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sdpads24
06-29-2007, 08:37 PM
Anyone else check out this thing they did on sports center? Interesting. I'm definitely now a bigger fan of Eric Allen. Link (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2905182)

AFC

Best offense in the AFC?
Eric Allen: San Diego Chargers
The best offense in this conference still belongs to the Chargers, despite the additions the New England Patriots made in the offseason. There is no doubt the Patriots did a great job adding explosive and complementary players to their offense. But the Chargers still have the best running back in football, LaDainian Tomlinson, and with Michael Turner returning, they might have the best running back tandem in the league. They also have the best tight end in the game in Antonio Gates.

Mark Schlereth: Chargers
The Chargers are just a better offensively than any other team in the conference. The reason for that is very simple: LaDainian Tomlinson. In some ways it is very similar to when I was with the Denver Broncos when we had Terrell Davis at running back. It didn't really matter what else we did, as long as we got the ball in Davis' hands.

Merril Hoge: Indianapolis Colts
The Colts are the pick here because of their ability to attack from every level and play explosive or plodding football. It's important for teams to be able to mix it up and do more than one thing. The Colts have one of most versatile offenses in the league. They can drop back with Peyton Manning and fling the ball downfield in a shootout or run all over the place with Joseph Addai. Last year we saw Manning play smarter football in terms of settling for the underneath receiver instead of always attacking downfield. I expect that Manning will continue playing that way coming off a Super Bowl victory.

Joe Theismann: New England Patriots
Tom Brady proved what he could do without playmaking receivers last season. Now we get to see him with the best receiving corps of his career. This is a group that will know its roles by opening day and be able to execute them from the get-go. New England's offense will be the most explosive in the league. Don't expect huge numbers from any particular receiver. Brady, however, could post MVP-type stats.

Best defense in the AFC?
Allen: Chargers
This is a tough call because the Chargers and Patriots are so close. They both are aggressive defenses that can dominate the tempo of opposing teams and win games by themselves. But the Chargers get the nod because although they aren't as versatile as the Patriots, they are far more aggressive. They also could be better that the Pats at all three levels (depending on the contract situation of Patriots' CB Asante Samuel).

Schlereth: Chargers
The Chargers defense is absolutely fierce and that's why they get the nod. San Diego has a myriad of players who can get pressure on the quarterback from any part of the field. If a team does get a ball in the air, it is dealing with one of the better defensive backfields in the league.

Hoge: Dolphins
The Dolphins have an aggressive, versatile and passionate defense that has only gotten much better with the addition of former Steelers' linebacker Joey Porter. He plays with the type of motor that you only see on large machinery, as he never gives up or takes a play off. That attitude was infectious in Pittsburgh and it should be in Miami.

Theismann: Patriots
The Patriots defense was already a fierce group of guys before the signing of Adalius Thomas, but now it's the best in the conference. I'm excited to see how Bill Belichick utilizes Thomas' ability with his defensive schemes.

Best team in the AFC?
Allen: Chargers
The Chargers get the nod here. They are the most complete team in football and don't have some of the nagging issues that other teams have personnel-wise. Obviously this was a very turbulent offseason for San Diego. The hiring of former offensive coordinator Norv Turner as the head coach, however, should keep some level of normalcy in San Diego and allow this team to continue its ascent.

Schlereth: Patriots
The Patriots are the pick in a tight race because of their aggressive and smart offseason. This wasn't just a team with some money to burn acquiring a bunch of random big-name players; New England's plan took into account the production that could be expected from each player in its system. That's the way a team should attack free agency and it may payoff with a Super Bowl berth.

Hoge: Chargers
The Chargers have more youth, balance and depth than New England, which is why San Diego is my pick. The football season is one in which a team has to be ready for all sorts of unexpected problems and injuries. In spite of some inexperience at the skill positions, the Chargers are capable of handling adverse situations. The way this team handled the loss of Shawne Merriman to a league suspension last season told me a lot about its moxie. The Chargers stuck together at a time when a lot of pundits were declaring their season lost.

Theismann: Patriots
The Patriots are not only the best team in the conference, but in the league. This coaching staff has to be salivating at the possibility of utilizing this new receiving corps and Randy Moss in particular. Defensively, Adalius Thomas will give the Pats even more playmaking ability from the linebacker position.

