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neko4
06-12-2007, 11:09 AM
Okay theres been a lot of debate when it comes to QB's and I figure I'd make an all-time team voting thread. There will be a first, second, third and fourth all-time team. Voting will be done like so:
QB's:
1-Unitas
2-Montana
3-Elway
4-Marino

Unitas gets 4 points, Montana 3, Elway 2, and Marino 1
Voting for QB's starts now, QB voting will end when a QB reaches 50. Can only cast one ballot. If you want to change vote, edit original post, and then quote and say you changed it. Voting will be a bit different for other positions.

QB- Elway; Montana; Unitas; Marino
HB- Sanders; Payton; Sayers; Campbell
FB- Brown; Csonka; Taylor; Motley
WR-
WR-
TE-
OT-
OG-
C-
OG-
OT-

DE-
DT-
DT-
DE-
LB-
LB-
LB-
CB-
CB-
S-
S-

K-
P-

WR Race so far
Jerry Rice- 48
Cris Carter- 39
Don Hutson- 27
Lance Alworth- 27
Marvin Harrison- 15
Raymond Berry- 10
Tim Brown- 10
Fred Biletinikoff- 10
Steve Largent- 7
Paul Warfield- 6
Art Monk- 5
James Lofton- 4
John Stallworth-3
Michael Irvin- 1

neko4
06-12-2007, 11:10 AM
My vote:
1-Unitas
2-Montana
3-Baugh
4-Favre

Splat
06-12-2007, 11:21 AM
1.Montana
2.Elway
3.Marino
4.Unitas

OhioState
06-12-2007, 11:23 AM
1. Elway
2. Montana
3. Marino
4. Favre

Jughead10
06-12-2007, 11:45 AM
1. Elway
2. Unitas
3. Staubach
4. Montana

Shiver
06-12-2007, 11:48 AM
1. Marino
2. Montana
3. Unitas
4. Elway

Paul
06-12-2007, 11:51 AM
1. Elway
2. Montana
3. Unitas
4. Marino

neko4
06-12-2007, 11:52 AM
If voting goes on like this I might stop it at 6

neko4
06-12-2007, 11:57 AM
http://content.clearchannel.com/Photos/musicians/p_diddy/diddy_vote_or_die_GI.jpg

Ewing
06-12-2007, 11:58 AM
1. Unitas
2. Marino
3. Montana
4. Favre

Addict
06-12-2007, 12:01 PM
1. Marino
2. Montana
3. Favre
4. Unitas

I think Marino with a support cast would be scary.

Acreboy
06-12-2007, 12:38 PM
1.) Montana
2.) Marino
3.) Elway
4.) Unitis

devinhester=R.O.Y 2006
06-12-2007, 12:41 PM
1. Elway
2. Marino
3. Favre
4. Unitas

JeffSamardzijaIRISH
06-12-2007, 12:42 PM
1. Marino
2. Montana
3. Manning
4. Elway

neko4
06-12-2007, 12:51 PM
Updated:
Montana-26
Elway-23
Unitas-19
Marino-24
Favre-7
Baugh-2
Staubach-2

draftguru151
06-12-2007, 01:10 PM
1. Marino
2. Elway
3. Unitas
4. Montana

princefielder28
06-12-2007, 01:17 PM
1. Elway
2. Unitas
3. Favre
4. Montana

ny10804
06-12-2007, 01:22 PM
I'd have to go with Brett Favre spelt four different ways:

1. Favre
2. Farve
3. Frave
4. Faver

bearfan
06-12-2007, 01:47 PM
1. Montana
2. Unitas
3. Elway
4. Favre

JK17
06-12-2007, 01:52 PM
1. Joe Montana
2. Dan Marino
3. John Elway
4. Johnny Unitas

Ewing
06-12-2007, 01:55 PM
1. Marino
2. Montana
3. Manning
4. Elway

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/5023/colbertfacepalmrc1.jpg

skinzzfan25
06-12-2007, 02:04 PM
1 Unitas
2 Elway
3 Montana
4 Baugh

GB12
06-12-2007, 02:15 PM
1. Elway
2. Marino
3. Unitas
4. Favre

yourfavestoner
06-12-2007, 02:24 PM
1. Unitas
2. Montana
3. Elway
4. Marino

stl9erfan
06-12-2007, 02:44 PM
Montana
Elway
Marino
Otto Graham

neko4
06-12-2007, 02:44 PM
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/4871/stewartfacepalmfx5.jpg

pic didnt show up

neko4
06-12-2007, 02:45 PM
1. Marino
2. Montana
3. Manning
4. Elway

Was this a change?
Who was originally there?

If you want to change vote, edit original post, and then quote and say you changed it. Voting will be a bit different for other positions.

