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iloxygenil
06-12-2007, 01:13 AM
Atlanta Falcons:

@ Minnesota Vikings - L -
The Petrino era starts off rocky with a Loss to the Hapless Vikings, however Adrian Peterson comes in and dominates like he really should and it costs Atlanta the game.

@ Jacksonville Jaguars - W-
The QB 'situation' coupled with the Falcons being very prepared to come in and looking to make up for a game they should have won in Minnesota they come in focused and pounce on the opportunity to beat a very physical team, by simply outrunning them.

vs. Carolina Panthers - L -
Again, the home opener for Petrino gets the Birds a loss and the season doesn't start off too hopeful for the Falcons but they are still trying to get things in order, and the Panthers are in a set system and the Falcons are going to have to shake them out of it before they can get the W, and even with Zimmer's improved defense, their just simply won't be enough to win this game.

vs. Houston Texans - W -
This game starts to realize exactly what this season may look like for the Falcons and even with a tough Defense that has come about in Houston with Ryans, Williams and now the addition of Okoye plus the addition Matt Schaub just simply will not be able to stop the will of Vick to prove to the city of Atlanta that he was the right decision to keep in town.

@ Tennessee Titans - W -
Vick gives Vince a lesson in what a mobile QB can do in the NFL and the defensive speed gets to Vince for once and without the presence of a WR weapon the Titans play tough but get beat at home.

vs. N.Y. Giants - W -
Without Tiki the Falcons simply are too much for the Giants to handle, and while their defense will get after Vick something fierce, the offensive line has started to meld under the new system and is able to hold up enough to give Vick the little bit of time and some running lanes to really have a great game, and the Falcons are able to beat a very tough Giants team at home.

@ New Orleans Saints - L -
The Falcons want to make up for last season's embarassment, but they're going to have to wait, because the Saints defend their house and put the Falcons back in their place. Especially coming off the short week

vs. San Fransisico 49ers - W -
This young team isn't able to overcome the Falcons in the dome, but this will be one of the best games all season imo. But the Falcons are able to defend their home field and keep back the upstart 49ers. After coming off the bye.

@ Carolina Panthers - W -
The Falcons are able to go into Carolina and hook it up with a win. They steal one away from the Panthers and even up the season series after losing at home in the dome.

vs Tampa Bay Buccaneers - W -
The Falcons go on a streak here and are feeling good, the Bucs put out a tough defensive matchup but can't get their offense clicking and end up not being able to hold off the Falcons.

vs Indianapolis Colts - L -
Coming in off the extremely short week they get pummled by the Champs and just get blown off the field imo. I think the Colts offense will be entirely too much to handle and the #2 corner will be exposed all day long by Reggie Wayne.

@ St. Louis Rams - W -
Getting the extended time after playing the Thursday game allows the Falcons to heal up and make a run at the Rams and take them out in their own place.

@ Tampa Bay Buccaneers - L -
The Falcons should win this game but end up blowing it and the record starts to slip at the worst of times, blowing games they should win.

@ Arizona Cardinals - L -
Say it ain't so, 2 in a row the Falcons drop and it's beginning to get ugly, still controlling their own playoff destiny but it's looking bad really quick. Losing 2 / 3 on the road.

vs. Seattle Seahawks - W -
The Falcons push their way into the playoffs at 10-6 and show the Seahawks no Southern Hospitality after their cross country flight they get beat off the field like they don't even belong.

The Falcons record I see ending up 10-6 pretty realistically, but could be 9-7 or as good as 12-4. Our ease of schedule allows us to do this well. But I think it will give the team a good amount of confidence

Acreboy
06-12-2007, 01:17 AM
Too much to type at 1 in the morning. I'll do this tomorrow.

BlindSite
06-12-2007, 01:51 AM
@St. Louis - W, Their defense still hasn't improved enough since last year even with the addition of a decent sized body in the middle. Their best corner won't be able to cover steve smith and our defense should limit Jackson to an at least average day.

Houston - W Carolina has better players in just about every position, including head coach, that's why.

@Atlanta - L We always find a way to lose to atlanta once a year

Tampa Bay - W they won't win in our house, especially with their trouble on the offensive line

@New Orleans W - The teams don't match up well for New Orleans.
@Arizona W - Its arizona...

Indianapolis L - They're still the best team in the NFL till someone proves otherwise. This is probably one of the last goals on Peyton's list, right under kill tom Brady, he's never beaten carolina, I hope he never does.

@Tennessee W- Carolina's defense is built to contain players with a lot of talent, that includes Vince Young who's not at Vick's level scrambling. The lack of decent running backs and wide receivers compound problems. No number 1 CB hurts even more as Steve Smith murders them.

Atlanta W - Someone in atlanta does something stupid and talks trash. Our players get pissed off and open up some whoop-ass. Vick will continue to struggle being pressured by our defense and will throw turnovers, the X factor is the health on atlanta's defense.

@Green Bay W - Brett Favre simply can't get it done against one of the NFL's best defenses and again Carolina's better running backs and receivers gash their defense who spends too much time on the field.

New Orleans - L Saints are too good to be beaten twice by any team.

San Francisco W They're still a young team facing experienced veterans. Their offensive line, though improved won't be a match for the defensive line and though they'll pressure Carolina's offense with a solid set of corners and a decent outside linebacking combo they still lack the impact players needed to shut everyone down.

@Jacksonville -L Combination of three very good backs and a great defense hurts Carolina who's offense can't find a rythmn and defense gets worn out.

Seattle W - I still think there's too many holes in that defense, their linebacking corp is still undersized and their secondary susceptible to speed receivers.

Dallas - L Dallas finds a way to beat Carolina in the regular season ever time we play, though the playoffs, thankfully, is a different story.

@Tampa Bay -W Tampa still has too many questions at QB, RB and WR, since most of those positions can't stay healthy or simply cannot produce. Their offensive line, with the exception of two guys is pretty poor. Those two will face Peppers and Jenkins... Over match to say the least. Their defense will keep them competitive.

10-5, with losses to a couple of very good teams and hard fought divisional rivals. I've only really predicted we'd beat teams who are either still rebuilding or who're outmatched in key areas.

Flyboy
06-12-2007, 02:01 AM
Ehh.. it's late and I'm lazy to get really in-depth, but here's my initial thoughts:

New Orleans Saints:

@ Indianapolis: Win
@ Tampa Bay: Win
Tennessee: Win
Carolina: Win
@ Seattle: Loss
Atlanta: Win
@ San Francisco: Win
Jacksonville: Loss
St. Louis: Loss
@ Houston: Win
@ Carolina: Loss
Tampa Bay: Win
@ Atlanta: Loss
Arizona: Win
Philadelphia: Win
@ Chicago: Win

11-5.

dbtb135
06-12-2007, 02:15 AM
Tamp Bay Buccaneers

at Seattle: Loss. More talented team, tougher environment, and hyped home opener doesn't bode well for the Bucs.

New Orleans: Loss. We can't stop them from running or passing, and we certainly can't keep up with them on offense.

St. Louis: Win. Historically, when we've had a pass rush, we've been able to beat them. They're much tougher running now with Jackson, but I think our offense has a good chance with their defense. Especially the secondary. At home helps.

at Carolina: Loss. We've had trouble winning there sine the inception of the NFC South.

at Indianapolis: Loss. Simply out-classed.

Tennessee: Win. We've had trouble with mobile QBs as of late. But at home, without Pacman and Travis Henry, and a big threat WR, I can see us taking this one.

at Detroit: Win. Ah, Rod. It'll be tough facing him, but that secondary looks ripe for the picking. And Kalimba Edwards and Dewayne White can't expose our tackles like some can. On offense, they won't be able to run the ball enough to get their passing game open.

Jacksonville: Loss. Too many favorable match-ups. Their big nasties vs. our inexperienced guards. Their big secondary with Rashean Mathis on Galloway alone takes away our biggest pass threat. MJD against our rush D.

Arizona: Win. Like Detroit, their lack of running game will hurt them. Not to mention our line getting in mid-season form vs. their lackluster defense.

at Atlanta: Loss. Their defense had our number last year, and this is in Atlanta. I smell split.

Washington: Win. This has become a nice little rivalry as of late. I think we take it though. At home, improved line and QB play and pass rush. Not to mention we won last year's match-up in our worst season.

at New Orleans: Loss. In New Orleans, better offense that we can't completely stop or keep up with.

at Houston: Win. Lack of running game, lack of passing game. Their pass rushers need time and technique, their secondary needs more talent. Matt Shaub and Simeon Rice have met before. Sack, forced fumble, Bucs TD. I believe Shaub was in for 1 series. Same poor OL circumstances. Gaines should get his too.

Atlanta: Win. Split, as is usually the case. Offense plays better at home. Defense, with added speed from Simeon, Gaines, June, and Sabby, once again contain Vick.

at San Francisco: Loss. Biggest worry coming into the season is we can't stop the run great. SF's line is big and their back is talented. They will wear us down, then throw over the top of us.

Carolina: Win. At home, and by week 17 I think this game will mean more to us than it will to them.

A favorable schedule results in an 8-8 record.

ncstateviking
06-12-2007, 02:26 AM
NY JETS

New England - Win - I think new england will get off to a surprisingly slow start as the look to build cohesion. that will be to our gain.

@Baltimore - Loss - the jets dont have the big play threat to stretch the ravens defense. Nothin but field goals for us this game.

Miami - Win - Miami should just start calling us daddy. this is the game greens season ends and the dolphins wish culpepper was still on the team.

@Buffalo - Win - without mcgahee being the jet killer he is. the bills wont be able to keep up with us as we methodicallly score every possesion.

@N.Y. Giants - Win - The giants will struggle mightily all season with barber gone and the team in eli's hands.

Philadelphia - Win - The eagles should be ravaged by injuries like normal by now and we steal one from a depleted unit.

@Cincinnati - Loss - Our secondary cant match up with TJ and Chad.

Buffalo - Win - pretty much a repeat of the first game.

Washington - Loss - a game the jets should win that i feel like we will lose just in the mid season lull.

Pittsburgh - Win - After a by week we come in and dominate the steelers to get back on track.

@Dallas - Loss - Owens will go wild and i expect big things from the boys this year.

@Miami - Win - Its not like cleo lemon is going to beat us.

Cleveland - Win - i think quinn will be starting by now and will have rookie struggles. the jets will be the leagues most consistent team this year and will take advantage of that.

@New England - Loss - The pats wont lose both to the jets in one season. and its in new england. im expecting our worse loss of the season as the jets and pats fight for the division going into the playoffs.

@Tennessee - Win - They are going to be wretched this year. mangenius will confuse young.

Kansas City - Win - LJ will be worn down by the 500 carries he has endured by now combined with an uncertain QB situation by this point...is broyle the guy?

ninerfan
06-12-2007, 02:44 AM
49ers

vs Arizona - WIN The addition of Clements shuts down the dangerous Fitzgerald

@ St Louis - WIN Smith, Gore and Davis combine to overcome divisional foe

@ Pittsburgh - LOSS Young team outgunned by determined Steelers

vs Seattle - WIN Darrel Jackson shines as his input sends the seahawks packing

vs Baltimore - LOSS Team loses a heartbreaker in a close home game

BYE

@ Giants - WIN Defense stops Shockey / Manning as Gore runs amuck

vs New Orleans - LOSS Bad home loss beaten by better team

@ Atlanta - WIN Vick ineffective as a passer as 9ers get up in a close one

@ Seattle - LOSS Seahawks turn tide avenging earlier defeat

vs St Louis - WIN Steven Jackson ineffective as 9ers passing game explodes

@ Arizona - WIN Close game which team controls throughout

@ Carolina - LOSS Youth, lack of experience costly, close game

vs Minnesota - WIN Dominante performance on both sides of the ball

vs Cincinnatti - LOSS Palmer and Johnson combine, costly defeat

vs Tampa Bay - WIN Steamrolls the Bucs in style

@ Cleveland - WIN Pass defence make Quinns day hell

Niners finish 10-6 losing a couple of close games ultimately costing them a playoff berth. Finishing with just 1 more win than last year (9-7) the season is still regarded as a success and the tight losses leading to misssing of the playoffs drives the team hard to succeed in 2008. A season of consolidation

niel89
06-12-2007, 02:52 AM
10-5, with losses to a couple of very good teams and hard fought divisional rivals. I've only really predicted we'd beat teams who are either still rebuilding or who're outmatched in key areas.

I count 11 wins

Sniper
06-12-2007, 04:30 AM
Philly

@ Green Bay: Win
Vs. Washington: Win
Vs. Detroit: Win
@ New York Giants: Win
@ New York Jets: Loss
Vs. Chicago: Win
@ Minnesota: Win
Vs. Dallas: Win
@ Washington: Win
Vs. Miami: Win
@ New England: Loss
Vs. Seattle: Win
Vs. New York Giants: Win
@ Dallas: Win
@ New Orleans: Loss
Vs. Buffalo: Loss (Subs playing)

12-4. Don't count on us losing a divisional game.

niel89
06-12-2007, 04:52 AM
Philly


12-4. Don't count on us losing a divisional game.

when is the last time that has happened? thats a very competitive division.

dbtb135
06-12-2007, 05:04 AM
@Tampa Bay -W Tampa still has too many questions at QB, RB and WR, since most of those positions can't stay healthy or simply cannot produce. Their offensive line, with the exception of two guys is pretty poor. Those two will face Peppers and Jenkins... Over match to say the least. Their defense will keep them competitive.

Luke Petitgout and Arron Sears are every bit as good as Davin and Trueblood. IMO, better.

Sniper
06-12-2007, 05:28 AM
when is the last time that has happened? thats a very competitive division.

Us not losing a divisional game? Three years ago. I think it happened three straight years in that streak. Only lost one last year on a massive fluke. I really don't expect us to lose to Washington or New York, and Dallas is a toss-up but I'd never EXPECT or PREDICT a loss to Dallas. That would be UnEaglelike.

Caddy
06-12-2007, 05:32 AM
Luke Petitgout and Arron Sears are every bit as good as Davin and Trueblood. IMO, better.

Sears better than Joseph (Why do you refer to his first name and the others last?)???? Give me a break. Joseph is going to be dominant on that right side and Sears is completely unproven.

M.O.T.H.
06-12-2007, 05:35 AM
Posted this in the cowboys forum, pre-draft.

NYG- recent history tells us that we're not the strongest week 1 team but, the Giants do not scare me without Tiki... doesnt matter who they replace him with, be it... Jacobs or if they are heavy on the tandem with Droughns... he/they are not Barber. Tiki is the Giants offense. We win. (1-0)

@Miami- Defense is gonna be fierce but, give Romo time and we wont have a problem beating them through the air. (2-0)

@Chicago- This one should be a heart thumper... Really could go either way here but, I'll stick with the better of the two last season...Bears win a close one. (2-1)

St Louis- This one has high scoring written all over it... Another battle but, I think our weapons outlast theirs. (3-1)

@Buffalo- J.P. has made strides but, that defense has lost too much... I think we blow them out. (4-1)

New England- Ugh...Not looking forward to this one... luckily it's at home but, the more experienced Brady will have his boys prepared... i can see us getting beat up a little in this one. (4-2)

Minnesota- I think any Wade Phillips D would have no problem taking down this Vikes O... we win relativaly easily. (5-2)

BYE

@Phily- The Division Champs on the road... I can hear the T.O. sucks chants already... Their gonna be scary this year... with a healthy Mcnabb and the addition of Takeo Spikes but... i think our team comes in hot and ready off the bye...T.O. gets a little revenge in this one. (6-2)

@NYG- NY is always good for one... I think they cool us off a bit here. Splitting the season series (6-3)

Was- Far from sold on Mr. Campbell... Portis can only carry the team so far... we win this one. (7-3)

NYJ- The biggest fraud in the NFL last season (just an opinion)... hey my hats off to them, they overacheived but, their schedule was a bit of a joke last season. I dont see them repeating that same success and I dont foresee a win for them against our stronger team. (8-3)

GB - Romo faces his idle... Skill vs. Will. Should be fun to watch and I wouldnt be too surprised if this is a nail biter... but, once again we take it. (9-3)

@Det- The ole trap game...The Lions... beat us last year in a game we should have had... Our more prepared defense will not give up 39 points again... We blow them out this time around. (10-3)

Phily- After three straight games against some of the leagues lesser opponents... we get a real test at home. Mcnabb has his team well prepared, as always and beat us in front of the home crowd. (10-4)

@Car- Last season we had no problem with these guys... Talent wise they are right there with us... Maybe more so than us. Should be another fantastic Smith/Newman battle and that is exactly what this game is gonna be... a battle. Panthers need it more and want it more and barely edge us out by a field goal. (10-5)

@Was- Having already clinched a playoff birth... Romo sees little action in this one, Mr. Johnson comes in and performs beautifully in a close game against an uninspired Redskins team having little to play for. (11-5)

EdReedUnstoppable
06-12-2007, 05:43 AM
Baltimore Ravens

Week 1 @ Cincinnati= Loss Big loss IMO add these 2 facts together, Bengals are a better team and they can beat our defense and have proven it, and McNair and our entire offense suck ass in night games, on primetime. Score - 24-3

Week 2 vs. Jets= Win I think we'll be able to contain the Jets offense and be able to move the ball on the Jets D. Score - 17-9

Week 3 vs. Arizona= Win This is a game I'm not sure about I thinkwe'll be able to stop edge and get to Leinart, but if we can;t then Leinart could have a field day with his talented receivers, however we should be able to score easily on the Cards D. Score - 31-21

Week 4 @ Cleveland= Win We'll stop the Browns, and we will score on them. Score - 24-10

Week 5 @ 49ers= Win The 49ers will make a game of it with their talent on O, but their D is still a little vulnerable. Score - 17-14

Week 6 vs. St. Louis= Win Will score on em, and our D will shut down the Rams relatively easily I believe. Score - 24-10

Week 7 @ Buffalo= Win Bills fans get happy as their D shuts down Willis, but the Ravens still win. Score - 10-0

Week 8 Bye

Week 9 @ Pittsburgh= Win A lot of turnover for the Steelers, we'll hurt Roethlisberger (not injure....hurt) and we'll be able to spread the Steelers D out and throw on the weak pitt secondary, although with this being a night game we could easily lose this one too. Score - 17-7

Week 10 vs. Cincinnati= Loss Cincinnati is a better team and would have swept us last year if the game would have had a few extra minutes. Score - 24-14

Week 11 vs. Cleveland= Win See Cleveland game above. Score - 24-3

Week 12 @ San Diego= Loss This game starts a bad stretch for us, Chargers will beat us easily IMO. Score - 28-10

Week 13 vs. New England= Loss Tough home loss on Monday night in front of the nation. 24-17

Week 14 vs. Colts= Loss We won't touch Peyton all game, and our O will get dominated by the Colts D as usual. Score - 28-3

Week 15 @ Miami= Win Defensive battle, very low scoring game and we'll win it on a last second FG by money Matt. Score - 9-6

Week 16 @ Seattle= Loss Tough place to go and win, plus it will prolly be raining or snowing either way McNair sucks in bad weather and he'll lose it for us with a couple of untimely INTs. Score - 17-10

Week 17 vs. Pittsburgh= Win We get back to back years of sweeping the Steelers, and all is right with the world. Score - 21-10


So 10-6 Wild Card, and out in the first rd of the playoffs again. I'd rather go 2-14 and take the RB from Arkansas, and get rid of Willis.

Caddy
06-12-2007, 05:44 AM
Tampa Bay at Seattle: Seattle aren't what they were a few years back, but I still can't see the Buccaneers beating them at home. 0-1

New Orleans at Tampa Bay: Going to be a close one but I think Tampa may have the edge in a tight one. 1-1

St. Louis at Tampa Bay: Jackson scares me but I think the Buccaneers defense might be able to do just enough to keep them in the game. 2-1

Tampa Bay at Carolina: Can't see Tampa going into Carolina so early in the year and coming away with the win. 2-2

Tampa Bay at Indianapolis: You're kidding right? 2-3

Tennessee at Tampa Bay: I jusVt can't see Vince Young being able to beat the Tampa D on his own, but I'm sure he will try. 3-3

Tampa Bay at Detroit: Detroit are pretty poor and if Tampa can't beat them then who can we beat. 4-3

Jacksonville at Tampa Bay: Jacksonville have always been an underrated team and I think they might just do enough to take the win. 4-4

Arizona at Tampa Bay: Tampa should take this one reasonably comfortably provided Fitzgerald and Boldin are kept in relative check. 5-4

Tampa Bay at Atlanta: Obviously whether Vick plays will play a large part in this match so I'll chalk up a win to Tampa. 6-4

Washington at Tampa Bay: Washington are mediocre. Tampa pick up the win. 7-4

Tampa Bay at New Orleans: I can't see Tampa going to New Orleans and pulling off the win regardless of the situation. 7-5

Tampa Bay at Houston: Another clash of the heavyweights should give Tampa the win. 8-5

Atlanta at Tampa Bay: Atlanta in Tampa rarely goes well for the Falcons so I expect Tampa to win. 9-5

Tampa Bay at San Francisco: I really like the way the 49ers are developing and I think Smith & Co will have progressed enough to get them the win. 9-6

Carolina at Tampa Bay: I think the Panthers are quite a tough team and obviously injuries could play a part. I assume no major injuries occur and give the Panthers the win. 9-7

Tampa finish 9-7 which I think is a success on the season. With games against the Skins, Titans, Texans, Lions and the Cardinals, Tampa has a pretty comfortable schedule (4th easiest I believe) so it is not out of reach provided they win a few close ones.

M.O.T.H.
06-12-2007, 05:45 AM
Wow, that stretch does suck for the Ravens...

EdReedUnstoppable
06-12-2007, 05:46 AM
Wow, that stretch does suck for the Ravens...

Yeah, strait up s****y schedule.

niel89
06-12-2007, 05:47 AM
Baltimore Ravens

1)@ Bengals: Ravens drop this one is an embarassing game. we look bad on offense and dont look on the same page. D looks good but gives up a few big plays and it costs us. L

2)Jets: Defense. the D is forced to carry us through yet another game as the offense comes together just enough to not lose it for us. W

3)Cardinals: Finally the offense shows up. Willis has a nice game on the ground and McNair plays solid yet unspectacular. D gets some helpful turnovers. W

4)@Browns: Close game if frye is still in there, but the D shuts down Jamal Lewis. if quinn is in expect good size margin of victory. W

5)@ 49ers: another really good game. the Up and coming 9ers fight hard and lead early but the D steps up and the offense produces enough to come back to win it. W

6)Rams: Rams come in and have a great day. SJax has a great day(meaning an ok day vs a great run defence) and rams passing attack is on. Ravens O just looks inept and falls on their faces. L

7)@Bills: Willis has a field day against his old team, putting up 100+ yrds and 2 TDs. coupled with good defensive play the Ravens win by just enough. W

8) Bye: A God send to the aging vets on D.

9) @Steelers: A big win. The rested ravens D shows up in a big way, but the real reason for this win is the lack of physical play by the steelers. they lose the fight on both sides of the trenches. W

10)Bengals: At home the ravens actually are able to limit the bengals explosive offense, save 2 big plays resulting in a TD and a field goal. Ravens have one good drive for a TD and big help from the defense to make it possible to punch it in close. we split the year. W

11)Browns: Offense clicks and D dominates especially if rookie quinn is in. W

12)@Chargers: LT has a great day. Ravens offense is just ok, but no last second heroics this year. charger take it. L

13)Patriots: Tom Brady just has too much talent and takes this one away. L

14)Colts: Sweet revenge. The Ravens D get at manning and makes him less spectacular. Ravens O is good enough to put some points on the board and D limits manning just enough. Home field really helps this time, and out of this 3 game streak the Ravens should win at least one. W

15)@Dolphins: ooh good game. 2 good D's collide but i think that the ravens have a more solid offense and in a rare occurrence the O wins the game. Green struggles with the pressure. W

16)@Seahawks: Solid loss. the Seahawks remain plenty talented but struggled with injuries last year. with Hasslebeck and Alexander on their game the produce a very nice offense. L

17)Steelers: Low scoring game with the steeler pulling this one out. L

10-6. we back in to a wildcard spot.

niel89
06-12-2007, 05:49 AM
Us not losing a divisional game? Three years ago. I think it happened three straight years in that streak. Only lost one last year on a massive fluke. I really don't expect us to lose to Washington or New York, and Dallas is a toss-up but I'd never EXPECT or PREDICT a loss to Dallas. That would be UnEaglelike.

thats more like it :D

EdReedUnstoppable
06-12-2007, 05:52 AM
14)Colts: Sweet revenge. The Ravens D get at manning and makes him less spectacular. Ravens O is good enough to put some points on the board and D limits manning just enough. Home field really helps this time, and out of this 3 game streak the Ravens should win at least one. W

Didn't you learn from the playoffs last year, when I told yall what was gonna happen before it happened. The refs never call the Colts OL for holding our guys, cause they don't want Peyton (The Golden Child) to get hurt. You can't tell me all of a sudden Suggs, Pryce, Scott, Lewis just forget how to pass rush, those bass turds hold us on every down and it never gets called. The refs will never let us compete with the Colts fairly.

amazingdonnie
06-12-2007, 06:53 AM
New England Patriots:

Week 1 @ Jets: (W) Patriots passing game mauls Jets defenders, Maroney shuts out the game in the 2nd half. 34-21

Week 2 vs Chargers: (W) The Norv Turner Chargers aren't the same team that played in January, however the talent on this team makes the game extremely close a (L) is very possible here. 21-17

Week 3 vs Bills: (W) Bills weakness on both sides of the ball is evident as New England pours it on in a solid victory. 31-13

Week 4 @ Bengals: (L) The Bengals explode in the 2nd half to suprise the patriots. Chad Johnson dominates at the challenge of Randy Moss, the 2 receivers make this game a shutout, Bengals win on last possession.
42-49

Week 5 vs Browns: (W) The Browns offense does surprisingly well, with old Romeo giving Brady Quinn a few pointers. But the defense can't stop the other Brady. 27-18

Week 6 @ Cowboys: (W) A pissed of Pats defense makes a statement, shutting down T.O, in a vengeance game. 24-7

Week 7 @ Dolphins: (W) Another solid win, the dolphins are forced to pass pass pass, Trent Green doesn't get it done. 38-14

Week 8 vs Redskins: (W) Pats defense comes up big, with many turnovers, making Campbell look silly. Offense takes advantage and grinds this one.
21-3

Week 9 @ Colts: (W) Pats finally turn the tables back in their favor. Bellichick exposes Manning's offense through many complex blitzes, using a light 4-3 to fluster manning's O-Line. Manning is sacked 5 times, game still ends up close as always. 35-31

Week 10: Bye, at just the right time.

