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49ersfan_87
06-17-2007, 02:51 PM
Its been about 3 years since that draft class. After all this time, what do you think about your teams draft class?

49ers draft class

1. Rashaun Woods, WR
2. Justin Smiley, OG
3. Shawntae Spencer, CB
4. Derrick Hamilton, WR
5. Isaac Sopoaga, DT
6. Richard Seigler, LB
7. Andy Lee, P
8. Keith Lewis, S
9. Cody Pickett, QB
10. Christian Ferrara, DT

-This was a crappy draft class for the 49ers...first they traded down from pick 16 to 31, twice. In that process they passed up superior talent like shawn andrews, vince wilfork, and chris gamble. All 3 are going to be good players while woods is already out of the league. Should have drafted the BPA over the need.

-Smiley is pretty decent. Ok run-blocker, good pass protector. Doesnt really fit the SF OL (mauling run blocking) and is more suited for a ZBS (think denver). Hopefully the 49ers can trade him and get some value for him.

-Shawntae Spencer was the next pick. He is very inconsistent. He was terrible the first half of the 2006 season, good the next half. He was coming off an injury from preseason, but im not sure if that was the culprit for his poor play. He played very well in the 2nd half of the season but right now hes competing for the #2 CB spot next to Clements.

-Derrick Hamilton was another big bust. What hurts is Bernard Berrian was drafted one spot after Hamilton. The 49ers could use Berrian who is a very good WR, instead of Hamilton who is also out of the league.

-Sopoaga is very strong but he has no technique as a 3-4 NT and is a longshot to make the roster. Granted its not his fault as hes more suited for a 4-3 DT but when we played in a 4-3 he wasnt that great either.

-Seigler is also out of the league and was literally arrested for being a pimp a short time back.

-Andy Lee was the best pick of the draft for SF, sadly. Was locked up to a long-term contract this offseason.

-Keith Lewis is a favorite of mine. Very aggressive physical safety who cant really cover well but was impressive in some games this season. Pretty good backup and brought some aggressiveness to the defense when he started.

-Pickett is in NFLE and is no longer product of the 49ers...i believe the texans have his rights.

-Ferrara is also out of the league..

All in all, it was a bad draft. Half the draft class is no longer with the team. 2 more members may not be on the roster come september. The best this draft may produce for the 49er is a nickelback, a good punter, and a backup safety. GM Terry Donahue was fired after the 04-05 season, and this draft class is evidence of how bad he was at drafting..

PS- Didn't think this would be so long!

Green Bay Scat
06-17-2007, 03:14 PM
that sucks lol...

skinzzfan25
06-17-2007, 03:15 PM
1. Sean Taylor, S, Miami - 5th overall
3. Chris Cooley, TE, Utah State - 81st overall
5. Mark Wilson, OT, California - 151st overall
6. Jim Molinaro, OT, Notre Dame - 180th overall

Sean Taylor - Potential to be the best safety in football. Needs pieces around him to excel. Physically there is no match to him.

Chris Cooley - Amazing value for a 3rd round selection. Top 10 TE in the NFL. Big, quick target and a fan favorite in Washington. We better lock him up ASAP.

Mark Wilson - On the Raiders' roster. Backup I assume.

Jim Molinaro - I remember he was on the Skins up untill this year. He was pretty solid but cut him over the offseason. Just picked up by the Cowboys.

draftguru151
06-17-2007, 03:20 PM
1. Vernon Carey
4. Will Poole
5. Tony Bua
6. Rex Hadnot
7. Tony Pape
7. Derrick Pope
UDFA- Wes Welker

Carey, after a rough start, did very well at RT last year and is making the move to LT this year. As of right now it's a very good pick, if he works at LT it's a fantastic pick.

Poole showed some promise but injuries derailed his career.

Bua had one of the most amazing special team hits I've seen, but never did anything else. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWw8mzrOtBg

Hadnot was a fantastic pick, played OG and C, playing OG this year where he is much more effective.

Pape was playing in Europe for a little and never did much.

Pope is another good late round pick, good back up MLB, seems like every time he starts he leads the team in tackles.

Welker was picked up as a FA, good returner/slot receiver, got a 2 and a 7 for him.

Ok draft considering the picks we had, 2 OL starters and a good back up MLB, as well as Welker.

Go_Eagles77
06-17-2007, 03:34 PM
1. Shawn Andrews OG - Awesome pick, one of the best OL in the league and is still very young, already has HOF potential.
3. Matt Ware CB/S - Looked like the steal of the draft at the time, never worked out for us unfortunately, currently on the cardinals roster.
4. J.R Reed S/KR - Looked very good as a KR his rookie season and even showed some talent at S, unfortunately got his leg torn up jumping over a fence being chased by a dog and he was never the same, not on the roster anymore, may be out of the league.
4. Trey Darilek OL - Hasn't been on the roster for a few years, was a below average backup, don't even know if he's in the league.
5. Thomas Tapeh FB - Currently our starting FB, solid but nothing special.
6. Andy Hall QB - Was a developmental QB and was cut last year I believe, couldn't even be a 3rd stringer.
6. Dexter Wynn CB - Was a solid PR but couldn't stay on the team, cut last year and I believe he's currently with the Texans
7. Adrien Clarke C/G - Was on the roster until last year, was a below average backup at G.
7. Bruce Perry RB - Looked promising, not on team anymore.
7. Domonic Furio C - Not on team anymore.

Pretty bad draft overall, Andrews is very good, and Tapeh is solid, but they are the only 2 that are still on the team, I give it a D-.

Pit Bull #53
06-17-2007, 03:38 PM
2. Ben Troupe
2. Travis LaBoy
2. Antwan Odom
3. Randy Starks
3. Rich Gardner
4. Bo Schobel
4. Michael Waddell
5. Jacob Bell
5. Rob Reynolds
6. Troy Fleming
7. Jared Clauss
7. Eugene Amano
7. Sean McHugh

Troupe started off slow, he had pretty good 2nd year, then had a bad year last year and was injured. Inconsistent and has mental lapses, but shows flashes. Ultimate tease.

LaBoy should be a 3rd down pass rusher. He wears down over the course of a game, doesn't play the run great, and gets hurt too much.

Odom flashes during preseason and early in the year, then fades and does nothing for the other 80% of the season.

Starks had a good rookie year, but has failed to progress, and in my opinion, he's regressed. He was terrible last year and got owned in the run game.

Rich Gardner was a special teamer that isn't on the team anymore.

Bo Schobel was injured all the time and is no longer on the team.

Michael Waddell was a very good special teamer. Amazing gunner on punt teams with his speed. Had a pretty serious knee injury last year, if he loses any speed, he's done. Not a good corner.

Jacob Bell was BY FAR the best pick. Very quality OG that can play OT in a pinch. Works perfect with Vince because of his movement ability. Very very good on pulls and getting to the 2nd level. Needs to get a lil stronger. Hopefully we lock him up.

Rob Reynolds is a STer.

Troy Fleming was terrible and is no longer on the team because of the man beast Ahmard Hall.

Jared Clauss was terrible and isn't on the team

Eugene Amano is our backup C/OG, and is supposed to be one of the strongest guys on the team. He's started a few games and always plays well. He could potentially be a future starter, or just be a solid backup interior guy.

Sean McHugh never made the team.

Pathetic draft overall. Jacob Bell is the only one worth a damn. The rest are backups/STers. There is still hope for Troupe since his season was derailed with injury, and possibly for Starks also.

Acreboy
06-17-2007, 03:45 PM
Saints

1.) Will Smith DE Ohio State
2.) Devery Henderson WR LSU
2.) Courtney Watson MLB Notre Dame
5.) Rodney Leisle NT UCLA
5.) Mike Karney AZ State
7.) Colby Bockwoldt OLB Brigham Young

Only solid pick is Will Smith, who at the time was a no brainer. When you have top 10 talent fall to you at 18 you're just happy. He was finally named starter last year and did very well Grant adds the pass rushing we need to go along side Charles Grant.

Devery is on the verge of being a bust. He did just enough last year to hold off of the label. He progressed significantly but still dropped way too many balls. Mike Karney is a solid FB and easily top 3 NFC, mayve top 5 NFL. Every other pick was a bust. Bockwoldt show'd flashes, but nothing major. Watson was playing out of position the entire time. He's a WLB, not MLB. Only players that remain on the team are Smith, Henderson, Karney and possibly Leisle (He may have gotten cut, idk).

All in all, we got us an All-Pro DE, and a field stretching WR, and top 5 FB.

C

JK17
06-17-2007, 03:50 PM
Okay well this was kinda a big year for SD...I'll do there's after the Eli trade, since that is what there draft class really was...

Round 1: (4) Philip Rivers
Round 2: (35) Igor Olshanksy
Round 3: (65) Nate Kaeding
Round 3: (66) Nick Hardwick
Round 4: (98) Shaun Phillips
Round 5: (133) Dave Ball
Round 5: (154) Michael Turner
Round 6: (169) Ryan Krause
Round 7: (204) Ryan Bigham
Round 7: (209) Shane Olivea
Round 7: (254) Carlos Joseph

The players bolded and itlalicized are the ones who are both starters and pro bowlers, which is 3 of them. The ones that are just bolded are currently starters or impact players in San Diego, which including the pro bowlers, is 7 of them.