Ewing
06-12-2007, 02:48 PM
pic didnt show up

Dammit... One second let me change it.

doingthisinsteadofwork
06-12-2007, 02:48 PM
Montana
Unitas
Elway

neko4
06-12-2007, 02:50 PM
As of 3:49 PM Est
QB Race so far:
Montana-46
Elway-45
Unitas-40
Marino-35
Favre-11
Baugh-3
Staubach-2

Ewing
06-12-2007, 02:50 PM
Was this a change?
Who was originally there?

No it wasn't a change I just think it's insane to have Manning ahead of Elway, Favre, Unitas, Graham and many others.

VY10
06-12-2007, 02:50 PM
1. Elway
2. Montana
3. Favre
4. Unitas

neko4
06-12-2007, 02:56 PM
UPDATE:
I cant wait another 8 hours, so when a QB reaches 65 we'll stop

reese
06-12-2007, 03:17 PM
marino
elway
favre

neko4
06-12-2007, 03:20 PM
marino
elway
favre

Montana
Unitas
Elway

4th please

Severe Punishment
06-12-2007, 03:38 PM
1-Elway
2-Montana
3-Favre
4-Marino

Ucla49ersFan
06-12-2007, 03:39 PM
1. Montana
2. Unitas
3. Elway
4. Favre

reese
06-12-2007, 03:44 PM
4th is a tough 1...the 3 i have i think are so far and away better then the rest that its hard to pick a 4th...

fran tarkenton

neko4
06-12-2007, 04:05 PM
As of 5:04 PM Est
Elway-58
Montana-56
Unitas-44
Marino-40
Favre-18
Baugh-3
Staubach-2
Manning-2
Fran Tarkenton-1

JK17
06-12-2007, 04:06 PM
As of 5:04 PM Est
Elway-58
Montana-56
Unitas-44
Marino-40
Favre-18
Baugh-3
Staubach-2
Manning-2
Fran Tarkenton-1

So much for Elway not being able to hold Manning's jockstrap...

neko4
06-12-2007, 04:08 PM
So much for Elway not being able to hold Manning's jockstrap...

That Neo guy was an idiot. I'll still dont know why Unitas is i 3rd, but I guess that has to do w/ time frame

Chief49er
06-12-2007, 04:09 PM
1-Steve Young
2-Joe Montana
3-P. Manning
4-Tom Brady

neko4
06-12-2007, 04:11 PM
1-Steve Young
2-Joe Montana
3-P. Manning
4-Tom Brady

funniest list yet, but I'll count it

reese
06-12-2007, 04:11 PM
funniest list yet, but I'll count it

i thought the same thing

Chief49er
06-12-2007, 04:13 PM
Hey... Steve Young is underrated!

as for Marino and Elway... I think they should be 3 and 4 as of now. But as looking at an ALL TIME team I tried to look into the future and think of Manning and Brady 10 years from now.

Paul
06-12-2007, 04:14 PM
1-Steve Young
2-Joe Montana
3-P. Manning
4-Tom Brady

Did Tom Brady just beat out Alex Smith?

neko4
06-12-2007, 04:14 PM
Hey... Steve Young is underrated!

as for Marino and Elway... I think they should be 3 and 4 as of now. But as looking at an ALL TIME team I tried to look into the future and think of Manning and Brady 10 years from now.

Its alright, Manning, Young, and Brady are way out of the running anyway

JK17
06-12-2007, 04:15 PM
Hey... Steve Young is underrated!

as for Marino and Elway... I think they should be 3 and 4 as of now. But as looking at an ALL TIME team I tried to look into the future and think of Manning and Brady 10 years from now.

Yeah because its a safe assumption that there accomplishments will continue at the same rate over the course of the next ten years, and that even if they do, they will surpass Elway, Marino, Unitas, Grahm, Favre etc...

:rolleyes:

reese
06-12-2007, 04:15 PM
Hey... Steve Young is underrated!

as for Marino and Elway... I think they should be 3 and 4 as of now. But as looking at an ALL TIME team I tried to look into the future and think of Manning and Brady 10 years from now.

so ud honestly take steve young over any other qb in history?

Chief49er
06-12-2007, 04:23 PM
so ud honestly take steve young over any other qb in history?

yes.

A left-handed thrower, Young was famous for his ability to "scramble" away from the pass rush. He holds the record for most career rushing touchdowns by a quarterback, 43. He is the only quarterback in NFL history to have four consecutive seasons with a passer rating of over 100; he also led the league in passer rating those four years, another NFL record. Overall, Young was the NFL's top rated passer in 6 different seasons (1991-1994, 1996-1997), tying a record set by Sammy Baugh.

He has the second-highest single-season passer rating at 112.8 (set in the 1994 season), next to Indianapolis Colts' Peyton Manning, who shattered the mark in 2004 with a record 121.1 QB rating. However, among quarterbacks with at least 1,500 passing attempts, Young's career passer rating of 96.8 is the highest of any quarterback in NFL history. Peyton Manning is second at 94.4; Kurt Warner is third at 93.8. Young's career completion percentage (64.3%) is the fourth-highest ever for qualifying quarterbacks, behind Kurt Warner (65.6%), Chad Pennington (65.1%), and Marc Bulger (64.4%).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Young_(athlete)

http://www.databasefootball.com/players/playerpage.htm?ilkid=YOUNGSTE02

reese
06-12-2007, 04:28 PM
yes.

