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Denver Bronco99
06-23-2007, 01:02 PM
http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10234368/rss

Five Moves That Make Sense to Me
Wes Welker, WR, New England

There are all sorts of reasons to like this pickup: First of all, he's good. As a matter of fact, he was Miami's leading receiver in 2006. Second, he fits a need. The Patriots' wide receivers last season were as dependable as JetBlue. Third, he fits two needs. Not only can he catch, he can return punts. The Patriots ranked third in returns last year, and Welker makes them that much stronger, which means good luck trying to beat New England in a game of field position. Lastly, he played with Miami, which is in the same division as New England. The Patriots' gain is the Dolpins' loss, and don't knock improving your team at the expense of the competition.

Daniel Graham, TE, Denver

He's a perfect fit for the Broncos. Remember, this is an offense where Shannon Sharpe routinely caught 60-70 passes a year. I'm not saying Graham enters that stratosphere, but I'm saying he could. He once pulled down seven TD passes for New England, and he's tough when you need him most -– with 21 of his 37 receptions the past two seasons for first downs. A scout I trust compared him to Kansas City's Tony Gonzalez, saying his pass-catching skills reminded him of Gonzalez but that he's a better blocker than the Chiefs' tight end. All I know is Graham is where he should be if he's going to get noticed. "When I first heard about this move," said one AFC player personnel director, "I winced. Denver just got better."

Thomas Jones, RB, N.Y. Jets

The Jets' concern last season wasn't their defense or a reconfigured offensive line or another Chad Pennington injury. It was a running game that fizzled. OK, rookie Leon Washington looked better on the field than he did in trading cards. But as a whole, the Jets didn't run as well as the Long Island Rail Road –- and it's that 3.5 yards per carry I'm talking about. So the club traded for Jones, and yeah, he will make a difference. First of all, the Jets' offensive line is young and improving. Second, Jones doesn't have as much wear on his body as a soon-to-be-29-year-old should. Third, he's coming off consecutive 1,000-yard seasons and produced two 100-yard performances in last year's playoffs -– including a 112-yard effort in the Super Bowl. No, he's not Curtis Martin. But he is an improvement over what they had, and he should make them better.

Willis McGahee, RB, Baltimore

People want to knock the guy because he averaged 3.8 yards per carry and had one 100-yard game in his last 11 starts. But some of that had to do with the Bills' struggling passing attack, with opponents stacking the box and daring J.P. Losman to beat them. And some of it had to do with McGahee himself. In fact, a lot of it did. He played last season with ankle and rib injuries, and that's putting it lightly -- he had two cracked ribs. Talk about tough. Still, he ran for 990 yards in 14 games. And he did it with Buffalo changing an offensive line that, until it was reshuffled at mid-season, couldn't –- as my longtime friend and Bills fan, Rich Quodomine, says –- "stop you, me and nine guys from the mailroom." If McGahee stays healthy, he gains 1,300 yards minimum for the Ravens and has them back in the playoffs.

Takeo Spikes, LB, Philadelphia

Ask anyone who followed the Eagles: The problem with the league's 15th-ranked defense was its linebackers -- particularly its outside linebackers. They didn't do much. So now the Eagles trade for Spikes, who struggled to recover from a 2005 Achilles injury, and think they have their problems solved. Well, they might. Spikes could be an attack dog for defensive coordinator Jim Johnson's attacking defense -– provided, of course, he's healthy. At the team's May minicamp, Spikes said he felt better than he had in years, and teammate Jeremiah Trotter gushed about the guy after watching him fly around the field. If Spikes is himself, he makes this defense better. Significantly better. With the questions Philadelphia has on offense, that could be critical to its chances of repeating as division champions.


Honorable mention:
(tie) David Carr, QB, Carolina

You may be looking at the future starter for the Carolina Panthers. Carr didn't work out in Houston because the Texans couldn't protect him. It's as simple as that. The guy was sacked 249 times in five seasons, which works out to an average of 50 times a year, and that's one way to kill a career. The question is: Can he recover and be a winning quarterback? We won't know until someone puts a legitimate line in front of him, and someone just did. If nothing else, I like the idea of acquiring the top pick in a draft without having to surrender a thing. If it's a gamble, it's not much of one. And if the Panthers find that Carr is what Houston once thought –- a franchise quarterback -– they committed grand larceny. All I know is that for the first time since Jake Delhomme joined Carolina, the Panthers have a legitimate second option at quarterback.

