Jay-Z vs. Jim Jones

[Paul]

With the Beef going on, who do you prefer.

[DChess]

there opening a steak house?

[Windy]

there opening a steak house?

No i think he just likes the meat

[Paul]

there opening a steak house?

Took me awhile to get that.

[DChess]

ballin!

[Paul]

ballin!

I have no idea why that songs is so big. bad production, horrible lyrics, and people only listen to it so they can do the jumpshot.

[snuff]

ballin!

I have no idea why that songs is so big. bad production, horrible lyrics, and people only listen to it so they can do the jumpshot. Thats exactly what I say about the two people in this poll lately.

Jay-Z because he used to be good.

[JagsFanWL]

i dont like either, but I hate Jay-Z

I prefer Jones

[FlutiesDropKick]

Jay-Z's new album is complete **** but i i haven't liked anything by Jim Jones especially Ballin' so gotta go with Jay

[Rob S]

Jay-Z was amazing, so its him.

[Smokey Joe]

Jay who?

[yourfavestoner]

Andre Nickatina.

I think Jim Jones may jump him later but 4 now its JAY-Z.

[ccB]

Jim Jones is absolute garbage. This shouldnt even be a poll.

[jets future]

BROOKLYN!! jim jones dipset they are garbage juelz santana is worst rapper ever. jr writter needs a writter cus he is terrible. jim jones is not even a rapper.
Jay z is michael jordan of recordin,
jay z is the best rapper alive when it is all said and done
who ever voted for jim jones needs to stick with there rock and roll

[sweetness34]

Why don't these guys just do it like men instead of this ***** **** they do now? Grow a pair and take care of this in person instead of doing it with lyrics and through the media.

[jkpigskin]

i got stronger after ether...........WOW

my fav part of the song... not sure how to spell tohugh :lol:


the black album was unbelievable... i dont think kingdom come was that bad but its kind of a let down

[snuff]

Anyone that thinks Jay-z is the best rapper alive needs to stick to rock.

[jets future]

Anyone that thinks Jay-z is the best rapper alive needs to stick to rock.
i knew i was going to see a comment from you when i wrote that. well jay z is the best rapper alive olny way he isnt if you still think tupacs alive

Jay z >>>> rakim& nas

[yourfavestoner]

Anyone that thinks Jay-z is the best rapper alive needs to stick to rock.
i knew i was going to see a comment from you when i wrote that. well jay z is the best rapper alive olny way he isnt if you still think tupacs alive

Jay z >>>> rakim& nas

Listen to more underground rap. You'll see that a lot of the mainstream guys can't hold a candle to a lot of the underground rappers.

[jets future]

i am not into to much of old school rap well im olny 14 but i liked rap in the mid and late 90s with biggie, jay z, 2 pac, nas. i started to listen to some underground rappers but i dont think some of them cant match any where near biggie, or jay z or like nas. but underground rappers are really good lyricists

[Green Bay Scat]

If you play football and you walk out to the field, there are 2 songs you need to hear, Jim Jones We Fly High and UNK's Walk It Out. Ballin is a HUGE pump up song and Jay-z's album doesnt have one, its more for just a drive'n CD. just stick to Southern Style DJ's

[Nitschke-Hawk]

If you play football and you walk out to the field, there are 2 songs you need to hear, Jim Jones We Fly High and UNK's Walk It Out. Ballin is a HUGE pump up song and Jay-z's album doesnt have one, its more for just a drive'n CD. just stick to Southern Style DJ's

Is that really you Scott Wells, Center for the Packers?

[JPLUFF]

Jones is garbage. Enough said.

[ccB]

I do not hate the new jay z album.

[WMD]

Jim Jones is garbage.. Jay Z wins by default.

[AdrianWilson12]

i am not into to much of old school rap well im olny 14 but i liked rap in the mid and late 90s with biggie, jay z, 2 pac, nas. i started to listen to some underground rappers but i dont think some of them cant match any where near biggie, or jay z or like nas. but underground rappers are really good lyricists
Try Immortal Technique, Talib Kweli, Mos Def, Papoose, Cormega, AZ and Sway for more recent underground guys.

Nas is the best rapper dead or alive due to his effortless flow, varied subject matter, compex rhymes, voice and long, mostly consistant career. One Mic alone is enough to love this guy, even if sometimes his hooks and production let him down and have reduced his mainstream success.

Biggie had as good a talent as any rapper and either him or AZ has the best flow IMO. He had some great songs, with good productions and hooks too. Overall he was too lazy in life and combined with a early death meant that he didn't give us enough material for him to be considered in the top 3.

Most of the Jay Z I've heard is pretty poor and the sterotypical content of his raps leave a lot to be desired. The only saving grace that I've heard is some of the clever word play he used in the early part of his career. Like many mainstream artists his production is mostly good, but that isn't down to him as much as it is to the producer.

