Hall of Fame Game

[BuckNaked]

Here's how it goes, somebody list a player and asks if they belong in the Hall of Fame. The person who answers that question will ask a question on whether another player should make it in.

Let me start this off:

Tiki Barber?

[jballa838]

Here's how it goes, somebody list a player and asks if they belong in the Hall of Fame. The person who answers that question will ask a question on whether another player should make it in.

Let me start this off:

Tiki Barber?
No, from a career point i dont see him getting in.
T.O. when its all over?

[Acreboy]

No, from a career point i dont see him getting in.
T.O. when its all over?

Yes, dominated everyone. I don't think I remember anyone shutting him down.

Warran Sapp?

[Man_Of_Steel]

On the T.O question

Yes, His stats speak for themselves and he helped to define the modern wr.

Rod Smith?

[eacantdraft]

No, from a career point i dont see him getting in.
T.O. when its all over?

T.O. is not getting in. Too much controversy and by the time he is elegible I'm sure they are going to have a character clause like the baseball Hall of Fame does. All of his off the field stuff deflects his accomplishments on it.

Drew Bledsoe

[MaxV]

Yes on Sapp, dominant player in his prime.

Jason Taylor?

[eacantdraft]

On the T.O question

Yes, His stats speak for themselves and he helped to define the modern wr.

Rod Smith?

Not getting in. He never dominated his position and was never thought as the best at his position.

[Acreboy]

T.O. is not getting in. Too much controversy and by the time he is elegible I'm sure they are going to have a character clause like the baseball Hall of Fame does. All of his off the field stuff deflects his accomplishments on it.

Drew BledsoeTheres a difference between arrogant and steroid use/gambling.

TO will get in.

Bledsoe no.


He was never in his career a top 5 QB.

Randy Moss?

[Smokey Joe]

Brian Urlacher?

[Smokey Joe]

Theres a difference between arrogant and steroid use/gambling.

TO will get in.

Bledsoe no.


He was never in his career a top 5 QB.

Randy Moss?
nay.........

[M.O.T.H.]

T.O. will get in w/ ease...

He'll be top 5 receptions, top 10 yards, 125+ TDs

[Green Bay Scat]

no for urlacher(right now)

Rich Gannon?

[HoopsDemon12]

Theres a difference between arrogant and steroid use/gambling.

TO will get in.

Bledsoe no.


He was never in his career a top 5 QB.

Randy Moss?

i say he revives his career in NE and goes on a rank scoring streak and gets in....

Torry Holt?

[BuckNaked]

no for urlacher(right now)

Rich Gannon?

Gannon only had four good years.

Steve McNair?

[eacantdraft]

Gannon only had four good years.

Steve McNair?


Little chance. Too many more QB's in his era had better careers.

[MaxV]

Gannon only had four good years.

Steve McNair?

No to McNair.

Jason Taylor, in or not?

[BuckNaked]

No to McNair.

Jason Taylor, in or not?

I think so, if he can keep up this pace he is on.

Edgerrin James?

[eacantdraft]

One thing to remember guys. There is a back log to the Hall of Fame now and it's going to get worse. Only a maximum of six players can get in every year and any old timers will reduce the number of modern day players getting in.

Unless you are the absolute cream of the crop in your era, a player may have to wait a while to get in.

10 years ago, who would have thought Art Monk would be still waiting to get in.

[wiscbadgerfootball]

no

Sammy Sosa

[eacantdraft]

I think so, if he can keep up this pace he is on.

Edgerrin James?

Edge James, In.

[Green Bay Scat]

no to sammy

Brian Dawkins?

[BuckNaked]

no

Sammy Sosa

with 600 homer runs, definitely

Mcgwire?

[Smokey Joe]

with 600 homer runs, definitely

Mcgwire?
Mcgwire and Sosa both will not make it in as their careers have been tainted by steroids.

[rainbeaukid2]

with 600 homer runs, definitely

Mcgwire?

no, with the steroid scandal.

bryant young?

[Green Bay Scat]

Young i think so, not first ballet tho

Brian Dawkins

[M.O.T.H.]

I think Sammy may get it...fans/baseball people still seem to love him for some reason...

[MaxV]

with 600 homer runs, definitely

Mcgwire?

Writers will keep him out, and the Vets will DEFINITELY NOT vote him in. He won't get in.

[Acreboy]

no to sammy

Brian Dawkins?Yes to Dawkins and Urlacher.

Ronde Barber?

