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TacticaLion
06-11-2007, 06:06 PM
I know I said I was gonna stay off these boards (mainly due to such pointless threads as these (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10269), as well as unreasonably negative comments from many "Lions fans" on these forums), but this Shaun Rogers situation has brought me back. I've gotta see how others feel about this.

I mentioned a few weeks ago that we should trade Shaun Rogers for a pick and/or player and continue to build the team under the "Marinelli"-way. His stock was high and we've got a few of the pieces to rebuild the position (Redding, Cody and IAF, who could probably be a beast as a DT).

Now we need to just cut him. Forget about him. Cut our losses. Move on. I'm currently stationed in Cincinnati, OH, and have had the pleasure of harassing the Bengal’s fans on their current streak of arrests... and was proud that a Lion hadn't done something stupid. And here we are.

I'd rather have a team of hard working, dedicated football players (that lack talent) than a team of selfish, whiney, talented individuals who happen to play football. Marinelli... you gave us a mindset and a perspective... show how important that perspective is and (finally) get rid of him.

PACKmanN
06-11-2007, 06:14 PM
He like a top 5 or 10 run stopping DT and you want to trade him? i know he has had his ups and downs because of his attitude but he still a beast in the middle.

TacticaLion
06-11-2007, 06:25 PM
He like a top 5 or 10 run stopping DT and you want to trade him? i know he has had his ups and downs because of his attitude but he still a beast in the middle.
Dre' "I ***** a lot" Bly was a better overall CB than what we have. But, he didn't fit the team, so we traded him. Shaun Rogers' mentality doesn't fit the team, so he should be gone.

Xiomera
06-11-2007, 06:45 PM
I said to trade him before the draft. I stand by that.

ShutDwn
06-11-2007, 06:50 PM
Some Defensive Tackles all seem to be big whiney *******. The Panthers have their own problem with Jenkins right now.. Sometimes it just doesn't seem like they are even part of the team.

brat316
06-11-2007, 07:09 PM
dont forget Darwin Walker being whiney. If Rogers is going to be suspended becuase of the new policy, trade his ass before people find out. Or if he isnt make him play a game or two to show people that he still is good. Then trade him for a high pick 2 rd hell maybe 1st.

As for Jenkins who wants an ageing DT thats wants to be paid as the top 3 DT. Top 10 or 15 okay. But he still is only 7yrs in the league so still has time, maybe Buffalo will trade for him.

Then again they may not want that same situation again like the walker trade. Unless they do where they trade for him if he doesnt show up they get a higher pick in return.

Bootland27
06-11-2007, 10:28 PM
I know I said I was gonna stay off these boards (mainly due to such pointless threads as these (http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10269),

OK. maybe he doesn't have to say "we gotta win 10 games," but if he (one of our best players) doesn't think that they'll be better than last year, how exactly are you supposed to get excited about that?

TheMadLionsFan
06-12-2007, 10:33 AM
the favts haven't come out and you are ready to bury him....honestly...I'm waiting for a conviction.....and its funny....you act like he is predicate felon....so what he hasn't been enthusiastic the past couple season....and even in that state of mind he has still been there best d lineman...I really don't care about character....because you don't know these players...just win....thats all I care about

"Winning isn't everything but its the only thing." - Vince Lombardi

Addict
06-12-2007, 12:47 PM
the favts haven't come out and you are ready to bury him....honestly...I'm waiting for a conviction.....and its funny....you act like he is predicate felon....so what he hasn't been enthusiastic the past couple season....and even in that state of mind he has still been there best d lineman...I really don't care about character....because you don't know these players...just win....thats all I care about

"Winning isn't everything but its the only thing." - Vince Lombardi

http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/DET/10221953 here's what we know so far.

And Rogers has been a whiny piece of garbage for a while now, I agree we should get rid of him.

And take it easy... one the period key... cause not only does it make your stuff hard to read...it's also....annoying...

TheMadLionsFan
06-12-2007, 01:49 PM
[QUOTE=Addict;447644]http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/DET/10221953 here's what we know so far.

And Rogers has been a whiny piece of garbage for a while now, I agree we should get rid of him.

[QUOTE]


LMAO @ WANTING TO CUT A PLAYER FOR WHINING.....and you KNOW nothing.....only what is being reported.....hasn't the Duke Lacrosse thing taught you nothing....please....I'll wait for a conviction....

fans are so sensitive.....the wussification of America continues...

detroit4life
06-12-2007, 01:51 PM
no thats so stupid the strength of this team is in that front four and thats where our defense is going to start if our front 4 fails our defense will fail. Cutting our best player on that front four will only hurt our team

TheMadLionsFan
06-12-2007, 01:54 PM
no thats so stupid the strength of this team is in that front four and thats where our defense is going to start if our front 4 fails our defense will fail. Cutting our best player on that front four will only hurt our team

Tell that to our righteous armchair fans....

Smokey Joe
06-12-2007, 01:55 PM
send him to the Bears... JA will give you guys a cookie.

TheMadLionsFan
06-12-2007, 02:08 PM
oh and another thing....for all of you b!tching about this situation and his attitude....remember even though Cory Redding had a career year.....the run defense shot to sh!t when Shaun Rogers went down....bet your run defense on the rookie IAF if you wish...why?....when I have a sure thing?

Addict
06-12-2007, 02:09 PM
http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/DET/10221953 here's what we know so far.

And Rogers has been a whiny piece of garbage for a while now, I agree we should get rid of him.




LMAO @ WANTING TO CUT A PLAYER FOR WHINING.....and you KNOW nothing.....only what is being reported.....hasn't the Duke Lacrosse thing taught you nothing....please....I'll wait for a conviction....

fans are so sensitive.....the wussification of America continues...

I fixed your post for you, quoting's hard, I know.

Anyways. First of all, Shaun Rogers is a disruptive player and I hope this is nothing, because him leaving will hurt the team, but by the same token I'd rather have some guys up there willing to give it 110%, but that's preference I suppose.

I'm not sensitive, I just don't think we should sell out on integrity to get a few wins, and don't worry I'm not American, so the 'wussification' really isn't all that bad.

LionSmack
06-12-2007, 02:09 PM
Recently, I got on Falcons fans for having their heads in the sand about Vick, but I think we know that when women and especially strippers are involved, you can't be too careful about making sure you find out the facts.

