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bearfan
07-23-2007, 07:59 PM
Just finished the book and thought it was pretty good
What I wanna know is the experience w/ Dumbledore.Harry didnt die, but how did he get Dumbledore there in his state? And I think that JK left it open maybe so then they could do another book later....maybe. I thought the ending was just kinda not quite what I expected the finale to the book to be.
ShutDwn
07-23-2007, 10:55 PM
I liked the book, a lot. I can't believe it is over... No more adventures at Hogwarts...
I'm really kind of sad.
Boston
07-24-2007, 03:11 AM
Just finished it. Great book, probably the best in the series. I loved the Chamber of Secrets inclusion. Though I kind of saw it coming when the sword was stolen and they decided they needed to go back to Howgwars.
I didn't like the epilouge at all. It seemed rushed, pointless, and relatively fairy-tailish with the "His scar had not hurt in 19 years, and that's what he wanted" or something like that. It could have helped portray the losses of Tonks, Remus and Fred. There's really about a sentence where it is stated that Tonks and Remus are dead, and Fred maybe got a paragraph, and you didn't really end up feeling the death like you did Dumbledore's, Moody's, or even Hedwig's. The epilouge could have shown the Ministry being put back together, the stories of the people associated with the Order, the resistance, etc. and, above all, shown what sacrifice truly meant. The ending seemd rushed, but the main part of the book was great.
255979119
07-24-2007, 04:58 AM
Just finished the book and thought it was pretty good
What I wanna know is the experience w/ Dumbledore.Harry didnt die, but how did he get Dumbledore there in his state? And I think that JK left it open maybe so then they could do another book later....maybe. I thought the ending was just kinda not quite what I expected the finale to the book to be.
It was the Deathly Hallows, was it not?
bearfan
07-24-2007, 07:25 AM
It was the Deathly Hallows, was it not?
Are you talking about the Kings Cross chapter? And about that, I now think that Harry was in a sort of Limbo. Dumbledore said that he could get on the train and move on, or he could go back.
Hail Browns
07-24-2007, 10:07 AM
Finished the book, enjoyed it thoroughly. Sad that it's over.
It was the Deathly Hallows, was it not?
That's how I read it. Because of the Hallows being combined at that point, remember Draco's wand was the Elder Wand at that point, Harry would have been the master of death at that point. However, the fact that he dropped the resurrection stone in the forest before reaching Voldemort has me still trying to figure that part out as well.
Damix
07-24-2007, 05:12 PM
Just finished, I was away at a wedding from Wed-Mon, was sitting at my door when I got back, I cut myself off from all people except to go to work so I wouldn't read any spoilers.
I enjoyed, but its a little weird that there is no more books
255979119
07-24-2007, 05:46 PM
Just finished, I was away at a wedding from Wed-Mon, was sitting at my door when I got back, I cut myself off from all people except to go to work so I wouldn't read any spoilers.
I enjoyed, but its a little weird that there is no more books
I for one hope she puts out a short book describing the aftermath of the events that took place that include a short biography of all the major characters.
comahan
07-24-2007, 05:51 PM
This isnt Book 7 news, but Naomi Watts has been cast as Narcissa Malfoy in the Half Blood Prince Movie.
255979119
07-24-2007, 05:55 PM
This isnt Book 7 news, but Naomi Watts has been cast as Narcissa Malfoy in the Half Blood Prince Movie.
Good pick for the character. I am anxious to see Greyback.
comahan
07-24-2007, 05:59 PM
Good pick for the character. I am anxious to see Greyback.
Joseph Fiennes (http://imdb.com/name/nm0001212/) (brother of Ralph Fiennes, who plays Voldemort), and Stuart Townsend (http://imdb.com/name/nm0870204/) have also been added, so maybe one of them.
However, I can easily see them skipping over Greyback. He doesnt do anything essential to the plot at all. As far as I know he bites Lupin as a child (Lupin is barely in the films), hes up on the tower when Snape kills Dumbledore (could easily just have Snape and Malfoy up there), and he bites Bill during the battle (who is never in the films).
Boston
07-24-2007, 06:01 PM
I wonder who is going to play various Tom Riddles.
Philliez01
07-24-2007, 06:04 PM
Am I the only one that thought they could've done better casting Lupin? I didn't think the description in the book completely fit the movie casting though that is a pretty hard thing to do anyway.
Damix
07-24-2007, 06:15 PM
As the 5th movie was PG-13, the 7th might be bordering on an R rating.
Tampa 2 4 life
07-24-2007, 06:17 PM
Didn't Rowling say she wrote the Last 2 or 3 chapters before she wrote the first one somewhere?
comahan
07-24-2007, 06:28 PM
Didn't Rowling say she wrote the Last 2 or 3 chapters before she wrote the first one somewhere?
I think she wrote the epilogue like 12 years ago, or something.
JT Jag
07-24-2007, 06:42 PM
I think she wrote the epilogue like 12 years ago, or something.It's probably why she insisted on not expanding it, even though the editor likely suggested it.
comahan
07-24-2007, 06:51 PM
In an interview with the Today Show, JK Rowling revealed who the character is that received a reprieve in Deathly Hallows. Highlight between the arrows to read who it is! --> Arthur Weasley <--
Additionally, Jo announced that she "probably will" create a Harry Potter encyclopedia! From NBC's website:
The encyclopedia would include back stories of characters she has already written but had to cut for the sake of narrative arc (“I've said before that Dean Thomas had a much more interesting history than ever appeared in the books”), as well as details about the characters who survive “Deathly Hallows,” characters who continue to live on in Rowling’s mind in a clearly defined magical world.