[rainbeaukid2]

Yes to Dawkins and Urlacher.

Ronde Barber?

def. not first ballet, maybe in the future though

[jballa838]

i say he revives his career in NE and goes on a rank scoring streak and gets in....

Torry Holt?
Yes, he put up 1400 yards for 6 straight years

[Acreboy]

La'Roi Glover?

[Don Vito]

La'Roi Glover?

Nah he was dominant for some years but fell off and never won big.

Richard Seymour?

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Nah he was dominant for some years but fell off and never won big.

Richard Seymour?

Nope.


Rey Ordonez?

[MaxV]

Nope.


Rey Ordonez?

LOL, I hope not.

Billy Wagner?

[Acreboy]

Nope.


Rey Ordonez?

Might not be his first ballot. Second I think he has a god chance.

Michael Finley?

[M.O.T.H.]

Did you really just say, Rey Ordonez? hahahaha.

[Green Bay Scat]

who the **** is rey ordonez?

here Chipper Jones / Edger Martinez?

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Did you really just say, Rey Ordonez? hahahaha.


http://students.ou.edu/P/Scott.R.Page-1/mets/ordonez3.jpg


When I see that, I just think, obvious HOF.

[Acreboy]

who the **** is rey ordonez?

here Chipper Jones / Edger Martinez?Yes to Chipper.

Andruw Jones?

Edit:Better Scat?

[Green Bay Scat]

its Andruw, but close enough

[Acreboy]

its Andruw, but close enoughCare to answer the question?

[M.O.T.H.]

Andruw...yes, amazing in the field and should come close to or pass 600 homers.

John Smoltz...yay, braves.

[Acreboy]

Andruw...yes, amazing in the field and should come close or pass 600 homers.

John Smoltz...yay, braves.Smoltz easy. I don't think anyone has more wins and saves than he does.

[Green Bay Scat]

Smoltz is the only 200 win 150 save of course

Gary Sheffield?

[fischbowl]

Yay.

Takeo Spikes?

[Green Bay Scat]

Takeo no, if he was healty throught his career, **** YEA

Ty Law?

[bsaza2358]

Backing up, I think Smoltz gets in for many years of excellence.

I don't think Wagner is a HOF-er.

Andruw Jones has the gold gloves, but his statistics aren't that impressive. He probably has to play at a high level for another 8 years to be considered. I say no right now.

Sheffield was a great player in his prime, but I don't see HOF with him. 500 HR's isn't the gold standard, and I don't think he has the overall #'s.

[bsaza2358]

Takeo no, if he was healty throught his career, **** YEA

Ty Law?

I'm not sure. I don't see Law as an all-time great. He has the rings, but he really hasn't been heard from in a while after he left the Pats. I say no.

Donovan McNabb?

[M.O.T.H.]

I think Andruw will get pretty damn close to 600, that's about 30 a year over the next 8 years...I think he'll get in.

[fischbowl]

Jury's out on McNabb for me.

Probably no, due to the lack of big game clutch

Kurt Warner?

[ATLDirtyBirds]

I think Andruw will get pretty damn close to 600, that's about 30 a year over the next 8 years...I think he'll get in.



And he's only 30, so it's definately possible. I think he will get there as well.

[BuckNaked]

And he's only 30, so it's definately possible. I think he will get there as well.

If he keeps playing like this, he ain't goin anywhere.

[Chucky]

Nah Kurt Warner wasnt around long enough


Derrick Brooks and Simeon Rice?

[M.O.T.H.]

If he keeps playing like this, he ain't goin anywhere.

Once he gets that big contract next year and settles in w/ his new team...he should be fine...

[BuckNaked]

Once he gets that big contract next year and settles in w/ his new team...he should be fine...

Isn't the contract year supposed to be when you play your best? Ask Adrian Beltre.

[M.O.T.H.]

Isn't the contract year supposed to be when you play your best? Ask Adrian Beltre.

I dont think Andruw really wants to leave...his swing is back but, his head is all messed up.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

I dont think Andruw really wants to leave...his swing is back but, his head is all messed up.


Yup, I don't think it's all that long till he gets his confidence back. And as bad as he's been, he's on pace for close to 30 HR's.

[rainbeaukid2]

Nah Kurt Warner wasnt around long enough


Derrick Brooks and Simeon Rice?

brooks will but i am not sure about simeon rice

[BuckNaked]

Tom Brady if he retired right now?

[rainbeaukid2]

Tom Brady if he retired right now?

yes, he was the main part of one of the only modern-day dynastys

[BaLLiN72]

tiki barber?