TheMadLionsFan
06-12-2007, 02:15 PM
[QUOTE=Addict;447845]I fixed your post for you, quoting's hard, I know.

Anyways. First of all, Shaun Rogers is a disruptive player and I hope this is nothing, [QUOTE]

He has been playing for a team that is trash since he was drafted....and I seriously doubt his attitudeis a reason why the Lions haven't "turned the corner"...hmmm the way you talk about him....kinda reminds me of Corey Dillon

Addict
06-12-2007, 02:16 PM
I fixed your post for you, quoting's hard, I know.

Anyways. First of all, Shaun Rogers is a disruptive player and I hope this is nothing,

He has been playing for a team that is trash since he was drafted....and I seriously doubt his attitudeis a reason why the Lions haven't "turned the corner"...hmmm the way you talk about him....kinda reminds me of Corey Dillon

try to close your quotes. [/quote] is the code.

Maybe Next Year Millen2
06-12-2007, 02:22 PM
Trading/Cutting Rogers I think would give us a 3.6 million cap hit this year(from his bonus) less his salary of 1.5 million for a total loss of 2.1 million on this years cap. Also we would have a 3.6 million cap hit in 2008 because it is after June 1 and Rogers 7.2 million bonus left to be allocated would be accelerated and split over 2 years. I don't know if we have enough cap room right now to do anything with him.

Rogers has a lot of issues, weight/supplement suspension, work ethic/lack of consistency, and he is coming off a knee surgery. Rogers is incredibly talented though. Talented enough that even Marinelli won't get rid of him, despite him not being a "Marinelli type". Rogers dominated Week 1 last year but slowly fizzled until the Bills game and then he got suspended. He does make our run game better and the possibility of him playing next to Redding is very intriguing to see what they could do. If our Ends were better, Redding was actually under contract, Cody wasn't coming off an injury plagued season with little depth behind him, then I would be all for letting Rogers go. But right now, its sad to say we need him.

TacticaLion
06-12-2007, 05:05 PM
no thats so stupid the strength of this team is in that front four and thats where our defense is going to start if our front 4 fails our defense will fail. Cutting our best player on that front four will only hurt our team
Oh please. Having our "best player" suspended for sexually assaulting a stripper wont help our team either. I'd rather a) trade him and get something for him (if he's as good as you say, someone will trade for him), or b) cut him and know that our team doesn't tolerate such stupid acts (players) as these (him).

Note: Strip clubs and weapons... which players come to mind? Pacman Jones and Marcus Vick? Great company. (At least it didn't happen on a boat.)

Tell that to our righteous armchair fans....If expressing my opinion on an internet forum makes me a "righteous armchair fan", you're exactly the same thing. It was either a horrible insult or a pointless comment to make... both are useless.

TheMadLionsFan
06-12-2007, 06:00 PM
Oh please. Having our "best player" suspended for sexually assaulting a stripper wont help our team either. I'd rather a) trade him and get something for him (if he's as good as you say, someone will trade for him), or b) cut him and know that our team doesn't tolerate such stupid acts (players) as these (him).

Note: Strip clubs and weapons... which players come to mind? Pacman Jones and Marcus Vick? Great company. (At least it didn't happen on a boat.)

If expressing my opinion on an internet forum makes me a "righteous armchair fan", you're exactly the same thing. It was either a horrible insult or a pointless comment to make... both are useless.


not exactly.....because I'm not so naive to think that winning is secondary to such trivial matters as these....nor am I making any assumptions prior to a conviction....like I typed earlier

"Winngin isn't everything but its the only thing" - Vince Lombardi


...everybody gettin so bent out of shape is over-sensitive and too self-righteous....

TacticaLion
06-12-2007, 06:51 PM
not exactly.....because I'm not so naive to think that winning is secondary to such trivial matters as these....nor am I making any assumptions prior to a conviction....like I typed earlier

"Winngin isn't everything but its the only thing" - Vince Lombardi


...everybody gettin so bent out of shape is over-sensitive and too self-righteous....
Here's a quote:

"It's not the most talented players on a team, but the team with the most talent, that wins championships." - TacticaLion

Trivial matters!? Are you KIDDING!? Our "best player" gets drunk, goes to a strip club with a weapon and assaults a stripper. TRIVIAL!? It's ******* disgusting and he should be suspended. Not only did he get drunk in public... and go to a strip club... and assault a stripper... but he had a goddamn gun on him. Just plain stupid.

Oh. One more thing: I don't need a "conviction" to know that what he did was wrong, and you shouldn't either. If he pays the stripper off, like it's suggested he will, does that make this situation any less pathetic? Hell no. We don't need this type of player on our team.

(Self-righteous? Wow. I'm sorry... I just don't do things as immature and pathetic as this. I can look in the mirror and see my own faults, but nothing I've done is as low and pathetic as what he did. Sensitive? I guess I just have morals.)

TheMadLionsFan
06-12-2007, 07:03 PM
Here's a quote:

"It's not the most talented players on a team, but the team with the most talent, that wins championships." - TacticaLion

Trivial matters!? Are you KIDDING!? Our "best player" gets drunk, goes to a strip club with a weapon and assaults a stripper. TRIVIAL!? It's ******* disgusting and he should be suspended. Not only did he get drunk in public... and go to a strip club... and assault a stripper... but he had a goddamn gun on him. Just plain stupid.





DETROIT (June 11, 2007) -- A stripper is claiming she was inappropriately touched by Detroit Lions defensive tackle Shaun Rogers.

Police and prosecutors are reviewing the claims, Maria Miller, spokeswoman for the Wayne County prosecutor's office, said.

The complaint was made to authorities early June 8 by the woman, who dances at a club on Detroit's west side. Police have submitted a criminal sexual conduct warrant request to the prosecutor's office, but Miller said charges were not expected to be filed June 11. The Detroit police sex crimes unit also was investigating the complaint.

"We're reviewing the reports that we have," Miller said. "We're going to talk to the victim and any relevant witnesses."

Miller would not say whether police or her office had spoken to Rogers or if he was at the club when the complaint was made.

Team officials are aware of the complaint.

"We're gathering information and have no further comment," said Lions spokesman Bill Keenist.