[bigbluedefense]

I hate Immortal Technique. I hate rappers that try too hard to sound smart.

Theres a misconception with rap that good rappers have to use complex vocabulary and have alot of content in their lyrics. Thats not necessarily the case.

A great rapper comes off natural, nothing is forced, everything is smooth, and it almost sounds like he's having a conversation with you. You pick up everything he's saying in the first listen. You don't have to sound all fancy to sound good. Jay-Z put it best when he said

"Cause you don't understand him, it don't mean that he nice,
It just means you don't understand all the bull---t that he write"

And its true. Alot of the stuff that these intellectual rappers spit, is just that, bull---t. Take Ras Kass for example. In his song Interview with a Vampire, he says a bunch of incorrect ****, but he plays it off like he's all smart, when in fact, he's incorrect in most of his statements. Same goes with his song "Nature of the Threat".

That doesn't mean that all "intellectual rap" is bogus though. But most is. One Mic by Nas I felt was arguably the best written song Ive ever heard. Thats a good example of intellectual rap well executed. Canibus...he's an example of it not being executed properly. Its too forced.

A great MC is not just great at putting words together, but they must have the total package.

Flow, lyrics, wittiness, versatility, personality, rap voice. Guys like Jay-Z, Andre 3000, Biggie, Nas, they are the total package. Guys like Canibus are not. His flow is garbage, and he can only make one style of rap music.

Oh and to answer the question....Jim Jones is garbage. Jay-Z all the way.

[AdrianWilson12]

I hate Immortal Technique. I hate rappers that try too hard to sound smart.

Theres a misconception with rap that good rappers have to use complex vocabulary and have alot of content in their lyrics. Thats not necessarily the case.

A great rapper comes off natural, nothing is forced, everything is smooth, and it almost sounds like he's having a conversation with you. You pick up everything he's saying in the first listen. You don't have to sound all fancy to sound good. Jay-Z put it best when he said

"Cause you don't understand him, it don't mean that he nice,
It just means you don't understand all the bull---t that he write"

And its true. Alot of the stuff that these intellectual rappers spit, is just that, bull---t. Take Ras Kass for example. In his song Interview with a Vampire, he says a bunch of incorrect ***********, but he plays it off like he's all smart, when in fact, he's incorrect in most of his statements. Same goes with his song "Nature of the Threat".

That doesn't mean that all "intellectual rap" is bogus though. But most is. One Mic by Nas I felt was arguably the best written song Ive ever heard. Thats a good example of intellectual rap well executed. Canibus...he's an example of it not being executed properly. Its too forced.

A great MC is not just great at putting words together, but they must have the total package.

Flow, lyrics, wittiness, versatility, personality, rap voice. Guys like Jay-Z, Andre 3000, Biggie, Nas, they are the total package. Guys like Canibus are not. His flow is garbage, and he can only make one style of rap music.

Regretably, I disagree with most of which you said, but thats mainly due to fundermental differences rather than you having a poor argument. If I wasn't a big fan of the subgenre you describe as "interllectual" rap, objectively I could see where you were coming from.

For me music starts and ends with the lyrics. The hook and production contribute for about 30% of my opinion on any song. The lyrics are determined by complexity, flow and overall message. Without flow it sucks as music and should be left for poetry. Without a message the song a purpose for listening to it. Without complexity their is nothing that seperates it from other songs. I listen to music not to relax but to encage.

Immortal Technique is an excellent rapper, his interlect aside. He has natural flow, either at a fast or slow pace. He is a good battle rapper, proved by the fact he has won the majority of his freestyles. Rapping really comes naturally to him. This doesn't set him apart though, he is clearly a rapper that appeals to fans of political rap.

Rappers like 50 Cent, Jay Z and Snoop Dogg are just all the same and in not thinking about their music they are basically copying about 50 other songs with each of their tracks. I don't care how they are saying it, what they are saying is mostly boring. Flow alone shouldn't get them as far as they do. Opinions shouldn't be based on success or Media bias.

As Tech says "Going platinum has nothing to do with luck it just means a million people are stupid as...."

[snuff]

So amazing metaphors are bad "forced" rap.

I guess well compare that to books also and say people like Hawthorne, Shelly, Shakespear, and what not are all forcing there writing, and we should be studying Tom Clancy and Harry Potter because it reads effortlessly. I like your reasoning.

You can argue that Aesop Rock is over done forced, but Canibus and Immortal Technique? Give me a break.

[ccB]

Immortal Technique is nice. Dance with the Devil is one of my favorite Story Raps of all time.




PS I hate Aesop Rock!

[bigbluedefense]

I hate Immortal Technique. I hate rappers that try too hard to sound smart.

Theres a misconception with rap that good rappers have to use complex vocabulary and have alot of content in their lyrics. Thats not necessarily the case.

