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lionsfan81
07-02-2007, 05:04 PM
The lions are not the worst!! haha I wouldn't have guessed that.

http://www.fannation.com/blogs/post/30132

TPFKA#1SaintsFan
07-02-2007, 05:17 PM
Benson's getting better, he seems to be re-committed to keeping the team in New Orleans and he's finally spending big money to acquire/keep key players like Deuce, Brees, Reggie, Charles Grant, and soon, Will Smith. With that said, he's still in the bottom 5.

dcarey20
07-02-2007, 05:24 PM
Steve Bisciotti is the man.

Michigan
07-02-2007, 05:28 PM
Holy crap Ford is high...

PalmerToCJ
07-02-2007, 05:42 PM
LOL I saw this and knew old Mikey would be down there. At least he hired Marvin and gave him control of the team but still he's the one that pulled the trigger on Henry/Nicholson and in general he's just a bad owner.

Still not sure he's worst than the Fords...

HoopsDemon12
07-02-2007, 06:31 PM
#1 davis is to high.... #2 WHY IS WILSON LOWER THAN DAVIS

Mr. Stiller
07-02-2007, 06:43 PM
How Dan Rooney is not #1 or #2 on that list just proves it's a joke.. especially behind Jones, Snyder and McNair.

Windy
07-02-2007, 06:51 PM
#1 davis is to high.... #2 WHY IS WILSON LOWER THAN DAVIS

al davis is actually a good owner, however he is declining as a general manager.

etk
07-02-2007, 07:02 PM
snyder kills every owner in the league in terms of revenue. KILLS. it's amazing to me that people don't realize that. based on his ability to make a team that hasn't been a serious contender in almost 20 years the envy of the league in terms of profit is amazing.

Yeah, the article is a bit old now, but I remember reading somewhere that the Redskins were by far the most valuable team. Then I remember all my friends scratching their heads at how a mediocre football team could be so profitable and valuable, lol. It's because of Snyder's management and business savvy.

Komp
07-02-2007, 08:12 PM
Yah if Snyder just managed the business side of it and let someone control the football side the Redskins would probably better off. If I am not mistaken the Redskins are worth more than any of the other NFL franchises [except maybe Dallas, I can't remember anymore lol].

Go_Eagles77
07-02-2007, 09:06 PM
Good spot for Lurie

LionSmack
07-02-2007, 09:08 PM
The Fords are four spots too high.

High Roller
07-02-2007, 09:16 PM
York is finally spending...25 is a bit low imo.

Dam8610
07-02-2007, 09:16 PM
I have to wonder what qualifies a good owner in his eyes.

The Unseen
07-02-2007, 09:17 PM
Wayne Weaver at #28 is a great example of consolidated ignorance.

JT Jag
07-02-2007, 09:18 PM
This guy never wastes an opportunity to take potshots at Wayne Weaver.

He's done so much for the team and, even moreso, the city.

He's just irritated that Jacksonville has a NFL team and L.A. doesn't (mostly because it's proven that it can't support one, several times).

jbeans187
07-02-2007, 09:25 PM
al davis is actually a good owner, however he is declining as a general manager.

I agree but its hard for me to admit it

TheMadLionsFan
07-02-2007, 09:29 PM
The fords are overrated....

fryman
07-02-2007, 09:56 PM
Yah if Snyder just managed the business side of it and let someone control the football side the Redskins would probably better off. If I am not mistaken the Redskins are worth more than any of the other NFL franchises [except maybe Dallas, I can't remember anymore lol].

Redskins are the highest now, but Dallas probably will be after the new stadium is done.

Hines
07-02-2007, 11:39 PM
How Dan Rooney is not #1 or #2 on that list just proves it's a joke.. especially behind Jones, Snyder and McNair.

i agree

rooney should be 1 or 2 at the lowest

P-L
07-03-2007, 12:10 AM
How can the Fords be any higher than #32?

WMD
07-03-2007, 01:03 AM
Whoa.. how are the Lions not in last, last place? It should always be a List of the Top 31 owners, and Ford should just automatically be in last.