An e-mail seeking comment was sent to Rogers and a telephone message seeking comment was left with his agent, Kennard McGuire.

nowhere in the report said he had a gun....no cameras picked up that he had a gun....nowhere in the report said he was drunk...and as far as assaulting a stripper...if it was so serious...if it was that traumatizing....why did she wait a day until filing a complaint?....this is what I'm talking about.....you are going off trivial reports laced with little information and then trying to come to your own conclusion.....bullsh!t....and you don't know what whent down....and if you have any type of run in with females you know that some are just goldiggers....females who don't care about tanything but money and a man that will take care of them....and most of those type women are strippers....damn....when Micahel Irvin got hit with his rape charge I bet you were screaming for his head too....when he got acquited and then turned around and sued her...how did you feel?....yeah read the report...the player is ALWAYS wrong...fu@kouttahea with this garbage...

SuperKevin
06-12-2007, 07:04 PM
I think they could easily afford to trade Rogers. DT can be a very easy position to fill with a strong DL coach like Marinelli.

TacticaLion
06-12-2007, 07:26 PM
nowhere in the report said he had a gun....no cameras picked up that he had a gun....nowhere in the report said he was drunk...and as far as assaulting a stripper...if it was so serious...if it was that traumatizing....why did she wait a day until filing a complaint?....this is what I'm talking about.....you are going off trivial reports laced with little information and then trying to come to your own conclusion.....bullsh!t....and you don't know what whent down....and if you have any type of run in with females you know that some are just goldiggers....females who don't care about tanything but money and a man that will take care of them....and most of those type women are strippers....damn....when Micahel Irvin got hit with his rape charge I bet you were screaming for his head too....when he got acquited and then turned around and sued her...how did you feel?....yeah read the report...the player is ALWAYS wrong...fu@kouttahea with this garbage...Ignorance is a horrible argument, yet you attempt to use it. Do some research before you open your mouth.
Rogers was interviewed Saturday at Ford Field for an incident in a strip club where he was reportedly carrying a gun and touched a stripper in a club called The Players Den on Detroit's west side.

A warrant to the Wayne County Prosecutors Office will be submitted Monday.

POSTED 12:51 p.m. EDT, June 11, 2007

DETROIT POLICE SEX CRIMES UNIT INVESTIGATING SHAUN ROGERS by Michael David Smith

Fred Girard of the Detroit News is reporting that Lions defensive lineman Shaun Rogers is under investigation by the sex crimes unit of the Detroit police department for an incident that allegedly occurred at a local strip club, and could be charged as early as Tuesday.

"The Detroit Police Department presented us with a request for a warrant this morning," Girard quotes assistant Wayne County prosecutor Maria Miller as saying on Monday. "It concerns an incident that occurred at a Detroit strip club on June 8, at approximately 1 a.m. We're reviewing that request, but I don't expect there will be a decision today. First we have to interview witnesses and review the evidence."

Per Girard, a police officer said a 20-year-old dancer made a report that Rogers burst into the women's dressing room at the club, inebriated and carrying a pistol in his waistband. The woman said Rogers fondled her sexually.

Girard's report is an update of the story surrounding Rogers that was first reported by Terry Foster of the Detroit News. Oddly, Foster's initial report has been pulled from his blog on the paper's web site.

POSTED 8:15 a.m. EDT, June 11, 2007

SHAUN ROGERS IN HOT WATER?

Lions tackle Shaun Rogers is the latest candidate to break our "days without an arrest" streak at 21 and counting.

According to Terry Foster of the Detroit News, Rogers was interviewed by police on Saturday at Ford Field in connection with allegations that he carried a gun and touched a stripper at a Detroit club called "The Player's Den."

A warrant will be presented to prosecutors on Monday.

Foster says that Rogers didn't wave his gun, but made it known that he was packing heat. Foster also says that he is aware of additional details that, if true, could bring Rogers' career with the Lions to an end, and that also could result in jail time.

Finally, Foster explains that there is a concern within the police department that Rogers and his lawyer will "pay off" the stripper.

And that's where Pacman Jones really screwed up in February. Instead of tossing the full $81,000 into the air, he should have held back $40,000 of it to buy everyone's silence after the fact.

Police investigate Lions' Rogers in sexual assault allegation

Detroit Lions defensive tackle Shaun Rogers is being investigated for sexual assault after a stripper accused him of entering her dressing room and forcibly groping her last week, authorities confirmed Monday.

The 20-year-old woman, who dances at the Secret City Players Den on Joy Road on the city's west side, complained to Detroit police Saturday about the Friday morning incident, police sources told The Detroit News.

Investigators have submitted a warrant request involving possible criminal sexual conduct charges, said Maria Miller, a spokeswoman for the Wayne County prosecutor. "That is being investigated at this time," she said without elaborating.

No decision on the case is expected until Wednesday at the soonest, Miller said, noting that prosecutors will be interviewing witnesses.

Rogers could not be reached for comment.

"We are gathering information," Lions vice president Bill Keenist said. "We'll have no further comment."

The woman told police Rogers had a gun in his waistband, but did not say he pointed it at her, police said. Rogers had been drinking with friends, but it is unclear whether any teammates were with him, police said.

A firearm could pose several legal problems for Rogers. Guns are not permitted in bars in Michigan.

Also, depending on what is said and done, having a gun while committing another felony, such as a sexual assault, can lead to a felony firearm charge. That crime carries a mandatory two-year prison sentence that must be served in its entirety and cannot be served with any other sentence.

It is unclear whether Rogers has a license to carry a concealed weapon.

Rogers has discussed the matter with police at least once, but declined to discuss it Saturday afternoon when investigators approached him at Ford Field, police said.

Oh, and here's a good article: http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070612/COL22/706120383/1048/SPORTS&imw=Y

You post one... ONE report and use it as your argument. Most of the reports I've found claim he had a gun and a few say that he was inebriated (google it, I wont hold your hand).

Show some respect before you start screaming... especially when you're using arguments as weak as those.

TheMadLionsFan
06-12-2007, 07:39 PM
hmmm.....his word against her word....no quotes from witnesses....just a stripper....and we all know strippers are upstanding citizens....sorry...i'm not going off reports....I want facts and these aren't fact....I don't care about he say she say sh!t....