[M.O.T.H.]

How about... Rodney Harrison, Zach Thomas, and Issac Bruce.

IMO, yay on all...what do you think?

[BuckNaked]

How about... Rodney Harrison, Zach Thomas, and Issac Bruce.

IMO, yay on all...what do you think?

yes on harrison and thomas, no for bruce.

[BaLLiN72]

How about... Rodney Harrison, Zach Thomas, and Issac Bruce.

IMO, yay on all...what do you think?

yea i say yes for all, but as of late Issac Bruce hasn't done much IMO, but he still is a HOF

[scottyboy]

well, the biggest lock in the NFL is obviously Jeff Feagles :)

[M.O.T.H.]

I still cant belive you have a Jeremy Ito sig...ha. :)

[BaLLiN72]

Feagles is the luckiest man alive, he wore 10 and we drafted manning and then he paid for the feagles's vacation, and then Plax wanted 17 when Feagles wore it and he got an outdoor grill and other things, and the reason why plax wanted 17 is because he signed his contract on that day.

[scottyboy]

I still cant belive you have a Jeremy Ito sig...ha. :)

what can i say, ima Rutgers homer :D

Ito's sweet!

[Acreboy]

Jury's out on McNabb for me.

Probably no, due to the lack of big game clutch

Kurt Warner?
No way on Kurt, he hasn't done enough.

Scotty Pippen?

[M.O.T.H.]

what can i say, ima Rutgers homer :D

Ito's sweet!

I hated him his first year...he was garbage.

[BaLLiN72]

he missed the first fg against Louisville and then there was an offside and he kicked and got it in

[BufFan71]

Pippen- possibly

Takeo Spikes/London Fletcher

[Philliez01]

I hated him his first year...he was garbage.

Ugh, so did I. I was thinking "Schiano went to CA to get this jueee n00b?!", I remember he missed a XP (or a really short FG) against Michigan State. That game, IMO, was the first game that RU should that they could right the ship.

[draftguru151]

I'm not sure. I don't see Law as an all-time great. He has the rings, but he really hasn't been heard from in a while after he left the Pats. I say no.

Donovan McNabb?

I think Law will get in pretty easily. He has the championships, the numbers, the longevity, and he was a premier player for a good amount of time.

[Acreboy]

Craig Bigio/Jeff Bagwell?

[ncst8fan83]

how can there even be a question on pippen? he was a top 50 player of all time. no doubt he gets in.

Andy Pettite?

[fischbowl]

No Way In Hell.

Rafael Palmiero?

[Acreboy]

No Way In Hell.

Rafael Palmiero?He too has been bitten by the steroid bug.

Nope.

[scottyboy]

Pettitte's rings give him a good chance...

Jorge Posada?

[BuckNaked]

Pettitte's rings give him a good chance...

Jorge Posada?

No way, love him but he's not going to make it.

Ichiro?

[rainbeaukid2]

No way, love him but he's not going to make it.

Ichiro?

no because he has never really been on a great team.

Mike Piazza

[Acreboy]

no because he has never really been on a great team.

Mike Piazza
Mike, IMO, is one of the best offensively productive catchers ever.

[BuckNaked]

no because he has never really been on a great team.

Mike Piazza

Yes, he is perhaps the best offensive catcher ever.

Curt Schilling?

[Acreboy]

Yes, he is perhaps the best offensive catcher ever.

Curt Schilling?With his eyes closed.

[YAYareaRB]

Curt Schilling? Yes

Bryant Young?

[nvot9]

Curt Schilling? Yes

Bryant Young?

Not even remotely close. Never dominated the way a HOFer should and with a career high of 11.5 sacks...well no, he has no shot imo.

Chipper Jones?

[Ravens1991]

yes


Ed Reed

[BuckNaked]

yes


Ed Reed

A little early, but if he keeps on this pace, of course.

Fred McGriff

[PACKmanN]

A little early, but if he keeps on this pace, of course.

Fred McGriff

IMO yes. (10)

[Acreboy]

A little early, but if he keeps on this pace, of course.

Fred McGriff
Yes to The Crime Dog

[Ravens1991]

Since Acreboy didnt post one...


Torry Holt?

[Acreboy]

Since Acreboy didnt post one...


Torry Holt?
I think that one was already posted and yes.

[BufFan71]

um..........


Lee Evans? (if he continues)

[jayceheathman]

Craig Bigio/Jeff Bagwell?

