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hornybastard
06-03-2007, 02:46 AM
This is a Draft using every single player that has ever stepped onto the a Major League Player also note 1 hour max limit. If time limit goes over that you will have to make it up. We will have 14 Rounds (8 position players, 5 pitchers and 1 extra player bench or another pitcher doesnt matter)as soon as we have 6-12 users! So try and create your All-Time team for just a one Season shot! I'm a homer and will be the Seattle Mariners!

Round 1
hornybastard Seattle Mariners Babe Ruth OF

Chucky Blue Jays Ted Williams OF

22,895 Los Angeles Dodgers Hank Aaron OF

J E T S JETS New York Mets Walter Johnson P

ncst8fan83 Chicago Cubs Sandy Koufax P

Round 2
ncst8fan83 Nolan Ryan P

J E T S JETS Lou Gehrig 1B

22,895 Cy Young P

Chucky Ty Cobb OF

hornybastard Barry Bonds OF

3rd Round
hornybastard Stan Musial OF

Chucky Left Grove P

22,895 Rogers Hornsby 2B

J E T S JETS Honus Wagner SS

ncst8fan83 Joe DiMaggio OF

4th Round
ncst8fan83 Cal Ripken Jr SS

J E T S JETS Oscar Charleston CF

22,895 Jimmy Foxx 1B

Chucky Roger Clemens P

hornybastard Mike Schmidt 3B

5th Round
hornybastard Mike Piazza C

Chucky Willie Mays OF

22,895 Warren Spahn P

J E T S JETS Greg Maddux P

ncst8fan83 Tom Seaver P

6th Round
ncst8fan83 Bob Gibson P

J E T S JETS Christy Mathewson P

22,895 Grover Alexander P

Chucky Satchel Paige P

hornybastard Phil Niekro P

7th Round
hornybastard Gaylord Perry P

Chucky Pete Rose DH

22,895 Frank Robinson OF

J E T S JETS Randy Johnson P

ncst8fan83 Harmon Killebrew 1B

8th Round
ncst8fan83 Wade Boggs 3B

J E T S JETS Micky Mantle OF

22,895 Roberto Clemente OF

Chucky Steve Carlton P

hornybastard Ryne Sandberg 2B

9th Round
hornybastard Ernie Banks 1B

Chucky Hank Greenberg 1B

22,895 George Brett 3B

J E T S JETS Johnny Bench C

ncst8fan83 Yogi Berra C

10th Round
ncst8fan83 Rod Carew 2B

J E T S JETS Manny Ramirez LF

22,895 Jim Palmer P

Chucky Josh Gibson C

hornybastard Eddie Plank P

11th Round
hornybastard Trevor Hoffman CL

Chucky Alex Rodriguez SS

22,895 Bill Dickey C

J E T S JETS Hoyt Wil

ncst8fan83 Rickey Henderson OF

12th Round
ncst8fan83 Carl Yastrzemski OF

J E T S JETS Jackie Robinson 2B

22,895 Maury Wills SS

Chucky Bob Feller P

hornybastard Ken Griffey Jr. OF

13th Round
hornybastard Fergie Jenkins P

Chucky Mo. Rivera CL

22,895 Eric Gagne CL

J E T S JETS Eddie Matthews 3B

ncst8fan83 Eddie Murrey

14th Round
ncst8fan83 Dennis Eck

J E T S JETS Pedro Martinez P

22,895 Reggie Jackson DH

Chucky Brooks Robinson 3B

hornybastard Luis Apercio SS

Chucky
06-03-2007, 09:26 AM
Im in and i will be the Jays

22,895
06-03-2007, 08:21 PM
I'll be in. Los Angeles Dodgers

J E T S JETS
06-03-2007, 09:31 PM
I'll be the Mets

ncst8fan83
06-03-2007, 09:59 PM
I'm in. I'll be the Cubs.

adschofield
06-03-2007, 10:31 PM
I'm in. I'll be the Royals

hornybastard
06-04-2007, 03:29 PM
Chucky is On The Clock.

ncst8fan83
06-04-2007, 04:15 PM
snake draft i assume?

Chucky
06-04-2007, 07:11 PM
Ill take Ted Williams, probably the best pure hitter of all time

J E T S JETS
06-04-2007, 07:13 PM
snake draft i assume?
It better be.

Are Negro League players eligible?

22,895
06-04-2007, 07:22 PM
Hank Aaron 1st in HRs 1st in RBIs 3rd in hits and 10th in Doubles.

hornybastard
06-04-2007, 07:23 PM
It better be.

Are Negro League players eligible?

Yes it is a snake draft

and yes Negro Players are eligible.

adschofield
06-04-2007, 07:32 PM
sorry guys...I'll have to drop out of this one

J E T S JETS
06-04-2007, 08:28 PM
The greatest SP of all-time, SP Walter Johnson

Threw a 97 MPH fastball in an era where the next highest was 85.

From the Baseball HOF: There were no sophisticated measuring devices in the early 1900s, but Walter Johnson's fastball was considered to be in a class by itself. Using a sweeping sidearm delivery, the "Big Train" fanned 3,508 over a brilliant 21-year career with the Washington Senators, and his 110 shutouts are more than any pitcher. Despite hurling for losing teams most of his career, he won 417 games - second only to Cy Young on the all-time list - and enjoyed 10 successive seasons of 20 or more victories.

ncst8fan83
06-04-2007, 11:10 PM
Sandy Koufax, LHP

Nolan Ryan, RHP

J E T S JETS
06-05-2007, 06:07 AM
I select the greatest 1B of all-time

1B Lou Gehrig


Hate the Ryan pick btw... he really wasn't that great of a pitcher and was only great at getting the K. He's the 20th-30th best pitcher on many expert's boards, as well as mine.

ncst8fan83
06-05-2007, 07:59 AM
good thing i don't care then, huh?

22,895
06-05-2007, 12:27 PM
I'll take Cy Young

hornybastard
06-05-2007, 02:48 PM
Alright the time limit is up. Chucky you will have to make up your pick.

My two picks.

Barry Bonds OF
Stan Musial OF

OTC Chucky

Chucky
06-05-2007, 04:31 PM
Ill take Ty Cobb, and Lefty Grove

22,895
06-05-2007, 08:46 PM
Rogers Hornsby 2B.

J E T S JETS
06-05-2007, 09:00 PM
SS Honus Wagner - I now have Gehrig, Wagner, and Johnson who are the 3 and only 3 undisputed best players at their positions in MLB history.

ncst8fan83
06-05-2007, 09:33 PM
Joe DiMaggio, RH, CF

and

Cal Ripken Jr, RH, SS

J E T S JETS
06-06-2007, 01:54 PM
The Ty Cobb of the Negro Leagues, CF Oscar Charleston

http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/hofers_and_honorees/plaques/images/Charleston_Oscar.jpg

22,895
06-06-2007, 03:13 PM
Jimmie Foxx 1B

hornybastard
06-06-2007, 11:19 PM
Chucky it's been 8 hours so I'll just pick my two players.

Mike Schmidt 3B


Mike Piazza C

Chucky
06-07-2007, 06:55 AM
Ill take Roger Clemens SP

and

Willie Mays OF

I now have the best OF with Cobb, williams and WIllie

22,895
06-07-2007, 01:53 PM
Warren Spahn P.

J E T S JETS
06-07-2007, 04:20 PM
Give me SP Greg Maddux (best pitcher of our era, even better then Clemens and another undrafted pitcher).

Just a few experts to help me back up this argument

http://www.thebaseballpage.com/more.php?id=333_0_1_0_M

http://www.thebaseballpage.com/columns/holmes/040803.htm

Chucky
06-07-2007, 04:34 PM
Give me SP Greg Maddux (best pitcher of our era, even better then Clemens and another undrafted pitcher).