Click here (http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/19935372/) to read the full article, including full details on the character reprieve. But BEWARE of spoilers if you haven't read Deathly Hallows yet!
Exxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxcellent. All of the people wanting more answers will probably have them.
Staubach12
07-24-2007, 06:59 PM
Just finished. It was good. The King's Cross chapter was weird.
Boston
07-24-2007, 07:16 PM
Just finished. It was good. The King's Cross chapter was weird.
I liked it. It provided answers that were left hanging. It reminded me of the scene in Bruce Almighty where he gets hit by the bus, and he talks to god.
badgerbacker
07-24-2007, 07:16 PM
That's how I read it. Because of the Hallows being combined at that point, remember Draco's wand was the Elder Wand at that point, Harry would have been the master of death at that point. However, the fact that he dropped the resurrection stone in the forest before reaching Voldemort has me still trying to figure that part out as well.
Remember, Draco was the "controller" of the Elder wand, but it never touched his hands. It went straight from Dumbledore's grave to Voldmort, to Harry. Voldmort had the Elder wand, he just wasn't it's owner if I understood correctly.
shavedaeyebrow2
07-24-2007, 09:17 PM
In an interview with the Today Show, JK Rowling revealed who the character is that received a reprieve in Deathly Hallows. Highlight between the arrows to read who it is! --> Arthur Weasley <--
Additionally, Jo announced that she "probably will" create a Harry Potter encyclopedia! From NBC's website:
The encyclopedia would include back stories of characters she has already written but had to cut for the sake of narrative arc (“I've said before that Dean Thomas had a much more interesting history than ever appeared in the books”), as well as details about the characters who survive “Deathly Hallows,” characters who continue to live on in Rowling’s mind in a clearly defined magical world.
Click here (http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/19935372/) to read the full article, including full details on the character reprieve. But BEWARE of spoilers if you haven't read Deathly Hallows yet!
Exxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxcellent. All of the people wanting more answers will probably have them.
Nice, Harry Potter is not over yet! I really am wondering how she is going to do the encyclopedia. Hopefully she goes really in depth with the characters, rather then just giving a paragraph on each.
bearfan
07-24-2007, 09:36 PM
Remember, Draco was the "controller" of the Elder wand, but it never touched his hands. It went straight from Dumbledore's grave to Voldmort, to Harry. Voldmort had the Elder wand, he just wasn't it's owner if I understood correctly.
You are correct in that Voldemort wasnt the true owner. The Elder wand could only be possessed by the winner of a duel or whatnot. Harry beat out Malfoy and got his wand, so because he did, the owner at the time (Malfoy) switched to Harry because Harry had won. Voldemort had control over the wand, just never tapped the full potential of it because he wasnt the true owner
scottyboy
07-24-2007, 09:39 PM
im just about to read the last chapter and the after-wards part. been a good book so far and looking forward to see how it ends. Some of the deaths made me unhappy, mainly the 1st death known to the readers during the flight(to not give anything away...)
doingthisinsteadofwork
07-25-2007, 02:07 PM
What do you think happened to the Marauders Map?Did Harry give it to Teddy or James.
Sniper
07-25-2007, 02:08 PM
Just finished the book. I thought it was very good. The King's Cross deal threw me wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy off but I thought it was a brilliant idea.
What do you think happened to the Marauders Map?Did Harry give it to Teddy or James.
Marauders Map to Teddy, Invisible Cloak to James perhaps?
Giantsfan1080
07-25-2007, 09:34 PM
I don't think this was mentioned but J.K. Rowling will be making a Harry Potter encyclopedia that will go into depth about the different wizarding familes and everything else. Apparently Dean Thomas has quite a big history but it was all left out of the book. Also, Arthur Weasley was supposed to die in OOTP but Rowling gave him a reprieve. She will also go into detail about the future of Potter and such.
Scotty D
07-25-2007, 09:36 PM
I don't think this was mentioned but J.K. Rowling will be making a Harry Potter encyclopedia that will go into depth about the different wizarding familes and everything else. Apparently Dean Thomas has quite a big history but it was all left out of the book. Also, Arthur Weasley was supposed to die in OOTP but Rowling gave him a reprieve. She will also go into detail about the future of Potter and such.
Its all about the money. You don't think she could have put that stuff in this book?
Giantsfan1080
07-25-2007, 09:37 PM
Its all about the money. You don't think she could have put that stuff in this book?
Well she's already a billionaire so I'm not sure how much about the money it is. I don't think she wanted to make the books too too long.
I think it's more about product control than money. You that eventually the publishers are going to push prequels or sequels, and without seeing the contracts, you can't guess where the intellectual rights lie. If she clearly spells out the Potter universe now, no one will hijack her characters and write their own stories.
Moses
07-26-2007, 08:16 AM
Its all about the money. You don't think she could have put that stuff in this book?
She said that all proceeds from the encyclopedia would go to charity. Also, she's rich enough that money is likely of little importance to her.
wiscbadgerfootball
07-26-2007, 01:10 PM
best book of the series.. loved it
BlindSite
07-26-2007, 04:39 PM
She said that all proceeds from the encyclopedia would go to charity. Also, she's rich enough that money is likely of little importance to her.
