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alca1992
12-11-2006, 04:57 PM
i say drew

smittyjs
12-11-2006, 04:59 PM
LT, but Drew season along with the saints........ :shock:

12-11-2006, 05:00 PM
You my friend are a:

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h168/xbuzz669/dee.jpg

ninerfan
12-11-2006, 05:17 PM
Drew - I also heard he's starring in the sequel to the Prestige with Hugh Jackman - coz **** me he's a magican

Smooth Criminal
12-11-2006, 05:17 PM
I'm giving it to LT. He already broke the TD record and has 3 games left in this season. He is having an amazing season and definately deserves the MVP award.

12-11-2006, 05:21 PM
How can you guys possibly say Brees? LT is going to smash the record for most touchdowns. He is completely unstoppable

ninerfan
12-11-2006, 05:22 PM
How can you guys possibly say Brees? LT is going to smash the record for most touchdowns. He is completely unstoppable

unless of course Brees puts a spell on him 8)

Shiver
12-11-2006, 05:25 PM
What people forget about Drew Brees, is while he has monster statistics, all four of the Saints losses correspond with Brees' 300-yard games. Look beyond the stats, instead look at the context of how he's put up those stats.

LaDainian Tomlinson is having the greatest RB season of all time, and has been the best running back in football for a while, carrying his team to a 11-2 record. If he doesn't win, with a 2,200+ total yard, 35-ish touchdown season, while Shaun Alexander has an MVP award after pounding sub-par NFC West and AFC South opponents, it would be a travesty.

alca1992
12-11-2006, 05:25 PM
How can you guys possibly say Brees? LT is going to smash the record for most touchdowns. He is completely unstoppable

cause the awrd is most valuable player and even tough i think LT has had a better year then brees and in my opinion the best RB in a long long time. drew has just been more valuable to his team

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
12-11-2006, 05:31 PM
This thread is a joke.



How can you not include Jay Cutler? 8)

duckseason
12-11-2006, 05:46 PM
How can you guys possibly say Brees? LT is going to smash the record for most touchdowns. He is completely unstoppable

cause the awrd is most valuable player and even tough i think LT has had a better year then brees and in my opinion the best RB in a long long time. drew has just been more valuable to his team


By definition, the better player is more valuable. I don't know where all this "he's more valuable to his team" crap started, but it's always been annoying to me. Seems to me Ladainian is more valuable to his team anyway. Remember how they were teammates? Seems as though the Chargers are doing just fine without Brees. Anyway, my point is that "Most Valuable" means just that. Think of them as diamonds. Who shines brighter? Who has less flaws? Who is more valuable? If they had an award for MVP of all time, Tomlinson's season this year would likely have the best odds at winning it. It really isn't even close in my opinion. Brees is definitely having an MVP worthy year, and he would likely win it in most seasons. It's just too bad it coincided with perhaps the greatest individual season in the history of the game.

12-11-2006, 05:51 PM
How can you guys possibly say Brees? LT is going to smash the record for most touchdowns. He is completely unstoppable

cause the awrd is most valuable player and even tough i think LT has had a better year then brees and in my opinion the best RB in a long long time. drew has just been more valuable to his team

The award is usually not given to the most valuable player, and if it was, neither Brees nor LT would win. The award is given to the player who played the best throughout the year.

Staubach12
12-11-2006, 05:53 PM
I think the only way Brees can pass up Tomlinson is if he breaks the season season passing record. If he does that, it'll be really close.

TitleTown088
12-11-2006, 05:54 PM
You my friend are a:

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h168/xbuzz669/dee.jpg

he's a hispanic person?

TPFKA#1SaintsFan
12-11-2006, 06:00 PM
I think if both players and teams stay on their current pace, we'll have Co-MVP's.

TitleTown088
12-11-2006, 06:05 PM
I think if both players and teams stay on their current pace, we'll have Co-MVP's.
was the last time that happened brett favre and barry sanders?

oh my , how the times have changed, there used to be two MVPs in the NFC nordie.

TPFKA#1SaintsFan
12-11-2006, 06:08 PM
I think if both players and teams stay on their current pace, we'll have Co-MVP's.
was the last time that happened brett favre and barry sanders?

oh my , how the times have changed, there used to be two MVPs in the NFC nordie.

I believe the last time it happened was Peyton Manning and Steve McNair.