(tie) Eric Steinbach, G, Cleveland

Since rejoining the NFL in 1999, the Browns haven't ranked higher than 20th in rushing. A year ago they were 31st, which caused the front office to do something about it –- and no, it didn't throw a gazillion dollars at a premier running back. It spent them on Steinbach, who took advantage of an inflated market by gaining a whopping contract, though he fills an enormous hole. With Steinbach and first-round draft pick Joe Thomas, Cleveland finally may plug the real mistake by the lake –- a porous offensive line.


Five I'm Not Sure About
Leonard Davis, T, Dallas

He couldn't play tackle in Arizona, and he won't play there in Dallas. Instead, the Cowboys will use him at guard, which is smart. But at the cost of $50 million? Please. The guy had a reputation as an underachiever in Arizona, and I just don't see how a fat paycheck cures that. And I'm not alone. "He's not a guard," said one scout. "He's a tackle. And he's not a very good one. They grossly overpaid." We'll see.

Randy Moss, WR, New England

Everyone has an opinion on this guy, and they range from hallelujahs to condemnation. Moss hasn't done anything in three years, but let's be honest here: It would've been hard for Tom Brady to look good in that mess the Raiders called an offense last season. But at least Brady would've tried. Moss didn't. Some scouts think this is the perfect spot for him, a place to re-invent himself as Corey Dillon did in 2004. Maybe. But he's 30, and he does get hurt. Plus, there are character issues that make him a risk for any locker room. If someone can handle him, it's the Patriots and their head coach. The question is: What does Moss have left?

Darrell Jackson, WR, San Francisco

Sure, he fills a hole, but if he were all that valuable, do you think Seattle would've given up on him? When I visited the Seahawks last summer, coaches were frustrated trying to get him on the field. I think the same thing will happen in San Francisco. Jackson is talented; he's just not tough.

Patrick Kerney, DE, Seattle

My heart tells me this is an upgrade for the Seahawks, but my head says that if he's the player he's supposed to be the Falcons would've done everything to keep him. Kerney turns 31 this season, so he's not young. He's also coming off a torn pectoral that shelved him last season. "He's not the same guy," said one player personnel director. "He won't be as good as he was. And they just gave him a ton of money." Obviously, the Seahawks think he has something left. Stay tuned.

Matt Schaub, QB, Houston

Yeah, I liked him in Atlanta, too, but he started only twice, for crying out loud. So now we're to believe he's better for this club than the first pick of the 2002 draft? Maybe, but I want to see the Texans' offensive line first. They're the guys who turned David Carr into a piñata, and there's no guarantee the same thing doesn't happen to Schaub.


Honorable mention
Dominic Rhodes, RB, Oakland

So the Raiders had one of the league's worst rushing attacks. Now Rhodes is going to change that? Call me skeptical. For one, the offensive line there stinks. If it doesn't improve, I don't care if Al Davis signs L.T. himself. It doesn't matter. Second, Rhodes was a part-time player in Indy. He's OK when he splits the position and has someone who can block in front of him. I understand that he takes turns with LaMont Jordan, and that's good. But where are the holes? Someone? Anyone?


Five I Don't Like
Jamal Lewis, RB, Cleveland

I understand the logic: If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. And nobody beat up on the Browns like Lewis. But that was when he was a step faster. Correction, two steps faster. And we have the evidence: In 2003 he had 16 carries of 20 or more yards; the past three seasons he had 11. Lewis can no longer run away from defenders. He can't run them over, either. Some people said the offensive line in Baltimore contributed to his declining numbers. Maybe. But if you buy that logic, then tell me why he should be more productive in Cleveland.


Worst move of the offseason?
Bobby Wade
Tim Carter
Ahman Green
Jamal Lewis
Kevin Curtis
Visanthe Shiancoe




Ahman Green, RB, Houston

Another strange move by a club I just don't understand. Green hasn't been a productive back for a couple of years, and he's 30. He's also breaking down. He missed two games in 2006. He missed 11 in 2005. He produced five 100-yard games in his last 25 starts, averaging 3.8 yards a carry, but look more closely -- he averaged 3.2 over his last four starts last season. Ahman Green is fading, yet he's supposed to be the back the Texans never had. Good luck.

