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schmiddog
06-02-2007, 12:51 PM
Said in this article, in comparing Hester and his switch to WR to Derrick Mason, that he did not have world class speed.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=reese_floyd&id=2885758

I'm at a loss for an explanation. Hester runs a sub 4.3 and looks every bit that fast on the field. His ability to explode through a tight crease is second to none.

zoinks
06-02-2007, 12:59 PM
Hester obviously has elite speed, but where does this "sub-4.3" stuff come from?

Combine Results
Combine Invite? Yes
Height: 5'10"
Weight: 190
40 Yrd Dash: 4.41
20 Yrd Dash: 2.59
10 Yrd Dash: 1.54
225 Lb. Bench Reps: 16
Vertical Jump: 38
Broad Jump: 10'4"

Pro Day Results
Dates: 03/04/06
Height: 5'10"
Weight: 190
40 Yrd Dash: 4.35
20 Yrd Shuttle: 4.20
3-Cone Drill: 6.78

remix 6
06-02-2007, 02:45 PM
he ran a 4.27 at pro day..

jbeans187
06-02-2007, 09:55 PM
i thought he ran 4.5's at the combine, and later said he was nervous, then had a great pro day

Ho0k Em'
06-02-2007, 09:59 PM
yea, i remember dg saying a few times he ran a 4.27 at his proday.

bearsfan_51
06-02-2007, 10:02 PM
That's weird cause Reese wanted to drafted Hester at 37 (or something like that) and was talked out of it by Jeff Fisher who wanted to take Lendale White. He never fails to mention that when either Hester or White's name is brought up.

SFbear
06-02-2007, 10:08 PM
He never fails to mention that when either Hester or White's name is brought up.

Yeah in this article especially:


If it sounds like I am a Hester fan, it is because I am. Following the Vince oung selection in the 2006 NFL draft, we traded down to the No. 45 slot in the second round to draft Hester. I had his draft card in my hand and had him on the phone.

A last-second plea by the coaches stopped the selection. Not once in my career had I ever taken a name off the board on draft day and not made the selection. Four issues affected my decision:

1. The confidence of the coaches in LenDale White.
2. The need for a young running back.
3. I could not decide with certainty where to play Hester.
4. We had a Pro Bowl-caliber returner in Pacman Jones.


Hmm. He sounds defensive.

BlindSite
06-02-2007, 10:34 PM
Hester is like Steve Smith, he's no where near the fastest runner in a straight line and probably not even top 10.

Its Smith's lateral movement which is faster than anyone else in the league that makes him special. No one can keep pace with him when he's moving laterally or accelerating.

Hester is the same type of speed, where he's ridiculously quick, but not rediculously fast.

JT Jag
06-02-2007, 10:47 PM
Hester is like Steve Smith, he's no where near the fastest runner in a straight line and probably not even top 10.

Its Smith's lateral movement which is faster than anyone else in the league that makes him special. No one can keep pace with him when he's moving laterally or accelerating.

Hester is the same type of speed, where he's ridiculously quick, but not rediculously fast.Yep.

Marvin Harrison has it too. But he makes it look a LOT easier then Smith and Hester do. They make multiple cuts and then lose the guy. Then they turn on the afterburners and the guys won't catch up.

Meanwhile, Harrison goes vertical, makes one deceptive double-move and makes the corner look like a damn fool, and doesn't HAVE to turn on the afterburners.

draftguru151
06-02-2007, 10:50 PM
Hester is like Steve Smith, he's no where near the fastest runner in a straight line and probably not even top 10.

Its Smith's lateral movement which is faster than anyone else in the league that makes him special. No one can keep pace with him when he's moving laterally or accelerating.

Hester is the same type of speed, where he's ridiculously quick, but not rediculously fast.

Except for the fact that Hester is also ridiculously fast in a line, as well as laterally.

21ST
06-02-2007, 11:26 PM
Hester is like Steve Smith, he's no where near the fastest runner in a straight line and probably not even top 10.

Its Smith's lateral movement which is faster than anyone else in the league that makes him special. No one can keep pace with him when he's moving laterally or accelerating.