A great rapper comes off natural, nothing is forced, everything is smooth, and it almost sounds like he's having a conversation with you. You pick up everything he's saying in the first listen. You don't have to sound all fancy to sound good. Jay-Z put it best when he said

"Cause you don't understand him, it don't mean that he nice,
It just means you don't understand all the bull---t that he write"

And its true. Alot of the stuff that these intellectual rappers spit, is just that, bull---t. Take Ras Kass for example. In his song Interview with a Vampire, he says a bunch of incorrect ***********, but he plays it off like he's all smart, when in fact, he's incorrect in most of his statements. Same goes with his song "Nature of the Threat".

That doesn't mean that all "intellectual rap" is bogus though. But most is. One Mic by Nas I felt was arguably the best written song Ive ever heard. Thats a good example of intellectual rap well executed. Canibus...he's an example of it not being executed properly. Its too forced.

A great MC is not just great at putting words together, but they must have the total package.

Flow, lyrics, wittiness, versatility, personality, rap voice. Guys like Jay-Z, Andre 3000, Biggie, Nas, they are the total package. Guys like Canibus are not. His flow is garbage, and he can only make one style of rap music.

Regretably, I disagree with most of which you said, but thats mainly due to fundermental differences rather than you having a poor argument. If I wasn't a big fan of the subgenre you describe as "interllectual" rap, objectively I could see where you were coming from.

For me music starts and ends with the lyrics. The hook and production contribute for about 30% of my opinion on any song. The lyrics are determined by complexity, flow and overall message. Without flow it sucks as music and should be left for poetry. Without a message the song a purpose for listening to it. Without complexity their is nothing that seperates it from other songs. I listen to music not to relax but to encage.

Immortal Technique is an excellent rapper, his interlect aside. He has natural flow, either at a fast or slow pace. He is a good battle rapper, proved by the fact he has won the majority of his freestyles. Rapping really comes naturally to him. This doesn't set him apart though, he is clearly a rapper that appeals to fans of political rap.

Rappers like 50 Cent, Jay Z and Snoop Dogg are just all the same and in not thinking about their music they are basically copying about 50 other songs with each of their tracks. I don't care how they are saying it, what they are saying is mostly boring. Flow alone shouldn't get them as far as they do. Opinions shouldn't be based on success or Media bias.

As Tech says "Going platinum has nothing to do with luck it just means a million people are stupid as...."

I don't want to sound like Im a commercial follower, because honestly Im not. I listen to Cunninlynguists, Joe Budden, Royce 5 9, Raekwon (who's surprisingly underground nowadays) etc. Its just that, to me, it has to sound good moreso than convey a message.

Making a point in a rap is fine, as long as it comes naturally. If its forced, then it lacks influence because its like youre trying too hard. Thats the impression I get. Sometimes we take music too seriously. Its music, not a history class. If your whole album is the same type of politically based song, then its not a good album. It lacks variety, and can get redundant. I don't want it to be lovey dovey either, Im just saying sometimes you gotta switch the flow up, and alot of underground rappers sometimes fail to get that point.

I love Cunninlynguists, but even them, sometimes they go too far trying to make it sound underground instead of just letting the music take its course. Its hard to explain.

[ccB]

I hate Immortal Technique. I hate rappers that try too hard to sound smart.

Theres a misconception with rap that good rappers have to use complex vocabulary and have alot of content in their lyrics. Thats not necessarily the case.

A great rapper comes off natural, nothing is forced, everything is smooth, and it almost sounds like he's having a conversation with you. You pick up everything he's saying in the first listen. You don't have to sound all fancy to sound good. Jay-Z put it best when he said

"Cause you don't understand him, it don't mean that he nice,
It just means you don't understand all the bull---t that he write"

And its true. Alot of the stuff that these intellectual rappers spit, is just that, bull---t. Take Ras Kass for example. In his song Interview with a Vampire, he says a bunch of incorrect ***********, but he plays it off like he's all smart, when in fact, he's incorrect in most of his statements. Same goes with his song "Nature of the Threat".

That doesn't mean that all "intellectual rap" is bogus though. But most is. One Mic by Nas I felt was arguably the best written song Ive ever heard. Thats a good example of intellectual rap well executed. Canibus...he's an example of it not being executed properly. Its too forced.

A great MC is not just great at putting words together, but they must have the total package.

Flow, lyrics, wittiness, versatility, personality, rap voice. Guys like Jay-Z, Andre 3000, Biggie, Nas, they are the total package. Guys like Canibus are not. His flow is garbage, and he can only make one style of rap music.

Regretably, I disagree with most of which you said, but thats mainly due to fundermental differences rather than you having a poor argument. If I wasn't a big fan of the subgenre you describe as "interllectual" rap, objectively I could see where you were coming from.