Kevin Curtis, WR, Philadelphia

There were a lot of people interested in him because he's a solid receiver, but he's a solid second or third receiver. The Eagles signed him to a six-year, $32 million deal, with $9.5 million guaranteed, which means they paid him money they wouldn't pay Donte' Stallworth. I don't know, but if I'm a defensive coordinator, Stallworth scares me more. I know Curtis can be a big-play receiver and should be an ideal addition to the Eagles' young receiving core. But I also know the club paid top dollar for someone who never had a 1,000-yard season and only once produced more than 479 yards in catches.

Visanthe Shiancoe, TE, Minnesota

Question: Just what, exactly, has he done to merit a five-year, $18.2 million contract? They could've had Daniel Graham. Instead, they settled for a guy who, in four years with the Giants, never had more than 12 catches in a season.

Bobby Wade, WR, Minnesota

Wait a minute: A five-year deal worth $15 million? For what? If I'm Zygi Wilf, I want to see my accountant. Now.


Honorable mention
Tim Carter, WR, Cleveland

He drops too many passes. He's always getting hurt. And he didn't figure in the Giants' plans this season. Still, Cleveland traded Reuben Droughns to acquire him. One question: Why?






Good list

49ersfan_87
06-23-2007, 01:04 PM
I didn't really like the Daniel Graham signing. Too much money for a blocking TE. I really liked Scheffler too. He seemed to have chemistry with Cutler.

princefielder28
06-23-2007, 01:08 PM
Good to see Minnesota take up two of the bad 5

Go_Eagles77
06-23-2007, 01:27 PM
I was agreeing with the Takeo Spikes thing til he said "with the questions they have on offense", what the hell? The eagles had the number 1 rated offense last year til McNabb went down, and we ended the year no.2, all we lost was Stallworth (who was constantly getting hurt), but we also got Kevin Curtis so to say we have questions on offense is pretty dumb. If McNabb goes down, we have very a very capable backup.

Hopefully he's right about Spikes though. :)

Edit - He says Curtis is one of the worst moves of the offseason, okay he may have been a bit over-paid, but Curtis said himself that he had even better offers, Stallworth may have been scarier, but he was always popping up on the inactive list for tweaking his hamstring right before games, I guess the eagles didn't want to give him that much money when he could get hurt at any time, on the other hand, Curtis doesn't have a history of injuries, he has much better hands than Donte, he's just a little bit slower if not just as fast, and he's a better fit in the WCO. I'm perfectly happy with this move.

ricky bobby
06-23-2007, 02:18 PM
Good to see Minnesota take up two of the bad 5
Visante Shiancoe. What on earth were they thinking?

keylime_5
06-23-2007, 03:01 PM
So The Browns' line is good now, but Jamal Lewis will be bad b/c the Browns line isn't good. Major hole in his logic. I swear Sportsline has the worst writers of all time.

YAYareaRB
06-23-2007, 03:34 PM
Wow! Nate Clements or Micheal Lewis weren't even mentioned.. Hmmm

Acreboy
06-23-2007, 05:21 PM
So The Browns' line is good now, but Jamal Lewis will be bad b/c the Browns line isn't good. Major hole in his logic. I swear Sportsline has the worst writers of all time.No, JL won''t be good because he's not good anymore.

mqtirishfan
06-23-2007, 05:44 PM
Visante Shiancoe. What on earth were they thinking?

Bobby Wade. What in the Hell were they thinking?

The Dynasty
06-23-2007, 05:51 PM
Bobby Wade. What in the Hell were they thinking?

He's only gonna be the Slot Receiver so its not that bad but for that money then yes. Shiancoe or whatever his last name better work out and thats all i hope, I dont like Childress saying Good People, Good Players because it doesnt work that way. Yeah we were trying to stay away from the Big Name players but The Vikings would be a different team going into this season if we signed Kevin Curtis and Daniel Graham instead of them.

Also, I dont think Nate Clements should have been a good Move, they overpaid him wayyy to much for an average career in buffalo.

High Roller
06-24-2007, 10:37 AM
What's wrong with spending a 4th round pick on a #1 WR? Injuries may be a concern but D Jax is definately worth it. The 49ers WR corps is pretty awful, and DJax definately helped the situation.

SeanTaylorRIP
06-24-2007, 10:40 AM
I agree Ahman Green signing was awful, give Wali Lundy the effing job, dude is forreal.