BigDawg819
06-29-2007, 08:51 PM
The sheer fact that the Ravens' Defense isn't listed makes this list a sham.

HoopsDemon12
06-29-2007, 08:59 PM
The sheer fact that the Ravens' Defense isn't listed makes this list a sham.

agreed... they deserve to be on their more than miami

BigDawg819
06-29-2007, 09:01 PM
agreed... they deserve to be on their more than miami

The fact that Miami is even listed shows Hoge's incompetence.

JK17
06-29-2007, 11:19 PM
Yeah, I'm a big Charger fan and all, but I like Baltimore's defense a hell of a lot....its hard to say more then I like SD's because everyone will go with their team, but how Baltimore doesn't get a mention there is beyond me.

Also a little suprised Indy got no love as far as best team, a little weird for reigning Super Bowl Champs.

bantx
07-02-2007, 05:12 AM
chargers still had a solid defensive season best offensive (with no WR) we are superbowl bound this year no doubt

BigDawg819
07-02-2007, 09:40 AM
chargers still had a solid defensive season best offensive (with no WR) we are superbowl bound this year no doubt

You're not getting by the Ravens, no way, no how.

bantx
07-02-2007, 07:44 PM
You're not getting by the Ravens, no way, no how.

one of the best offensive team vs one of the best defensive team. but chargers still have a solid defense and the ravens offense theres not much to say, so im we have the better team :]

Going into the 2007/2008 season we're one of the most solid team. kept all of the offensive lineman so its gonna be great chemistry offensively

JK17
07-02-2007, 11:34 PM
one of the best offensive team vs one of the best defensive team. but chargers still have a solid defense and the ravens offense theres not much to say, so im we have the better team :]

Going into the 2007/2008 season we're one of the most solid team. kept all of the offensive lineman so its gonna be great chemistry offensively

Should be an exciting season....I really can't wait to see Rivers in his second year.

BigDawg819
07-02-2007, 11:38 PM
one of the best offensive team vs one of the best defensive team. but chargers still have a solid defense and the ravens offense theres not much to say, so im we have the better team :]

Going into the 2007/2008 season we're one of the most solid team. kept all of the offensive lineman so its gonna be great chemistry offensively

We beat you last year and we'll do it again this year!

JK17
07-02-2007, 11:41 PM
We beat you last year and we'll do it again this year!

Touche....

although I do remember I think it was Ray Lewis/Ed Reed (one of the two) who said "Thank god they stuck to MartyBall because that Rivers kid can play".

BigDawg819
07-02-2007, 11:44 PM
Touche....

although I do remember I think it was Ray Lewis/Ed Reed (one of the two) who said "Thank god they stuck to MartyBall because that Rivers kid can play".

Yeah Marty had a hand in it but the bottomline is we got the W. And unlike last year we know what to expect out of Rivers and company so we will be even better prepared. Rex Ryan with more info to scheme against you, I'd be scared!

JK17
07-02-2007, 11:49 PM
Yeah Marty had a hand in it but the bottomline is we got the W. And unlike last year we know what to expect out of Rivers and company so we will be even better prepared. Rex Ryan with more info to scheme against you, I'd be scared!

Yeah, McNair is really striking a ton of fear in me right now...

BigDawg819
07-03-2007, 12:09 AM
Yeah, McNair is really striking a ton of fear in me right now...

What does that old man have to do with Rex Ryan and the defense? Nice try at a putdown.........NOT!

JK17
07-03-2007, 12:18 AM
What does that old man have to do with Rex Ryan and the defense? Nice try at a putdown.........NOT!

I'm sure Ryan will shut down the offense like that too....

One of the best O-Lines in football, the best RB in football, the best FB in football, the best TE in football, and top 7-10 QB. I'm sure he can just snap his fingers and shut that down. Unstoppable force vs. immovable object....immovable object gets moved.

Even assuming he limits us to 17 points, just give you the benefit of the doubt, you still need old man McNair to top that. What with the inconsistent Willis McGahee in the backfield, and a couple of unproven WRs I'm sure that'll be no problem. The O-Line is decent, and Heap is great, but your dreaming if you think Merriman and Phillips won't have a field day...Oh not to mention Castillo, Jamal Williams, and Olshansky...

