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draftguru151
06-29-2007, 10:46 PM
First rankings are seniors, 2nd ones are juniors. Pretty rough rankings and they aren't very good, but eh it's June. Let me know of any mistakes with schools or class. Looking for some input on the rankings so discuss, and I know it'll be hard but try to not be stupid.

QB
1. Andre Woodson Kentucky
2. Brian Brohm Louisville
3. Matt Ryan Boston College
4. Colt Brennan Hawaii
5. John David Booty USC
6. Chad Henne Michigan
7. Erik Ainge Tennessee
8. Sam Keller Nebraska
9. Josh Johnson San Diego
10. Brandon Cox Auburn

QB
1. Bobby Reid Oklahoma State
2. Curtis Painter Purdue
3. Nate Longshore Cal
4. Chase Holbrook NMSU
5. Ben Olson UCLA

RB
1. Mike Hart Michigan
2. Cory Boyd USC
3. Tashard Choice Georgia Tech
4. BenJarvus Green-Ellis Ole Miss
5. Ryan Torain Arizona State
6. Yvenson Bernard Oregon State
7. Albert Young Iowa
8. Allen Patrick Oklahoma
9. Kregg Lumpkin Georgia
10. Rafael Little Kentucky

RB
1. Darren McFadden Arkansas
2. Andre Brown North Carolina State
3. Jonathan Stewart Oregon
4. Steve Slaton West Virginia
5. James Davis Clemson

FB
1. Owen Schmitt West Virginia
2. Michael Cox Georgia Tech
3. Peyton Hillis Arkansas
4. Jacob Hester LSU

WR
1. Limas Sweed Texas
2. Early Doucet LSU
3. Adarius Bowman Oklahoma State
4. DJ Hall Alabama
5. Harry Douglas Louisville
6. Marcus Monk Arkansas
7. Eddie Royal Virginia Tech
8. Dorien Bryant Purdue
9. Keenan Burton Kentucky
10. Andre Caldwell Florida

WR
1. Mario Manningham Michigan
2. DeSean Jackson California
3. Malcolm Kelly Oklahoma
4. Earl Bennett Vanderbilt
5. James Hardy Indiana

TE
1. John Carlson Notre Dame
2. Fred Davis USC
3. Martin Rucker Missouri
4. Joey Haynos Maryland
5. Kellen Davis Michigan State

TE
1. Martellus Bennett Texas A&M
2. Chase Coffman Missouri
3. Travis Beckum Wisconsin

OT
1. Sam Baker USC
2. Jake Long Michigan
3. Tony Hills Jr Texas
4. Barry Richardson Clemson
5. Gosder Cherilus Boston College
6. King Dunlap Auburn
7. Kirk Barton OSU
8. Duane Brown Virginia Tech
9. Chris Williams Vanderbilt
10. John Greco Toledo

OT
1. Ryan Clady Boise State
2. Alex Boone OSU
3. Lydon Murtha Nebraska

OG
1. Jordan Grimes Purdue
2. Will Arnold LSU
3. Shannon Tevaga UCLA
4. Adam Kraus Michigan
5. Roy Schuening Oregon State
6. Kirk Elder Texas A&M

OG
1. Michael Oher Mississippi
2. Herman Johnson LSU
3. Cedrick Dockery Texas

OC
1. John Sullivan Notre Dame
2. Adam Spieker Missouri
3. Doug Legursky Marshall
4. Kory Lichtensteiger Bowling Green
5. Cody Wallace TAMU

OC
1. Alex Mack California
2. Jonathan Luigs Arkansas
3. Antoine Caldwell Alabama
4. Dumaka Atkins FSU

DE
1. Chris Long Virginia
2. Tommy Blake TCU
3. Lawrence Jackson USC
4. Quentin Groves Auburn
5. Louis Holmes Arizona
6. Chris Ellis Virginia Tech
7. Kendall Langford Hampton
8. Bruce Davis UCLA
9. Kenny Iwebema Iowa
10. Darrell Robertson GT

DE
1. Calais Campbell Miami
2. Vernon Gholston OSU
3. Tyson Jackson LSU
4. Derrick Harvey Florida
5. Phillip Merling Clemson