That's a very impressive draft right there, and I'm not ashamed to brag about it. Not even considering the trade that netted Merriman and Oben as well, when you can draft 3 pro-bowlers in one year, six starters, and one impact backup with MT...its hard to do much better.

HoopsDemon12
06-17-2007, 04:43 PM
Okay well this was kinda a big year for SD...I'll do there's after the Eli trade, since that is what there draft class really was...

Round 1: (4) Philip Rivers
Round 2: (35) Igor Olshanksy
Round 3: (65) Nate Kaeding
Round 3: (66) Nick Hardwick
Round 4: (98) Shaun Phillips
Round 5: (133) Dave Ball
Round 5: (154) Michael Turner
Round 6: (169) Ryan Krause
Round 7: (204) Ryan Bigham
Round 7: (209) Shane Olivea
Round 7: (254) Carlos Joseph

The players bolded and itlalicized are the ones who are both starters and pro bowlers, which is 3 of them. The ones that are just bolded are currently starters or impact players in San Diego, which including the pro bowlers, is 7 of them.

That's a very impressive draft right there, and I'm not ashamed to brag about it. Not even considering the trade that netted Merriman and Oben as well, when you can draft 3 pro-bowlers in one year, six starters, and one impact backup with MT...its hard to do much better.

chargers did very well for themselves... where as the niners... well... http://www.mondotees.com/ProductImages/MrT2.jpg

Green Bay Scat
06-17-2007, 04:46 PM
1 25 Ahmad Carroll CB Arkansas
3 70 Joey Thomas CB Montana State
3 72 Donnell Washington DT Clemson
3 87 B.J. Sander P Ohio State
6 179 Corey Williams DT Arkansas State
7 251 Scott Wells C Tennessee

enough said, it was horrible, we only have Wells and Williams on the team lol

Th3Claytonator
06-17-2007, 05:57 PM
Round 1: Michael Clayton
Round 3: Marquis Cooper
Round 4: Will Allen
Round 5: Jeb Terry
Round 6: Nate Lawrie
Round 7: Mark Jones
Round 7: Casey Cramer
Round 7: Lenny Williams

The bolded players still are on the team and the unbolded players were busts or failures.

Now, for me to rate the players that are still on the team.

Round 1: Michael Clayton had an outstanding rookie year in the NFL with 80 catches, 1193 yards, and 7 touchdowns. However, since then, he has been injured and has been a bust. I still believe he has a chance to pan out to be a decent receiver but not much more.

Round 4: Will Allen was our starting safety in 2005-2006 but, except for a few plays, he was all flash and no substance. In this past draft, we drafted two safeties pretty early proving how well Allen has played in our system.

Round 5: Jeb Terry provides good depth at the guard positions and not much more.

Round 7: Probably the best pick in the draft for us, Mark Jones has been an outstanding punt returner for the Buccaneers by averaging over 10 yards per punt return in 2005. He is a great asset to our football team.


Overall, the Buccaneers got a potentially decent receiver, an average safety, offensive line depth, and a punt returner from this draft.

D

keylime_5
06-17-2007, 06:22 PM
Great great draft for the 49ers. Shane Olivea is a really good RT, and he's probably the 6th or 7th player drafted in 2004 by them. Wow.

For the Browns:

RD1-Kellen Winslow-TE
RD2-Sean Jones-S
RD4-Luke McCown-QB
RD5-Amon Gordon-DT
RD6-Kirk Chambers-OT
RD7-Adimchinobe Echemandu-RB

Butch Davis was a crappy drafter, but he managed to draft two guys who had better seasons than some pro bowlers last year, but were left off simply b/c the Browns suck.

Winslow will be considered the best TE in the NFL a couple years from now even though he missed his first 2 years; he's already among the top 3 in the league with Gonzalez and Gates only being better. Sean Jones had his breakout year in 06 and is one of the best safeties in the AFC already. Two great great players there. McCown was a crappy pick, he's now in Tampa preparing to be cut. Gordon is in Denver doing the same, as is Echemandu in Oakland, and Chambers in New York (AFC) I think. Great first day, really really lame second day for us.

Don Vito
06-17-2007, 06:28 PM
Patriots
1. Vince Wilfork DT Miami
1. Ben Watson TE UGA
2. Marquise Hill DE LSU
3. Guss Scott SS Florida
4. Dexter Reid FS.SS UNC
4. Cedric Cobbs RB Arkansas
5. PK Sam WR FSU
7. Christian Morton CB Illinois


-Wilfork was considered by many a top 10 talent, but didn't have a great final season at the U. Is EXTREMELY talented. This year he established himself as a great player on a consistent basis last year, commanding a double team on almost every play.
-Watson is a physical specimen who ran a 4.44 40 at 6-3 255 coming out of UGA. He has shown flashes, but he hasn't been a dominant force on a consistent basis yet. Didn't break out as expected in 2006, may not have as many chances in '07 with tons of new targets for Brady.
-Marquise Hill never did much on the field for the Pats, he passed away a few weeks ago. RIP.
-Guss Scott got opporitunities to play early due to injuries and did OK for a young player thrown into the fire. Was a great conributor on special teams as well. He is now with the Jets.
-Dexter Reid had a similar situation as Scott, he played as a rookie and suprised a lot of people. Was solid on special teams too. I really liked Reid, I was dissappointed to see him go. He is now a Colt.
-Cedric Cobbs was a RB with loads of potential who kept getting hurt in college and then the pros. He never got to flash his potential wit the Pats. He was with the Broncos, not sure where he is now.
-PK Sam was regarded as a sleeper and at one point some saw him as a 2nd rounder, but he did nothing, didn't even make it out of pre-season in a Pats uniform I believe. Now with Miami.
-Chrisitian Morton contributed on special teams as a returner and cover man, but he didn't fit into the Pats plans. Never saw the field as a DB, even when we were depleted in the secondary. Now with the Panthers.

We got 2 solid 1st rounders in Wilfork and Watson, but other than that this was one of our least productive drafts over the last 5 seasons. Watson and Wilfork are the only 2 players on the team. I give it a C-, and it would've been a lot lower if not for Watson and Wilfork.

Philliez01
06-17-2007, 06:29 PM
Indianapolis Colts

Round 2 (#44)-Bob Sanders-SS
Round 3 (#68)-Ben Hartsock-TE
Round 3 (#69)-Gilbert Gardner-LB
Round 4 (#107)-Kendyll Pope-LB
Round 4 (#125)-Jason David-CB
Round 5 (#141)-Jake Scott-OG
Round 6 (#173)-Von Hutchins-CB
Round 6 (#191)-Jim Sorgi-QB
Round 7 (#229)-David Kimball-PK

UDFA: Ben Utecht-TE

Bob Sanders has been an electric member of the defense, one could say he is the defense. He is a presence on/off the field (I felt cool, in the right way, not the old-NFLDC way when I saw him at TC) and has even been able to get a clutch INT at certain intervals. Truly a star. One problem? Due to his minor frame and big hit ability, he tends to hurt himself when he hits someone which is often. Good pick by Polian and Co.

Ben Hartsock really wasn't a good pick at the time as Pollard and Clark were both in town. He caught about 4 or 5 passes with Indy for two seasons but did get a few clutch First Downs for Tennessee this year (though only got 6 catches). A wasted pick.

Gilbert Gardner had some spot starts and looked OK until he started last season. Absolutely dreadful and contributed to the league's worst-ranked run defense in the NFL. The Titans ALSO got him via waivers this offseason though hopefully (for their fans) he never starts for them.

Kendyll Pope looked to be a stud in future years but a series of positive drug tests effectively ended his NFL career.

Jason David had a good rookie season with a team-high 4 INTs (tied with Nick Harper---also of the Titans) but degressed in 2005. In 2006, his scrappy play on the field actually impressed me and impressed the Saints brass enough to give him a 4-year tender that the Colts didn't sign this season. A good #2 CB.

Jake Scott has been an OK pass blocker for the Colts and has improved in running situations. Still gets "happy feet" and jumps offsides from time to time but he is a dependable starter. Nothing good or bad. I expect him to be gone next season and Dylan Gandy to start.

The Colts really got the most they could out of Von Hutchins. He did what he was asked to do and I actually grew to like him. He's on Houston now and will probably remain a ST performer but he did have one memorable Pick 6.

Jim Sorgi was the catalyst for the Colts 2007 Super Bowl run.

David Kimball was supposed to be a potential kickoff specialist but never materialized and didn't last with NYG or OAK. Was in NFLE last season but hasn't done much since.

Ben Utecht was a good little steal in the UDFA signing period. I really like him, moreso than others, but he tends to drop the ball on contact often and has been hurt a few times. At one point was a potential Day One pick but due to a hernia, slid to the UD ranks.

DRAFT GRADE: C-

JF4
06-17-2007, 06:33 PM
1 25 Ahmad Carroll CB Arkansas
3 70 Joey Thomas CB Montana State
3 72 Donnell Washington DT Clemson
3 87 B.J. Sander P Ohio State
6 179 Corey Williams DT Arkansas State
7 251 Scott Wells C Tennessee

enough said, it was horrible, we only have Wells and Williams on the team lol

Yikes thats a bad draft class. Ironically the two best players from that were picked in the 6th and 7th.