For me music starts and ends with the lyrics. The hook and production contribute for about 30% of my opinion on any song. The lyrics are determined by complexity, flow and overall message. Without flow it sucks as music and should be left for poetry. Without a message the song a purpose for listening to it. Without complexity their is nothing that seperates it from other songs. I listen to music not to relax but to encage.

Immortal Technique is an excellent rapper, his interlect aside. He has natural flow, either at a fast or slow pace. He is a good battle rapper, proved by the fact he has won the majority of his freestyles. Rapping really comes naturally to him. This doesn't set him apart though, he is clearly a rapper that appeals to fans of political rap.

Rappers like 50 Cent, Jay Z and Snoop Dogg are just all the same and in not thinking about their music they are basically copying about 50 other songs with each of their tracks. I don't care how they are saying it, what they are saying is mostly boring. Flow alone shouldn't get them as far as they do. Opinions shouldn't be based on success or Media bias.

As Tech says "Going platinum has nothing to do with luck it just means a million people are stupid as...."

I don't want to sound like Im a commercial follower, because honestly Im not. I listen to Cunninlynguists, Joe Budden, Royce 5 9, Raekwon (who's surprisingly underground nowadays) etc. Its just that, to me, it has to sound good moreso than convey a message.

Making a point in a rap is fine, as long as it comes naturally. If its forced, then it lacks influence because its like youre trying too hard. Thats the impression I get. Sometimes we take music too seriously. Its music, not a history class. If your whole album is the same type of politically based song, then its not a good album. It lacks variety, and can get redundant. I don't want it to be lovey dovey either, Im just saying sometimes you gotta switch the flow up, and alot of underground rappers sometimes fail to get that point.

I love Cunninlynguists, but even them, sometimes they go too far trying to make it sound underground instead of just letting the music take its course. Its hard to explain.I love Royce, Ive been trying to get snuff to listen to him for a while. Joe BUdden is severly underrated too.

[snuff]

How can you not want a history and then like Cunninlynguists? Nearly 1/2 of there music is laced with historical references of the bible and other stuff.. Not to mention there best song ever written, Seasons, is a huge metaphor, but you probably don't like it because its forced.

If you don't want to listen to music for a meaning stick to the good all Paul Wall, Mike Jones, and othere good mainstream rappers.

[WhisperSeek]

Jay z >>>> rakim& nas

When it comes to legacy? Yes.

Lyrically? Hell no.


Nas and Rakim are the greatest lyricists to ever breathe.

[jets future]

How can you not want a history and then like Cunninlynguists? Nearly 1/2 of there music is laced with historical references of the bible and other stuff.. Not to mention there best song ever written, Seasons, is a huge metaphor, but you probably don't like it because its forced.

If you don't want to listen to music for a meaning stick to the good all Paul Wall, Mike Jones, and othere good mainstream rappers.
are u serious? paul wall is terrible rapper he is another vanilla ice. and mike jones wtf. thoses are very good sugestions. :roll:
50 cent is a better rapper than paul wall . and 50 cent comes out with much better music than paul wall or mike jones

[snuff]

How can you not want a history and then like Cunninlynguists? Nearly 1/2 of there music is laced with historical references of the bible and other stuff.. Not to mention there best song ever written, Seasons, is a huge metaphor, but you probably don't like it because its forced.

If you don't want to listen to music for a meaning stick to the good all Paul Wall, Mike Jones, and othere good mainstream rappers.
are u serious? paul wall is terrible rapper he is another vanilla ice. and mike jones wtf. thoses are very good sugestions. :roll:
50 cent is a better rapper than paul wall . and 50 cent comes out with much better music than paul wall or mike jones Someone can't detect sarcasm.

[jets future]

Jay z >>>> rakim& nas

When it comes to legacy? Yes.

Lyrically? Hell no.


Nas and Rakim are the greatest lyricists to ever breathe.
jay z all ways comes out with awsome music, and he is the most consistent rappers ever, thats what tops him off rakim and nas.yeah rakim and nas are better lyrically but who is more consistent

[jets future]

How can you not want a history and then like Cunninlynguists? Nearly 1/2 of there music is laced with historical references of the bible and other stuff.. Not to mention there best song ever written, Seasons, is a huge metaphor, but you probably don't like it because its forced.

If you don't want to listen to music for a meaning stick to the good all Paul Wall, Mike Jones, and othere good mainstream rappers.
are u serious? paul wall is terrible rapper he is another vanilla ice. and mike jones wtf. thoses are very good sugestions. :roll:
50 cent is a better rapper than paul wall . and 50 cent comes out with much better music than paul wall or mike jones Someone can't detect sarcasm.
well its hard to detect sarcasm through a computer,

[snuff]

Jay z >>>> rakim& nas

When it comes to legacy? Yes.

Lyrically? Hell no.


Nas and Rakim are the greatest lyricists to ever breathe.
jay z all ways comes out with awsome music, and he is the most consistent rappers ever, thats what tops him off rakim and nas.yeah rakim and nas are better lyrically but who is more consistent I don't know about that. I mean Jay-z has really dropped off since Reasonable doubt. On the other hand G-unit has been consistently bad, so I think they are the best.