Ravens are a top five team, but I'm not worried about us taking them.

BigDawg819
07-03-2007, 12:27 AM
I'm sure Ryan will shut down the offense like that too....

One of the best O-Lines in football, the best RB in football, the best FB in football, the best TE in football, and top 7-10 QB. I'm sure he can just snap his fingers and shut that down. Unstoppable force vs. immovable object....immovable object gets moved.

Even assuming he limits us to 17 points, just give you the benefit of the doubt, you still need old man McNair to top that. What with the inconsistent Willis McGahee in the backfield, and a couple of unproven WRs I'm sure that'll be no problem. The O-Line is decent, and Heap is great, but your dreaming if you think Merriman and Phillips won't have a field day...Oh not to mention Castillo, Jamal Williams, and Olshansky...

Ravens are a top five team, but I'm not worried about us taking them.


Juice Monkey, I mean Merrimam got owned my Ogden once and history will repeat itself once again. Phillips? Please don't kid yourself. Your boy Rivers will be on his back so much it won't be funny so there goes your offensive threat. As for our offense, keep sleeping on Clayton and Williams. They'll see you in the endzone.

JK17
07-03-2007, 12:32 AM
Juice Monkey, I mean Merrimam got owned my Ogden once and history will repeat itself once again. Phillips? Please don't kid yourself. Your boy Rivers will be on his back so much it won't be funny so there goes your offensive threat. As for our offense, keep sleeping on Clayton and Williams. They'll see you in the endzone.

Wow. Clever knock on Merriman. Right, kid myself on Phillips, yeah its not like he was impressive this year or anything. And those three other D-Linemen are horrible, lets not worry about them.

Oh yeah, and Rivers will be on his back all day, there goes our offensive threat. I'm sure McNeill Dielman Hardwick Goff and Olivea will just let that happens also. Neal isn't a good blocker or anything either, so he probably won't come close to being able to protect either, neither is that 300 pound TE Manu either. Anyways, its a good thing we don't have a lot of quick dump off options who can take it to the house every play like Gates or LT. I guess LT isn't much of a threat anymore either, if neutralizing Rivers takes away the offense.

Clayton? Williams? Decent guys. Eh, I'm not worried. I'll keep sleeping on them. But I guess we'll just have to wait til this year won't we. Hopefully McNair can make it to opening day. Him, Lewis and Ogden should be getting their social security checks soon too, right?

BigDawg819
07-03-2007, 01:17 AM
Wow. Clever knock on Merriman. Right, kid myself on Phillips, yeah its not like he was impressive this year or anything. And those three other D-Linemen are horrible, lets not worry about them.

Oh yeah, and Rivers will be on his back all day, there goes our offensive threat. I'm sure McNeill Dielman Hardwick Goff and Olivea will just let that happens also. Neal isn't a good blocker or anything either, so he probably won't come close to being able to protect either, neither is that 300 pound TE Manu either. Anyways, its a good thing we don't have a lot of quick dump off options who can take it to the house every play like Gates or LT. I guess LT isn't much of a threat anymore either, if neutralizing Rivers takes away the offense.

Clayton? Williams? Decent guys. Eh, I'm not worried. I'll keep sleeping on them. But I guess we'll just have to wait til this year won't we. Hopefully McNair can make it to opening day. Him, Lewis and Ogden should be getting their social security checks soon too, right?

Are you using my sarcasm bit? I think you are? Calling Lewis old? When is 32 old? Oh by the way, bash McNair all you want I hate him.

bantx
07-03-2007, 01:34 AM
we have so many weapons on our offense now who's going stop all of them!!

check the sig explains it all

BigDawg819
07-03-2007, 01:41 AM
we have so many weapons on our offense now who's going stop all of them!!

check the sig explains it all

I don't know:

Trevor Pryce
Haloti Ngata
Kelly Gregg
Terrell Suggs
Bart Scott
Ray Lewis
Jarrett Johnson
Chris McAllister
Dawan Landry
Ed Reed
Samari Rolle

bantx
07-03-2007, 01:48 AM
I don't know:

Trevor Pryce
Haloti Ngata
Kelly Gregg
Terrell Suggs
Bart Scott
Ray Lewis
Jarrett Johnson
Chris McAllister
Dawan Landry
Ed Reed
Samari Rolle

our weapons on offense outweigh weapons u have on defense :]

LT counts as at least 8 people lol

BigDawg819
07-03-2007, 01:50 AM
our weapons on offense outweigh weapons u have on defense :]

LT counts as at least 8 people lol

If you believe that your O is better then our D then I have some land I'd like to sell you.