Her book about creatures and one about quidditch have all proceeds go to needy kids.
doingthisinsteadofwork
07-26-2007, 04:41 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19959323/
JT Jag
07-26-2007, 07:08 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19959323/Well that's helpful, although it didn't tell me a lot that I didn't already suspect.
DChess
07-27-2007, 03:54 PM
just read it and i think it was the best out of all of them. but throughout the book i kept looking at how many pages i had left, and was realizing there were no more books to the story, kinda sad.
Overall I loved the book. For such an anticipated book for such a successful series, I was impressed at the job JK Rowling did in closing the Harry Potter series. Of course, there were some parts I did not particularly like.
SPOILER ALERT
Things I didn't like:
1. The King's Cross chapter. I thought it was kind of a cop-out by JK to just explain loads of loose ends by inserting Dumbledore in Harry's limbo world.
2. The Epilogue. It was a let down. Either she should have made the epilogue really short.. or much longer. Instead, it was a tweener that kinda disappointed me.
3. I hate Harry vs. Voldy scene. For a wizard with such "skill", all voldemort ever did was that stupid avada kedavra killing curse. I wanted a longer fighting scene (similar to the Dumbledore/Voldemort fight in HP5).
Things I liked:
1. Snape's memory: This was PERFECT. While it may have been obvious to some, I had never expected it... After killing Dumbledore and numerous mentionings of him as a Death Eater, blowing off George's ear, etc, finding out that he was a spy the whole time (and how it fit memory by memory all due to Lily) was fantastic!
2. Dumbledore's past was a great addition. Grindelwaldd subplot was well done along with his whole family situation. I liked it a lot.
3. I enjoyed the mystery of the Deathly Hallows. I thought the whole series was going to be banked on the horcruxes, but I'm glad that JK put in stuff liek the Deathly Hallows.
4. Mrs. Weasly saying... "DON'T TOUCH MY DAUGHTER YOU *****" LOL
Question:
1.I don't really know why the series is called Harry Potter and the DEATHLY HALLOWS... they werren't really introduced til in the middle of the book and in the end, Harry chose not to seek the ownership of the Deathly Hallows, rite?
SidneyG
07-29-2007, 03:24 PM
Quick question, can i ask aquestion about the book now ? Finished reading it a couple of days ago (really enjoyed it ) but have a question about the sword that is driving me crazy. Just don't want to get banned or suspended.
Quick question, can i ask aquestion about the book now ? Finished reading it a couple of days ago (really enjoyed it ) but have a question about the sword that is driving me crazy. Just don't want to get banned or suspended.
No worries man, go right ahead. Enough people have already put spoilers up and way back someone said that everything was free game from that time onward.
JT Jag
07-29-2007, 03:29 PM
1.I don't really know why the series is called Harry Potter and the DEATHLY HALLOWSThe book is as much about Dumbledore as it is about Harry, and much of Dumbledore's backstory revolves around the Deathly Hallows.
SidneyG
07-29-2007, 03:34 PM
Okay the thing that I can't figure ouy is that i thought the goblin had the sword when Harry and his crew robbed the bank. How did they end up with it and how did Neville end up with it during that great battle scene . I was thrilled that Neville's character developed the way it did .
comahan
07-29-2007, 03:37 PM
Okay the thing that I can't figure ouy is that i thought the goblin had the sword when Harry and his crew robbed the bank. How did they end up with it and how did Neville end up with it during that great battle scene . I was thrilled that Neville's character developed the way it did .
Voldemort was teasing Neville and put the sorting hat on him, saying that there will be no more sorting, then Neville pulled it out of the hat like Harry in Book 2.
The sword appears in the hat when a true gryffindor needs it. The sword doesnt just stay in the hat or anything, it appears there. It wasnt with Neville when he pulled it out, but it wasnt with Harry in the Chamber of Secrets either. I suppose its just enchanted to go from one place to the hat in a time of need.
SidneyG
07-29-2007, 03:44 PM
So i am not crazy then right ? The goblin did have it but when Neville needed it it left the backstabbing goblin and transported to Neville am I right ? By the way I wonder what happened to Kreacher after the battle did he go back to the Black 's family house . I wonder also where do Harry and Ginnie live Godric's Hollow or Sirrius old house .
comahan
07-29-2007, 03:54 PM
So i am not crazy then right ? The goblin did have it but when Neville needed it it left the backstabbing goblin and transported to Neville am I right ? By the way I wonder what happened to Kreacher after the battle did he go back to the Black 's family house . I wonder also where do Harry and Ginnie live Godric's Hollow or Sirrius old house .
No you arent crazy. Griphook ran off with the sword when they were at Gringotts.
Your other questions are material for her Encyclopedia :p
rainbeaukid2
07-29-2007, 04:18 PM
i finished it and i thought it was great although i still had some questions
1. did i miss something because i never got how malfoy was the "true master" of the elder wand?
2. why didn't the final fight between harry and voldemort take more time or go in-depth, it seemed like one curse and that was it?
comahan
07-29-2007, 04:23 PM
i finished it and i thought it was great although i still had some questions
1. did i miss something because i never got how malfoy was the "true master" of the elder wand?
2. why didn't the final fight between harry and voldemort take more time or go in-depth, it seemed like one curse and that was it?
