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TACKLE
07-03-2007, 01:13 PM
This is a team made up of the greatest draft prospects ever. Whether they are HOFers or draft busts they're all on the list.



QB John Elway - He had it all. Size, speed, and one of the best arms in NFL History.

RB Bo Jackson - Possibly one of the greatest athletes ever in any sport. Bo was 6'1 235 and ran a 4.2 forty. And to top it all of, he won the Heisman

Herschel Walker – Widely regarded as one of the greatest college players ever. Carried his team to a National Championship. Had good size at 6'1 225, ran over guys but was also really fast.

WR Calvin Johnson - 6'5 235, 4.35 forty, 45 inch vert, great production eve with a crappy QB. Also a high character guy. Basically the perfect WR prospect.

Randy Moss - Was 6'4 and ran a 4.2 forty. He was an explosive playmaker who could jump out of the stadium. Was unstoppable in college.

TE Vernon Davis - An absolute freak. Davis is the definition of a physical speciment. 6'4 260 and ran a 4.38. Just scary.

OL - Tony Mandarich - The Incredible Bulk was one of the biggest freaks in draft history. Was 6'6 315 and ran a 4.6!!! Disgusting combine numbers and was a stud a MSU.

Orlando Pace - Former 1st overall pick was dominant in college. He popularized the term pancake block. He was the two-time winner of the Lombardi Award and was the Big 10 MVP. To top it all off, He was 6'7" 325 and moved very well.

Jonathan Ogden – The 1995 Outland Trophy Winner, 6’9 340lbs Ogden was a beast. He had exceptional athletisism for his size. He had a very rare combination of size and quickness. Was the 4th overall pick in 1996.

Tony Boselli – At USC, Boselli was dominant. He was 6’7 320 and played with a nasty streak. He was tall, athletic, and had everything you look for in a stud left tackle. Was the Number 2 Overall pick in 1995.

C Dave Rimington – Center for Nebraska who has the Rimington Trophy named after him for the Top Center in College football. He won the Outland trophy in his Junior and Senior seasons along with being first-team All American. Was a top 25 pick in 1983.

DE Mario Williams – An absolute freak. At 6’7 295 he ran in the 4.7-4.6 range and had a ridiculous 40.5 inch vert. Had a monster junior season. One of the biggest physical freak in NFL History.

Julius Peppers – One of the greatest athletes for his size I’ve ever seen. 6’6 280 and ran a 4.6. Put up great production and was dominant. He was also College Basketball’s 6th man of the year. He was the prototypical DE.

DT Dan Wilkinson – A 6’4 345lbs beast from The Ohio State University. An absolute monster in the middle Wilkinson had great production and was a consensus first team All-American in his junior year. Was the first pick in 1994 draft.

Buck Buchanan – The first pick in the 1963 AFL Draft, Buchanan was physically ahead of his time. At 6’7 287lbs, Buchanan was timed at an amazing 10.2 seconds in the 100 meter coming out of college; an absolutely amazing time for someone his size. Had an very rare combination of size and speed that has yet to be seen from a DT since.

LB Lawrence Taylor – The most reckless and intense player to ever to play the game, LT was unstoppable. In his senior year he had 16 sacks and set many records. He was All-American and ACC Player of the Year. At 6’3 245 and great speed Taylor was widely regarded as the top player coming into the 1981 Draft.

Dick Butkus – A two time consensus All-American, Butkus was one of the greatest players in college football history. Butkus was huge for his time at 6’3 245 and has very good size by today standards. Butkus was relentless and one of the most feared players coming out of college.

LaVar Arrington – LaVar had the perfect size for an LB, 6’3 255lbs and ran a 4.5. Arrington was a beast with freakish size speed combo. His signature play, “The Lavar Leap” displayed his great athletism. Was the winner of the Butkus and the Bednarik Awards.

CB Charles Woodson – The only defensive player to ever win the Heisman. He made spectacular INT and punt returns. Played CB, WR, KR, PR. Was the star on his National Championship team.

Deion Sanders – Primetime is often considered one of the fastest palyers in college football history along with one of the greatest athletes. He was the deintion of a shutdown corner and had amazing skill at returning kicks.

S Sean Taylor – A 6’3 225 DB is something you rarely see. Sean Taylor was one of the hardest hitters I’ve ever seen. Had the ability to take over games. He also led college football with 10 INT’s in his senior year.

Bennie Blades – Was a key part of Miami’s 1987 National Championship. Had good size at 6’1 220. Was very fast. He also won the Thorpe Award. Was the 3rd overall pick in 1988.