DT
1. Glenn Dorsey LSU
2. Sedrick Ellis USC
3. DeMario Pressley North Carolina State
4. Red Bryant Texas A&M
5. Frank Okam Texas
6. BJ Raji Boston College
7. Dre Moore Maryland
8. Andre Fluellen Florida State
9. Marcus Harrison Arkansas
10. Nick Hayden Wisconsin

DT
1. Terrance Taylor Michigan
2. Roy Miller Texas
3. Fili Moala USC
4. Jeff Owens Georgia
5. Myron Pryor Kentucky

OLB
1. Keith Rivers USC
2. Xavier Adibi Virginia Tech
3. Shawn Crable Michigan
4. Ali Highsmith LSU
5. Brian Toal Boston College
6. Beau Bell UNLV
7. Tavares Gooden Miami
8. Malik Jackson Louisville
9. Robert Killebrew Texas
10. Casper Brinkley USC

OLB
1. Erin Henderson Maryland
2. Brian Cushing USC
3. Sean Lee PSU
4. Marcus Freeman OSU
5. Willie Williams Louisville

MLB
1. Dan Connor Penn State
2. Jonathan Goff Vanderbilt
3. J Lehman Illinois
4. Jasper Brinkley Southern Carolina
5. Vince Hall Virginia Tech
6. Philip Wheeler Georgia Tech

MLB
1. Rey Maualuga USC
2. James Laurinaitis OSU
3. Jerod Mayo Tennessee
4. Geno Hayes FSU
5. Rashad Bobino Texas

CB
1. Antoine Cason Arizona
2. Zachary Bowman Nebraska
3. Dwight Lowery San Jose State
4. Simeon Castille Alabama
5. Mike Jenkins USF
6. Dejuan Tribble BC
7. Terrell Thomas USC
8. Chevis Jackson LSU

CB
1. Justin King Penn State
2. Aqib Talib Kansas
3. Jack Ikegwuonu Wisconsin
4. Malcolm Jenkins OSU
5. Brandon Flowers Virginia Tech

S
1. Jonathan Hefney Tennessee
2. Jamar Adams Michigan
3. Tom Zbikowski Notre Dame
4. Eric Wicks WVU
5. Quitin Demps UTEP

S
1. Kenny Phillips Miami
2. Michael Hamlin Clemson
3. Josh Pinkard USC
4. Otis Wiley Michigan State
5. Courtney Greene Rutgers


Top 10 Seniors
1. Glenn Dorsey DT LSU
2. Sam Baker OT USC
3. Jake Long OT Michigan
4. Andre Woodson QB Kentucky
5. Keith Rivers OLB USC
6. Brian Brohm QB Louisville
7. Chris Long DE Virginia
8. Dan Connor MLB PSU
9. Limas Sweed WR Texas
10. Antoine Cason CB Arizona

Top 10 Juniors
1. Darren McFadden RB Arkansas
2. Calais Campbell DE Miami
3. Kenny Phillips S Miami
4. Rey Maualuga LB USC
5. Mario Manningham WR Michigan
6. Justin King CB PSU
7. Aqib Talib CB Kansas
8. DeSean Jackson WR California
9. Bobby Reid QB Oklahoma State
10. Michael Oher OG Mississippi

Acreboy
06-29-2007, 11:55 PM
Woodson over Brohm is laughable.

Sweed as the #1 is horrible.

Caddy
06-30-2007, 12:01 AM
Woodson over Brohm is laughable.

Sweed as the #1 is horrible.

I do agree at this stage that Brohm out ranks Woodson however I think Sweed is legitimately the #1 senior at his position.

Acreboy
06-30-2007, 12:17 AM
I do agree at this stage that Brohm out ranks Woodson however I think Sweed is legitimately the #1 senior at his position.He's way overrated.

Green Bay Scat
06-30-2007, 12:25 AM
well i guess EB will have to run a 4.3 if anyone actually cares about him, cause bein succesful in college means nothin... good job DGOD151

YAYareaRB
06-30-2007, 12:28 AM
well i guess EB will have to run a 4.3 if anyone actually cares about him, cause bein succesful in college means nothin... good job DGOD151

As long as we don't get it twisted.. Earl Bennett is not as good as Early Doucet.

SuperKevin
06-30-2007, 12:40 AM
Steve Justice from Wake Forest is the top senior center. he's a beast

Sniper
06-30-2007, 12:58 AM
As long as we don't get it twisted.. Earl Bennett is not as good as Early Doucet.