JK17
07-03-2007, 09:30 AM
If you believe that your O is better then our D then I have some land I'd like to sell you.

If you believe your D shuts down on a top 5 offense, arguablly number 1 overall, without a problem, then I don't think you have any right to accuse anyone else of being gullible. If you think that your O has any better of a chance of scoring on our D....then you really don't have any place calling anyone else gullible.

Average OT LB
07-07-2007, 03:14 PM
I don't know:

Trevor Pryce
Haloti Ngata
Kelly Gregg
Terrell Suggs
Bart Scott
Ray Lewis
Jarrett Johnson
Chris McAllister
Dawan Landry
Ed Reed
Samari Rolle


those look like a bunch of over rated players mixed in with some dinosaurs..

Ravens1991
07-07-2007, 03:18 PM
If you believe your D shuts down on a top 5 offense, arguablly number 1 overall, without a problem, then I don't think you have any right to accuse anyone else of being gullible. If you think that your O has any better of a chance of scoring on our D....then you really don't have any place calling anyone else gullible.

We did very good against your offense last year and Suggs was injured that game.

JT Jag
07-07-2007, 03:22 PM
Fun fact:

The Jaguars and the Ravens possess the only defensive units that have ranked in the top-10 in both points and yards allowed for 3 consecutive seasons.

Why NEITHER are listed BAFFLES me.

Average OT LB
07-07-2007, 03:24 PM
We did very good against your offense last year and Suggs was injured that game.

that was kinda early in the season wasn't it.. i think we ended the season pretty strong on a long winning streak. Plus remember that rivers took a while to get started and most charger players point to the baltimore game as the game he showed them he was for real. Also its a general consensus among charger fans that the coaching staff layed an egg in that game.. and its the only reason why we lost... that and todd heap is a monster

BigDawg819
07-07-2007, 03:39 PM
those look like a bunch of over rated players mixed in with some dinosaurs..

Or it looks like the reigning #1 Defense in the NFL. Since you're new here, I might give you some slack, but so far your NFL knowledge seems to be extremely lacking.

Ravens1991
07-07-2007, 03:43 PM
that was kinda early in the season wasn't it.. i think we ended the season pretty strong on a long winning streak. Plus remember that rivers took a while to get started and most charger players point to the baltimore game as the game he showed them he was for real. Also its a general consensus among charger fans that the coaching staff layed an egg in that game.. and its the only reason why we lost... that and todd heap is a monster

we ended the regular season strong also, our o-line and offense was doing a ton better w/ Billick calling plays.

sdpads24
07-07-2007, 04:19 PM
Or it looks like the reigning #1 Defense in the NFL. Since you're new here, I might give you some slack, but so far your NFL knowledge seems to be extremely lacking.

I don't think his nfl knowledge is lacking. I think your being a homer and overrating your players. I don't really understand what all you guys are arguing about, I think it's a general consensus from nfl fans that the chargers are a better team than the ravens and i don't think this is the right place to argue about that.

BigDawg819
07-07-2007, 04:31 PM
I don't think his nfl knowledge is lacking. I think your being a homer and overrating your players. I don't really understand what all you guys are arguing about, I think it's a general consensus from nfl fans that the chargers are a better team than the ravens and i don't think this is the right place to argue about that.


How exactly can you overrate the #1 Defense in the NFL? That's not being a homer that's knowing the truth. Maybe you should realize that the Ravens' D has done it year in and year out, unlike the Chargers.

sdpads24
07-07-2007, 04:44 PM
How exactly can you overrate the #1 Defense in the NFL? That's not being a homer that's knowing the truth. Maybe you should realize that the Ravens' D has done it year in and year out, unlike the Chargers.