K Sebastian Janikowski – Had probably the strongest leg of any kicker ever. Was picked 17th overall.


Edit:

Honarable Mention
Mike Vick
JaMarcus Russell
Reggie Bush
Andre Johnson
Keyshawn Johnson
Kellen Winslow Jr
Courtney Brown
Aundray Bruce
Tommy Nobis
Champ Bailey
LaRon Landry

jbeans187
07-03-2007, 01:21 PM
I ve never heard of buck buchanan, sounds impressive.
I also think there is an argument for Reggie Bush at rb and you could add Kellen Winslow 2 to the TEs. Also another wr in Andre Johnson or Roy Williams. Maybe Robert Gallery too

Geaux Saints
07-03-2007, 01:22 PM
I'd put Mike Vick over Elway as a "prospect"

draftguru151
07-03-2007, 01:23 PM
Kellen Winslow Jr. was a better prospect than Vernon Davis. He didn't have a 4.38 40 but he was still the better prospect.

Geaux Saints
07-03-2007, 01:24 PM
Kellen Winslow Jr. was a better prospect than Vernon Davis. He didn't have a 4.38 40 but he was still the better prospect.

I think the point of this list was guys measurables. Vernon Davis' measurables murked out Kellen Winslow's.. but K2 is still the better player.

draftguru151
07-03-2007, 01:29 PM
Well he said prospect, not best measurables. And it's not like Winslow wasn't physically impressive himself. Not Davis, but there aren't many of him.

Geaux Saints
07-03-2007, 01:31 PM
Well he said prospect, not best measurables. And it's not like Winslow wasn't physically impressive himself. Not Davis, but there aren't many of him.

Thank you for proving my point.

He did say prospect, then went on to point out every single players "measurables" ... thats the only reason I would point Vernon ahead of K2. K2 is still the better player in my opinion.

cardsalltheway
07-03-2007, 02:18 PM
Thank you for proving my point.

He did say prospect, then went on to point out every single players "measurables" ... thats the only reason I would point Vernon ahead of K2. K2 is still the better player in my opinion.

There is a lot more to a prospect than just measurables. Davis had amazing measurables, but Winslow had fantastic hands, great size, awareness and wasn't lacking in measurables either.

America
07-03-2007, 02:32 PM
thats a really good list

YAYareaRB
07-03-2007, 02:35 PM
C'mon How could you put Vernon Davis in front of the F****** Soldier?

Geaux Saints
07-03-2007, 02:38 PM
There is a lot more to a prospect than just measurables. Davis had amazing measurables, but Winslow had fantastic hands, great size, awareness and wasn't lacking in measurables either.

I know there is more than that... but thats all the threadstarter used for his evidence. Look at every player.. it's 40 times and height weight... He's rating the best combine players at each position.

Oh, and if Winslows last name was Chang, he wouldn't have been a top 10 pick.

Acreboy
07-03-2007, 02:50 PM
Is anyone saying VD doesn't have good hands?

Yung Flippa
07-03-2007, 02:51 PM
I Would Probably Consider Putting LaRon Landry in there.
He's one rare Safety.

YAYareaRB
07-03-2007, 02:51 PM
I know there is more than that... but thats all the threadstarter used for his evidence. Look at every player.. it's 40 times and height weight... He's rating the best combine players at each position.

Oh, and if Winslows last name was Chang, he wouldn't have been a top 10 pick.

Are you racist against asians? No wonder Timmy Chang isn't on this list. :p

Geaux Saints
07-03-2007, 02:56 PM
Timmy just hooked it up with extra orange chicken at the local Panda Express. Timmy go.

Moses
07-03-2007, 02:59 PM
Very nice list TACKLE. Hard to disagree with anything on there.

cardsalltheway
07-03-2007, 03:15 PM
I Would Probably Consider Putting LaRon Landry in there.
He's one rare Safety.

I think Kenny Phillips will have that spot opposite of Taylor after this year

Paranoidmoonduck
07-03-2007, 04:01 PM
I also support Winslow over Davis.

Also, you should toss Keyshawn Johnson above Randy Moss.

Primetime21
07-03-2007, 04:09 PM
I think Vick should either put as best ATH prospect ever, or put over Elway. Just my opinion.

jbeans187
07-03-2007, 04:13 PM
I know there is more than that... but thats all the threadstarter used for his evidence. Look at every player.. it's 40 times and height weight... He's rating the best combine players at each position.