Just a few experts to help me back up this argument

http://www.thebaseballpage.com/more.php?id=333_0_1_0_M

http://www.thebaseballpage.com/columns/holmes/040803.htm


No way is Greg Maddux better than Roger Clemens, i dont care what any socalled expert says. Clemens has a record number of Cy youngs, and succeeds wherever he goes

ncst8fan83
06-07-2007, 06:03 PM
I'll take...

Tom Seaver, SP

and

Bob Gibson, SP


And with that, the greatest 4 man pitching rotation in the history of recorded ever.

J E T S JETS
06-07-2007, 07:09 PM
No way is Greg Maddux better than Roger Clemens, i dont care what any socalled expert says. Clemens has a record number of Cy youngs, and succeeds wherever he goes
Maddux had better pitchers in his league (Johnson, Glavine, Pedro et al), while who exactly did Clemens have until Pedro came around in 1998? Bret Saberhagen? Maddux was more consistent, had a much higher quality start %, and who really cares if he doesn't get the K's? Saves pitches.

J E T S JETS
06-07-2007, 07:12 PM
I select Christy Mathewson

http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/hofers_and_honorees/plaques/images/Mathewson_Christy.jpg

I could debate that Johnson, Maddux, Mathewson, and my next pitcher could beat Koufax, Seaver, Ryan, Gibson... especially with Nolan Ryan, the king of 150+ walks a year

22,895
06-07-2007, 07:28 PM
Grover Alexander P

hornybastard
06-08-2007, 02:59 PM
Chucky is skipped

my picks

Phil Niekro P

Gaylord Perry P

Chucky's clock is back on.

Chucky
06-08-2007, 04:15 PM
I select

Satchel Paige SP

and the steal of the draft so far

Pete Rose as my DH

22,895
06-08-2007, 04:52 PM
Frank Robinson OF

J E T S JETS
06-08-2007, 09:20 PM
I will select the best lefty starting pitcher left, Randy Johnson

http://z.about.com/d/tvcomedies/1/0/t/0/-/-/randy_johnson.jpg

1. Walter Johnson (R)
2. Christy Mathewson (R)
3. Greg Maddux (R)
4. Randy Johnson (L)

I love the balance of this rotation. Two fireballers in the Johnsons complimenting two softer pitchers with better stuff will piss off opposing offenses during a 3 or 4 game series.

ncst8fan83
06-08-2007, 09:48 PM
Harmon Killebrew, 1b

and

Wade Boggs, 3b

J E T S JETS
06-08-2007, 10:13 PM
I will select CF Mickey Mantle

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/PHOTOFILE/AABB017~Mickey-Mantle-Photofile-Posters.jpg

Charleston has a strong enough arm to move to left.

Chucky
06-08-2007, 11:08 PM
I select Steve Carlton, probably the second best lefty in history

22,895
06-09-2007, 02:52 AM
Joe DiMaggio OF.

hornybastard
06-09-2007, 02:57 AM
Ryne Sandberg 2B

Ernie Banks 1B

All I need is a SS and my outfield and infield will be set and I know you guys won't pick the SS I want.

22,895
06-09-2007, 03:04 AM
P: Cy Young
Warren Spahn
Grover Alexander
Jim Palmer

C:
1B: Jimmie Foxx
2B: Rogers Hornsby
SS:
3B: George Brett
OF: Hank Aaron
Roberto Clemente
Frank Robinson

J E T S JETS
06-09-2007, 07:58 AM
I select Steve Carlton, probably the second best lefty in history
What exactly does he have on Randy Johnson? Lower W%, much worse ERA+ (137 to 115), more Cy Youngs and a much lower K per 9 IP ratio. Oh yea, and Johnson did some thing called a perfect game that Carlton never accomplished. The only thing I see Carlton better then Johnson at was CG %, but that was due to the era where everyone went the distance in about 30% or more of their games, while Johnson (who's at 18%) is greatly above average for his era.

Ewing
06-09-2007, 08:01 AM
Piazza went before Mays, Bench, Frank Robinson, Killebrew, Mantle, and DiMaggio!? How high on drugs do you have to be to think Piazza is better than those guys?

J E T S JETS
06-09-2007, 08:08 AM
^Only takes one guy.

Ewing
06-09-2007, 08:13 AM
I know it only takes one guy and I would like to know from that guy what the hell is taking.

ncst8fan83
06-09-2007, 10:07 AM
wow, there were two joe dimaggio's? i never knew that.

J E T S JETS
06-09-2007, 11:44 AM
Ah, that's right... Dimaggio was taken in round 3.

Chucky
06-09-2007, 11:55 AM
Ill take Hamerrin Hank Greenberg, who would have passed Babe Ruth as the Single Season Home Run King, except he was Jewish, so he didnt get any good pitches. One of the best sluggers of all time

My Team:
My Team

OF: Ted WIlliams
OF: Willie Mays
OF: Ty Cobb
1B: Hank Greenberg
2B: Pete Rose

Rotation

Sp: Lefty Grove
SP: Roger Clemens
SP: Satchel Paige
SP: Steve Carlton

22,895
06-09-2007, 01:42 PM
Oh s--- my bad replace Joe D with

Roberto Clemente OF.

22,895
06-09-2007, 01:47 PM
Then my 9th Round Pick.

I'll take George Brett 3B.

hornybastard
06-09-2007, 01:53 PM
Piazza went before Mays, Bench, Frank Robinson, Killebrew, Mantle, and DiMaggio!? How high on drugs do you have to be to think Piazza is better than those guys?

It's not that big of a strech I took him in the 5th round. No big deal. Nice Sig by the way go Mariners.

Also, Nolan Ryan was taken in the Second Round pick 6. Now that is something you can critize. Ryan is easily the most overrated pitcher of All-Time. You can also talk about Oscar Charleston being taken that high. I don't thin k anybody would have taken him.

My team I would have to say is pretty good. I have the best Outfield. I've got one of the best 3B of All-Time if not the best. My pitching staff right now is good and theres a couple that are still out there. Overall I've got a solid team that can match up with anybody.

22,895
06-09-2007, 02:08 PM
Who's gonna sit out when we have our playoffs? We only have 5 teams since somebody left. so somebody auto. is gonna advance. Who's advancing?

hornybastard
06-09-2007, 02:14 PM
I was gonna pull a name out of a hat to determine who's playing who and who's advancing to the 2nd round.

Chucky
06-09-2007, 03:00 PM
It's not that big of a strech I took him in the 5th round. No big deal. Nice Sig by the way go Mariners.

Also, Nolan Ryan was taken in the Second Round pick 6. Now that is something you can critize. Ryan is easily the most overrated pitcher of All-Time. You can also talk about Oscar Charleston being taken that high. I don't thin k anybody would have taken him.

My team I would have to say is pretty good. I have the best Outfield.

You do not have the best OF, while it is very close mine is superior

Mays/ TEd Williams/ Cobb > Bonds/ Babe/ Musial

plus i have Pete Rose to fill in when needed

Ewing
06-09-2007, 04:57 PM
It's not that big of a strech I took him in the 5th round. No big deal. Nice Sig by the way go Mariners.

Also, Nolan Ryan was taken in the Second Round pick 6. Now that is something you can critize. Ryan is easily the most overrated pitcher of All-Time. You can also talk about Oscar Charleston being taken that high. I don't thin k anybody would have taken him.

My team I would have to say is pretty good. I have the best Outfield. I've got one of the best 3B of All-Time if not the best. My pitching staff right now is good and theres a couple that are still out there. Overall I've got a solid team that can match up with anybody.