Hester is the same type of speed, where he's ridiculously quick, but not rediculously fast.

well that is just straight up stupid

hester is very fast in a straight line and laterally and it would be hard for me to think of 5 people that could beat hester in a foot race.

"next man speed"-Deion Sanders

BlindSite
06-02-2007, 11:33 PM
well that is just straight up stupid

hester is very fast in a straight line and laterally and it would be hard for me to think of 5 people that could beat hester in a foot race.

"next man speed"-Deion Sanders

Fabian Washington, Michael Vick, DeAngelo hall, Allen Rossum, Reggie Bush. That's 5.

VoteLynnSwan
06-03-2007, 01:03 AM
Vick isn't faster than Devin Hester.

BlindSite
06-03-2007, 01:21 AM
Vick has been recorded as running a 4.25 Last I checked 4.25 was lower than 4.27 therefore faster...

elway777
06-03-2007, 01:34 AM
The 40 yard dash has to do with technique too. It's not all speed.

kmartin575
06-03-2007, 01:41 AM
Michael Bennett was faster than Hester coming out of college. Not sure how fast he is now though.

schmiddog
06-03-2007, 02:06 AM
Either way, Reese was essentially equating Hester's speed with Mason's. Mason, in his prime, probably was in the high 4.48-4.52 range. He was an effective return man and receiver because he had a quick burst, was shifty and good at finding space to operate in. Hester is shifty too, but his top gear is much, much better.

nobodyinparticular
06-03-2007, 02:14 AM
Fabian Washington, Michael Vick, DeAngelo hall, Allen Rossum, Reggie Bush. That's 5.

Jerome Mathis.

BlindSite
06-03-2007, 02:24 AM
The 40 yard dash has to do with technique too. It's not all speed.

Aint that the truth, a few former track coaches have made millions training footballers to run better over 40 yards.

Paranoidmoonduck
06-03-2007, 02:28 AM
Maybe some Miami fans can correct me, but wasn't Hester pretty much terrible at wideout for the Hurricanes? I know he wasn't at the position for long, but I heard some pretty bad things about him after making the switch from defense.

I don't know, I'd be surprised if he ever has more offensive impact than Dante Hall ever had.

BlindSite
06-03-2007, 02:38 AM
He was pretty useless, he could possibly convert but it would take a godlike coach and if Chicago's other WRs are any indication they're not exactly the best coaches in that area.

d34ng3l021
06-03-2007, 02:49 AM
Vick has been recorded as running a 4.25 Last I checked 4.25 was lower than 4.27 therefore faster...

The 4.25 was at Virginia Tech. Add maybe .10 to it or more, and you would get a legit time.

Dam8610
06-03-2007, 04:25 AM
I don't know, I'd be surprised if he ever has more offensive impact than Daunte Hall ever had.

You must be absolutely stunned right now then. Hester's 2006 was superior to any season Dante Hall put together.

BlindSite
06-03-2007, 04:33 AM
Actually he was referring to receiving...

Paranoidmoonduck
06-03-2007, 04:50 AM
You must be absolutely stunned right now then. Hester's 2006 was superior to any season Dante Hall put together.

Offensive impact.

SFbear
06-03-2007, 04:50 AM
He was pretty useless, he could possibly convert but it would take a godlike coach and if Chicago's other WRs are any indication they're not exactly the best coaches in that area.

Injuries have been a much bigger problem for our WR's then coaching. That and inconsistency at the QB position. When our younger talent like Bradley and Berrian have been able to make it on the field they usually light it up. Id also attribute Moose to helping some of the youngins develop.

Also Hester has looked good in training camp from what I have heard. He's shown amazing hands and has taken a couple to the house against our D. Take it for what it is worth.

fenikz
06-03-2007, 04:53 AM
pfff receiving is for pussies, Boldin only catches the ball so he can legally run people over


go hester

OzTitan
06-03-2007, 07:39 AM
While I know I risk coming off as fanboy hating Reese because he's no longer the Titans GM, is it just me or is the underlying theme of every article he writes a sales pitch for team owners next offseason for his GM services?