Oh, and if Winslows last name was Chang, he wouldn't have been a top 10 pick.

He still would have been a top 10 pick, did u ever see him play in college? Its best prospects not combine performances, Winslow was a better all around player than Davis coming out of school

Geaux Saints
07-03-2007, 04:30 PM
He still would have been a top 10 pick, did u ever see him play in college? Its best prospects not combine performances, Winslow was a better all around player than Davis coming out of school


I'm not saying he wasn't... once again the pathetic-ity (my original word) of the public school system is displayed. I never said he wasn't a better player, just not the "combine prospect" Davis was... which is obviously what the thread starter used to make his cases.

draftguru151
07-03-2007, 05:36 PM
I really don't think he was going for best combine players, he was just using those numbers as support. He said best prospects, and Davis was not a better prospect than Winslow.

Geaux Saints
07-03-2007, 05:39 PM
I really don't think he was going for best combine players, he was just using those numbers as support. He said best prospects, and Davis was not a better prospect than Winslow.

In your opinion.

draftguru151
07-03-2007, 05:58 PM
Well do you think Davis is a better prospect? You keep saying it's just measurables.

Geaux Saints
07-03-2007, 06:00 PM
I woulda taken Kellen because of his gene pool alone. Not to mention being far more NFL ready, a better blocker, better route runner, etc. Some NFL teams would prefer Vernon though based on measurables alone (Raiders) ... but I'm takin K2 all day.

PACKmanN
07-03-2007, 06:03 PM
where AJ Hawk? if Bush went to the Texans AJ Hawk would have gone second overall.

Geaux Saints
07-03-2007, 06:06 PM
where AJ Hawk? if Bush went to the Texans AJ Hawk would have gone second overall.

So you're saying he was a better prospect then Lawrence Taylor?

VY10
07-03-2007, 06:30 PM
Very good list.

VY10
07-03-2007, 06:31 PM
So you're saying he was a better prospect then Lawrence Taylor?

Hahahaha thats funny. +rep.

TACKLE
07-03-2007, 08:05 PM
Well he said prospect, not best measurables. And it's not like Winslow wasn't physically impressive himself. Not Davis, but there aren't many of him.

I understand what you're saying and it was really close between Vernon Davis and K2. K2 had better production but Vernon got the edge because he is probably the most physically gifted TE ever to come into the NFL.

elway777
07-03-2007, 08:37 PM
Everson Griffen, Tyron Smith and Taylor Mays will own this thread soon.

ATLDirtyBirds
07-03-2007, 09:20 PM
Nice list. I could make an arguement for you putting Vick over Elway, same goes for Winslow.

DraftMichaelHuff
07-03-2007, 09:28 PM
Deffinatly Vick over Elway.
As a prospect when you're going on measurables, i deffinately think an unprecidented 4.2-4.3 40 (for a QB) and a cannon arm signifies a greater prospect, than a guy with above average speed (for a qb) , similiar arm strength but with the advantage of prototypical size (something often seen in 1st round QB's)

TACKLE
07-03-2007, 09:30 PM
I ve never heard of buck buchanan, sounds impressive.

He's in Pro Football HOF. He was a DT for the Chiefs.

LB51
07-03-2007, 10:01 PM
for linebacker Tommy Nobis was a hell LB propect as well

jbeans187
07-04-2007, 12:34 AM
Everson Griffen, Tyron Smith and Taylor Mays will own this thread soon.

Taylor Mays will be on this in 2 years without a doubt

Gribble
07-04-2007, 09:41 AM
I don't understand the Vick over Elway argument... Vick was an athletic QB prospect, while Elway was probably the greatest QB prospect ever.

I think Reggie Bush could be on here.

senormysterioso
07-04-2007, 10:06 AM
For the sake of discussion, maybe Courtney Brown over Mario? It's about a push in terms of hype and measurables. Bruce Smith? Lee Roy Selmon?
Possibly Keyshawn Johnson or Tim Brown over Randy Moss?
Hard to argue with your RB's but Ki-Jana Carter, Gale Sayers, OJ Simpson, Reggie Bush, Walter Payton, and Jim Brown should be in the discussion at least.
Kellen Winslow II has been mentioned but what about Sr? He was the 13th overall pick in 1979.
Chuck Bednarik should be in the discussion at center or linebacker.
I think Elway is the guy at QB just because the Chargers didn't want him. They saw something that the rest of world didn't and they haven't regretted their choice.

food for thought...

YAYareaRB
07-04-2007, 10:45 AM
I think you should make your own position for Reggie Bush. I think he deserves to be on this list, not at RB but like ATH or somthing.