A left-handed thrower, Young was famous for his ability to "scramble" away from the pass rush. He holds the record for most career rushing touchdowns by a quarterback, 43. He is the only quarterback in NFL history to have four consecutive seasons with a passer rating of over 100; he also led the league in passer rating those four years, another NFL record. Overall, Young was the NFL's top rated passer in 6 different seasons (1991-1994, 1996-1997), tying a record set by Sammy Baugh.

He has the second-highest single-season passer rating at 112.8 (set in the 1994 season), next to Indianapolis Colts' Peyton Manning, who shattered the mark in 2004 with a record 121.1 QB rating. However, among quarterbacks with at least 1,500 passing attempts, Young's career passer rating of 96.8 is the highest of any quarterback in NFL history. Peyton Manning is second at 94.4; Kurt Warner is third at 93.8. Young's career completion percentage (64.3%) is the fourth-highest ever for qualifying quarterbacks, behind Kurt Warner (65.6%), Chad Pennington (65.1%), and Marc Bulger (64.4%).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Young_(athlete)

http://www.databasefootball.com/players/playerpage.htm?ilkid=YOUNGSTE02

those stats u gave really dont mean a whole lot...i mean look at the guys who u mentioned with him...kurt warner...pennington...

reese
06-12-2007, 04:29 PM
im not tryin to bash young...i thnk he was good but i dont think he is even close to being one of the best ever

neko4
06-12-2007, 04:30 PM
Young always had Rice, thats my reasoning

JK17
06-12-2007, 04:31 PM
yes.

A left-handed thrower, Young was famous for his ability to "scramble" away from the pass rush. He holds the record for most career rushing touchdowns by a quarterback, 43. He is the only quarterback in NFL history to have four consecutive seasons with a passer rating of over 100; he also led the league in passer rating those four years, another NFL record. Overall, Young was the NFL's top rated passer in 6 different seasons (1991-1994, 1996-1997), tying a record set by Sammy Baugh.

He has the second-highest single-season passer rating at 112.8 (set in the 1994 season), next to Indianapolis Colts' Peyton Manning, who shattered the mark in 2004 with a record 121.1 QB rating. However, among quarterbacks with at least 1,500 passing attempts, Young's career passer rating of 96.8 is the highest of any quarterback in NFL history. Peyton Manning is second at 94.4; Kurt Warner is third at 93.8. Young's career completion percentage (64.3%) is the fourth-highest ever for qualifying quarterbacks, behind Kurt Warner (65.6%), Chad Pennington (65.1%), and Marc Bulger (64.4%).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Young_(athlete)

http://www.databasefootball.com/players/playerpage.htm?ilkid=YOUNGSTE02

I don't know where to start. To be honest I prefer people saying Peyton Manning is the best QB of all time. We could start by looking at Young's supporting cast and saying that was a reason for his lofty numbers. We could then draw from that, then his numbers aren't an overwhelingly accurate depiction of the quarterback he is, even though he is quite a good quarterback.

He was certainly not a good QB before going to San Fransisco, he was abysmal in Tampa Bay... 3 W 16 L, posting a whopping 21 interceptions and just 11 TD's. Then to top it off his completion percentage hovered at 55%.

He wasn't a fulltime starter, granted he was playing behind Montana, until his 8th season, giving him only a seven year career, with one of the best supporting casts a QB could ask for. In addition he had many injury problems and only was a starter for every game twice in his career.

Finally, you could look at some of the other QBs in the stats you used. Chad Pennington, Marc Bulger, Kurt Warner? Those guys are good QBs but the fact that they are up there with him shows its not as meaningful a stat as one could hope for.

That being said he was a HOF QB and a great QB at that, but G.O.A.T at QB? Hell no.

Chief49er
06-12-2007, 04:31 PM
Young always had Rice, thats my reasoning

maybe Rice always had Montana and Young.

JK17
06-12-2007, 04:42 PM
maybe Rice always had Montana and Young.

Or you just got caught being a homer...Young isnt the best QB in 49er history.

neko4
06-12-2007, 04:51 PM
maybe Rice always had Montana and Young.
And Rich Gannon too?



