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Damix
06-04-2007, 02:23 PM
Just reported on ESPN, I'll find a link


Edit: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2892889

Smooth Criminal
06-04-2007, 02:24 PM
Wow. That seems like alot more than most people were expecting. I think its great. Definately something he'll take notice and remember the next time he is going to break the law.

Moses
06-04-2007, 02:26 PM
That's really going to hurt the Bears. They struggled at times with their interior defensive line on running downs. Is Dvoracek going to be the guy who steps in to replace Tank?

bearsfan_51
06-04-2007, 02:26 PM
It is definately more than was expected, and I thought his positive meeting with the commish would have helped, but I think with the appeal of Pac-Man they wanted to come out tough on this one too. Hopefully Tank learns for good.

Moses
06-04-2007, 02:27 PM
It is definately more than was expected, and I thought his positive meeting with the commish would have helped, but I think with the appeal of Pac-Man they wanted to come out tough on this one too. Hopefully Tank learns for good.

Who do you think will replace him in the lineup?

bearsfan_51
06-04-2007, 02:27 PM
That's really going to hurt the Bears. They struggled at times with their interior defensive line on running downs. Is Dvoracek going to be the guy who steps in to replace Tank?
He's currently the favorite. Tommie and Dusty were tremendous together at Oklahoma, hopefully that carries over to the pro game.


I think even when Tank comes back he'll be a backup.

LarryJohnson27
06-04-2007, 02:28 PM
Does this mean Dusty Dvoracek likely starts?

EDIT: Nevermind. Questions already been answered.

Moses
06-04-2007, 02:30 PM
He's currently the favorite. Tommie and Dusty were tremendous together at Oklahoma, hopefully that carries over to the pro game.


I think even when Tank comes back he'll be a backup.

You're really high on Dvoracek. I like his motor but I'm not sold on his overall ability. I guess we'll find out this season.

Bears really like to use smaller DTs. It seems like their starters are always sub-300 pound guys. They do get pressure on the QB but I think it hurts them in the run game. Wasn't that stretch where the defence was struggling caused by the defensive line (specifically the interior) not being able to be stout against the run?

bearsfan_51
06-04-2007, 02:30 PM
In a letter to Johnson, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell said that he would be prepared to reduce the suspension to the first six regular-season games if Johnson meets certain conditions.

The conditions include:

-- No further adverse involvement with law enforcement and full compliance with any requirements imposed by a court.

-- Compliance with all league requirements, including counseling.

-- No participation in any practices or other organized team activities during the period of the suspension. Johnson may, however, be present at the Bears' facility during the suspension for counseling sessions and other approved activities such as physical treatment or individual workout sessions.

Commissioner Goodell said that he would review the matter no later than Oct. 1 to assess Johnson's progress and determine whether the suspension should be reduced.


More likely to be six I would guess. Those conditions shouldn't be hard to meet and if he gets in trouble with the law again they'll cut him anyway.

bearsfan_51
06-04-2007, 02:31 PM
You're really high on Dvoracek. I like his motor but I'm not sold on his overall ability. I guess we'll find out this season.Yes I am. He was my favorite draft pick last year. I think in part because he looks like a Viking (the cool Norweigan kind, not the Purple-wearing kind).

Moses
06-04-2007, 02:32 PM
More likely to be six I would guess. Those conditions shouldn't be hard to meet and if he gets in trouble with the law again they'll cut him anyway.

It's going to hurt him a lot on the field if he's not able to practice with the team.

CC.SD
06-04-2007, 02:32 PM
Yes I am. He was my favorite draft pick last year. I think in part because he looks like a Viking (the cool Norweigan kind, not the Purple-wearing kind).

Good addendum, that has to be a difficult compliment for a bears fan.

Moses
06-04-2007, 02:33 PM
Yes I am. He was my favorite draft pick last year. I think in part because he looks like a Viking (the cool Norweigan kind, not the Purple-wearing kind).

Was worried until I read those brackets.

http://www.newsok.com/tempimages/s18dusty03.jpg

Man_Of_Steel
06-04-2007, 02:33 PM
I believe its 6-8 games, I may be wrong but last I yesterday there would be a meeting to decide.

lod01
06-04-2007, 02:34 PM
Another wheel falls off.

bearsfan_51
06-04-2007, 02:34 PM
It's going to hurt him a lot on the field if he's not able to practice with the team.
I disagree. He'll still be here all through training camp and preseason and he'll workout with trainers and such during the season. If anything he'll come in fresh by week 7 or 9.

Lance Briggs, on the other hand, could be a problem if he holds out for the first 10 games because he'll miss all of training camp and there's nothing to ensure he'll show up in shape (other than the fact he wants money).