I never said that the Ravens defense is overrated nor did I ever mention anything about them not doing it ''year in and year out''. I'm not proclaiming the chargers team as the best team in the nfl and it's a bit early to be proclaiming the ravens defense as the best in the nfl. As far as your neg rep comment that I received from you, I don't think it's that appropriate of ravens fans to come in this thread and declare yourselfs the best defensive team in another teams thread. Keep the homer notions in your own team thread please.

Average OT LB
07-07-2007, 04:45 PM
How exactly can you overrate the #1 Defense in the NFL? That's not being a homer that's knowing the truth. Maybe you should realize that the Ravens' D has done it year in and year out, unlike the Chargers.


you can easily overrate the number 2 defense (chicago) in the nfl... especially if they lost a guy to the pats who was pretty good.. and if they're getting old in some key spots

The chargers on the other hand have only one weakness and thats the newly vacant safety spot. Mccree was solid any fan would tell you that, the LB core is arguably better than the ravens although the experience at MLB is now lacking. If the ravens are the second best defense in the league.. the chargers surely arent too far behind

BigDawg819
07-07-2007, 05:05 PM
I never said that the Ravens defense is overrated nor did I ever mention anything about them not doing it ''year in and year out''. I'm not proclaiming the chargers team as the best team in the nfl and it's a bit early to be proclaiming the ravens defense as the best in the nfl. As far as your neg rep comment that I received from you, I don't think it's that appropriate of ravens fans to come in this thread and declare yourselfs the best defensive team in another teams thread. Keep the homer notions in your own team thread please.

First of all, anyone is allowed to post anywhere on this thread so deal with it. Second of all its not overreaching to declare them the #1 Defense since they are the reigning #1 Defense until proven otherwise. Thirdly what you may think is appropriate is irrelevant. And lastly you did say that I am overrating my players and the only players I mentioned were the defense that you referred to so your whole 1st sentence is nonsense. Once again you are wrong, but thanks for playing the game!

BigDawg819
07-07-2007, 05:09 PM
you can easily overrate the number 2 defense (chicago) in the nfl... especially if they lost a guy to the pats who was pretty good.. and if they're getting old in some key spots

The chargers on the other hand have only one weakness and thats the newly vacant safety spot. Mccree was solid any fan would tell you that, the LB core is arguably better than the ravens although the experience at MLB is now lacking. If the ravens are the second best defense in the league.. the chargers surely arent too far behind


One guy does not make our defense, so assuming that the loss of AD will immensely hurt us is nonsense. What's even more ridiculous is to say your linebackers are better then ours. To say that makes you lose even more credibility in my eyes. The main thing your D did last year was sack the QB, guess what we do pretty much everything. We stuff the run, sack the QB, contain the pass, etc, etc. Once again thanks for playing the game, we have some lovely parting gifts for you.

sdpads24
07-07-2007, 05:13 PM
First of all, anyone is allowed to post anywhere on this thread so deal with it. Second of all its not overreaching to declare them the #1 Defense since they are the reigning #1 Defense until proven otherwise. Thirdly what you may think is appropriate is irrelevant. And lastly you did say that I am overrating my players and the only players I mentioned were the defense that you referred to so your whole 1st sentence is nonsense. Once again you are wrong, but thanks for playing the game!

I'm not going to argue anymore, but I will say that I can't wait for Nov. 25.

BigDawg819
07-07-2007, 05:14 PM
I'm not going to argue anymore, but I will say that I can't wait for Nov. 25.

Hard to argue when I have facts and figures on my side. As for the 25th, odd you can't wait for a loss?

sdpads24
07-07-2007, 05:20 PM
Hard to argue when I have facts and figures on my side. As for the 25th, odd you can't wait for a loss?

It really is odd that I can't wait for a loss. That would make me a real good fan wouldn't it.

JK17
07-07-2007, 05:29 PM
Hard to argue when I have facts and figures on my side. As for the 25th, odd you can't wait for a loss?

There's really no need to come to the Chargers team forum, just to brag about the Ravens, you can do that in the Baltimore team forum.