1) The Elder Wand itself recognizes the defeat of its master at the hands of another wizard and shows its loyalty (meaning, it will work properly) to the new wizard. Dumbledore was the owner of the wand after defeating Grindlewald. Dumbledore was disarmed by Draco on top of the tower at the end of book 6, thus he was 'defeated'. Snape didnt become the master of the wand because one, it was already draco's, and two, the wand will not recognize a new master if its not done by force, meaning snapes killing of dumbledore was planned, and therefore wouldnt have worked anyway. So to answer your question, the wands loyalty changed hands from Dumbledore to Draco when Draco disarmed Dumbledore on the tower in Half Blood Prince.
2) I agree, it should have been more than the one deflected curse.
rainbeaukid2
07-29-2007, 04:24 PM
1) The Elder Wand itself recognizes the defeat of its master at the hands of another wizard and shows its loyalty (meaning, it will work properly) to the new wizard. Dumbledore was the owner of the wand after defeating Grindlewald. Dumbledore was disarmed by Draco on top of the tower at the end of book 6, thus he was 'defeated'. Snape didnt become the master of the wand because one, it was already draco's, and two, the wand will not recognize a new master if its not done by force, meaning snapes killing of dumbledore was planned, and therefore wouldnt have worked anyway. So to answer your question, the wands loyalty changed hands from Dumbledore to Draco when Draco disarmed Dumbledore on the tower in Half Blood Prince.
2) I agree, it should have been more than the one deflected curse.
thank you for the clarification, seems like i need to go back and read half-blood prince again
RoyHall#1
07-29-2007, 07:05 PM
Dumb question here... how exactly did Voldy die? Why did his killing curse rebound? BEcause it was really Harry's wand or because Harry used Expelliarmus?
jackalope
07-29-2007, 07:52 PM
Really enjoyed the last book, although as I was reading it I realized I forgot a lot from the previous books.
EDIT: I had also heard going into book 7 that one of the big 3 was definitely going to die, so it had a happier ending than I expected.
Xiomera
07-29-2007, 09:33 PM
True of False -
The most shocking and odd moment was when Harry blew up his owl.
It definitely made me go, WTF?
Beans
07-29-2007, 09:36 PM
True of False -
The most shocking and odd moment was when Harry blew up his owl.
It definitely made me go, WTF?
yeah that was a bit odd
True of False -
The most shocking and odd moment was when Harry blew up his owl.
It definitely made me go, WTF?
I know I cried. Hedwig was a beast and in no way did he deserve to die..so uncalled for.
Xiomera
07-30-2007, 09:28 AM
I know I cried. Hedwig was a beast and in no way did he deserve to die..so uncalled for.
I was hoping we'd finally get to see the long anticipated showdown between Hedwig and Voldemort. That poor bird always had to listen to Harry's stories about his hear-death experiences, and how Voldemort is so hard to beat . . . Hedwig could have at least scrated the bastards eyes out! Tell me that wouldn't have given Harry a leg up on defeating Voldemort . . . AVADA KEDAVRA's flying every where cause he can't see . . . it was a fumbled plot point if you ask me.
255979119
07-30-2007, 12:56 PM
Dumb question here... how exactly did Voldy die? Why did his killing curse rebound? BEcause it was really Harry's wand or because Harry used Expelliarmus?
The Elder wand will not harm its own master.
keylime_5
07-30-2007, 03:53 PM
finished it today. Loved the ending, especially the epilogue. She's a great writer.
Boston
07-30-2007, 09:43 PM
finished it today. Loved the ending, especially the epilogue. She's a great writer.
How did you like the epilouge? It was so corny it really wasn't worth the time it took to write.
comahan
07-30-2007, 09:53 PM
How did you like the epilouge? It was so corny it really wasn't worth the time it took to write.
It wasnt bad. It was essentially the exact same thing as book 1. It ended where it started. The same style and feel to it when Harry was boarding the train for the first time as when his kids did it.
It simply seemed out of place following such a dark book.
Xiomera
07-30-2007, 09:55 PM
Yeah, I found the Epilogue to be kinda lame. The series was amazing, and I had hoped for a better sign-off.
Philliez01
07-30-2007, 09:57 PM
It wasnt bad. It was essentially the exact same thing as book 1. It ended where it started. The same style and feel to it when Harry was boarding the train for the first time as when his kids did it.
It simply seemed out of place following such a dark book.
Yeah, I agree. It was rather sad to me though still as I know there are no more Hogwarts adventures going on ever. I am going to read all the books in order again but there was such a feeling of formality to.
Did anyone think that parts of the book seemed..rushed? Like in one paragraph they mention how they were preparing to infilitrate the Ministry after the Lupin debacle.
Kinda noticed how Moony, Wormtail, Prongs and Padfoot are all dead. Sad about Dobby and Hedwig, the flight was a good way to begin the book.
Xiomera
07-30-2007, 09:59 PM
Did anyone think that parts of the book seemed..rushed? Like in one paragraph they mention how they were preparing to infilitrate the Ministry after the Lupin debacle.
Yes. This book had some weird pacing issues, IMO. Much of the middle of the book could have been condensed, and there were more scenes that really should have been expanded.
I would have liked to see Harry go into his house in Godric's Hollow for one.
Xiomera
07-30-2007, 10:01 PM
I also wish Wormtails death was a little more, shall we say, exciting . . .