Jonathan_VIlma
07-04-2007, 11:04 AM
How is Andre Johnson not on this list? He was one of the most physically gifted prospects ever, let alone receivers.

YAYareaRB
07-04-2007, 11:08 AM
How is Andre Johnson not on this list? He was one of the most physically gifted prospects ever, let alone receivers.

What makes him more special than Calvin Johnson?

jbeans187
07-04-2007, 12:09 PM
He was the best prospect before Calvin

YAYareaRB
07-04-2007, 12:26 PM
He was the best prospect before Calvin

Exactly my point. CJ is the best PROSPECT to come around in a long time.

jbeans187
07-04-2007, 02:35 PM
I agree CJ is the best wr prospect ever, but Andre Johnson is probabally the second best

badgerbacker
07-04-2007, 04:08 PM
I agree CJ is the best wr prospect ever, but Andre Johnson is probabally the second bestWasn't Charles Rogers taken before him?

Moses
07-04-2007, 04:27 PM
Exactly my point. CJ is the best PROSPECT to come around in a long time.

Disagree. Reggie Bush was better.

BamaFalcon59
07-05-2007, 08:50 AM
Courtney Brown over Mario or Peppers is a good arguement.

marks01234
07-05-2007, 11:09 AM
Well do you think Davis is a better prospect? You keep saying it's just measurables.

Better hands, Less off the field problems, higher Wonderlic.

Not saying I think Davis was a better prospect than Winslow but I do think it is up for debate.

On the list, I'd replace Moss with Andre Johnson. 6'3" 215+ with 4.3 speed.

marks01234
07-05-2007, 11:10 AM
Courtney Brown over Mario or Peppers is a good arguement.

I could buy both of these actually. Brown was a freak. Heck, he had more than 40 tackles for a loss in his senior year.

guru4eva
07-05-2007, 10:52 PM
how about brian bosworth in there for LB???
atleast an honorable mention..he was a monster

draftguru151
07-05-2007, 10:54 PM
Better hands, Less off the field problems, higher Wonderlic.

Not saying I think Davis was a better prospect than Winslow but I do think it is up for debate.

On the list, I'd replace Moss with Andre Johnson. 6'3" 215+ with 4.3 speed.

Davis didn't have better hands than Winslow. And the only off the field issues Winslow has were the f'in solider comment.

jbeans187
07-05-2007, 10:59 PM
Wasn't Charles Rogers taken before him?

Lions drafted him, until this year who they drafted had no credibility

LitoSheppard
07-05-2007, 11:32 PM
i forget if its Samuels, but i think Chris Samuels ran like a 4.48 or something

bennybee38
07-05-2007, 11:39 PM
chris samuels? a 4.48? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Sniper
07-06-2007, 12:16 AM
Davis didn't have better hands than Winslow. And the only off the field issues Winslow has were the f'in solider comment.

That's no off the field issue. K2 IS a ******* soldier!

Sniper
07-06-2007, 12:17 AM
Better hands, Less off the field problems, higher Wonderlic.

Not saying I think Davis was a better prospect than Winslow but I do think it is up for debate.

On the list, I'd replace Moss with Andre Johnson. 6'3" 215+ with 4.3 speed.

Since when has the Wonderlic actually meant anything? Frank Gore and his 6 score say it doesn't matter.

407Niner
07-06-2007, 01:00 AM
Shawne Merriman needs to be on the list somehow

TACKLE
07-06-2007, 11:05 AM
how about brian bosworth in there for LB???
atleast an honorable mention..he was a monster

Boz was on roids and was kicked off his team. He had to go into the supplemental draft.

JoeMontainya
07-06-2007, 09:41 PM
"This is a team made up of the greatest draft prospects ever. Whether they are HOFers or draft busts they're all on the list. "

If thats how this list was based upon, then I can name plenty of QB's that deserved honerable mention over Jamarus Russell.


Nice to see Orlando Pace on that list, the dude almost won the Heisman for christ sakes. Have you ever heard of a LT getting player of the year in their conference? Most people didnt even know he ran a 40 officially at 4.7 in college.

KW2 > Davis any day of my life. So what if Vernon ran fast, he was in spandex and track cleats, football speed is so much different that track speed and Ive heard that Vernons natural instincts on the football field dont compare to KW2's. His route running, blocking, and hands arent at the level of KW2's either. And to top it off Winslow is one of the fastest TE's in the NFL, so its not like hes lacking in that category.