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cunningham06
12-12-2006, 03:17 PM
Before the Patriots Dolphins game, the Dolphins got game film on Brady with audio so they could study voice inflection and work on anticipating snap count. Other teams haven't been doing it this season, and some consider it cheating. Is it an unfair advantage?

Personally I don't think it is kudos to the Dolphins for thinking to do that, it was obviously effective.

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-12-2006, 03:19 PM
If its available for other teams to get access to then its definetely allowed and should not be critisized.

Paul
12-12-2006, 03:29 PM
I don't thinks it illegal, but theres something definitely shady about it. I just picture Saban in a back alley slipping a guy ,in a hat and trench coat, some dolphins tickets for the tapes.

cunningham06
12-12-2006, 03:35 PM
I don't thinks it illegal, but theres something definitely shady about it. I just picture Saban in a back alley slipping a guy ,in a hat and trench coat, some dolphins tickets for the tapes.

Sabans definitely got a game film dealer.

SFbear
12-12-2006, 03:48 PM
I don't thinks it illegal, but theres something definitely shady about it. I just picture Saban in a back alley slipping a guy ,in a hat and trench coat, some dolphins tickets for the tapes.

"You got the stuff." :lol:

Smooth Criminal
12-12-2006, 03:57 PM
I don't think its cheating any more than watching film is.

All the people that say it is cheating should really be asking themselves why they didn't think of it.

TitleTown088
12-12-2006, 04:04 PM
Well it may not be illegal, but the manner in which the information was obtained was... Elian gonzales was brought out of hiding in cuba to secretly record the audio of brady.
After returning to miami a parade was held and he decided to stay in America for good. http://pub.tv2.no/multimedia/na/archive/00188/Elian_Gonzales_188998c.jpg

Kurve
12-12-2006, 04:04 PM
NFL is a business so coachs and players careers depend on the way they do there job. As a coach you do all you can to get the advantage over your opponent so getting tape of the other team and study there habit is just part of the game. Its definatly not cheating, if there was a way to see all the cards from the other team anybody would do it , in a legal way. Why do you think teams sign players who have been cut from rival division teams?? to get a upper hand on them is it fair? absolutely its way things work.

Paul
12-12-2006, 04:09 PM
Well it may not be illegal, but the manner in which the information was obtained was... Elian gonzales was brought out of hiding in cuba to secretly record the audio of brady.
After returning to miami a parade was held and he decided to stay in America for good. http://pub.tv2.no/multimedia/na/archive/00188/Elian_Gonzales_188998c.jpg

And the plot thickens.

Boston
12-12-2006, 04:13 PM
Why would it be considered cheating? If that's considered cheating, than scouting, game film, etc. should all be considered "cheating." It's not like previous games are classified or anything. :roll:

Moses
12-12-2006, 04:19 PM
How exactly does this work? I don't see how you could anticipate snap count based on voice inflection.

TitleTown088
12-12-2006, 04:24 PM
How exactly does this work? I don't see how you could anticipate snap count based on voice inflection.

probabably patterns in the fluctuations of his voice during snap counts or somthing to that extent.

12-12-2006, 04:30 PM
How exactly does this work? I don't see how you could anticipate snap count based on voice inflection.I really dont see how someone can do this, every play is a random snap count. Unless the team is stupid.

Moses
12-12-2006, 04:31 PM
How exactly does this work? I don't see how you could anticipate snap count based on voice inflection.

probabably patterns in the fluctuations of his voice during snap counts or somthing to that extent.

So they train the players to listen to his voice during snap counts and try to predict when he's going to snap it? Sounds useless to me.

TitleTown088
12-12-2006, 04:34 PM
How exactly does this work? I don't see how you could anticipate snap count based on voice inflection.

probabably patterns in the fluctuations of his voice during snap counts or somthing to that extent.

So they train the players to listen to his voice during snap counts and try to predict when he's going to snap it? Sounds useless to me.

it's the best explaination i can come up with. :|

draftguru151
12-12-2006, 04:45 PM
They said the listened so they knew the pass protections and such. Like whatever Brady calls at the line Miami knows. In no way is this cheating, if it were the Dolphins would get in trouble, it is just a good job by Saban.

San Diego Chicken
12-12-2006, 04:48 PM
I believe what the Dolphins studied were Brady's actual protection assignments that he calls out after surveying the defense.

VoteLynnSwan
12-12-2006, 04:53 PM
i voted yes... but i meant no...

cunningham06
12-12-2006, 04:55 PM
How exactly does this work? I don't see how you could anticipate snap count based on voice inflection.

probabably patterns in the fluctuations of his voice during snap counts or somthing to that extent.

So they train the players to listen to his voice during snap counts and try to predict when he's going to snap it? Sounds useless to me.

Sure there are different snap counts but they were probably in addition to studying protection assignments was any unintentional tendencies that Brady may have while hiking the ball to see if they could use it to their advantage.