TacticaLion
06-12-2007, 07:51 PM
hmmm.....his word against her word....no quotes from witnesses....just a stripper....and we all know strippers are upstanding citizens....sorry...i'm not going off reports....I want facts and these aren't fact....I don't care about he say she say sh!t....Wow... backtracking, are we? You posted a report and used it as you argument... yet are no longer "going off reports" after having other reports thrown in your face.

Oh... side note... please never be in a position of power. "We all know strippers are upstanding citizens." Are you serious? You can honestly question the integrity of every stripper because of the job they do? There have been females of every walk and profession that have taken advantage of a male for financial reasons. People file bogus lawsuits everyday for financial gain, yet you can discount a stripper's claim because... she's a stripper? Pathetic. Disgusting. Ignorant.

You can sit there and ignore everything said about the situation, but something happened and it wasn't good. I don't need a drawn-out lawsuit to know that. And, I don't want that player on the team.

TheMadLionsFan
06-12-2007, 08:01 PM
People file bogus lawsuits everyday for financial gain, .


my point exactly in this situation....and you say you don't want players like Rogers....hmm...interesting.....the Cowboys were pretty good....they won tree super Bowls in four year.....give me a team full of knucleheafs that win....over a bunch of upstanding citizens that lose...please don't bring up the Patriots either....just because they haven't been caught....doesn't mean that aren't involved in thier lude behavior...and like I said....I'm not gonna flip out because a stripper said he was out of line....when the FACTS come out....I'll change my tune....media reports aren't always correct....see OTL special on the former Duke Lacrosse coach?

TacticaLion
06-12-2007, 08:19 PM
my point exactly in this situation....and you say you don't want players like Rogers....hmm...interesting.....the Cowboys were pretty good....they won tree super Bowls in four year.....give me a team full of knucleheafs that win....over a bunch of upstanding citizens that lose...please don't bring up the Patriots either....just because they haven't been caught....doesn't mean that aren't involved in thier lude behavior...and like I said....I'm not gonna flip out because a stripper said he was out of line....when the FACTS come out....I'll change my tune....media reports aren't always correct....see OTL special on the former Duke Lacrosse coach?
This is trash... I can't believe I'm replying.

Your point exactly? Implying that something a stripper says isn't credible because... she's a stripper... isn't the same thing as stating that people, not just strippers, do this type of thing on a daily basis. Stop trying to turn your extremely weak and ignorant comments around to save face.

"Just because they (the Patriots) haven't been caught doesn't mean that aren't involved in thier lude behavior." WHAT!? Are you SERIOUS!? This comment is almost worse than your "I can't trust strippers" comment. If a player on the Patriots' got drunk, went to a strip club with a gun and assaulted a stripper, it would be all over the news. Stop acting like every team does things as irresponsible as this... because it isn't true.

Incase you missed it, here's why I'm "flipping out": one of our players was (reportedly) drunk, (reportedly) went to a strip club with (reportedly) a gun and (reportedly) entered a changing area and assaulted a stripper. That's all I need to know. I don't care how much money he pays her to keep her mouth shut, I don't want him on the team.

And, to be completely honest, I'd rather my team lose and be good citizens than win and be thugs. I don't want to support individuals like that. I guess I have morals.

dreadedluck
06-12-2007, 08:52 PM
This is another example of what Shaun Rogers is. We all know he has respect issues towards the coaches. That he has taken it upon himself to ignore the media last year. That he was dancing around and celebrating after his team lost in the season opener, because he felt the defense played well. He is a selfish player, with a motor only for himself. He has weight issues, suspensions, and now we may add this to his resume. Does it matter if he is carrying a gun? That would only compound his LEGAL issues. He was in a strip club, a place that professional people should not be, especially after Goodall has cracked down on this behaviour. So why would you ever put yourself in a position for something bad to happen? Because you are a selfish man thats why Shaun.

Of course the Lions should have traded him, I said this long ago. But we are now short at the DT position, and who ever says he is easily replaced is ignorant. We still have small issues with Redding and a Lack of quality in depth on the line. I am still with dumping him, but at the right time.

The only thing we have really gained is this. The only reason Marinelli kept Rogers was because Rogers has a huge upside. No even this has blown up in Marinelli's face. Wake up Marinelli you can not change people only yourself. Rogers was more and is more of a problem then James Hall ever will be. I have less respect for Marinelli, he was past gambling on Rogers and was more waiting for the bomb to explode.

Hopefully all these allegations are false. but either way Rogers needs to exit stage left.

Tactica just remember to leave this site before you go postal again! I love you brother!!

umphrey
06-12-2007, 08:54 PM
I've been hearing about this a lot lately. I don't know the details but "inappropriately touched a stripper" lawsuit against a loaded NFL player sounds like the stupidest lawsuit ever.

TacticaLion
06-13-2007, 11:09 AM
This is another example of what Shaun Rogers is. We all know he has respect issues towards the coaches. That he has taken it upon himself to ignore the media last year. That he was dancing around and celebrating after his team lost in the season opener, because he felt the defense played well. He is a selfish player, with a motor only for himself. He has weight issues, suspensions, and now we may add this to his resume. Does it matter if he is carrying a gun? That would only compound his LEGAL issues. He was in a strip club, a place that professional people should not be, especially after Goodall has cracked down on this behaviour. So why would you ever put yourself in a position for something bad to happen? Because you are a selfish man thats why Shaun.

Of course the Lions should have traded him, I said this long ago. But we are now short at the DT position, and who ever says he is easily replaced is ignorant. We still have small issues with Redding and a Lack of quality in depth on the line. I am still with dumping him, but at the right time.

The only thing we have really gained is this. The only reason Marinelli kept Rogers was because Rogers has a huge upside. No even this has blown up in Marinelli's face. Wake up Marinelli you can not change people only yourself. Rogers was more and is more of a problem then James Hall ever will be. I have less respect for Marinelli, he was past gambling on Rogers and was more waiting for the bomb to explode.

Hopefully all these allegations are false. but either way Rogers needs to exit stage left.

Tactica just remember to leave this site before you go postal again! I love you brother!!Well said. Lack of respect, weight issues, a (negative) attitude and an altercation with a stripper... not to mention past injuries (although minor) and the suspension last year for illegal substances. Seems to go against what this team is trying to become.