BuddyCHRIST
12-11-2006, 06:10 PM
How can you guys possibly say Brees? LT is going to smash the record for most touchdowns. He is completely unstoppable

cause the awrd is most valuable player and even tough i think LT has had a better year then brees and in my opinion the best RB in a long long time. drew has just been more valuable to his team


By definition, the better player is more valuable. I don't know where all this "he's more valuable to his team" crap started, but it's always been annoying to me. Seems to me Ladainian is more valuable to his team anyway. Remember how they were teammates? Seems as though the Chargers are doing just fine without Brees. Anyway, my point is that "Most Valuable" means just that. Think of them as diamonds. Who shines brighter? Who has less flaws? Who is more valuable? If they had an award for MVP of all time, Tomlinson's season this year would likely have the best odds at winning it. It really isn't even close in my opinion. Brees is definitely having an MVP worthy year, and he would likely win it in most seasons. It's just too bad it coincided with perhaps the greatest individual season in the history of the game.

not at all, especially when your comparing to a QB to a RB. Because a QB is WAY more important.

12-11-2006, 06:12 PM
I think if both players and teams stay on their current pace, we'll have Co-MVP's.
was the last time that happened brett favre and barry sanders?

oh my , how the times have changed, there used to be two MVPs in the NFC nordie.

McNair and Manning a few years ago.

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-11-2006, 06:14 PM
The # of tds for LT will win it for him.

duckseason
12-11-2006, 06:22 PM
How can you guys possibly say Brees? LT is going to smash the record for most touchdowns. He is completely unstoppable

cause the awrd is most valuable player and even tough i think LT has had a better year then brees and in my opinion the best RB in a long long time. drew has just been more valuable to his team


By definition, the better player is more valuable. I don't know where all this "he's more valuable to his team" crap started, but it's always been annoying to me. Seems to me Ladainian is more valuable to his team anyway. Remember how they were teammates? Seems as though the Chargers are doing just fine without Brees. Anyway, my point is that "Most Valuable" means just that. Think of them as diamonds. Who shines brighter? Who has less flaws? Who is more valuable? If they had an award for MVP of all time, Tomlinson's season this year would likely have the best odds at winning it. It really isn't even close in my opinion. Brees is definitely having an MVP worthy year, and he would likely win it in most seasons. It's just too bad it coincided with perhaps the greatest individual season in the history of the game.

not at all, especially when your comparing to a QB to a RB. Because a QB is WAY more important.
You're right, a QB is more important to a team. I agree. So, I guess we should just give the MVP to the best QB every year then.

alca1992
12-11-2006, 06:29 PM
I think if both players and teams stay on their current pace, we'll have Co-MVP's.

i wouldnt mind that

B-Dawk
12-11-2006, 06:33 PM
Brees has an argument for mvp but offensive player of the year is without a doubt LT

Shiver
12-11-2006, 06:36 PM
The pro-Brees line of thought would be more plausible had Carson Palmer won it or co-won it with Alexander last year. Looking at the context of last year; Palmer had a breakout season, he was the top QB, playing for a losing franchise. Very much Brees-esque. Another thing to notice, while Brees has put up an awesome amount of passing yards, his team has four losses, all of which came while Brees had 300+ yards passing. He put up some gaudy stats, but half of his 'big' games have come in garbage time in four losses.


Shaun Alexander, while having the Touchdown and Rushing Title records, hardly was on the field in passing situations. Alexander padded his stats against dreadful run defenses, such as Arizona, St Louis and San Francisco six times, Houston, Tennessee, Indianapolis when resting starters, Green Bay, Atlanta. Tomlinson has had a much tougher schedule than Alexander had, and has destroyed his production from last year, while being a force on passing downs. Also, can anyone say that Tomlinson has the help that Alexander had last year?

Zim3031
12-11-2006, 06:54 PM
It's a shame that these two players are having such great seasons at the same time, one of them has to be snubbed.

That said, I'd give it to Tomlinson hands down. The only other legitimate red zone threat on that team is Gates, LT is making the difference between touchdowns and field goals. Over the course of a season that can make a HUGE difference in a team's success. Not to mention the guy has broken an NFL record with three whole games left! He has an oppurtunity to finish with a touchdown count in the mid 30's. That's absolutely insane.

jackalope
12-11-2006, 07:05 PM
LT, but it's real close

WhisperSeek
12-11-2006, 07:32 PM
LT will win this one. He not only has broken the TD record with 3 weeks remaining, but he plays on the hottest team in the league right now. Brees deserves this award; No doubt. But LT is just unreal.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
12-11-2006, 07:40 PM
The pro-Brees line of thought would be more plausible had Carson Palmer won it or co-won it with Alexander last year. Looking at the context of last year; Palmer had a breakout season, he was the top QB, playing for a losing franchise. Very much Brees-esque. Another thing to notice, while Brees has put up an awesome amount of passing yards, his team has four losses, all of which came while Brees had 300+ yards passing. He put up some gaudy stats, but half of his 'big' games have come in garbage time in four losses.


Shaun Alexander, while having the Touchdown and Rushing Title records, hardly was on the field in passing situations. Alexander padded his stats against dreadful run defenses, such as Arizona, St Louis and San Francisco six times, Houston, Tennessee, Indianapolis when resting starters, Green Bay, Atlanta. Tomlinson has had a much tougher schedule than Alexander had, and has destroyed his production from last year, while being a force on passing downs. Also, can anyone say that Tomlinson has the help that Alexander had last year?