GB12
12-12-2006, 05:10 PM
I dont get why Salisbury keeps arguing that it's cheating on sports center. He even compared it to steroid use and isnt making any sense. Sometimes I wonder why some of these guys still have jobs.

cgrsly57
12-12-2006, 05:14 PM
This isnt cheating at all. If it really happend and its the reason why the dolphins won then its New Englands fault for not mixing up thier audibles. Dont all teams use fake audibles on every other play anyway? I know my highschool team did and I just assumed everybody did.

njx9
12-12-2006, 06:54 PM
someone quote me where in the rule book it says that this (or anything similar) is against the rules. until then, there's absolutely no way you can make the argument that it is.

Star Wideout
12-12-2006, 07:40 PM
Good for them. Hopefully this will teach coaches to change up their pass protection calls...before each game. If they don't already do that.

Xonraider
12-12-2006, 07:50 PM
How exactly does this work? I don't see how you could anticipate snap count based on voice inflection.

probabably patterns in the fluctuations of his voice during snap counts or somthing to that extent.

So they train the players to listen to his voice during snap counts and try to predict when he's going to snap it? Sounds useless to me.

More like line slides, or blocking schemes. Maybe Brady calls ''x'' player is blitzing, so tackle or guard pick him up. The player infront of him will know he's blitzing

jkpigskin
12-12-2006, 07:50 PM
the patriots just got their butt kicked... end of story.... sure maybe this voice thingy helped the miami D, but their D was man handling so badly that i dont think some voice thing would have made that much of a difference

The Unseen
12-12-2006, 07:51 PM
I dont get why Salisbury keeps arguing that it's cheating on sports center. He even compared it to steroid use and isnt making any sense. Sometimes I wonder why some of these guys still have jobs.

Because

1. He's an idiot.

2. He was a former quarterback and doesn't like the idea of the defense knowing what he's saying.

3. He's an idiot.

BigDawg819
12-12-2006, 07:58 PM
I dont get why Salisbury keeps arguing that it's cheating on sports center. He even compared it to steroid use and isnt making any sense. Sometimes I wonder why some of these guys still have jobs.

Because

1. He's an idiot.

2. He was a former quarterback and doesn't like the idea of the defense knowing what he's saying.

3. He's an idiot.

You might want to mention that he's an idiot. Salisbury is always against anything that works against quarterbacks and will always back up Manning and Brady.

cunningham06
12-12-2006, 10:03 PM
the patriots just got their butt kicked... end of story.... sure maybe this voice thingy helped the miami D, but their D was man handling so badly that i dont think some voice thing would have made that much of a difference

The Pats got dominated at the line of scrimmage all game, it seemed to me like the film had some impact with how effective Miami was upfront.

I'mAHustler
12-13-2006, 07:12 AM
People have been trying to do this to Peyton Manning for years, but because he owns them with the fake audibles, no one says anything http://forums.offtopic.com/images/smilies/hsugh.gif

jackalope
12-13-2006, 07:22 AM
it's not an unfair advantage if everyone can do it. good work by the fins.

eacantdraft
12-13-2006, 07:50 AM
Stop whing. The Dolphins did a good job at scouting. That was ingenious of the coaching staff to come up with that idea.

If your teams did the same thing, you'd be crowing about the astute coaching job.

This is the NFL. There is no such thing as fair in professional sports.

DeathbyStat
12-13-2006, 08:21 AM
Border line illegal, but the New England oline was losing one on one matchups all day.

eacantdraft
12-13-2006, 04:13 PM
Border line illegal, but the New England oline was losing one on one matchups all day.

Show me where it's illegal. Either in NFL rules or US rules.

Jonathan_VIlma
12-13-2006, 04:21 PM
Every team does this, whether they tell you they do or not.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
12-13-2006, 04:30 PM
Deathbystat, sorry to be a vigilante mod, but your avatar is much too big.

draftguru151
12-13-2006, 04:32 PM
Deathbystat, sorry to be a vigilante mod, but your avatar is much too big.

QFT.

Namy
12-13-2006, 04:53 PM
the patriots just got their butt kicked... end of story.... sure maybe this voice thingy helped the miami D, but their D was man handling so badly that i dont think some voice thing would have made that much of a difference
QFT

The game wasn't even close. Patriots should stop complaining (they're slowly resembling the Spurs to me).

Flyboy
12-13-2006, 11:43 PM
I don't thinks it illegal, but theres something definitely shady about it. I just picture Saban in a back alley slipping a guy ,in a hat and trench coat, some dolphins tickets for the tapes.

Just the mental picture of that is completely hilarious.

Shiver
12-14-2006, 03:40 AM
the patriots just got their butt kicked... end of story.... sure maybe this voice thingy helped the miami D, but their D was man handling so badly that i dont think some voice thing would have made that much of a difference
QFT

The game wasn't even close. Patriots should stop complaining (they're slowly resembling the Spurs to me).


The Patriots are the ones who aren't complaining. The only complaining is coming from the media talking heads.

draftguru151
12-14-2006, 08:37 AM
the patriots just got their butt kicked... end of story.... sure maybe this voice thingy helped the miami D, but their D was man handling so badly that i dont think some voice thing would have made that much of a difference
QFT

The game wasn't even close. Patriots should stop complaining (they're slowly resembling the Spurs to me).


The Patriots are the ones who aren't complaining. The only complaining is coming from the media talking heads.

Brady had a comment about it the other day.