Not likely considering he was good in Oakland at an old age

neko4
06-12-2007, 04:55 PM
Okay I'll change it to 60...which means that the next vote could be the deciding factor

reese
06-12-2007, 04:55 PM
whats the score

neko4
06-12-2007, 04:56 PM
whats the score

Montana-59
Elway-58
Unitas-44
Marino-40
Favre-18
Young-4
Manning-4
Baugh-3
Staubach-2
Fran Tarkenton-1
Brady-1

When someone reaches 60, voting will stop

TACKLE
06-12-2007, 05:08 PM
1 - Elway
2 - Unitas
3 - Montana
4 - Marino

SuperMcGee
06-12-2007, 05:09 PM
1- Montana
2- Unitas
3- Marino
4- Young (not really, Elway and Favre are above him and Peyton will be also but I just love Young. But this thing is over now anyway so I'm sticking with Stevie.)

neko4
06-12-2007, 05:12 PM
1- Montana
2- Unitas
3- Marino
4- Young (not really, Elway and Favre are above him and Peyton will be also but I just love Young. But this thing is over now anyway so I'm sticking with Stevie.)

voting techniculy(ooo terrible spelling) ended w/ TACKLE, so this vote is void

FINAL:
1st Team QB: Elway, by one point
2nd Team: Montana
3rd Team: Unitas
4th Team: Marino
Honorable Mention: Favre, Manning, Baugh, Tarkenton, Young, Brady

SuperMcGee
06-12-2007, 05:15 PM
voting techniculy(ooo terrible spelling) ended w/ TACKLE, so this vote is void

Yeah I saw that. Ah well, Elway is a great choice, even if I had him low on my list.

reese
06-12-2007, 05:16 PM
i try to not hate montana but stuff like this doesnt help...

what position is next?

neko4
06-12-2007, 05:17 PM
Next is HB's and FB's, not to be bunched together though, keep i mind Jim Brown was a FB

HB's:
1-Walter Payton
2-Ladannian Tomlinson
3-Barry Sanders
4-Paul Hornung

FB's:
1-Jim Brown
2-Larry Csonka
3-Lorenzo Neal
4-Ernie Nevers

reese
06-12-2007, 05:20 PM
1. barry sanders




2. walter payton
3. ladanian tomlinson
4. gale sayers

JK17
06-12-2007, 05:24 PM
Hm, Jim Brown being a FB, then I would say...

HB
1-Walter Payton
2-Barry Sanders
3-Gale Sayers
4-LaDainain Tomlinson

FB
1- Jim Brown
2- Bronko Nagurski
3- Larry Csonka
4- Jim Taylor

*Edit* Yes, its hypocritical of me to get angered at people saying Peyton Manning is the best QB of all time, then say LT is a top 5 RB (5th, with Jim Brown at #1). My only reasoning is that his career in terms of being in his prime is closer to being over, and his production is on pace with the greats, and he has established many longstanding records, that were thought wouldn't be broken. And I'm a homer. Shoot me.

broncs2bowl
06-12-2007, 05:27 PM
HB:
1) Barry Sanders
2) Walter Payton
3) Eric Dickerson
4) Terrell Davis


just for the heck of it, QB: 1) Elway, 2) Montana, 3) Marino, 4) Manning

JK17
06-12-2007, 05:30 PM
HB:
1) Barry Sanders
2) Walter Payton
3) Eric Dickerson
4) Terrell Davis

just for the heck of it, QB: 1) Elway, 2) Montana, 3) Marino, 4) Manning

I think the voting for top four decoys of all time is next :p

TACKLE
06-12-2007, 05:42 PM
HB
1 - Walter Payton
2 - Barry Sanders
3 - Gale Sayers
4 - OJ Simpson

FB
1 - Jim Brown (Not even worth mentioning anyone else)

someone447
06-12-2007, 05:43 PM
1)Barry Sanders
2)Walter Payton
3)Earl Campbell
4)Emmit Smith

FB
1) Jim Brown
2)Marion Motley
3)Jim Taylor
4)Bronco Nagurski

Marion Motley not listed on a list of greatest fullbacks is completely flawed. That is like making a list of greatest centers(basketball) and leaving off George Mikan.

JK17
06-12-2007, 05:48 PM
1)Barry Sanders
2)Walter Payton
3)Earl Campbell
4)Emmit Smith

FB
1) Jim Brown
2)Marion Motley
3)Jim Taylor
4)Bronco Nagurski

Marion Motley not listed on a list of greatest fullbacks is completely flawed. That is like making a list of greatest centers(basketball) and leaving off George Mikan.

I'm not going to lie I don't know a lot about Motley. I know a good deal about football's history and all that, but I don't know much about Motley. From what I read on his hall of fame bio at least he looks like he belongs in the rankings, I'm going to stand by what I have though, just because I know more about those players.

neko4
06-12-2007, 05:51 PM
I'm not going to lie I don't know a lot about Motley. I know a good deal about football's history and all that, but I don't know much about Motley. From what I read on his hall of fame bio at least he looks like he belongs in the rankings, I'm going to stand by what I have though, just because I know more about those players.

Same here, I heard his name before but other than that not much. Im still suprised that Im the only one to vote for Nevers

neko4
06-12-2007, 05:55 PM
HB Race so far:
Payton- 20
Sanders- 20
LT- 6
Sayers- 6
Dickerson- 2
Campbell- 2
Hornung- 1
T. Davis- 1
OJ- 1
E. Smith- 1

FB:
Jim Brown- 16
Csonka- 5
Nagurski- 4
Motley- 3
Taylor- 3
Neal- 2
Nevers- 1

Not everybody voted in the FB race

JK17
06-12-2007, 06:11 PM
Not everybody voted in the FB race

I wouldn't expect people too, Jim Brown makes it so runaway, that the other votes almost seem meaningless, aside from setting 2, 3, 4th strings. Its also not a very "dominant" position.