A few comments made after the draft about IAF gave me the impression that they think he can be a dominant DT. Now that Cody is healthy, that could give us a rotation with Redding, Cody and IAF. Sure, none of them are as big as Rogers, but Cody is listed as 293 and Redding is at 290. Maybe they could pull it off?

Don't get me wrong... I wish Rogers could be a beast and stay a Lion for a long time... but this has got to draw punishment from the NFL. And I don't think he's worth keeping.

TheMadLionsFan
06-13-2007, 06:28 PM
Prosecutor taking more time to review claims against Lions player
6/13/2007, 11:35 a.m. EDT
By DAVID N. GOODMAN
The Associated Press

DETROIT (AP) Investigators are taking more time than expected to review an exotic dancer's claims that Detroit Lions defensive tackle Shaun Rogers inappropriately touched her, a prosecutor's spokeswoman said Wednesday.

"On Monday, we anticipated that we would have a decision on the Shaun Rogers criminal sexual conduct warrant request," Maria Miller said in an e-mail message Wednesday. "After working on the case for several days, it is clear that we will not have a decision this week."

interesting.......

SuperKevin
06-13-2007, 06:36 PM
hmmm.....his word against her word....no quotes from witnesses....just a stripper....and we all know strippers are upstanding citizens....sorry...i'm not going off reports....I want facts and these aren't fact....I don't care about he say she say sh!t....


I hope you aren't basing that off of the Duke Stripper. Most strippers are actually very hardworking people who are just trying to support a family or pay their way through school

TacticaLion
06-13-2007, 10:25 PM
I hope you aren't basing that off of the Duke Stripper. Most strippers are actually very hardworking people who are just trying to support a family or pay their way through schoolI'd actually strip... if there was an audience. Good money.

255979119
06-13-2007, 10:31 PM
If I was in need of a DT I would surely give up a 2nd for him.

Addict
06-14-2007, 07:35 AM
I'd actually strip for just about anyone, I don't really care if they have money, I just love getting naked

fixed & Improved it just for you.

TacticaLion
06-14-2007, 10:44 AM
fixed & Improved it just for you.
Haha goddamn... I gotta fix my windows or something. You know too much.

detroit4life
06-14-2007, 12:36 PM
tactica are you able to hold a civil discussion it seems like everytime you feel strongly about something you flip out at everyone who disagrees with you.

People need to stop making assumptions about Rogers and his attitude problems. The media jumped to conclusions earlier in the year about him not showing up to optional camps. The media said he was a no show because of attitude problems but that was their own opinion. No where did they have a quote from anyone saying why he didn't show. When that came out everyone flipped out callin for the lions to move him. Couple weeks later Marinelli and Shaun both diffused the whole thing saying it was not due to attitude problems but it was just that shaun is still recovering and decided to stay at home to rehab. These past mini camps he's been here doing everything he can do he's lifting and everything. So there is no attitude problems here Maarinelli wants him here so lets drop all that crap theres no argument with him having attitude.

In concerns with this stripper thing. I think everyone should have learned by now that when charges get braught up on Professional players/ celebrities you cannot jump to your own conclusions. The gun thing is stupid no one saw a gun people are speculating saying he made it known he was packing but noone saw a gun so that will be thrown out unless they search his house and find a gun so until that point lets drop the gun thing because people speculating saying he made it known he had one doesnt do anything theres zero proof in that. Second of all to be honest i dont see a arrest made in this situation. Yes he was at a strip club thats not illegal no big deal. This claim made by the stripper will be followed out but i dont see anyhting following it and everyone here needs to not make it a huge deal. Until charges are filed and he gets proved guilty.

Theres no reason to get into a heated thing here because no matter what everything here is speculation and you all really need to stop believing everything you hear from the media. They are paid to sell not to tell the entire truth and you need to understand that. So until he is proved guilty lets drop this crap because its pointless

Notredameleo
06-14-2007, 01:57 PM
No thanks!!!!!!

TacticaLion
06-14-2007, 08:14 PM
tactica are you able to hold a civil discussion it seems like everytime you feel strongly about something you flip out at everyone who disagrees with you.

People need to stop making assumptions about Rogers and his attitude problems. The media jumped to conclusions earlier in the year about him not showing up to optional camps. The media said he was a no show because of attitude problems but that was their own opinion. No where did they have a quote from anyone saying why he didn't show. When that came out everyone flipped out callin for the lions to move him. Couple weeks later Marinelli and Shaun both diffused the whole thing saying it was not due to attitude problems but it was just that shaun is still recovering and decided to stay at home to rehab. These past mini camps he's been here doing everything he can do he's lifting and everything. So there is no attitude problems here Maarinelli wants him here so lets drop all that crap theres no argument with him having attitude.

In concerns with this stripper thing. I think everyone should have learned by now that when charges get braught up on Professional players/ celebrities you cannot jump to your own conclusions. The gun thing is stupid no one saw a gun people are speculating saying he made it known he was packing but noone saw a gun so that will be thrown out unless they search his house and find a gun so until that point lets drop the gun thing because people speculating saying he made it known he had one doesnt do anything theres zero proof in that. Second of all to be honest i dont see a arrest made in this situation. Yes he was at a strip club thats not illegal no big deal. This claim made by the stripper will be followed out but i dont see anyhting following it and everyone here needs to not make it a huge deal. Until charges are filed and he gets proved guilty.

Theres no reason to get into a heated thing here because no matter what everything here is speculation and you all really need to stop believing everything you hear from the media. They are paid to sell not to tell the entire truth and you need to understand that. So until he is proved guilty lets drop this crap because its pointlessAm I able to hold a civil discussion? Go back and read the thread. I voiced my opinion and answered responses in a respectful way... until I was shown disrespect. I don't "flip out" when someone disagrees with me, but I "flip out" when people make unreasonable comments and use poor logic. Here are some examples:

"and we all know strippers are upstanding citizens..."
"I really don't care about character...."
"give me a team full of knucleheafs that win....over a bunch of upstanding citizens that lose..."
"please don't bring up the Patriots either....just because they haven't been caught....doesn't mean that aren't involved in thier lude behavior..."

First (as I said before) he questioned the integrity of every stripper because... they're strippers? Just an ignorant, stereotypical mindset.

