View Full Version : Sidney Crosby
I've been a hockey fan all my life, and have played since I was 3. After watching him last night...WOW 1 goal, 5 assists vs. Philadelphia... The most impressive thing was...every goal he was out there, and his passes are so crisp and perfect...it's sick! He's clearly the better player than Ovechkin, but not to discredit him, he is the better scorer, but Crosby can just do it all. Your thoughts Hockey Fans? Who's better?
A little side question...I know it may seem a bit homerish...but could he eventually surpass the Great One, for greatest of all time?
Moses
12-14-2006, 12:12 PM
Crosby is the better all-around player but Ovetchkin is the better scorer and forechecker at this point. Crosby's stats will never be in the same league as Gretzky due to the changes in the game so I doubt he'll ever be seen as better than Gretzky.
sweetness34
12-14-2006, 12:13 PM
Crosby is the better all-around player but Ovetchkin is the better scorer and forechecker at this point. Crosby's stats will never be in the same league as Gretzky due to the changes in the game so I doubt he'll ever be seen as better than Gretzky.
How is that? The new rules increase scoring and numbers. :?
Mr. Stiller
12-14-2006, 12:15 PM
I've been a hockey fan all my life, and have played since I was 3. After watching him last night...WOW 1 goal, 5 assists vs. Philadelphia... The most impressive thing was...every goal he was out there, and his passes are so crisp and perfect...it's sick! He's clearly the better player than Ovechkin, but not to discredit him, he is the better scorer, but Crosby can just do it all. Your thoughts Hockey Fans? Who's better?
A little side question...I know it may seem a bit homerish...but could he eventually surpass the Great One, for greatest of all time?
I think him and the new kid we got this year will be a formidable duo.. As long as the Penguins clean up their Financial issues.
Moses
12-14-2006, 12:20 PM
Crosby is the better all-around player but Ovetchkin is the better scorer and forechecker at this point. Crosby's stats will never be in the same league as Gretzky due to the changes in the game so I doubt he'll ever be seen as better than Gretzky.
How is that? The new rules increase scoring and numbers. :?
I'm talking about the difference in eras between when Gretzky played and Crosby played. Crosby will never come close to 200-point season. It's a different game now.
I've been a hockey fan all my life, and have played since I was 3. After watching him last night...WOW 1 goal, 5 assists vs. Philadelphia... The most impressive thing was...every goal he was out there, and his passes are so crisp and perfect...it's sick! He's clearly the better player than Ovechkin, but not to discredit him, he is the better scorer, but Crosby can just do it all. Your thoughts Hockey Fans? Who's better?
A little side question...I know it may seem a bit homerish...but could he eventually surpass the Great One, for greatest of all time?
I think him and the new kid we got this year will be a formidable duo.. As long as the Penguins clean up their Financial issues.
yea...Evegeni Malkin is a STUD. Reminds me a lot of Lemieux. Good Size, Physical, great scorer. And Jordan Staal (this years 1st rounder) has been outstanding as well. Not to mention Marc-Andre Fleury. In fact...Penguins last 4 rounders, Fleury, Malkin, Crosby, Staal. All are on the team, and are all having great seasons. They have some serious youth talent there.
danman253
12-14-2006, 12:22 PM
With Pitts cap issues i doubt they can keep all 4 of them. If they do, Stanley cup in '08
Moses
12-14-2006, 12:32 PM
I've been a hockey fan all my life, and have played since I was 3. After watching him last night...WOW 1 goal, 5 assists vs. Philadelphia... The most impressive thing was...every goal he was out there, and his passes are so crisp and perfect...it's sick! He's clearly the better player than Ovechkin, but not to discredit him, he is the better scorer, but Crosby can just do it all. Your thoughts Hockey Fans? Who's better?
A little side question...I know it may seem a bit homerish...but could he eventually surpass the Great One, for greatest of all time?
I think him and the new kid we got this year will be a formidable duo.. As long as the Penguins clean up their Financial issues.
yea...Evegeni Malkin is a STUD. Reminds me a lot of Lemieux. Good Size, Physical, great scorer. And Jordan Staal (this years 1st rounder) has been outstanding as well. Not to mention Marc-Andre Fleury. In fact...Penguins last 4 rounders, Fleury, Malkin, Crosby, Staal. All are on the team, and are all having great seasons. They have some serious youth talent there.