Is anyone else keeping up with his writings? I think just about everything so far has referred to the Titans and usually recent picks that haven't worked out so great yet, which he then subtly passes the blame on for or offers a more positive point of view than you'd expect - such as the Schobel, Odom and LaBoy picks a few years ago, which he considered successful because the combined production between the three is roughly on par with the production you'd expect from one highly picked DE.

draftguru151
06-03-2007, 08:11 AM
When Hester was on offense he never really lined up much at WR. Most of the time he was at RB or FB and got a pitch or a swing pass out of the backfield. Something to get him in open space. I really think if the Bears would have stayed with it he could have developed into a good CB or even FS. He had 5 ints in spot duty on defense as a sophomore. He had a lot of injuries his junior year and played both offense and defense as well as every special team. He'll make some good plays here and there on offense, but I think it would have been much smarter to let him develop at CB.

As for the speed, Mike Vick? Really? Because he ran at Virginia Tech aka the fastest track in America?

Addict
06-03-2007, 08:37 AM
one thing I wonder, as you see in Madden now, is that every year there's a number of guys who run 4.23 40-s for the draft (in franchise mode) right now that gives them 99 speed. If Hester is given 100, is it possible to actually draft guys with 100 speed as well, or can they make it so that only Hester gets that amount? That'd be sick though, a team full of 100 speed guys... SICK

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
06-03-2007, 11:07 AM
When Hester was on offense he never really lined up much at WR. Most of the time he was at RB or FB and got a pitch or a swing pass out of the backfield. Something to get him in open space. I really think if the Bears would have stayed with it he could have developed into a good CB or even FS. He had 5 ints in spot duty on defense as a sophomore. He had a lot of injuries his junior year and played both offense and defense as well as every special team. He'll make some good plays here and there on offense, but I think it would have been much smarter to let him develop at CB.

As for the speed, Mike Vick? Really? Because he ran at Virginia Tech aka the fastest track in America?

Little known fact, I ran a 4.5 at Virginia Tech.

remix 6
06-03-2007, 11:26 AM
Hester is actually very fast straight line..not the fastest in league but hes up there. Hes also 1 of the quickest players in NFL. and he has very good vision.

Damix
06-03-2007, 12:06 PM
Jerome Mathis.

Yamon Figurs

TACKLE
06-03-2007, 12:11 PM
Hester's best attribute isn't his speed, it's his vision and ability to set up blocks. That's what seperates him from other returners. Just because your fast in the 40 doesn't necessarily mean that you are going to be at great and returning kicks.

ShutDwn
06-03-2007, 12:46 PM
Receiver takes a different skill set, you have to be more determined and a smart player. It isn't just a read and react position. Some can do both, others can't, like Hall.

J52
06-03-2007, 02:00 PM
Devin Hester runs about a 4.4 flat. He isn't top class straight away speed. He is all explosiveness. All those times you see him blowing past defenders is because they underestimate how fast his first few steps are.

He makes a cut, the defender tries to react, he accelerates to full speed and all the sudden it looks like he is running a 3.9 40. But in reality, he is running a 4.4 while the defenders are pivoting and just starting to run after him. Watch any of his highlight tapes, that is exactly what happens.

Madden giving him a 100 is a joke, goes to show how little they understand about football.

remix 6
06-03-2007, 02:03 PM
Devin Hester runs about a 4.4 flat. He isn't top class straight away speed. He is all explosiveness. All those times you see him blowing past defenders is because they underestimate how fast his first few steps are.

He makes a cut, the defender tries to react, he accelerates to full speed and all the sudden it looks like he is running a 3.9 40. But in reality, he is running a 4.4 while the defenders are pivoting and just starting to run after him. Watch any of his highlight tapes, that is exactly what happens.

Madden giving him a 100 is a joke, goes to show how little they understand about football.

you time him over and over? who are u to say he runs a 4.4 flat when thats not accurate

hes done between 4.27 and 4.51 and supposivly, he had new shoes he never wore and said he nearly cried after that time

Addict
06-03-2007, 02:16 PM
Hester's best attribute isn't his speed, it's his vision and ability to set up blocks. That's what seperates him from other returners. Just because your fast in the 40 doesn't necessarily mean that you are going to be at great and returning kicks.

yeah but you can't really implement that into Madden, or any game for that matter, where speed DOES make a big difference.