Now, he's said that character doesn't matter and he'd rather have a "team full of knucleheafs that win". Sorry... I couldn't disagree more. Winning is great, but I wont support a team of thugs and punks. I wont be the fan putting money in their pockets. Character and class *should* be the two biggest attributes of being a "professional".

Last but not least, his (and your) entire argument has been "give me facts and stop speculating", yet he speculates that the Patriots are involved in "lude behavior". Where are your facts of this "lude behavior", TMLF? Oh... right... you don't have any. You sit and scream "I want facts and these aren't fact...." (direct quote), yet make ridiculous comments that don't even have a supporting police report.

Note, detroit4life: this is an internet forum. All we do is speculate and give opinions. That's the point of having this site. If I want to give my opinion on this situation, I will... if you don't want to read it, don't. Regardless, this is a situation in the news that affects the Lions and I think it's reasonable to discuss it.

detroit4life
06-14-2007, 11:32 PM
go for it and discuss it but dont make ******** speculations that might be the better choice of words for you. I though u left this forum anyway. You make speculations about him have a gun and a file claimed against him and you cry for cutting him. You bring up old and dead claims that he has attitude problems when you heard form Marinelli that he was fine. You make claims to cut him when if you listened you would know we cant cut him without hurting this team a lot because of his cap hit on this team. And nearly everything u claim about all of this is dead wrong. So yeah i have no problem with speculating but assuming a mad is guilty when you know nothing about the whole situation is wrong and ********. Not only that its against the frickin constitution. The whole nation went over this with the duke lacrosse players and everyone assummed them guilty because the media only writes for the prosecution and never for the defense. And so you just go along with it. You obviously believe everything you hear speculated by the media. And even when those speculations are put to rest ala rogers having attitude issues you still bring them up. So yea i am saying give me facts because thats what everyone should do. You dont go cut a player because he was speculated to be involved in a crime and thats what your crying to do.

TacticaLion
06-17-2007, 11:14 AM
go for it and discuss it but dont make ******** speculations that might be the better choice of words for you. I though u left this forum anyway. You make speculations about him have a gun and a file claimed against him and you cry for cutting him. You bring up old and dead claims that he has attitude problems when you heard form Marinelli that he was fine. You make claims to cut him when if you listened you would know we cant cut him without hurting this team a lot because of his cap hit on this team. And nearly everything u claim about all of this is dead wrong. So yeah i have no problem with speculating but assuming a mad is guilty when you know nothing about the whole situation is wrong and ********. Not only that its against the frickin constitution. The whole nation went over this with the duke lacrosse players and everyone assummed them guilty because the media only writes for the prosecution and never for the defense. And so you just go along with it. You obviously believe everything you hear speculated by the media. And even when those speculations are put to rest ala rogers having attitude issues you still bring them up. So yea i am saying give me facts because thats what everyone should do. You dont go cut a player because he was speculated to be involved in a crime and thats what your crying to do.Ummm... no.

I didn't just create these claims/accusations that he had a gun and was drunk... go back and read the thread. It was reported (by a few sources) that he had a gun and was "inebriated". You WOULD have a good argument... if that wasn't true...

You thought I left this forum? Obviously you didn't read this thread. First sentence, for those that missed it:
I know I said I was gonna stay off these boards (mainly due to such pointless threads as these, as well as unreasonably negative comments from many "Lions fans" on these forums), but this Shaun Rogers situation has brought me back. I've gotta see how others feel about this.

Answer me this: what happened with Odell Thurman and the assault charge? The charges were dropped and it was settled "out of court". In other words, he paid them off. Does it mean he's innocent? No. Did he still do it? Obviously. (If not, why would he have paid them?) Does it make it any better? No. He should still be punished by the NFL, regardless of how much money he paid them. Why? What he did was still wrong (and stupid).

My point? I don't care what the outcome of this situation is. Shaun Rogers did something stupid and needs to be punished for it. Regardless of how much he pays the stripper to keep her mouth shut, he still did it. If anything, he went to a strip club and sexually assaulted a stripper. Even without the gun and alcohol, it's wrong and he should be punished.

Oh yeah... Rod Marinelli said Rogers was fine?! OH WOW! No way! He couldn't just be saying that to keep another issue out of the media, could he? The troublemaker he chose to keep is still a troublemaker... what else is he going to say?

You keep claiming you want "facts", yet can use some statement from Marinelli to dismiss the possibility that he still has attitude problems? Nice argument. If you claim you want "facts", be consistent with that claim and stop accepting everything said to the media by the head coach... it's his job to protect his team.

In other words, get this ******** out of here. Read the thread and actually give a good argument or don't post.

treefi
06-17-2007, 08:33 PM
TacticaLion, why do you keep repeating 'he was DRUNK and went to a STRIP CLUB!' like it is some horrible decision by Rogers and shouldn't ever be allowed by NFL players? There is nothing wrong with that.. He's fat as hell and rich, I would go to strip clubs drunk too.. all the time if I were Shaun Rogers. Hell, I've been to a strip club drunk before and I'm not fat or rich... The only thing you should be tearing apart Rogers for in this complaint is that he inappropriately touched her. There is no evidence about any gun and that claim is quickly evaporating from reports.

In one defense you argue that Rogers going to a strip club is a terrible thing, and in another you defend strippers and stripping all together... Truth is, most strippers are strippers because they are desperate for money, very poor people. Naturally, you have to question any type of claim made against millionaire celebrities these days(especially black athletes), and you'd especially have to question one from someone who strips for money because they desperately need the money.

Rogers is a multi-millionaire. If he wants to 'inappropriately touch' someone he can hire a hooker... Search 'detroit escorts' on google.

Though, if this claim turns out to be TRUE and he sexually assaulted a stripper.. Then he's not the type of player I want on the team either, and he's just an idiot. That would mean he is stupid, on top of being a sick person.. but none of this is fact... I don't want to cut our best defensive player because a stripper has claimed that Shaun Rogers touched her.

Chill out for a bit.

treefi
06-17-2007, 08:49 PM
and by the way...

Did he still do it? Obviously. (If not, why would he have paid them?) Does it make it any better? No. He should still be punished by the NFL, regardless of how much money he paid them. Why? What he did was still wrong (and stupid).