No, I can criticize you for taking a catcher who can't field for **** ahead of arguably the best player of all-time not named Ruth in Willie Mays. That is like taking John Stockton ahead of Wilt Chamberlian. No, it's even worse than that. I can't even begin to think what went through your head when you thought Piazza was better than Mays, Mantle, Killebrew, Frank, Bench, and DiMaggio. Do you even know about guys who played before their was color footage?

J E T S JETS
06-09-2007, 07:13 PM
I'd now like to take the best overall catcher of all-time, as he's arguably the best defensive catcher of all-time, a top 5 offensive talent with 2 MVP's to show it, and a steal this late in the draft.

C Johnny Bench

1. SS Honus Wagner (R)
2. CF Oscar Charleston (L)
3. LF Mickey Mantle (S)
4. 1B Lou Gehrig (L)
5. C Johnny Bench (R)
6.
7.
8.
9.

1. Walter Johnson (R)
2. Greg Maddux (R)
3. Christy Mathewson (R)
4. Randy Johnson (L)

J E T S JETS
06-09-2007, 07:19 PM
You can also talk about Oscar Charleston being taken that high. I don't thin k anybody would have taken him.
Excuse me? You don't know your baseball.

I've seen Charleston drop to 8th or 9th overall in drafts like these and be considered a steal... he's the best Negro Leaguer of all-time. Almost all historians believe he had 500 HR's and SB's in his career. To go with all the hitting, he had a grade love and amazing range in CF.

Charleston excelled in exhibition play against all-white major league teams, batting .318 with 11 home runs in 53 games. Contemporary observers compared his play to that of Tris Speaker and Babe Ruth. Baseball historians generally consider him one of the greatest players in history.

For a player of his size with his tremendous power, Charleston was also a skilled base runner and a threat to steal bases. Writers dubbed Charleston as “The Black Ty Cobb.” Those who played with him insist that Charleston was far superior defensively than Cobb and possessed far more power than the Georgia Peach.

A multi-talented star, Oscar Charleston was renowned by those who saw him play as the finest all-around player in Negro leagues history. A barrel-chested, left-handed hitter, the fiery Charleston hit for both average and power while revolutionizing defensive play in center field. His blazing speed, aggressiveness on the base paths and focused intensity led many to compare him to Ty Cobb. In 60 league games in 1921, he batted .434 while leading the Negro National League in doubles, triples, home runs and stolen bases.

Bill James - the most renowned baseball historian today - ranks Charleston as the 4th best player of all-time! A reach? More like a steal.

Chucky
06-09-2007, 07:21 PM
Excuse me? You don't know your baseball.

I've seen Charleston drop to 8th or 9th overall in drafts like these and be considered a steal... he's the best Negro Leaguer of all-time. Almost all historians believe he had 500 HR's and SB's in his career. To go with all the hitting, he had a grade love and amazing range in CF.



Bill James - the most renowned baseball historian today - ranks Charleston as the 4th best player of all-time! A reach? More like a steal.

Ya but i mean he shouldnt have gone before the Say Hey Kid

J E T S JETS
06-09-2007, 07:33 PM
Ya but i mean he shouldnt have gone before the Say Hey Kid
Come to think of it, you're right. But there is not a single other player on the board at that time that'd I'd rather have then Charleston.

Ewing
06-09-2007, 08:19 PM
With all respect to Chucky and other guys who are having great drafts I'm probably going to end up voting for J E T S JETS as the winner based on his tremendous picks so far. It's nice to see someone else on here who is a bigtime baseball buff and knows his ****.

Chucky
06-09-2007, 08:25 PM
With all respect to Chucky and other guys who are having great drafts I'm probably going to end up voting for J E T S JETS as the winner based on his tremendous picks so far. It's nice to see someone else on here who is a bigtime baseball buff and knows his ****.

I guess but you should only vote for him if you think his team is the best, he has made some questionable picks though, such as Greg Maddux. Plus i believe that i got screwed with the worst pick (#2), as their is no clearcut 2nd best player ever.

Ewing
06-09-2007, 08:47 PM
How was Maddus a questionable pick? He had a stretch of sixteen straight seasons where is ERA never went above 3.96. Within that span he had six out of seven years where it never went above 2.50. He lead the majors in ERA four times, WHIP four times, and Innings three times. He finished in the top five in ERA ten times. He's the first pitcher ever to win four straight Cy Young awards and he has sixteen Gold Gloves which is tied for the most of any player ever. For his career he has 338 wins, 3210 strikeouts, and a 3.08 ERA. If that's questionable then so is every other pick by everyone else.

Chucky
06-09-2007, 08:55 PM
Ok but Maddux over Tom Seaver, or Satchel Paige, or steve carlton or bob gibson, that seems questionable to me

Ewing
06-09-2007, 09:18 PM
Ok but Maddux over Tom Seaver, or Satchel Paige, or steve carlton or bob gibson, that seems questionable to me

Seaver and Maddux are about equal in terms of talent but I'd give the nod to Maddux because of the four straight Cy Young's. It's rough to determine how good Paige really was. So much about him is mystery and it really sucks that we don't have official Negro League stats. I'm not denying Paige's talent but I'd give the nod to Maddux again only because we have the complete stats. If they actualy kept track of Negro League stats and we knew for a fact that he had those insane numbers I'd put him ahead of Maddux but we don't have that so I'll stick with Maddux. It's not questionable taking him over Carlton. As good as Gibson was he was only truly dominant for that one year. Granted, it was the best season any pitcher will ever have but that's really the only year he lead the majors in any stats.

ncst8fan83
06-09-2007, 10:41 PM
Yogi Berra, C

and

Rod Carew, 2b

ncst8fan83
06-10-2007, 10:51 AM
Just so you guys can see where everyone is at this point...

HB –
C – Mike Piazza
1B – Ernie Banks
2B – Ryne Sandberg
SS –
3B – Mike Schmidt
LF – Barry Bonds
CF – Stan Musial
RF – Babe Ruth
DH –

#1 SP – Phil Niekro
#2 SP – Gaylord Perry
#3 SP – Eddie Plank
#4 SP –
CLOSER – Trevor Hoffman

CHUCKY –
C – Josh Gibson
1B – Hank Greenberg
2B – Pete Rose
SS – Alex Rodriguez
3B –
LF – Ted Williams
CF – Willie Mays
RF – Ty Cobb
DH –

#1 SP – Left Grove
#2 SP – Roger Clemens
#3 SP – Satchel Paige
#4 SP – Steve Carlton
CLOSER –

22,895 –
C – Bill Dickey
1B – Jimmy Foxx
2B – Rogers Hornsby
SS –
3B – George Brett
LF – Frank Robinson
CF – Roberto Clemente
RF – Hank Aaron
DH –

#1 SP – Cy Young
#2 SP – Warren Spahn
#3 SP – Grover Alexander
#4 SP – Jim Palmer
CLOSER –

J E T S JETS –
C – Johnny Bench
1B – Lou Gehrig
2B –
SS – Honus Wagner
3B –
LF – Manny Ramirez
CF – Oscar Charleston
RF – Mickey Mantle
DH – (Manny Ramirez?)

#1 SP – Walter Johnson
#2 SP – Greg Maddox
#3 SP – Christy Mathewson
#4 SP – Randy Johnson
CLOSER –

NCST8FAN83 –
C – Yogi Berra
1B – Harmon Killebrew
2B – Rod Carew
SS – Cal Ripken, Jr.
3B – Wade Boggs
LF – Rickey Henderson
CF – Joe DiMaggio
RF – Carl Yastrzemski
DH –

#1 SP – Sandy Koufax
#2 SP – Nolan Ryan
#3 SP – Tom Seaver
#4 SP – Bob Gibson
CLOSER –

Chucky
06-10-2007, 10:53 AM
Just so you guys can see where everyone is at this point...