[jets future]

Jay z >>>> rakim& nas

When it comes to legacy? Yes.

Lyrically? Hell no.


Nas and Rakim are the greatest lyricists to ever breathe.
jay z all ways comes out with awsome music, and he is the most consistent rappers ever, thats what tops him off rakim and nas.yeah rakim and nas are better lyrically but who is more consistent I don't know about that. I mean Jay-z has really dropped off since Reasonable doubt. On the other hand G-unit has been consistently bad, so I think they are the best.
well before 2007 you wont be able to say that g-unit ihas been consistenly bad, cus bucks comin out with a new album, scrappy, hot rod, banks, and 50 is coming out with a new albumn in 07.
i heard scrappy and lloyds albumn and there pretty hot

[draftguru151]

Immortal Technique and Sage Francis are the only rappers I listen to. I really hate mainstream rap, all I want is someone who raps about stuff that makes sense and has a good beat. Positive Balance is probably my favorite song by Immortal Technique

Jay z >>>> rakim& nas

When it comes to legacy? Yes.

Lyrically? Hell no.


Nas and Rakim are the greatest lyricists to ever breathe.
jay z all ways comes out with awsome music, and he is the most consistent rappers ever, thats what tops him off rakim and nas.yeah rakim and nas are better lyrically but who is more consistent I don't know about that. I mean Jay-z has really dropped off since Reasonable doubt. On the other hand G-unit has been consistently bad, so I think they are the best.
well before 2007 you wont be able to say that g-unit ihas been consistenly bad, cus bucks comin out with a new album, scrappy, hot rod, banks, and 50 is coming out with a new albumn in 07.
i heard scrappy and lloyds albumn and there pretty hot

Oh they're releasing albums, that makes them good rappers. :roll:

[duckseason]

Immortal Technique and Sage Francis are the only rappers I listen to. I really hate mainstream rap, all I want is someone who raps about stuff that makes sense and has a good beat. Positive Balance is probably my favorite song by Immortal Technique

Bum with a banjo >>> Mainstream rap

[jets future]

Jay z >>>> rakim& nas

When it comes to legacy? Yes.

Lyrically? Hell no.


Nas and Rakim are the greatest lyricists to ever breathe.
jay z all ways comes out with awsome music, and he is the most consistent rappers ever, thats what tops him off rakim and nas.yeah rakim and nas are better lyrically but who is more consistent I don't know about that. I mean Jay-z has really dropped off since Reasonable doubt. On the other hand G-unit has been consistently bad, so I think they are the best.
well before 2007 you wont be able to say that g-unit ihas been consistenly bad, cus bucks comin out with a new album, scrappy, hot rod, banks, and 50 is coming out with a new albumn in 07.
i heard scrappy and lloyds albumn and there pretty hot

Oh they're releasing albums, that makes them good rappers. :roll:
wait and see

[bigbluedefense]

How can you not want a history and then like Cunninlynguists? Nearly 1/2 of there music is laced with historical references of the bible and other stuff.. Not to mention there best song ever written, Seasons, is a huge metaphor, but you probably don't like it because its forced.

If you don't want to listen to music for a meaning stick to the good all Paul Wall, Mike Jones, and othere good mainstream rappers.

But its not forced. They do it naturally, it just flows with what theyre trying to accomplish. And theyre versatile. Not all their songs are like that. Listen to "A Piece of Strange". Its hard to explain, but some rappers try to sound intellectual and force it, to others it comes naturally.

[jets future]

why does mostly every body on this board doesent like mainstream rap, i v never met this many people that like underground rap than mainstream rap

[bigbluedefense]

why does mostly every body on this board doesent like mainstream rap, i v never met this many people that like underground rap than mainstream rap

How can you like mainstream rap when "Chain Hang Low" is in the top 10? Seriously...how did that dude even get a record deal?

[snuff]

How can you not want a history and then like Cunninlynguists? Nearly 1/2 of there music is laced with historical references of the bible and other stuff.. Not to mention there best song ever written, Seasons, is a huge metaphor, but you probably don't like it because its forced.

If you don't want to listen to music for a meaning stick to the good all Paul Wall, Mike Jones, and othere good mainstream rappers.

But its not forced. They do it naturally, it just flows with what theyre trying to accomplish. And theyre versatile. Not all their songs are like that. Listen to "A Piece of Strange". Its hard to explain, but some rappers try to sound intellectual and force it, to others it comes naturally. How can you say they force it? Because there flow isn't amazing? So if someone has a good flow and they take 3 years to write a verse they are good, because it doesn't sound forced?

I don't know how it seems forced either. Unless angry = forced.