P-L
06-24-2007, 11:33 AM
Isn't Denver going to use Daniel Graham primarily as a blocker and Tony Scheffler as a receiver? I really don't think he "could" catch 70 passes next year.

j05son
06-24-2007, 12:14 PM
So The Browns' line is good now, but Jamal Lewis will be bad b/c the Browns line isn't good. Major hole in his logic. I swear Sportsline has the worst writers of all time.

agreed.

You'd think Sportsline would start hiring people with a bit more sports knowledge. The Tim Carter trade; we were going to release Droughns. We received a guy for him, so if it doesn't work out we've lost; nothing!

amazingdonnie
06-24-2007, 01:26 PM
Daniel Graham is nothing like Tony Gonzalez. He is a blocking TE, with average receiving skills. He has average speed, and good hands and great blocking. Sportsline's writers truly are morons.

ks_perfection
06-24-2007, 01:29 PM
If the Rumor is true that the Titans offered there 1st rounder for Turner and the Chargers turned it down that would be one of the worst decisions.

Space Ghost
06-24-2007, 02:03 PM
Ugliest is the money that the Bills gave to Langston Walker, lets hope he can prove worthy of his 81 Madden Rating from '05. WTF Do you give him that kind of money!!! I guess Terrance Pennington is ****, but still, find someone who wasn't benched by the Raiders FFS!!

Denver Bronco99
06-24-2007, 04:20 PM
Isn't Denver going to use Daniel Graham primarily as a blocker and Tony Scheffler as a receiver? I really don't think he "could" catch 70 passes next year.

Not at all i heard from denver post and stuff and inteviews they say graham will have around 50 catches thats the plan...and shef will get his also....but graham is a complete TE...shef is primarly receiving tell he can work on his blocking he wont be graham out

BuckNaked
06-24-2007, 04:48 PM
Good to see Minnesota take up two of the bad 5

You really had to wonder what the Vikings were thinking with Wade and especially Shaincoe.

remix 6
06-24-2007, 04:55 PM
I didn't really like the Daniel Graham signing. Too much money for a blocking TE. I really liked Scheffler too. He seemed to have chemistry with Cutler.

hes more than a blocking TE..underrated receiver. As a Patriots fans..im willing to bet that he'll surprise many

Denver Bronco99
06-24-2007, 04:59 PM
hes more than a blocking TE..underrated receiver. As a Patriots fans..im willing to bet that he'll surprise many

no doubt...he was a very good reciever comming out of college...and on top of that he is a GREAT blocker

luckyjackaubrey
06-24-2007, 05:01 PM
Dan Graham is a stud. He can only catch what is thrown to him and we all know the NE offense was built to spread the ball around. Ask the Falcons d- back field if he is a threat. He could be a monster addition as a complimentary reciever, not a 70 catch guy but his catches will have impact.

remix 6
06-24-2007, 05:03 PM
yup. Graham is a tough guy to bring down. Hes not consistent with his hands but he works hard so i wouldnt doubt hes been hitting the jugs. Once he starts catching more consistently, he'll be a huge threat with his blocking, hes above average speed for a TE and hes very strong and tough to take down

Denver Bronco99
06-24-2007, 05:06 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2002/draft/players/17298.html


def ....seems that he was just under utalized in NE...and 4.48 speed is DEF ABOVE AVERAGE FOR A TE


and he was rated higher then shockey, comming out

remix 6
06-24-2007, 05:11 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2002/draft/players/17298.html


def ....seems that he was just under utalized in NE...and 4.48 speed is DEF ABOVE AVERAGE FOR A TE


and he was rated higher then shockey, comming out

hes not as athletic as he was but hes still above average in athletism and speed..(well above imo for a te)

he was under utilized last couple years because he had a few injuries..we brought ben watson in whos a great receiver but not a very good blocker so dan got stuck with the role.

Denver Bronco99
06-24-2007, 05:13 PM
hes not as athletic as he was but hes still above average in athletism and speed..(well above imo for a te)

he was under utilized last couple years because he had a few injuries..we brought ben watson in whos a great receiver but not a very good blocker so dan got stuck with the role.

yea, watson and graham were both GREAT so they had to be used...its just watson is the BETTER out of the two at receiving

yo123
06-25-2007, 12:19 AM
Visanthe Shiancoe and Bobby Wade :shakes head: And our management wonders why we cant move the ball.