CHUCKY –
C –
1B – Hank Greenberg
2B – Pete Rose
SS –
3B –
LF – Ted Williams
CF – Willie Mays
RF – Ty Cobb
DH

#1 SP – Left Grove
#2 SP – Roger Clemens
#3 SP – Satchel Paige
#4 SP – Steve Carlton
CLOSER –


Thank you for doing this, just notice the change

ncst8fan83
06-10-2007, 11:36 AM
sorry, you had him as your DH so that's where I put him. i'll change it soon.

J E T S JETS
06-10-2007, 11:54 AM
One of the most dynamic, clutch, all-around best hitters of our era, and he'll play either LF or DH for me depending on how the rest of the draft falls

LF Manny Ramirez

J E T S JETS
06-10-2007, 11:55 AM
1. SS Honus Wagner (R)
2. CF Oscar Charleston (L)
3. LF Mickey Mantle (S)
4. 1B Lou Gehrig (L)
5. LF/DH Manny Ramirez (R)
6. C Johnny Bench (R)
7.
8.
9.

1. Walter Johnson (R)
2. Greg Maddux (R)
3. Christy Mathewson (R)
4. Randy Johnson (L)

CP

J E T S JETS
06-10-2007, 12:19 PM
Ok but Maddux over Tom Seaver, or Satchel Paige, or steve carlton or bob gibson, that seems questionable to me
Not at all.

Career ERA+

Maddux: 135
Seaver: 127
Paige: 124 in his MLB years
Carlton: 115
Gibson: 127

Maddux is arguably the most consistent and controlling pitcher of all-time, unlike these other guys you mentioned who will give you 2 great starts and then 1 terrible one, as well as a lot of walks. Did you know that Maddux was such an insane control pitcher that during 3 of his seasons he had more starts then walks? I've never even heard of another pitcher doing that in the 35 start era! Maddux is ranked the 3rd best SP of all-time by the baseball page (only behind Walter Johnson and Lefty Grove) so I'm obviously not the only one to be respecting Maddux's greatness. Strikeouts and scariness don't make a pitcher... low ERA, low WHIP, high quality start %, 17 straight seasons of 15+ wins do. Maddux is one of the best pitcher of our era.

Don't just say "taking Maddux over Seaver is questionable." Prove it.

Ewing
06-10-2007, 04:06 PM
One of the most dynamic, clutch, all-around best hitters of our era, and he'll play either LF or DH for me depending on how the rest of the draft falls

LF Manny Ramirez

If you draft a certain someone at DH I'll be your friend forever. Wanna take a guess who it is?

Chucky
06-10-2007, 04:11 PM
If you draft a certain someone at DH I'll be your friend forever. Wanna take a guess who it is?

WHy would he be picked in an all-time MLB draft. LOL. No offence but he actually shouldnt be picked, considering you can put non DH players at DH.

22,895
06-10-2007, 04:23 PM
Jim Palmer P.

Chucky
06-10-2007, 04:32 PM
I select the best catcher of all time Josh Gibson


http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/hofers_and_honorees/plaques/images/Gibson_Josh.jpg

Chucky
06-10-2007, 04:50 PM
While this pick may surprise some it makes perfect sense

A-Rod SS

22,895
06-10-2007, 04:56 PM
I've been debating on which one of the Greatest Catchers of All-Time I should go with as much as I would like to be biased and get Campy I'm gonna have to go with the best

Bill Dickey C

hornybastard
06-10-2007, 05:00 PM
Man JETS isn't here. That sucks I was hoping of finishing it tonight and everybody is here right now except for JETS.

ncst8fan83
06-10-2007, 05:09 PM
i could go ahead and pick since i'm going for the outfield. :)

hornybastard
06-10-2007, 05:14 PM
Give him about 45 minutes.

hornybastard
06-10-2007, 06:01 PM
You can pick now.

ncst8fan83
06-10-2007, 06:08 PM
Rickey Henderson, LF

and

Carl Yastrzemski, RF

Ewing
06-10-2007, 06:58 PM
While this pick may surprise some it makes perfect sense

A-Rod SS

At least one Mariner got picked even if he is a gready backstabbing piece of ****.

22,895
06-10-2007, 07:22 PM
Maury Wills SS. Good hitter and when he gets on he's stealing second and third.

hornybastard
06-10-2007, 07:24 PM
At least one Mariner got picked even if he is a gready backstabbing piece of ****.

Oh don't worry I'm going to get a Mariner. I got to represent Seattle. Love Seattle sports baby!

Chucky
06-10-2007, 07:27 PM
Im gonna take Bob Feller SP to round out my rotation

hornybastard
06-10-2007, 07:32 PM
KG Jr.

Fergie Jenkins

Chucky back OTC.

Chucky
06-10-2007, 07:33 PM
Ill take the best closer in the history of baseball

Mariano Rivera

22,895
06-10-2007, 07:41 PM
Well since this is best in their prime. I'm going with Eric Gagne who was just nasty 84 straight saves will never be broken Eric Gagne "Game Over"

Chucky
06-10-2007, 07:43 PM
Well since this is best in their prime. I'm going with Eric Gagne who was just nasty 84 straight saves will never be broken Eric Gagne "Game Over"

where does it say " in their prime", im pretty sure its just best players over the course of their careers

hornybastard
06-10-2007, 07:50 PM
where does it say " in their prime", im pretty sure its just best players over the course of their careers

It's really the same thing.

Chucky
06-10-2007, 07:51 PM
It's really the same thing.

No their prime is like 5 years max( in Gagnes case 2-3), and over the course of their career would be 15 in most cases

J E T S JETS
06-10-2007, 08:09 PM
I will select the best reliever in the history of baseball.

RP Hoyt Wilhelm

http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/hofers_and_honorees/hofer_bios/images/Wilhelm_Hoyt_4.jpg

His save number (227) doesn't jump out, mainly because in the era you'd throw your better relief pitchers when you needed them most (in those 4-3 games where the bases are loaded with 1 out in the 5th inning) instead of saving them for the 9th. The requirements for a save were also much harder to reach back them. But, his knuckleball makes him durable for those 2 or 3 inning saves on a night to night basis which is very valuable, and his stuff is as good as any other reliever to ever play the game.

Hoyt Wilhelm didn't make his major league debut until the age of 28, but he got off to a fast start by hitting a home run in his first at-bat. Twenty years and a then-record 1,069 games later, he had never done either again; but it was on the mound that he distinguished himself as the game's premier reliever. The knuckleballer won 143 games, including a record 124 out of the bullpen. In a rare start for the Orioles in 1958, he no-hit the Yankees.

Great Quote:
"I don't even try to fool anybody. I just throw the knuckleball 85 to 90 percent of the time. You don't need variations, because the damn ball jumps around so crazily, it's like having a hundred pitches." — Wilhelm, in 1969

J E T S JETS
06-10-2007, 08:12 PM
2 more picks? 2B Jackie Robinson and 3B Eddie Matthews, great steals this late IMO.

J E T S JETS
06-10-2007, 08:15 PM
WHy would he be picked in an all-time MLB draft. LOL. No offence but he actually shouldnt be picked, considering you can put non DH players at DH.
He would not be a bad selection at all, but I have a much BIGGER target at this point.