Week 11 @ Bills: (W) Bills give a decent game, Losman progresses to help make this game closer. Maroney wins the game with 140+ yards, as the bills focus primarily on stopping the pass. 21-14

Week 12 vs Eagles: (W) The eagles, with Kolb starting (Mcnabb gets hurt :P) just don't have the firepower to score, the defense holds the pats defense off respectably though. 14-3

Week 13 @ Ravens: (W) Ravens offense is not productive, failing to register 100 yards total offense. The Patriots are similar, as their offense seems in a drag. 10-3

Week 14 vs Steelers: (W) Patriots offense is rejuvenated, as they solidly route the Steelers. 31-10

Week 15 vs Jets: (L) The Jets secondary has come along way since Week 1. They keep this game very close, in the end, a kick return seals this one for the Jets. Tom Brady can't score at the buzzer. 24-28

Week 16 vs Dolphins: (W) Pats bounce back with a pissed off dominate performance on both sides of the Ball. Dolphins players have given up at their dismal record. 34-7

Week 17 @ Giants: Bellichick makes a fool of the other Manning, forces 4 INTs. The defense capitalizes, and Maroney takes over this one. 31-3

Final Record: 14-2 Homefield advantage because of head to head with Colts.

jkb528
06-12-2007, 08:56 AM
The refs will never let us compete with the Colts fairly.

It's probably your telent level that prevents that.

Anywho, the Buffalo Bills...

vs Denver: L, 0-1, Denver's my black horse to win the AFC. Cutler is only getting better, and Travis Henry is a great fit in their offense.
@ Pittsburgh: W, 1-1, Close contest, because I dont see Pittsburgh being as bad as last year, but I think our speedy wideouts give their secondary trouble.
@ New England: L, 1-2, Randy will own us.
vs New York Jets: W, 2-2 I see us splitting with the Jets. Their probably better, but I think we can get one at home.
vs Dallas: L, 2-3, Dallas isnt as good as their fans think they are, but I think we'll struggle against elite wideouts like TO and Moss.
vs Baltimore: L, 2-4, Willis is an asshat, but the Ravens are obviously a better team overall.
@ New York Jets: L, 2-5, They win one at their own place. These two games should be very close, I think.
vs Cincinatti: L, 2-6, Should be a high scoring game, but Cinci should come out on top.
@ Miami: W, 3-6, I like our defense to get to Green a lot, and the offense to have some good success.
vs New England: L, 3-7, Randy own us, again.
@ Jacksonville: W, 4-7, we beat them last season, and I think we match up well against this squad.
@ Washington: W, 5-7, I haven't seen too much out of Jason Campbell, and as long as we dont let Portis go bonkers, we can win this one.
vs Miami: W, 6-7, Miami in Buffalo in December spells a win for the home team.
@ Cleveland: W, 7-7, I like Cleveland's young talent, but I still think they'll be a bit overmatched.
vs New York Giants: L, 7-8, I think we could possibly win this one if the Giants dont do well in the post-Tiki era, and have already imploded by this point, but assuming they somehow manage not to underachieve, we lose.
@ Philidelphia: L, 7-9, Maybe they wrap the division up early and rest their starters and give us a free win...

Mr. Stiller
06-12-2007, 09:19 AM
Honestly,

This season, In my opinion, will come down between the Steelers and Ravens.

* The Bengals have done absolutely nothing to fix their horrible run defense.
* They're top CB, Jonathan Joseph just broke his foot (I know he'll be back for camp, but those can linger).
* They cut Sam Adams, who, doesn't make a lot of plays, but certainly tires offensive lines out, and takes up a mad amount of space.
* They drafted an overrated Leon Hall. If Lewis can coach him up, fine, but he was mediocre in college
* They lost Chris Henry for the first 8 games of the season.

Now that last bullet is key... they're big playmaker out the first 8 games of the season.

And those 8 games?

Baltimore, @Cleveland, @Seattle, New England, @Kansas City, N.Y.Jets, Pittsburgh, and @Buffalo.

Of those the only ones that can really be in their favor are Cleveland, KC and NYJ.

To even have a chance at the Division Crown, they'd have to literally come out 5-3 in that span.

I'm figuring you need at least 11 wins to get in the playoffs (possibly 10), and I don't see Cincinnati doing it this year.

I can see Pittsburgh at 12-4..

@ Cleveland - W (1-0)
Buffalo - W(2-0)
San Francisco - W(3-0)
@Arizona - W(4-0)
Seattle - W(5-0)
@Denver - L(5-1)
@Cincy - W(6-1)
Baltimore - W(7-1)
Cleveland - W(8-1)
@NYJ - W(9-1)
Miami - W(10-1)
Cincy - W(11-1)
@NE - L(11-2)
Jacksonville - L(11-3)
@St. Louis - W(12-3)
@Baltimore- L(12-4)

Thats very plausible. Give or take a loss here or there.

ricky bobby
06-12-2007, 09:34 AM
Atlanta Falcons:

vs. N.Y. Giants - W -
Without Tiki the Falcons simply are too much for the Giants to handle, and while their defense will get after Vick something fierce, the offensive line has started to meld under the new system and is able to hold up enough to give Vick the little bit of time and some running lanes to really have a great game, and the Falcons are able to beat a very tough Giants team at home.

Don't worry about our offense. We have Brandon Jacobs, the 6'4" 265 pound running back. Our running game may be a bit worse than last year, but there won't be a huge drop off. Tiki Barber was great, but he wasn't anything spectacular physically. A lot of Tiki's success can be accredited to our Offensive line. If our defense can stay healthy, we will be all over Vick. I don't think the Falcons will be "too much for the Giants to handle" by any means.

DeathbyStat
06-12-2007, 09:44 AM
Honestly,

This season, In my opinion, will come down between the Steelers and Ravens.

* The Bengals have done absolutely nothing to fix their horrible run defense.
* They're top CB, Jonathan Joseph just broke his foot (I know he'll be back for camp, but those can linger).
* They cut Sam Adams, who, doesn't make a lot of plays, but certainly tires offensive lines out, and takes up a mad amount of space.
* They drafted an overrated Leon Hall. If Lewis can coach him up, fine, but he was mediocre in college
* They lost Chris Henry for the first 8 games of the season.

Now that last bullet is key... they're big playmaker out the first 8 games of the season.

And those 8 games?

Baltimore, @Cleveland, @Seattle, New England, @Kansas City, N.Y.Jets, Pittsburgh, and @Buffalo.

Of those the only ones that can really be in their favor are Cleveland, KC and NYJ.

To even have a chance at the Division Crown, they'd have to literally come out 5-3 in that span.

I'm figuring you need at least 11 wins to get in the playoffs (possibly 10), and I don't see Cincinnati doing it this year.

I can see Pittsburgh at 12-4..

@ Cleveland - W (1-0)
Buffalo - W(2-0)
San Francisco - W(3-0)
@Arizona - W(4-0)
Seattle - W(5-0)
@Denver - L(5-1)
@Cincy - W(6-1)
Baltimore - W(7-1)
Cleveland - W(8-1)
@NYJ - W(9-1)
Miami - W(10-1)
Cincy - W(11-1)
@NE - L(11-2)
Jacksonville - L(11-3)
@St. Louis - W(12-3)
@Baltimore- L(12-4)

Thats very plausible. Give or take a loss here or there.

Steelers 9-7

Staubach12
06-12-2007, 09:48 AM
NYG- Manning will come out at the first of the season looking very good. He'll play well, and Jacobs and Droughns will do well, but nothing Tiki Barber-esque They're offense plays fairly well, but in the end, ours will put us above. W (1-0)

@Miami- Miami is looking like a fairly good team, howver, I think the pressure we can put on they're Offenseive line will outweigh any other factor in the game. W (2-0)

@Chicago- This should be very close. All units will do very well, but in the end, Chicago will win the close one. L (2-1)

St Louis- This should be a shootout. However, I think our defense will be able to make some key stops and allow us to pick up the win. W (3-1)

@Buffalo- They're just not far-enough along to beat a team of our caliber. It'll be a fairly close game, but Dallas wins due to several great late drives. W (4-1)

New England- New England will bring us back down to earth. They'll outscore us by several scores even though we're at home. L (4-2)

Minnesota- Our defense should be able to force enough critical mistakes to pull out the game. However, our defense is still has they're mind on the NE game, and it suffers a bit. W (5-2)

BYE

@Phily- With two weeks to prepare, we'll make this the best game of the week. It'll come down to the wire, but a late drive by Tony Romo will put us above. W (6-2)

@NYG- New York will be ready for us this time. We'll come into the game a bit cocky, and that'll allow the Giants to take advantage of some critical mistakes. L (6-3)

Was- Portis can only carry this offense so far. And our offense should be able to put points on the board. W (7-3)

NYJ- This'll be a close one. They're going to try to do the same things that New England did to us, but in the end, we'll have cleaned up those mishaps before the game enough to win it. W (8-3)

GB - This outta be good. Tony will be going up against his idol. However, that won't stop him from playing a very good game against them, and Favre, in an attempt to come back, will make several mistakes that seal the deal. W (9-3)

@Det- Detroit will surprise us again this year. They're passing game will put a lot of stress on our secondary IF Kitna has enough time. I think in the end, the pressure will cause some mistakes that win us the game. W (10-3)

Phily- Oh gosh. We'll come in prepared, but they're going to be on another level. They hand us a loss fairly easily. L (10-4)

@Car- We should be able to put enough pressure on Delhomme to keep the ball out of Steve Smiths hand. We should also be able to run well against them. W (11-4)

@Was- Washington will have given up hope on their season by this point. They're just out to knock us back a few playoff spots. Despite their best efforts, we still win fairly easily. W (12-4)

ricky bobby
06-12-2007, 09:55 AM
New York Giants

Dallas – L – Giants will for the first time face Wade Phillip’s aggressive defense and will look confused at times.
Score: 24 - 17
Giants Player of the Game: Brandon Jacobs 120 yards, 1 TD

Green Bay – W – Green Bay will have no rushing attack forcing Favre to pass. Osi Strahan and Kiwi will pin their ears back and harass Favre all day.
Score: 27 - 7
Giants Player of the Game: Osi Umenyiora 6 tackles, 2 sacks, 1 FF

Washington – W – Giants will run Brandon Jacobs off tackle all game to take advantage of the poor DE play of Washington. Jacobs will break the 150 yard mark.
Score: 21 - 7
Giants Player of the Game: Brandon Jacobs 153 yards, 3 TDs

Philadelphia – L – McNabb will be too much for the Giant’s secondary to handle
Score 24 - 21
Giants Player of the Game: Eli Manning 250 yards, 2 TDs

New York Jets – L – Giants again fail to play well against a 3-4 defense
Score: 17 - 10
Giants Player of the Game: Sinorice Moss 7 receptions, 120 yards, 1 TD

Atlanta – W – Giants harass Vick’s undisciplined play all day long.
Score: 27 - 10
Giants Player of the Game: Mathias Kiwankua 12 tackles, 3 TFL, 1 sack, 1 INT

San Fran – L – Giants find that spending in Free Agency does in fact win games
Score: 28 - 21
Giants Player of the Game: Gibril Wilson 13 tackles, 1 sack, 1 INT

Miami – W – Miami suffers from Jetlag from the trip to London and the Giants win easily
Score: 35 - 14
Giants player of the Game: Eli Manning 320 passing yards, 3 TDs

Bye

Dallas – W – Instead of attacking with Jacobs, the Giants line up with 4 WRs and Eli throws for over 350 yards in the victory.
Score: 28-17
Giants player of the Game: Eli Manning 356 yards, 4 TDs

Detroit – L – What looked like a ‘gimme’ goes wrong for the giants. They simply can’t defend Roy Williams and Calvin Johnson
Score: 42 - 35
Giants player of the Game: Eli Manning 350 yards, 3 TDs

Minnesota – W – Giants Defense runs all over the young QB
Score 17 - 3
Giants player of the Game: Aaron Ross, 5 tackles 2 INTs

Chicago – W – After last year’s meltdown, the Giants come back with fury. Corey Webster takes revenge on Grossman with 2 picks.
Score 24 - 13
Giants Player of the Game: Corey Webster 6 tackles, 2 INTs, 1 sack

Philadelphia – W – Giants are on a roll at this point. McNabb is injured, again, and the Giants win big vs. the young QB.
Score: 28 - 10
Giants Player of the Game: Barry Cofield 9 tackles, 3 TFL, 1 sack, 1 FF

Washington – W – Giants give Washington another taste of the unstoppable force known as Brandon Jacobs.
Score 17 - 7
Giants Player of the Game: Brandon Jacobs 130 yards 1 TD

Buffalo – W – Giants shut down Marshawn Lynch and force Losman to beat them through the air. He can’t do that with only one decent reciever
Score 10 - 3
Giants player of the Game: Gibril Wilson 13 tackles 2 sacks

New England – W – Both teams have their division wrapped up and play their benches. Needless to say, Jared Lorenzen throws for 300 yards and rushes for 150 more leaving the Giants with a dilemma; Who to start in the playoffs.
Score: 49 - 45
Giants Player of the Game - Jared Lorenzen 450 total yards.

Record 11-5

neko4
06-12-2007, 10:32 AM
Green Bay
PHI-L-This game will be much closer than recent games between the two, but GB rushing attack will be downfall.

NYG-W-Driver/Jennings will get open easy against NYG secondary. CLifton and Tauscher are good enough to take on NYG's DEs.

SD-LGreen Bay's D-line is tested and fails.

MIN-W-Like in the NYG game, Driver/Jennings to have a big day. Welcome to the NFL AD. He and Taylor will get stuffed at the line.

CHI-L-GB still winless at home. The young team will compete, and come close.

WAS-WNo way GB loses 4 straight home games. Packers pull it off in close one.

DEN-L-Favre 3 INT's nuff said

KC-W-GB defense shuts down the run against a tired LJ, and KC has troubles passing.

MIN-W-Welcome to Lambeau AD.

CAR-L-Loss in a high scoring game.

DET-W-GB might give up lots of yards, but DET wont be able to stop GB WR's.

DAL-W-Botched snap by Romo gives GB the win. :)
GB will shutdown TO, and therefore most of the passing attack.

OAK-W-Has anyone picked OAK to win a game yet?

STL-L-This game could end up going into the 30's but Jaackson wins it for STL

CHI-W-Defense has come of age by now. SHutsdown Benson and forces Grosman to throw INT's.

DET-W-DET wont have anything to play for.


10-6 Wildcard

Shiver
06-12-2007, 10:52 AM
Apparently everyone thinks their team will go 10-6/11-5...

ricky bobby
06-12-2007, 10:53 AM
Apparently everyone thinks their team will go 10-6/11-5...
Not necessarily. As a Falcons fan, I think we'll go 2-14.

Moses
06-12-2007, 10:55 AM
Apparently everyone thinks their team will go 10-6/11-5...

Really. I think the worst record I've seen so far is 8-8. Every team is playoff bound basically according to this.

Shiver
06-12-2007, 10:56 AM
Not necessarily. As a Falcons fan, I think we'll go 2-14.

:rolleyes:

senormysterioso
06-12-2007, 11:07 AM
hope springs eternal this time of year

PalmerToCJ
06-12-2007, 11:14 AM
Mr. Stiller, the Bengals run D was top half in the league last year... Everything that could've went wrong did and we still managed 8-8. Losing Henry hurts but our schedule is easier, Kenny Irons will help to lessen that loss and Tab Perry will be back. If you think the Bengals won't figure into the AFCN race you're kidding yourself.

Flyboy
06-12-2007, 12:12 PM
Apparently everyone thinks their team will go 10-6/11-5...

*shrugs* What's wrong with being optimistic?

neko4
06-12-2007, 12:13 PM
I guess we can all say we're doing best case scenario

ricky bobby
06-12-2007, 12:18 PM
I guess we can all say we're doing best case scenario
Best case scenario would be 16-0. I'm just being realistic. The guys that are bashing us for being optimistic are Falcons and Packer fans. They're bitter because they know their teams stink.

Shiver
06-12-2007, 12:21 PM
Best case scenario would be 16-0. I'm just being realistic. The guys that are bashing us for being optimistic are Falcons and Packer fans. They're bitter because they know their teams stink.

That's hilarious. Nothing beats the 'they're just jealous' line. I personally think the Giants are destined for a top-5 pick. Even if Atlanta is bad, and they very may may be, they will be better than the Giants.

Moses
06-12-2007, 12:21 PM
Best case scenario would be 16-0. I'm just being realistic. The guys that are bashing us for being optimistic are Falcons and Packer fans. They're bitter because they know their teams stink.

Funny that you think a team that went 8-8 last year (same as the Packers) is so amazing. How exactly did they get better this season?

Flyboy
06-12-2007, 12:23 PM
Funny that you think a team that went 8-8 last year (same as the Packers) is so amazing. How exactly did they get better this season?

Um, they got... Steve Smith?

...

That's all I got. :confused:

Moses
06-12-2007, 12:24 PM
Um, they got... Steve Smith?

...

That's all I got. :confused:

Yup...that was probably their biggest pickup.

They didn't lose much either. Just their two starting OLBs, LT, and a few backups I believe.

Shiver
06-12-2007, 12:25 PM
Uh they lost Tiki Barber, who was the only thing that kept them a float last year... Without him they would have been a 5-11 team last year.

Addict
06-12-2007, 12:26 PM
I"ll just do a short one... For the lions

@ Oakland - I'm gonna say Lions win this one, JR is still a rookie and the Oakland offense didn't improve too much other than at QB, Don't expect a big score though, because the Raiders do have a good D. (1-0)

Minnesota - We're at home, they have a second year QB who's convinced nobody yet, other than AD little to be really scared about. I think we'll pull this one out (2-0) OMG A WINNING STREAK!!!

@ Philadelphia - Fun time stops here. Eagles are gonna make mince meat out of our secondary. (2-1)

Chicago - Yeah, the Bears... eh... (2-2)

@ Washington - Providing the O-Line can hold it's own and we avoid passing over the middle, we should be OK in this one. (3-2)

Tampa Bay - Hell why not win this one, let's have ourselfves another two-game win streak... (4-2)

@ Chicago - damn you! (4-3)

Denver - The real question isn't 'will we win?' it's 'how often will Champ intercept Kitna?', also Cutler will own our secondary (4-4)

@ Arizona - Anquan Boldin + Larry Fitzgerald - Our Secondary = Anquan Boldin & Larry Fitzgerald. Easiest math ever (4-5)

NY Giants - Me no like Eli. (5-5)

Green Bay - We could win this one, but since I cheated against NYG, let's call this a loss (5-6)

@ Minnesota - Well here either they lynched Tavaris and the void at QB will allow us to win, or he's proven to be a decent guy and they'll beat him. I opt for number one. (6-6)

Dallas - We're gonna win this one, easily, Dallas has no defense and their offense sucks (6-7) before the fangirls start to scream, look at the record
@ San Diego - Unless LT and Antonio Gates manage to fall of the face of the earth this is a no-brainer (6-8)

Kansas City - Ehm... who plays QB? Anyways aging Defense and a weakened O-line, I don't see the Chiefs win it. By the time this game comes by LJ has to tie his shoes around his knees since the rest has been sanded off by all the carries he's getting (7-8)

@ Green Bay - Eh... No, we won't have a winning record yet. Total bummer, but we didn't improve enough. (7-9)

Flyboy
06-12-2007, 12:27 PM
Uh they lost Tiki Barber, who was the only thing that kept them a float last year... Without him they would have been a 5-11 team last year.

You're not playing the game right, Shiver. We're talking about how they improved. Silly.

Moses
06-12-2007, 12:27 PM
Uh they lost Tiki Barber, who was the only thing that kept them a float last year... Without him they would have been a 5-11 team last year.

Oh right, forgot about him. Don't worry though, they're a much better team now. They should have no trouble competing in a division with the Eagles and Cowboys.

ricky bobby
06-12-2007, 12:29 PM
That's hilarious. Nothing beats the 'they're just jealous' line. I personally think the Giants are destined for a top-5 pick. Even if Atlanta is bad, and they very may may be, they will be better than the Giants.
That would be something wouldn't it?
Funny that you think a team that went 8-8 last year (same as the Packers) is so amazing. How exactly did they get better this season?
Last season they went 8-8 playing the hardest schedule in the NFL. They also lost half of their starters on defense, Our LT, and Eli's security blanket. So at the end of the season we had a 40 year old LT, 1 WR (Plaxico Burress, the rest of the guys did NOTHING), and a bunch of backups starting on defense. Heck, we had a DT starting at DE. We were 5-2, then the injuries sank in. At least we made the playoffs.

This year Eli will have 2 more WRs in Steve Smith and Sinorice Moss (if he can stay healthy). Brandon Jacobs and Droughns will split time in the backfield, don't worry about the loss of Tiki. We added a corner in Aaron Ross who can imediately start. We added depth and youth at every single position in case injuries strike again. This year, our schedule is much, much easier. I can easily see us winning 3 more games.

Moses
06-12-2007, 12:34 PM
That would be something wouldn't it?

Last season they went 8-8 playing the hardest schedule in the NFL. They also lost half of their starters on defense, Our LT, and Eli's security blanket. So at the end of the season we had a 40 year old LT, 1 WR (Plaxico Burress, the rest of the guys did NOTHING), and a bunch of backups starting on defense. Heck, we had a DT starting at DE. We were 5-2, then the injuries sank in. At least we made the playoffs.

This year Eli will have 2 more WRs in Steve Smith and Sinorice Moss (if he can stay healthy). Brandon Jacobs and Droughns will split time in the backfield, don't worry about the loss of Tiki. We added a corner in Aaron Ross who can imediately start. We added depth and youth at every single position in case injuries strike again. This year, our schedule is much, much easier. I can easily see us winning 3 more games.

Injuries happen. Most teams are ravaged by injuries. That's why backups are important. Where are you getting this "hardest schedule" from?

You have lost more than you have gained this year. I don't see how you think you'll be a much better team, especially when you consider you're playing in the same division as Dallas and Philadelphia.

You're depending on a rookie receiver and an unproven Sinorice Moss (5 receptions for 25 yards) to be upgrades at WR? Plaxico Burress is Mr. Inconsistentcy.

You lost your best player in Tiki Barber. He held that offence together. Jacobs and Droughns are decent but not in the same league as Tiki.

Aaron Ross is another unproven rookie. Maybe he'll start, maybe he won't. Either way, he won't be much of an upgrade (if he is at all) in his first season.

Who are your starting OLBs now? Who's your starting LT?

steelernation77
06-12-2007, 12:34 PM
I'm seeing alot of people think that their teams are going to "dominate" or "route" or "sweep" the steelers but I have a really good feeling about this season, and I don't think it's gonna happen. The steelers tend to perform better when headed in to the season as underdogs and I think that a healthy Ben and a rejuvenated pass rush, and some new offensive formations could make this a whole different team from a year ago.