After hardly making an appearance since the end of book 4, I would have liked to see him actually play a role of some sort. Or at least have one last conversation with Harry.
comahan
07-30-2007, 10:07 PM
I also wish Wormtails death was a little more, shall we say, exciting . . .
After hardly making an appearance since the end of book 4, I would have liked to see him actually play a role of some sort. Or at least have one last conversation with Harry.
Something i completely looked over I guess, that I was reminded of today, were Voldemorts words of "may your allegiance never waiver" or something like that, as he gave wormtail his new hand. I was wondering why his hand choked himself.
Anyway, yea. While I was reading that, it kinda came from nowhere, and was then never mentioned again. Oh well.
His small appearance did play a role though, with the remorse Dumbledore said he would show, and his debt was repayed, allowing Harry and co. to escape Malfoy manor while Voldy was coming.
Boston
07-30-2007, 10:08 PM
It wasnt bad. It was essentially the exact same thing as book 1. It ended where it started. The same style and feel to it when Harry was boarding the train for the first time as when his kids did it.
It simply seemed out of place following such a dark book.
It seemed forced. It didn't really even come close to doing the book justice. The "Albus Severus" part had me shaking my head.
Xiomera
07-30-2007, 10:29 PM
Something i completely looked over I guess, that I was reminded of today, were Voldemorts words of "may your allegiance never waiver" or something like that, as he gave wormtail his new hand. I was wondering why his hand choked himself.
Anyway, yea. While I was reading that, it kinda came from nowhere, and was then never mentioned again. Oh well.
His small appearance did play a role though, with the remorse Dumbledore said he would show, and his debt was repayed, allowing Harry and co. to escape Malfoy manor while Voldy was coming.
When I think about re-paying a life debt, I would have expected something a little more heroic, or even more significant that momentarily hesitating. It's not like he died in sacrifice or something.
thule
07-31-2007, 02:03 AM
Wormtail was a coward...I would expect nothing heroic from him...he wasn't that type of character. He technically did sacrifice himself since he was sent to make sure everything was ok...by sacrificing himself he basically made the book happen.
Xiomera
07-31-2007, 09:31 AM
Wormtail was a coward...I would expect nothing heroic from him...he wasn't that type of character. He technically did sacrifice himself since he was sent to make sure everything was ok...by sacrificing himself he basically made the book happen.
OK, maybe heroic was the wrong word to use, but my point remains . . . I feel like his death was, shall we say, a lot less interesting than it ought have been.
keylime_5
07-31-2007, 09:56 AM
Keep in mind that Harry Potter is basically a kid's book written in about a 6th grade reading level. She didn't put too much in the epilogue which was good, left a lot to the readers imagination of what they thought happened to the other minor characters. I like how Harry acknowledged Snape as possibly the bravest man he ever knew, how Ginny/Harry and Ron/Hermione got marreid; how it mentions Neville as herbology professor, and how Draco was no longer Harry's sworn enemy. It was great that they were at the train station with his kids, kinda right back where they started, and that the book ends, "all was well." Like JK said, it was a perfect way to end the series IMO. If you want more stuff on what happened to everyone else you can always wait for her to release an encyclopedia. (or you could read her responses to questions about other characters in news interviews, etc. I know she said Ron and Harry are both aurors and Hermione is high in some ministry dept.)
Philliez01
07-31-2007, 10:29 AM
Keep in mind that Harry Potter is basically a kid's book written in about a 6th grade reading level. She didn't put too much in the epilogue which was good, left a lot to the readers imagination of what they thought happened to the other minor characters. I like how Harry acknowledged Snape as possibly the bravest man he ever knew, how Ginny/Harry and Ron/Hermione got marreid; how it mentions Neville as herbology professor, and how Draco was no longer Harry's sworn enemy. It was great that they were at the train station with his kids, kinda right back where they started, and that the book ends, "all was well." Like JK said, it was a perfect way to end the series IMO. If you want more stuff on what happened to everyone else you can always wait for her to release an encyclopedia. (or you could read her responses to questions about other characters in news interviews, etc. I know she said Ron and Harry are both aurors and Hermione is high in some ministry dept.)
Sorcerer's Stone, Chamber of Secrets and Prisoner of Azkaban were all for "little kids" so to speak but as soon as GoF came out; I felt that the reading level dramatically improved. Like Damix said earlier, I wouldn't be shocked if DH may push an R rating.
The ending of a book just seemed, eh. The greatest Dark Wizard (maybe even greatest wizard) in Lord Voldemort died in a lame way, in my opinion. I wish there was just more dialogue between "Tom" and Harry. Like they could've made it similiar to the epic one in GoF. I mean the whole series lead up to Voldemort Vs. Harry's final battle and the whole DH part was interesting but the battle was just not my expectation.
It just seemed rushed. The book was great, yes, but so many characters just seemed "lumped in". Oliver Wood, Umbridge, then the Chamber of Secrets just made cameos. The Wedding was rather cool, though the cafe part did have me scratching my head.
Also the perfect real ending, would've been seeing the Daily Prophet the next day after Voldemort's death. You really didn't get the sense of happiness that the wizarding world had 17 or so years earlier. I was expecting mass euphoria, but it didn't show up.
Whatever happened to the Weasleys Owl, Errol?