1. SS Honus Wagner (R)
2. CF Oscar Charleston (L)
3. LF Mickey Mantle (S)
4. 1B Lou Gehrig (L)
5. LF/DH Manny Ramirez (R)
6. 3B Eddie Matthews (L)
7. C Johnny Bench (R)
8.
9. 2B Jackie Robinson (R)

1. Walter Johnson (R)
2. Greg Maddux (R)
3. Christy Mathewson (R)
4. Randy Johnson (L)

CP Hoyt Wilhelm (R)

J E T S JETS
06-10-2007, 08:18 PM
It's really the same thing.
It's definitely not the same thing, or a guy like Sammy Sosa would have been drafted in the first round. No hitter ever hit better then he did from 1998-2001.

J E T S JETS
06-10-2007, 08:22 PM
I select the best catcher of all time Josh Gibson


http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/hofers_and_honorees/plaques/images/Gibson_Josh.jpg
Best offensively... he was below average to average defensively. I'd still take Bench, especially with all the burners in this draft (guys like Wagner, Charleston, and Robinson could steal in their sleep against him and Piazza).

Ewing
06-10-2007, 08:25 PM
Jets you are ****ing killing this draft. I kind of disagree with Wilhelm over Fingers though but I can see why you would pick him as he worked more innings.

J E T S JETS
06-10-2007, 08:28 PM
Jets you are ****ing killing this draft. I kind of disagree with Wilhelm over Fingers though but I can see why you would pick him as he worked more innings.
I love the Wil man... after my rotation flusters people in series with 2 100 MPH throwing, right handed intimidators and 2 soft throwing, control pitcher (1 L 1 R), they have to deal with a knuckleballer in the later innings. I love my pitching staff because it keeps hitters off balance with many conflicting styles and pitches.

Chucky
06-10-2007, 08:31 PM
My Team

1.:Ty Cobb OF
2. Ted Williams OF
3. Willie Mays OF
4. Hammerin Hank Greenberg 1B
5.Josh Gibson C
6. Pete Rose 2B
7.Alex Rodriguez SS
8.
9.

Rotation
SP: Lefty Grove
SP: ROger Clemens
SP: Satchel Paige
SP: STeve Carlton
SP: Bob Feller

CL: Mariono Rivera

Chucky
06-10-2007, 08:32 PM
Jets you are ****ing killing this draft. I kind of disagree with Wilhelm over Fingers though but I can see why you would pick him as he worked more innings.

My team and his team are pretty evenly matched in my opinion.

J E T S JETS
06-10-2007, 08:35 PM
Oh we have to draft a 5th pitcher? Oops... oh well there's still a top 10 guy or two left over.

Ewing
06-10-2007, 08:39 PM
My team and his team are pretty evenly matched in my opinion.

You have one flaw in your team. Chemistry. You think Ty Cobb would want to be on a team with a black man, a jew, and a latino? He would shoot himself before you got out of spring training.

J E T S JETS
06-10-2007, 08:42 PM
My Team

(Only grading hitting, since my defense trumps yours with Greenberg, Gibson, Rose, and A-Rod in it)
1.:Ty Cobb OF > SS Honus Wagner
2. Ted Williams OF > CF Oscar Charleston
3. Willie Mays OF < RF Mickey Mantle
4. Hammerin Hank Greenberg 1B < 1B Lou Gehrig
5.Josh Gibson C > LF Manny Ramirez
6. Pete Rose 2B < 3B Eddie Matthews
7.Alex Rodriguez SS > C Johnny Bench
8.
9. 2B Jackie Robinson

Rotation
SP: Lefty Grove < Walter Johnson
SP: ROger Clemens < Greg Maddux (Stated my argument for it before, would love to see you try to argue back so go ahead)
SP: Satchel Paige < Christy Mathewson
SP: STeve Carlton < Randy Johnson
SP: Bob Feller < (If I can get who I want to draft)

CL: Mariono Rivera = Hoyt Wilhelm (Mariano is better in one inning, but the value of Hoyt to go three causes the equality)


I think our batting is about equal, but I've put together a team that beats you on the pitching and fielding sides relatively badly. Your batting order also scares me a little bit (you're going L L R R R S R - 3 righties in a row and 2 lefties to start? Not much balance) and with a little bit of fixing could be much better.

Chucky
06-10-2007, 08:42 PM
You have one flaw in your team. Chemistry. You think Ty Cobb would want to be on a team with a black man, a jew, and a latino? He would shoot himself before you got out of spring training.

LOL, but i mean its impossible to take all those things into account, I mean there is no way Cobb wasnt going to get picked, no one ever mentioned chemistry as a factor. Plus if I gave him enough money, he wouldnt give a damn. My team is just as talented as Jets though, i think we have the top 2 teams

J E T S JETS
06-10-2007, 08:47 PM
LOL, but i mean its impossible to take all those things into account, I mean there is no way Cobb wasnt going to get picked, no one ever mentioned chemistry as a factor. Plus if I gave him enough money, he wouldnt give a damn. My team is just as talented as Jets though, i think we have the top 2 teams
The Chemistry isn't that big of a deal... baseball is the most individualistic team sport I can think of, and character doesn't matter as much as it would in say football. But, the huge pitching advantage is key.

Ewing
06-10-2007, 08:49 PM
LOL, but i mean its impossible to take all those things into account, I mean there is no way Cobb wasnt going to get picked, no one ever mentioned chemistry as a factor. Plus if I gave him enough money, he wouldnt give a damn. My team is just as talented as Jets though, i think we have the top 2 teams

I'm just screwing with you. Your team is really good but I still give the edge to Jets.

Chucky
06-10-2007, 08:51 PM
My Team

(Only grading hitting, since my defense trumps yours with Greenberg, Gibson, Rose, and A-Rod in it)
1.:Ty Cobb OF > SS Honus Wagner
2. Ted Williams OF > CF Oscar Charleston
3. Willie Mays OF < RF Mickey Mantle
4. Hammerin Hank Greenberg 1B < 1B Lou Gehrig
5.Josh Gibson C > LF Manny Ramirez
6. Pete Rose 2B < 3B Eddie Matthews
7.Alex Rodriguez SS > C Johnny Bench
8.
9. 2B Jackie Robinson

Rotation
SP: Lefty Grove < Walter Johnson
SP: ROger Clemens < Greg Maddux (Stated my argument for it before, would love to see you try to argue back so go ahead)
SP: Satchel Paige < Christy Mathewson
SP: STeve Carlton < Randy Johnson
SP: Bob Feller < (If I can get who I want to draft)

CL: Mariono Rivera = Hoyt Wilhelm (Mariano is better in one inning, but the value of Hoyt to go three causes the equality)


I think our batting is about equal, but I've put together a team that beats you on the pitching and fielding sides relatively badly. Your batting order also scares me a little bit (you're going L L R R R S R - 3 righties in a row and 2 lefties to start? Not much balance) and with a little bit of fixing could be much better.