Intelligent discussion I don't care where you do it, but what do you expect to happen when you come into a Charger forum, us to just bow down and say that your the #1 defense in the NFL and we have no hopes of stopping you? I've already said, in this thread that Baltimore's defense is ridiculous and I can't believe they weren't given more credit in the article.

But we're not just going to say you'll destroy us, when first of all, the consensus amongst most fans is San Diego is a better team, not defense. Will it be a good game? Of course. But don't come in here, tell us we have no hopes of scoring on you, you'll be able to score on us, and we won't be able to win. That's not only ridiculous, but thats just trying to provoke an argument where there doesn't have to be one.

Again, I'm not knocking your D, but you saying you have the #1 defense in the league reigning, can be just as easily combatted by us saying we have the reigning #1 offense in the league, so its a moot point. On top of that, we played you in the third game of last season, so before you can say we shut you down last year, even though you didn't have Suggs, you had Rivers while he was still very green, LT before he clicked last year, our WR core before they caught on, and our OL Before they developed their chemistry, so it is a totally different Chargers offense your talking about.

BigDawg819
07-07-2007, 05:32 PM
There's really no need to come to the Chargers team forum, just to brag about the Ravens, you can do that in the Baltimore team forum.

Intelligent discussion I don't care where you do it, but what do you expect to happen when you come into a Charger forum, us to just bow down and say that your the #1 defense in the NFL and we have no hopes of stopping you? I've already said, in this thread that Baltimore's defense is ridiculous and I can't believe they weren't given more credit in the article.

But we're not just going to say you'll destroy us, when first of all, the consensus amongst most fans is San Diego is a better team, not defense. Will it be a good game? Of course. But don't come in here, tell us we have no hopes of scoring on you, you'll be able to score on us, and we won't be able to win. That's not only ridiculous, but thats just trying to provoke an argument where there doesn't have to be one.

Again, I'm not knocking your D, but you saying you have the #1 defense in the league reigning, can be just as easily combatted by us saying we have the reigning #1 offense in the league, so its a moot point. On top of that, we played you in the third game of last season, so before you can say we shut you down last year, even though you didn't have Suggs, you had Rivers while he was still very green, LT before he clicked last year, our WR core before they caught on, and our OL Before they developed their chemistry, so it is a totally different Chargers offense your talking about.

I never said we'll shut you out but don't rag on me for defending my teams honor when someone posts a ridiculous list like this no matter what team forum its in. As for your reasons for last year's loss to us, sounds like a lot of bellyaching to me?

JK17
07-07-2007, 05:35 PM
We did very good against your offense last year and Suggs was injured that game.

Not debating that, I've given a lot of credit to Baltimore in this thread, I just don't think its fair to say your D will shut down our O, like that, especially considering how different of a team we were then, and the fact that it was such a close game to begin with. Shawne Merriman makes one more tackle on Heap, and the argument of you beating us last year is gone. He didn't though, and I'm not claiming our D is better or anything, but if one play is different, last years game has no bearing in the argument anymore.

BigDawg819
07-07-2007, 05:37 PM
Not debating that, I've given a lot of credit to Baltimore in this thread, I just don't think its fair to say your D will shut down our O, like that, especially considering how different of a team we were then, and the fact that it was such a close game to begin with. Shawne Merriman makes one more tackle on Heap, and the argument of you beating us last year is gone. He didn't though, and I'm not claiming our D is better or anything, but if one play is different, last years game has no bearing in the argument anymore.

If ifs and buts were all candy and nuts, we'd all have a Merry Christmas.

sdpads24
07-07-2007, 05:40 PM
Don't think that were just going to forget all this smalk talk that your dishing out when we kick your ass next season.

Average OT LB
07-07-2007, 05:41 PM
I never said we'll shut you out but don't rag on me for defending my teams honor when someone posts a ridiculous list like this no matter what team forum its in. As for your reasons for last year's loss to us, sounds like a lot of bellyaching to me?

now i know you did not just accuse JK17 of bellyaching because that wouldn't be smart especially considering your in a charger forum complaining about your precious defense.

Now im not going to be as kind and say baltimore's defense is so great blah blah blah.. personally i think they're the most overrated bunch of losers in the entire NFL. they're just still getting credit for the defensive numbers they put up a few years ago and living off the reputations of ray lewis (the murderer) and ed reed the all-perennial all star. In a few years, maybe even this one, the coach will be fired lewis will retire and the ravens will be a junk franchise.