Xiomera
07-31-2007, 11:05 AM
Keep in mind that Harry Potter is basically a kid's book written in about a 6th grade reading level. She didn't put too much in the epilogue which was good, left a lot to the readers imagination of what they thought happened to the other minor characters. I like how Harry acknowledged Snape as possibly the bravest man he ever knew, how Ginny/Harry and Ron/Hermione got marreid; how it mentions Neville as herbology professor, and how Draco was no longer Harry's sworn enemy. It was great that they were at the train station with his kids, kinda right back where they started, and that the book ends, "all was well." Like JK said, it was a perfect way to end the series IMO. If you want more stuff on what happened to everyone else you can always wait for her to release an encyclopedia. (or you could read her responses to questions about other characters in news interviews, etc. I know she said Ron and Harry are both aurors and Hermione is high in some ministry dept.)
Sorry, but I don't see too many 6th graders keeping up with that crazy complex ending of Deathly Hallows. It all came down to some strange wizarding world technicalities regarding wand ownership, life, death, and such.
The series quickly evolved into much more than a childrens series once we reached the 4th book.
keylime_5
07-31-2007, 06:02 PM
Okay, to say that Deathly Hallows might push an R rating is ********. The vast majority of fans to the Harry Potter films are between ages 10 and 16, so I think that it is more likely to be rated G than R. (neither of which will happen). HP 4 and 5 were barely pg13, almost PG. I HP7 ends up rated R I will sell any one of you my house and all my posessions.
Anyways, I can't wait for that film to come out, very intersted to see how they handle the Battle of Hogwarts on the silver screen. The first 5 filims got better and better with ever new movie release (Though I wish that the hair style and color of Michael Gambon's Dumbledore were more like Richard Harris' character...nothing at all like I imagine him in the books)
doingthisinsteadofwork
07-31-2007, 06:43 PM
I dont care much about the films anymore.they miss to much detail.no where near as good as the books.
Xiomera
07-31-2007, 07:43 PM
I dont care much about the films anymore.they miss to much detail.no where near as good as the books.
Yeah, it's clear the films now function solely as a money making opportunity now. The details and finer points of the books are only a means of getting from one super-CGI action sequence to another, with the occasional incredibly overhyped kissing/romance scene for all the 13 year old girls out there.
jackalope
07-31-2007, 09:41 PM
I had heard going into book 7 that one of the big 3 was definitely going to die. Was this just a rumor?
Philliez01
07-31-2007, 09:42 PM
I had heard going into book 7 that one of the big 3 was definitely going to die. Was this just a rumor?
Well if you read the book, you would know ;)
jackalope
07-31-2007, 10:10 PM
Well if you read the book, you would know ;)I know, but I thought that Rowling actually said it (that's what someone told me at least). I was wondering if Harry semi-dieing was an excuse for that or something, or if she just never actually said that.
Philliez01
08-01-2007, 12:08 AM
I know, but I thought that Rowling actually said it (that's what someone told me at least). I was wondering if Harry semi-dieing was an excuse for that or something, or if she just never actually said that.
I don't think she actually said that, I just remember the whole "2 people die, 1 gets reprieve"; I guess some added it up to equal 3?
DChess
08-01-2007, 03:12 PM
i dont think the 7th harry potter movie will do the book justice. mainly because they kinda rushed through the 5th one, and they could get away with it, also with the 6th one. but there is just way to much material in it for a movie
Bengals1690
08-01-2007, 06:43 PM
i loved the book, but some things just got on my nerves:
i hated how often harry gets into some **** and makes it out in the nick of time. Godrics Hollow, Gringotts, when he was flying to tonk's parents house, at the malfoys. It was dramatic but kind of corny.
Epilouge sucked. It basically said, "Harry and Ginny had some kids and Neville is the Herbology professor at hogwarst. Harrys scar didnt hurt anymore"\
but:
I think the Harry-Voldemort battle was just what it should have been. It was obvious that no one besides dumbledoere was on voldy's level, harry wouldnt have stood a chance.
Snapes mempry was the best chapter of the book. It explained alot.
i also enjoyed the Kinggs Cross chapter. And if you ask how dumbldore was there, i belive it was supposed to be a mystery. That was clear when dumbledore said "Of course this is in you head harry, but does that mean it cant be real? or something like that.
just my take.
keylime_5
08-01-2007, 10:10 PM
Agree about the Snape chapter, that was my favorite one. Looks like I'm the only here who actually liked the epilogue though, geez.
Regarding deaths, I was certain that Jo said that 2 characters would die in book 7. Considering she said 1 would die in books 4, 5, and 6 each, I was waiting to see who these 2 were, and I was certain that Voldemort would be one. Turns out that about a dozen characters died, so I'm a little baffled on that whole "2 will die" thing.
Giantsfan1080
08-01-2007, 10:12 PM
Agree about the Snape chapter, that was my favorite one. Looks like I'm the only here who actually liked the epilogue though, geez.
Regarding deaths, I was certain that Jo said that 2 characters would die in book 7. Considering she said 1 would die in books 4, 5, and 6 each, I was waiting to see who these 2 were, and I was certain that Voldemort would be one. Turns out that about a dozen characters died, so I'm a little baffled on that whole "2 will die" thing.
She said 2 manin characters would die. I guess the main characters were Voldemort and Fred since they appeared in name every book. I don't think Hedwig counted even though he was in every book as well.
255979119
08-02-2007, 12:55 AM
So after consideration I have decided to finally name my favourite books in order
HBP
GoF
DH
OotP
PS
CoS
PoA
RoyHall#1
08-02-2007, 10:27 AM
When the PoA is last, you know this is a great series.