Arod is actually a great fielding SS, but like you would still win in that regard. Secondly Clemens is better than maddux, he has won 7 Cy young awards, which is unheard of. He has always been a dominant pitcher, from the beginning of his career to the end( unlike maddux). He won an MVP which is nearly impossible these days. I think that without a doubt Clemens is superior to Maddux, and is probably a top 3 pitcher of all time if not top 2. Satchel Paige is the best Negro League pitcher of all time, and has recorded an estimated 2000 wins and 300 shutouts. He had roughly a 13 pitch repetoire. and is also one of the top 5-7 pitchers of all time, and is definatly at mathewsons level. Steve Carlton to Randy Johnson is a very close call. Willie Mays is also a much better hitter and fielder than Mickey Mantle. Pete Rose who is the all time hit king with over 4000 hits, has to be considered superior to Eddie Matthews

Chucky
06-10-2007, 08:59 PM
Also Can I edit my Bob Feller pick, no one has really made any comments about him yets o i dont think it should be a problem, if anyone objects just say son, but im gonna be changing it in an hour if no one says anything

J E T S JETS
06-10-2007, 09:21 PM
Arod is actually a great fielding SS, but like you would still win in that regard. Secondly Clemens is better than maddux, he has won 7 Cy young awards, which is unheard of. He has always been a dominant pitcher, from the beginning of his career to the end( unlike maddux). He won an MVP which is nearly impossible these days. I think that without a doubt Clemens is superior to Maddux, and is probably a top 3 pitcher of all time if not top 2. Satchel Paige is the best Negro League pitcher of all time, and has recorded an estimated 2000 wins and 300 shutouts. He had roughly a 13 pitch repetoire. and is also one of the top 5-7 pitchers of all time, and is definatly at mathewsons level. Steve Carlton to Randy Johnson is a very close call. Willie Mays is also a much better hitter and fielder than Mickey Mantle. Pete Rose who is the all time hit king with over 4000 hits, has to be considered superior to Eddie Matthews
I'll take this one by one.

-A-Rod a great fielding SS? He had 2 good seasons defensively with Texas, and a crapload of terrible seasons in Seattle with 15+ errors and low range factors and such

-Clemens had NO competition in the AL until Pedro came around, except Bret Saberhagan who might just crack the top 100 in all-time pitchers. Maddux had to deal with Pedro (top 15 all-time), Randy Johnson (top 10), Glavine (top 30) and yet still won 4 gold gloves. Maddux was also the best defensive pitcher of all-time, notching 16 gold gloves and a remarkable 13 straight. Don't forget about his 17 straight seasons of 15+ wins. These garbage seasons at the end of a career really mean ****, especially since Clemens did his good ones in a defensive-favoring ballpark. At least Maddux had his mediocre seasons at the end too... what's up with Clemens with his 4.46 ERA in 93, 4.18 in 95, 4.60 in 99, and 4.35 in 02 when he was still under 40? Maddux only had 2 4+ plus seasons under 40, and they were a 4.02 and 4.24 when he was 38 and 39. I will also like to stress again that Maddux's all-time QS% of 68% beats Clemens's by 3%, and Maddux's consistency and durability make him better then Clemens and a top 5 starter of all-time.

-2000 wins for Satchel Paige? 300 shutouts? I've never heard anything like that and prove that with a link so I know you're not just pulling that out of your ass... I'll comment after I see that.

-Johnson over Carlton is actually a very easy call. Johnson has a 137 ERA+, while Carlton has a terrible (for great pitchers) career ERA+ of 115.... that 22 points should be more then enough to crown Johnson, but he's also the all-time leader of K's per 9 IP, has a 66% win percentage compared to Carlton's 55%, and Johnson is much, much better. Show me numbers that Carlton could even hold Johnson's jock strap.

-No way Rose is even close to "superior" to Matthews. Pete Rose and his 4,000 hits aren't much considering he only hit .302 during his career, and his career lead in at bats are the only reason he's the hit king. Rose also never drove in runs, scored them at a decent rate (which is still kind of useless so low in the lineup), and was never more then a single and wait to score type of player. On the other hand, Matthews hit over 500 HR's in his career, drove in runs while scoring them at only a slightly slower pace then Rose, had an about equal OBP then Rose (Matthews has .376 to Rose's .375), and his OPS+ kills Rose's (143 to 118). Matthews is much better fit in the 7th spot, and is a better hitter in that spot then Rose is.

hornybastard
06-10-2007, 09:22 PM
It's definitely not the same thing, or a guy like Sammy Sosa would have been drafted in the first round. No hitter ever hit better then he did from 1998-2001.

No because Gagne hasn't played as long as Sosa but hey i dont give a sh!- it aint my pick.

J E T S JETS
06-10-2007, 09:23 PM
Also Can I edit my Bob Feller pick, no one has really made any comments about him yets o i dont think it should be a problem, if anyone objects just say son, but im gonna be changing it in an hour if no one says anything
I do object... could an NFL team draft some guy in the 4th round but change it 5 picks later because the guys on TV haven't discussed it? There have been 4 or 5 picks since the Feller pick and it would be very unfair to just throw him in the pool after that. If I knew that you still needed a starter, I would have drafted my #5 guy over Wilhelm and waited since there are a couple great relievers left. Also, a guy that may have had Feller higher on his board may have taken another guy. You can change your picks after 5 minutes, not after 5 picks and 2 hours.

hornybastard
06-10-2007, 09:24 PM
Oh we have to draft a 5th pitcher? Oops... oh well there's still a top 10 guy or two left over.

You can go with whatever a 4 man rotation and a closer and an extra bench player or go with a 5 man rotation and a closer.

J E T S JETS
06-10-2007, 09:24 PM
No because Gagne hasn't played as long as Sosa but hey i dont give a sh!- it aint my pick.
I'm just saying besides those 4 years, Sosa was nothing more then an above average power hitter that doesn't deserve selection in this draft. That's what steroids do...

hornybastard
06-10-2007, 09:34 PM
Jets your back OTC ncstfan if over the limit.

Chucky
06-10-2007, 09:38 PM
I do object... could an NFL team draft some guy in the 4th round but change it 5 picks later because the guys on TV haven't discussed it? There have been 4 or 5 picks since the Feller pick and it would be very unfair to just throw him in the pool after that. If I knew that you still needed a starter, I would have drafted my #5 guy over Wilhelm and waited since there are a couple great relievers left. Also, a guy that may have had Feller higher on his board may have taken another guy. You can change your picks after 5 minutes, not after 5 picks and 2 hours.

But I mean in most Fantasy things like that, it is usually allowed. But if you guys want to be tightasses then i dont have a problem with that

J E T S JETS
06-10-2007, 09:41 PM
I will select the all-time leader in ERA+ (by a remarkable 12 points - 160), and the pitcher with the best peak out of any in the history in the game (he was unhittable from 1997-2003). Also in the top 5 all-time of catagories such as WHIP, K/9IP, W%, et al. The only thing wrong with him is he was only a 7 inning pitcher, but that shouldn't be a problem with Hoyt Wilhelm to pick up for him. Some consider him a top 5 pitcher, almost all consider him a top 10 pitcher.

SP Pedro Martinez

http://www.sonsofsamhorn.net/wiki/images/thumb/b/ba/TheDro.jpg/250px-TheDro.jpg


1. SS Honus Wagner (R)
2. CF Oscar Charleston (L)
3. RF Mickey Mantle (S)
4. 1B Lou Gehrig (L)
5. LF/DH Manny Ramirez (R)
6. 3B Eddie Matthews (L)
7. C Johnny Bench (R)
8.
9. 2B Jackie Robinson (R)

1. Walter Johnson (R)
2. Greg Maddux (R)
3. Christy Mathewson (R)
4. Randy Johnson (L)
5. Pedro Martinez (R)

CP Hoyt Wilhelm (R)

J E T S JETS
06-10-2007, 09:42 PM
But I mean in most Fantasy things like that, it is usually allowed. But if you guys want to be tightasses then i dont have a problem with that
I disagree on the principle, but if that's how it usually is on this website then that's fine.

22,895
06-10-2007, 09:49 PM
I'll get Reggie Jackson big ole feast or famine slugger like that will be my DH.

Chucky
06-10-2007, 09:51 PM
I'll take this one by one.