KCJ58
07-03-2007, 01:21 AM
i thought it would go Al Davis last and the Lions 2nd to last

TitleTown088
07-03-2007, 01:31 AM
Green Bay Packers Inc. (Brett Favre)

Nice.

ncstateviking
07-03-2007, 01:40 AM
i dissagree with alot of his list. what is the criteria he is using to rank them? how the team performs? profit? influence? a weird formula of the two. idk. it doesnt make alot of sense to me.

like snyder. he is a top notch owner as far as financials. he also has a willingness to spend money. but he acts like he is a GM and does alot of really dumb moves roster wise. that considered i couldnt make him top 5. he is somewhere around 10-12 to me.

theres alot of other owners that stood out in one way or another to me as well.

skinzzfan25
07-03-2007, 07:02 AM
Yah if Snyder just managed the business side of it and let someone control the football side the Redskins would probably better off. If I am not mistaken the Redskins are worth more than any of the other NFL franchises [except maybe Dallas, I can't remember anymore lol].

I remember a few months ago reading in the Post that the Skins were the most valueable franchise in all of sports. They nudged out a soccer team, either real madrid or some1 else.

If Snyder was smart, he would fire Ceratto, and create a team of college scouts that just make the best out of your picks. The best pick after round 3 we've had under the Snyder era is Rock Cartwright in 7.

Jughead10
07-03-2007, 09:02 AM
That stadium really helps the Redskins. Tickets prices are unbelievable and the snobby type who infest the DC area pay for it and they consistently sell out the largest stadium (by a lot) in the NFL.

frogstomp
07-03-2007, 09:52 AM
i agree

rooney should be 1 or 2 at the lowest


His team isn't even in the top half of the league for most valuable... how does that make him the best owner?

Jughead10
07-03-2007, 09:55 AM
His team isn't even in the top half of the league for most valuable... how does that make him the best owner?

If the rankings are just on pure finances, no. But what the Rooney's and Mara's have done for this league makes what Dan Snyder has done look miniscule. Both of those families put the good of the league before the value and finances of their own teams.

frogstomp
07-03-2007, 10:03 AM
If the rankings are just on pure finances, no. But what the Rooney's and Mara's have done for this league makes what Dan Snyder has done look miniscule. Both of those families put the good of the league before the value and finances of their own teams.


*shrug*

I think it should involve all things, but at the same time I don't see how a team that isn't even close to the most valuable, could have the "best" owner. Logically, that just wouldn't make any sense.

I'm not saying Rooney shouldn't be higher, but I am saying this "The fact that he isn't one proves that this is a joke" comments are nonsense.

fryman
07-03-2007, 11:58 AM
thank you, i need at least one random opinion that doesn't vaguely involve fact or reality per thread. dallas is valued at roughly $250m less than the redskins, the redskins value was up 3% more than the cowboys last year (a season in which the skins did NOTHING whatsoever), they had $68m more in revenue, and roughly and had 34% more operating income (the skins easily doubled every single other teeam in the league in this category. DOUBLED.). dallas may be higher, but it's a SERIOUS stretch to believe they'll suddenly beat out the very clear top dog.

umm have you ever read how Forbes finds the values for teams? New stadiums are valued heavily, especially a $1 billion stadium will be.

Dallas should be right around the same value as Washington or higher

fryman
07-03-2007, 12:17 PM
the skins will still have a higher operating revenue and will still be a more profitable team. further, i'd like you to quote, or otherwise prove that the cowboys new stadium will vault them all the way to first. if you can't, stop repeating it as though it's fact.

since when does "probably" or "should" equate to fact. The only one here trying to act like what they say is the gospel is you. It should be pretty clear that this is just my opinion, based on how I understand Forbes calculations.