I guess that's why EA decided this was necessary.

stephenson86
06-03-2007, 03:15 PM
madden ftw lol

awfullyquiet
06-03-2007, 04:08 PM
Yamon Figurs

i knew that was going to come out sometime soon.

if he can line up in the backfield like trung candidate (yeah, blast from the past...) did (which is the key word in this line of thinking)... and line up like Reggie Bush does to Brees left or right... and catch a few passes here and there... he can move, juke, then outrun one person. and sometimes, with decent blocking, that's all he'll ever need. hester already can get YAC, it's a proven fact, tackling? he has a nose for angles and beating pursuit and setting up blocks on a bears return team and offense that blocks pretty well (muhammad and bradley both got enough physicality to set decent blocks). and on a screen pass i would be very scared.

21ST
06-03-2007, 04:20 PM
Fabian Washington, Michael Vick, DeAngelo hall, Allen Rossum, Reggie Bush. That's 5.

Fabian might be the only one that could be hester in the 100 on that list

BlindSite
06-03-2007, 05:16 PM
So? Prove it...

cunningham06
06-03-2007, 05:22 PM
Yamon Figurs

Ted Ginn as well.

BamaFalcon59
06-03-2007, 06:24 PM
Despite being fast, neither Bush nor Vick nor Rossum (now adays) are as fast as Hester.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
06-03-2007, 07:09 PM
Devin Hester runs about a 4.4 flat. He isn't top class straight away speed. He is all explosiveness. All those times you see him blowing past defenders is because they underestimate how fast his first few steps are.

He makes a cut, the defender tries to react, he accelerates to full speed and all the sudden it looks like he is running a 3.9 40. But in reality, he is running a 4.4 while the defenders are pivoting and just starting to run after him. Watch any of his highlight tapes, that is exactly what happens.

Madden giving him a 100 is a joke, goes to show how little they understand about football.

I agree, for the most part. I think his speed is very fast, but not tops in the league. What makes him faster on the field than anyone in the league is his acceleration. He catches the ball and then by his second step, he's going full speed. I think his real speed is somewhere in the 4.35 range.

doingthisinsteadofwork
06-03-2007, 07:14 PM
If it sounds like I am a Hester fan, it is because I am. Following the Vince oung selection in the 2006 NFL draft, we traded down to the No. 45 slot in the second round to draft Hester. I had his draft card in my hand and had him on the phone.

A last-second plea by the coaches stopped the selection. Not once in my career had I ever taken a name off the board on draft day and not made the selection. Four issues affected my decision:

1. The confidence of the coaches in LenDale White.
2. The need for a young running back.
3. I could not decide with certainty where to play Hester.
4. We had a Pro Bowl-caliber returner in Pacman Jones.
it sure has paid off for him.

21ST
06-03-2007, 07:15 PM
So? Prove it...

ok, we are gonna call them up and have them race and all u gotta do is fund it, i can take care of the rest

doingthisinsteadofwork
06-03-2007, 07:24 PM
Id have to say Fabian and Hester are neck and neck in terms of speed.Id say Fabian is a bit faster.

SuperKevin
06-03-2007, 08:14 PM
The entire Raiders CB rotation is blazing fast. Fabian Washington, Stanford Routt, and John Bowie are all track stars

jared
06-03-2007, 11:51 PM
Devin Hester runs about a 4.4 flat. He isn't top class straight away speed. He is all explosiveness. All those times you see him blowing past defenders is because they underestimate how fast his first few steps are.

He makes a cut, the defender tries to react, he accelerates to full speed and all the sudden it looks like he is running a 3.9 40. But in reality, he is running a 4.4 while the defenders are pivoting and just starting to run after him. Watch any of his highlight tapes, that is exactly what happens.