This is correct. He's actually better. Unless the coaches of the SEC don't know anything since they voted him the #1 wideout in the conference.

Sniper
06-30-2007, 12:59 AM
I still fail to get the hype for Justin King, CB, Penn State. He's been pretty good his first two years, but not #1 at his position good. That's just ridiculous. He's a good CB but the lovefest for this guy is outrageous.

Jonny
06-30-2007, 04:38 AM
Green-Ellis, Haynos, Patrick, Royal, Duane Brown, Chris Williams, Lichtensteiger, Goff, and Chevis Jackson are all juniors.

Sniper
06-30-2007, 05:20 AM
Woodson over Brohm is laughable.

Sweed as the #1 is horrible.

Not really. Woodson is a friggin good quarterback. People underrate him because he plays for a weak team.

underscore
06-30-2007, 08:16 AM
I still fail to get the hype for Justin King, CB, Penn State. He's been pretty good his first two years, but not #1 at his position good. That's just ridiculous. He's a good CB but the lovefest for this guy is outrageous.

What lovefest has their been? He's a good corner, and no other jr CBs are better.

Michigan
06-30-2007, 08:39 AM
These are probably the best rankings I've seen so far. Couple things that stick out to me are Owen Schmitt, Matt Ryan, and Antoine Cason being too high and Chad Henne and Malcolm Jenkins too low.

Also, I agree that Early Doucet >>> Earl Bennett

draftguru151
06-30-2007, 09:42 AM
Green-Ellis, Haynos, Patrick, Royal, Duane Brown, Chris Williams, Lichtensteiger, Goff, and Chevis Jackson are all juniors.

Um, not sure where you're looking but they are all seniors.

draftguru151
06-30-2007, 09:53 AM
I'm gonna respond to the rest of the posts in one so sorry if it gets confusing.

Please don't just say something is laughable or a joke, give some type of reasoning, and I'm sure Sweed being over a LSU receiver had nothing to do with that comment.

For the EB/Doucet stuff, I'd have 4 junior WRs over all the seniors other than Sweed (who'd be around 4), so EB would be slightly above Doucet.

Justin King is the #1 junior CB because he has played extremely well and is a fantastic athlete. The top 4 junior CBs are rated very close and are pretty much interchangeable.

I have Schmitt at #1 because he has ideal size for the position and has experience running and blocking. Cox is the top blocker of the group and I think Hillis and Lester don't end up playing FB and end up as H-Backs, or maybe Lester can transition to a roll like Brian Leonard will be in.

Ryan has shown some potential and him being that high is more of a projection than based on his performance right now. Cason really doesn't have much competition at CB now that Oliver is gone and Bowman was injured again. Henne has the tools arm wise but has way to many questions at this point for me to have him above the other guys. And like I said before the junior CBs ratings are very close.

Jonny
06-30-2007, 11:20 AM
Really? I was just looking at Rivals and they had those guys as Juniors. Guess they need to do a better job updating.

princefielder28
06-30-2007, 11:23 AM
nice rankings DG! I love to see the strength at CB b/c the Packers are going to need to address that in the coming years

Acreboy
06-30-2007, 11:36 AM
Not really. Woodson is a friggin good quarterback. People underrate him because he plays for a weak team.He had one good year.

Please don't just say something is laughable or a joke, give some type of reasoning, and I'm sure Sweed being over a LSU receiver had nothing to do with that comment.

For the EB/Doucet stuff, I'd have 4 junior WRs over all the seniors other than Sweed (who'd be around 4), so EB would be slightly above Doucet.

I'd rather EB be ahead of Doucet than Sweed. He has a vertical leap, thats it. He doesn't run good routes and his hands aren't as good as advertised.

Also 4 juniors over Doucet? That's just ignorant.

HoopsDemon12
06-30-2007, 11:39 AM
Justin King is the #1 junior CB because he has played extremely well and is a fantastic athlete. The top 4 junior CBs are rated very close and are pretty much interchangeable.
BINGO.. they are so close right now... you could put any one of them up there... and it could be debated

-black
06-30-2007, 12:06 PM
thoughts on Brandon Ore.......any top RB list that omits his name dissapoints me

-black
06-30-2007, 12:07 PM
and Andre Brown as the 2nd jr. RB?......aside from playing his butt off against FSU....he's been very average.....Chris Henry-like

ATLDirtyBirds
06-30-2007, 12:21 PM
Steve Slaton for #2 RB!

gator3guy
06-30-2007, 12:21 PM
Its Jacob Hester not Lester, :D

draftguru151
06-30-2007, 12:41 PM
thoughts on Brandon Ore.......any top RB list that omits his name dissapoints me

He's a junior and I don't see him in the top 5. Doesn't have great size or speed and while he is a good college player at this point I don't see him with the other backs.