JK17
07-07-2007, 05:42 PM
I never said we'll shut you out but don't rag on me for defending my teams honor when someone posts a ridiculous list like this no matter what team forum its in. As for your reasons for last year's loss to us, sounds like a lot of bellyaching to me?

What list did anyone post? It was an article, which gave credit to the Chargers, which some of us liked....

In fact, a few of us even said we were shocked Baltimore wasn't more on it.

Then bantx showed some optimism saying we were Super Bowl Bound, nothing about the Ravens or attacking their honor, to which you responded
You're not getting by the Ravens, no way, no how.

Which is your opinion, but no one called out Baltimore for them to be brought into the discussion.

Then bantx said one of the best offenses vs one of the best defenses and it should be a good matchup, to which you replied...
We beat you last year and we'll do it again this year!

Which I still took as friendly conversation, and replied in a joking-style manner a remark Ray Lewis made about Rivers' abilities...

Then you said things like...

Yeah Marty had a hand in it but the bottomline is we got the W. And unlike last year we know what to expect out of Rivers and company so we will be even better prepared. Rex Ryan with more info to scheme against you, I'd be scared!

Juice Monkey, I mean Merrimam got owned my Ogden once and history will repeat itself once again. Phillips? Please don't kid yourself. Your boy Rivers will be on his back so much it won't be funny so there goes your offensive threat. As for our offense, keep sleeping on Clayton and Williams. They'll see you in the endzone.

If you believe that your O is better then our D then I have some land I'd like to sell you.

All of which took an attacking tone, on comments that had started out by Chargers' fans respectfully and conversationally.

And as far as our loss last year, please believe me I'm not making excuses. We lost the game, fair and square, all I was trying to indicate was that we aren't the same team from week 3 in the season, we weren't towards the end of last year, and we aren't this year.

JK17
07-07-2007, 05:43 PM
If ifs and buts were all candy and nuts, we'd all have a Merry Christmas.

Again....I said it wasn't an excuse....I even said that in the next sentence, where i emphasized...He DIDNT make the tackle so we lost.

But if one play makes such a huge difference, don't use that game as an example as to why your so much better then us.

BigDawg819
07-07-2007, 05:48 PM
now i know you did not just accuse JK17 of bellyaching because that wouldn't be smart especially considering your in a charger forum complaining about your precious defense.

Now im not going to be as kind and say baltimore's defense is so great blah blah blah.. personally i think they're the most overrated bunch of losers in the entire NFL. they're just still getting credit for the defensive numbers they put up a few years ago and living off the reputations of ray lewis (the murderer) and ed reed the all-perennial all star. In a few years, maybe even this one, the coach will be fired lewis will retire and the ravens will be a junk franchise.

Wow you're more of a clown then I thought. What color is the sky in your world?

SuperKevin
07-07-2007, 05:49 PM
The Ravens better have a good defense because I don't se their offense finishing anywhere close to the top half of the league as long as McNair is under center

BigDawg819
07-07-2007, 05:50 PM
The Ravens better have a good defense because I don't se their offense finishing anywhere close to the top half of the league as long as McNair is under center

I plan on breaking McNair's leg come training camp.

Average OT LB
07-07-2007, 05:59 PM
Wow you're more of a clown then I thought. What color is the sky in your world?

im a clown? what was that a joke? i think we share something in common.. what color is the sky in your part of jokesville?

Ravens1991
07-08-2007, 01:00 PM
If ifs and buts were all candy and nuts, we'd all have a Merry Christmas.

Also we would have had the ball on the 2 yard line w/ time like 20 seconds left to score the TD.


But since you guys want to play "ifs" Derrick Mason missed a wide Open TD catch right in his hands and Dan Wilcox fumbled inside the 10 yard line, so if those mistakes didnt happen that Heap TD wouldnt have occured we just would have ran the clock out.

JK17
07-08-2007, 03:32 PM
Also we would have had the ball on the 2 yard line w/ time like 20 seconds left to score the TD.