And the day that the #$@%ing Jets "dominate" us is the day I poop a horse.
Just because people are suddenly on your bandwagon doesn't mean you're in the upper tier of the NFL.

ricky bobby
06-12-2007, 12:46 PM
Injuries happen. Most teams are ravaged by injuries. That's why backups are important. Where are you getting this "hardest schedule" from?

Injuries happen, but what the giants went through last year with injuries was beyond compare, it was more like carnage. We shared the hardest schedule in the league with the Bengals going into the season.

You have lost more than you have gained this year. I don't see how you think you'll be a much better team, especially when you consider you're playing in the same division as Dallas and Philadelphia.

Dallas has a new coach, old WRs, and a QB that is less experienced than Eli. Philadelphia has McNabb, but his injuries and age may be slowing him down soon

You're depending on a rookie receiver and an unproven Sinorice Moss (5 receptions for 25 yards) to be upgrades at WR? Plaxico Burress is Mr. Inconsistentcy.

Sinorice Moss was one of the players that was injured last year with a bad quad. He saw very limited playing time. He has world class athleticism and if he can stay healthy, he'll contribute. Our WR corp. Plaxico, Toomer (consistant), Steve Smith, Sinorice Moss. That's better than what we finished with last year - Plaxico, Tim Carter, David Tyree.

You lost your best player in Tiki Barber. He held that offence together. Jacobs and Droughns are decent but not in the same league as Tiki.

Tiki was nothing spectacular physically. He was just a patient runner who used our Offensive line very well. A lot of his success can be accredited to our O-line and Jacobs will be inheriting 4 out of 5 of those linemen.

Aaron Ross is another unproven rookie. Maybe he'll start, maybe he won't. Either way, he won't be much of an upgrade (if he is at all) in his first season.

Our CBs sucked last year. McQuarters, Madison, and Webster. Two are old, and I think all of them were injured at some point. Ross won the award for the best D-back in the NCAA. He is 25 years old, experienced and I believe he will start day 1. He's a playmaker in the seconday, something we've been missing.

Who are your starting OLBs now? Who's your starting LT?

Starting OLBs will be Mathias Kiwanuka, converted DE who is just a freak of nature, and probably Kawika Mitchell. Kiwanuka will have to grow into the role, but his athleticism will help him with that. Mitchell will have to fight with Gerris Wilkinson and maybe Zach DeOssie to get the WLB spot. Our MLB is Antonio Pierce, probowler last year.

Moses
06-12-2007, 12:48 PM
Injuries happen. Most teams are ravaged by injuries. That's why backups are important. Where are you getting this "hardest schedule" from?

Injuries happen, but what the giants went through last year with injuries was beyond compare, it was more like carnage. We shared the hardest schedule in the league with the Bengals going into the season.

You have lost more than you have gained this year. I don't see how you think you'll be a much better team, especially when you consider you're playing in the same division as Dallas and Philadelphia.

Dallas has a new coach, old WRs, and a QB that is less experienced than Eli. Philadelphia has McNabb, but his injuries and age may be slowing him down soon

You're depending on a rookie receiver and an unproven Sinorice Moss (5 receptions for 25 yards) to be upgrades at WR? Plaxico Burress is Mr. Inconsistentcy.

Sinorice Moss was one of the players that was injured last year with a bad quad. He saw very limited playing time. He has world class athleticism and if he can stay healthy, he'll contribute. Our WR corp. Plaxico, Toomer (consistant), Steve Smith, Sinorice Moss. That's better than what we finished with last year - Plaxico, Tim Carter, David Tyree.

You lost your best player in Tiki Barber. He held that offence together. Jacobs and Droughns are decent but not in the same league as Tiki.

Tiki was nothing spectacular physically. He was just a patient runner who used our Offensive line very well. A lot of his success can be accredited to our O-line and Jacobs will be inheriting 4 out of 5 of those linemen.

Aaron Ross is another unproven rookie. Maybe he'll start, maybe he won't. Either way, he won't be much of an upgrade (if he is at all) in his first season.

Our CBs sucked last year. McQuarters, Madison, and Webster. Two are old, and I think all of them were injured at some point. Ross won the award for the best D-back in the NCAA. He is 25 years old, experienced and I believe he will start day 1. He's a playmaker in the seconday, something we've been missing.

Who are your starting OLBs now? Who's your starting LT?

Starting OLBs will be Mathias Kiwanuka, converted DE who is just a freak of nature, and probably Kawika Mitchell. Kiwanuka will have to grow into the role, but his athleticism will help him with that. Mitchell will have to fight with Gerris Wilkinson and maybe Zach DeOssie to get the WLB spot. Our MLB is Antonio Pierce, probowler last year.

That's all very nice, but there are FAR more questions than answers there. Giants could just as easily got 5-11 as they could go 11-5.

M.O.T.H.
06-12-2007, 12:50 PM
I hate that argument about the cowboys having old receivers... Both Owens and Glenn have shown no signs of slowing down... each caught 70 + passes last season and each finished with 1,000+ yards...

ricky bobby
06-12-2007, 12:52 PM
That's all very nice, but there are FAR more questions than answers there. Giants could just as easily got 5-11 as they could go 11-5.
Well anyone can go anything in any year. Who would have thought the Steelers would stink last year? A prediction is nothing more than a prediction. I don't know why you and Shiver have your panties up in bunches over it.

ricky bobby
06-12-2007, 12:54 PM
I hate that argument about the cowboys having old receivers... Both Owens and Glenn have shown no signs of slowing down... each caught 70 + passes last season and each finished with 1,000+ yards...
Then they are long overdue to slow down. If they were simply possesion recievers, i'd understand your point. But, one is a speed guy, another is a catch and plow people over guy. Those abilities tend to drastically decrease with age.

Shiver
06-12-2007, 01:00 PM
Well anyone can go anything in any year. Who would have thought the Steelers would stink last year? A prediction is nothing more than a prediction. I don't know why you and Shiver have your panties up in bunches over it.


Because you called us out.

M.O.T.H.
06-12-2007, 01:01 PM
Then they are long overdue to slow down. If they were simply possesion recievers, i'd understand your point. But, one is a speed guy, another is a catch and plow people over guy. Those abilities tend to drastically decrease with age.

Yes but, they have shown zero signs of slowing... Based on how they played and moved last season... I can't see a large drop off at all...if anything they should both put up better numbers. Terry still runs like a 25 year old... and T.O. always has his body in tip-top shape...both these guys still have a lot life in their legs. Age hasnt been an issue... I'm not worried until I start seeing some real signs and some kind of degression.

ricky bobby
06-12-2007, 01:07 PM
Because you called us out.
I called you out because you called the rest of us out with the following comments.
Apparently everyone thinks their team will go 10-6/11-5...

Really. I think the worst record I've seen so far is 8-8. Every team is playoff bound basically according to this.

ricky bobby
06-12-2007, 01:08 PM
Yes but, they have shown zero signs of slowing... Based on how they played and moved last season... I can't see a large drop off at all...if anything they should both put up better numbers. Terry still runs like a 25 year old... and T.O. always has his body in tip-top shape...both these guys still have a lot life in their legs. Age hasnt been an issue... I'm not worried until I start seeing some real signs and some kind of degression.
Yeah, but with stricter steriod testing... jk

How old are those guys btw?

Moses
06-12-2007, 01:09 PM
I called you out because you called the rest of us out with the following comments.

Because the predictions in this thread are mostly just people being homers...

Try analyzing a team that you don't cheer for and you'll find that your prediction is much more conservative.

M.O.T.H.
06-12-2007, 01:10 PM
T.O. is currently 33 and Terry is 32.

ricky bobby
06-12-2007, 01:13 PM
Because the predictions in this thread are mostly just people being homers...

Try analyzing a team that you don't cheer for and you'll find that your prediction is much more conservative.
Oh yeah? Try finding a fan that is completely unbiased. Other than yourself of course.

Moses
06-12-2007, 01:14 PM
Oh yeah? Try finding a fan that is completely unbiased. Other than yourself of course.

That's why I said this thread had predictions that were unrealistic...

ricky bobby
06-12-2007, 01:16 PM
That's why I said this thread had predictions that were unrealistic...
And how do you see the Packers doing???

M.O.T.H.
06-12-2007, 01:23 PM
All homerism aside... 11-5 for the Cowboys, completely plausible.

Moses
06-12-2007, 01:24 PM
And how do you see the Packers doing???

Hard to say. They're the youngest team in the league so there's a lot of question marks:

-Will the young offensive line continue to improve?
-Will Greg Jennings play like he did pre-injury last year?
-Will a 3rd WR emerge as a legitimate target?
-Will a 3rd CB emerge as a legitimate nickelback?
-Will the combination of Morency and Jackson be good enough to establish a strong running game?
-Will Nick Collins build off his strong last few games or play like he did early in the season?
-Will the strong safety situation be improved?
-Will the Packers abysmal tight end play improve somehow even though it's now worse on paper?

Those are the main concerns the Packers have off the top of my head. They're depending on a lot of young players which is always a cause for concern. I think they'll end up answering a lot of those questions, but I would expect a few to be unanswered.

The Packers have the benefit of playing in the weak NFC, and specifically NFC North. Playing 4 games against the Vikings and Lions will definitely help their cause.

That said, the Packers still have a ton of question marks. Right now I think they could sneak into the playoffs if the Bears regress (which I think is a possibility). I'd slate the Packers somewhere around 7-9 wins at this point.

Addict
06-12-2007, 01:26 PM
Hard to say. They're the youngest team in the league so there's a lot of question marks:

-Will the young offensive line continue to improve?
-Will Greg Jennings play like he did pre-injury last year?
-Will a 3rd WR emerge as a legitimate target?
-Will a 3rd CB emerge as a legitimate nickelback?
-Will the combination of Morency and Jackson be good enough to establish a strong running game?
-Will Nick Collins build off his strong last few games or play like he did early in the season?
-Will the strong safety situation be improved?
-Will the Packers abysmal tight end play improve somehow even though it's now worse on paper?

Those are the main concerns the Packers have off the top of my head. They're depending on a lot of young players which is always a cause for concern. I think they'll end up answering a lot of those questions, but I would expect a few to be unanswered.

The Packers have the benefit of playing in the weak NFC, and specifically NFC North. Playing 4 games against the Vikings and Lions will definitely help their cause.

That said, the Packers still have a ton of question marks. Right now I think they could sneak into the playoffs if the Bears regress (which I think is a possibility). I'd slate the Packers somewhere around 7-9 wins at this point.

You big meanie! I don't care if you're right

Moses
06-12-2007, 01:28 PM
You big meanie! I don't care if you're right

I'll probably end up eating my words when the Bears and Packers finish 3rd and 4th and the Lions and Vikings dominate the division.

Then again, maybe I won't. ;)

Addict
06-12-2007, 01:31 PM
I'll probably end up eating my words when the Bears and Packers finish 3rd and 4th and the Lions and Vikings dominate the division.

Then again, maybe I won't. ;)

Just you wait! and then wait some more! And then maybe a little more after that! But you'll see! Maybe... ugh who the hell am I kidding :(

ricky bobby
06-12-2007, 01:38 PM
Moses, you are extremely boring with your predictions. If every fan in the world was like you, we would have no message boards.

ny10804
06-12-2007, 01:39 PM
Detroit should sign Culpepper, let Martz go crazy, and have Calvin and Roy do go-patterns on every single play. Only then would they have a chance at winning the Norse.

Moses
06-12-2007, 01:41 PM
Moses, you are extremely boring with your predictions. If every fan in the world was like you, we would have no message boards.

Boring with my predictions? I make realistic predictions aka I'm not a blind homer who only follows their own team. I love to see Green Bay win but that doesn't change the fact that I'm a fan of the LEAGUE, not just one team.

ricky bobby
06-12-2007, 01:43 PM
Boring with my predictions? I make realistic predictions aka I'm not a blind homer who only follows their own team. I love to see Green Bay win but that doesn't change the fact that I'm a fan of the LEAGUE, not just one team.
Well isn't that all good and fun.

Addict
06-12-2007, 01:44 PM
Boring with my predictions? I make realistic predictions aka I'm not a blind homer who only follows their own team. I love to see Green Bay win but that doesn't change the fact that I'm a fan of the LEAGUE, not just one team.

he's right you know.

Ewing
06-12-2007, 01:46 PM
at Jacksonville - Loss
Indianapolis - Win
at New Orleans- Loss
BYE
Atlanta- Win
at Tampa Bay - Loss
at Houston - Win
Oakland - Win
Carolina - Loss
Jacksonville - Win
at Denver - Loss
at Cincinnati - Win
Houston - Win
San Diego - Loss
at Kansas City - Loss
New York Jets - Loss
at Indianapolis - Loss

Record - 7-9, 3rd in the division behind the Colts and Jaguars

Smooth Criminal
06-12-2007, 02:20 PM
@Cleveland - W-I don't think Cleveland is good enough just yet. Frye will still be QB and thats not good for Cleveland.

Buffalo - W - Not much talent in Buffalo right now and I'm expecting them to have a slow start. Plus its the home opener.

San Francisco - W - San Fran has alot of young talent and I'm expecting them to have a good year but playing @ Pittsburgh this early in the season could be a big problem for their young talent. Plus the Steelers defenses have been great against the run as was Tomlin's in Minnesota so the bruden of the game will be on Alex Smith.

@Arizona -W- Another team that has alot of young talent but I don't think makes the next step this year. Whisenhunt will be a great coach and will have that team in the playoffs very soon but I don't think this is his year. Leinart needs to develop more and the defense needs some help still.

Seattle -L- I'm expecting a big season out of Seattle. Last year they were killed by the injury bug and still had a decent season. Hasselbeck and ALexander both need to stay healthy and the defense needs to tackle better and thye'll have a great season.

@Denver -W- I don't have faith in Jay Cutler. Their defense wasn't great last season mainly because of their line. They got some help during the offseason but I'm still not expecting the defense to be dominant enough to win without Cutler playing great football.

@Cincinnati -L- Cincy has a very powerful offense and will be good again this year. Their defense has some good talents now and is a more serious threat than it has been in years past.

Baltimore -L- Baltimore is a great defense nad I don't think the Steelers did enough to upgrade their O-line to stop their blitzes.

Cleveland -W- A loss to Cleveland at home?

@N.Y. Jets -W- Theres just something about this team that I don't think they will be very good. Their 3-4 isn't complete enough to be a great defense. I don't think the Steelers will have a problem putting up points against them.

Miami -L- This team needs help badly. They need help along the O-line and on defense but they still took a reciever in the draft. Trent Green is not the answer at QB either.

Cincinnati -W- Steelers always seem to do better against a team the second time they play them. Plus this game is at home.

@New England -L- Steelers have had trouble with the Pats in the past and will likely continue. They are a stacked team this year and I'm expecting them to be dominant.

Jacksonville - W- This should be a great game as most of our matchups are hard nosed physical football. I give the Steelers the edge cause its at home.
@St. Louis - W- St. Louis isn't an incredibly talented team either. They have a weak defensive line and are pretty bad against the run. I can see Willie having a great day on the ground and bringing us the win.

@Baltimore -L- Sorry I just can't see us beating Baltimore @ Baltimore with the talent they have on defense. Maybe next year.

So thats 10-6. Hopefully good enough for a wildcard.

Shiver
06-12-2007, 02:24 PM
I called you out because you called the rest of us out with the following comments.

As I should have. Everyone is acting like a homer. I needed to slap some sense into everyone. Just about every team is going 10-6 according to this thread, which is absurd.

Addict
06-12-2007, 02:34 PM
As I should have. Everyone is acting like a homer. I needed to slap some sense into everyone. Just about every team is going 10-6 according to this thread, which is absurd.

Mine went 9-7... which was still a positive prediction.

Mr. Stiller
06-12-2007, 03:02 PM
Mr. Stiller, the Bengals run D was top half in the league last year... Everything that could've went wrong did and we still managed 8-8. Losing Henry hurts but our schedule is easier, Kenny Irons will help to lessen that loss and Tab Perry will be back. If you think the Bengals won't figure into the AFCN race you're kidding yourself.

I'm not saying they won't figure in..

But how is your schedule easier?

did you see your first 8 games?

@Baltimore, Cleveland, @Seattle, New England, Bye, @KC, NYJ, Pittsburgh, @Buffalo.

If CJ starts off slow again, it's very plausible that you guys could take 3rd place. That is a tough schedule to start out against, especially not having your big play guy.

Mr. Stiller
06-12-2007, 03:08 PM
As I should have. Everyone is acting like a homer. I needed to slap some sense into everyone. Just about every team is going 10-6 according to this thread, which is absurd.

I would just like to Say...As a Steelers fan, we've only had 2 losing seasons since 1992.

In that span...
Divisional Winners: 8 times
Playoff Appearrances: 10 times
Playoff Wins: 12
Conference Championship appearances: 6
Superbowl Appearances: 2
Superbowl Wins: 1.

It's not completely crazy to think we have a chance at 10-6/12-4

SuperMcGee
06-12-2007, 03:16 PM
I'm not saying they won't figure in..

But how is your schedule easier?

did you see your first 8 games?

@Baltimore, Cleveland, @Seattle, New England, Bye, @KC, NYJ, Pittsburgh, @Buffalo.

If CJ starts off slow again, it's very plausible that you guys could take 3rd place. That is a tough schedule to start out against, especially not having your big play guy.

That schedule really isn't as tough as you're trying to make it seem. A tough opener and a game against the NE Godsends, but Pitt and the Jets they have at home and Seattle is alright but defintely beatable. Bills, Cleveland, and Chiefs are just inferior teams, especially in the first half of the season.

Go_Eagles77
06-12-2007, 03:17 PM
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SuperMcGee
06-12-2007, 03:22 PM
It's probably your telent level that prevents that.

Anywho, the Buffalo Bills...

vs Denver: L, 0-1, Denver's my black horse to win the AFC. Cutler is only getting better, and Travis Henry is a great fit in their offense.
@ Pittsburgh: W, 1-1, Close contest, because I dont see Pittsburgh being as bad as last year, but I think our speedy wideouts give their secondary trouble.
@ New England: L, 1-2, Randy will own us.
vs New York Jets: W, 2-2 I see us splitting with the Jets. Their probably better, but I think we can get one at home.
vs Dallas: L, 2-3, Dallas isnt as good as their fans think they are, but I think we'll struggle against elite wideouts like TO and Moss.
vs Baltimore: L, 2-4, Willis is an asshat, but the Ravens are obviously a better team overall.
@ New York Jets: L, 2-5, They win one at their own place. These two games should be very close, I think.
vs Cincinatti: L, 2-6, Should be a high scoring game, but Cinci should come out on top.
@ Miami: W, 3-6, I like our defense to get to Green a lot, and the offense to have some good success.
vs New England: L, 3-7, Randy own us, again.
@ Jacksonville: W, 4-7, we beat them last season, and I think we match up well against this squad.
@ Washington: W, 5-7, I haven't seen too much out of Jason Campbell, and as long as we dont let Portis go bonkers, we can win this one.
vs Miami: W, 6-7, Miami in Buffalo in December spells a win for the home team.
@ Cleveland: W, 7-7, I like Cleveland's young talent, but I still think they'll be a bit overmatched.
vs New York Giants: L, 7-8, I think we could possibly win this one if the Giants dont do well in the post-Tiki era, and have already imploded by this point, but assuming they somehow manage not to underachieve, we lose.
@ Philidelphia: L, 7-9, Maybe they wrap the division up early and rest their starters and give us a free win...

That plays otu so much like a Bills season. Decent out of the gate, then the awful early-mid stretch, followed by a full powered turnaround nearing the end of the year and then just disappointing season ending games.
Our schedule is terribly hard this year, especially the early part of it. Doesn't look too good, but it should be a helluva-n experience for the youngsters. I can only hope that ends up being a good thing for them.

frogstomp
06-12-2007, 03:24 PM
Tiki Barber was a top 5 RB in the NFL the past couple years. I love how Giants fans were so quick to bash any list that didn't have him there, however, now that he's gone, he was "nothing special."

Shiver
06-12-2007, 03:26 PM
Tiki Barber was a top 5 RB in the NFL the past couple years. I love how Giants fans were so quick to bash any list that didn't have him there, however, now that he's gone, he was "nothing special."

The calling card of homers.

dbtb135
06-12-2007, 03:26 PM
Sears better than Joseph (Why do you refer to his first name and the others last?)???? Give me a break. Joseph is going to be dominant on that right side and Sears is completely unproven.

No, Sears/Petitgout better than Joseph/Trueblood. There's a bigger margin between Petitgout and Trueblood than there will be between Sears and Joseph IMO. Joseph was FAR from dominant last year, what makes you think he's going to improve so much, so quickly? He showed flashes, but probably wasn't even as good as Buenning was in 05 as a rookie. Sears is unproven, but so are a lot of rookies who are going to be starters. Doesn't mean you can't have expectations for them. I think Sears will be a solid guard for us this season, and only better down the line.

frogstomp
06-12-2007, 03:40 PM
6-10 overall. jay cutler wins the MVP award.


If the Broncos aren't at least .500 I'll set fire to my apartment.

Jets

New England - Loss - If we do beat them, it will be here due to their offense not quite clicking yet... however, I don't see it.

@Baltimore - Loss - We don't have the offense to match up against their defense. We play right into their style, and unless Penny magically exchanges shoulders and get one that isn't as strong as my 2 year old nephew's, we're done her.

Miami - Win - Yeah, I don't see Miami having such a great year. They could win, however, if Ginn breaks off a couple of punt return TD's...

@Buffalo - Win - A tougher game than Miami... I'm being positive here, however a home and home split isn't very unlikely. I'm just hoping we can contain Evans, and squeak out a win.

@N.Y. Giants - Win - The Giants offense relies pretty much on Eli now. See: any game where the offense has had to rely on Eli. That shall be their season.

Philadelphia - Loss - If McNabb is still playing, we lose. If he is done, we win. I'm assuming he'll still be healthy.

@Cincinnati - Loss - Their offense will rip us apart.

Buffalo - Win - I am more confident in this one because we're at home. We can do it!

Washington - Win - Haha, Washington. Unless Portis tears us apart, which is possible, we should win.

Pittsburgh - Loss- I just feel like Willie is going to have a big day here, although the game will be close. I don't think Pitt has the power to really beat anyone up anymore, and we'll see how the transition do 4-3 goes.

@Dallas - Loss - Don't see us winning in Dallas against a better team.

@Miami - Win - This one will be one on a last minute field goal. A very close, very physical game.

Cleveland - Win - I simply believe we're the better team.

@New England - Loss - They're better than us, and at home.

@Tennessee - Loss - Vince has a big day, and we're unable to capitalize on the mistakes he does make.

Kansas City - Win - I dunno... I'm thinking LJ will be tired be here, and with both teams not in the playoff picture, we'll have more desire to finish at least .500.

8-8

TheChampIsHere
06-12-2007, 03:51 PM
Raiders

Week 1 v Detroit Lions - The two worst teams in the league last year match up week 1 this year but the Raiders get the homefield advantage and we should be able to keep their offense quiet and get our running game going.
W, 1-0

Week 2 @ Denver Broncos - A tough matchup for us, our D might be able to keep us in the game, but our offense will struggle.
L, 1-1

Week 3 v Cleveland Browns - The Browns look like they could be a much improved team, especially on offense, and theres a good chance Brady Quinn could be the starter by now. However, I still think our D could cause some real problems for their offense and our O can do enough to win us this game.
W, 2-1

Week 4 @ Miami Dolphins - Miami will likely have one of the worst offenses in the league, our DL should dominate the line of scrimmage and we have the coverage units to lock down their passing game and force Trent Green out of his comfort zone. Against another weak defense, our O can keep turnovers to a minimum and put up a few points en route to a big road win.
W, 3-1

Week 5, Bye, Sit back and enjoy the 3-1 record becuse the going gets a lot tougher

Week 6 @ San Diego Chargers, As usual LT, Gates, Rivers and the gang are too much for our defense to keep locked down and our OL cant handle their front 7 as our offense struggles. Raiders get brought back down to earth.
L, 3-2

Week 7 v Kansas City Chiefs - Raiders defense has the challenge of stopping LJ, but with the Chiefs OL not what it was the Raiders toughen up and do it decently and slap Asoumugha on Bowe and Huff on Gonzalez, which works effectively. Against a weak DL, the Raiders OL is in control and the offense starts moving. Behind the home crowd, the Raiders get it done.
W, 4-2

Week 8 @ Titans - Raiders gameplan to stop Vince Young and we have the athletes to do it. Titans cant get their running game going and the Raiders control the pace of the game and come thru with a big road win.
W, 5-2

Week 9 v Houston Texans - The Texans come to Oakland to meet our stiffling defense as our pass-rush gives Schaub big problems all day long and we aggressively attack their porous defense to get our most convincing win of the year.
W, 6-2

Week 10 v Chicago Bears - Once again the Raiders are brought down to earth. Our OL gets manhandled by Tommie Harris and the gang as we take a beating.
L, 6-3

Week 11 @ Minnesota Vikings - Adrian Peterson comes up with a big day against a tired Raider defense and the Raiders offensive woes continue and the Raiders are dealt a tough loss.
L, 6-4

Week 12 @ Chiefs - The assualt on the tired Raider defense continues as LJ comes up with a big game and the Chiefs control the pace of the game.
L, 6-5

Week 13 @ Green Bay Packers - The Raiders come to Green Bay facing a Packer team much in need of a win as they attempt a late season run to get in the playoffs and fail to shut down a motivated Favre and a tough GB defense keeps the Raiders O in check.
L, 6-6

Week 14 v Denver Broncos - A Raider team in the midst of a late season collapse faces their biggest rival but they are up to the challenge as the Raider defense come thru with a dominating performance and the Raiders pull out a tough win in front of the home crowd.
W, 7-6

Week 15 v Indianapolis Colts - The superbowl champions come into town and do exactly what is expected of them against the Raiders.
L, 7-7

Week 16 @ Jacksonville - The Jaguars, fighting for a playoff spot, play stingy defense and come up with enough big plays on offense to win the game.
L, 7-8

Week 17 v San Diego Chargers - The Chargers come into town but do not rest their starters and their dominance of the Raiders continues as we fail to find an answer for Merriman, Jamal Williams, LT, Gates and the crew.
L, 7-9

Overall, 7-9, a solid year for the Raiders as Kiffin tries to get the team back on track. The easy schedule outside of the AFC West helps.

steelernation77
06-12-2007, 03:57 PM
Pittsburgh - Loss- I just feel like Willie is going to have a big day here, although the game will be close. I don't think Pitt has the power to really beat anyone up anymore, and we'll see how the transition do 4-3 goes.