Chief49er
06-12-2007, 06:14 PM
1. Barry Sanders
2. Walter Payton
3. Bo Jackson
4. Jim Brown, Emmitt Smith, L.T.???

yourfavestoner
06-12-2007, 06:14 PM
Jim from Jacksonville: I've always been “old school” and one of my favorite positions was the classic fullback (I was a Dolphin season ticket holder during the 1970’s), such as Larry Csonka and, most recently, Mike Alstott. Can you please provide us with your insights as to why this position has become less of an offensive weapon and now has evolved into essentially a blocking back?
Vic: You’re comparing apples and oranges. Csonka played in an era of split backs, with a fullback and a halfback side by side in the backfield. In the split-backs formation, the fullback was the featured ball-carrier and the halfback was the blocker. Csonka was a fullback. Franco Harris was the fullback and Rocky Bleier, a fantastic blocker, was the halfback. The Redskins had great success in the 1980’s with the one-back set, and that evolved into today’s popular backfield formation, which uses one back as the premier ball-carrier and another back almost exclusively as a lead blocker. We call them running back and fullback, but the names are unimportant. What’s important is the formation in which they are employed and their functions in that formation. Don’t think of players in terms of position names. Think of them in terms of their roles. Csonka and Harris were feature backs, which made their role no different than LaDainian Tomlinson’s.


http://jaguars.com/news/article.aspx?id=6074

That goes for Jim Brown, too. Not listing him as a runningback in this vote is criminal.

neko4
06-12-2007, 06:16 PM
1. Barry Sanders
2. Walter Payton
3. Bo Jackson
4. Jim Brown, Emmitt Smith, L.T.???

Jim Brown is a FB, and most people would agree that he is the best overall RB to ever play the game
Please give me a different 4th

yourfavestoner
06-12-2007, 06:18 PM
Anyways, here's my list.

1. Jim Brown
2. Earl Campbell
3. Walter Payton
4. Barry Sanders

JK17
06-12-2007, 06:18 PM
1. Barry Sanders
2. Walter Payton
3. Bo Jackson
4. Jim Brown, Emmitt Smith, L.T.???

Well at least Frank Gore wasn't at the top of your list....

Bo Jackson over Jim Brown? Jim Brown grouped with Emmit Smith? ...
:rolleyes:

Chief49er
06-12-2007, 06:19 PM
Jim Brown is a FB, and most people would agree that he is the best overall RB to ever play the game
Please give me a different 4th

ok...

1. Barry Sanders
2. Walter Payton
3. Bo Jackson
4. Emmitt Smith

neko4
06-12-2007, 06:20 PM
That goes for Jim Brown, too. Not listing him as a runningback in this vote is criminal.
I understand your point, but its too late for me to go back in change everything.

JK17
06-12-2007, 06:22 PM
ok...

1. Barry Sanders
2. Walter Payton
3. Bo Jackson
4. Emmitt Smith

I still don't understand...I'll assume you left out Jim Brown becasue you are going with the trend that he is a FB, but Bo Jackson on that list, as well as Emmit Smith? Good players, but certainly not better then Dickerson, Thurman Thomas, Earl Campbell, etc.

yourfavestoner
06-12-2007, 06:25 PM
I still don't understand...I'll assume you left out Jim Brown becasue you are going with the trend that he is a FB, but Bo Jackson on that list, as well as Emmit Smith? Good players, but certainly not better then Dickerson, Thurman Thomas, Earl Campbell, etc.

Earl Campbell doesn't get enough love on this site.

JK17
06-12-2007, 06:26 PM
Earl Campbell doesn't get enough love on this site.

Great RB...didn't include him in my top four, but still great player nonetheless.

neko4
06-12-2007, 08:25 PM
Hasnt been much action lately, i'll close voting till 1 PM est tommorow

Ewing
06-12-2007, 08:44 PM
HB
1. Barry Sanders
2. Walter Payton
3. Earl Campbell
4. Emmitt Smith

FB
1. Jim Brown
2. Larry Csonka
3. Jim Taylor
4. Larry Centers

I'm stunned Centers hasn't been mentioned yet, he's the best receiving running back of all-time. I realize I left Motley off the list but I just had to include Centers becuase nobody has mentioned him yet.