And Andre Brown has everything a pro running back needs from what I've seen, he has great size, big play ability and runs very hard. He hasn't really gotten the carries to shine but when he does get the ball it's impressive. He is nowhere near Chris Henry.

-black
06-30-2007, 01:00 PM
Ore has average NFL size....5'11 205, nothing "freakish" but its in no way a knock (an inch and 15 pounds away from being your idea RB). Runs in the 4.4- range, at the most a 4.5.....for his size he plays the game as physical as any RB. Can catch the ball out of the backfield and is a good complete blocker. Has NFL starter/prototype written all over him
Its your opinion that he's a good college run, with not top 5 upside.....So all I will say is we will see. He is def my fav RB for this upcomming season.

Andre Brown has been all hype but terribly inconsistent (not just in games, but practice which leads to PT)....could not even crack over 4 yards a carry the last 2 months of the season...Toney Baker continues to be more consistent

YAYareaRB
06-30-2007, 01:05 PM
Where's Ian Johnson?

-black
06-30-2007, 01:07 PM
Where's Ian Johnson?

in Boise somewhere probrbaly

draftguru151
06-30-2007, 01:11 PM
I've seen Ore much closer to the 4.6 area.

Brown has been very inconsistent but he is also far from being a finished prospect and his potential is amazing. And while I heard Brown was having an inconsistent spring the 112 yards and 2 TDs on 11 carries in the spring game was pretty impressive. Also one game in November doesn't count as a month.

-black
06-30-2007, 01:24 PM
I love this kid

http://youtube.com/watch?v=LRL2aBJbHiM&mode=related&search=


almost as much as I love Malcom Kelly. He's easily my top WR going into the season. Makes Larry Fitzgelrad/CJ type catches and posted great numbers despite missing a game and having a up and down QB.

Where do you see Kelly going?

YAYareaRB
06-30-2007, 01:31 PM
in Boise somewhere probrbaly

MAN.. I knew that was coming. I mean in terms of Rankings. He was pretty productive last year and had twice as much yards and touchdowns as most of the guys in front of him. Is it because he had so much carries?

-black
06-30-2007, 01:36 PM
i dont speak for thread starter....but most feel his game/conference stats translate to the NFL as a full time back......could get the Luke Staley treatment

YAYareaRB
06-30-2007, 01:40 PM
i dont speak for thread starter....but most feel his game/conference stats translate to the NFL as a full time back......could get the Luke Staley treatment

Awww I see.. I sure hope the little guy does good.

draftguru151
06-30-2007, 01:41 PM
Ore is definitely an impressive player but the junior RB class is stacked and just he isn't the prospect that stats make him seem.

I really like Kelly as well and think he is a sure fire first rounder when he comes out. The junior WRs are another spot that is very stacked so him at #3 is a bit misleading and Kelly was also almost in the top 10 juniors with the other two.

JeffSamardzijaIRISH
06-30-2007, 02:45 PM
He's a junior and I don't see him in the top 5. Doesn't have great size or speed and while he is a good college player at this point I don't see him with the other backs.

And Andre Brown has everything a pro running back needs from what I've seen, he has great size, big play ability and runs very hard. He hasn't really gotten the carries to shine but when he does get the ball it's impressive. He is nowhere near Chris Henry.

He hasn't produced much, although much more than Chris Henry. Mr. Henry also has everything a pro running back needs. He's got speed, size, cutting ability, only thing is production. Those two are very similar.

schmiddog
06-30-2007, 02:46 PM
Harry Douglas should be higher...love the way this guy plays. He's absolutely explosive, great running form, nice hands...gonna be a first rounder

schmiddog
06-30-2007, 02:50 PM
Booty and Henne, despite bouts of underacheiving, should be higher---can't deny the physical tools of either.