Cashmoney
08-02-2007, 11:22 AM
She said 2 manin characters would die. I guess the main characters were Voldemort and Fred since they appeared in name every book. I don't think Hedwig counted even though he was in every book as well.
what about snape?
Philliez01
08-02-2007, 11:23 AM
For me it was:
GoF
OotP
PoA
DH
Stone
HBP
CoS
Giantsfan1080
08-02-2007, 11:41 AM
what about snape?
Ahh very true. I somehow forgot about him. So maybe Snape and Voldemort were the 2 main characters then. Who knows for sure.
Beans
08-02-2007, 11:57 AM
Ahh very true. I somehow forgot about him. So maybe Snape and Voldemort were the 2 main characters then. Who knows for sure.
Maybe she just lied :/
I'd need to go search for a link to support this, but I've read interviews with JK regarding the epilogue. Apparently, that was written nearly 15 years ago, one of the first things she ever wrote in the entire series. Rumor has it that the publisher requested that she change it, also feeling it wasn't a good fit, but she refused, so it was left as is.
comahan
08-02-2007, 12:12 PM
Heres the quote:
JKR: “The final chapter is hidden away, although it has now changed very slightly. One character got a reprieve , but I have to say two [main characters] die that I didn't intend to die."
The reprieve was Mr. Weasley, she had intended him to die in book 5, but thought that harry had lost enough father figures already.
And in a Q&A the other day, she said the two she hadnt planned on killing off were Lupin and Tonks.
I'd need to go search for a link to support this, but I've read interviews with JK regarding the epilogue. Apparently, that was written nearly 15 years ago, one of the first things she ever wrote in the entire series. Rumor has it that the publisher requested that she change it, also feeling it wasn't a good fit, but she refused, so it was left as is.
That is indeed true, as far as I know.
alca1992
08-16-2007, 03:58 PM
bump.
im reading the book and i didnt want this to dissapear sorry guys
Philliez01
08-16-2007, 04:18 PM
NP, alca.
I thought wouldn't the guy who played Daphne's brother Simon on Frasier be the perfect Mundungus? I know he isn't really British; but that would be a pretty good match I think.
terribletowel39
08-16-2007, 06:40 PM
i loved the entire bookall the way up until the end. and not just the epilogue. the potter, dark lord fight was stupid. harry should have died if she was going to end the series. he isn't the second coming of christ. he should have been dead 17 years ago and somehow lived through like 4-5 of the same expierences. doesn't make any sense. the epilogue also kinda frustrating. you don't skimp on one of the best series i have ever read by jumping 20 years later or whatever it was.
i do agree with yall that the Snape memory was the best.
kalbears13
08-17-2007, 12:12 AM
I think the ending should have been a little longer and included more characters since there are so many characters, other than the 5 or 6 they have in the epilogue, that they get in depth with. I guess there's a good amount of closure but I wish there was more. I wasted probably 100 hours reading this book and I wanted a little more info.
I still completely understand why Harry came back to life.
comahan
08-17-2007, 12:16 AM
Well to be fair, he was never dead.
DChess
08-17-2007, 12:17 AM
me:
DH
POA
OoTP
GoF
HBP
SS
CoS
doingthisinsteadofwork
08-17-2007, 01:36 AM
I think the ending should have been a little longer and included more characters since there are so many characters, other than the 5 or 6 they have in the epilogue, that they get in depth with. I guess there's a good amount of closure but I wish there was more. I wasted probably 100 hours reading this book and I wanted a little more info.
I still completely understand why Harry came back to life.
The Elder Wand cant harm its own master.But one of Voldemorts horcruxes was in Harry so it was able to kill that.
255979119
08-17-2007, 02:27 AM
And the reason the wand backfired(but did not kill Voldy at that moment) was because it knocked Harry out while destroying the horocrux, thus it knocked him out.
thule
08-17-2007, 05:35 AM
JKR came out and said the epilogue was suppose to be like looking out a foggy window. She wanted to give you a little but didn't give you the whole thing. She has planned on doing the what happens later further down the road....I don't understand why people can't just let it be. Hell really she should have never put it in there at all...but then you can only imagine how pissed off people would be not knowing anything.
255979119
08-17-2007, 10:11 AM
JKR came out and said the epilogue was suppose to be like looking out a foggy window. She wanted to give you a little but didn't give you the whole thing. She has planned on doing the what happens later further down the road....I don't understand why people can't just let it be. Hell really she should have never put it in there at all...but then you can only imagine how pissed off people would be not knowing anything.
I didn't care about the epilouge sucking as much as the ending of the book. "I wonder if Kreacher will make me a sandwich" is not the ending I wanted to read for the ending novel in the greatest book series of all time.
Beans
08-17-2007, 11:53 AM
I didn't care about the epilouge sucking as much as the ending of the book. "I wonder if Kreacher will make me a sandwich" is not the ending I wanted to read for the ending novel in the greatest book series of all time.
Actually that would have been the best ending ever.
255979119
08-17-2007, 02:58 PM
Actually that would have been the best ending ever.
That is how she ended it before the epilouge. Pissed me off.
alca1992
09-13-2007, 04:06 PM
sorry guys last time i post i had just started book 5 as of right now im 1/3 through deathly hallows so ill be done in a week . maybe
Beans
09-13-2007, 08:26 PM
That is how she ended it before the epilouge. Pissed me off.