-A-Rod a great fielding SS? He had 2 good seasons defensively with Texas, and a crapload of terrible seasons in Seattle with 15+ errors and low range factors and such

-Clemens had NO competition in the AL until Pedro came around, except Bret Saberhagan who might just crack the top 100 in all-time pitchers. Maddux had to deal with Pedro (top 15 all-time), Randy Johnson (top 10), Glavine (top 30) and yet still won 4 gold gloves. Maddux was also the best defensive pitcher of all-time, notching 16 gold gloves and a remarkable 13 straight. Don't forget about his 17 straight seasons of 15+ wins. These garbage seasons at the end of a career really mean ****, especially since Clemens did his good ones in a defensive-favoring ballpark. At least Maddux had his mediocre seasons at the end too... what's up with Clemens with his 4.46 ERA in 93, 4.18 in 95, 4.60 in 99, and 4.35 in 02 when he was still under 40? Maddux only had 2 4+ plus seasons under 40, and they were a 4.02 and 4.24 when he was 38 and 39. I will also like to stress again that Maddux's all-time QS% of 68% beats Clemens's by 3%, and Maddux's consistency and durability make him better then Clemens and a top 5 starter of all-time.

-2000 wins for Satchel Paige? 300 shutouts? I've never heard anything like that and prove that with a link so I know you're not just pulling that out of your ass... I'll comment after I see that.

-Johnson over Carlton is actually a very easy call. Johnson has a 137 ERA+, while Carlton has a terrible (for great pitchers) career ERA+ of 115.... that 22 points should be more then enough to crown Johnson, but he's also the all-time leader of K's per 9 IP, has a 66% win percentage compared to Carlton's 55%, and Johnson is much, much better. Show me numbers that Carlton could even hold Johnson's jock strap.

-No way Rose is even close to "superior" to Matthews. Pete Rose and his 4,000 hits aren't much considering he only hit .302 during his career, and his career lead in at bats are the only reason he's the hit king. Rose also never drove in runs, scored them at a decent rate (which is still kind of useless so low in the lineup), and was never more then a single and wait to score type of player. On the other hand, Matthews hit over 500 HR's in his career, drove in runs while scoring them at only a slightly slower pace then Rose, had an about equal OBP then Rose (Matthews has .376 to Rose's .375), and his OPS+ kills Rose's (143 to 118). Matthews is much better fit in the 7th spot, and is a better hitter in that spot then Rose is.

Regarding ROger Clemens, winning 7 Cy Youngs is an astounding feat, and last time i checked Randy pitched in the AL from 1990 till 1998. He also competed with Nolan Ryan who was damn good pitcher and as mentioned Pedro from 1998 on. Also he won a friggin MVP that is an absurd accomplishment for a pitcher to achieve. and Greg Maddux has only gotten 1 Cy young BTW.

Regarding Rose saying he is only a singles hitter is kind of dumb considering he has the second most doubles in MLB history. HE also has amazing versatility as he played over 500 games at 5 different positions. He was the Sporting News player of the 1970's. He made 17 all star appearences, plus he played the game harder than anyone else

hornybastard
06-10-2007, 09:51 PM
Chucky is OTC.

Alright I'm starting the matchups and the team with the bye.

hornybastard
06-10-2007, 10:00 PM
First team I picked out is...

Chucky your moving on.

hornybastard
06-10-2007, 10:02 PM
The first Round Match-ups are going to be

22,895
vs
ncst8fan83

and

J E T S JETS
vs.
hornybastard

Chucky
06-10-2007, 10:05 PM
that doesnt even make sense, do i get a bye to the finals?

Chucky
06-10-2007, 10:09 PM
Im just gonna keep my pick of Bob Feller, cuz im gonna assume that people will take into consideration that Feller lost years to World War 2.

Brooks Robinson 3B

hornybastard
06-10-2007, 10:11 PM
that doesnt even make sense, do i get a bye to the finals?

No you play whoever has the least votes differental. Ex: hornybastard-10 J E T S JETS-4 the difference is 6 and if the other game is a difference of 2 then your playing the winner with the leasst differental. I know it sucks because we had one user quit and nobody else wanted to join.

hornybastard
06-10-2007, 10:17 PM
Can everybody post their team line-ups.

Chucky
06-10-2007, 10:30 PM
I still need to make another pick, i need my DH

22,895
06-10-2007, 10:44 PM
SS Maury Wills
CF Roberto Clemente
2B Rogers Hornsby
RF Hank Aaron
1B Jimmy Foxx
3B George Brett
LF Frank Robinson
DH Reggie Jackson
C Bill Dickey

#1 SP – Cy Young
#2 SP – Warren Spahn
#3 SP – Grover Alexander
#4 SP – Jim Palmer
CLOSER – Eric Gagne

My lineup Maury Wills is a nice solid hitter and when he gets on base he's stealing second. Easy. Second batter Roberto Clemente can drive him in with a nice base hit. Then the best 2B the Homerun king and then the beast all could get homeruns. Then Brett gets on then Frank Robinson and Reggie Jackson are threats to hit homers. Then Bill Dickey base hit and we start all over again.

Pitching staff Cy Young most wins 511 Warren Spahn 6th in wins (363)and SHO (63) Grover Alexander 3rd in wins (373) and 2nd in SHO (90) and Jim Palmer 4 years in a row with 20 wins and he did that twice. Eric Gagne with 84 consecutive saves in a row. A record that will never be broken.

hornybastard
06-10-2007, 10:52 PM
I still need to make another pick, i need my DH

Just pick it then. I thought everybody had everybody.

Chucky
06-10-2007, 10:59 PM
I select the "Black Lou Gehrig" ( Buck LEonard) to go along with the " Black Babe Ruth"( Gibson).
Im playing him at 1B instead of Greenberg.

Chucky
06-10-2007, 11:08 PM
My TEam

1. Ty Cobb OF
2.Pete Rose 2B
3. Ted WIlliams OF
4. Josh Gibson C
5. Hank Greenberg DH
6. Willie Mays OF
7. Buck Leonard 1B
8. Alex Rodriguez SS
9. Brooks Robinson 3B

Rotation
1. Lefty Grove
2. Roger Clemens
3. Satchel Paige
4. Steve Carlton
5. Bob Feller

CL: Mariano Rivera

ncst8fan83
06-10-2007, 11:38 PM
Eddie Murray, DH

and

Dennis Eckersley, Closer

My Lineup:
1. Ricky Henderson - lf
2. Rod Carew – 2b
3. Cal Ripken, Jr - ss
4. Harmon Killebrew – 1b
5. Eddie Murray - dh
6. Joe DiMaggio - cf
7. Carl Yastrzemski - rf
8. Wade Boggs – 3b
9. Yogi Berra - c

1st Starter – Sandy Koufax
2nd Starter – Bob Gibson
3rd Starter – Nolan Ryan
4th Starter – Tom Seaver
Reliever –Dennis Eckersley

hornybastard
06-11-2007, 01:48 AM
This is a Draft using every single player that has ever stepped onto the a Major League Player also note 1 hour max limit. If time limit goes over that you will have to make it up. We will have 14 Rounds (8 position players, 5 pitchers and 1 extra player bench or another pitcher doesnt matter)as soon as we have 6-12 users! So try and create your All-Time team for just a one Season shot! I'm a homer and will be the Seattle Mariners!