Johnathan Stewart is a bit overrated, but he's a nice prospect. The 4.3 talk\Ronnie Brown comparisons about him have got to cease, however. He runs too upright and his top gear isn't anything special

Vikes99ej
06-30-2007, 02:51 PM
Good job DG. I disagree with some, but it looks pretty good. Woodson over Brohm doesn't surprise me.

draftguru151
06-30-2007, 02:51 PM
Except for that Andre Brown has shown talents on the field multiple times. Henry average 2.8, 3.5 and 3.5 ypc in college, Brown has 2 seasons over 5. Henry showed he has the physical tools to succeed, Brown has shown on the field that he can succeed.

Shane P. Hallam
06-30-2007, 06:43 PM
First rankings are seniors, 2nd ones are juniors. Pretty rough rankings and they aren't very good, but eh it's June. Let me know of any mistakes with schools or class. Looking for some input on the rankings so discuss, and I know it'll be hard but try to not be stupid.

QB
1. Andre Woodson Kentucky
2. Brian Brohm Louisville
3. Matt Ryan Boston College
4. Colt Brennan Hawaii
5. John David Booty USC
6. Chad Henne Michigan
7. Erik Ainge Tennessee
8. Sam Keller Nebraska
9. Josh Johnson San Diego
10. Brandon Cox Auburn

QB
1. Bobby Reid Oklahoma State
2. Curtis Painter Purdue
3. Nate Longshore Cal
4. Chase Holbrook NMSU
5. Ben Olson UCLA

RB
1. Mike Hart Michigan
2. Cory Boyd USC
3. Tashard Choice Georgia Tech
4. BenJarvus Green-Ellis Ole Miss
5. Ryan Torain Arizona State
6. Yvenson Bernard Oregon State
7. Albert Young Iowa
8. Allen Patrick Oklahoma
9. Kregg Lumpkin Georgia
10. Rafael Little Kentucky

RB
1. Darren McFadden Arkansas
2. Andre Brown North Carolina State
3. Jonathan Stewart Oregon
4. Steve Slaton West Virginia
5. James Davis Clemson

FB
1. Owen Schmitt West Virginia
2. Michael Cox Georgia Tech
3. Peyton Hillis Arkansas
4. Jacob Hester LSU

WR
1. Limas Sweed Texas
2. Early Doucet LSU
3. Adarius Bowman Oklahoma State
4. DJ Hall Alabama
5. Harry Douglas Louisville
6. Marcus Monk Arkansas
7. Eddie Royal Virginia Tech
8. Dorien Bryant Purdue
9. Keenan Burton Kentucky
10. Andre Caldwell Florida

WR
1. Mario Manningham Michigan
2. DeSean Jackson California
3. Malcolm Kelly Oklahoma
4. Earl Bennett Vanderbilt
5. James Hardy Indiana

TE
1. John Carlson Notre Dame
2. Fred Davis USC
3. Martin Rucker Missouri
4. Joey Haynos Maryland
5. Kellen Davis Michigan State

TE
1. Martellus Bennett Texas A&M
2. Chase Coffman Missouri
3. Travis Beckum Wisconsin

OT
1. Sam Baker USC
2. Jake Long Michigan
3. Tony Hills Jr Texas
4. Barry Richardson Clemson
5. Gosder Cherilus Boston College
6. King Dunlap Auburn
7. Kirk Barton OSU
8. Duane Brown Virginia Tech
9. Chris Williams Vanderbilt
10. John Greco Toledo

OT
1. Ryan Clady Boise State
2. Alex Boone OSU
3. Lydon Murtha Nebraska

OG
1. Jordan Grimes Purdue
2. Will Arnold LSU
3. Shannon Tevaga UCLA
4. Adam Kraus Michigan
5. Roy Schuening Oregon State
6. Kirk Elder Texas A&M

OG
1. Michael Oher Mississippi
2. Herman Johnson LSU
3. Cedrick Dockery Texas

OC
1. John Sullivan Notre Dame
2. Adam Spieker Missouri
3. Doug Legursky Marshall
4. Kory Lichtensteiger Bowling Green
5. Cody Wallace TAMU

OC
1. Alex Mack California
2. Jonathan Luigs Arkansas
3. Antoine Caldwell Alabama
4. Dumaka Atkins FSU