Severe Punishment
06-12-2007, 10:26 PM
HB
1. Sweetness
2. Barry Sanders
3. Gayle Sayers
4. Emmitt Smith

FB
1. Jim Brown
2. Larry Csonka
3. John Riggins
4. Mike Alstott

If Riggins doesn't count then put Alstott 3rd and Lo Neal 4th

keylime_5
06-12-2007, 10:29 PM
HB
1-Payton
2-Sanders
3-Smith
4-Sayers

FB
1-Brown
2-Mottley
3-Csonka
4-Riggins

Ewing
06-12-2007, 10:29 PM
HB
1. Sweetness
2. Barry Sanders
3. Gayle Sayers
4. Emmitt Smith

FB
1. Jim Brown
2. Larry Csonka
3. John Riggins
4. Mike Alstott

If Riggins doesn't count then put Alstott 3rd and Lo Neal 4th

How are you going to have Alstott ahead of Taylor or Centers?

Severe Punishment
06-12-2007, 10:34 PM
Larry Centers ??? are you kidding me ?? he was desperate to handle the ball more..which is why he didn't stay in and help pass block and was able to rack up so many catches.
Alstott can run, catch and plow over defenders..he can also pass block.

Ewing
06-12-2007, 10:42 PM
Larry Centers ??? are you kidding me ?? he was desperate to handle the ball more..which is why he didn't stay in and help pass block and was able to rack up so many catches.
Alstott can run, catch and plow over defenders..he can also pass block.

"In his 14 NFL seasons, Centers rushed for 2,188 yards, caught 826 passes for 6,797 yards, returned 5 punts for 30 yards, returned 33 kickoffs for 617 yards. and scored 42 touchdowns(14 rushing and 28 receiving). His 826 receptions are currently the most by any non-wide receiver in NFL history. Because the NFL fullbacks are now almost exclusively used as blockers, Centers may be remembered as one of the last fullbacks ever to be used as a ball carrier and receiver on a regular basis."

Severe Punishment
06-12-2007, 10:45 PM
and these stats are supposed to prove....

Dam8610
06-12-2007, 10:58 PM
QB:

1) Unitas



2) Marino
3) Favre
4) Elway
5) Montana
6) Manning
(I know it doesn't count, I just want to get it out there)

RB:

1) Walter Payton
2) Barry Sanders
3) Gale Sayers
4) Earl Campbell

FB:
1) Jim Brown
2) Jim Taylor
3) Larry Csonka
4) Joe Perry

Man_Of_Steel
06-12-2007, 11:05 PM
Gale Sayers
Barry Sanders
Walter Payton
Bo Jackson

Ewing
06-12-2007, 11:08 PM
Gale Sayers
Barry Sanders
Walter Payton
Bo Jackson

Bo Jackson ahead of Earl Campbell?

KCJ58
06-12-2007, 11:37 PM
Walter Peyton
Emmit Smith
Jim Brown
Barry Sanders

neko4
06-12-2007, 11:44 PM
Walter Peyton
Emmit Smith
Jim Brown
Barry Sanders

Brown counts as a FB

neko4
06-12-2007, 11:53 PM
TIE BREAKER RULES
Tie breakers for RB's/WR's/TE's
Avg (Rushing for RB's and Recievng for WR's) TD's a season. If both are within same # for example if LT is 11.5 and Emitt Smith is 11.6, then it is still a tie.

Next would be Avg. rushing or recieving yards a season.

Splat
06-13-2007, 09:25 AM
With Brown being a FB this is my list but it is so hard I change my mind every day.

1.Walter Payton
2.Barry Sanders
3.Eric Dickerson
4.LT

neko4
06-13-2007, 11:12 AM
With Brown being a FB this is me list but it is so hard I change my mind every day.

1.Walter Payton
2.Barry Sanders
3.Eric Dickerson
4.LT

FB voting is going on too

Splat
06-13-2007, 01:01 PM
FB voting is going on too

Brown duh.:cool:

Severe Punishment
06-13-2007, 01:30 PM
You might as well just put Jerry Rice in now for WR's.

VY10
06-13-2007, 01:52 PM
RB
1. Campbell (I love punishing runners.)
2. Sanders
3. Payton
4. LT

FB
1. Brown
2. Csonka
3. Taylor
4. Alstot!

devinhester=R.O.Y 2006
06-13-2007, 03:42 PM
Runnigbacks
1. Walter Payton
2. LaDanian Tomlinson
3. Jim Brown
4. Emmitt Smith

PackerLegend
06-13-2007, 03:46 PM
I will skip to DE and say Reggie White!

reese
06-13-2007, 06:30 PM
whats the score for rbs? is it almost over

Ewing
06-13-2007, 06:46 PM
Runnigbacks
1. Walter Payton
2. LaDanian Tomlinson
3. Jim Brown
4. Emmitt Smith

1. Learn to spell
2. Read the rules
3. LT ahead of Brown makes your opinion invalid

reese
06-13-2007, 06:49 PM
anyone that doesnt have barry sanders on there list does not watch football...there are very few opinions that cant be argued but to say he isnt AT LEAST in the top four of all time is down right blasphemy to the sport of football

neko4
06-13-2007, 07:43 PM
Runnigbacks
1. Walter Payton
2. LaDanian Tomlinson
3. Jim Brown
4. Emmitt Smith