My band just got sued by an ex drummer who was our drummer for about 5 months. About 6 months after we kicked him out of the band we signed a record deal with Island Records... He decided to sue us for $40,000 saying we had some unwritten partnership ******** and wanted to drag out the trial and lawsuit as long as possible (his friend was his lawyer), knowing that eventually we would have been forced to pay him off something.. He had absolutely no claim to anything at all but the cost of paying a defense lawyer and court fees would be well over $25,000 for us when it was all said and done. So we settled for $15,000 before it went to court and he was excited as hell...

Now to look at it from a professional athletes perspective.. Do you want to go to court for months and months and months spending money and damaging your image in the publics eye? No. (i mean obviously people like you permanently associate any claim made against any athlete for the rest of their careers even if it turns out to be false.. wouldn't you pay up even if the claim was completely made up just to get the story out of the media as quickly as possible?)

TacticaLion
06-18-2007, 01:35 PM
TacticaLion, why do you keep repeating 'he was DRUNK and went to a STRIP CLUB!' like it is some horrible decision by Rogers and shouldn't ever be allowed by NFL players? There is nothing wrong with that.. He's fat as hell and rich, I would go to strip clubs drunk too.. all the time if I were Shaun Rogers. Hell, I've been to a strip club drunk before and I'm not fat or rich... The only thing you should be tearing apart Rogers for in this complaint is that he inappropriately touched her. There is no evidence about any gun and that claim is quickly evaporating from reports.

In one defense you argue that Rogers going to a strip club is a terrible thing, and in another you defend strippers and stripping all together... Truth is, most strippers are strippers because they are desperate for money, very poor people. Naturally, you have to question any type of claim made against millionaire celebrities these days(especially black athletes), and you'd especially have to question one from someone who strips for money because they desperately need the money.

Rogers is a multi-millionaire. If he wants to 'inappropriately touch' someone he can hire a hooker... Search 'detroit escorts' on google.

Though, if this claim turns out to be TRUE and he sexually assaulted a stripper.. Then he's not the type of player I want on the team either, and he's just an idiot. That would mean he is stupid, on top of being a sick person.. but none of this is fact... I don't want to cut our best defensive player because a stripper has claimed that Shaun Rogers touched her.

Chill out for a bit.

and by the way...

Did he still do it? Obviously. (If not, why would he have paid them?) Does it make it any better? No. He should still be punished by the NFL, regardless of how much money he paid them. Why? What he did was still wrong (and stupid).

My band just got sued by an ex drummer who was our drummer for about 5 months. About 6 months after we kicked him out of the band we signed a record deal with Island Records... He decided to sue us for $40,000 saying we had some unwritten partnership ******** and wanted to drag out the trial and lawsuit as long as possible (his friend was his lawyer), knowing that eventually we would have been forced to pay him off something.. He had absolutely no claim to anything at all but the cost of paying a defense lawyer and court fees would be well over $25,000 for us when it was all said and done. So we settled for $15,000 before it went to court and he was excited as hell...

Now to look at it from a professional athletes perspective.. Do you want to go to court for months and months and months spending money and damaging your image in the publics eye? No. (i mean obviously people like you permanently associate any claim made against any athlete for the rest of their careers even if it turns out to be false.. wouldn't you pay up even if the claim was completely made up just to get the story out of the media as quickly as possible?)
Wow. Why do I keep saying "he was DRUNK and went to a STRIP CLUB!"? Considering the current situations with players in the NFL, and the reports that he had a gun and entered the stripper's changing room, I think it's a big deal. Also, what is he hoping to find drunk, with a gun, at a strip club? He is, after all, a "multi-millionaire"... and, as you said, he could just "hire a hooker". So why the hell did he even go to a Detroit strip club in the first place?

Wait... this also doesn't make sense. The only thing I should tear him apart for is the claimed "inappropriate touching", yet I can't consider the claim that he had a gun? Why not? If I can tear him apart for one thing (without facts), I should be able to tear him apart for everything (without facts). We don't have facts, but we have reports... and if *some* of it is true, he should be off the team.

You also just used the "go to court for months and months and months spending money and damaging your image" argument right after commenting how Rogers is a "multi-millionaire". If he's a "multi-millionaire", spending the money isn't the issue. And, if you claim that drawing the lawsuit out damages his image, wouldn't settling and paying the accuser damage his image more? If he didn't do a thing wrong, and the stripper (and the witnesses) made this entire story up, he'd want to fight it to save his image, wouldn't he? It's different from the situation with your band... you aren't "multi-millionaires" and he is.

Though, if this claim turns out to be TRUE and he sexually assaulted a stripper.. Then he's not the type of player I want on the team either, and he's just an idiot. That would mean he is stupid, on top of being a sick person.. but none of this is fact... I don't want to cut our best defensive player because a stripper has claimed that Shaun Rogers touched her.
So, if the claims turn out to be true, you don't want him, right? What if the entire thing happened, but he offered her $1,000,000 to keep her mouth shut? She is, after all, a poor, poor stripper... she'd take it and drop the lawsuit, right? Of course she would. Does that make him any better of an individual? **** no.

By the way... not all strippers are "desperate for money" and "very poor people"... if you've got the body for it, stripping is a very well-paying job. Hell, I'm usually "desperate for money" and could be considered "very poor"... and I'm in the military. Most strippers make a lot more than I do. If I was a female with a great body, I'd probably do it. You can't dismiss a stripper's integrity because of the job she does... because a lot of people lie for financial reasons and not every stripper is in the same, "desperate" situation.

My point: something happened, and something needs to be done. He went to a strip club and sexually assaulted a stripper. Even without the alcohol or the gun, it's still a poor decision and he needs to be punished (and I don't want that type of player on the team). Especially with whats happened lately.

jbombul
06-21-2007, 10:05 AM
i agree with tatical on all accounts except releasing him, it would probably be the right thing to do, but we are not prepared (financially, as well as depth) for it.

TacticaLion
06-21-2007, 10:58 AM
i agree with tatical on all accounts except releasing him, it would probably be the right thing to do, but we are not prepared (financially, as well as depth) for it.

The sad, frusturating truth. Cutting him would probably make the biggest statement (we wont tolerate these actions... at all costs), but would kill us on the cap and roster.