I will see if I can find the article that tells how they get these numbers. It explained how pending new stadiums and brand new stadiums jump up their value of teams.

fryman
07-03-2007, 12:28 PM
i'm stating it as fact because, for the last 4 years, it HAS been fact. i have, what we call, precedent to back up my opinion. i can also STILL point out that, last year alone, the redskins value jumped 13% to the cowboys 10%. this after being one of the worst teams in the NFL, while the cowboys made the playoffs. if evidence exists that i'm wrong, i'd love to hear it. until then, past financial performance in this case is a pretty strong indication of near-future results.

you need to read up on how they figure this up before talking ****.

also those aren't current values those are from a season where the redskins made the playoffs and cowboys didn't.

we can only wait and see I am done.

SFbear
07-03-2007, 12:49 PM
that's cute. "you shouldn't talk because you don't know anything ever and i'm not going to bother trying to find where it says that you're wrong so i'm done." grow up. this is the kind of garbage on this board that thoroughly disgusts me. i said i was open to seeing evidence that i was wrong. you failed to provide it and instead whined about how i should be responsible for finding information to support your point of view.

You would think forming arguments and backing them up with examples and evidence would be part of the public education system. It also infuriates me when people fall back on the "well thats just my opinion and I have a right to my own opinions." No, you only have a right to those opinions if you can back them up with evidence and they can stand up to scrutiny in rational debate. If you can't back it up, rethink your arguements or GOD FORBID, change your mind. [/rant]

Beans
07-03-2007, 01:20 PM
Glazers #4, yay.

CW99
07-03-2007, 05:20 PM
3.Jerry Richardson (Mark Richardson), Panthers
4. Bryan, Joel and Ed Glazer, Buccaneers
5. Daniel Snyder

They are joking right Rooney and Lurie should be 2 and 3 on this list

VY10
07-03-2007, 05:35 PM
I agree with Bob McNair's position. He brought football back to Houston and he wants to win he just got some bad guys in the front office to start the franchise with and they are gone now.

fryman
07-03-2007, 08:18 PM
that's cute. "you shouldn't talk because you don't know anything ever and i'm not going to bother trying to find where it says that you're wrong so i'm done." grow up. this is the kind of garbage on this board that thoroughly disgusts me. i said i was open to seeing evidence that i was wrong. you failed to provide it and instead whined about how i should be responsible for finding information to support your point of view.

lol sorry you missed your out. Your belittling argument style doesn't work on people who know what they are talking about. Being the Head Mod I would expect you to discuss things in a more mature way but oh well.

granted it is an old article and the numbers are off on the new stadium the point is still just as relevant.- http://www.cowboysplus.com/stadium/stories/101904cpcowjones.15aebc9.html

difference between Dallas and Washington- $250 mil
raise in Eagles value from new stadium- $216 mil
cost of Eagles new stadium- $512 mil per http://www.cowboysplus.com/stadium/stories/101904cpcowjones.15aebc9.html
cost of new Dallas stadium- $1 bil
Average increase in value from new stadium since 1998- $123 mil

Now this is just speculation by me, but with the difference between the worth of the old Cowboys stadium and the new stadium the largest ever seen in the league I would expect an unprecedented jump in team worth.

Also keep in mind with the new stadium the capacity will grow by ~14,500 people and there will be a lot more suites and clubs, so revenue will jump too.


Now don't get me wrong here I am by no means say this absolutely will happen, but I believe will. In the very least I think the jump from the stadium will be about the same as the Eagles was and the rise in revenue will make it very close.

fryman
07-03-2007, 08:21 PM
Man I feel like a loser for taking 5 minutes of my life on that. You got me hook line and sinker.

Either way Jerry, Snyder, and Kraft are probably the best business minds in the NFL.

BlindSite
07-03-2007, 08:26 PM
Snyder is a good businessman, but he's a **** owner, and there's a big difference.

P-L
07-03-2007, 08:59 PM
Snyder is a good owner, just a bad GM.

JoeMontainya
07-04-2007, 07:44 PM
It is rediculaous that Dan Snyder made the top 31. I can name so many things that he has made me laugh about.