Craig Biggio is a lock with his 3,000 plus hits and is in the top 30 for the most doubles all time.

Bagwell is interesting because he was on pace to make it to the Hall of Fame before his shoulder blew out on him. I am going to go out on a limb and say he will make it but just not the first ballot.

Pedro Martinez

[fischbowl]

um..........


Lee Evans? (if he continues)

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SuperMcgee]

um..........


Lee Evans? (if he continues)

Continues what, exactly? And for how long? My god, he's had one good year.

[fischbowl]

Continues what, exactly? And for how long? My god, he's had one good year.

i what BufFan is hinting at is a replication of that year. I believe he has the potential to do just that now that he is the main weapon.

[SuperMcgee]

i what BufFan is hinting at is a replication of that year. I believe he has the potential to do just that now that he is the main weapon.

It is by far the most ridiculous name mentioned in this thread. I know what he meant to continue (that whole one season), but there's just not enough there to say "Can he repeat this for the next decade?"

[Ravens1991]

Craig Biggio is a lock with his 3,000 plus hits and is in the top 30 for the most doubles all time.

Bagwell is interesting because he was on pace to make it to the Hall of Fame before his shoulder blew out on him. I am going to go out on a limb and say he will make it but just not the first ballot.

Pedro Martinez


yea






Steve Hutchinson?

[BufFan71]

i dont want to get into a Lee Evans/ Buffalo Bills discussion
thats what the team boards are for.....


Steve Hutchinson- if plays like he did in Seattle then yes, i dont think he lived up to expectations in MINN

[badgerbacker]

No to Deuce.

Obviously complete speculation but...
Calvin Johnson

[scottyboy]

No to Deuce.

Obviously complete speculation but...
Calvin Johnson

ehh too tough to tell, but i say no, just b/c the odds are most likely against him... but since we're on rookie trail

Brain Leonard? :)

[The Dynasty]

i dont want to get into a Lee Evans/ Buffalo Bills discussion
thats what the team boards are for.....


Steve Hutchinson- if plays like he did in Seattle then yes, i dont think he lived up to expectations in MINN

He didnt live up to Expectations in Minnesota because we are doing a Blocking shecme and mad him run which he isnt quick enough to get the block down and plus it was a new team with new teamates.

[nvot9]

Alright, since there's no other person, I'll put another name up there. Cool thread btw Buck, I like the idea.

This one's kinda tough, but I'd personally lean more towards yes.

Roberto Alomar?

[BuckNaked]

Alright, since there's no other person, I'll put another name up there. Cool thread btw Buck, I like the idea.

This one's kinda tough, but I'd personally lean more towards yes.

Roberto Alomar?

No. He should have just retired when he was on top. Alomar was so bad with the Mets that it sort of ruined him in my eyes.

[fenikz]

Adrian Wilson if he keeps it up?

[yourfavestoner]

Some of the names mentioned in this thread really have me scratching my head...

Kurt Warner? Simeon Rice? Rich Gannon? Zach Thomas? Isaac Bruce? I'm not trying to insult the accomplishments these guys have had in their careers, but come on guys. This is the Hall of Fame we're talking about.

[someone447]

Some of the names mentioned in this thread really have me scratching my head...

Kurt Warner? Simeon Rice? Rich Gannon? Zach Thomas? Isaac Bruce? I'm not trying to insult the accomplishments these guys have had in their careers, but come on guys. This is the Hall of Fame we're talking about.

Zach Thomas and Issac Bruce will get votes, but I don't think they will make it in. The other guys you mentioned won't even get votes.

[nvot9]

Adrian Wilson if he keeps it up?

I'm gunna have to say no way. The HOF is for people who dominated throughout there whole careers. 2005 he dominated, last year he was just good, and before that he stunk. I'm gunna say no, even if he has 5 more years like 2005.

Kevin Mawae ?

[draftguru151]

Mawae, hell yes. He was the best center in the league for a long time.

Also Someone, I think Rice has a legit shot and will definitely get votes. He has 121 career sacks, which is 13th all time for a career (with a 7 sack season can move ino the top 10). He also has a championship and the longevity, as well as being on one of the greatest defenses ever.

[nvot9]

Yea, I think Rice definitely has a chance, his name in general is very underrated, and what I mean by that, is when you say his name, not many people outside of the intelligent fan thinks of him as a dominant player or even knows who he is, but the fact is, he was pretty dominant and valuable.

Sammy Sosa?