[duckseason]

why does mostly every body on this board doesent like mainstream rap, i v never met this many people that like underground rap than mainstream rap

Ever notice how most people who love underground now, were first turned on to rap through the mainstream? You rarely see people jump from listening to underground to listening to mainstream exclusively. That would be like man turning into monkey. Don't worry, eventually your taste in music will evolve as well.

[draftguru151]

why does mostly every body on this board doesent like mainstream rap, i v never met this many people that like underground rap than mainstream rap

Ever notice how most people who love underground now, were first turned on to rap through the mainstream? You rarely see people jump from listening to underground to listening to mainstream exclusively. That would be like man turning into monkey. Don't worry, eventually your taste in music will evolve as well.

I am not one of those.

[bigbluedefense]

How can you not want a history and then like Cunninlynguists? Nearly 1/2 of there music is laced with historical references of the bible and other stuff.. Not to mention there best song ever written, Seasons, is a huge metaphor, but you probably don't like it because its forced.

If you don't want to listen to music for a meaning stick to the good all Paul Wall, Mike Jones, and othere good mainstream rappers.

But its not forced. They do it naturally, it just flows with what theyre trying to accomplish. And theyre versatile. Not all their songs are like that. Listen to "A Piece of Strange". Its hard to explain, but some rappers try to sound intellectual and force it, to others it comes naturally. How can you say they force it? Because there flow isn't amazing? So if someone has a good flow and they take 3 years to write a verse they are good, because it doesn't sound forced?

I don't know how it seems forced either. Unless angry = forced.

Lol, why are you getting so mad? Its just music, youre taking it way too seriously.

Something sounds forced when you try to make it sound more complex than it has to be. Take writing essays for example. You can go back and take every adjective in your essay and replace it with a fancier word. However, most writers will tell you that doing that is dumb and incorrect because youre forcing it, and you come off not sounding as smooth, and indirectly dulling your point.

Same with rap, it doesn't have to sound complex to be good. Some of the best lyrics Ive ever heard used basic words, but spoke them in a way that got the message across clearly and directly.

Too many rappers nowadays are throwing meaningless punchlines into their raps. It sounds all nice at first, but it has nothing to do with anything, and often times just thrown in without any important relation to the message being conveyed. Thats another example of forced lyrics. Punchlines are fine, but if every other bar has a punchline, now you forced it. Get what Im trying to say?

[jets future]

why does mostly every body on this board doesent like mainstream rap, i v never met this many people that like underground rap than mainstream rap

How can you like mainstream rap when "Chain Hang Low" is in the top 10? Seriously...how did that dude even get a record deal?
well i olny listen to east coast rap i hate the dirty south they killed rap
people like lil wayne and t.i they have destroyed the word rap

but dont worry guys new york is back and we are going to bring rap to its good old days

[TH3]

I see this rap thread going where so many have in the past....

[duckseason]

why does mostly every body on this board doesent like mainstream rap, i v never met this many people that like underground rap than mainstream rap

Ever notice how most people who love underground now, were first turned on to rap through the mainstream? You rarely see people jump from listening to underground to listening to mainstream exclusively. That would be like man turning into monkey. Don't worry, eventually your taste in music will evolve as well.

I am not one of those.

Yeah, but most were. Like how snuff used to listen to G-unit until he found good music. I guess "turned on" wouldn't be the correct term. I should say that most people first hear rap through the mainstream, and then once they hear some of the hidden gems, they almost always prefer the underground stuff. Point being that the stream of peoples taste generally flows toward underground, and away from pop-rap.

[snuff]

I am not getting mad, that is my personality. To hate people that make no sense.

Anyway lets hear these great lines with lack of fancy words.

[jets future]

why does mostly every body on this board doesent like mainstream rap, i v never met this many people that like underground rap than mainstream rap

Ever notice how most people who love underground now, were first turned on to rap through the mainstream? You rarely see people jump from listening to underground to listening to mainstream exclusively. That would be like man turning into monkey. Don't worry, eventually your taste in music will evolve as well.

I am not one of those.

Yeah, but most were. Like how snuff used to listen to G-unit until he found good music. I guess "turned on" wouldn't be the correct term. I should say that most people first hear rap through the mainstream, and then once they hear some of the hidden gems, they almost always prefer the underground stuff. Point being that the stream of peoples taste generally flows toward underground, and away from pop-rap.
snuff stills listens to g-unit,
he doesent want to tell any body but money in the bank is top of his play list

[snuff]

Only time I listen to G-unit is when my suite mate plays it really loud and forces me to listen to it. I have none on my computer personally.

[duckseason]

why does mostly every body on this board doesent like mainstream rap, i v never met this many people that like underground rap than mainstream rap

Ever notice how most people who love underground now, were first turned on to rap through the mainstream? You rarely see people jump from listening to underground to listening to mainstream exclusively. That would be like man turning into monkey. Don't worry, eventually your taste in music will evolve as well.