Now all they have to do is move out of Pittsburgh and into Kitchener-Waterloo. :twisted:
sweetness34
12-14-2006, 12:42 PM
Crosby is the better all-around player but Ovetchkin is the better scorer and forechecker at this point. Crosby's stats will never be in the same league as Gretzky due to the changes in the game so I doubt he'll ever be seen as better than Gretzky.
How is that? The new rules increase scoring and numbers. :?
I'm talking about the difference in eras between when Gretzky played and Crosby played. Crosby will never come close to 200-point season. It's a different game now.
It's a more offensive game now. How many points did Crosby have last year, I know he had over 100. But this kid is only going to get better and better each season. He'll break it IMO.
Moses
12-14-2006, 12:48 PM
Crosby is the better all-around player but Ovetchkin is the better scorer and forechecker at this point. Crosby's stats will never be in the same league as Gretzky due to the changes in the game so I doubt he'll ever be seen as better than Gretzky.
How is that? The new rules increase scoring and numbers. :?
I'm talking about the difference in eras between when Gretzky played and Crosby played. Crosby will never come close to 200-point season. It's a different game now.
It's a more offensive game now. How many points did Crosby have last year, I know he had over 100. But this kid is only going to get better and better each season. He'll break it IMO.
Sorry, but you have no idea what you're talking about. If you think the NHL is more offensive now than it was in Gretzky's era you are simply clueless. Gretzky has an unbreakable record unless Crosby is planning on playing 30 seasons at an extremely high level.
sweetness34
12-14-2006, 01:33 PM
Crosby is the better all-around player but Ovetchkin is the better scorer and forechecker at this point. Crosby's stats will never be in the same league as Gretzky due to the changes in the game so I doubt he'll ever be seen as better than Gretzky.
How is that? The new rules increase scoring and numbers. :?
I'm talking about the difference in eras between when Gretzky played and Crosby played. Crosby will never come close to 200-point season. It's a different game now.
It's a more offensive game now. How many points did Crosby have last year, I know he had over 100. But this kid is only going to get better and better each season. He'll break it IMO.
Sorry, but you have no idea what you're talking about. If you think the NHL is more offensive now than it was in Gretzky's era you are simply clueless. Gretzky has an unbreakable record unless Crosby is planning on playing 30 seasons at an extremely high level.
:roll:
Simply clueless huh. Considering the rules were made for the game to be more offensive, and considering goal totals and offense have been up since the lockout, yep I'm clueless. I'm not talking about career, I was talking single season, which was what I thought you were talking about. I doubt he breaks his career record but I think Crosby can get 200 points in a season and break Wayne's.
MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
12-14-2006, 01:39 PM
Crosby is the better all-around player but Ovetchkin is the better scorer and forechecker at this point. Crosby's stats will never be in the same league as Gretzky due to the changes in the game so I doubt he'll ever be seen as better than Gretzky.
How is that? The new rules increase scoring and numbers. :?
I'm talking about the difference in eras between when Gretzky played and Crosby played. Crosby will never come close to 200-point season. It's a different game now.
It's a more offensive game now. How many points did Crosby have last year, I know he had over 100. But this kid is only going to get better and better each season. He'll break it IMO.
Sorry, but you have no idea what you're talking about. If you think the NHL is more offensive now than it was in Gretzky's era you are simply clueless. Gretzky has an unbreakable record unless Crosby is planning on playing 30 seasons at an extremely high level.
:roll:
Simply clueless huh. Considering the rules were made for the game to be more offensive, and considering goal totals and offense have been up since the lockout, yep I'm clueless. I'm not talking about career, I was talking single season, which was what I thought you were talking about. I doubt he breaks his career record but I think Crosby can get 200 points in a season and break Wayne's.
They didn't make the rules to open up the game from what Gretzky played in, they opened it up from the New Jersey trap style of hockey, where there were VERY few goals. The new NHL STILL isn't as wide open as it was in the 80s. No way he makes it to a 200 point season. It just isn't possible in today's league.