Invalid, Brown is counted as a FB in this situation

Chief49er
06-13-2007, 07:44 PM
anyone that doesnt have barry sanders on there list does not watch football...there are very few opinions that cant be argued but to say he isnt AT LEAST in the top four of all time is down right blasphemy to the sport of football

agreed... Barry has to be top 3 no matter what.

neko4
06-13-2007, 07:50 PM
Updated and since things have been slow, it'll be when one of them reaches 50, both HB and FB stop

HB Race so far:
Payton- 46
Sanders- 46
Sayers- 15
Campbell- 9
LT- 8
E. Smith- 6
Dickerson- 4
Bo Jackson- 3
Hornung- 1
T. Davis- 1
OJ- 1


FB:
Jim Brown- 40
Csonka- 19
Taylor- 12
Motley- 6
Nagurski- 4
Riggins- 3
Alstott- 2
Neal- 2
Nevers- 1
Centers- 1
Perry- 1

broncs2bowl
06-13-2007, 07:51 PM
1) Barry Sanders
2) Walter Payton
3) Gale Sayers
4) Emmit Smith

neko4
06-13-2007, 07:52 PM
voting ends now for HB/FB

neko4
06-13-2007, 07:59 PM
WR Voting starts now, choose 8 instead of 4
1-Jerry Rice (8 points, 7 for 2nd, 6 for 3rd and so on)
2-Don Hutson
3-Cris Carter
4-Art Monk
5-Lance Alworth
6-Raymond Berry
7-Tim Brown
8-Marvin Harrison

keylime_5
06-13-2007, 08:11 PM
WR:
1-Jerry Rice
2-Cris Carter
3-Paul Warfield
4-Lance Alworth
5-Marvin Harrison
6-John Stallworth
7-Tim Brown
8-Don Hutson

doingthisinsteadofwork
06-13-2007, 08:16 PM
Fred Bilitnekoff.

JK17
06-13-2007, 08:19 PM
Okay well,
1. Jerry Rice
2. Cris Carter
3. Tim Brown
4. Don Hutson
5. Lance Alworth
6. Fred Biletnikoff
7. Raymond Berry
8. Michael Irvin

someone447
06-13-2007, 08:42 PM
1-Jerry Rice
2-Don Hutson
3-Cris Carter
4-Fred Biletnikoff
5-Lance Alworth
6-Raymond Berry
7-James Lofton
8-Marvin Harrison

reese
06-13-2007, 11:31 PM
i think my age keeps me out of this one...qbs and rbs are 1 thing but there are so many wrs goin back a long time..idk ill have to think

255979119
06-13-2007, 11:51 PM
I see no love for Largent.

yourfavestoner
06-14-2007, 12:39 AM
Tough to do eight as a lot of these guys are all on the same tier.

1. Jerry Rice
2. Don Hutson
3. Lance Alworth
4. Cris Carter
5. Steve Largent
6. Marvin Harrison
7. James Lofton
8. Fred Biletnikoff

Dam8610
06-14-2007, 01:47 AM
WR:

1) Jerry Rice
2) Cris Carter
3) Marvin Harrison
4) Don Huston
5) Lance Alworth
6) Steve Largent
7) Raymond Berry
8) Fred Biletnikoff

devinhester=R.O.Y 2006
06-14-2007, 10:54 AM
1. Learn to spell
2. Read the rules
3. LT ahead of Brown makes your opinion invalid

Yes arguing with me on my opinion. Way to go buddy. Im not even going to get into it with you.

devinhester=R.O.Y 2006
06-14-2007, 10:55 AM
Invalid, Brown is counted as a FB in this situation

My bad neko4.

Can I re-vote on the poll.

If so this is what I have.

1 - Walter Payton
2 - LaDanian Tomlinson
3 - Emmitt Smith
4 - Barry Sanders

neko4
06-14-2007, 11:29 AM
My bad neko4.

Can I re-vote on the poll.

If so this is what I have.

1 - Walter Payton
2 - LaDanian Tomlinson
3 - Emmitt Smith
4 - Barry Sanders
Sorry its a bit too late, WR's are up

neko4
06-14-2007, 11:33 AM
Updated as of 12:31 on my last day of school, June 14th
WR Race so far
Jerry Rice- 48
Cris Carter- 39
Don Hutson- 27
Lance Alworth- 27
Marvin Harrison- 15
Raymond Berry- 10
Tim Brown- 10
Fred Biletinikoff- 10
Steve Largent- 7
Paul Warfield- 6
Art Monk- 5
James Lofton- 4
John Stallworth-3
Michael Irvin- 1

Once Rice reaches 50 its over

KCJ58
06-14-2007, 11:34 AM
Jerry Rice
Don Hutson
Steve Largent
Tim Brown
Lance Alworth

neko4
06-14-2007, 11:35 AM
Jerry Rice
Don Hutson
Steve Largent
Tim Brown
Lance Alworth

3 more please, voting is closed now for WR's

KCJ58
06-14-2007, 11:41 AM
Are we doing TE's now?