I am not one of those.

Yeah, but most were. Like how snuff used to listen to G-unit until he found good music. I guess "turned on" wouldn't be the correct term. I should say that most people first hear rap through the mainstream, and then once they hear some of the hidden gems, they almost always prefer the underground stuff. Point being that the stream of peoples taste generally flows toward underground, and away from pop-rap.
snuff stills listens to g-unit,

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Okay, but who are his favorite rappers?

[bigbluedefense]

I am not getting mad, that is my personality. To hate people that make no sense.

Anyway lets hear these great lines with lack of fancy words.

Some of the most powerful rap lyrics were simple in verbeage, but displayed an underlying interpetation that you could feel. The words had a powerful impact together in the manner the rapper said them. They didn't have to be complex to convey their point.

"When I was twelve, I went to hell for snuffing Jesus"

"Trees bright and green turn yellow/brown, autumn caught em, see all them leaves must fall down"

I can go on and on, but you get the point. Its not the verbeage, its how you use it.

Those lyrics might not sound too nice on their own, but in the context of their songs, they were great.

[jets future]

why does mostly every body on this board doesent like mainstream rap, i v never met this many people that like underground rap than mainstream rap

Ever notice how most people who love underground now, were first turned on to rap through the mainstream? You rarely see people jump from listening to underground to listening to mainstream exclusively. That would be like man turning into monkey. Don't worry, eventually your taste in music will evolve as well.

I am not one of those.

Yeah, but most were. Like how snuff used to listen to G-unit until he found good music. I guess "turned on" wouldn't be the correct term. I should say that most people first hear rap through the mainstream, and then once they hear some of the hidden gems, they almost always prefer the underground stuff. Point being that the stream of peoples taste generally flows toward underground, and away from pop-rap.
snuff stills listens to g-unit,

Okay, but who are his favorite rappers?
inacbus, lil wayne, 50 cent, immortal technique, lloyd banks, pharoe monch, tony yayo

[snuff]

I am not getting mad, that is my personality. To hate people that make no sense.

Anyway lets hear these great lines with lack of fancy words.

Some of the most powerful rap lyrics were simple in verbeage, but displayed an underlying interpetation that you could feel. The words had a powerful impact together in the manner the rapper said them. They didn't have to be complex to convey their point.

"When I was twelve, I went to hell for snuffing Jesus"

"Trees bright and green turn yellow/brown, autumn caught em, see all them leaves must fall down"

I can go on and on, but you get the point. Its not the verbeage, its how you use it.

Those lyrics might not sound too nice on their own, but in the context of their songs, they were great.

The first line is awful, although I dn the song.

The second ones from Seasons, which is a huge metaphor which is a big punch line, which constitutes as something you hate I thought.

[bigbluedefense]

I am not getting mad, that is my personality. To hate people that make no sense.

Anyway lets hear these great lines with lack of fancy words.

Some of the most powerful rap lyrics were simple in verbeage, but displayed an underlying interpetation that you could feel. The words had a powerful impact together in the manner the rapper said them. They didn't have to be complex to convey their point.

"When I was twelve, I went to hell for snuffing Jesus"

"Trees bright and green turn yellow/brown, autumn caught em, see all them leaves must fall down"

I can go on and on, but you get the point. Its not the verbeage, its how you use it.

Those lyrics might not sound too nice on their own, but in the context of their songs, they were great.

The first line is awful, although I dn the song.

The second ones from Seasons, which is a huge metaphor which is a big punch line, which constitutes as something you hate I thought.

Its from "Growing Old" by Outkast, later sampled by Cunninlynguists.

And no, I love lines like that. But it has to be used in good taste. Don't oversaturate your lyric with it, because it then takes away from its meaning.

[snuff]

Oh.

Anyway so you don't like these types of lyrics?

"I jerk off inside books and give life to words/
Leaving concepts stuck together you probably never heard"

"The bling-bling era was cute but it's about to be done/
I leave ya full of clipse like the moon blocking the sun/
my metaphors are dirty like herpes but harder to catch"

"I'm the sickest linguistically, illicit lyrical misfit, in the business
And probably in existence. What's your consensus?"

"Ass streatch wider than Jim Carrey's mouth when he laughs
You might as well smoke a cigarrette while you huff gas
Facin' me is dummer than using fingernail clippers to cut grass "

[jets future]

mos def and pharoe monch to me are the best underground rappers, but no where near the level of biggie, and jay z

[draftguru151]

Oh.

Anyway so you don't like these types of lyrics?

"I jerk off inside books and give life to words/
Leaving concepts stuck together you probably never heard"

"The bling-bling era was cute but it's about to be done/
I leave ya full of clipse like the moon blocking the sun/
my metaphors are dirty like herpes but harder to catch"

"I'm the sickest linguistically, illicit lyrical misfit, in the business
And probably in existence. What's your consensus?"