-black
06-17-2007, 06:42 PM
Patriots
1. Vince Wilfork DT Miami
1. Ben Watson TE UGA
2. Marquise Hill DE LSU
3. Guss Scott SS Florida
4. Dexter Reid FS.SS UNC
4. Cedric Cobbs RB Arkansas
5. PK Sam WR FSU
7. Christian Morton CB Illinois


-Wilfork was considered by many a top 10 talent, but didn't have a great final season at the U. Is EXTREMELY talented. This year he established himself as a great player on a consistent basis last year, commanding a double team on almost every play.
-Watson is a physical specimen who ran a 4.44 40 at 6-3 255 coming out of UGA. He has shown flashes, but he hasn't been a dominant force on a consistent basis yet. Didn't break out as expected in 2006, may not have as many chances in '07 with tons of new targets for Brady.
-Marquise Hill never did much on the field for the Pats, he passed away a few weeks ago. RIP.
-Guss Scott got opporitunities to play early due to injuries and did OK for a young player thrown into the fire. Was a great conributor on special teams as well. He is now with the Jets.
-Dexter Reid had a similar situation as Scott, he played as a rookie and suprised a lot of people. Was solid on special teams too. I really liked Reid, I was dissappointed to see him go. He is now a Colt.
-Cedric Cobbs was a RB with loads of potential who kept getting hurt in college and then the pros. He never got to flash his potential wit the Pats. He was with the Broncos, not sure where he is now.
-PK Sam was regarded as a sleeper and at one point some saw him as a 2nd rounder, but he did nothing, didn't even make it out of pre-season in a Pats uniform I believe. Now with Miami.
-Chrisitian Morton contributed on special teams as a returner and cover man, but he didn't fit into the Pats plans. Never saw the field as a DB, even when we were depleted in the secondary. Now with the Panthers.

We got 2 solid 1st rounders in Wilfork and Watson, but other than that this was one of our least productive drafts over the last 5 seasons. Watson and Wilfork are the only 2 players on the team. I give it a C-, and it would've been a lot lower if not for Watson and Wilfork.



LMAO!......

Don Vito
06-17-2007, 06:43 PM
black i hope youre laughing at the same thing i am-

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WKknaWEln9w

M.O.T.H.
06-17-2007, 06:52 PM
black i hope youre laughing at the same thing i am-

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WKknaWEln9w

That never gets old....gotta love the Lydell Ross one back in the day, also.

Green Bay Scat
06-17-2007, 06:52 PM
I like the Dwayne SLay one, now thats classic...

Phrost
06-17-2007, 07:03 PM
I feel sorry for Cooley and Sean Taylor playing for such bad franchises.

yourfavestoner
06-17-2007, 07:21 PM
Jacksonville Jaguars:
1. Reggie Williams, WR
2. Daryl Smith, LB
2. Greg Jones, RB
3. Jorge Cordova, LB/DE
4. Anthony Maddox, DT
4. Ernest Wilford, WR
5. Josh Scobee, K
5. Chris Thompson, CB
5. Sean Bubin, OT
7. Bobby McCray, DE

1. Reggie Williams - It's unlikely that he'll ever develop into a number one receiver and live up to being the ninth pick of the draft. However, he was on his way to a breakout season last year until Byron Leftwich got injured and is the most consistent receiver on the team (although that's not saying much at this point).
2. Daryl Smith - Hasn't been lights out, but has been a solid and dependable starter at OLB since his rookie year. He's a natural ILB, though, and played exceptional at that spot when Mike Peterson went down last year.
2. Greg Jones - Would undoubtedly be the most talented back on the Jaguars roster if not for injuries. He had finally regained the explosiveness he showed in college last training camp and many thought he was going to steal the starting job from Fred Taylor until he suffered his second torn ACL in a preseason game against the Bucs. He'll be the Jaguars starting fullback this season, but he'll also get plenty of carries from the tailback position. We'll see what happens a year from now, as Fred Taylor will likely be getting phased out of the offense, and Jones should be fully recovered from his second ACL tear.
3. Jorge Cordova - Tore his ACL in his rookie training camp and was held out for a second year while he was still rehabbing. Has yet to see any significant playing time and will probably be cut this season in favor of younger pass rushers Brent Hawkins and Brian Smith.
4. Anthony Maddox - Buried on the depth chart, was cut, and is no longer in the league (I believe).
4. Ernest Wilford - Had some big plays his rookie season but was limited by his low ceiling. It's also not good to have inconsistent hands when you're a big, slow possession receiver. Will likely be the odd man out in the wide receiver battle this offseason. Shouldn't have too many problems finding a spot with another team, though.
5. Josh Scobee - Inconsistent his first few seasons, but the team stuck with him because of his huge leg and potential. It worked out nicely for them, as he has developed into a nice, young kicker.
5. Chris Thompson - Never got significant playing time. Cut by the team and is now a reserve in Miami.
5. Sean Bubin - Cut and is now with the Patriots.
7. Bobby McCray - Will turn out to be the steal of this draft. Was used as a situational pass rusher his first two seasons as the team developed him and let him gain some weight. Started twelve games last year as Reggie Hayward's replacement and racked up ten sacks. Needs to improve against the run, though.

Phrost
06-17-2007, 07:28 PM
Favestoner, how good is that one white receiver doing? I cant remember his name.

Don Vito
06-17-2007, 07:31 PM
Favestoner, how good is that one white receiver doing? I cant remember his name.

Matt Jones? You don't need to be a Jags fan to know he has been somewhat of a dissappoinment.

skinzzfan25
06-17-2007, 07:34 PM
I feel sorry for Cooley and Sean Taylor playing for such bad franchises.

Feel worse for LeBron being stuck in Cleveland.

He'll be the next Garnett, stuck in his team for a decade without anybody to help him.

CC.SD
06-17-2007, 07:43 PM
Feel worse for LeBron being stuck in Cleveland.

He'll be the next Garnett, stuck in his team for a decade without anybody to help him.

I hear Garnett will be a Sun before the season opens, so he'll get a happy ending at least.

BTW Charger's 2004 draft > everyone else

someone447
06-17-2007, 07:43 PM
1 25 Ahmad Carroll CB Arkansas
3 70 Joey Thomas CB Montana State
3 72 Donnell Washington DT Clemson
3 87 B.J. Sander P Ohio State
6 179 Corey Williams DT Arkansas State
7 251 Scott Wells C Tennessee

enough said, it was horrible, we only have Wells and Williams on the team lol

This could explain why:
http://tarapfeifer.com/albums/stuff/mike_sherman_sleeping.jpeg

BuckNaked
06-17-2007, 07:51 PM
1. Kenechi Udeze
2. Dontarrious Thomas
3. Darrion Scott
4. Nat Dorsey
4. Mewelde Moore
5. Rod Davis
6. Deandre Eiland
7. Jeff Dugan


Overall, a fairly poor draft. Udeze has been a disappointment as a first round draft selection, not getting near the amount of sacks as he was expected. Thomas has also been a big disappointment. Scott is very good at stopping the run from the defensive end position. He started for us some last year and is a very good situational player. Dorsey didn't exactly pan out with the Vikings and is now a backup on Cleveland. Mewelde Moore is a good backup runningback and is a good reciever out of the backfield. Davis hasn't been much more than a special teamer. Eiland hasn't amounted to anything. Dugan is a mediocre backup FB/TE.

'cuse-213
06-17-2007, 07:53 PM
1 12 Jonathan Vilma MLB Miami- Pro Bowler
3 76 Derrick Strait SS Oklahoma- Bust
4 108 Jerricho Cotchery WR North Carolina State- Soon to be Pro Bowler
4 132 Adrian Jones T Kansas- Started one year, good backup
5 143 Erik Coleman SS Washington State- Starter
6 178 Marko Cavka T Sacramento State- Backup, possible starter in future?
7 213 Darrell McClover OLB Miami- Cut
7 234 Trevor Johnson DE Nebraska- Cut
7 235 Derrick Ward RB Ottawa, Kan.- Cut, picked up by Giants
7 236 Rashad Washington FS Kansas State- Good special teamer

NIN1984
06-17-2007, 08:53 PM
1. Robert Gallery OT- Many would call him a bust, this will be he's last season to prove himself to Raider fans.

2. Jake Grove C- Same as Gallery, both are good fits for the ZBS so if they don’t play like they should they won’t be around much longer.

3. Stuart Schweigert FS- Has now started 2 years in a row and is the leader of the #1 secondary in the NFL.

4. Carlos Farncis WR- Still on the team but never plays.

5. Johnnie Morant WR- Has always looked good in pre-season, but disappointed during the regular season, but who didn’t last season for the Raiders.

6. Cody Spencer ILB- Don't think he ever made the team

7. Courtney Anderson TE- Was never very good, Raiders drafted Zach Miller in the 2nd this year to replace him. In fact Raiders were trying to trade Anderson this off-season.