keylime_5
06-14-2007, 12:11 PM
Well here's my TEs list for whenever we do that:

1-Kellen Winslow Sr.
2-Ozzie Newsome
3-John Mackey
4-Mike Ditka

Splat
06-14-2007, 12:43 PM
TE's

1.Tony Gonzalez
2.Kellen Winslow Sr.
3.Shannon Sharpe
4.Ozzie Newsome

islandboy843
06-14-2007, 12:47 PM
TE's

1.Tony Gonzalez
2.Kellen Winslow Sr.
3.Shannon Sharpe
4.Ozzie Newsome


Homerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Splat
06-14-2007, 12:48 PM
He is the best all around TE to ever step on the field homer or not it is true deal with it.

islandboy843
06-14-2007, 12:50 PM
He is the best all around TE to ever step on the field homer or not it is true deal with it.


LOL chill


Nice putting up Sharpe up there.

Severe Punishment
06-14-2007, 01:00 PM
1-Kellen Winslow Sr.
2-Ozzie Newsome
3-Shannon Sharpe
4-Mike Ditka

Ewing
06-14-2007, 01:01 PM
I missed the WR vote and I think neko should restart it because if you have the number one guy count for eight points then it's going to be over in 7 posts because everyone will choose Rice. It should be when two players reach 80 points in the WR vote.

Severe Punishment
06-14-2007, 01:09 PM
Totally agree...and as consistent as Carter was, was he so great that he took even 1 team "over the top" ????
Seriously as a dynamic game changing WR Randy Moss should be ranked higher as a WR who was a game changer or at least more dominant.
Carter's 100 TD "record" is like the consecutive games "record" Cal Ripken jr has...nice in it's on right but unless it translates to making your team better, who really cares ?

yourfavestoner
06-14-2007, 02:04 PM
TE:
1. Mike Ditka
2. Kellen Winslow Sr.
3. Ozzie Newsome
4. John Mackey

neko4
06-14-2007, 02:04 PM
I guess yall are right, WR votes are back open. TE ones are invalid for now. Once 2 reach 80 then I'll stop.

neko4
06-14-2007, 02:13 PM
Can anybody take care of it while im gone?

Furthermore until I get 3 more this vote is invalid
Jerry Rice
Don Hutson
Steve Largent
Tim Brown
Lance Alworth

Severe Punishment
06-14-2007, 03:14 PM
1) Jerry Rice
2) Don Hutson
3a) Steve Largent
3b) Tim Brown

Ewing
06-14-2007, 03:32 PM
1. Jerry Rice
2. Steve Largent
3. Marvin Harrison
4. Don Hutson
5. Cris Carter
6. Lance Alworth
7. Tim Brown
8. Lynn Swann

As far as pure talent goes Swann was probably the best of all-time he just didn't have the outstanding production or a long enough career like the other guys on the list. I guess you could call him the Gale Sayers of receivers. I realise I don't have Berry on the list but I feel Swann's incredible talent puts him ahead of Berry.

Splat
06-14-2007, 03:39 PM
1.Jerry Rice
2.Steve Largent
3.Marvin Harrison
4.Cris Carter

keylime_5
06-14-2007, 07:00 PM
1. Jerry Rice
2. Steve Largent
3. Marvin Harrison
4. Don Hutson
5. Cris Carter
6. Lance Alworth
7. Tim Brown
8. Lynn Swann

As far as pure talent goes Swann was probably the best of all-time he just didn't have the outstanding production or a long enough career like the other guys on the list. I guess you could call him the Gale Sayers of receivers. I realise I don't have Berry on the list but I feel Swann's incredible talent puts him ahead of Berry.

Swann was talented, but he is incredibly overrated today in the media and by Steelers fans. I don't see why he went into the HOF over some guys who were better and had better stats even.

neko4
06-14-2007, 10:35 PM
1.Jerry Rice
2.Steve Largent
3.Marvin Harrison
4.Cris Carter

1) Jerry Rice
2) Don Hutson
3a) Steve Largent
3b) Tim Brown

Once again 8

neko4
06-14-2007, 10:36 PM
Swann was talented, but he is incredibly overrated today in the media and by Steelers fans. I don't see why he went into the HOF over some guys who were better and had better stats even.

Which makes me wonder why Art Monk still isnt in the HOF, yet Irvin is

TACKLE
06-14-2007, 11:35 PM
1 - Tony Gonzalez
2 - Kellen Winslow Sr.
3 - Mike Ditka
4 - Shannon Sharpe

Phrost
06-14-2007, 11:42 PM
1. Rice
2. Carter
3. Largent
4. Jimmy Smith

Ewing
06-15-2007, 12:14 AM
1 - Tony Gonzalez
2 - Kellen Winslow Sr.
3 - Mike Ditka
4 - Shannon Sharpe

Learn to read.

Ewing
06-15-2007, 12:14 AM
1. Rice
2. Carter
3. Largent
4. Jimmy Smith

See my previous post for what you should do.