Vikes99ej
07-04-2007, 07:52 PM
I started at the bottom when I looked for Wilf.

fryman
07-05-2007, 11:04 AM
now was that so hard? instead of simply saying "this is fact", you went out and showed that there was a good possibility that it WAS fact. i said twice i was open to being proven wrong. i'm not, for one second, going to randomly take someone's word that they're right.

but yes, you fell for it hook, line and sinker. i wanted a good argument for your side, and you provided it. crazy that i'd expect that level of discussion here.

the whole time I made it clear it was an opinion not fact. Also I really didn't care to argue on something I don't give a crap about, when it was clear the other person didn't know what they are talking about. That is why I said you got me hook, line, and sinker. I feel like the bigger loser for arguing with somebody who is making baseless arguments.

THIS is what is wrong with these forums. Too many people that throw in their input when they have no idea what they are talking about. Then expect you to spoon feed them the information that they should have educated themselves on before commenting in the first place.

PEOPLE PLEASE DON'T COMMENT ON **** YOU DON'T KNOW, thank you.

fryman
07-05-2007, 11:27 AM
actually, i posted relevant stats that showed i had a VERY good idea what i was talking about. you simply came in and said "you're wrong because i think you're wrong." then, at long last, you backed up YOUR opinion with actual information. something i did in my FIRST POST IN THIS THREAD. why is this so bloody hard? i demonstrated i knew what i was talking about LONG before you did. thus, if you disagreed, the burden was on YOU to show relevant information supporting your position. christ.

debate classes should be a graduation pre-requisite in this country.

lol you think you knew what you were talking about, yet you didn't know how new stadiums affected teams worth?

Apparently you are the one that needs debate classes. Your argument was so transparent when you couldn't include anything about stadiums affecting worth.

also I find it humorous that you think because I don't want to argue with some troll on the internet that I can't debate. I don't know what that last comment is suppose to intend, but I would pass that graduation requirement with flying colors with all the verbal and written debate/persuasion classes that I have had from junior high through college.

In your own words "grow up"

keylime_5
07-05-2007, 02:50 PM
Pretty decent I guess. I think Al Davis should be lower. Success in the 1980s has nothing to do with how good of an owner you are now. Randy Lerner is about where he should be - great guy and a big Browns fan, but not the best at building a winning football club.

LonghornsLegend
07-05-2007, 07:43 PM
not sure how the texans owner, is higher on that list then dan rooney, rooney is top 3 for sure, but the texans owner ranked higher???

fryman
07-05-2007, 08:53 PM
"umm have you ever read how Forbes finds the values for teams? New stadiums are valued heavily, especially a $1 billion stadium will be." - you stating your opinion as though it was fact. i then immediately asked for direct evidence to support your assertion, and rather than providing it, you whined that i should go look up information to support YOUR point of view. sorry kiddo, that's not how the world works. i said several times i'd be willing to look at anything that proved me wrong. you still did not show that, beyond a shadow of a doubt, the new stadium would put the cowboys over the top (the original thing i disagreed with). you simply showed that the new stadium could strongly affect the team's value and push them past washington. but hey, you sure showed me! boy, someone giving evidence to support their argument... something i've done so far 2x more than you in this particular argument. but hey, props. you finally learned how to argue your position. maybe you'll actually do it in the future so we can all prevent this kind of pathetic whining/crying after the fact. get over yourself. you finally provided ONE good argument that still far from proved your original point. props. you must be hall of fame bound.

It actually hurts being called a whiner and crier by the most emo person on the board.

CC.SD
07-05-2007, 11:04 PM
snyder kills every owner in the league in terms of revenue. KILLS. it's amazing to me that people don't realize that. based on his ability to make a team that hasn't been a serious contender in almost 20 years the envy of the league in terms of profit is amazing.

Profit margins just aren't as impressive to me as championships.

eacantdraft
07-06-2007, 03:47 PM
Profit margins just aren't as impressive to me as championships.


If I was a Redskins fan, which stat would impress me more, the profit margin or two playoff appearances in 10 seasons that Dannyboy has owned the team despite spending so much on players.