I'll tell you exactly how the transition goes, it's not happening.

etk
06-12-2007, 04:00 PM
New York Giants


Record 11-5

Best case scenario would be 16-0. I'm just being realistic. The guys that are bashing us for being optimistic are Falcons and Packer fans. They're bitter because they know their teams stink.

Dear god, how did I miss this. Who needs professional comedians when Giants fans think 11-5 is realistic. Homerism in pure solid gold form, I love it.

frogstomp
06-12-2007, 04:00 PM
I'll tell you exactly how the transition goes, it's not happening.

*shrug*, even without it, you've lost a lot of key players in the past while.

I had us losing, anyways, so it's no skin off my back.

etk
06-12-2007, 04:04 PM
I really don't expect us to lose to Washington or New York, and Dallas is a toss-up but I'd never EXPECT or PREDICT a loss to Dallas. That would be UnEaglelike.

So Eagles fans are unrealistic homers that see the league through filtered glasses. Interesting, and good to know.

niel89
06-12-2007, 04:05 PM
Tiki Barber was a top 5 RB in the NFL the past couple years. I love how Giants fans were so quick to bash any list that didn't have him there, however, now that he's gone, he was "nothing special."

exactly. if he was still on their team they would still say he is top 5.

steelernation77
06-12-2007, 04:06 PM
*shrug*, even without it, you've lost a lot of key players in the past while.

I had us losing, anyways, so it's no skin off my back.

I'm not really seeing the key players. Porter is not near the player he was. I fully expect Woodley and Timmons to more than make up for his absence. Hartings had no knees anymore and could not handle the inside rush.

etk
06-12-2007, 04:08 PM
I'm not really seeing the key players. Porter is not near the player he was. I fully expect Woodley and Timmons to more than make up for his absence. Hartings had no knees anymore and could not handle the inside rush.

Sean Mahan is absolute garbage. Any starting C would be an upgrade over him, knees or no knees. Timmons only has one year of starting college experience and it is unlikely for him to make a significant contribution outside of special teams as a rookie.

Flyboy
06-12-2007, 04:14 PM
As I should have. Everyone is acting like a homer. I needed to slap some sense into everyone. Just about every team is going 10-6 according to this thread, which is absurd.

HA! 11-5 for my team, SIR!

steelernation77
06-12-2007, 04:25 PM
Sean Mahan is absolute garbage. Any starting C would be an upgrade over him, knees or no knees. Timmons only has one year of starting college experience and it is unlikely for him to make a significant contribution outside of special teams as a rookie.

Well Kendall Simmons,Chukki Okobi and Marvin Philip are all competing with him for the center job. I think that Woodley could make a bigger impact than Timmons this year because word out of OTAs is he is learning the LOLB spot very quickly and it is a position that a rookie can make an instant impact at, because it is mainly rushing the QB and there isn't much pass responsibility. Clark Haggans is slow and not an impact player and I think Woodley could take over his spot by midseason. Timmons might take longer because he is being asked to do more but in the meantime James Harrison has shown that he is perfectly capable of starting.

BaLLiN
06-12-2007, 04:32 PM
ok I'm going to clear things up for all the homerism coming from Giants fans.
Tiki Barber was 60% of our offense, yes, he was definately the best player on our team, he is very hard to replace.

I think that it will hit us badly but not enough for us to go down as far as 5-11, but a more likely prediction is 6-10 to 9-7, we definately have a much easier schedule compared to last year, and last year injuries took out Petitgout, Strahan, Umenyuria, Madison, Webster, Toomer, Sinorice Moss, Shockey for a bit, tiki messed up his hand, Lavar Arrington, and Gibril was playing with a casted foot, now all of those players (except Moss). These players were our leaders and pretty much all of our best players at each position.

Im not saying that we won't be struck by injuries, just that it is not as likely to occur as badly as this. Also Eli is good on and off, but he showed flashes, and maybe with a better group of wideouts he can do better. Jacobs was a monster, he ripped of huge gains, but not as much as tiki, I don't think he'll be a top 5 rusher in the NFL next season, probably top 10.

Overall Prediction: 8-8

L -at Dallas
W -GREEN BAY
W -at Washington
W -PHILADELPHIA
L-NEW YORK JETS
W-at Atlanta
L-SAN FRANCISCO
W-at Miami (London)
L-DALLAS
L-at Detroit
W-MINNESOTA
L-at Chicago
L-at Philadelphia
W-WASHINGTON
W-at Buffalo
L-NEW ENGLAND

scottyboy
06-12-2007, 04:34 PM
Tiki Barber was a top 5 RB in the NFL the past couple years. I love how Giants fans were so quick to bash any list that didn't have him there, however, now that he's gone, he was "nothing special."

Tiki Barber will be missed, no doubt. He's departure will definately hurt the giants. BUT i love all the "top 5-10 pick" talk. The Giants have nothing flashy on O, but with a new OC, wont ask Eli to do it all. He'll have a SOLID power run game in Jacobs and Droughns. I'd love to come out and say Jacobs will rush for 1500+ yards and 10+ TD's, but honestly i have no idea what he'll do as the starter. Hopefully our new OC will learn to use Shockey, a top 3 receving TE, and use a power style game. Plus the Giants D, adding by subtracting(Lewis, Emmons) will do well.

JK17
06-12-2007, 05:11 PM
Okay I'll do one for the Chargers...and try to be realistic...

Chicago Bears- W, The Bolts get to play at home and open up with the taste of defeat from the playoffs stlil strong in their mouths.

@ New England- L, Every part of me wants to say we win this game, but I can't say we do, especially in New England, it would have to much bias in it. I would certainly not be shcoked if we did pull it out though.

@ Green Bay - W, Simply put we are a better team. They can't account for all the weapons, or protect Favre and company from the defense.

Kansas City Chiefs- W, Kansas City sometimes gives us problems, but playing at home, and with the QB uncertainty, plus a relatively weak defense, I still have to give the edge to San Diego.

@ Denver- L, I think the Chargers are a better team then Denver, but they are going to be caught sleeping after coming off a big win against a divisional rival. On the road, the Chargers drop a game they should have won.

Oakland Raiders- W, We are a better team, even better coached then they are, with Norv Turner. We don't lose this game at home.

BYE

Houston Texans - W, Coming fresh off a bye weak, the Chargers don't blow a game at home to the Texans and Matt Schaub.

@ Minnesota- W, The Vikings again, are not as good of a team, and San Diego shouldn't have difficult time pulling off this win. They may drop this game though, depending on how they are playing lately, and how they prepare on the road.

Indianapolis Colts -W, They keep the winning streak going, although it is a nail-biter. I only give them the edge hear because they are playing at home, otherwise I would probably lean the other way. At around this point in the season last year, the Colts dropped a few games they should have won.

@ Jacksonville-L, Clearly a better team then Jacksonville, but making the cross-country flight won't fare well for them. They did it two years ago when they could've got playoffs, but lost to a weak Miami team and blew it.

Baltimore Ravens - W, The Bolts will rebound from their last loss, and bring it to the Ravens at home, as they look to start wrapping up the division. This game could be lost easily though, both teams are top five in the NFL, very similar to the Colts game, I give it to the home team.

@ Kansas City - W, Still just a better team then the Chiefs, who may have recently made a QB change at this point in the season, the Bolts finally break win a game @ Arrowhead, though this could be another trap game.

@ Tennessee -W, San Diego Wins, they are a better team, and won't fall on the road to Tenn., with the divisional race closing down.

Detroit Lions -W, The Lions may give them trouble, but its to early to annoit CJ, and until proven otherwise, Jammer can handle Roy Williams well enough for the Chargers to take the rest of the offense out of the game. The defense doesn't have much.

Denver Broncos-W, Chargers beat the Broncs at home, and wrap up the division. Cutler gives them a scare at the end, but the defense plays inspired and takes it home.

@ Oakland -W, The Chargers get home-field advantage now (as a #2 Seed), and play all their starters. It's no contest.

That puts their record at 13-3. I know everyone is being accused of homerism in this thread, but personally I don't think that is ridiculous. 13-3 is probably optimistic, but the Chargers are a top three team, its not absurd they could hit that mark. The only losses I can conceive and haven't mentioned would the Baltimore and Indy games, and maybe a game @ KC., which still leaves a 10-6 game if all goes bad. I still threw two games in their that we "lost" and could easily win, so I don't feel its unfair.

ncstateviking
06-12-2007, 05:11 PM
i really dont think people are being as bad of homers as some people are making them out to be. i think the packers and giants only loss in the offseason, so them getting more than 8 wins would be a reach. but i think now, before the season starts, the jets, steelers, cowboys, eagles, ravens etc...most of the teams that have been posted...could finish with 10 or more wins.

sure some of them will underachieve. some other teams will overachieve. and injuries will change the whole landscape. but the really bad teams arent being done. and i think on paper these teams have the potential to do as well as people are hoping.

JT Jag
06-12-2007, 05:26 PM
Sep. 9 vs. Tennessee Titans - W - The Titans don't scare me. Their defense is a wreck, their offense will have Vince Young and little else, and the Jaguars will be pumped to start the season at home.

Sep. 16 vs. Atlanta Falcons - W - Even not considering Vick's off-the-field issues, the Falcons have only gotten worse over the last couple years. They have a formidable secondary and an intriguing running game, but not much else, and the Jaguars will run them over--- though expect the score to be closer then the game actually was.

Sep. 23 at Denver Broncos - L - Mile High is a hard place to play, and the Jaguars have a spotty record against the Broncos in recent years. They could win, they might not.

Sep. 30 BYE

Oct. 7 at Kansas City Chiefs - W - You can win in Kansas City in October, especially considering that the Chiefs will be platooning quarterbacks and running a tired runningback into the ground.

Oct. 14 vs. Houston Texans - L - Damn Texans.

Oct. 22 vs. Indianapolis Colts - W - Huge Monday Night game at home. Del Rio will have the suit out. Nothing will keep the Jaguars from running over the Colts.

Oct. 28 at Tampa Bay Buccaneers - W - The Bucs don't scare me. I see the fans making this a home game for the Jaguars by invading the stadium.

Nov. 4 at New Orleans Saints - W - I see the Saints stepping back some this year. They have a superb offense and not much else, and the Jaguars match up well against Deuce's up-the-middle running style that sets the offense's tempo. Maurice Drew will run all over the Saints in his personal revenge game against Reggie Bush.

Nov. 11 at Tennessee Titans - W - Again, the Titans don't really scare me.

Nov. 18 vs. San Diego Chargers - W - The Jaguars LIVE for these kinds of games.

Nov. 25 vs. Buffalo Bills - L - I see a letdown here. A big game a home last week leads to a loss on the road to the Bills. Rather familiar.

Dec. 2 at Indianapolis Colts - L - The team tries to get it up for the rival, but it's obvious that they're still beat up from the Chargers game.

Dec. 9 vs. Carolina Panthers - W - The team finally rebounds in a close win at home.

Dec. 16 at Pittsburgh Steelers - W - The Jaguars have had the Steelers' number in recent years. The team is heating up going into January.

Dec. 23 vs. Oakland Raiders - W - They're the Raiders. And it's at home.

Dec. 30 at Houston Texans - W - The Jaguars finish splitting against the Texans but winning when it matters - late in the season. They close on a 4-game win streak.

Final record - 12-4

someone447
06-12-2007, 05:53 PM
Green Bay

I'm not sure which games are home and which are away, and I am too lazy to look it up.
PHI-L-It will be closer than most expect, but the Packers will fall short.

NYG-W- The Packers will be better than expected, and Favre will have a field day against the Giants secondary.

SD-L-...

MIN-L-Metrodome... Jackson being the starting QB may give them a chance.

CHI-L-They will split the season series with the bears, as per the usual.

WAS-W-Win easily, the Packers will be better than they were last year

DEN-W-This one could go either way.

KC-W-KC is getting old, and they don't have a QB

MIN-W-Lambeau...

CAR-L-The Panthers are just better

DET-W-It's the Lions...

DAL-L-It will be a close game, and as much as I hate to say this, the Cowboys are just better this year.

OAK-W-Oakland is a horrible team.

STL-L- The lack of a running game will be the downfall of the Packers

CHI-W-Split the season series, each team takes the home game.

DET-W-It's the Lions...

9-7 Make the wild card.

Modano
06-12-2007, 05:54 PM
Rickybobby, Dallas has old WR who are both better than any player you have on offense. And even if they slow down, they have a favorable matchup against your bad secondary. Not to mention I don't know with who you're gonna cover Witten next year.

Btw, for the Cowboys there are many question marks. We can't say how good or bad they will be until we'll see the team performing under Phllips.
For me, the keys of success will be three:

1 - On offense we've showed last year that we can really move the ball. Dallas is filled with talent in almost every position, and Gurode finally developed into an anchor for the OL. Davis will be an upgrade over Rivera, who was very very bad last year, and caused many problems to the team. So the question mark is Romo. If he'll perform like he has shown last year we'll have a top offense again.. The new OC will be a major factor in Romo's development
2 - Ken Hamlin. Dallas misses a FS since Woodson retire. Sometimes they look lost on the field because they miss a center field. If Hamlin will play well and prevent the big games our defense should be fine
3 - The pass rush. Last year opposite QBs had all day to throw. Phillips has great talent on roster to put pressure on the QB, if he can do that we'll be a good team.

I just hope we can improve the 9-7 record we had the last two seasons. And I hope can finally win the final game of the season! It was so bitter to lost to St Louis and Detroit the past two season.

Paranoidmoonduck
06-12-2007, 06:11 PM
vs. Detroit: Win
No one is quite sure how much either of these two offenses as improved, but the Oakland defense is definitely suited to shutting down a fairly good passing game in Detroit.
at Denver: Loss
A win in Invesco is never easy, especially for a team this young this early in a season.
vs. Cleveland: Win
Even if Cleveland is improved, both their running attack and passing game are far from sure bets to put up consistent points. Oakland's defense handles them and the offense manages enough.
at Miami: Loss
Miami's defense might be old, but it's still intimidating. When you add a fairly promising offense and that fact that the Fins are home, I don't think Oakland has a great shot.
at San Diego: Loss
I like to dream sometimes, but I'm reasonable.
vs. Kansas City: Loss
Week 7 is still early in the season, and I don't expect Johnson to be feeling the weight of those carries quite yet. What their quarterback position is going to look like is anyone's guess, but I'll give them the win here.
at Tennessee: Win
Tennessee doesn't look scary at all, and Oakland's defense should have no trouble stopping this offense.
vs. Houston: Win
Houston stumbled into Oakland and limps out of it.
vs. Chicago Bears: Loss
Even if Grossman is playing like crap, Oakland faces a steep climb in this game.
at Minnesota: Loss
Whether Bollinger or Jackson are under center, that running game looks real scary. That defense is quality and will force Oakland to pass, and who knows what that will yield.
at Kansas City: Win
Even though winning at Arrowhead is tough, the Chiefs are a rebuilding team. Around week 12, Johnson should be sucking wind and if this team isn't doing well then the youth movement on the depth chart should be rearing it's head.
vs. Denver: Loss
I expect Cutler to improve over the season, so I'll give this to the Donkeys.
at Green Bay: Loss
I know the Packers ain't great, but it's December at Lambeu Field.
vs. Indianapolis: Loss
Yeah, this probably won't be pretty. Maybe they'll sit Manning or something.
at Jacksonville: Loss
I have no idea which way the Jags are going to fall this year, so, for all I know, the Raiders could be favorites heading into this. That said, since this is such a mystery, I'll give it to the home team.
vs San Diego: Loss
Unless they sit all their major players.

Final record 5-11 and I see potential for another 2-3 wins at this point.

Shiver
06-12-2007, 06:36 PM
Finally someone who doesn't expect there team to make a step in the right direction.

Shiver
06-12-2007, 06:39 PM
Atlanta Falcons:

@ Minnesota Vikings - W -

@ Jacksonville Jaguars - L -

vs. Carolina Panthers - W -

vs. Houston Texans - W -

@ Tennessee Titans - W -

vs. N.Y. Giants - W -

@ New Orleans Saints - L -

vs. San Fransisico 49ers - L -

@ Carolina Panthers - L -

vs Tampa Bay Buccaneers - W -

vs Indianapolis Colts - L -

@ St. Louis Rams - L -

@ Tampa Bay Buccaneers - L -

@ Arizona Cardinals - L -

vs. Seattle Seahawks - W -

7-9

ricky bobby
06-12-2007, 06:43 PM
Atlanta Falcons:
vs. N.Y. Giants - W -

Now is this with Vick as your starting QB, or Harrington? Last season we absolutely harrassed Vick and recorded 4 sacks I believe.

Flyboy
06-12-2007, 06:45 PM
I'm pretty sure you left off the second NO/ATL game, Shiver.

draftguru151
06-12-2007, 07:15 PM
@Washington- Loss, I think Washington is underrated, a lot of changes and I doubt it will be pretty early.

Dallas- Win, Depending on how Trent Green is playing, I think we will have a chance at home against Dallas. I'm not afraid of Dallas' offense and depending on a few bounces we will have a chance.

@NY Jets- Loss, I hate playing in NY, I don't think the Jets will be very good but it will be hard to beat them at home.

Oakland- Win, Whoever is the QB won't have a very good day, the defense scares me a bit though.

@Houston- Win, between the next 2 games we'll probably get one and lose the other, AJ and Green scare me, but I think Schaub will struggle.

@Cleveland- Loss, Cleveland's 3-4 still has some problems, but it is really improving. The QB situation is iffy but I think the OL will be pretty good.

New England- Loss, not much explantion needed, it's NE. Will be close though.

NY Giants- Loss, close one but I think Eli will be a lot better than people expect, their receivers scare me against our DBs, Osi and Strahan should have a good day too.

Buffalo- Win, I think Buffalo will have a very good season, potential 10-6 season, but I think we get one at home from them.

@Phildelphia- Loss, don't expect a pretty one.

@Pittsburgh- Loss, same as Philly, don't see much of a chance.

NY Jets- Win, I don't see the run defense being much better, Ronnie Brown will have a big day.

@Buffalo- Loss, Buffalo in December, oh goodness.

Baltimore- Loss, A game that could go either way, doubt it goes ours.

@NE- Win, Brady always struggles against us, and NE will either be undefeated and we have to win, or they lost one game and are resting the starters already.

Cincinnati- Loss, Cincy will be in playoff mode, Carson will tear the DBs up.

6-10. I think getting Trent Green gets us two more wins, we could be in a lot of games, and could surprise a few people, but Cameron would have to do a hell of a job. The team could take a huge leap forward, but the same thing was supposed to happen last year, so I'll wait until I see it.

TitleTown088
06-12-2007, 07:26 PM
I'm not going to do a whole one right now, but I will make a Guarantee that the Packers beat the Eagles. The Eagles are my pick to be a team that regresses big time this season.

Vikes99ej
06-12-2007, 07:30 PM
I can't believe all the God-awful homerism in this thread. It really makes me want to vomit.

JK17
06-12-2007, 07:31 PM
I can't believe all the God-awful homerism in this thread. It really makes me want to vomit.

idk what to say for mine. Giving the Chargers a 13-3 record, yes its homerism, but I wouldn't say its out of the question either. I feel I broke it down relatively fairly, with 1-2 games that could have gone the other way, both losses and wins...

Vikes99ej
06-12-2007, 07:36 PM
idk what to say for mine. Giving the Chargers a 13-3 record, yes its homerism, but I wouldn't say its out of the question either. I feel I broke it down relatively fairly, with 1-2 games that could have gone the other way, both losses and wins...

Not you. I'm talking about some certain NFC North team followers.

JK17
06-12-2007, 07:39 PM
Not you. I'm talking about some certain NFC North team followers.

Oh alright lol...nevermind then :-X...i'm bored and looking to argue something football anyway haha.

Vikes99ej
06-12-2007, 07:41 PM
Oh alright lol...nevermind then :-X...i'm bored and looking to argue something football anyway haha.

Oh no. You guys will kill us. God only knows how Tarvaris will react to a 3-4 like the Chargers.

etk
06-12-2007, 07:41 PM
idk what to say for mine. Giving the Chargers a 13-3 record, yes its homerism, but I wouldn't say its out of the question either. I feel I broke it down relatively fairly, with 1-2 games that could have gone the other way, both losses and wins...

13-3 is a fair prediction, don't worry about it.

Vikes99ej
06-12-2007, 07:43 PM
I'm sorry, I'm still a strong believer that the NFC North is one of the worst divisions in the NFL.

someone447
06-12-2007, 07:47 PM
Not you. I'm talking about some certain NFC North team followers.

Who? The Packers? We lost Ahman Green, a player on the downside of his career. Our defense will only get better considering they are very, very young. Our interior offensive line will only get better, it being the second year they are starting. Our running back situation is bad, but a running back by committee should be enough.

Mark my words, the Packers will win at least 8 games. Denver is the only one that I put as a win that I think has a real shot of losing to, but that was my upset for the year.

8-8 to 10-6 is a legitimate prediction for the Packers, and if you don't believe that, you, sir, are the homer.

draftguru151
06-12-2007, 08:33 PM
i called 6-10 for denver, and while the explanations may have been goofy, the W/L was not.

Stop being a negative homer, Denver is going 16-0, you guys have Cutler.

umphrey
06-12-2007, 08:41 PM
I don't feel like going through every game but the Packers will finish between 8-8 and 10-6.

Last year they finished 8-8 but with a game or two that might have been cheap wins.

We started a lot of young players last year, rookies and first year starters (including HC), and this year we have all the same starters returning except for DT where Harrell will start if he is an upgrade and RB where Morency/Jackson both have potential. I really like the way our roster is gonna look next year after having an entire year to gel and the only position where I wish we found an upgrade was TE, the rest of the players are either young with long futures or veterans with at least a year before we need to look for a replacement.

Ewing
06-12-2007, 08:50 PM
Finally someone who doesn't expect there team to make a step in the right direction.

Did you not see my prediction of the Titans going 7-9?

Shiver
06-12-2007, 08:59 PM
Basically I respect everyone that has their own team doing worse than 10-6. Sadly that is only a handful of you guys.

Ewing
06-12-2007, 09:03 PM
Basically I respect everyone that has their own team doing worse than 10-6. Sadly that is only a handful of you guys.

The chances of the Titans going 10-6 are very slim. Henry and Williams would have to make incredible impacts as rookies and Vince would have to take his game to another level. Neither of those are happening this year although I do see Vince improving. I expect to be picking somewhere between 13-16 in next year's draft and hopefully we land Limas Sweed or a big receiver like that.

M.O.T.H.
06-12-2007, 09:04 PM
Not everything can be viewed as homerism...obviously, some teams have to go 10-6/11-5.

Ewing
06-12-2007, 09:06 PM
Not everything can be viewed as homerism...obviously, some teams have to go 10-6/11-5.

Yeah but saying the Falcons are going to go 12-4 is blinded homerism. There isn't a chance in hell that's happening with the distractions of Vick.

M.O.T.H.
06-12-2007, 09:08 PM
Yeah but saying the Falcons are going to go 12-4 is blinded homerism. There isn't a chance in hell that's happening with the distractions of Vick.

I understand there have been a few homers in here...(Giants/Falcons...haha) but, not all of these are farfetched...