"Ass streatch wider than Jim Carrey's mouth when he laughs
You might as well smoke a cigarrette while you huff gas
Facin' me is dummer than using fingernail clippers to cut grass "

What songs are the last three to?

[duckseason]

Just reminded me of something.
Not sure if you guys have seen this yet, but it's hilarious.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=MlkoWnEfVRo

[bigbluedefense]

Oh.

Anyway so you don't like these types of lyrics?

"I jerk off inside books and give life to words/
Leaving concepts stuck together you probably never heard"

"The bling-bling era was cute but it's about to be done/
I leave ya full of clipse like the moon blocking the sun/
my metaphors are dirty like herpes but harder to catch"

"I'm the sickest linguistically, illicit lyrical misfit, in the business
And probably in existence. What's your consensus?"

"Ass streatch wider than Jim Carrey's mouth when he laughs
You might as well smoke a cigarrette while you huff gas
Facin' me is dummer than using fingernail clippers to cut grass "

For a mixtape/freestyle theyre fine. For an album song, its too much, because it won't flow with the content of the lyric, unless the message of the lyric is "look how dope I sound"

Thats why you see alot of mixtape rappers fail when making albums. It takes a different tune to go from freestyling to making a song. Freestyling, you can say whatever, you can go whereever with your bars, but when you make a song, you gotta have lyrics that are direct. A punchline is fine as long as the whole lyric isn't just bar after bar of punchlines. You can only do that on freestyles, not on an actual song.

[snuff]

One of them is from cunninlynguist's cd.

[jets future]

jim jones and jay z is nothing but a beef that is starting to happen is the east coast and the south. nas album is hip hop is dead, well t.i and lil wayne are angry about this and they had some stuff to say about new york talkin **** about the south

[Paul]

I like Jay-z but I don't think he could drop some **** like these:

Inspectah Deck
I bomb atomically, Socrates' philosophies
and hypothesis can't define how I be droppin these
mockeries, lyrically perform armed robbery
Flee with the lottery, possibly they spotted me
Battle-scarred shogun, explosion when my pen hits
tremendous, ultra-violet shine blind forensics


Nas
Before a blunt, I take out my fronts
Then I start to front, matter of fact, I be on a manhunt
You couldn't catch me in the streets without a ton of reefer
That's like Malcom X catching the Jungle Fever


Mos-Def
What, lyrically handsome, call collect a king's ransom
Jams I write soon become the ghetto anthem
Way out like Bruce Wayne's mansion, move like a phantom
You'll talk about me to your grandsons

[JPLUFF]

Me personally, I'd rather buy the new Clipse CD than Jay Z's or Jim Jones'

[AdrianWilson12]

I must admit I did like mainstream rap at first, and still do like it in parts. I can proudly say I've always hated G Units music (apart from Young Buck who is poor rather than terrible). But here in Britain hip hop is a lot less popular, with underground guys I like almost unheard of by anyone I've met. Here, Grime and Garage are almost as popular as American hip hop. Lets put it this way out of 250 people in my year at school I'd be surprised if 10 ranked it as their favourite genre.

I do agree that East coast rap is the best geographical area of hip hop, by far IMO. In fact I'd argue that NY alone is better than the rest of the country combined.

Is the Clipse album any good? I've read good reviews but I'm cautious to get it as apparently it is entirely based on crack, which I can handle in moderation, but excessively I fear the tracks might be too similar.

Some of my favourite lyrics:
"Hit the Earth like a comet, invasion
Nas is like the Afrocentric Asian, half-man, half-amazin"
Nas - It Ain't Hard To Tell

"The system break man child and women into figures
Two columns for who is, and who ain't ******
Numbers is hardly real and they never have feelings
but you push too hard, even numbers got limits
Why did one straw break the camel's back? Here's the secret:
the million other straws underneath it"
Mos Def - Mathematics

"I felt like a moth who got himself too close to the light
Except I didn't burn, I turned cold after that night"
Immortal Technique - You Never Know

[yo123]

Oh.

Anyway so you don't like these types of lyrics?

"I jerk off inside books and give life to words/
Leaving concepts stuck together you probably never heard"

"The bling-bling era was cute but it's about to be done/
I leave ya full of clipse like the moon blocking the sun/
my metaphors are dirty like herpes but harder to catch"

"I'm the sickest linguistically, illicit lyrical misfit, in the business
And probably in existence. What's your consensus?"

"Ass streatch wider than Jim Carrey's mouth when he laughs
You might as well smoke a cigarrette while you huff gas
Facin' me is dummer than using fingernail clippers to cut grass "



Industrial Revolution is the sickest song i have ever heard.

Jim Jones is so garbage. he has shuch S**T lyrics and all he can make are party tracks. This shouldnt be a subject. NAS vs Jay-Z now thats a debate. Or D-BLOCK vs. G-UNIT