Moses
12-14-2006, 02:19 PM
Crosby is the better all-around player but Ovetchkin is the better scorer and forechecker at this point. Crosby's stats will never be in the same league as Gretzky due to the changes in the game so I doubt he'll ever be seen as better than Gretzky.
How is that? The new rules increase scoring and numbers. :?
I'm talking about the difference in eras between when Gretzky played and Crosby played. Crosby will never come close to 200-point season. It's a different game now.
It's a more offensive game now. How many points did Crosby have last year, I know he had over 100. But this kid is only going to get better and better each season. He'll break it IMO.
Sorry, but you have no idea what you're talking about. If you think the NHL is more offensive now than it was in Gretzky's era you are simply clueless. Gretzky has an unbreakable record unless Crosby is planning on playing 30 seasons at an extremely high level.
:roll:
Simply clueless huh. Considering the rules were made for the game to be more offensive, and considering goal totals and offense have been up since the lockout, yep I'm clueless. I'm not talking about career, I was talking single season, which was what I thought you were talking about. I doubt he breaks his career record but I think Crosby can get 200 points in a season and break Wayne's.
They didn't make the rules to open up the game from what Gretzky played in, they opened it up from the New Jersey trap style of hockey, where there were VERY few goals. The new NHL STILL isn't as wide open as it was in the 80s. No way he makes it to a 200 point season. It just isn't possible in today's league.
Thank you, somebody who knows what they're talking about. Last year the top scorer had 125 points. Do you think Crosby will somehow magically score 216 points (100 more points than the leading scorer last year, who is a far superior player to Crosby) playing the same style of hockey? It's just not possible. So yes, you are clueless.
Eaglez.Fan
12-14-2006, 02:26 PM
Crosby is better than Ovechkin. But Alexander the Great is very good. Crosby will never break any of Gretzky's records, and if he does he won't be accepted as the best player of all-time because of the scoring freindly rules.
Pitsburg will be good with Fluery, Malkin and Crosby but Staal is an average player and won't be anything special
Crosby is better than Ovechkin. But Alexander the Great is very good. Crosby will never break any of Gretzky's records, and if he does he won't be accepted as the best player of all-time because of the scoring freindly rules.
Pitsburg will be good with Fluery, Malkin and Crosby but Staal is an average player and won't be anything special
your average :evil:
Fleury, Staal, Crosby, and Malkin is what you get when you get a Top 3 pick for four straight years (although, admittedly, we passed up on Eric Staal in '03 to get Fleury).
And to the poll question, who do you think I'll say?
roughrider30
12-14-2006, 04:44 PM
Crosby is the better all-around player but Ovetchkin is the better scorer and forechecker at this point. Crosby's stats will never be in the same league as Gretzky due to the changes in the game so I doubt he'll ever be seen as better than Gretzky.
How is that? The new rules increase scoring and numbers. :?
I'm talking about the difference in eras between when Gretzky played and Crosby played. Crosby will never come close to 200-point season. It's a different game now.
It's a more offensive game now. How many points did Crosby have last year, I know he had over 100. But this kid is only going to get better and better each season. He'll break it IMO.
Sorry, but you have no idea what you're talking about. If you think the NHL is more offensive now than it was in Gretzky's era you are simply clueless. Gretzky has an unbreakable record unless Crosby is planning on playing 30 seasons at an extremely high level.
:roll:
Simply clueless huh. Considering the rules were made for the game to be more offensive, and considering goal totals and offense have been up since the lockout, yep I'm clueless. I'm not talking about career, I was talking single season, which was what I thought you were talking about. I doubt he breaks his career record but I think Crosby can get 200 points in a season and break Wayne's.
They didn't make the rules to open up the game from what Gretzky played in, they opened it up from the New Jersey trap style of hockey, where there were VERY few goals. The new NHL STILL isn't as wide open as it was in the 80s. No way he makes it to a 200 point season. It just isn't possible in today's league.
Thank you, somebody who knows what they're talking about. Last year the top scorer had 125 points. Do you think Crosby will somehow magically score 216 points (100 more points than the leading scorer last year, who is a far superior player to Crosby) playing the same style of hockey? It's just not possible. So yes, you are clueless.