Ewing
06-12-2007, 09:10 PM
I understand there have been a few homers in here...(Giants/Falcons...haha) but, not all of these are farfetched...

I agree not all of them are but saying crap like the Steelers are going to go 12-4 and the Eagles are going to 14-2 is just crazy. Are those teams good? Yes. Are they that good? No.

Draft King
06-12-2007, 09:10 PM
Atlanta Falcons:

@ Minnesota Vikings - W -

@ Jacksonville Jaguars - W -

vs. Carolina Panthers - L -

vs. Houston Texans - L -

@ Tennessee Titans - W -

vs. N.Y. Giants - W -

@ New Orleans Saints - L -

vs. San Fransisico 49ers - W -

@ Carolina Panthers - W -

vs Tampa Bay Buccaneers - W -

vs Indianapolis Colts - L -

@ St. Louis Rams - L -

@ Tampa Bay Buccaneers - L -

@ Arizona Cardinals - W -

vs. Seattle Seahawks - W -

I see us going around 9-7 while barely making the playoffs. Obviously alot of this depends on the whole Vick situation, and I think we can come out on top.

Vikes99ej
06-12-2007, 09:17 PM
Mark my words, the Packers will win at least 8 games. Denver is the only one that I put as a win that I think has a real shot of losing to, but that was my upset for the year.

Sorry, I don't need another sig quote.

ricky bobby
06-12-2007, 09:33 PM
I can't believe people are bashing guys for being optimistic about their team. This is a prediction thread. Any prediction goes. Who are you to say how a team will do? My point is, your predicition is as good as the next guys and nobody has a right to call anyone a homer because of their prediction. Just because you don't agree with somebodies prediction, doesn't mean they're wrong, nor are they a homer. The only thing predictable about the future is that it's unpredictable. Don't take this thread too seriously. Not pointing fingers, but some people on here need to get a life.

skinzzfan25
06-12-2007, 09:38 PM
Washington Redskins:

Sun 9/9 Miami
~W - Start the season out on a good note. Campbell looks impressive out of training camp. Of all people, Lloyd catches a TD pass. Miami's offense is disoriented at the moment, but the defense remains stout. Skins by 10

Mon 9/17 at Philadelphia
~L - This is a crucial game. By winning, it could set us up for a very mean winning streak. Philly has had our number in the past and I don't see us beating them at home Monday night. Westbrook plays well, 150 on the ground. Eagles by 13.

Sun 9/23 NY Giants
~W - The defense remains healthy and GW sends exotic blitz packages at Eli. This is one of our best defensive outings of the year, forcing 4 turnovers. Campbell continues solid play. Skins by 17.

bye note: landry steps in full time starter across from ST

Sun 10/7 Detroit
~W - Landry's debut game, razzles Kitna but beat up top by CJ. Portis and Betts shine going over 275 and 3 TDs collectively.

Sun 10/14 at Green Bay
~L - Tough game at Lambeau. Favre throws for 2 TD 2 INT, one by Landry. Pack's defense remains stout and squeezes away with a victory. Pack by 6.

Sun 10/21 Arizona
~W - Campbell brings his A game. One of the best offensive games of the year. Leinart and Campbell throw for 600+ yards total. In the end, Portis cannot be stopped and the clock dies out. Redskins by 10.

Sun 10/28 at New England
~L - Just as the skins heat up, they go to cold NE. Light flurries sprinkle the field. 3 turnovers by each team, Moss yells at Brady and creates some controversy. NE comes out on top by 13.

Sun 11/4 at NY Jets
~L - A costly fumble at the end of the game sets the Jets up for a fieldgoal. Jets miss it and it goes to OT. Jets score first, Jets by 6.

Sun 11/11 Philadelphia
~W - Campbell heats back up when the need him the most. With 3 TDs and 1 INT, they beat the Eagles by 10.

Sun 11/18 at Dallas
~L - Dallas comes out hungry, very hyped up game but very low scoring. Skins defense does nice blanketing TO and forcing Romo to make bad decisions. Cowboys defense holds up at the end forcing a 3 and out thus sealing the win. Cowboys by 8.

Sun 11/25 at Tampa Bay
~W - These guys are freakin division rivals almost. This year we go to their turf (again) and secure the win by a field goal punched in by Suisham. Portis has a field day going over 175. Skins by 9.

Sun 12/2 Buffalo
~W- GW + Fletcher are very familiar with their scheme. Lynch runs well passing the 125 mark. Rocky McIntosh forces two fumbles, one recovered. Portis does his thing, skins by 14

Thu 12/6 Chicago
~L - Devastating lose for Washington, just as they pickup steam heading into the final stretch they blow it with Chicago. Landry gets his 3rd INT of the season and forces the Bears to stall and settle for field goals. In a low scoring affair the Bears win by 9.

Sun 12/16 at NY Giants
~W - The Redskins sweep the Giants, and Droughens has became the full time back. With no running game, Eli looks like a chicken with his head cut off. 2 TDs 1 INT 1 Fumble.

Sun 12/23 at Minnesota
~L - Minny has taken the league by surprise. Peterson and Taylor behind that line become a force to be reckoned with. Peterson eclipses 100 for the 4th straight game and leads the Vikings to victory. Campbell plays poor as well. Minny by 14. Dallas also clinches the division with this lose to the Vikings.

Sun 12/30 Dallas
~W - 9-7 would be good enough to make a wildcard, and the Redskins know it. They come out playing inspired ball, Campbell goes for 250 yards 2 TDs by Santana. Clinching a wildcard, the Redskins hold on to beat Dallas by 13.

Finish 9-7, Campbell seems to be the franchise QB, Portis rebounds well off the injury. Rogers goes down for a few games, but Smoot+Macklin step up and propel the Skins to the playoffs.

The Redskins loose the wildcard game by 7 in a thriller against New Orleans.

ricky bobby
06-12-2007, 09:40 PM
HOMER!! You're going 0-16.

Vikes99ej
06-12-2007, 09:42 PM
I can't believe people are bashing guys for being optimistic about their team. This is a prediction thread. Any prediction goes. Who are you to say how a team will do? My point is, your predicition is as good as the next guys and nobody has a right to call anyone a homer because of their prediction. Just because you don't agree with somebodies prediction, doesn't mean they're wrong, nor are they a homer. The only thing predictable about the future is that it's unpredictable. Don't take this thread too seriously. Not pointing fingers, but some people on here need to get a life.

Because you said that, me and every other poster on here is going to quit complaining about the blatant homerism. How you have the Giants even sniffing .500 just blows my mind.

skinzzfan25
06-12-2007, 09:42 PM
HOMER!! You're going 0-16.

I would hardly call 9-7 a homer. I'll admit, that's probably the max this years team can reach. But I can see them falling anywhere from 6-10 to 9-7 and making the playoffs.

Even though I know your just trying to convey a point to everybody else :P

frogstomp
06-12-2007, 09:48 PM
I'm not really seeing the key players. Porter is not near the player he was. I fully expect Woodley and Timmons to more than make up for his absence. Hartings had no knees anymore and could not handle the inside rush.

Reviewing your offseason, I suppose you don't have many key losses, but you didn't do much to improve from last year, either. We'll see when the season gets underway, I suppose.

scottyboy
06-12-2007, 10:01 PM
Washington Redskins:

Sun 9/9 Miami
~W - Start the season out on a good note. Campbell looks impressive out of training camp. Of all people, Lloyd catches a TD pass. Miami's offense is disoriented at the moment, but the defense remains stout. Skins by 10

Mon 9/17 at Philadelphia
~L - This is a crucial game. By winning, it could set us up for a very mean winning streak. Philly has had our number in the past and I don't see us beating them at home Monday night. Westbrook plays well, 150 on the ground. Eagles by 13.

Sun 9/23 NY Giants
~W - The defense remains healthy and GW sends exotic blitz packages at Eli. This is one of our best defensive outings of the year, forcing 4 turnovers. Campbell continues solid play. Skins by 17.

bye note: landry steps in full time starter across from ST

Sun 10/7 Detroit
~W - Landry's debut game, razzles Kitna but beat up top by CJ. Portis and Betts shine going over 275 and 3 TDs collectively.

Sun 10/14 at Green Bay
~L - Tough game at Lambeau. Favre throws for 2 TD 2 INT, one by Landry. Pack's defense remains stout and squeezes away with a victory. Pack by 6.

Sun 10/21 Arizona
~W - Campbell brings his A game. One of the best offensive games of the year. Leinart and Campbell throw for 600+ yards total. In the end, Portis cannot be stopped and the clock dies out. Redskins by 10.

Sun 10/28 at New England
~L - Just as the skins heat up, they go to cold NE. Light fluries sprinkle the field. 3 turnovers by each team, Moss yells at Brady and creates some controversy. NE comes out on top by 13.

Sun 11/4 at NY Jets
~L - A costly fumble at the end of the game sets the Jets up for a fieldgoal. Jets miss it and it goes to OT. Jets score first, Jets by 6.

Sun 11/11 Philadelphia
~W - Campbell heats back up when the need him the most. With 3 TDs and 1 INT, they beat the Eagles by 10.

Sun 11/18 at Dallas
~L - Dallas comes out hungry, very hyped up game but very low scoring. Skins defense does nice blanketing TO and forcing Romo to make bad decisions. Cowboys defense holds up at the end forcing a 3 and out thus sealing the win. Cowboys by 8.

Sun 11/25 at Tampa Bay
~W - These guys are freakin division rivals almost. This year we go to their turf (again) and secure the win by a field goal punched in by Suisham. Portis has a field day going over 175. Skins by 9.

Sun 12/2 Buffalo
~W- GW + Fletcher are very familiar with their scheme. Lynch runs well passing the 125 mark. Rocky McIntosh forces two fumbles, one recovered. Portis does his thing, skins by 14

Thu 12/6 Chicago
~L - Devastating lose for Washington, just as they pickup steam heading into the final strech they blow it with Chicago. Landry gets his 3rd INT of the season and forces the Bears to stall and settle for field goals. In a low scoring affair the Bears win by 9.

Sun 12/16 at NY Giants
~W - The Redskins sweep the Giants, and Droughens has became the full time back. With no running game, Eli looks like a chicken with his head cut off. 2 TDs 1 INT 1 Fumble.

Sun 12/23 at Minnesota
~L - Minny has taken the league by surprise. Peterson and Taylor behind that line become a force to be reckoned with. Peterson eclipses 100 for the 4th straight game and leads the Vikings to victory. Campbell plays poor as well. Minny by 14. Dallas also clinches the division with this lose to the Vikings.

Sun 12/30 Dallas
~W - 9-7 would be good enough to make a wildcard, and the Redskins know it. They come out playing inspired ball, Campbell goes for 250 yards 2 TDs by Santana. Clinching a wildcard, the Redskins hold on to beat Dallas by 13.

Finish 9-7, Campbell seems to be the franchise QB, Portis rebounds well off the injury. Rogers goes down for a few games, but Smoot+Macklin step up and propel the Skins to the playoffs.

The Redskins loose the wildcard game by 7 in a thriller against New Orleans.

this is blatent homerism and lack of the English knowledge and knowing how to spell

EDIT: not that i can call anyone a homer with me and my mega Rutgers homerism, but i explained my view on my team before.

Geo
06-12-2007, 10:08 PM
I'm not into game-by-game predictions, but I'll say this:

I felt the Colts could go 12-4 last year, which they did, and I feel the same this year.

ricky bobby
06-12-2007, 10:10 PM
Because you said that, me and every other poster on here is going to quit complaining about the blatant homerism. How you have the Giants even sniffing .500 just blows my mind.
Well you have a pretty small mind then. Good luck as a Vikings fan, 2, 3 wins at most.

btw, I'm going to put that in my sig, so I don't forget to rub it in your face.

Ewing
06-12-2007, 10:21 PM
Well you have a pretty small mind then. Good luck as a Vikings fan, 2, 3 wins at most.

btw, I'm going to put that in my sig, so I don't forget to rub it in your face.

If the Giants pick in the top ten then you should leave the forum since you are talking about how great they are going to be and how everyone else is wrong.

ricky bobby
06-12-2007, 10:25 PM
If the Giants pick in the top ten then you should leave the forum since you are talking about how great they are going to be and how everyone else is wrong.
And fullfill the dreams of Moses, njx9, frogstomp, duckseason, etc? You wish.

Ewing
06-12-2007, 10:26 PM
And fullfill the dreams of Moses, njx9, frogstomp, duckseason, etc? You wish.

If that many people want you gone then why the hell are you here?

frogstomp
06-12-2007, 10:26 PM
And fullfill the dreams of Moses, njx9, frogstomp, duckseason, etc? You wish.

Honestly, I've accepted you for the joke you are and couldn't really care less what you do. *shrug*

ricky bobby
06-12-2007, 10:28 PM
Honestly, I've accepted you for the joke you are and couldn't really care less what you do. *shrug*
I love you too.

ricky bobby
06-12-2007, 10:29 PM
If that many people want you gone then why the hell are you here?
Why would I care what they want? Why are you talking to me?

frogstomp
06-12-2007, 10:31 PM
I love you to.


Should I even bother correcting your grammar?

Ewing
06-12-2007, 10:33 PM
Why would I care what they want? Why are you talking to me?

Well apparently you care enough to know what they want in the first place. The reason I'm talking to you is keep hyping the Giants like they're the best team in the NFC. You said you're going to rub it in someone's face if they finish better than .500. Shouldn't you have to do something if they finish with a bad record?

ricky bobby
06-12-2007, 10:33 PM
Should I even bother correcting your grammar?
Thanks buddy.

frogstomp
06-12-2007, 10:37 PM
Thanks buddy.



"Thanks, buddy."

Just helping out.

ricky bobby
06-12-2007, 10:38 PM
It's still wrong, as is this one.

"Thanks, buddy."

"I love you, too."

Just helping out.
Should I be paying you for these English lessons?

Don Vito
06-12-2007, 10:40 PM
Its hard to do this for the Pats, they usually play their best against the toughest teams then will slip up against a struggling team.

frogstomp
06-12-2007, 10:41 PM
*shrug*, whatever you feel is appropriate.

Vikes99ej
06-12-2007, 10:43 PM
Well you have a pretty small mind then. Good luck as a Vikings fan, 2, 3 wins at most.

btw, I'm going to put that in my sig, so I don't forget to rub it in your face.

Did I say anything about the Vikings? You can't be older than 15 or 16, and if you are, that is disturbing. It doesn't matter what you put in your sig; even the Giants do somehow make it over .500, it won't change the fact that you have no one's respect.

frogstomp
06-12-2007, 10:46 PM
Did I say anything about the Vikings? You can't be older than 15 or 16, and if you are, that is disturbing. It doesn't matter what you put in your sig; even the Giants do somehow make it over .500, it won't change the fact that you have no one's respect.


Now, now, I'm sure he has a few illegitimate children, one of which probably respects him because of his homemade moonshine.

Moses
06-12-2007, 10:48 PM
Now, now, I'm sure he has a few illegitimate children, one of which probably respects him because of his homemade moonshine.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/dd/Cletus.gif

Vikes99ej
06-12-2007, 10:48 PM
Now, now, I'm sure he has a few illegitimate children, one of which probably respects him because of his homemade moonshine.

You're also assuming that that illegitimate child is a frequent visitor on the NFLDC Forums. I guess I left that part out.

M.O.T.H.
06-12-2007, 10:49 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/dd/Cletus.gif

haha. :) gotta love Cleatus. The Slack-Jawed Yokel.

ricky bobby
06-12-2007, 10:50 PM
Did I say anything about the Vikings? You can't be older than 15 or 16, and if you are, that is disturbing. It doesn't matter what you put in your sig; even the Giants do somehow make it over .500, it won't change the fact that you have no one's respect.
I didn't say that you said anything about the vikings. You took a shot at the Giants, I took a shot at the Vikings.

Ask yourself this; Is it better to be a 15 or 16 year old and on a football forum, or a 30 year old on a football forum? I'm 18 btw.

Nobody respects me? Oh No! Because my lifelong goal is to gain the respect of NFLDC forum posters.

Severe Punishment
06-12-2007, 10:51 PM
The Vikings

Week 1 VS. Atlanta Falcons - Loss [0-1]
Week 2 AT Detroit Lions - Win [1-1]
Week 3 AT K.C. Chiefs - Loss [1-2]
week 4 VS. Green Bay Packers - Loss [1-3]
week 5 BYE
week 6 AT Chicago Bears - Loss [1-4]
week 7 AT Dallas Cowboys - Loss [1-5]
week 8 VS Philadelphia Eagles - Loss [1-6]
week 9 VS San Diego Chargers - Loss [1-7]
week 10 AT Green Bay Packers - Win [2-7]
week 11 VS Oakland Raiders - Loss [2-8]
week 12 AT NY Giants - Loss [2-9]
week 13 VS Detroit Lions - Win [3-9]
week 14 AT SF 49ers - Loss [3-10]
week 15 VS Chicago Bears - Loss [3-11]
week 16 VS Washington Redskins - Loss [3-12]
Week 17 AT Denver Broncos - Loss [3-13]
Finish with the # pick and Brad Childress is shown the door in week 16.

Shiver
06-12-2007, 10:51 PM
Did I say anything about the Vikings? You can't be older than 15 or 16, and if you are, that is disturbing. It doesn't matter what you put in your sig; even the Giants do somehow make it over .500, it won't change the fact that you have no one's respect.

I think he is probably about 14, actually.

Vikes99ej
06-12-2007, 10:52 PM
I didn't say that you said anything about the vikings. You took a shot at the Giants, I took a shot at the Vikings.

Ask yourself this; Is it better to be a 15 or 16 year old and on a football forum, or a 30 year old on a football forum? I'm 18 btw.

Nobody respects me? Oh No! Because my lifelong goal is to gain the respect of NFLDC forum posters.

You're funny. :)

ricky bobby
06-12-2007, 10:53 PM
I think he is probably about 14, actually.
Ouch! It especially hurts when a moderator takes a shot. I'm going to cry myself to sleep tonight.

frogstomp
06-12-2007, 10:54 PM
I didn't say that you said anything about the vikings. You took a shot at the Giants, I took a shot at the Vikings.

Ask yourself this; Is it better to be a 15 or 16 year old and on a football forum, or a 30 year old on a football forum? I'm 18 btw.

Nobody respects me? Oh No! Because my lifelong goal is to gain the respect of NFLDC forum posters.

Well, if you can't gain respect on an internet forum, it's hard to imagine you getting much respect in real life.

Shiver
06-12-2007, 10:55 PM
I posted that before you said you were 18, which I'm not sure I believe that anyway, but whatever.

Vikes99ej
06-12-2007, 10:56 PM
Ouch! It especially hurts when a moderator takes a shot. I'm going to cry myself to sleep tonight.

Your location and reactions give me the impression that Yugi-oh! still facinates you.

ricky bobby
06-12-2007, 10:58 PM
Your location and reactions give me the impression that Yugi-oh! still facinates you.
And Pokemon, Ninja Turtles, Power Rangers, etc.

Shiver
06-12-2007, 11:02 PM
I didn't say that you said anything about the vikings. You took a shot at the Giants, I took a shot at the Vikings.

Ask yourself this; Is it better to be a 15 or 16 year old and on a football forum, or a 30 year old on a football forum? I'm 18 btw.

Nobody respects me? Oh No! Because my lifelong goal is to gain the respect of NFLDC forum posters.

Picture, or your lying.

umphrey
06-12-2007, 11:02 PM
wow this thread is worthless might as well close it

i skimmed over all the posts on this page and found 1, maybe 2 that were actually worth reading

frogstomp
06-12-2007, 11:02 PM
I posted that before you said you were 18, which I'm not sure I believe that anyway, but whatever.

I can see him as 18... just assume that he was homeschooled by his sister-mom, and taught all he knows by his brother, who is currently in prison for breaking into the local school where he stole a bucket and two mops (which he tried to beat the police with when they arrived).

draftguru151
06-12-2007, 11:03 PM
Never associate the Ninja Turtles with yugi oh again.

Vikes99ej
06-12-2007, 11:04 PM
He probably hates his parents.

kalbears13
06-12-2007, 11:08 PM
According to what everyone has said...

Pittsburgh- L, The Browns are cursed and Frye sucks.
Cincinnati- L, Can't stop high powered offense.
@Oakland- L, Much better team, great draft and needs to beat SOMEONE.
Baltimore- L, Their defense stops the Browns.
@New England- L, Tom Brady to Randy Moss. Can't beat that.
Miami- L, Simply a better team.
@St. Louis- L, Defense can't stop 'em.
Seattle- L, Simply a better team.
@Pittsburgh- L, Pittsburgh can't possibly lose to the Browns at home.
@Baltimore- L, Baltimore can't lose to the Browns at home. Impossible.
Houston- L, Brady Quinn is playing QB and young QB's can't win games their rookie year.
@Arizona- L, Team is getting a lot better and Browns can't stop them.
@New York(NFC)- L, Revenge for last year's close loss.
Buffalo- L, Buffalo needs to beat somebody.
@Cincinnati- L, The Bengals can't possibly lose to the Browns at home.
San Francisco- L, San Francisco is gonna be so much better this year with free agency, the draft and Alex Smith being one year older.

I'm glad they actually play the games or else the Browns would be (0-16) every year.

iloxygenil
06-12-2007, 11:09 PM
Wow looks like we got a lot of responses =) Thanks everyone for getting involved, it's fun to read what everyone thinks!

Moses
06-12-2007, 11:10 PM
I'm glad they actually play the games or else the Browns would be (0-16) every year.

They actually play the games? I was always under the impression we just setup a poll on NFLDC to see who won each game. ;)

draftguru151
06-12-2007, 11:13 PM
Miami- L, Simply a better team.

I'm glad they actually play the games or else the Browns would be (0-16) every year.

I had you guys winning. :p

Ewing
06-12-2007, 11:14 PM
To: Ricky Bobby
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/4966/gtfo9wj.jpg

From: Everyone on NFLDC

Vikes99ej
06-12-2007, 11:15 PM
The shape of that man's head is similar to that of an unbaked potato.

Mr. Stiller
06-13-2007, 12:29 AM
That schedule really isn't as tough as you're trying to make it seem. A tough opener and a game against the NE Godsends, but Pitt and the Jets they have at home and Seattle is alright but defintely beatable. Bills, Cleveland, and Chiefs are just inferior teams, especially in the first half of the season.

But don't forget, CJ didn't start getting hot until the 5th/6th game of the season.. and they're missing Chris Henry.

I wasn't making a case for Cleveland.. but Buffalo/KC had solid offseasons. Every game is winnable, but to make it sound like it's guaranteed... without their big threat WR, a Corner who broke his foot, a rookie at #2, and no real upgrades to their front 7...

Mr. Stiller
06-13-2007, 12:31 AM
Sean Mahan is absolute garbage. Any starting C would be an upgrade over him, knees or no knees. Timmons only has one year of starting college experience and it is unlikely for him to make a significant contribution outside of special teams as a rookie.

True, but we're staying in a 3-4, we still have our core unit, and James Harrison is looking amazing this spring. He's a beast and he could open some eyes.

Timmons will get some coverage/pass rushing time, not a lot.. Woodley will make more.

As for Center, don't count out Willie Colon yet. Willie Colon, Sean Mahan, Marvin Phillip and Chukky Okobi are all battling for it.

Dam8610
06-13-2007, 01:53 AM
Indianapolis Colts:

Sept 6th vs. New Orleans W - This might be a high scoring affair, but the Colts are a good week 1 team, and an even better home team.

Sept 16th @ Tennessee W - Contain Vince Young and win. The Colts will find a way. This could be a trap game though.

Sept 23rd @ Houston W - They play tough at home, but the Colts will pull out yet another close one.

Sept 30th vs. Denver W - Reggie Wayne v. Dominique Foxworth

Oct 7th vs. Tampa Bay W - They might have a chance if Rice and Adams can generate some pressure, but I don't see it happening.

Oct 22nd @ Jacksonville L - The Colts are a good team coming off the bye usually, but this is the type of game for which the Jaguars bring their A game. I don't foresee this being the blowout last year's debacle was, and the Colts could even win it.

Oct 28th @ Carolina L - The Colts have never beaten the Panthers. It could happen this time, especially if the Panthers' usual rash of injuries has already taken effect, but for now, I'll call this a loss.

Nov. 4th vs. New England W - Wait, something's wrong here. The NFL actually scheduled a home game for the Colts against the Patriots? That can't be right. The Colts are 3-0 against the Patriots since Bob Sanders has become a starter, and he's been a difference maker in every game. I see that trend continuing.

Nov 11th @ San Diego L - I don't like the prospects of facing LaDainian Tomlinson at all. The Colts could win, but the defense would have to step up in a BIG way for this game.

Nov 18th vs. Kansas City W - This could look eerily similar to last year's Wild Card Playoff Game.

Nov 22nd @ Atlanta W - Contain Michael Vick and win. The Colts will find a way.