Madden giving him a 100 is a joke, goes to show how little they understand about football.
Agree 100%. I wouldn't put him in the top ten for straight line speed. Matt Giordano very nearly stopped his super bowl TD, coming from behind and from the other side of the field.

Paranoidmoonduck
06-03-2007, 11:54 PM
Why must we argue about which two (or three or four) players would win in a race? It's all hearsay, and considering we are all talking about players who run in the 4.3's, they would finish incredibly close.

bearsfan_51
06-03-2007, 11:59 PM
He was pretty useless, he could possibly convert but it would take a godlike coach and if Chicago's other WRs are any indication they're not exactly the best coaches in that area.
That's funny....the Panthers have developed Steve Smith and......how bout that Kerry Colbert?

zoinks
06-04-2007, 12:09 AM
I can't believe we're three pages into this thread, and nobody has mentioned the difference between timed speed and game speed.

BlindSite
06-04-2007, 07:17 AM
That's funny....the Panthers have developed Steve Smith and......how bout that Kerry Colbert?

How bout that spelling..

How about Well, I think I'll take Steve Smith, Mushin Muhummad, Drew Carter, DeShaun Foster and DeAngelo williams over one receiver who went downhill after a good rookie year.

That's one compared to about 5 players who're all good receivers.

Gribble
06-04-2007, 09:28 AM
The entire Raiders CB rotation is blazing fast. Fabian Washington, Stanford Routt, and John Bowie are all track stars

What about Asomugha? Isn't he kinda important?

bearsfan_51
06-04-2007, 04:30 PM
How bout that spelling..

How about Well, I think I'll take Steve Smith, Mushin Muhummad, Drew Carter, DeShaun Foster and DeAngelo williams over one receiver who went downhill after a good rookie year.

That's one compared to about 5 players who're all good receivers.
DeShaun Foster and DeAngelo Williams are receivers?

Muhsin Muhammad (der der..how bout that spelling..******* jackass) was drafted when? 1996? The current staff developed him how?

Drew Carter? That is your argument for them developing recievers? You're joking right? What has Drew Carter done that Rashied Davis or Mark Bradley hasn't?

J52
06-04-2007, 04:42 PM
you time him over and over? who are u to say he runs a 4.4 flat when thats not accurate

hes done between 4.27 and 4.51 and supposivly, he had new shoes he never wore and said he nearly cried after that time

I'm a die hard canes fan, I live 5 minutes from his where he grew up, I went to the same camps as him, watched him run the 40 in person numerous times, I watched him play in person 20+ times, talked to him a few times, watched almost every time he has touched the ball the past 4 years. I know his game pretty damned well.

Paranoidmoonduck
06-04-2007, 04:43 PM
What about Asomugha? Isn't he kinda important?

He ran a 4.45 at the combine, so he's not on the same level, but I think being 6-2 and 213 is a decent enough excuse.

BlindSite
06-04-2007, 05:15 PM
DeShaun Foster and DeAngelo Williams are receivers?

Muhsin Muhammad (der der..how bout that spelling..******* jackass) was drafted when? 1996? The current staff developed him how?

Drew Carter? That is your argument for them developing recievers? You're joking right? What has Drew Carter done that Rashied Davis or Mark Bradley hasn't?

When did Muhsin have his best year? In 2004, under which staff? The current one.

Look at Steve Smith, and Drew Carter was drafted in the 6th round.

Rashied Davis has caught 2 NFL passes, Drew Carter has been a game breaker in the slot for the Panthers in the past. In his first year as a full time third receiver he's had better production than those two, so that's how they're different.

My argument for Developing receivers is that we haven't, the ones we have Steve Smith and Drew Carter have turned out fine, Colbert is difficult to say because in his rookie year he did well, but has been heading for bust town ever since after spending one year injured and the next buried on the depth chart. This year is his make or break.

Hurricane Ditka
06-04-2007, 05:20 PM
2006 Stats

Drew Carter

28 357 12.8 42 3 5 1 14

Rashied Davis

22 303 13.8 3 1 2 6 0 16

6 more catches, 55 more yards, less YPC, and 1 less touchdown.