7. Andre Sommersell OLB- Never made the team.

Overall- Pretty bad draft

Sniper
06-17-2007, 10:12 PM
Indianapolis Colts

Round 2 (#44)-Bob Sanders-SS
Round 3 (#68)-Ben Hartsock-TE
Round 3 (#69)-Gilbert Gardner-LB
Round 4 (#107)-Kendyll Pope-LB
Round 4 (#125)-Jason David-CB
Round 5 (#141)-Jake Scott-OG
Round 6 (#173)-Von Hutchins-CB
Round 6 (#191)-Jim Sorgi-QB
Round 7 (#229)-David Kimball-PK

UDFA: Ben Utecht-TE

Bob Sanders has been an electric member of the defense, one could say he is the defense. He is a presence on/off the field (I felt cool, in the right way, not the old-NFLDC way when I saw him at TC) and has even been able to get a clutch INT at certain intervals. Truly a star. One problem? Due to his minor frame and big hit ability, he tends to hurt himself when he hits someone which is often. Good pick by Polian and Co.

Ben Hartsock really wasn't a good pick at the time as Pollard and Clark were both in town. He caught about 4 or 5 passes with Indy for two seasons but did get a few clutch First Downs for Tennessee this year (though only got 6 catches). A wasted pick.

Gilbert Gardner had some spot starts and looked OK until he started last season. Absolutely dreadful and contributed to the league's worst-ranked run defense in the NFL. The Titans ALSO got him via waivers this offseason though hopefully (for their fans) he never starts for them.

Kendyll Pope looked to be a stud in future years but a series of positive drug tests effectively ended his NFL career.

Jason David had a good rookie season with a team-high 4 INTs (tied with Nick Harper---also of the Titans) but degressed in 2005. In 2006, his scrappy play on the field actually impressed me and impressed the Saints brass enough to give him a 4-year tender that the Colts didn't sign this season. A good #2 CB.

Jake Scott has been an OK pass blocker for the Colts and has improved in running situations. Still gets "happy feet" and jumps offsides from time to time but he is a dependable starter. Nothing good or bad. I expect him to be gone next season and Dylan Gandy to start.

The Colts really got the most they could out of Von Hutchins. He did what he was asked to do and I actually grew to like him. He's on Houston now and will probably remain a ST performer but he did have one memorable Pick 6.

Jim Sorgi was the catalyst for the Colts 2007 Super Bowl run.

David Kimball was supposed to be a potential kickoff specialist but never materialized and didn't last with NYG or OAK. Was in NFLE last season but hasn't done much since.

Ben Utecht was a good little steal in the UDFA signing period. I really like him, moreso than others, but he tends to drop the ball on contact often and has been hurt a few times. At one point was a potential Day One pick but due to a hernia, slid to the UD ranks.

DRAFT GRADE: C-

How dare you give the Colts a C- for that draft?!?!?!? Jim Sorgi was in that draft, that right there guarantees you an A+!

princefielder28
06-17-2007, 10:39 PM
1 25 Ahmad Carroll CB Arkansas
3 70 Joey Thomas CB Montana State
3 72 Donnell Washington DT Clemson
3 87 B.J. Sander P Ohio State
6 179 Corey Williams DT Arkansas State
7 251 Scott Wells C Tennessee

enough said, it was horrible, we only have Wells and Williams on the team lol

That was down right terrible!!!!

jbeans187
06-17-2007, 10:51 PM
26 Steven Jackson RB Oregon State - 2nd best rb in the nfl
91 Tony Hargrove DE Georgia Tech - I always liked him but i think he had a fall out with the coaches, great athlete with a lot of potential, on the bills
130 Brandon Chillar LB UCLA - Has a chance to start this year
158 Jason Shivers S Arizona State - Not in league
201 Jeff Smoker QB Michigan State - Not in league
237 Erik Jensen TE Iowa - Not in league
238 Larry Turner OT Eastern Kentucky - Has potential to make a team, but i dont think he is on one this season

Pretty sad draft class, one stud and a potential starter is all that remains

dware_94
06-18-2007, 02:15 AM
traded our 22 pick when we were in position to draft Steven Jackson :mad:

43 Julius Jones RB Notre Dame - decent but not even the best RB on the team
52 Jacob Rogers OL Southern California - Bust
83 Stephen Peterman OL LSU - Not on team
121 Bruce Thornton CB Georgia - Not on team
144 Sean Ryan TE Boston College - Not on team
205 Nathan Jones CB Rutgers - Backup ST
216 Patrick Crayton WR Northwestern Oklahoma State - Great Pick...3rd WR
233 Jacques Reeves CB Purdue - Backup ST

kmartin575
06-18-2007, 03:10 AM
26 Steven Jackson RB Oregon State - 2nd best rb in the nfl
91 Tony Hargrove DE Georgia Tech - I always liked him but i think he had a fall out with the coaches, great athlete with a lot of potential, on the bills
130 Brandon Chillar LB UCLA - Has a chance to start this year
158 Jason Shivers S Arizona State - Not in league
201 Jeff Smoker QB Michigan State - Not in league
237 Erik Jensen TE Iowa - Not in league
238 Larry Turner OT Eastern Kentucky - Has potential to make a team, but i dont think he is on one this season

Pretty sad draft class, one stud and a potential starter is all that remains


2nd best back in the NFL? Thanks for the laugh.

StaticGator
06-18-2007, 08:08 AM
Tampa Bay

Round 1: Michael Clayton: Good rookie season then fell off the map. Everyone and their mother thought the Bucs should have taken Steven Jackson and three years later it sure looks like they should have, considering they used the #5 pick in the 2005 draft on a running back.

Round 3: Marquis Cooper: Classic workout warrior with no head for the game. I screamed when they drafted a third round outside linebacker and he wasn't named DeMorrio Williams, who will never make a pro bowl, but he still has 273 tackles in his career compared to Cooper's 25.

Round 4: Will Allen: Decent pick for a 4th rounder, especially considering how bad Cooper was, but the Bucs just drafted two more safeties so his future with the Bucs is probably limited.

Round 5: Jeb Terry: Backup level guard. That may mean something on a team like the Eages but if you can't start for the Bucs' line, you stink. Supposedly they scouted him to long snap so with the retirement of Dave Moore, we'll see if he catches on with that.

Round 6: Nate Lawrie: Didn't stick with the Bucs but I believe he is still in the league.

Round 7: Mark Jones: Had a few nice punt returns during the team's 2005 playoff run.

Round 7: Casey Cramer: Who cares.

Round 7: Lenny Williams: Who cares.

Result: Another reason the team went 4-12 last season and is 27-37 in the last four years.

Caddy
06-18-2007, 08:21 AM
2nd best back in the NFL? Thanks for the laugh.

I actually think Jackson could easily warrant that position.

ricky bobby
06-18-2007, 08:54 AM
New York Giants

1. Eli Manning - QB - Hasn't lived up to his billing quite yet. Has started out strong the last two season, but has really cooled off when it really matter, during the second half. Some of it can be due to poor WR play, and a lot of it can be attributed to a horrible Offensive coordinator. Managment suggested that Coughlin fire Hufnagel after the '05 season, but Coughlin elected not too. After another horrible season in '06, the Giants finally got rid of Hufnagel. The Giants have not given up on Eli, and have accepted an option that will keep him a Giant for 2 extra years, and make him one of the top 50 highest paid athletes. Have no doubt, he is our QB of the future. With more weapons this year, I expect Eli to make his first Pro Bowl.
Grade: B- (considering what we gave up for him)

2. Chris Snee - OG - Many people criticized this pick because Snee was Coughlin's son in law, and thought that he was just playing favorites. Little did those critics know that Snee would turn out to be the Giants best offensive lineman 3 years later. He's an absolute mauler and can move very well. Many people believe he should have been a pro bowler the past two seasons.
Grade: A+

4. Reggie Torbor - OLB - Started two years as our SLB, then was replaced by Lavar Arrington last season. Still on the team, but is not a starter. Solid backup with experience incase we have to go back to him. Probably would have had more success as a OLB in a 3-4 defense.
Grade: B-

5. Gibril Wilson - SS - When our starting safety got injured, Wilson started as a rookie. He came out on fire recording 3 INTs in three games. Has been a staple in our defense ever since. Very tough and aggressive safety despite being only 6' 200. Loves to play inside the box. Recieved a 2nd round tender this offseason and has been retained by our team. He has been a victim of poor CB play, which has made him look bad at times. I expect our new defensvie coordinator, who came from the Eagles, to make Gibril into a playmaker similar to Brian Dawkins, but not quite that good.
Grade: A+

6. Jamaar Taylor - WR - Speedy WR who had his best game against the Eagles, burning them for two 50 yard catches in one game. Had leg injury issues and was forced to retire at the age of 25.
Grade: C+

7. Drew Stojny - OT - Did not pan out for the Giants.
Grade: F

7. Isaac Hilton - DE - Did not pan out for the Giants.
Grade: F

JK17
06-18-2007, 09:02 AM
2nd best back in the NFL? Thanks for the laugh.

Yeah, there's no debate at all over the #2 position, your right....

I take Steven Jackson over Larry Johnson, and I'm not the only one. Steven Jackson can do more things then LJ can, he has less attitude, and isn't as dependant on his O-Line, like LJ was during his amazing season.

Obviously the two are debatable, so for you to laugh at someone calling Steven Jackson the 2nd best RB is fairly dumb.

Bearsfan123
06-18-2007, 09:27 AM
1:14 Tommie Harris-A pro-bowler. He was off to a great start last season but it got cut short due to a hamstring tear i believe. The bad news is he missed the playoffs, the good news is that the doctors say he can fully recover without risk of it becoming easily reinjured.