Dec 2nd vs. Jacksonville W - The Colts have not done worse than a split with the Jaguars since the inception of the AFC South. I see that trend continuing.

Dec 9th @ Baltimore W - They no longer have Adalius Thomas to run with Dallas Clark, so the field will open up a bit for the offense, and a higher scoring affair than last year's 15-6 divisional game will ensue. The Ravens' won't be able to match. That said, this is another potential trap game.

Dec 16th @ Oakland W - Despite they're very good defense, they have no offense. The Colts will eventually wear down their defense and score a few points, which the Raiders will be unable to match.

Dec 23rd vs. Houston W - Green will probably be injured by this time, so they'll have no running game, and I don't believe Schaub is a franchise QB. This could be a blowout.

Dec 30th vs. Tennessee W - Will Pac-Man be back? Will it matter? They'd need a HUGE game from Vince Young to win this one, unless the Colts have nothing to play for, which could be the case.

Predicted record: 13-3
Best/Worst case scenarios: 14-2/11-5

Football Fan
06-13-2007, 03:01 AM
Greenbay prediction:

Sun., Sept. 9 Philadelphia Eagles Noon, FOX (L) Packers lose because they cant score

Sun., Sept. 16 at New York Giants Noon, FOX (W) packers win low scoring game

Sun., Sept. 23 San Diego Chargers Noon, CBS (Gold Package) (L) obvious

Sun., Sept. 30 at Minnesota Vikings Noon, FOX (W) packers win low scoring game

Sun., Oct. 7 Chicago Bears 7:15 p.m., NBC (L) bears crush, packers lose because they cant score

Sun., Oct. 14 Washington Redskins Noon, FOX (W) packers win low scoring game

Sun., Oct. 21 BYE WEEK

Mon., Oct. 29 at Denver Broncos 7:30 p.m., ESPN (L) packers lose because they cant score

Sun., Nov. 4 at Kansas City Chiefs Noon, FOX (L) packers lose because they cant score

Sun., Nov. 11 Minnesota Vikings Noon, FOX (Gold Package) (L) packers already demoralized, lose to a weak viking team because they cant score

Sun., Nov. 18 Carolina Panthers Noon, FOX* (L) packers lose because they cant score

Thu., Nov. 22 at Detroit Lions 11:30 a.m., FOX (W) packcers take there anger out on detroit

Thu., Nov. 29 at Dallas Cowboys 7:15 p.m., NFL Network (L) packers lose because they cant score, Favre throws 4 ints.

Sun., Dec. 9 Oakland Raiders Noon, CBS* (W) packers take there anger out on the raiders

Sun., Dec. 16 at St. Louis Rams Noon, FOX* (L) packers lose because they cant score

Sun., Dec. 23 at Chicago Bears Noon, FOX* (L) bears crush, packers lose because they cant score

Sun., Dec. 30 Detroit Lions (W) packers take there anger out on detroit. Favre walks up to Ted Thompson after game and slaps him, then procedes to give him a massive wedgy. Favre anounces his retirement.

packers 7-9, packers win one of the games I have them listed as losing in a low scoring game.

further prediction:
The following year Thompson adds some offensive talent to the team through free agency and uses there top ten pick to add additional depth to the offense. Aaron Rodgers becomes the first of many quarterbacks to play for the packers over the next decade and unfortunately doesnt play the full season his first year do to injury.

BaLLiN
06-13-2007, 06:15 AM
I think both of you are close in your predictions, but I think the Colts will be 10-6, because they lost both corners, even though they picked up some good ones in the draft, and have Jackson, It will affect them.

amazingdonnie
06-13-2007, 07:57 AM
Basically I respect everyone that has their own team doing worse than 10-6. Sadly that is only a handful of you guys.

What if their team rightfully deserves higher marks, the colts, pats, chargers for example?

duckseason
06-13-2007, 08:30 AM
What if their team rightfully deserves higher marks, the colts, pats, chargers for example?

Yeah, the fact is that a few teams will post records better than 10-6. I have no problem with a Patriot fan predicting 14-2. Actually, I don't really have a problem with everybody projecting a minimum 8-8. At this point in the year, damn near every team seems to have improved on paper. And knowing that some crap-heap dweller seems to rise up outta crapdom and into the playoffs each year, there's no reason for fans of a particular team not to at least be optimistic. Often times, the difference between 5-11 and 9-7 isn't that significant at all. Just a few plays here and there. An injury to a key player can be that difference, or maybe an unexpected weakness within the coaching staff is to blame. Or maybe it's a combination of things conspiring against a team from week to week. A lot of these thing can't be seen at this point in the year. For all we know, Derek Anderson could take the Browns to the playoffs. A handful of new stars are born every year. And with the extremely high turnover rate of players and coaches from season to season, it's tough to predict the actual strength of most teams going into the season. There's always a few playoff shoe-ins, and a few near-certain cellar dwellers, but other than that, it's up for grabs. I believe the Lions have a legitimate shot at the North. Doesn't mean I think they'll take it, but the balance of power in the NFL is constantly shifting. Eventually, the Texans will be atop the AFC South. I mean, were Bears fans dumb to think they could go 11-5 in '05? I only have a problem with people who predict a winning record for their team when they don't truly believe it will happen. If you've got good reason to believe your garbage ass team is ready to make a playoff push, then say it.

ricky bobby
06-13-2007, 08:32 AM
What if their team rightfully deserves higher marks, the colts, pats, chargers for example?
Who is to say who deserves what? Everything is different on a year to year basis.

For example: I see the Colts taking several steps back this year, but i'm taking 12-4 Colt predictions with a grain of salt. They can go 4-12 or 16-0, who knows?

So i'd rather keep my mouth shut rather than start accusing everybody alike of being 'homers'. Other people like to chop people down at the knees because they don't like their predictions.

tylerb929
06-13-2007, 08:37 AM
Sept 30th vs. Denver W - Reggie Wayne v. Dominique Foxworth

Dre Bly covers Anthony Gonzalez?

kalbears13
06-13-2007, 08:45 AM
I had you guys winning. :p

Yeah I know. Contrary to what people think, the Browns actually do win games.

Dam8610
06-13-2007, 08:48 AM
Dre Bly covers Anthony Gonzalez?

Wow, I completely forgot about that. Eh, I still like the matchup, and the point is Reggie Wayne likes to have big games against the Broncos.

Aftermath
06-13-2007, 10:08 AM
But don't forget, CJ didn't start getting hot until the 5th/6th game of the season.. and they're missing Chris Henry.

I wasn't making a case for Cleveland.. but Buffalo/KC had solid offseasons. Every game is winnable, but to make it sound like it's guaranteed... without their big threat WR, a Corner who broke his foot, a rookie at #2, and no real upgrades to their front 7...

Getting Brooks and Thurman back will be huge upgrades...

draftguru151
06-13-2007, 10:26 AM
Who is to say who deserves what? Everything is different on a year to year basis.

For example: I see the Colts taking several steps back this year, but i'm taking 12-4 Colt predictions with a grain of salt. They can go 4-12 or 16-0, who knows?

So i'd rather keep my mouth shut rather than start accusing everybody alike of being 'homers'. Other people like to chop people down at the knees because they don't like their predictions.

Then what is the point of even predicting anything? If I say the Raiders are going 12-4 and the Colts are going 12-4 which one makes more sense? Most predictions have some type or reasoning behind them, if a team got better this offseason someone predicting their record to be better makes sense. When a team gets worse people expect their record to get worse. Make sense? Whether Giant fans want to admit it losing Tiki is a HUGE lose, and even if the team did make the playoffs last year if wasn't a very good team. Keep saying all the trash about the injuries, the team is in serious trouble if Eli doesn't step up big time.

amazingdonnie
06-13-2007, 10:29 AM
Who is to say who deserves what? Everything is different on a year to year basis.

For example: I see the Colts taking several steps back this year, but i'm taking 12-4 Colt predictions with a grain of salt. They can go 4-12 or 16-0, who knows?

So i'd rather keep my mouth shut rather than start accusing everybody alike of being 'homers'. Other people like to chop people down at the knees because they don't like their predictions.

Predictions should be based off some logic. Traditionally, good teams don't immediately drop to 0-16. People with any degree of common sense, can see that teams like the Chargers, Colts, Pats, etc. SHOULD do pretty well. Like you say, they could all go 0-16, but these are predictions based off intuition and logic. I don't see the point of your post.

NY+Giants=NYG
06-13-2007, 10:34 AM
Then what is the point of even predicting anything? If I say the Raiders are going 12-4 and the Colts are going 12-4 which one makes more sense? Most predictions have some type or reasoning behind them, if a team got better this offseason someone predicting their record to be better makes sense. When a team gets worse people expect their record to get worse. Make sense? Whether Giant fans want to admit it losing Tiki is a HUGE lose, and even if the team did make the playoffs last year if wasn't a very good team. Keep saying all the trash about the injuries, the team is in serious trouble if Eli doesn't step up big time.

Yeah Tiki's lose will hurt us no doubt about it. But I always thought we relied on him too much to a fault. For instance, in the Panthers playoff game, granted it was the first one in a while for us, Fox knew Tiki was our offense, and did whatever he could to shut him down, forcing manning, in his first playoff appearance to win it. And than they attacked us. Good gameplan for them, but we had no plan B, or plan C. So yeah Tiki's lose will hurt us, but it's not like we have Ron Dayne as our starter.

Also, we did a huge move in finally fixing our coordinators. We fired Huffy and Tim lewis, and replaced Lewis with Spags, a coach from the Jm Johnson coaching tree, who believes in an aggressive traditional 4-3 defense, which is something we didn't have because Lewis ran his 4-3, 3-4 hybrid. On the other side of the ball, we promoted Kevin Gilbride to OC, which is a huge step because I couldn't stand Huffy as our OC, and he didn't even make it until the season was over. He got fired towards the end of the season. The playcalling was alot different when he took over as seen in the Redskins and Eagles game.

I think we have the possibility of being bad, but I think we are def. not as bad as everyone thinks or assumes we will be.

ricky bobby
06-13-2007, 10:42 AM
Then what is the point of even predicting anything? If I say the Raiders are going 12-4 and the Colts are going 12-4 which one makes more sense? Most predictions have some type or reasoning behind them, if a team got better this offseason someone predicting their record to be better makes sense. When a team gets worse people expect their record to get worse. Make sense? Whether Giant fans want to admit it losing Tiki is a HUGE lose, and even if the team did make the playoffs last year if wasn't a very good team. Keep saying all the trash about the injuries, the team is in serious trouble if Eli doesn't step up big time.
Anyone can make any predictions they want. But, unless you are God, and have proven to correctly predict the future, your prediction is as worthless as the next, unless you explain it. If you don't like somebody else's prediction, have the common decency to debate the point, rather than bunching everyone with a 10-6 or above record as being a "homer".

I'll give Moses credit here, he debated with me about the Giants. If you go back, and look on page 2 or 3, I answered the questions about the Giants. Eli does need to step up, but not everything can be placed on his shoulders. He played very well in the begining of the season. Eli's play went downhill because he lost his most reliable WR, Amani Toomer, and his starting Left Tackle to injuries. It's not just a coincidence. Eli had only 2 options to throw to, Shockey and Burress. Our #2 and #3 WRs did absolutely nothing. Teams would either double Plax or Shockey or stack the box on Tiki. Nobody else stepped up. I'm surprised our offense didn't completely stall. This year, our WR corp. will have Sinorice Moss (who was injured all last year) and Steve Smith who has shined so far, plus Shockey, Burress, Toomer. Eli will have more options this year. Brandon Jacobs, Ruben Droughns and Ahmad Bradshaw will all get time at RB this year. There will be a drop-off, but not a huge one. A lot of Tiki's success can be accredited to our O-line.

ricky bobby
06-13-2007, 10:51 AM
Predictions should be based off some logic. Traditionally, good teams don't immediately drop to 0-16. People with any degree of common sense, can see that teams like the Chargers, Colts, Pats, etc. SHOULD do pretty well. Like you say, they could all go 0-16, but these are predictions based off intuition and logic. I don't see the point of your post.
If you want to argue the point, please feel free to debate. But coming in and calling somebody a Homer because they have their team going 10-6 is ludicrous and very small minded. Simply calling somebody a "homer" shows that you don't have enough knowledge about a certain team to argue the point.

etk
06-13-2007, 11:23 AM
Indianapolis Colts:

Oct 7th vs. Tampa Bay W - They might have a chance if Garcia pulls the thumb out of his ass by then, but I don't see it happening.



Corrected it for you. Surprising to see a non-Bucs fan think we have a chance against the Colts, which we don't.

Shiver
06-13-2007, 11:31 AM
If you want to argue the point, please feel free to debate. But coming in and calling somebody a Homer because they have their team going 10-6 is ludicrous and very small minded. Simply calling somebody a "homer" shows that you don't have enough knowledge about a certain team to argue the point.

This is hilarious.

I posted what I needed to post. At the time I posted, 30+ predictions had arisen, all of them smacked of blind optimism. Not just from you, but others. Calling out my knowledge of football is a cop-out. I don't think the Giants will be good, therefore that proves I don't know what I am talking about.:rolleyes:

TPFKA#1SaintsFan
06-13-2007, 11:35 AM
Here's MY two cents: The Giants won't be any good.

That offense is going to be shockingly bad with no more Tiki. Unless Eli morphs into his brother overnight, things are going to be much worse than Giants fans are hoping for/willing to prepare for. I think 8-8 is probably on the high end of what can be realistically expected. I'd say 7-9 is fair.

Look at the bright side, though, Giants fans: Missing the playoffs means there is a good chance you guys will get rid of Coughlin.

Shiver
06-13-2007, 11:36 AM
Here's MY two cents: The Giants won't be any good.

That offense is going to be shockingly bad with no more Tiki. Unless Eli morphs into his brother overnight, things are going to be much worse than Giants fans are hoping for/willing to prepare for. I think 8-8 is probably on the high end of what can be realistically expected. I'd say 7-9 is fair.

Look at the bright side, though, Giants fans: Missing the playoffs means there is a good chance you guys will get rid of Coughlin.

Most people don't think the Giants will be any good. The only person who has knowledge of football is evidently "ricky bobby.":rolleyes:

etk
06-13-2007, 11:43 AM
Most people don't think the Giants will be any good. The only person who has knowledge of football is evidently "ricky bobby.":rolleyes:

I just don't understand his logic, plain and simple. Even if I was a hardcore Giants fan I'd still expect them to finish last in the NFC East.

NY+Giants=NYG
06-13-2007, 11:44 AM
Most people don't think the Giants will be any good. The only person who has knowledge of football is evidently "ricky bobby.":rolleyes:

I honestly don't expect to be great, but as bad as everyone thinks is too much. Apparently fans think it's an automatic easy win. That i think isn't accurate. I think it all depends on our running game. If Jacobs and Droughns can be productive, and if our new DC is as aggressive as advertized then things can be good for us.

Shiver
06-13-2007, 12:00 PM
I honestly don't expect to be great, but as bad as everyone thinks is too much. Apparently fans think it's an automatic easy win. That i think isn't accurate. I think it all depends on our running game. If Jacobs and Droughns can be productive, and if our new DC is as aggressive as advertized then things can be good for us.

But you don't call out everyone on their lack of "knowledge" if they don't agree with you. So I have no problem with you.

ricky bobby
06-13-2007, 12:02 PM
Well i'll just keep those 3 quotes in my sig throughout the entire season. If the Giants do bad, i'm going to look like a big fool, if they do well, you three will look like big fools. I'm confident enough in the Giants to take that risk.

Shiver
06-13-2007, 12:03 PM
Ugh, the off-season never officially starts until sig bets & quotes are made.

ricky bobby
06-13-2007, 12:05 PM
Ugh, the off-season never officially starts until sig bets & quotes are made.
Well I guess the off-season just began. :)

NY+Giants=NYG
06-13-2007, 12:15 PM
But you don't call out everyone on their lack of "knowledge" if they don't agree with you. So I have no problem with you.

Well no doubt. I do mod our board, if I did that than we'd have everyone thinking it's ok to put down others and rip people. People can have different opinions but as long as one respects the other person's right to state their opinion then it's fine.

ricky bobby
06-13-2007, 12:19 PM
Well no doubt. I do mod our board, if I did that than we'd have everyone thinking it's ok to put down others and rip people. People can have different opinions but as long as one respects the other person's right to state their opinion then it's fine.
Now, would you consider accusing a dozen or so people of being "homers" without explanation a put down?

etk
06-13-2007, 12:21 PM
Well i'll just keep those 3 quotes in my sig throughout the entire season. If the Giants do bad, i'm going to look like a big fool, if they do well, you three will look like big fools. I'm confident enough in the Giants to take that risk.

The difference is that 3+ people feel confident enough about the suckage of the Giants to make those comments. Only one fool on this whole board refutes and challenges those comments.

Geo
06-13-2007, 12:23 PM
<Thoughts on Colts' schedule below, w/o bolded text>

Sept 16th @ Tennessee W - Contain Vince Young and win. The Colts will find a way. This could be a trap game though.
Plus, the Titans receivers and backs will still be working their way into the offense. Actually, so will Nick Harper and Michael Griffin (@ corner) defensively for that matter, and there's no Pac-man to match up against Marvin Harrison. I don't think the Madden curse will have struck Young yet, but who knows.

Sept 23rd @ Houston W - They play tough at home, but the Colts will pull out yet another close one.
Glad to see the Colts playing the Texans at Reliant as early in Week 3, when (like the Titans) they have personnel at critical positions trying to gel into the offense. It seems like the Texans play better later in the year, but I don't have the exact figures. Also, Joseph Addai playing in his hometown of Houston is a good thing regardless of when it is, he ran for over 100 yards last year despite suffering an ankle sprain the week before.

Oct 7th vs. Tampa Bay W - They might have a chance if Rice and Adams can generate some pressure, but I don't see it happening.
I don't mean to be crude, but the only 4-3 defense that really stands a chance against the Colts is that of the Jacksonville Jaguars imo; it's the stronger 3-4 defenses that present the tougher match-up for the Colts. As for this particular match-up ... Manning and the offense have seen a Tampa 2 defense on a near-daily basis for over 6 years now. Also, Garcia won't be playing with that Eagles' offensive unit in this game.

Oct 22nd @ Jacksonville L - The Colts are a good team coming off the bye usually, but this is the type of game for which the Jaguars bring their A game. I don't foresee this being the blowout last year's debacle was, and the Colts could even win it.
And it's on Monday Night, so the Jags will undoubtedly play well (knowing that someone actually is watching them). But the Colts have also played very well on primetime in the last few years, so it will be a great matchup to see. I'm sure Maurice Drew is disappointed there's no Cato June to give him yet another 40-yard-plus TD run.

Oct 28th @ Carolina L - The Colts have never beaten the Panthers. It could happen this time, especially if the Panthers' usual rash of injuries has already taken effect, but for now, I'll call this a loss.
The Colts took the Panthers to overtime in 2003, a game in which Stephen Davis and DeShaun Foster absolutely carried them, and that was when the defense was at its peak. Stephen Davis in his prime isn't anywhere near this roster, and the team has (wait for it) Dwayne Jarrett instead of Muhsin Muhammed. Nevermind wondering whether John Fox is thick-skulled enough to have Chris Gamble as one of his starting corners by this time (I'd favor "yes"), but I'd be worried about the safeties and the linebackers in general for this game, if I were a Panthers fan. And if I were, I'd be hoping that the front four and the offensive line play out of their minds.

Nov. 4th vs. New England W - Wait, something's wrong here. The NFL actually scheduled a home game for the Colts against the Patriots? That can't be right. The Colts are 3-0 against the Patriots since Bob Sanders has become a starter, and he's been a difference maker in every game. I see that trend continuing.
If the Colts and Pats finish in the same place in their division for the next few years, we will see a string of Pats @ Colts games. It's how the system is devised.

Nov 11th @ San Diego L - I don't like the prospects of facing LaDainian Tomlinson at all. The Colts could win, but the defense would have to step up in a BIG way for this game.
The Colts did a very good job of containing Tomlinson in 2005, but it was Drew Brees who beat them. There's no Brees now, but Rivers isn't bad and I expect a heavy dose of Tomlinson behind that offensive line regardless. The Colts' offensive line needs to pass protect Manning well enough so that he can pick apart that secondary, or if not, hopefully Manning can play out of his mind and still win the game (like he did last year @ New England).

Nov 18th vs. Kansas City W - This could look eerily similar to last year's Wild Card Playoff Game.
I'd be surprised if the Colts didn't exclusively play Cover 3 for the first three quarters if not the entire game, keeping eight in the box at all times, and making Damon Huard or Brodie Croyle beat them. I wouldn't expect Ty Law to get two gift interceptions either, but who knows.

Nov 22nd @ Atlanta W - Contain Michael Vick and win. The Colts will find a way.
Easily the best game on Thanksgiving imo. While the Colts only have three days to prepare for the Falcons, the Falcons have three days to prepare for the Colts. I think containing the speedy/shifty Jerious Norwood (who will be the starting runningback by this time) will be the primary goal, I'd be much more concerned about him than Michael Vick picking apart a Tampa 2 defense - unlike Dallas, Indy has safeties who can actually cover. And it's no secret the Falcons will try to attack with Alge Crumpler down the middle.

Dec 2nd vs. Jacksonville W - The Colts have not done worse than a split with the Jaguars since the inception of the AFC South. I see that trend continuing.
At least the Colts will have a long week, following the Thanksgiving game, to rest up for this divisional rematch. Plus it's at home.

Dec 9th @ Baltimore W - They no longer have Adalius Thomas to run with Dallas Clark, so the field will open up a bit for the offense, and a higher scoring affair than last year's 15-6 divisional game will ensue. The Ravens' won't be able to match. That said, this is another potential trap game.
I don't believe this qualifies as a trap game. Plus. Willis McGahee and Steve "Dead Air" McNair will probably be dealing with nagging injuries by this time of the season (unfortunate but true). I'm sure Ray Lewis and Bart Scott will run their mouths this week too, probably ignoring the fact that they haven't beaten the Colts since 1998 (when rookie Peyton and Marshall Faulk lit them up for 31 and almost pulled off the road upset).

Dec 16th @ Oakland W - Despite they're very good defense, they have no offense. The Colts will eventually wear down their defense and score a few points, which the Raiders will be unable to match.
I'm looking forward to seeing the Colts offense play that Raiders defense, even though my comment about 4-3 defenses vs. the Colts stands. The Raiders might pull out an upset if they could run the ball heavily, like the Texans a year ago, but I'm not sure their offensive line will be a gelled enough unit to do that and the Colts' run defense would have to be as bad. Plus, by this time Jamarcus Russell could be gaining some valuable experience (he's the best quarterback on the roster anyways).

I think both of you are close in your predictions, but I think the Colts will be 10-6, because they lost both corners, even though they picked up some good ones in the draft, and have Jackson, It will affect them.
I'm looking forward to seeing Jackson and Hayden play as the starters. The two were able to gain some valuable experience last year, what with Hayden filling in for the injured Nick Harper and seeing time at nickel back, and Jackson subbing in for Jason David on plays by the end of the year (to improve the run defense especially) and having been the primary nickel back for the last two years. Would have liked defensive backs coach Leslie Frazier to stay with the team though, but the Vikings wisely hired him to be their defensive coordinator.

Also, Tim Jennings needs to stay healthy to be the team's nickel back, although Daymeion Hughes just might earn that job as a rookie anyway. Competition is a good thing.

For example: I see the Colts taking several steps back this year, but i'm taking 12-4 Colt predictions with a grain of salt. They can go 4-12 or 16-0, who knows?
With a certain injury or two, it could happen. Same with most teams.

frogstomp
06-13-2007, 12:23 PM
Now, would you consider accusing a dozen or so people of being "homers" without explanation a put down?


Well, not only were your game predictions questionable, but your "top performers" were complete crap, as well. Eli threw for over 300 yards once last year, and now you have him doing it in 3 straight games, two of which are 350+. You also seem to think that Jacobs is going to be no drop off whatsoever from Tiki.

NY+Giants=NYG
06-13-2007, 12:30 PM
Now, would you consider accusing a dozen or so people of being "homers" without explanation a put down?

No but on the same token you have to understand one rule or element with a message board like this. We have fans from ALL teams on this board, who never really study or watch ALL 32 teams with the same intensity as their favorite team. So basically in the end people are making assumptions based off media stuff, or some articles or stuff like that. So if they think we suck, I dont blame them. I mean it's not like their analysing much.

Coughlin sucks, secondary sucks, no tiki, = bad team.