DE
1. Chris Long Virginia
2. Tommy Blake TCU
3. Lawrence Jackson USC
4. Quentin Groves Auburn
5. Louis Holmes Arizona
6. Chris Ellis Virginia Tech
7. Kendall Langford Hampton
8. Bruce Davis UCLA
9. Kenny Iwebema Iowa
10. Darrell Robertson GT

DE
1. Calais Campbell Miami
2. Vernon Gholston OSU
3. Tyson Jackson LSU
4. Derrick Harvey Florida
5. Phillip Merling Clemson

DT
1. Glenn Dorsey LSU
2. Sedrick Ellis USC
3. DeMario Pressley North Carolina State
4. Red Bryant Texas A&M
5. Frank Okam Texas
6. BJ Raji Boston College
7. Dre Moore Maryland
8. Andre Fluellen Florida State
9. Marcus Harrison Arkansas
10. Nick Hayden Wisconsin

DT
1. Terrance Taylor Michigan
2. Roy Miller Texas
3. Fili Moala USC
4. Jeff Owens Georgia
5. Myron Pryor Kentucky

OLB
1. Keith Rivers USC
2. Xavier Adibi Virginia Tech
3. Shawn Crable Michigan
4. Ali Highsmith LSU
5. Brian Toal Boston College
6. Beau Bell UNLV
7. Tavares Gooden Miami
8. Malik Jackson Louisville
9. Robert Killebrew Texas
10. Casper Brinkley USC

OLB
1. Erin Henderson Maryland
2. Brian Cushing USC
3. Sean Lee PSU
4. Marcus Freeman OSU
5. Willie Williams Louisville

MLB
1. Dan Connor Penn State
2. Jonathan Goff Vanderbilt
3. J Lehman Illinois
4. Jasper Brinkley Southern Carolina
5. Vince Hall Virginia Tech
6. Philip Wheeler Georgia Tech

MLB
1. Rey Maualuga USC
2. James Laurinaitis OSU
3. Jerod Mayo Tennessee
4. Geno Hayes FSU
5. Rashad Bobino Texas

CB
1. Antoine Cason Arizona
2. Zachary Bowman Nebraska
3. Dwight Lowery San Jose State
4. Simeon Castille Alabama
5. Mike Jenkins USF
6. Dejuan Tribble BC
7. Terrell Thomas USC
8. Chevis Jackson LSU

CB
1. Justin King Penn State
2. Aqib Talib Kansas
3. Jack Ikegwuonu Wisconsin
4. Malcolm Jenkins OSU
5. Brandon Flowers Virginia Tech

S
1. Jonathan Hefney Tennessee
2. Jamar Adams Michigan
3. Tom Zbikowski Notre Dame
4. Eric Wicks WVU
5. Quitin Demps UTEP

S
1. Kenny Phillips Miami
2. Michael Hamlin Clemson
3. Josh Pinkard USC
4. Otis Wiley Michigan State
5. Courtney Greene Rutgers


Top 10 Seniors
1. Glenn Dorsey DT LSU
2. Sam Baker OT USC
3. Jake Long OT Michigan
4. Andre Woodson QB Kentucky
5. Keith Rivers OLB USC
6. Brian Brohm QB Louisville
7. Chris Long DE Virginia
8. Dan Connor MLB PSU
9. Limas Sweed WR Texas
10. Antoine Cason CB Arizona

Top 10 Juniors
1. Darren McFadden RB Arkansas
2. Calais Campbell DE Miami
3. Kenny Phillips S Miami
4. Rey Maualuga LB USC
5. Mario Manningham WR Michigan
6. Justin King CB PSU
7. Aqib Talib CB Kansas
8. DeSean Jackson WR California
9. Bobby Reid QB Oklahoma State
10. Michael Oher OG Mississippi


Look beautiful my friend.

scottyboy
06-30-2007, 07:14 PM
DG i really hope you left the best RB in the country off the Juniors list b/c you know hes not entering :D

Sniper
06-30-2007, 09:03 PM
What lovefest has their been? He's a good corner, and no other jr CBs are better besides Talib, Jenkins, Ikegwuonu and Flowers

Fixed that for you.

underscore
07-01-2007, 07:07 AM
Fixed that for you.

And I've seen just as much lovefest for them as King.

In fact I see more criticism of King than love.

OhioState
07-01-2007, 11:16 AM
malcolm jenkins will prove himself better than Jake I and King this year if he hasn't already.

ncst8fan83
07-01-2007, 02:26 PM
Look beautiful my friend.

was it really necessary to quote the entire list?