2:47 Tank Johnson- A guy who when he plays does a good job penetrating into the backfield and helps putting pressure on the offense. Sadly he has legal troubles and is suspended for half the season. If he does not clean his act up he will not be playing for the bears for much longer.

3:78 Bernard Berrian- Our speed threat. He came on last year and if not for Grossman's eratic play probably made the pro-bowl. He is a great deep threat that can run behind defenses and is developing into a very good overall receiver. (an interesting note, since he has such a skinny frame, our strength and conditioning coach has him do the linebacker workouts to make him more muscled)

4:110 Nathan Vasher- The "Interceptor". I am not as high on him as most are. I think he is a good to very good corner but hes not pro-bowl level even tho he did go to one. Out of our two corners i think he will be the one let go.

4:112 Leon Joe-Is a backup linebacker who will never be anything more than that. But he still is on the team.

5:147 Claude Harriot DE-Not on team and i dont even remember him.

5:148 Craig Krenzel-He played in a couple games 3 yrs ago. Did bad, like really bad. No longer with the squad.

7:215 Alfonso Marshall-I believe he showed promise before getting injured, but now thats over.

Grade: A- to A The Bears hit with their first 5 picks, producing a pro-bowl DT a problematic DT, a solid #1 receiver, a very good corner, and a backup lber.

theogt
06-18-2007, 10:00 AM
1. Sean Taylor, S, Miami - 5th overall
3. Chris Cooley, TE, Utah State - 81st overall
5. Mark Wilson, OT, California - 151st overall
6. Jim Molinaro, OT, Notre Dame - 180th overall

Sean Taylor - Potential to be the best safety in football. Needs pieces around him to excel. Physically there is no match to him.

Chris Cooley - Amazing value for a 3rd round selection. Top 10 TE in the NFL. Big, quick target and a fan favorite in Washington. We better lock him up ASAP.

Mark Wilson - On the Raiders' roster. Backup I assume.

Jim Molinaro - I remember he was on the Skins up untill this year. He was pretty solid but cut him over the offseason. Just picked up by the Cowboys.Interesting take considering he was one of the worst safeties in football in '06.

theogt
06-18-2007, 10:07 AM
2 Julius Jones RB Notre Dame -- Decent for a second rounder. He's in his contract year and is without the domineering Bill Parcells so it'll be interesting to see how he performs. B+

2 52 Jacob Rogers T Southern California -- Horrible pick all around. D

3 83 Stephen Peterman G Louisiana State -- Didn't work out here, but he's starting elsewhere. It usually takes linemen several years to pan out, so the jury is still out. B-

4 121 Bruce Thornton CB Georgia -- Horrible pick. C

5 144 Sean Ryan TE Boston College -- Hung around for a little while, but was traded for a draft choice. B-

7 205 Nathan Jones CB Rutgers -- Still on the roster as a solid backup. B+

7 216 Patrick Crayton WR N.W. Oklahoma -- One of the top 3rd receivers in the league. Truly amazing pick. A+

7 223 Jacques Reeves CB Purdue -- Ditt with Nathan Jones. B+

theogt
06-18-2007, 10:10 AM
2nd best back in the NFL? Thanks for the laugh.

I actually think Jackson could easily warrant that position.

Yeah, there's no debate at all over the #2 position, your right....

I take Steven Jackson over Larry Johnson, and I'm not the only one. Steven Jackson can do more things then LJ can, he has less attitude, and isn't as dependant on his O-Line, like LJ was during his amazing season.

Obviously the two are debatable, so for you to laugh at someone calling Steven Jackson the 2nd best RB is fairly dumb.I would take Steven Jackson over LJ any day of the week.

keylime_5
06-18-2007, 10:34 AM
Feel worse for LeBron being stuck in Cleveland.

He'll be the next Garnett, stuck in his team for a decade without anybody to help him.

Gimme a break. LeBron just made it to the finals. I say that the Cavs are an offensive assistant and a point guard away from dominating the E.Conference yearly and winning multiple titles. Garnett never even got far in the playoffs ever.


....And Steven Jackson is the 2nd best back in the league. I remember before the 2004 draft I was like "why isn't Jackson considered a top 10 pick?"

JETS5128
06-18-2007, 10:36 AM
1 12 Jonathan Vilma MLB Miami- Pro Bowler
3 76 Derrick Strait SS Oklahoma- Bust
4 108 Jerricho Cotchery WR North Carolina State- Soon to be Pro Bowler
4 132 Adrian Jones T Kansas- Started one year, good backup
5 143 Erik Coleman SS Washington State- Starter
6 178 Marko Cavka T Sacramento State- Backup, possible starter in future?
7 213 Darrell McClover OLB Miami- Cut
7 234 Trevor Johnson DE Nebraska- Cut
7 235 Derrick Ward RB Ottawa, Kan.- Cut, picked up by Giants
7 236 Rashad Washington FS Kansas State- Good special teamer

Sick draft, 3 starters and potential pro bowlers, a solid Tackle and a good special teamer.

A-

LSUALUM99
06-18-2007, 10:40 AM
I actually prefer this Greg Jones Video...simply because he TRUCKS Sean Taylor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NiwGp1TM5k&NR=1

OhioState
06-18-2007, 11:22 AM
If Steven Jackson isn't the second best who is? The man is an absolute TANK!!

draftguru151
06-18-2007, 11:25 AM
Probably Larry Johnson.

Geo
06-18-2007, 11:27 AM
Matt Jones? You don't need to be a Jags fan to know he has been somewhat of a dissappoinment.
Shack Harris must have been lighting up with yfs on 2005 Draft day.

YAYareaRB
06-18-2007, 11:50 AM
I actually prefer this Greg Jones Video...simply because he TRUCKS Sean Taylor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NiwGp1TM5k&NR=1

Then look at the other 3 videos where Taylor destroys everyone else

jbeans187
06-18-2007, 12:03 PM
I actually prefer this Greg Jones Video...simply because he TRUCKS Sean Taylor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NiwGp1TM5k&NR=1

I like how Taylor popped right back up, and tried to chase him down, Dexter Reid didnt do that. Hes not one of the worst safties, hes not the best at covering but he is an intimidating presence that racks up tackles.

Im glad Steven Jackson is getting some respect, the reason i think hes better than LJ is hes more of a complete player out of the backfield. Led the league in total yards from scrimmage

yourfavestoner
06-18-2007, 12:14 PM
Shack Harris must have been lighting up with yfs on 2005 Draft day.

I actually punched a wall the moment Tagliabue announced that we had picked Jones. Especially because I was watching with my good friend, and we were both talking earlier about which team would be dumb enough to reach on him before the third round just because he ran a fast 40.

PalmerToCJ
06-18-2007, 01:31 PM
Cincinnati Bengals

1 Chris Perry RB Michigan
2 Keiwan Ratliff CB Florida
2 Madieu Williams FS Maryland
3 Caleb Miller OLB Arkansas
3 Landon Johnson OLB Purdue
4 Matthias Askew DT Michigan State
4 Robert Geathers DE Georgia
4 Stacy Andrews G Mississippi

Chris Perry is a great athlete and big weapon in our offense, only problem being he's never healthy enough to show anything. In 2005 he was a big reason for our success but it's likely he'll be gone after this year. I understood the reasoning for the pick at the time, Rudi was a 1 year wonder coming up on his contract year and I saw the need for a RB.

Keiwan Ratliff has good instincts he's just nothing more than a nickel in our defense because of speed. He will probably be gone after this year and would make some cover 2 team a great corner.

Madieu Williams is one of our best defenders, this pick was called a big reach at the time. He had an outstanding rookie year and beginning to '05 before a shoulder injury. He was average last year, I'm hoping he hits his previous level this year which would be a big boost to our defense.

Landon Johnson and Caleb Miller have been big role players on our defense netting many starts due to injuries. They're limited by ability but have very good instincts and play good team defense.

Stacy Andrews and Robert Geathers were two project type players that have paid off tremendously. Geathers is one of our best defenders and had over 10 sacks last year as just a situational guy and got a big contract extension. Andrews played great in a few starts last year after never starting a game in his life, IMO after this year he'll be signed long term to be our starting RG.

This draft had great depth and most of the players have played a significant amount of games. Overall I give it a B, if Perry would've stayed healthy it could have been an A.

kmartin575
06-18-2007, 01:35 PM
Yeah, there's no debate at all over the #2 position, your right....

I take Steven Jackson over Larry Johnson, and I'm not the only one. Steven Jackson can do more things then LJ can, he has less attitude, and isn't as dependant on his O-Line, like LJ was during his amazing season.

Obviously the two are debatable, so for you to laugh at someone calling Steven Jackson the 2nd best RB is fairly dumb.

Jackson isn't nearly the threat as a runner that LJ is.

Also, look at the competition each went up against last year.

Jackson had 6 division games against the weak NFC West.

Johnson had 6 division games against some of the best defenses in the NFL with Denver, San Diego, and Oakland.

And LJ is WAY underrated as a receiver. Did you guys not see that 78 yard reception against Arizona that would have been more like an 85 or 90 yard reception if Antrell Rolle had not tried to rip LJ's head off by the facemask. LJ would have had well over 500 or 600 yards receiving if Damon Huard had stayed in as the quarterback. Trent Green tried to force feed the ball to the wide receivers and stopped throwing to Tony Gonzalez and Larry Johnson. Considering LJ is working hard on improving his catching and is running wide receiver routes this offseason, his numbers should go way up.