Not much more than basically seeing what's on the surface. I bet we all can do that with every team if we wanted to. So I don't think anything bad of it if people think we suck or will suck. That's their opinion, and I respect it, and I always realize it's the nature of a site like this when you have fans from all teams trying to predict or judge another based on stuff they read. As fans of the team we should inform them of the issues surrounding our team, so that they can best form a more accurate opinion. After that, if they still stick to their opinion, than so be it. But trying to fight off every fan who thinks bad of our team isn't the way to go.

ricky bobby
06-13-2007, 12:31 PM
Well, not only were your game predictions questionable, but your "top performers" were complete crap, as well. Eli threw for over 300 yards once last year, and now you have him doing it in 3 straight games, two of which are 350+. You also seem to think that Jacobs is going to be no drop off whatsoever from Tiki.
Way to take the "top performers" seriously, champ. I'm not God, nor can I predict the future. I did that solely for entertainment value. 11-5 may be a bit optimistic. But, I still predict the Giants will go anywhere between 9-7 and 11-5.

I must have said this four times in this thread already. Tiki was nothing special physically. He was a patient runner and was very good at taking advantage of what the Offensive line created for him. A lot of his success can be accredited to our offensive line. Jacobs will inherit 4 out of 5 of those linemen. He is head and shoulders above Tiki physically. I don't think there will be a huge drop off, no.

etk
06-13-2007, 12:33 PM
Oct 7th vs. Tampa Bay W - They might have a chance if Rice and Adams can generate some pressure, but I don't see it happening.
I don't mean to be crude, but the only 4-3 defense that really stands a chance against the Colts is that of the Jacksonville Jaguars imo; it's the stronger 3-4 defenses that present the tougher match-up for the Colts. As for this particular match-up ... Manning and the offense have seen a Tampa 2 defense on a near-daily basis for over 6 years now. Also, Garcia won't be playing with that Eagles' offensive unit in this game.



It's not crude at all. Great QBs like Brady & Manning pick apart the Cover 2/Tampa 2.

frogstomp
06-13-2007, 12:42 PM
Way to take the "top performers" seriously, champ. I'm not God, nor can I predict the future. I did that solely for entertainment value. 11-5 may be a bit optimistic. But, I still predict the Giants will go anywhere between 9-7 and 11-5.

I must have said this four times in this thread already. Tiki was nothing special physically. He was a patient runner and was very good at taking advantage of what the Offensive line created for him. A lot of his success can be accredited to our offensive line. Jacobs will inherit 4 out of 5 of those linemen. He is head and shoulders above Tiki physically. I don't think there will be a huge drop off, no.


Tiki was a much better runningback and receiver out fo the backfield. Ask pretty much anyone. As for your "top performers", I only commented on them because they show the lack of thought you probably put into all of your predictions... which proves they are all worthless.

ricky bobby
06-13-2007, 12:53 PM
Tiki was a much better runningback and receiver out fo the backfield. Ask pretty much anyone. As for your "top performers", I only commented on them because they show the lack of thought you probably put into all of your predictions... which proves they are all worthless.
I don't expect you to buy the Jacobs hype, it's my personal opinion. Jacobs will have doubters until he puts together a full season as a starting RB, and I completely understand that.

If you find my predictions worthless, why are you reading and commenting on them? Have you ever agreed with me on any issue? If my name was BBD or Damix and I predicted 11-5 for the Giants, would you get your panties up in a bunch over it? The honest answer is no. You just like to pick fights with me because somewhere in the past I hurt your feelings. Well, i'm sorry I offended you in the past. Bitterness tears a person up inside. It's time to let it go.

Shiver
06-13-2007, 12:57 PM
Now, would you consider accusing a dozen or so people of being "homers" without explanation a put down?

Try 19. I didn't feel like debating all 19 of those predictions with in-depth analysis. It is homerism when people put the Steelers going 12-4, Falcons and Giants going 11-5, Green Bay going 10-6, etc. Their opinions are based on ignorance and blinded by the passion they have for "their" team. You cannot hide behind the 'it's just my opinion' mantra. Especially when you, in particular, used the 'well we (the Giants) are better than the Packers, Vikings and Falcons' retort. As if that is relevant in any way.

ricky bobby
06-13-2007, 01:00 PM
Try 19. I didn't feel like debating all 19 of those predictions with in-depth analysis. It is homerism when people put the Steelers going 12-4, Falcons and Giants going 11-5, Green Bay going 10-6, etc. Their opinions are based on ignorance and blinded by the passion they have for "their" team. You cannot hide behind the 'it's just my opinion' mantra. Especially when you, in particular, used the 'well we (the Giants) are better than the Packers, Vikings and Falcons' retort. As if that is relevant in any way.
We were having a merry ol' time in this thread, until you party poopers came in and broke it up. I was just offering a reasonable explanation as to why you would do that.

etk
06-13-2007, 01:01 PM
We were having a merry ol' time in this thread, until you party poopers came in and broke it up. I was just offering a reasonable explanation as to why you would do that.

Ignorance is bliss

yodabear
06-13-2007, 01:02 PM
To end the homer strtch, the Rams go 1-15, there only win coming against Seattle at home, and securing the #1 pick. AND NO I AM NOT JOKING!

Shiver
06-13-2007, 01:03 PM
Reasonable? Hardly. There is nothing wrong with a reality check. Odds are more than half of you guys are wrong with your optimistic predictions. If you go into the season with low expectations, (see me and njx's predictions), and your team exceeds it, that is much more rewarding anyway. Much better than thinking that every addition you make is going to be golden and all your losses are minimal, only to be proven wrong.

If I remember correctly BBD doesn't think the Giants will be that good either.

NY+Giants=NYG
06-13-2007, 01:12 PM
Reasonable? Hardly. There is nothing wrong with a reality check. Odds are more than half of you guys are wrong with your optimistic predictions. If you go into the season with low expectations, (see me and njx's predictions), and your team exceeds it, that is much more rewarding anyway. Much better than thinking that every addition you make is going to be golden and all your losses are minimal, only to be proven wrong.

If I remember correctly BBD doesn't think the Giants will be that good either.

I agree with that. I always keep my predictions on the low side, and actually last year I was pretty accurate with me. I stated 9-7 good, and 8-8 at worst if I am not mistaken. This year I think the same 9-7, 8-8. But usually BBD and I share the same thoughts when it comes to the giants.

yodabear
06-13-2007, 01:16 PM
In all seriousness, I think any fans who cheer for a team in the NFC should be optimistic, well maybe with the exception of the Lions. The NFC West is open. Yes, Seattle has won it 3 in a row, but they seem to be on the decline and the other three teams seem to be the on the rise, especially the Niners. The north is all about the Bears, but I think the Pack and Vikes could get a wild card. Every team in the south can win the division, the Bucs may be a stretch, but I think they have a chance. Same way with the east, I think any 4 of those teams, and once again, the Skins may be a stretch, but I think the have a chance. The AFC on the other hand:Houston, Oakland, Kansas City, Cleveland and Miami:maybe u guys can look forward to 2008.

ricky bobby
06-13-2007, 01:20 PM
Reasonable? Hardly. There is nothing wrong with a reality check. Odds are more than half of you guys are wrong with your optimistic predictions. If you go into the season with low expectations, (see me and njx's predictions), and your team exceeds it, that is much more rewarding anyway. Much better than thinking that every addition you make is going to be golden and all your losses are minimal, only to be proven wrong.

If I remember correctly BBD doesn't think the Giants will be that good either.
Yet you refuse to go into detail about the Giants. I will answer all your doubts, if only you were willing to debate this like decent human beings. Ever heard of the "Addition by subtraction" idea?

We lost:
- Tiki Barber RB - A major loss, but Jacobs has had enough playing time to prove he can be a solid starter. Ruben Droughns, who started last year, will also get time. Ahmad Bradshaw, a rookie has looked very promising and will be our scat back.

- Luke Petitgout LT - Very mediocre LT, who although got the job done, stalled way too many drives with his false starts. Also had injury issues.

- Lavar Arrington OLB - Undisciplined player who roamed where he pleased. Injury issues sidelined him, had no major contribution to the team. Addition by subraction

- Carlos Emmons OLB - 30+ year old stiff who had the size of a DE, but the speed of a kicker. Many jokes were made of him and how he got owned by running backs, especially Westbrook. Also had injury issues. Addition by subraction

- Jay Feely PK - Solid, but easily replaced by Lawrence Tynes

Those were our major losses

Our gains:
- Aaron Ross CB - Rookie CB who showed that he can be a playmaker that we haven't had in the secondary in years. Will start right away most likely.

- Steve Smith WR - Has looked great so far, will give Eli a target he so desperately needed toward the end of the season.

- Kawika Mitchell OLB - Not spectacular, but solid OLB that has racked up 100 tackles in his past two years.

- Lawrence Tynes PK - Accurate kicker.

So we took half a step backward with our losses, and one step forward with our additions. Then consider that there is no possible way we can be that ravaged by injuries agian, and our schedule is much easier and we can easily win 2-3 more games. I can't see how that is far fetched.

BTW, we should have been 9-7, if only Kiwi doesn't make the boneheaded move on VY.

Geo
06-13-2007, 01:22 PM
The key to stopping the Colts is run defense, first and foremost. Stop the run, and then you can bring pressure on Manning. If you can't stop the run, then the Colts can methodically break you down as a defense and stay on the field. Denver last year came into a home game undefeated thanks to a history-breaking defense, and Champ Bailey essentially shut down Marvin Harrison for the most part in the game itself, but as long as Joseph Addai was gaining 4 to 6 yards at a time on the ground, the Broncos defense wore down and gave up more scores in the red zone than they had the five previous games. Stop the run.

Especially as the Colts' offensive line isn't a physically dominant unit nor the most talented, they rely on technique and endurance to withstand the plays at the LOS/no-huddle offense/4 quarters of play. Their best chance against a stout defense is to wear them down enough, using the passing game to try to stay on the field, to establish the run - the divisional playoff game against the Ravens, or the AFCCG against the Pats, are good examples. Truth be told, the Colts offensive line is built to pass protect just long enough for Manning, with his decision-making and his release, to succeed: hence the 1st round picks at the skill positions and left tackle, Day Two picks for the rest of the offensive line. I'm quite glad that Polian has brought in some additional muscle this year in Tony Ugoh and Rick DeMulling though, hopefully they help with run-blocking (especially if Ugoh sees time at guard).

That's why the Patriots have been such a tough match-up for the Colts. They would stop the run so well that they would force the Colts into obvious passing situations or even make them (foolishly) abandon the run altogether, either way they would then drop anywhere from 7 to even 9 into coverage and get the Colts off the field. The bitter pain of the playoff losses, especially the loss to the Steelers in 05 where Edge should have had more touches (sigh), have made Manning:

(1) work on his ability to deliver the ball out of the pocket and on the run; and
(2) be more committed to the run

Learning and gaining from his mistakes helped the Colts break through and be one of 41 teams to ever win a Super Bowl title. Quite honestly, I'd still like to see the team run more, especially in the second half of games, e.g. they should have run the ball down Buffalo's throat last year (I heart Buffalo and the Bills, but it's true).

I'm still not entirely comfortable with all of the decision-making being in his hands, truth be told. He's a passer and, by nature of his position and himself, given all of the success he's had, will have the utmost confidence that he and his teammates - Harrison and Wayne most notably - can get the job done through the air. I think that's why it took him and the Colts so long, Manning had to figuratively and literally learn the hard way in some aspects, whereas other quarterbacks had the benefit of a driving force in their offensive coordinator/head coach to direct what was their offenses.

Don't get me wrong, Tom Moore is a good offensive coordinator, but Peyton Manning is a great quarterback. The Colts don't do stunts and bells and whistles, 99.5% of the time Harrison lines up on the right and Wayne on the left, Clark at TE or in the slot, maybe Addai might lines up wide once in a while, and the Colts' goal is to out-execute than to out-smart. It's all based on execution, andi t's easier for them to properly execute and succeed when they can run the ball.

(Whew, don't know where all of that came from ... )

Severe Punishment
06-13-2007, 01:24 PM
To end the homer strtch, the Rams go 1-15, there only win coming against Seattle at home, and securing the #1 pick. AND NO I AM NOT JOKING!
Kinda harsh aren't ya ? I mean you do have Bulger, Jackson, Holt , Bruce and a defense that's young and should be aggresive. Linehan isn't a big risk taker...so I'd anticipate alot of close games. I see a 7-9 win season
for most teams...the Rams included.

Severe Punishment
06-13-2007, 01:27 PM
"Ricky Bobby" You forgot to mention that Kiwi (I believe) is transitioning from DE to OLB.

I think at best the Giants are a 9 win team...however at worst, even the most die hard fan should be able to see a 4 or 5 win year. It's going to depend largely upon
the RB's and whether or not it was Tiki or the running game as a whole that has
been so productive over the last 4 years.

If Eli doesn't progress (or shows very little improvement) and the RB's don't
produce then it could be very very bad for NY.

ricky bobby
06-13-2007, 01:33 PM
"Ricky Bobby" You forgot to mention that Kiwi (I believe) is transitioning from DE to OLB.

I think at best the Giants are a 9 win team...however at worst, even the most die hard fan should be able to see a 4 or 5 win year. It's going to depend largely upon
the RB's and whether or not it was Tiki or the running game as a whole that has
been so productive over the last 4 years.

If Eli doesn't progress (or shows very little improvement) and the RB's don't
produce then it could be very very bad for NY.
I'm not going to blame Eli. He played very well for the first half of last year. He didn't have a #3 WR all season long, and then when he lost his #2, he really started to stink. He does need to become more accurate, but he seemed to get the job done early on, so i'm blaming the injuries. We have given him more weapons, if he does poorly this year, I will start thinking about QBs in the draft.

Geo
06-13-2007, 01:41 PM
I suppose the interesting case would the the Minnesota Vikings, with their current 4-3 defense and stout run defense particularly, vs. the Colts. The two teams won't play each other until next year, and that should be in Minnesota, I believe.

The Vikings would stop the run initially, but to be brutally honest, they would get no pressure on Manning whatsoever (even if Erasmus James were @ full health). If they brought in a blitzer, Addai would pick him up if necessary and that would leave one less defender in coverage.

The Viings would put safety help on both Harrison and Wayne, to make the Colts gain yardage in chunks, but that would open up opportunities for the TEs Dallas Clark and Ben Utecht vs. Ben Leber and EJ Henderson, Anthony Gonzalez against a LB or a nickel back, and Joseph Addai out of the backfield or lined up in the slot or out wide. Eventually the Colts would wear the Vikings defense down enough that they could run on them.

The best chance for the Vikings would be for: (1) Adrian Peterson and the Vikings offense to run the ball so well that they dominated time of possession; and (2) for the offense to score touchdowns while limiting the Colts to field goals. Winning the turnover battle by at least 3 turnovers goes without saying.

Shiver
06-13-2007, 02:38 PM
Yet you refuse to go into detail about the Giants. I will answer all your doubts, if only you were willing to debate this like decent human beings. Ever heard of the "Addition by subtraction" idea?

We lost:
- Tiki Barber RB - A major loss, but Jacobs has had enough playing time to prove he can be a solid starter. Ruben Droughns, who started last year, will also get time. Ahmad Bradshaw, a rookie has looked very promising and will be our scat back.

You lost one of the best RBs in the NFL and replaced him with Reuben Droughns, the lead back in one of the league's worst rushing attacks. Tiki willed the Giants into the playoffs last year. Without him, they would have been 5-11/6-10 range.

- Luke Petitgout LT - Very mediocre LT, who although got the job done, stalled way too many drives with his false starts. Also had injury issues.

While he wasn't that good, they didn't replace him with a legitimate option. Instead they are relying on a career Guard, or a late 4th round project OT.

- Lavar Arrington OLB - Undisciplined player who roamed where he pleased. Injury issues sidelined him, had no major contribution to the team. Addition by subraction

That is hilarious because last year most Giants fans raved about his addition last year. It's the typical 'every addition is great, every subtraction is actually helpful' mentality. He contributed greatly to the Giants win over the Cowboys in the game in which he was hurt.

- Carlos Emmons OLB - 30+ year old stiff who had the size of a DE, but the speed of a kicker. Many jokes were made of him and how he got owned by running backs, especially Westbrook. Also had injury issues. Addition by subraction

So they replaced him with a DE-sized, slow, young player, who is transitioning to a new position? That doesn't sound much better.

- Jay Feely PK - Solid, but easily replaced by Lawrence Tynes

I dislike Jay Feely, but he is a much better player than Lawrence Tynes. I live in Kansas City and follow Atlanta, so I would know.

Our gains:
- Aaron Ross CB - Rookie CB who showed that he can be a playmaker that we haven't had in the secondary in years. Will start right away most likely.

Rookie corners are always inconsistent. Let alone a raw one like Ross, who was noted by NFL.com's prospect profile to have these negatives:

Lacks field intelligence and will bite on pump fakes and misdirection...generates a lot of pass interference penalties due to his penchant of constantly grabbing at the receiver's jersey heading down field … Lacks an ideal feel for seeing the plays develop and will need time to learn the proper techniques of diagnosing and reading keys....Too much of a risk taker, doing a poor job of keeping plays in front of him.

To expect him to be a playmaker for your secondary as a rookie is exactly what I was talking about. Overt, fan based, optimism.

- Steve Smith WR - Has looked great so far, will give Eli a target he so desperately needed toward the end of the season.

Rookie Wide Receivers rarely produce from the get-go. Last year Giants fans made the same claims about Sinorice Moss 'helping' Eli Manning. Not to mention the general lack of success USC receivers have had. For all we know, Smith was a beneficiary of the situation he was in, with a great QB, a dominant receiver drawing double teams, etc.

- Kawika Mitchell OLB - Not spectacular, but solid OLB that has racked up 100 tackles in his past two years.

Webster's defines Mediocre as;

Main Entry: me·di·o·cre
Pronunciation: "mE-dE-'O-k&r
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle French, from Latin mediocris, from medius middle + Old Latin ocris stony mountain; akin to Latin acer sharp
: of moderate or low quality, value, ability, or performance

- Lawrence Tynes PK - Accurate kicker.

LOL

So we took half a step backward with our losses, and one step forward with our additions. Then consider that there is no possible way we can be that ravaged by injuries agian, and our schedule is much easier and we can easily win 2-3 more games. I can't see how that is far fetched.

BTW, we should have been 9-7, if only Kiwi doesn't make the boneheaded move on VY.

Tiki Barber is three times the step backwards in contrast to adding a bunch of unproven rookies and mediocre veterans. Eli Manning will be even more pressed to step up without the benefit of an elite rushing attack. If anything, a step back should be more expected, rather than an ascension to very good status.

This post only cemented your status as a homer in my books. As you think that adding highly touted rookies is equal compensation to losing your only dangerous offensive weapon and M.V.P caliber player.

scottyboy
06-13-2007, 04:03 PM
Shiver- you're right, some of it is total homerism, but some points you just made are false. Kiwi, although not playing LB yet in the NFL, is already better than Carlos Emmons. Emmons was just awful, completly awful. another, granted Diehl is a career guard, but he has played LT in the past, most recently, a game many skins fans will remember, as will I, when tiki closed out his regular season career with a huge game. Diehl played LT that game for us.

I praised the Lavar signing, but thats over with, he played well for us, but he got hurt. Jacobs is a total unknown variable right now, who could carry this O, and have a great year, be a bust, or just be a solid runner, honestly we dont know. every team has question marks, but some feel the Giants' are bigger than most teams, which simply isnt true.

Ewing
06-13-2007, 04:12 PM
I hope the Giants go 0-16 just so we can watch ricky bobby and GRF go insane.

niel89
06-13-2007, 04:23 PM
I hope the Giants go 0-16 just so we can watch ricky bobby and GRF go insane.

it would only be sweeter if Eli caused each one in bad-Rex Grossman fashion

Shiver
06-13-2007, 04:28 PM
Shiver- you're right, some of it is total homerism, but some points you just made are false. Kiwi, although not playing LB yet in the NFL, is already better than Carlos Emmons. Emmons was just awful, completly awful.

Re-read what I was saying. I wasn't saying he wouldn't be better than Emmons. He just may not be that good in his new role. It isn't as if he will make a major impact on the overall quality of the defense.

another, granted Diehl is a career guard, but he has played LT in the past, most recently, a game many skins fans will remember, as will I, when tiki closed out his regular season career with a huge game. Diehl played LT that game for us.

Not as though the Redskins had a good defense. Once again; just because Petitgout wasn't good, doesn't make Diehl/Whimper good. Diehl probably will be solid at best, mediocre at worst. Somewhere in that range.

I praised the Lavar signing, but thats over with, he played well for us, but he got hurt.

What I am saying is all too often fans are dismissive of subtractions to their roster, while praising every addition. Only to flip-flop when it suites their interest.

What I was Jacobs is a total unknown variable right now, who could carry this O, and have a great year, be a bust, or just be a solid runner, honestly we dont know. every team has question marks, but some feel the Giants' are bigger than most teams, which simply isnt true.

Regardless of what Jacobs does, the rushing attack won't be nearly as good as it has been. That is just a fact. To what degree is up for debate, but I would bet that it would be a steep drop off.

In Conclusion: There are a lot of question marks surround the Giants. To assume that all of those questions will be answered positively is overly optimistic. Is it possible? Sure. I would say that most people think that the odds are against it. Especially when you lose your M.V.P, whose success help shield Eli Manning from the focus of opposing defenses.

NY+Giants=NYG
06-13-2007, 04:46 PM
In Conclusion: There are a lot of question marks surround the Giants. To assume that all of those questions will be answered positively is overly optimistic. Is it possible? Sure. I would say that most people think that the odds are against it. Especially when you lose your M.V.P, whose success help shield Eli Manning from the focus of opposing defenses.

Yeah we had alot of question marks but alot of those are filled. Now were they filled with people who can hold their own, that remains to be seen. But our division has it's share of question marks as well. While Tiki was a big part of our offense, he did help out and develop Jacobs, so we, as giants fans have that to look forward to. So if Droughns and Jacobs can produce and hold their own, I think we will be balanced. We do have a above avg wr corps, and looking forward to the impact of Moss and Smith to our wr corps.

Like I said I expect a 8-8, or 9-7 season. If things go bad, and the question marks turn out to suck, than perhaps 7-9.

scottyboy
06-13-2007, 04:51 PM
shiver, i mis-read your Emmons comment. And if the Redskins D is so bad, why do many have the Giants pegged last in the division? Diehl played very well all year last year, at LG and LT. yes, you have other vaild points about our questions, and yes, there has been alot of homerism here, so i'm trying to sort out the blind homerism, and some likely optimistic answers.

also, i am NOT comfortable with Tynes, I'd rather have our rookie Huston, and the Giants do have another hole, with FB Jim Finn going on the IR earlier today

ricky bobby
06-13-2007, 04:51 PM
You lost one of the best RBs in the NFL and replaced him with Reuben Droughns, the lead back in one of the league's worst rushing attacks. Tiki willed the Giants into the playoffs last year. Without him, they would have been 5-11/6-10 range.

No, not only Ruben Droughns, Brandon Jacobs will be the feature back. Droughns, a starter last year, will be his backup.

While he wasn't that good, they didn't replace him with a legitimate option. Instead they are relying on a career Guard, or a late 4th round project OT.

Diehl played very well at LT last year. He is very athletic and tall. He's shown that he is very versatile, playing RT a few years back. He looks more like a LT than an OG. Anything is better than Petitgout and Bob Whitfield. Yeah, Bob Whitfield started for us after Petitgout was injured.

That is hilarious because last year most Giants fans raved about his addition last year. It's the typical 'every addition is great, every subtraction is actually helpful' mentality. He contributed greatly to the Giants win over the Cowboys in the game in which he was hurt.

I didn't rave about the signing. I actually was very weary of his previous injuries. He spent most of his time on the bench with an injury. Our defense did not miss him for a second.

So they replaced him with a DE-sized, slow, young player, who is transitioning to a new position? That doesn't sound much better.

Kiwanuka is miles above Emmons athleticism wise, and he proved that last year as a rookie with 2 INTs, 50 some odd tackles and 4 sacks. He only started for half the year btw.

I dislike Jay Feely, but he is a much better player than Lawrence Tynes. I live in Kansas City and follow Atlanta, so I would know.

Lawrence Tynes - 78.2 field goal percentage. Do your RESEARCH before you LOL at his accuracy.

Rookie corners are always inconsistent. Let alone a raw one like Ross, who was noted by NFL.com's prospect profile to have these negatives: To expect him to be a playmaker for your secondary as a rookie is exactly what I was talking about. Overt, fan based, optimism.

Ross won the award for best DB in the nation. We haven't lost anyone from the secondary, we've only added to it. It's called gravy.

Rookie Wide Receivers rarely produce from the get-go. Last year Giants fans made the same claims about Sinorice Moss 'helping' Eli Manning. Not to mention the general lack of success USC receivers have had. For all we know, Smith was a beneficiary of the situation he was in, with a great QB, a dominant receiver drawing double teams, etc.

Or for all we know he'll be the next Marquis Colston. Who are you to say how he'll do? So far he's been described as having great hands and great route running ability. Our coaches have been pleased with both him and Ahmad Bradshaw the RB.