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Yea, I think Rice definitely has a chance, his name in general is very underrated, and what I mean by that, is when you say his name, not many people outside of the intelligent fan thinks of him as a dominant player or even knows who he is, but the fact is, he was pretty dominant and valuable.

Sammy Sosa?


Yes, the stats are there, and people don't hate Sammy like they do Big Mac, Bonds, etc.


Barry Bonds, if HE reveals he took steroids knowingly.

[nvot9]

I would say yes absolutely. First off, despite a ton of evidence, right now, saying he is on steroids is purely an assumption, regardless of how positive you are of it, so you can't keep a guy out because you THINK he took steroids for the last 5 years of his career. Even if he admits it though, well I guess it would matter when he took them, but it's pretty obvious he didn't take them for his first 14 seasons, until the year 2000 at least. The guy has countless records, a ridiculous OBP, possibly the HR king of the world (possibly inflated by roids though) a career .299 hitter to boot. I mean he's the definition of a 5-tool player, and maybe the most complete player ever to play the game, 7 ******* MVP titles...that's ridiculous. I say he's guarantee a spot in the hall, regardless of the steroids. He should be in at least..

I'm gunna switch it up a bit now, Brendan Shanahan?

[ncst8fan83]

I would say yes absolutely. First off, despite a ton of evidence, right now, saying he is on steroids is purely an assumption, regardless of how positive you are of it, so you can't keep a guy out because you THINK he took steroids for the last 5 years of his career. Even if he admits it though, well I guess it would matter when he took them, but it's pretty obvious he didn't take them for his first 14 seasons, until the year 2000 at least. The guy has countless records, a ridiculous OBP, possibly the HR king of the world (possibly inflated by roids though) a career .299 hitter to boot. I mean he's the definition of a 5-tool player, and maybe the most complete player ever to play the game, 7 ******* MVP titles...that's ridiculous. I say he's guarantee a spot in the hall, regardless of the steroids. He should be in at least..

I'm gunna switch it up a bit now, Brendan Shanahan?

who?........

[Ravens1991]

Shaun Alexander?

[Moses]

I would say yes absolutely. First off, despite a ton of evidence, right now, saying he is on steroids is purely an assumption, regardless of how positive you are of it, so you can't keep a guy out because you THINK he took steroids for the last 5 years of his career. Even if he admits it though, well I guess it would matter when he took them, but it's pretty obvious he didn't take them for his first 14 seasons, until the year 2000 at least. The guy has countless records, a ridiculous OBP, possibly the HR king of the world (possibly inflated by roids though) a career .299 hitter to boot. I mean he's the definition of a 5-tool player, and maybe the most complete player ever to play the game, 7 ******* MVP titles...that's ridiculous. I say he's guarantee a spot in the hall, regardless of the steroids. He should be in at least..

I'm gunna switch it up a bit now, Brendan Shanahan?

If we can't assume Bonds is on steroids now, how can you assume that he wasn't on them pre-2000?

[nvot9]

If we can't assume Bonds is on steroids now, how can you assume that he wasn't on them pre-2000?

I guess that's a fair question, a bit of a hypocritical statement by me I guess..

[Primetime21]

Shaun Alexander?

If he is used more in the passing game and Seattle keeps adding pieces to their O-line. Then he has a chance of putting up some good numbers. I think Seattle can be a power in the NFC for another 5 years so he could be on his way to maybe 2 more superbowls. Yea I think he will be a Hof.

What about Randy Moss?

[Moses]

If he is used more in the passing game and Seattle keeps adding pieces to their O-line. Then he has a chance of putting up some good numbers. I think Seattle can be a power in the NFC for another 5 years so he could be on his way to maybe 2 more superbowls. Yea I think he will be a Hof.

What about Randy Moss?

Moss should get in. From his rookie season to 2003 he was the most dominant wide receiver in the game. Probably the most unstoppable of all-time.

[nvot9]

Moss should get in. From his rookie season to 2003 he was the most dominant wide receiver in the game. Probably the most unstoppable of all-time.

I wouldn't go as far as to say he's the most unstoppable WR of all-time...that's a bit much. His 2003 year is one of the best years any WR has ever had, that's for sure, but there are better career WR's than Moss from his rookie year to 2003.

[The Dynasty]

Moss should get in. From his rookie season to 2003 he was the most dominant wide receiver in the game. Probably the most unstoppable of all-time.

and he could be back to his form with the patriots too because he will actually care and try for them unlike the raiders. Plus a couple of Superbowl Rings would help him.