Hurricane Ditka
06-04-2007, 02:34 PM
It's six games if he complies with certain regulations. Personally, I think this was a little drastic, but I think Dusty will be able fill his shoes, and Anthony Adams will provide depth.

Moses
06-04-2007, 02:35 PM
I disagree. He'll still be here all through training camp and preseason and he'll workout with trainers and such during the season. If anything he'll come in fresh by week 7 or 9.

Lance Briggs, on the other hand, could be a problem if he holds out for the first 10 games because he'll miss all of training camp and there's nothing to ensure he'll show up in shape (other than the fact he wants money).

Oh, he's still allowed in training camp? That changes a lot. How is Johnson's work ethic though? Is he the type of guy who will stay in shape without coaches making him do it in practice?

MasterShake
06-04-2007, 03:08 PM
Oh, he's still allowed in training camp? That changes a lot. How is Johnson's work ethic though? Is he the type of guy who will stay in shape without coaches making him do it in practice?

No, he is not allowed at the team portion of training camp, just into the weight room and such to work out and get treatments.

He is not allowed to practice with the team at all.

bearsfan_51
06-04-2007, 03:53 PM
No, he is not allowed at the team portion of training camp, just into the weight room and such to work out and get treatments.

He is not allowed to practice with the team at all.

Where do you get this at? He's going to be allowed to practice and play in all four preseason games. He's not suspended untill the regular season begins. Unless you can find a credible source to support your argument I'm almost positive you're wrong.

LarryJohnson27
06-04-2007, 04:03 PM
Where do you get this at? He's going to be allowed to practice and play in all four preseason games. He's not suspended untill the regular season begins. Unless you can find a credible source to support your argument I'm almost positive you're wrong.

You're right. I don't know where he got that from.

awfullyquiet
06-04-2007, 04:03 PM
More likely to be six I would guess. Those conditions shouldn't be hard to meet and if he gets in trouble with the law again they'll cut him anyway.

yeah.

I agree with moses though on dusty. He's got the intensity, but he hasn't had the technique nor power that tank has. yet. this may be proven sometime later in the summer, but i haven't seen it from him yet.

week seven though, i still think the bears are looking to tank.

as far as the run game. really, the run game will be determined by the quality of the LB's. the particular d-line gap schooting scheme is very strange, and the faster linebackers who have superior tackling skills will succede in the lovie-2... sure, i mean, in the lovie-2, great DT's will be able to penetrate and catch runners at the point of transfer for TFL's. but seeing that that doesn't happen every time, and it's a law of averages, in the next level, someone will have to stop them. and his name is brian urlacher (and i mean, the man has a stunt double somewher on the field)... but. the lack of lance briggs will diminish their ability there. but, the presence of archuleta gives about 1/3rd of that presence back.

Moses
06-04-2007, 04:04 PM
Where do you get this at? He's going to be allowed to practice and play in all four preseason games. He's not suspended untill the regular season begins. Unless you can find a credible source to support your argument I'm almost positive you're wrong.

I have to agree with MasterShake. It says no organized team activities. That includes training camp, preseason games, etc. At least that's my interpretation of it.

awfullyquiet
06-04-2007, 04:08 PM
I have to agree with MasterShake. It says no organized team activities. That includes training camp, preseason games, etc. At least that's my interpretation of it.

but he's suspended for the regular season.

it's not clear in the text...

it's a posibility that it can go either way.

it's probably just during the regular season.
because if it was during the pre-season, his six games would be up sometime around week 3.

Moses
06-04-2007, 04:08 PM
but he's suspended for the regular season.

it's not clear in the text...

it's a posibility that it can go either way.

it's probably just during the regular season.
because if it was during the pre-season, his six games would be up sometime around week 3.

Pre-season games don't count as games.

bearsfan_51
06-04-2007, 04:13 PM
I have to agree with MasterShake. It says no organized team activities. That includes training camp, preseason games, etc. At least that's my interpretation of it.

Make that two wrong people.


Johnson is eligible to participate in the Bearsí offseason workout program, training camp and preseason games before the suspension begins after the teamís final preseason contest.

TitleTown088
06-04-2007, 04:17 PM
Excellent.

awfullyquiet
06-04-2007, 04:31 PM
Oh, he's still allowed in training camp? That changes a lot. How is Johnson's work ethic though? Is he the type of guy who will stay in shape without coaches making him do it in practice?

162 beef sticks
and 1 cup cake.

nrk
06-04-2007, 04:44 PM
Where do you get this at? He's going to be allowed to practice and play in all four preseason games. He's not suspended untill the regular season begins. Unless you can find a credible source to support your argument I'm almost positive you're wrong.