I would love to see how LJ would do if he had Holt, Bruce, and Curtis in the passing game to keep defenses from stacking the box with 8 or 9 men. I seriously doubt Jackson saw too many 8 men fronts. If he did then Holt or Bruce made the defense pay. The only receiver the Chiefs had that could keep defenses accountable was Tony Gonzalez.

The Great Jonathan Vilma
06-18-2007, 01:40 PM
insane chargers draft class.

I'd do the Jets but i gotta finish this essay

jbeans187
06-18-2007, 02:04 PM
Even with Holt and Bruce, Jackson racked up over 800 recieving yards. If you want to compare strength of schedule lets compare the teams o lines where KC has a huge edge. I d say there running abilities are very similar, but Jackson is hands down the better reciever making him the better all around back, hes a beast!!!!
Led the league in yards from scrimmage and was 4th in voting to LT, Drew Brees, and Peyton Manning for the Offensive player of the year award

neko4
06-18-2007, 02:14 PM
1 25 Ahmad Carroll CB Arkansas
3 70 Joey Thomas CB Montana State
3 72 Donnell Washington DT Clemson
3 87 B.J. Sander P Ohio State
6 179 Corey Williams DT Arkansas State
7 251 Scott Wells C Tennessee

enough said, it was horrible, we only have Wells and Williams on the team lol

Carroll- At one point showed some promise, but that was quickly dismissed early in his 3rd year and was released.
THomas- CHallenged Carroll, but thats not tough to do. CUT!
Washington- Didnt even play a game I think.
BJ Sander- Didnt even average have a 40 yd avg.
Williams- Quality backup and borderline starter. Good pick in the 6th.
Wells- Is now the starting center after filling in. Has alot of promise and recently got a contract extenstion.

fischbowl
06-18-2007, 02:16 PM
Bills:

1a. Lee Evans: A+
1b. J.P. Losman: C
3. Tim Anderson: D+
4. Tim Euhus: D
7. Johnathan "Fast Freddy" Smith: D


Evans has evolved into a top receiver in the NFL and while Losman became starter he is inconsistent and may lose his job. Anderson remains with the team (IDK why) and Euhus was traded after three years as the 2nd TE. Smith impressed in camp but was unable to hold job as KR.

lionsfan81
06-18-2007, 02:34 PM
Lions:

1. Roy Williams - WR - The man is a stud WR and we were lucky he fell to us at #7. He is a probowl WR who can haul in almost any pass. Doesnt have the greatest speed due to his huge feet but is one of the top 10 WRs in the game.
Grade: A

1. Kevin Jones - RB - If this RB can stay healthy he can be one of the best in the league. He was a probowl alternate his rookie year and hasnt been able to get back because he is always getting hurt. Has really turned into a good back under Martz's offense and has been able to develop a new dimension to his game; catches passes. Great value as he fell to here because of his lack of breakaway speed which is still a problem, but all around a very good starting RB and very good value for this draft pick.
Grade: A-

2. Teddy Lehman - MLB - Has never been able to get back to his rookie form where he started every game and led the team in tackles. If healthy he is a very good LB, but he just hasnt been since his rookie year. He should be back this year from a Lisnic Fracture injury thats kept him away the past year and a half.
Grade: B-

3. Keith Smith - CB - A player who has never really done much except been a nickle back and special teamer. Supposedly he has looked like a different player this offseason and is primed to have one of his better years to date. Overall will be nothing more than a career backup corner.
Grade: C+

5. Alex Lewis - OLB - One of my favorite players on the team who is just an all around tough guy and is always flying to the ball. Great pickup in the 5th round and is the kind of guy you want to build your team around. If he can stay healthy he should be a starting LB on this team
Grade: B

6. Kelly Butler - OT - Very good pickup in the 7th round and i thought he was going to be our RT for the future as he started all of his 2nd season in the league. But when the new coaches came in they saw something they didnt like and he didnt even make the team last year and wound up starting a few games for the Cleveland Browns. Probably nothing more than a backup but not bad as most 6th and 7th rounders dont even last in the league.
Grade: C

Overall Grade: A- One of Millens best classes(which isnt saying much) but with the addition of KJ and Roy this made it an A- class.

The Great Jonathan Vilma
06-19-2007, 11:48 AM
I actually prefer this Greg Jones Video...simply because he TRUCKS Sean Taylor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NiwGp1TM5k&NR=1

classic hater clip to show, when u have a 250 RB coming at u full speed while ur in a standstill position, the laws of physics say that unless u go low ur going to go backwards. nice move by Jones, but people use that far to much against Taylor and i'm not sure y.

Geo
06-19-2007, 11:58 AM
Watching Bills mini-camp on NFLN the other day, something came to mind that the more I thought about, the more I agreed with it:

I'd rather have JP Losman, the 4th quarterback taken in the much-ballyhooed 2004 draft class, than Alex Smith, the first overall pick in 2005.

PoopSandwich
06-19-2007, 12:04 PM
Kellen Winslow Jr.
Sean Jones


Amazing.

JK17
06-19-2007, 12:22 PM
Jackson isn't nearly the threat as a runner that LJ is.

Also, look at the competition each went up against last year.

Jackson had 6 division games against the weak NFC West.

Johnson had 6 division games against some of the best defenses in the NFL with Denver, San Diego, and Oakland.

And LJ is WAY underrated as a receiver. Did you guys not see that 78 yard reception against Arizona that would have been more like an 85 or 90 yard reception if Antrell Rolle had not tried to rip LJ's head off by the facemask. LJ would have had well over 500 or 600 yards receiving if Damon Huard had stayed in as the quarterback. Trent Green tried to force feed the ball to the wide receivers and stopped throwing to Tony Gonzalez and Larry Johnson. Considering LJ is working hard on improving his catching and is running wide receiver routes this offseason, his numbers should go way up.


I would love to see how LJ would do if he had Holt, Bruce, and Curtis in the passing game to keep defenses from stacking the box with 8 or 9 men. I seriously doubt Jackson saw too many 8 men fronts. If he did then Holt or Bruce made the defense pay. The only receiver the Chiefs had that could keep defenses accountable was Tony Gonzalez.

Just like you could say SJ isn't nearly the threat LJ is as a runner, you can say the same thing about LJ being not nearly the receiving threat SJ is...

But its not like Steven Jackson can't run the ball, just like its not like LJ can't catch it. Its a matter of preference and I like the all-around back in Jackson better then I like the more, not only, but more, one dimensioanl back in LJ. The fact that I personally don't like LJ does play into that, I'm not pretending to be unbiased, I am biased, just like you are.

Saying that LJ would have done something, or could have done something, if Huard was QB is irrelevant though, because he didn't do it.

And also as much as you talk about what LJ could have done in the Rams offense I would be just as curious what Steven Jackson could have done with 410 carries. Steven Jackson had a better ypc then LJ, granted by .1 yard per carry, but its not as if LJ blows him out of the water as a runner.

This debate has been hashed out before and could go on forever. Personally I like Steven Jackson better, but I don't have a problem with people saying LJ is #2. I do have a problem with people laughing at anyone other then LJ as the #2 RB.

Phrost
06-19-2007, 12:26 PM
Pure runner, give me LJ.
Dynamic threat, give me SJ.

remix 6
06-19-2007, 02:10 PM
Patriots
1. Vince Wilfork DT Miami
1. Ben Watson TE UGA
2. Marquise Hill DE LSU
3. Guss Scott SS Florida
4. Dexter Reid FS.SS UNC
4. Cedric Cobbs RB Arkansas
5. PK Sam WR FSU
7. Christian Morton CB Illinois


-Wilfork was considered by many a top 10 talent, but didn't have a great final season at the U. Is EXTREMELY talented. This year he established himself as a great player on a consistent basis last year, commanding a double team on almost every play.
-Watson is a physical specimen who ran a 4.44 40 at 6-3 255 coming out of UGA. He has shown flashes, but he hasn't been a dominant force on a consistent basis yet. Didn't break out as expected in 2006, may not have as many chances in '07 with tons of new targets for Brady.
-Marquise Hill never did much on the field for the Pats, he passed away a few weeks ago. RIP.
-Guss Scott got opporitunities to play early due to injuries and did OK for a young player thrown into the fire. Was a great conributor on special teams as well. He is now with the Jets.
-Dexter Reid had a similar situation as Scott, he played as a rookie and suprised a lot of people. Was solid on special teams too. I really liked Reid, I was dissappointed to see him go. He is now a Colt.
-Cedric Cobbs was a RB with loads of potential who kept getting hurt in college and then the pros. He never got to flash his potential wit the Pats. He was with the Broncos, not sure where he is now.
-PK Sam was regarded as a sleeper and at one point some saw him as a 2nd rounder, but he did nothing, didn't even make it out of pre-season in a Pats uniform I believe. Now with Miami.
-Chrisitian Morton contributed on special teams as a returner and cover man, but he didn't fit into the Pats plans. Never saw the field as a DB, even when we were depleted in the secondary. Now with the Panthers.