Tiki Barber is three times the step backwards in contrast to adding a bunch of unproven rookies and mediocre veterans. Eli Manning will be even more pressed to step up without the benefit of an elite rushing attack. If anything, a step back should be more expected, rather than an ascension to very good status.

We cut everyone that was an old injury prone stiff and added new, young, fresh legs that have contributed a great amount in the college ranks. How we will take a step back is beyond me.

So let's review:

Why the Giants will step back
- The loss of Tiki Barber

Why the Giants will win 2-3 more games
- The schedule will be easier
- Our depth is much improves with young talent incase injuries strike agian
- We have added a new starter to our secondary, which was very weak last year
- There is no way we'll lose half our starters on defense, our #2 WR, and our LT agian. The odds of that are a million to one.
- Eli will have 2 more recievers than he had last year

That's plenty of reasons as to why we will win 2-3 more games, don't you think??

Scottyboy - Time to stop kissing the moderator's butt.

scottyboy
06-13-2007, 05:00 PM
You lost one of the best RBs in the NFL and replaced him with Reuben Droughns, the lead back in one of the league's worst rushing attacks. Tiki willed the Giants into the playoffs last year. Without him, they would have been 5-11/6-10 range.

No, not only Ruben Droughns, Brandon Jacobs will be the feature back. Droughns, a starter last year, will be his backup.

While he wasn't that good, they didn't replace him with a legitimate option. Instead they are relying on a career Guard, or a late 4th round project OT.

Diehl played very well at LT last year. He is very athletic and tall. He's shown that he is very versatile, playing RT a few years back. He looks more like a LT than an OG. Anything is better than Petitgout and Bob Whitfield. Yeah, Bob Whitfield started for us after Petitgout was injured.

That is hilarious because last year most Giants fans raved about his addition last year. It's the typical 'every addition is great, every subtraction is actually helpful' mentality. He contributed greatly to the Giants win over the Cowboys in the game in which he was hurt.

I didn't rave about the signing. I actually was very weary of his previous injuries. He spent most of his time on the bench with an injury. Our defense did not miss him for a second.

So they replaced him with a DE-sized, slow, young player, who is transitioning to a new position? That doesn't sound much better.

Kiwanuka is miles above Emmons athleticism wise, and he proved that last year as a rookie with 2 INTs, 50 some odd tackles and 4 sacks. He only started for half the year btw.

I dislike Jay Feely, but he is a much better player than Lawrence Tynes. I live in Kansas City and follow Atlanta, so I would know.

Lawrence Tynes - 78.2 field goal percentage. Do your RESEARCH before you LOL at his accuracy.

Rookie corners are always inconsistent. Let alone a raw one like Ross, who was noted by NFL.com's prospect profile to have these negatives: To expect him to be a playmaker for your secondary as a rookie is exactly what I was talking about. Overt, fan based, optimism.

Ross won the award for best DB in the nation. We haven't lost anyone from the secondary, we've only added to it. It's called gravy.

Rookie Wide Receivers rarely produce from the get-go. Last year Giants fans made the same claims about Sinorice Moss 'helping' Eli Manning. Not to mention the general lack of success USC receivers have had. For all we know, Smith was a beneficiary of the situation he was in, with a great QB, a dominant receiver drawing double teams, etc.

Or for all we know he'll be the next Marquis Colston. Who are you to say how he'll do? So far he's been described as having great hands and great route running ability. Our coaches have been pleased with both him and Ahmad Bradshaw the RB.

Tiki Barber is three times the step backwards in contrast to adding a bunch of unproven rookies and mediocre veterans. Eli Manning will be even more pressed to step up without the benefit of an elite rushing attack. If anything, a step back should be more expected, rather than an ascension to very good status.

We cut everyone that was an old injury prone stiff and added new, young, fresh legs that have contributed a great amount in the college ranks. How we will take a step back is beyond me.

So let's review:

Why the Giants will step back
- The loss of Tiki Barber

Why the Giants will win 2-3 more games
- The schedule will be easier
- Our depth is much improves with young talent incase injuries strike agian
- We have added a new starter to our secondary, which was very weak last year
- There is no way we'll lose half our starters on defense, our #2 WR, and our LT agian. The odds of that are a million to one.
- Eli will have 2 more recievers than he had last year

That's plenty of reasons as to why we will win 2-3 more games, don't you think??

Scottyboy - Time to stop kissing the moderator's butt.

ricky, i aint kissing up. He doesnt know as much about the Giants as Giants fans. I am very uncomfortable with Tynes, but have been iwth every Giants kicker since Brad D. Diehl will be very solid, and Kiwi is an ENORMOUS stetp up from emmons. But B-jac is a huge unknown, and who's gonna be his lead blocker? i love the giants, and many know im a homer with my teams! :D
i expect the playoffs at 9-7, or 10-6. Many who dont follow a team seem to exaggerate their holes. Many felt Staley was the best pick for the Giants this year, when in reality it wouldve been the worst, considering we al ready have a project in Whimper. Giants wont finish in the bottom of the NFC EAST guaranteed and will be 1st or 2nd(possible tie for either)

skinzzfan25
06-13-2007, 05:06 PM
Tiki Barber is three times the step backwards in contrast to adding a bunch of unproven rookies and mediocre veterans. Eli Manning will be even more pressed to step up without the benefit of an elite rushing attack. If anything, a step back should be more expected, rather than an ascension to very good status.

We cut everyone that was an old injury prone stiff and added new, young, fresh legs that have contributed a great amount in the college ranks. How we will take a step back is beyond me.



Droughns is nothing to be proud of. With his whopping 3.4 (3.9 career) average, that's a huge step back from Tiki alone. Jacobs has still not proven that he can be an every down back. Of course he looks good, coming in when defenses are tired after Tiki. With under 100 carries, I wouldn't hand him an award yet...

More responsibility will fall on Eli to make plays. If he can, then the offense should be pretty good. He just hasn't shown that he can do that on a regular basis (even with Tiki)

Shiver
06-13-2007, 05:12 PM
No, not only Ruben Droughns, Brandon Jacobs will be the feature back. Droughns, a starter last year, will be his backup.

Which is even more uncertainty than if Droughns was the starter.

Diehl played very well at LT last year. He is very athletic and tall. He's shown that he is very versatile, playing RT a few years back. He looks more like a LT than an OG. Anything is better than Petitgout and Bob Whitfield. Yeah, Bob Whitfield started for us after Petitgout was injured.

Don't get me started on Bob Whitfield. Just because he's better than crappy players doesn't make him good.

I didn't rave about the signing. I actually was very weary of his previous injuries. He spent most of his time on the bench with an injury. Our defense did not miss him for a second.

When healthy he is much better than Kawika Mitchell. Once again, I live in Kansas City, I know he isn't very good. When Napolean Harris is an upgrade over you that is not a good sign.

Kiwanuka is miles above Emmons athleticism wise, and he proved that last year as a rookie with 2 INTs, 50 some odd tackles and 4 sacks. He only started for half the year btw.

That was as a DE. No one knows how he will play at OLB. I personally think it's a poor move, made by desperation. He will move back to DE when Strahan retires soon.

Lawrence Tynes - 78.2 field goal percentage. Do your RESEARCH before you LOL at his accuracy.

That doesn't disprove my point. That being; Jay Feely is still much better kicker and it is a downgrade for the Giants. 78.2% isn't that accurate.

Ross won the award for best DB in the nation. We haven't lost anyone from the secondary, we've only added to it. It's called gravy.

1st - Greg Eslinger beat out Nick Mangold for the best O-Lineman award two years ago. Collegiate awards don't mean anything.

2nd - The secondary was awful and they only added a rookie to it. It's called not good enough. Not to mention Sam Madison is a year older.

Or for all we know he'll be the next Marquis Colston. Who are you to say how he'll do? So far he's been described as having great hands and great route running ability. Our coaches have been pleased with both him and Ahmad Bradshaw the RB.

It's called statistical probability. The odds are against him being the next Marques Colston.

We cut everyone that was an old injury prone stiff and added new, young, fresh legs that have contributed a great amount in the college ranks. How we will take a step back is beyond me.

You lost your best player and added rookies. I guess it is beyond your capacity to think.

So let's review:

Why the Giants will step back
- The loss of Tiki Barber

I'll add in a few..

- Relying on rookies and young players to produce immediately and not make mistakes
- A team that has a sharp disconnect with its coaching staff, with perennial cancers like Jeremy Shockey and Plaxico Burress
- Eli Manning couldn't get it done with an M.V.P caliber player shielding him from the primary defensive focus


Why the Giants will win 2-3 more games
- The schedule will be easier

You don't know that. As if pre-season S.O.S means anything.

- Our depth is much improves with young talent incase injuries strike agian

I could say that about every team. Every draft class exponentially increases the team's depth and talent. At the end of the day it doesn't matter.

- We have added a new starter to our secondary, which was very weak last year

Adding one rookie CB doesn't change much in the grand scheme of things.

- There is no way we'll lose half our starters on defense, our #2 WR, and our LT agian. The odds of that are a million to one.

The odds of you making any sense is 5,000,000,000 to 1. See! I can make up statistics as well. Injuries happen all of the time. Some teams are perennially decimated. I said that same 'it won't happen again' mantra last year with my Falcons. Guess what? More injuries to important players!

- Eli will have 2 more recievers than he had last year

Amani Toomer is old, Sinorice Moss is unproven, Steve Smith is a rookie. Quantity doesn't add up to quality. Especially when the lack of Tiki Barber allows defenses to attack Manning without fear of Jacobs/Droughns burning them.

That's plenty of reasons as to why we will win 2-3 more games, don't you think??

If I wanted to, and really believed my own B.S, I could give you a litany of reasons why the Falcons will go 11-5. Using your dismissive, nonsensical, optimism, to slant my statement.

Scottyboy - Time to stop kissing the moderator's butt.

He doesn't need to. Maybe it's just because he isn't blinded by ignorance towards his favorite team.

NY+Giants=NYG
06-13-2007, 05:16 PM
Droughns is nothing to be proud of. With his whopping 3.4 (3.9 career) average, that's a huge step back from Tiki alone. Jacobs has still not proven that he can be an every down back. Of course he looks good, coming in when defenses are tired after Tiki. With under 100 carries, I wouldn't hand him an award yet...

More responsibility will fall on Eli to make plays. If he can, then the offense should be pretty good. He just hasn't shown that he can do that on a regular basis (even with Tiki)

Yeah but that's the browns oline, going up against the Steelers, bengals, and Ravens, with Frye as their qb.. No wonder he had issues. Look at his stats with a healthier o line

2004 den | 16 | 275 1240 4.5 6 |
2005 cle | 16 | 309 1232 4.0 2

Pretty decent avgs. And our oline is better than the browns so theory is he and Jacobs can provide a good 1-2 punch for us. While I am excited about Jacobs, all I am saying is don't count us out just because Tiki retired.

Shiver
06-13-2007, 05:30 PM
Here are my Falcons' predictions if I were like Ricky Bobby:

[Actual Predictions: 7-9]

Patrick Kerney was hurt last year and has been unproductive lately. We draft Jamaal Anderson with the 8th pick, he had a dominant year in the SEC, therefore he will be an upgrade over Kerney.

Jason Webster was terrible. Chris Houston held down Dwayne Jarrett (CAR) and Robert Meachem (NO) in college, so he will hold both of them down in the NFL.

Matt Lehr was dreadful. Justin Blalock was a dominant college player, so that is addition.

Jerious Norwood is up to 210-lbs. He will now be able to shoulder the load, despite a lack of evidence that he can do just that.

Michael Vick is playing better in practice than he ever has. He has a command of Bobby Petrino's offense, which was raved about by NFL people like Tom Coughlin. He will finally get off of his current plateau.

Joe Horn's tutelage will help Roddy White, Laurent Robinson and Michael Jenkins finally show some consistency.

Jimmy Williams has all-pro talent and is a massive upgrade over Chris Crocker.

I could go on and on if I wanted to. It is so easy to be a homer, it isn't even funny. If I really believed that everything I wrote down will come about, then they will go 11-5. I will let them prove it to me before I project them doing anything. I would much rather be surprised by their success, rather than their failure.

[Homer Predictions: 11-5]

ricky bobby
06-13-2007, 06:14 PM
- Relying on rookies and young players to produce immediately and not make mistakes

We're not relying on rookies. We haven't lost anyone in the secondary, if Ross doesn't play well preseason, we'll simply have the same lineup we did last season. If Smith doesn't play well (which he has shown no signs of) we'll play Moss. The rest of the rookies are there for depth.

- A team that has a sharp disconnect with its coaching staff, with perennial cancers like Jeremy Shockey and Plaxico Burress

Yeah, because Shockey and Burress have really hurt us in the past.

Our players did not like the coordinators. They hated Lewis's 3-4 , 4-3 mix and the corners were forced to play zone, which was not their strength. Corey Webster, who was injured most of last season, is very optimistic about getting back to playing man to man.

- Eli Manning couldn't get it done with an M.V.P caliber player shielding him from the primary defensive focus

Eli Manning couldn't get it done when his #2 WR went down and when Bob Whitfield blocked his weak side.

Amani Toomer is old, Sinorice Moss is unproven, Steve Smith is a rookie. Quantity doesn't add up to quality. Especially when the lack of Tiki Barber allows defenses to attack Manning without fear of Jacobs/Droughns burning them.

Although Toomer is old, he's a possesion reciever. He was never a burner, and he has never relied solely on his athletic ability. He just runs great routes, is very aware of his position and makes every catch. He can do that until he's 37. Sinorice Moss hasn't had the chance to prove himself due to injury. Smith is an Amani Toomer type of player, but with more speed. Eli had only 2 WRs last year that contributed. This year, he'll have two more weapons.

For the ten trillionth time, Tiki's success was largely in part due to the offensive line. He was nothing spectacular physically, he was patient and used his Offensive line very well. A lot of his success is accredited to the Offensive line. If I have to type that agian, I will hurl all over my keyboard.

BTW, you could be as optimistic as you want. I have absolutely no problem with it. I have my predictions, you have yours. Why do you feel it's necessary to chop somebody down at the knees because of a prediction? Especially when it's not as far-fetched as you would have yourself to believe. I mean a top five pick?? Have you absolutely lost it? Go look at the ESPN, sportsline, etc. predictions. I'll bet they have us somewhere in the mid teens, which means we're expected to be somewhere betwwen 7-9 10-6.

Shiver
06-13-2007, 06:21 PM
Maybe top-5 is harsh. I'll rephrase that to top-10, which is a 5-11 to 7-9 range.

Diehard
06-13-2007, 06:32 PM
Denver Broncos:

I think the stretch from Weeks 3-7 will be the real test for the Broncos. A good showing in those games could establish the team as a force in the AFC. Week 6 is a bye, giving the team a breather if things do get ugly.

Sep 9 @Buffalo - Loss
Damn opening day curse!

Sep 16 Oakland - Win
It will take a little time for the Raiders to put things together...

Sep 23 Jacksonville - Win
Being at home will make the difference.

Sep 30 @Indianapolis - Loss
Shanny can't get the monkey off his back.

Oct 7 San Diego - Loss
The Chargers are the team to beat in the AFC West.

Week 6 BYE
An easy way of breaking up a potentially nasty losing streak.

Oct 21 Pittsburgh - Win (Loss?)
This one will be interesting. Pitt has talent, but they're in transition.

Oct 29 Green Bay - Win
The difference in running games is the major factor here.

Nov 4 @Detroit - Win
Bly struts his stuff against his old team (even if every other team picks on him mercilessly).

Nov 11 @Kansas City - Loss
Damn divisional slugfests!

Nov 19 Tennessee - Win
I'm a little dubious about the Titan's offseason. Could they take a step back?

Nov 25 @Chicago - Loss
Broncos get beaten up in the Windy City.

Dec 2 @Oakland - Loss
Oakland's had some time to get their act together and decide to extract a little vengeance...

Dec 9 Kansas City - Win
Now it's Denver's turn to get some back.

Dec 13 @Houston - Win
Neither QB gets decent protection, but Denver's running game carries the day.

Dec 24 @San Diego - Loss
We couldn't beat them at home, so why should we win on the road?

Dec 30 Minnesota - Win
Vikings have a brutal season and Denver finishes them off. A top 5 pick in the 2008 draft does take a bit of the sting away, though.

Denver finishes 9-7, but improves as the season progresses... setting things up for a 2008 playoff run.

Shiver
06-13-2007, 06:32 PM
For the ten trillionth time, Tiki's success was largely in part due to the offensive line. He was nothing spectacular physically, he was patient and used his Offensive line very well. A lot of his success is accredited to the Offensive line. If I have to type that agian, I will hurl all over my keyboard.

Maybe if you keep saying that you'll actually believe that tripe. I could say the same thing about LaDainian Tomlinson. If you took him of the Chargers, regardless of the O-Line, there is a steep drop off to Michael Turner. You cannot dismiss the impact a RB like that has on the rest of the offense. Having a 2,000 yard weapon changes the whole dynamic of how a defense will face the Giants.

BTW, you could be as optimistic as you want. I have absolutely no problem with it. I have my predictions, you have yours. Why do you feel it's necessary to chop somebody down at the knees because of a prediction? Especially when it's not as far-fetched as you would have yourself to believe.

Because it isn't just you with a prediction I disagree with. There were people predicting 10-6+ for the 49ers, Steelers, Falcons and Packers. Being blatantly optimistic about 'your' team does no one any good, specifically when 75% of these predictions will result in utter disappointment.

I mean a top five pick?? Have you absolutely lost it?

In today's NFL of parity, 5-11 isn't that far stretched. Unless Eli Manning actually plays well this year, consistently.

Go look at the ESPN, sportsline, etc. predictions. I'll bet they have us somewhere in the mid teens, which means we're expected to be somewhere betwwen 7-9 10-6.

Every year it is proven that CBS Sportsline and ESPN predictions are stupid. So why should I adhere to what they think the Giants will do?

niel89
06-13-2007, 07:58 PM
This is a great move that we've been discussing on the Giants team board as early as last year. We've envisioned this for awhile now.

If you look back, Ive always felt that Kiwi was actually at his best last season when he was standing up. He was more impressive as a rushbacker/lb than as a LE. He has amazing fluidity in coverage, long arms, a knack for the ball, and sure hands. He makes plays standing up, he's actually better suited at that position with his current frame. Every single time they stood him up (maybe 15 plays total), he was a playmaker. He got INTs, he got sacks, he broke up passes, he got hurries, he was a playmaker every time. This was another big reason why if you look back, Ive been pushing for a switch to a 3-4 defense for us after Strahan retires with Kiwi and Osi as rushbackers and Chase Blackburn and AP as ILBs.

As a fulltime DE, I noticed he lacks the strength to really hack it as anything more than a situational pass rusher DE. He needs to add 20 more lbs to be a full time DE. Thats not an easy process by any means. Right here right now, he's simply not strong enough to hack it there fulltime.

In his new role, think Julian Peterson. He'll be a rover/rushbacker type of SAM/WILL (mostly SAM) on 1st and 2nd down, and if need be, will put his hand on the dirt and rush as a DE on 3rd.

Its also important to understand the system that we run now. With Spagnuola, expect heavy blitzing. SAM responsibilities on the TE are minimal, he'll mostly either rush or play a zone or get safety help up top in man coverage with the TE.

We also got DeOssie in the draft, which is another versatile type player who will either back him up, or if he can hack it, maybe even play WILL can really make our front 7 very formiddable in terms of pass rush.

in defense of the kiwi to OLB move, for giants defensive discussion i think that BBD is probably the best poster. he seems to like what he saw of kiwi when he was standing up, so take it for what its worth.

but other than that Shiver im fully agreeing with you. i dont buy that tiki was a product of his O-line, please. keep going this is hilarious.

Shiver
06-13-2007, 08:34 PM
I'm not saying Kiwanuka won't be good. However, any time you move a guy from a 4-3 DE to a 4-3 OLB you have to question how he will handle the transition. It just seems to me that if they had a decent option at LB they would have kept him at DE and rotate him with the declining Michael Strahan. What will they do when Strahan retires? Move him back to DE? It seems desperate.

JK17
06-13-2007, 08:35 PM
- We're not relying on rookies. We haven't lost anyone in the secondary, if Ross doesn't play well preseason, we'll simply have the same lineup we did last season. If Smith doesn't play well (which he has shown no signs of) we'll play Moss. The rest of the rookies are there for depth.
You said adding Ross makes your secondary instantly better, since he was such a great college talent, which is wrong, and even if you have the same secondary as last year, they are now a year older, and still not very good. As far as Smith, what your saying is if a rookie doesn't play well, which is highly likely at WR, you'll replace him with a just as unproven guy in Sinorice Moss, which will automatically fix the problem? I don't think so, you can't just "play moss", he's done nothing.



Eli Manning couldn't get it done when his #2 WR went down and when Bob Whitfield blocked his weak side.
Every team goes through injuries, Eli made many poor choices. Besides if Bob Whitfield was so bad, then your argument about Tiki being a product of the O-Line is null and void.


- Although Toomer is old, he's a possesion reciever. He was never a burner, and he has never relied solely on his athletic ability. He just runs great routes, is very aware of his position and makes every catch. He can do that until he's 37. Sinorice Moss hasn't had the chance to prove himself due to injury. Smith is an Amani Toomer type of player, but with more speed. Eli had only 2 WRs last year that contributed. This year, he'll have two more weapons.
I'm sure Toomer will be perfect after coming off of a season-ending injury and aging another year. Age and injuries almost never effect WR's (sarcasm). Sinorice Moss has not had a chance to prove hismelf, so I sure hope you guys aren't counting on him. Same with Steve Smith who was in a great college offensive system and will see the field very little as a rookie WR.

- For the ten trillionth time, Tiki's success was largely in part due to the offensive line. He was nothing spectacular physically, he was patient and used his Offensive line very well. A lot of his success is accredited to the Offensive line. If I have to type that agian, I will hurl all over my keyboard.
Living in NJ, the biggest complaint I heard about the Giants offense is that the O-Line couldn't block anyone. So I don't know why you think they are all-world guys out there. Even so, assume they are, and Tiki managed to use them well, your losing that ability to use and see holes created by an O-Line. That's just an excuse to try and cover the fact that losing Tiki will hurt the Giants.

ricky bobby
06-13-2007, 09:10 PM
JK17, you've pretty much repeated what Shiver said. Way to be original.

BaLLiN
06-13-2007, 09:12 PM
Every team goes through injuries, Eli made many poor choices. Besides if Bob Whitfield was so bad, then your argument about Tiki being a product of the O-Line is null and void.

Tiki was not entirely a product of our O-line, he was good, and smart, he rode our O-line and broke long runs. Also Whitfield was horrible, between missing blocks and getting personal fouls, there is no argument that he was horrible. HE WAS NOT A STARTER. We lost 11 starters due to injuries throughout the season, to say that every team goes through injuries is correct, but this was unbelievable.

Steve Smith will see the field very little as a rookie WR.
I disagree, the coaching staff has gone nuts over him, and there are discussions of him starting at #2 WR because of Toomer's injury.

cover the fact that losing Tiki will hurt the Giants.
It will hurt the giants, but the loss of tiki won't bring us below 6-10.

JK17
06-13-2007, 09:16 PM
JK17, you've pretty much repeated what Shiver said. Way to be original.

Thanks man.

That still doesn't give you an answer for it.

I went into more detail about why you felt Steve Smith and Sinorice Moss are certainly "good enough" is simply wrong, and doesn't apply as making the team better, and did the same with Aaron Ross. Shiver mentioned it, I brought up other aspects of the conversation. That's how debate takes place.

Then I also elaborated on your argument that Tiki was a product of his O-Line by explaining that many Giants fans I know complained abou the teams Offensive Line production, and certainly would have said Tiki made them look good, if anything. This was a different argument and presented differently then the way Shiver did, since it focused more around the hypocrisy with you claiming on one hand the O-Line was responsible for Manning's struggles, but also so good that losing Tiki means nothing.

I know you think that everyone just "sucks up to the mods" but try and realize your arguments may not be all that strong or plausible, so just because they don't agree with you, doesn't make agreeing with them wrong.

scottyboy
06-13-2007, 09:20 PM
Shiver, when Strahan retires, we have Justin Tuck to possibly fill in, or even have Kiwi switch back to DE, and start now rookie Zak DeOssie. the giants have young LB's that they want to develop more(Zak, Blackburn, and if he loses to Kawika Mitchell, Gerris Wilkinson, and Reggie Torbor)

the complaint of our OL couldnt block was b/c our OL at one point had Bob Whitfield(ugggh dont get me started) at LT and Seubert at C. every team has injuries, but the Giants were hit harder than most. I mean when Tim Carter is a primary option, your screwed. But injuries cant be used as an excuse for 8-8, but it was a strong factor