Round 1
hornybastard Seattle Mariners Babe Ruth OF

Chucky Blue Jays Ted Williams OF

22,895 Los Angeles Dodgers Hank Aaron OF

J E T S JETS New York Mets Walter Johnson P

ncst8fan83 Chicago Cubs Sandy Koufax P

Round 2
ncst8fan83 Nolan Ryan P

J E T S JETS Lou Gehrig 1B

22,895 Cy Young P

Chucky Ty Cobb OF

hornybastard Barry Bonds OF

3rd Round
hornybastard Stan Musial OF

Chucky Left Grove P

22,895 Rogers Hornsby 2B

J E T S JETS Honus Wagner SS

ncst8fan83 Joe DiMaggio OF

4th Round
ncst8fan83 Cal Ripken Jr SS

J E T S JETS Oscar Charleston CF

22,895 Jimmy Foxx 1B

Chucky Roger Clemens P

hornybastard Mike Schmidt 3B

5th Round
hornybastard Mike Piazza C

Chucky Willie Mays OF

22,895 Warren Spahn P

J E T S JETS Greg Maddux P

ncst8fan83 Tom Seaver P

6th Round
ncst8fan83 Bob Gibson P

J E T S JETS Christy Mathewson P

22,895 Grover Alexander P

Chucky Satchel Paige P

hornybastard Phil Niekro P

7th Round
hornybastard Gaylord Perry P

Chucky Pete Rose DH

22,895 Frank Robinson OF

J E T S JETS Randy Johnson P

ncst8fan83 Harmon Killebrew 1B

8th Round
ncst8fan83 Wade Boggs 3B

J E T S JETS Micky Mantle OF

22,895 Roberto Clemente OF

Chucky Steve Carlton P

hornybastard Ryne Sandberg 2B

9th Round
hornybastard Ernie Banks 1B

Chucky Hank Greenberg 1B

22,895 George Brett 3B

J E T S JETS Johnny Bench C

ncst8fan83 Yogi Berra C

10th Round
ncst8fan83 Rod Carew 2B

J E T S JETS Manny Ramirez LF

22,895 Jim Palmer P

Chucky Josh Gibson C

hornybastard Eddie Plank P

11th Round
hornybastard Trevor Hoffman CL

Chucky Alex Rodriguez SS

22,895 Bill Dickey C

J E T S JETS Hoyt Wil

ncst8fan83 Rickey Henderson OF

12th Round
ncst8fan83 Carl Yastrzemski OF

J E T S JETS Jackie Robinson 2B

22,895 Maury Wills SS

Chucky Bob Feller P

hornybastard Ken Griffey Jr. OF

13th Round
hornybastard Fergie Jenkins P

Chucky Mo. Rivera CL

22,895 Eric Gagne CL

J E T S JETS Eddie Matthews 3B

ncst8fan83Eddie Murrey DH

14th Round
ncst8fan83Dennis Eck

J E T S JETS Pedro Martinez P

22,895 Reggie Jackson DH

Chucky Brooks Robinson 3B

hornybastard Luis Apercio SS

Whoopd didn't mean to make a message.

J E T S JETS
06-11-2007, 01:47 PM
Regarding ROger Clemens, winning 7 Cy Youngs is an astounding feat, and last time i checked Randy pitched in the AL from 1990 till 1998. He also competed with Nolan Ryan who was damn good pitcher and as mentioned Pedro from 1998 on. Also he won a friggin MVP that is an absurd accomplishment for a pitcher to achieve. and Greg Maddux has only gotten 1 Cy young BTW.
-Maddux has 4 consecutive Cy Youngs ('92-'95). Where the hell did the 1 come from? You're still pulling stats out of your ass like you did with the Paige stats.
-Clemens had his first full season in '86, where Ryan was already 39 and at the very end of his career
-Johnson had his worser seasons in that era, where he was still wild and erratic, and '95 and '97 were the only real seasons where he was Cy Young worthy. Clemens did beat him out for the Cy Young in '97, but was hurt for about half the year in '95.


Regarding Rose saying he is only a singles hitter is kind of dumb considering he has the second most doubles in MLB history. HE also has amazing versatility as he played over 500 games at 5 different positions. He was the Sporting News player of the 1970's. He made 17 all star appearences, plus he played the game harder than anyone else
-Again, the amount of at bats is insane. He had 746 career doubles... Speaker had 792 in 4,000 less at bats, Musial had 725 in 4,000 less at bats, Cobb had 724 in 3,000 less at bats, etc., etc., etc. Those are guys with real doubles power.
-Also, the 5 positions means nothing since he'll only be playing one.
-All-Star appearances is a very overrated stat since it's voted on by the fans, and most people would just vote for the icons at the time. Also, Reds fans were renowned for stuffing the ballot boxes with their players much like the Yankees and Red Sox fans have done the past few years, excluding this year so far.
-Wahoo he's a hard playing player. If someone like Eddie Matthews hit 512 HR's, he obviously worked hard at something too. Matthews > Rose

J E T S JETS
06-11-2007, 01:50 PM
I will select a guy that hurt a lot to be my DH

Frank "The Big Hurt" Thomas

http://www.opengroup.com/sports/images/(SC)Frank_Thomas_Photo.jpg

J E T S JETS
06-11-2007, 01:59 PM
1. SS Honus Wagner (R)
2. CF Oscar Charleston (L)
3. LF Mickey Mantle (S)
4. 1B Lou Gehrig (L)
5. LF Manny Ramirez (R)
6. 3B Eddie Matthews (L)
7. DH Frank Thomas (R)
8. C Johnny Bench (R)
9. 2B Jackie Robinson (R)

1. Walter Johnson (R)
2. Greg Maddux (R)
3. Christy Mathewson (R)
4. Randy Johnson (L)
5. Pedro Martinez (R)

CP Hoyt Wilhelm (R)

Lineup: My 3-7 batters all have 400+ HR's, and all but Mantle (.298) and Matthews (.271) have BA's over .300. Honus Wagner was well... Honus Wagner. Charleston and Robinson are speed and base stealing demons, and will steal pretty much every time we play Piazza and Gibson. Bench is there because he's arguably the best defensive catcher of all-time, and carries just under 400 HR's and a decent average to the table. A lot of speed and power, and the only flaw is all the righties at the bottom of the lineup... which is better then a ton of lefties at the bottom of the lineup. Oh yea, and I have 6 of the top 51 guys in RBI's all-time (the 3-7 batters and Wagner), and they all have over 1,400 runs batted in.

Bullpen: All 5 of them are ranked in The Baseball Page's top 10, they're all in my personal top 10, and I could not imagine a better group of pitchers to be drafted in this draft. There's a good mix of hard throwing strikeout guys with soft throwing control guys that can keep opponents off balance, and then a knuckleballer who is the best reliever in the history of the game to seal off games is very nice to have.

ncst8fan83
06-11-2007, 02:35 PM
how do you have 15 players in a 14 round draft?

J E T S JETS
06-11-2007, 02:51 PM
how do you have 15 players in a 14 round draft?
Oh wow I just realized that... it was originally a 15 round draft, and now it's changed to 14? I also thought we had the option to take a bench player or 5th starter along with our 9 position players (including DH) and reliever... now all of a sudden it's 8 players? No DH anymore? What's going on?

Eaglez.Fan
06-11-2007, 03:20 PM
wrong thread sry

J E T S JETS
06-11-2007, 03:22 PM
^I think you have the wrong thread... and btw whoever is getting Halladay/Howard looks like they're raping the other team, but I'd have to see the teams to be sure.

ncst8fan83
06-11-2007, 03:30 PM
Oh wow I just realized that... it was originally a 15 round draft, and now it's changed to 14? I also thought we had the option to take a bench player or 5th starter along with our 9 position players (including DH) and reliever... now all of a sudden it's 8 players? No DH anymore? What's going on?


it's all good. i just noticed you had a 5 pitcher rotation plus a closer. i remember when we started it was 15 with 9 position players + utility/DH and 5 pitchers. I think it was suppose to be 8 instead of 9 to begin with, so he changed it. I don't care either way. We can add a round if you want. :)