A big reason for that has to be the difference in pads for now compared to then. Look at the pads that goalies used to wear back then they really didnt cover much. The league made restrictions to the size of goalies pads a couple years ago, but they are still over sized and goalies still cover much more net than they did back in the 80s. This has to be one of the bigger reasons for amount of scoring then and now.
Jagr and Thorton both had great years last year and they werent close to Gretzky's record. It will not be broken.
SuperMcgee
12-14-2006, 05:49 PM
With Pitts cap issues i doubt they can keep all 4 of them. If they do, Stanley cup in '08
A deep, rounded, well-coached team has a million times better chance at a Cup than a team with a handful of superstars (also, I'd say Staal has a while to go anyway). Pittsburgh has to do some pulling together before they can approach the Cup
SuperMcgee
12-14-2006, 05:50 PM
Poll purposes: Crosby
but somehow that can only be expected from me
draftguru151
12-14-2006, 05:50 PM
I thought this was about the kicker. :lol:
rocco31fb
12-14-2006, 06:03 PM
Love both players, but Crosby is the most well-rounded player. Anyone can score goals (maybe not as pretty as Ovechkin) but the way Crosby can see the ice and set-up ANYONE, makes him the games best player. Loved the game last night. Anytime you get a chance to watch Crosby or Ovech, don't pass it up.
Sid the Kid is the real thing.
Tubby
12-14-2006, 06:30 PM
Oven chin easily
Wait, this isnt a best name thread? Sorry, my votes already cast
sweetness34
12-14-2006, 07:05 PM
I'll predict Sidney does break the record, or at least come very close. I know I'm going to take a lot of flack for it but I don't care. I'll stick with my prediction Moses. :D
Moses
12-14-2006, 07:07 PM
I'll predict Sidney does break the record, or at least come very close. I know I'm going to take a lot of flack for it but I don't care. I'll stick with my prediction Moses. :D
I'll predict that Tomlinson will score 80 rushing touchdowns next season. Anybody can make a flatout stupid prediction. :P
sweetness34
12-14-2006, 07:09 PM
I'll predict Sidney does break the record, or at least come very close. I know I'm going to take a lot of flack for it but I don't care. I'll stick with my prediction Moses. :D
I'll predict that Tomlinson will score 80 rushing touchdowns next season. Anybody can make a flatout stupid prediction. :P
Sidney has yet to reach his potential, and I think he's got a shot. Not saying he will but he's got a shot. :D
Moses
12-14-2006, 07:13 PM
I'll predict Sidney does break the record, or at least come very close. I know I'm going to take a lot of flack for it but I don't care. I'll stick with my prediction Moses. :D
I'll predict that Tomlinson will score 80 rushing touchdowns next season. Anybody can make a flatout stupid prediction. :P
Sidney has yet to reach his potential, and I think he's got a shot. Not saying he will but he's got a shot. :D
It's not his talent. It's the fact that NOBODY will ever score 200 points again, unless the game changes dramatically.
Eaglez.Fan
12-14-2006, 07:32 PM
It's true what Moses is saying. Most people think that the NHL is so wide-open now. And offensive but when Wayne was playing it was alot more wide-open and more offensive. The goalies weren't as good and didn't have as big pads. Crosby will be good but no Wayne Gretzky
HawkeyeFan
12-14-2006, 07:38 PM
http://mas.scripps.com/DRMN/2006/01/20/432933358-_o.jpg
Marek Svatos
Eaglez.Fan
12-14-2006, 07:39 PM
http://mas.scripps.com/DRMN/2006/01/20/432933358-_o.jpg
Marek Svatos
Okay?
I hope ur not suggesting Svatos is anywere near these two :roll:
HawkeyeFan
12-14-2006, 07:40 PM
Nope, just reppin' my fav. player.
Definately Crosby.
Philliez01
12-14-2006, 07:42 PM
The NHL is in a good stage of offense but Gretzky's point total is much like DiMaggio's hitting streak, some people may get some stage but no one is going to break it unless they extended the game, period length or take out goalies for a period. Crosby is beyond talented but the all-around play of players may also be at a higher rate due to the athleticism of some of the goalies.