DG, you need to keep an eye on DaJuan Morgan this year. With Garland Heath gone, Morgan is now manning the Rover position with the zone coverage O'Brien will implement. Should be a big year for him. As a backup last year, he posted 59 tackles, 1 tfl, 2 int's, 5 PBU's, 3 QB hurries, and 1 blocked kick. 6'2" 207lbs and probably runs in the 4.5 range.

Paranoidmoonduck
07-01-2007, 03:25 PM
I liked your quarterback rankings, no real complaints there.

I'm not sure about Andre Brown as the #2 Junior. For the most part I've been right there supporting the kid with you, but he has even more to prove this year than Stewart does, and is probably less versatile and overly talented than Stewart as well.

I'm not sure how I feel about Limas Sweed as the #1 Senior wideout. I felt that both Doucet and Bowman were more consistent targets last year, and it isn't as if Sweed is that much more talented than those two. Obviously this year is going to mean a lot to all three, but for now I'm really not feeling Sweed as a top 10 senior.

Your tightend rankings look good.

I don't know about Tony Hills Jr above Richardson or Cherilus, he always struck me as pretty average (except for all the celebrating he does on the field). The interior line rankings look pretty good, but I haven't seen much of a lot of those players.

I like having Blake as the #2 Senior at defensive end, even if his future in the pros might not be there. I'm not sure I feel the same way about Gholston as the #2 junior, but it's certainly possible.

The senior defensive tackle class looks unbelievably strong.

I'll assume that Crable at #3 is a potential projection, but it's not a super drastic one, so I guess it's fine. Beyond that there is very little to quibble about in your linebackers rankings.

Dwight Lowery is awfully high, especially since it seems like a very distinct possibility he'll end up like Daymeion Hughes. Bowman is high considering he was injured again, but lord knows he has the talent.

Overall, really really good work.

ironman4579
07-01-2007, 04:11 PM
Nice rankings DG. Question. If you ranked all the running backs together, would you put the top 5 junior backs over all of the senior backs? I'm a big Mike Hart fan, but in terms of pro potential I don't think I could leave a guy like Davis off a top 5 list in favor of Mike.

draftguru151
07-01-2007, 05:05 PM
Yea, I'd have Hart 5th with him being only over Davis.

Sniper
07-01-2007, 08:32 PM
Yea, I'd have Hart 5th with him being only over Davis.

Question DG. If Hart were 6'1 or 6'2 and ran the way he did, where we would he be in the rankings? Just curious.

draftguru151
07-01-2007, 08:44 PM
It has nothing to do with his height. I love Hart, he's a fantastic college player, but he isn't extremely explosive, isn't very powerful, not very fast, not very big (weight wise), not much of a pro prospect. He's got great vision, amazing balance, doesn't fumble, I think he can be a good pro player and he's a guy I hate to not have high, he just isn't much of a pro prospect.

Sniper
07-01-2007, 09:22 PM
It has nothing to do with his height. I love Hart, he's a fantastic college player, but he isn't extremely explosive, isn't very powerful, not very fast, not very big (weight wise), not much of a pro prospect. He's got great vision, amazing balance, doesn't fumble, I think he can be a good pro player and he's a guy I hate to not have high, he just isn't much of a pro prospect.

Isn't very powerful? I agreed with most of your assessment, it's mainly accurate. However, I beg to differ about not very powerful. I can't count how many tackles he has broken and made a 1 or 2 yard loss a 4 or 5 yard gain. As Brent Musburger says, "You CANNOT bring him down". The first guy never gets Hart. But I like your overall assessment.

draftguru151
07-01-2007, 09:40 PM
He isn't a guy that will bowl over people or run them over, he runs through arm tackles but he isn't like Adrian Peterson running people over. He's a crafty runner and he's very good at getting tough yards, but by powerful I mean actually running people over rather than getting an extra yard here or there. Also, considering interior running is one of his strong suits, weighing around 205 isn't very good.

CC.SD
07-01-2007, 09:52 PM
You gotta have Booty over Ryan. Brennan, I don't know, I haven't seen him enough. I do respect his numbers a whole lot, system or no, he's making those throws.

art vandelay
07-09-2007, 09:02 PM
I like how high you have Andre Brown (over Stewart). He is a BEAST...I consider him right up there with McFadden.