It's a shame.

detroit4life
06-21-2007, 11:44 AM
tactica your rediculous for the third time no one saw a gun on him there was no security footage of him having a gun so get real you just assume these things true all of a sudden. Grow up a little bit and quit jumping to conclusions and chill out and hold a conversation i read all those posts i said didnt you leave because im hoping you leave again. Now its been a while since all of this and he's yet to be charged with anyone no because a stripper and the news reports this you assume he's guilty while others believe he really didnt do anything. You flip out when they disagree with you. How bout you leave again no we can have some real conversations

TacticaLion
06-21-2007, 12:24 PM
tactica your rediculous for the third time no one saw a gun on him there was no security footage of him having a gun so get real you just assume these things true all of a sudden. Grow up a little bit and quit jumping to conclusions and chill out and hold a conversation i read all those posts i said didnt you leave because im hoping you leave again. Now its been a while since all of this and he's yet to be charged with anyone no because a stripper and the news reports this you assume he's guilty while others believe he really didnt do anything. You flip out when they disagree with you. How bout you leave again no we can have some real conversationsHoly goodness... how about YOU leave so we can stop the run-on sentences? I don't know how you did it, but you managed to separate 108 words with 3 periods. Genius.

Anyway, all we have are reports. You (and MadLionsFan) have your reports while I seem to have other reports. Either way, I've read reports that suggest he had a gun and other reports claim that he was "inebriated". Since you can't seem to read through the thread before responding, here's another report (previously posted):
Rogers was interviewed Saturday at Ford Field for an incident in a strip club where he was reportedly carrying a gun and touched a stripper in a club called The Players Den on Detroit's west side.

A warrant to the Wayne County Prosecutors Office will be submitted Monday.Wow. That part in bold... the part that mentions he was *reportedly* carrying a gun... kinda supports my comments. A few other sources posted similar information.

Bottom line: we all have reports. We only have statements from witnesses and speculation from analysts... but that's all I need to know that he did something stupid and needs to be punished. How severely? Not sure. But, I don't want him on the team. If half of what was reported is true, that's too much negativity for the team... and it didn't need to happen.

detroit4life
06-21-2007, 02:52 PM
Reportedly? exactly what im saying noone saw a gun on him that means absolutely nothing get over it these accusations will be dropped and then you can leave again. If you dont like my grammar on a sports forum then get out i could care less im not trying to use perfect grammar for your benefit im not in english class here. Get over this crap dude you just need to be chill and be civil

TacticaLion
06-21-2007, 03:31 PM
Reportedly? exactly what im saying noone saw a gun on him that means absolutely nothing get over it these accusations will be dropped and then you can leave again. If you dont like my grammar on a sports forum then get out i could care less im not trying to use perfect grammar for your benefit im not in english class here. Get over this crap dude you just need to be chill and be civilReportedly?! Anything any of us know is just "reported"! If it's "reported" that Shaun Rogers was carrying a gun, I think it's reasonable to bring it into the conversation. Do you know for sure that he didn't have a gun? No, you don't. Do I know for sure that he did? No, I don't. Could he have had a gun? Yes. Since it was "reported" that he did, it's reasonable to mention it.

"Get over this crap...". Are you serious? I made a reasonable topic about a "star" on the Detroit Lions and voiced my opinion on the situation. This is the "Detroit Lions Team Forum" where you "Discuss the Lions", isn't it? If not, I'll be happy to leave and have this discussion there. If it is, and you don't like the fact that I have an opinion on the topic, feel free to go to another thread. Many people have given interesting opinions and insight about the situation... yet you seem to be the only one having a hard time.

If voicing my opinion about a situation like this isn't appropriate for this forum, I've got no clue what the purpose of this forum is.

(Note: I don't have a problem with imperfect grammar... I just think cramming 108 words into a 3-period paragraph is impressive.)

TacticaLion
06-21-2007, 03:38 PM
A post from SportingNews.com:
INSIDE DISH: Regardless of whether DT Shaun Rogers faces any legal issues for a recent incident at a Detroit strip club, team officials are beyond disappointed in him and wondering if he's a lost cause. Rogers has exhibited immature behavior for the majority of his first six years, but the club was hoping head coach Rod Marinelli would be able to reach him. There were some indications that was actually happening in the last couple of months but then Rogers, showing no common sense or intelligence, put himself in a foolish situation. Rogers continues to show that he's more focused on being a "playa'' than an actual player. If it weren't for Rogers' awesome talent, he would've been jettisoned a long time ago. Marinelli hasn't given up on him yet, but his patience is wearing thin.

I'm not the only one...

detroit4life
06-22-2007, 10:28 AM
the only problem i have with this topic and what your saying is that you automatically call for us to get rid of rogers over these allegations and you dont conduct a team that way. The fact is none of us really knows what happened. All that could have happenned is that he acted a little inapropriate or he could have been extremely out of line. Is it a good thing either way? no but the severity of the whole thing can vary from a crime to a small incident to possibly even nothing so you shouldnt be calling to get rid of him over this. Thats my problem with what your saying.



Its impressive u went back and counted my words to try to take a shot at me when i could care less about that

TacticaLion
06-22-2007, 10:54 AM
the only problem i have with this topic and what your saying is that you automatically call for us to get rid of rogers over these allegations and you dont conduct a team that way. The fact is none of us really knows what happened. All that could have happenned is that he acted a little inapropriate or he could have been extremely out of line. Is it a good thing either way? no but the severity of the whole thing can vary from a crime to a small incident to possibly even nothing so you shouldnt be calling to get rid of him over this. Thats my problem with what your saying.



Its impressive u went back and counted my words to try to take a shot at me when i could care less about thatIf this incident had happened 2-3 years ago, it wouldn't be THAT big of a deal... but the recent arrests and adjustments to the conduct policy make it a big deal. We're also a team with a new perspective... a mindset of focus, dedication and hard work... and having a player like Rogers in the mix doesn't hold true to that direction.

I don't want our team to start a pattern of misconduct... and coaches (and owners) need to start showing players that actions like this will NOT be tolerated. Something happened that night... and it wasn't good. And, to be honest, I don't want him on the team because of it.

(Side note: I didn't go back and "count your words"... I copy/pasted into Word, highlighted and went to Tools->Word Count. Technology. Anyway, what you did was impressive.)