We got 2 solid 1st rounders in Wilfork and Watson, but other than that this was one of our least productive drafts over the last 5 seasons. Watson and Wilfork are the only 2 players on the team. I give it a C-, and it would've been a lot lower if not for Watson and Wilfork.


wanna add to that a little

-Wilfork - Hes already 1 of the best and most underrated DTs in the game. Hes a rock in the middle and he does his job extremely well. when he got hurt a few games, we really missed him. hes a huge part of our run D and tremendous front 7

-Watson. He actually ran a 4.42. Hes fast, got doubled last year with our crappy WRs and he made some big plays. He was near top in 20 + yard plays for TEs. Hes very strong and fast. His issue last year was turning it over..he had a small stretch of games where he fumbled but hes improved. Watson should have a suprisingly better year because theres no more double teams on him unless they want Moss or Stallworth to beat them deep. I think he can beat a lot of LBs or safeties if hes matched up 1on1. Still needs to work on consistency with hands and consistency overall.

-Hill. RIP

-Scott . He showed promise but he took back to back injuries and really hurt his development. Couldnt get on field because injuries and then when he got healthy..it was too late and they took the toll on him

-Reid. Special teamer, he was good. We plugged him in at safety a few times including SB and he got beat. We couldnt rely on him for 5 plays yet alone a full game. Terrible at safety..good STer. Nothing more.

-Cobbs. He had potential..never seemed to try. He was lazy..didnt work hard. He got the boot

-Sam . Like stated..could've been a sleeper..a tall WR who struggled early but then i thought he was doing well enough when David Terrell came in camp but i guess i was wrong.

-Morton. 7th rounder..what do u expect?

Dagagad
07-01-2007, 04:43 AM
I think some of you guys are expecting too much from these drafts. I'd say a draft were 3/4 out of 7 guys are still in the league is a good draft as long as there isn't a big bust in the first or second round. for example that colts draft is at least a B. They got serviceable guys throughout the draft who did a job. Doing that every year is how you build a team.

Also from the 5th round on, even still being in the league means it was a great draft pick. The expectation for those picks is they will be out of the league. If you draft a good special teams guy who sticks for a year or two before dropping out of the league, thats a great pick.

ATLDirtyBirds
07-01-2007, 09:08 AM
Atlanta Falcons

1. DeAngelo Hall, CB, VaTech: Came in right away and established himself as an elite corner. Fell off some last year, but with a new defense more built to him, his elite cornerback status should return. A+

1b. Michael Jenkins, WR, Ohio State: Never really turned out to be 1st round pick worthy. He has been inconsistent, but was still Atlanta's best WR last year. He still has potential to become a good WR. B-


3. Matt Schaub, QB, Virginia: Was a good backup QB for us, ended up being traded to Houston, and got us some big time picks. A


4. Demorrio Williams, LB, Nebraska: Is currently injured right now. He has shown to be one of the faster LB's in the league, but he is far too agressive, and tries too much for the big play. Still a good LB though, with potential to be better. B/B+


5. Chad Lavalais, DT, LSU: Showed some flashes, but could never keep his weight in a good range, and was often very unproductive, not with the team anymore. D-

6. Eric Pruitt, S, Southern Mississippi: Not with the team, not very good when he played. D-


7. Quincy Wilson, RB, WVU: Not with team, never did anything for us.

Primetime21
07-01-2007, 12:55 PM
Watching Bills mini-camp on NFLN the other day, something came to mind that the more I thought about, the more I agreed with it:

I'd rather have JP Losman, the 4th quarterback taken in the much-ballyhooed 2004 draft class, than Alex Smith, the first overall pick in 2005.

Alex Smith is one of the most underrated QBs in the league right now. Sounds like you just look at his stats and not watch him play.

Most plays he gets less than 3 seconds before he has a defender in his face. Yet he gets first downs and can control the game.

Get ready for a breakout year with D-Jack at WR and V-Dav at TE. Even Gore is gonna be a huge threat in the passing game.

CT Bronco Fan
07-01-2007, 01:43 PM
Denver Broncos 2004 Draft

1 17 D.J. Williams OLB Miami
2 41 Tatum Bell RB Oklahoma State
2 54 Darius Watts WR Marshall
3 85 Jeremy LeSueur DB Michigan
5 152 Jeff Shoate CB San Diego State
6 171 Triandos Luke WR Alabama
6 190 Josh Sewell C Nebraska
7 225 Matt Mauck QB Louisiana State
7 247 Brandon Miree RB Pittsburgh
7 250 Bradlee Van Pelt QB Colorado State

DJ Williams and Jeff Shoate are the only players. (Shoate likely to be cut) still on the team, He has turned out to be one of the best linebackers in the league. However, the rest of our draft was pretty bad. It's pretty amazing that back in 2004 I thought this draft was very very good for Denver, just goes to show you how wrong I was. ( BTW I am still upset we passed on Steven Jackson for DJ )

Staubach12
07-01-2007, 02:34 PM
2- Julius Jones, RB, Notre Dame
2- Jacob Rogers, T, Southern California
3- Stephen Peterman, G, Louisiana State
4- Bruce Thornton, CB, Georgia
5- Sean Ryan, TE, Boston College
7- Nathan Jones, CB, Rutgers
7- Patrick Crayton, WR, N.W. Oklahoma
7- Jacques Reeves, CB, Purdue

-Julius Jones has been good. He's solid, nothing exceptionally special, but he is part of one of the leagues better running games.

-Jacob Rogers didn't love the game of football, and in the end, that led to him getting lazy in his recover from surgery. He's out of the league.

-Peterman really turned out to be another dissapointment for us. He was released about a year ago, but he's in the mix to start for the Lions next year, and I'm happy for him. I always did like him. Funny story, I met his cousin at a party, I was wearing a Cowboys hat, and she said "Hey! My cousin used to play for them!" It was pretty cool.

-Bruce Thornton was a dissapointment. I can't seem to remember what happened to him, but he was released. He played for the 49ers a few years back, and then the Jaguars where he is (I think) currently employed.

-Sean Ryan was on and off the practice squad for several years before he was traded to the Jets for a 7th round pick. He's now the #2 TE for the Jets.

-Nate Jones is burried in the depth chart, but he's good depth. He'll stick around for a while.

-Patrick Crayton was problably our best pick of this draft. He's one of the leagues best #3 WRs and it was GREAT value here in the 7th round. He's really a great player.

-Jacques Reeves is, like Nate Jones, nothing more than good depth at the CB position.

Overall, pretty mediocre. We hit on some, but we missed on more.

CC.SD
07-01-2007, 02:44 PM
Get ready for a breakout year with D-Jack at WR and V-Dav at TE. Even Gore is gonna be a huge threat in the passing game.

I'm a big proponent of shortened names (D-Jack, TO, LT, etc.) but V-Dav is probably the worst one I've ever seen.

SeanTaylorRIP
07-01-2007, 03:02 PM
Ravens:
One bad Ravens Draft, but they didn't have many picks
2nd: Dwan Edwards-Good backup versatile has potential to be really good.
3rd: Devard Darling-Had high hopes for him, he's a bust, but was beast 1 game in the preseason last year, he might be able to do something elsewhere.
5th:Roderick Green-Good special teams player, I thought he might be the next Adalius Thomas but we released him.
6th:Josh Harris-Sucked out of the league I think
6th:Clarence Moore-He's really tall
7th: Derek Abney-3rd WR taken by Ravens I thought he would be what Wes Welker is now.
7th: Brian Rimph-Very good 7th round pick.

Acreboy
07-01-2007, 03:07 PM
I'm a big proponent of shortened names (D-Jack, TO, LT, etc.) but V-Dav is probably the worst one I've ever seen.VD is by far...

keylime_5
07-01-2007, 04:40 PM
Watching Bills mini-camp on NFLN the other day, something came to mind that the more I thought about, the more I agreed with it:

I'd rather have JP Losman, the 4th quarterback taken in the much-ballyhooed 2004 draft class, than Alex Smith, the first overall pick in 2005.

I'd rather have neither. I think they are the same player actually. Mediocre QBs with scrambling ability and good deep balls, hooray.

gator3guy
07-01-2007, 07:04 PM
Gimme a break. LeBron just made it to the finals. I say that the Cavs are an offensive assistant and a point guard away from dominating the E.Conference yearly and winning multiple titles. Garnett never even got far in the playoffs ever.


....And Steven Jackson is the 2nd best back in the league. I remember before the 2004 draft I was like "why isn't Jackson considered a top 10 pick?"

Steven Jackson was my favorite player in that draft. I was mad the Eagles didn't take him and gave Dallas a chance to but they were just as dumb (even moreso). I still can't believe he lasted that long. 26 was it? OMG.

And he is the 3rd best receiving RB in the NFL IMO behind reggie and BWest.

dabears10
07-01-2007, 07:14 PM
Steven Jackson was my favorite player in that draft. I was mad the Eagles didn't take him and gave Dallas a chance to but they were just as dumb (even moreso). I still can't believe he lasted that long. 26 was it? OMG.

And he is the 3rd best receiving RB in the NFL IMO behind reggie and BWest.

LT...or do you not believe he is a better reciever than Jackson.

gator3guy
07-01-2007, 07:22 PM
LT...or do you not believe he is a better reciever than Jackson.

They are about even IMO. I think he still gets too much love for that year he had 100 catches.