Anyway, as a Flyers fan, the team just looks pitiful all over. There are some bright spots in Gagne, Knuble, Sanderson (when he was healthy), Picard and even Umberger but the rest of the team is just from the AHL. The injuries have taken it's toll, yes as it is part of the problem but the fact is Boyd Kane, Niko Dimitrakos, Martin Grenier are not NHL players. But I do love Ryan Potulny and want to see how he can develop!
Eaglez.Fan
12-14-2006, 07:44 PM
The NHL is in a good stage of offense but Gretzky's point total is much like DiMaggio's hitting streak, some people may get some stage but no one is going to break it unless they extended the game, period length or take out goalies for a period. Crosby is beyond talented but the all-around play of players may also be at a higher rate due to the athleticism of some of the goalies.
Anyway, as a Flyers fan, the team just looks pitiful all over. There are some bright spots in Gagne, Knuble, Sanderson (when he was healthy), Picard and even Umberger but the rest of the team is just from the AHL. The injuries have taken it's toll, yes as it is part of the problem but the fact is Boyd Kane, Niko Dimitrakos, Martin Grenier are not NHL players. But I do love Ryan Potulny and want to see how he can develop!
Pop in the NHL Discussion thread once in a while
Belish
12-14-2006, 09:11 PM
A big reason for that has to be the difference in pads for now compared to then. Look at the pads that goalies used to wear back then they really didnt cover much. The league made restrictions to the size of goalies pads a couple years ago, but they are still over sized and goalies still cover much more net than they did back in the 80s. This has to be one of the bigger reasons for amount of scoring then and now.
Jagr and Thorton both had great years last year and they werent close to Gretzky's record. It will not be broken.
Great post. For you visual learners:
Patrick Roy in 1986ish
http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nhl/montreal/Royhabs2.jpg
Patrick Roy in 2003ish
http://img.search.com/2/2b/300px-Patrick_roy.jpg
Just look at the leg pads and the trapper. In '86 the trapper was pretty much a baseball mitt with an extra piece in the wrist.
sweetness34
12-14-2006, 09:16 PM
I'll predict Sidney does break the record, or at least come very close. I know I'm going to take a lot of flack for it but I don't care. I'll stick with my prediction Moses. :D
I'll predict that Tomlinson will score 80 rushing touchdowns next season. Anybody can make a flatout stupid prediction. :P
Sidney has yet to reach his potential, and I think he's got a shot. Not saying he will but he's got a shot. :D
It's not his talent. It's the fact that NOBODY will ever score 200 points again, unless the game changes dramatically.
I'm sticking to my prediction :D (even though I may be wrong). :(
From what ive seen Alex
You haven't seen much then have you...
SuperMcgee
12-14-2006, 09:53 PM
Gretzky has almost 1000 points over the #2 guy (Messier) on the all time points list
To catch him, Crosby would need to average almost 150 points per season over a 20 year career.
This season at age 19, Crosby is averaging about 1.75 points per game. If he were to play in 20 FULL seasons (including last year), and kept up that monstrous pace, then he would finsih with an estimated approximate total of 2828 points. Gretzky finished his career with 2857. Factor in imropovement as a player, injuries, and the wear and tear of 20 season in the league, and who really knows. I'll say I highly highly doubt he does it, and he would have to play in a substantial number more games than Gretzky did to have any chance
Gretzky has almost 1000 points over the #2 guy (Messier) on the all time points list
To catch him, Crosby would need to average almost 150 points per season over a 20 year career.
This season at age 19, Crosby is averaging about 1.75 points per game. If he were to play in 20 FULL seasons (including last year), and kept up that monstrous pace, then he would finsih with an estimated approximate total of 2828 points. Gretzky finished his career with 2857. Factor in imropovement as a player, injuries, and the wear and tear of 20 season in the league, and who really knows. I'll say I highly highly doubt he does it, and he would have to play in a substantial number more games than Gretzky did to have any chance
It's doubtful...but not out of the question...but no, Gretzky will remain the greates
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