Even though I hate the Chargers LT deserves that record more than Alexander does. SA didn't even deserve it then, he let Maurice Morris get him to the 1-yard line and then made Holmgren sub him in. He in no way, shape or form deserved MVP. This year, LT did it with as you said a MUCH harder schedule, and did it while being much more dominant, and not havgin what is widely considered the best offensive line in football.

cunningham06
12-11-2006, 07:43 PM
A case can be made for Brees.

Brees turned the Saints around, they have been bad for years but now 9-4? Brees and the Saints turned it around quick.

LT is dominating though and does deserve the award, but either way saying that brees should win does not make him a "dee dee dee" (also Carlos Mencia deserves to be shot)

Boston
12-11-2006, 07:49 PM
LT. Any time a RB rushes for more TD's than a QB throws for, you know he's having a special season.

Moses
12-11-2006, 08:07 PM
If Tomlinson doesn't win this award, it would be basically impossible to ever give the award to a runningback again. Tomlinson has had one of (if not the best) seasons for a runningback in history. How can you not give it to him?

Flyboy
12-11-2006, 11:01 PM
Co-MVPs.

cunningham06
12-11-2006, 11:03 PM
Co-MVPs.

Why not? We had Co-Comeback players of the year last season with Smith and Bruschi. Even though Bruschi getting to split it with Steve Smith was complete ********.

yourfavestoner
12-12-2006, 01:52 AM
Co-MVPs.

Why not? We had Co-Comeback players of the year last season with Smith and Bruschi. Even though Bruschi getting to split it with Steve Smith was complete ***********.

The fact that Bruschi split the Co-MVP while Mark Fields didn't even come close is a travesty.

portermvp84
12-12-2006, 08:51 AM
They're both very good, but I think Drew Brees should get it.

Splat
12-12-2006, 09:24 AM
LT it is not even close.

eacantdraft
12-12-2006, 09:45 AM
There ought to be a law against homers.

LT's team has a better record, a tougher division, and has a bigger load of his teams offense. Thank God homers don't vote for MVP awards.

portermvp84
12-12-2006, 09:47 AM
I think since LT locked up the TD record I figure he will get it.

njx9
12-12-2006, 09:54 AM
i'm sort of amazed that brees is even in the discussion. the most valuable crap doesn't fly either way (take LT off the chargers and they're probably tied up with denver and KC instead of clinching home field). and brees, by comparison, isn't having half the season that LT is. barring him literally giving away the last three games, i don't see how anyone could realistically vote any other way.

Titans_Dynasty85
12-12-2006, 10:43 AM
Drew Brees definately deserves to win the MVP this year. He took a team that was 4-12 last year and now is 2nd in the NFC. Hes making stars out of players we havent even heard of like Colston, and hes producing unbelievable numbers. LT is producing great numbers too, but his team was already great before this year with all the talent they had. Although LT will probably get it, Brees definately deserves it more.

portermvp84
12-12-2006, 01:42 PM
You are right Brees has turned the franchise around. He also has some good stats to go along with it: 4,033 yards, 25 TD's and 10 picks those numbers right there should say right there that he is MVP and OPOY worthy.

Flyboy
12-12-2006, 01:43 PM
Drew Brees definately deserves to win the MVP this year. He took a team that was 4-12 last year and now is 2nd in the NFC. Hes making stars out of players we havent even heard of like Colston, and hes producing unbelievable numbers.

3-13 and the second pick in the NFL draft last year but who's counting?

alca1992
12-12-2006, 02:41 PM
LT it is not even close.

so tour saying brees doesnt even get any kind of tought

njx9
12-12-2006, 02:48 PM
Drew Brees definately deserves to win the MVP this year. He took a team that was 4-12 last year and now is 2nd in the NFC. Hes making stars out of players we havent even heard of like Colston, and hes producing unbelievable numbers. LT is producing great numbers too, but his team was already great before this year with all the talent they had. Although LT will probably get it, Brees definately deserves it more.

huh... so drew brees is the only change in new orleans, eh? weak reasoning. i'm sure having a healthy running back and a new coach and some good receiving were simply products of drew brees showing up.

njx9
12-12-2006, 02:49 PM
LT it is not even close.

so tour saying brees doesnt even get any kind of tought

drew brees should get every single second place vote.

Smooth Criminal
12-12-2006, 04:03 PM
LT is havign a record breaking year. This season is amazing for a RB. Brees is having a great season and has helped turn a franchise around but he is not having the same record breaking year that LT is.

When the RB in this discussion has more TDs than the QB you should know who to give it to.

CC.SD
12-14-2006, 08:33 PM
People say "Brees turned around New Orleans" like LT HASN'T put the entire team on his back, for the last 6 years.