BufFan71
07-01-2007, 07:25 PM
Alex Smith is one of the most underrated QBs in the league right now. Sounds like you just look at his stats and not watch him play.

Most plays he gets less than 3 seconds before he has a defender in his face. Yet he gets first downs and can control the game.

Get ready for a breakout year with D-Jack at WR and V-Dav at TE. Even Gore is gonna be a huge threat in the passing game.


u wanna talk about having a defender in your face.....go look at J.p Losman last season......we gave up like 53 sacks....the only good player on the o-line was Jason Peters...

Alex Smith had a WAY better offensive line....and a WAY better running game..

J.p Losman had neither of those last season

SuperMcGee
07-01-2007, 07:51 PM
u wanna talk about having a defender in your face.....go look at J.p Losman last season......we gave up like 53 sacks....the only good player on the o-line was Jason Peters...

Alex Smith had a WAY better offensive line....and a WAY better running game..

J.p Losman had neither of those last season

But they did have Kwame Harris, who plays the equivalent of Mike Gandy vs. the Detroit Lions every week.

CC.SD
07-01-2007, 07:56 PM
They are about even IMO. I think he still gets too much love for that year he had 100 catches.

I'm okay with you saying that, because it's completely clear that you've never seen a Charger game in your life.

LT still averages close to 70 catches per season, and they're not all dinks. He gets downfield and makes some pretty damn spectacular grabs. Often in traffic, going for off throws. There's a reason he is the concensus most dangerous running back in the game.

BufFan71
07-01-2007, 08:46 PM
But they did have Kwame Harris, who plays the equivalent of Mike Gandy vs. the Detroit Lions every week.


ohh......

dang i guess Kwame Harris sucks........
and so does gandy

BufFan71
07-01-2007, 08:47 PM
I'm okay with you saying that, because it's completely clear that you've never seen a Charger game in your life.

LT still averages close to 70 catches per season, and they're not all dinks. He gets downfield and makes some pretty damn spectacular grabs. Often in traffic, going for off throws. There's a reason he is the concensus most dangerous running back in the game.

LT is a beast....

slimx37
07-01-2007, 09:04 PM
2nd best running back in football
i am gonna say that at the end of this year we will be sayin reggie bush
in the scheme he is in in new orleans he will tear it up this year for proof of this look what he did in the last 6 weeks of last year

burdman
07-03-2007, 08:59 PM
he's already among the top 3 in the league with Gonzalez and Gates only being better.

stay off the crack please. crumpler, watson, heap, shockey, witten, clark are all better. lets see him in hawaii first ok?

draftguru151
07-03-2007, 09:05 PM
stay off the crack please. crumpler, watson, heap, shockey, witten, clark are all better. lets see him in hawaii first ok?

Considering the two guys he said are ahead of Winslow are in the AFC that really doesn't make much sense.

Any idea who had the most catches last year out of the TEs? How about third most yards behind Gates and Gonzalez? If you guessed Winslow on one leg you're correct.

PoopSandwich
07-03-2007, 09:11 PM
A healthy Winslow would be a treat for NFL fans, the guy plays with more intensity than any Cleveland football player I've seen in a long while... You could even tell how frustrated he was when he was getting tackled and limping back to the huddle, he will be breaking tackles if that knee is healthy.

keylime_5
07-03-2007, 09:21 PM
stay off the crack please. crumpler, watson, heap, shockey, witten, clark are all better. lets see him in hawaii first ok?

You gotta be kidding me. Winslow led all TEs in catches last year with crappy QBs throwing to him and no running game to open up the pass. Not to mention he was playing on one good knee. If Winslow was in the NFC last year he would've gotten the most votes for the Pro Bowl, it's hard to get in on a crappy team while competing with Gonzalez and Gates.

Watch a Cleveland game this year or at least look at his stats last year before you say he's not better than those guys who are all solid TEs, but don't have the talent of WInslow and didn't even have as good of stats either.

Bobo
07-03-2007, 10:02 PM
2. Ben Troupe TE - It hasn't all clicked....we hope. Has some great YAC potential, you just wonder sometimes how the hell he doesn't go down. If he can master the mental part, and stay healthy, he'll be a good pass catching TE....his blocking is avg at best.

2. Travis LaBoy DE - Looks like we've seen all there is, and he should be a backup/pass rush guy.

2. Antwan Odom DE - Shown some flashes, but never really consistantly good. He was injured most of last year. He had sleep apnea, but that's supposed to be cured. I also remember reading he'd gotten bigger/stronger, but then lost some of it. Maybe he breaks out, but I'm not betting on it.

3. Randy Starks DT - Those roids must be nice at Maryland ;) Looked good his rookie year, then just went downhill. He's quick, but for a guy who was supposed to be so strong, he gets tossed around a whole lot.

3. Rich Gardner CB - nobody

4. Bo Schobel DE - ditto

4. Michael Waddell CB - "The Rabbit"....which means he's fast. Kinda the only thing going for him it seems, and now he has to get his knee healthy and hope he still has the speed.

5. Jacob Bell OG/OT - Quick, gets to the 2nd level really well. Not strong enough, as he gets mauled a lot. Solid starter and nice 5th round find.

5. Rob Reynolds LB - I think he's a nobody, but he's still on the team....for now.

6. Troy Fleming FB - RB/FB tweener. Never blocked like a old school FB. He was quick and had decent speed. He could make some plays with the ball in his hands....and then he got the droppsies....and then he got hurt....and then he watched Ahmard Hall take his lunch money. No more and then!!!!

7. Jared Clauss DT - Athletic, quick DT. But got mauled too much. I thought he should have been tried at DE some to try and stop the run. Gone now.

7. Eugene Amano C/OG - Very solid backup, and I think he could be a solid starter. He's quick, and holds his blocks well. He's strong, but doesn't seem to maul people much to get them completely out of the play.

7. Sean McHugh TE/FB - Supposed to be a really good blocker....but he was cut before we could even see it.

Guess I could give that a D....Troupe breaking out could get it to a C- I suppose.

Vikes99ej
07-04-2007, 09:14 PM
Kenechi Udeze blows little boy pee-pee.

SuperMcGee
07-05-2007, 02:12 AM
4. Bo Schobel DE - ditto


More like Super Bowl champion with amazing bloodline.

nbarnett56
07-05-2007, 11:07 AM
1 25 Ahmad Carroll CB Arkansas
3 70 Joey Thomas CB Montana State
3 72 Donnell Washington DT Clemson
3 87 B.J. Sander P Ohio State
6 179 Corey Williams DT Arkansas State
7 251 Scott Wells C Tennessee


Ahmad Carroll was a complete bust. Why Mike Sherman took him over Chris Gamble is still the 8th wonder of the world. A prime example of why you don't choose a player bases solely on their forty time. He was cut midway through his 3rd season with us and the Jaguars picked him up. He was since arrested and is now out of the league.

Joey Thomas was another bust. He couldn't cover worth a damn. He was cut after getting into a fight in the locker room with Carroll. The Saints picked him up for the rest of the year. He has been out of the league for quite some time.

Donnell Washington was a guy who had 1st round talent/potential but never played up to that level. He was injury prone and was later cut. He has also been out of the league for quite some time.

B.J. Sander couldn't put over 40 yards to save his life. After taking him in the 3rd round, he couldn't win the starting job so we ended up carring 2 punters in 2004. He was the starting punter in 2005 but was terrible. He was cut after that season and has only had a tryout with the Rams.

Corey Williams really came on last season and had 7 sacks. He started to really flash his potential but now he is entering a contract season and we just drafted Justin Harrell. His future as a Packer remains to be seen though I'd like to see him return.

Scott Wells had been a very good backup at either guard spot and center. He saw spot duty the 1st few years of his career but after we let Mike Flanagan leave in FA, Wells become our starting center. He fits well in the zone blocking scheme and has sinced signed an extention.

Ironic that a 6th and 7th round pick were our best players from that draft. The sole reason why Mike Sherman sucked with personel and depleted our team from its depth. I'm thankful everyday that he is gone.

Go_Eagles77
07-05-2007, 11:20 AM
More like Super Bowl champion with amazing bloodline.

Aaron Schobel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt Schobel and Bo Schobel

HawkeyeFan
07-06-2007, 12:38 AM
Rams:
1 24 Steven Jackson RB Oregon State A++
3 91 Tony Hargrove DE Georgia Tech C--
4 130 Brandon Chillar OLB UCLA D++
5 158 Jason Shivers FS Arizona State FFF
6 201 Jeff Smoker QB Michigan State FFF
7 237 Erik Jensen TE Iowa FFF
7 238 Larry Turner C Eastern Kentucky DDD

Overall: C--

kmartin575
07-06-2007, 01:07 AM
2nd best running back in football
i am gonna say that at the end of this year we will be sayin reggie bush
in the scheme he is in in new orleans he will tear it up this year for proof of this look what he did in the last 6 weeks of last year

LMAO

Especially not with him splitting carries with McAllister. He simply won't get enough touches to put up great stats.

The 2nd best runningback in football is easily Larry Johnson.

Bobo
07-07-2007, 12:20 PM
More like Super Bowl champion with amazing bloodline.

He did jack **** for the Colts to get that title. And he is nothing like his cousin Aaron. Bust.