You posted this yourself earlier in the thread,

In a letter to Johnson, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell said that he would be prepared to reduce the suspension to the first six regular-season games if Johnson meets certain conditions.

The conditions include:

-- No further adverse involvement with law enforcement and full compliance with any requirements imposed by a court.

-- Compliance with all league requirements, including counseling.

-- No participation in any practices or other organized team activities during the period of the suspension. Johnson may, however, be present at the Bears' facility during the suspension for counseling sessions and other approved activities such as physical treatment or individual workout sessions.

Commissioner Goodell said that he would review the matter no later than Oct. 1 to assess Johnson's progress and determine whether the suspension should be reduced.

bearsfan_51
06-04-2007, 04:47 PM
Jesus Christ...


During the period of suspension is the regular season.

He can still practice all through training camp.

He will still be active in all pre-season games.

His suspension won't start untill week 1 of the regular season.

Learn to read before calling out my statements. This is the third time I've had to repeat the same thing.

regoob2
06-04-2007, 06:22 PM
im watching it right now on abc they said he can play in all the preseason games just no ota during the suspension period, which is the first 6 or 8 games of the regular season

jag
06-04-2007, 10:00 PM
Does the same apply to Pacman? *referring to the being able to play in the pre-season*

zoinks
06-05-2007, 05:35 AM
Does the same apply to Pacman? *referring to the being able to play in the pre-season*

Pacman is pretty much locked out, period.

He's allowed to show up one day a week to rehab his shoulder, work out, meet with coaches, whatever....but no practicing with the team, no preseason games, no team-oriented activitities at all.

nvot9
06-05-2007, 03:01 PM
I think his suspension his ********. Pac-Man Jones (as bad a person as he is) got a full season suspension and did nothing illegal or jail-worthy, yet Tank Jones, who broke the law and served 60 days in jail only gets 8 games? There's no organized system to these suspensions and that's plain stupid, it makes NO sense at all.

Hurricane Ditka
06-05-2007, 03:08 PM
A. It's Johnson, not Jones.
B. Tank doesn't have any felony charges being investigated against him, aside from the Ice Bar incident, stayed out of trouble, where as Pac-Man has had several felony investigations, and hasn't kept his nose clean.

Moses
06-05-2007, 03:13 PM
I think his suspension his ********. Pac-Man Jones (as bad a person as he is) got a full season suspension and did nothing illegal or jail-worthy, yet Tank Jones, who broke the law and served 60 days in jail only gets 8 games? There's no organized system to these suspensions and that's plain stupid, it makes NO sense at all.

Huh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Jones_(American_football)#Legal_troubles

nvot9
06-05-2007, 03:15 PM
Huh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Jones_(American_football)#Legal_troubles

Never in jail ONCE...

Moses
06-05-2007, 03:18 PM
Never in jail ONCE...

That doesn't mean he didn't do anything illegal...

Jones hurt the NFL's reputation MUCH more than Tank.

nvot9
06-05-2007, 03:51 PM
That's irrelevant, Tank Johnson has been convicted of an illegal crime and spent 60 days in jail, Pac-Man Jones has not even spent one day in jail, therefore the severity of Johnson's inappropriate behavior in comparison to Pac-Man Jones' suspension merely for substance abuse (among other things such as attending a strip club before meeting with the comish, even though that's 100% legal) is extremely contradicting.

nvot9
06-05-2007, 03:54 PM
Oh, and Tank Johnson has been in plenty of inappropriate instances as well. Many instances where he was illegally owning guns etc.

Moses
06-05-2007, 04:04 PM
That's irrelevant, Tank Johnson has been convicted of an illegal crime and spent 60 days in jail, Pac-Man Jones has not even spent one day in jail, therefore the severity of Johnson's inappropriate behavior in comparison to Pac-Man Jones' suspension merely for substance abuse (among other things such as attending a strip club before meeting with the comish, even though that's 100% legal) is extremely contradicting.

I see your point but the NFL has said that they don't need a conviction to suspend players. I also agree that the NFL shouldn't just be banning players like this because there is no system set up to make sure it's fair.

That said, Pacman has hurt the league's reputation more than Tank. That's why he was suspended longer. Right or wrong, that's why it was done.

I do agree that you have some valid points and I definitely think the NFL needs to setup a system to clean this whole situation up.

SFbear
06-05-2007, 04:33 PM
Oh, and Tank Johnson has been in plenty of inappropriate instances as well. Many instances where he was illegally owning guns etc.

Two instances actually. Both misdemeanors. Also in the second instance they were legally purchased in his home state of Arizona but he didn't have the proper registration card for Illinois.