But since you guys want to play "ifs" Derrick Mason missed a wide Open TD catch right in his hands and Dan Wilcox fumbled inside the 10 yard line, so if those mistakes didnt happen that Heap TD wouldnt have occured we just would have ran the clock out.

Okay, and I've said three times now, we're not playing ifs, I'm not making excuses for why we lost, and I'm not saying we should have won the game. I'm saying a game we played away, lost by less then a touchdown, with an inexperienced crew, that could have easily gone the othe way, is not a great argument for why you will beat us this year.

Again, let me emphasize, no one is making excuses for the loss. No one thinks we should have won that game. We do, however, think that game is no way an indicator of the game this season, and furthermore there was no need to come into a Chargers forums to provoke arguments that didn't exist until Ravens' fans brought them up.

Average OT LB
07-08-2007, 03:48 PM
Okay, and I've said three times now, we're not playing ifs, I'm not making excuses for why we lost, and I'm not saying we should have won the game. I'm saying a game we played away, lost by less then a touchdown, with an inexperienced crew, that could have easily gone the othe way, is not a great argument for why you will beat us this year.

Again, let me emphasize, no one is making excuses for the loss. No one thinks we should have won that game. We do, however, think that game is no way an indicator of the game this season, and furthermore there was no need to come into a Chargers forums to provoke arguments that didn't exist until Ravens' fans brought them up.

now hold your horses there buddy, you may say nobody thinks we should have won that game but you dont speak for everybody. I think the coaching staff layed an egg and did a piss poor job end of story. Marty had a history for being a loser and allowing comebacks (the drive for one) and he showed why he earned that reputation.

As for this year anything can happen on sunday so i dont think that just one game can decide who is better. both teams play in the much more difficult AFC and we shall see which team is better at the end of the year.

Ravens1991
07-08-2007, 03:56 PM
I like that last paragraph Average OT LB


JK17 I brought up those 2plays because it seems everybody said "If Merriman would have gotten that tackle..." "The coaching staff sucks..." But we had 2 if plays that would have changed the game a lot also.

JK17
07-08-2007, 04:01 PM
now hold your horses there buddy, you may say nobody thinks we should have won that game but you dont speak for everybody. I think the coaching staff layed an egg and did a piss poor job end of story. Marty had a history for being a loser and allowing comebacks (the drive for one) and he showed why he earned that reputation.

As for this year anything can happen on sunday so i dont think that just one game can decide who is better. both teams play in the much more difficult AFC and we shall see which team is better at the end of the year.

I meant no one thinks we should have won that game because a certain play should have happened. You think the coaching staff did a poor job, I did too, but that was what we had to work with. If we had a different coaching staff maybe the game ends up different, but we had to work with what we had, and because we played a certain way we lost. Obviously we could have won that game, but we did nothing so incredible as to think we deserved to win that game.

JK17 I brought up those 2plays because it seems everybody said "If Merriman would have gotten that tackle..." "The coaching staff sucks..." But we had 2 if plays that would have changed the game a lot also.

Yeah, I brought up the Merriman play, not to say that we should have won the game because he should have made that tackle, but more to just say that last year's game was not a great indicator of how either team will be playing this season. Every game is filled with a couple plays that decide the game, each leaving one of the teams feeling like they could have won the game. You guys made the plays though, won the game, and you should get credit for that, but I just didn't like the use of that game to predict the game this upcoming season, when both teams are fairly changed.

Ravens1991
07-08-2007, 04:11 PM
now talking about next season, I actually think the odds are in your guys favor, Baltimore has to make 3 cross country trips and that will definetly wear them down

JK17
07-08-2007, 04:12 PM
now talking about next season, I actually think the odds are in your guys favor, Baltimore has to make 3 cross country trips and that will definetly wear them down

Reminds me of the Chargers schedule in 2005, lots of cross country trips really take a toll on the team.

Average OT LB
07-08-2007, 04:27 PM
now talking about next season, I actually think the odds are in your guys favor, Baltimore has to make 3 cross country trips and that will definetly wear them down

of course the odds are in our favor, we're the better team

sdpads24
11-27-2007, 01:07 AM
Don't think that were just going to forget all this smalk talk that your dishing out when we kick your ass next season.

Nope, I didn't forget. haha