Yes... and it would have been great if she just left it at that.
255979119
09-13-2007, 10:25 PM
Yes... and it would have been great if she just left it at that.
I just wanted an ending similar to the last 6 books though. :-S
alca1992
09-19-2007, 03:32 PM
finished read 300 pages yesterday (stayed home i was sick). pretty good book whised the epilouge was better. btw does anyone know alot about teddy lupin. i know he was harry godson so did he live with them and just moved out or what.
comahan
09-19-2007, 03:39 PM
finished read 300 pages yesterday (stayed home i was sick). pretty good book whised the epilouge was better. btw does anyone know alot about teddy lupin. i know he was harry godson so did he live with them and just moved out or what.
Harry said that he was 'just as good as' one of his kids, cause he was always over for dinner, so that pretty much says he didnt live there. I would assume he lived with his grandmother (Tonks' mother), who was really the only person not in that family to die.
Seriously, what the hell, that woman had her husband, daughter, sister, and son in law die in a matter of months. :(
alca1992
09-19-2007, 03:45 PM
Harry said that he was 'just as good as' one of his kids, cause he was always over for dinner, so that pretty much says he didnt live there. I would assume he lived with his grandmother (Tonks' mother), who was really the only person not in that family to die.
Seriously, what the hell, that woman had her husband, daughter, and son in law die in a matter of months. :(
plus she looked like bellatrix miserble woman
comahan
09-19-2007, 03:45 PM
plus she looked like bellatrix miserble woman
Oh right, her sister died too, rofl.
alca1992
09-20-2007, 07:02 AM
Voldemort was teasing Neville and put the sorting hat on him, saying that there will be no more sorting, then Neville pulled it out of the hat like Harry in Book 2.
The sword appears in the hat when a true gryffindor needs it. The sword doesnt just stay in the hat or anything, it appears there. It wasnt with Neville when he pulled it out, but it wasnt with Harry in the Chamber of Secrets either. I suppose its just enchanted to go from one place to the hat in a time of need.
wow i missed that also.
RoyHall#1
09-20-2007, 09:04 AM
Damn, the books are over.
Philliez01
09-20-2007, 05:06 PM
Yeah, like I said earlier; it's such a final ending. I re-read the 1-4 but it lost some of the zip as the previous times I would re-read.
alca1992
09-20-2007, 05:17 PM
ill probaly reread all the books next april (so i can finish before i start school) i would love to see how manyclues there were in the beginning books that we never noticed
Damix
09-20-2007, 05:21 PM
Yeah, like I said earlier; it's such a final ending. I re-read the 1-4 but it lost some of the zip as the previous times I would re-read.
Very true, I used to get the urge to reread every book that was currently out every year, I dunno if I have that anymore
Scotty D
09-20-2007, 05:30 PM
We may not be in Professor Flitwick's class, but you still are charming.
I don't have an invisibility cloak but do you think tonight I can visit your restricted section?
I want to get my basilisk into your chamber of secrets.
You know, Hagrid's not the only giant on campus.
Do you think you could take on a mountain troll in the bathroom like Hermione did? Would you be ready in five minutes?
If you were a quaffle and I was a chaser during a quidditch match, I'd score with you.
You know, the Sorting Hat placed me in Gryffindor. I think it's because like Godric Gryffindor himself, I too have an impressive sword.
Want to go to the Hog's Head, if you know what I mean?
Being without you is like being under the Cruciatus Curse.
Want to have a Tri-Wizards Tournament? Well not really "Tri-Wizard," I was thinking more one wizard and two witches.
I've been whomping my willow thinking about you.
You know Platform 9 and 3/4? Well I know something else with the same exact measurements.
A couple nights with me and Moaning Myrtle will have to get a new nickname.
- I know my name's not Luna, but I sure know how to Lovegood if you know what I mean.
alca1992
09-20-2007, 05:34 PM
We may not be in Professor Flitwick's class, but you still are charming.
I don't have an invisibility cloak but do you think tonight I can visit your restricted section?
I want to get my basilisk into your chamber of secrets.
You know, Hagrid's not the only giant on campus.
Do you think you could take on a mountain troll in the bathroom like Hermione did? Would you be ready in five minutes?
If you were a quaffle and I was a chaser during a quidditch match, I'd score with you.
You know, the Sorting Hat placed me in Gryffindor. I think it's because like Godric Gryffindor himself, I too have an impressive sword.
Want to go to the Hog's Head, if you know what I mean?
Being without you is like being under the Cruciatus Curse.
Want to have a Tri-Wizards Tournament? Well not really "Tri-Wizard," I was thinking more one wizard and two witches.
I've been whomping my willow thinking about you.
You know Platform 9 and 3/4? Well I know something else with the same exact measurements.
A couple nights with me and Moaning Myrtle will have to get a new nickname.
- I know my name's not Luna, but I sure know how to Lovegood if you know what I mean.
a harry potter geek pickup lines lol hilarious
jballa838
11-27-2007, 09:08 PM
ok i have to do a book report on a Harry Potter book so i need to have this one question answered:
5. Relate the plot of the novel. Explain how the story began and what was the conflict. What happened to cause the conflict and how was it resolved? Give details to show your comprehension and appreciation of the author's craft.
would someone like to help me answer this?
adschofield
11-27-2007, 09:12 PM
ok i have to do a book report on a Harry Potter book so i need to have this one question answered:
5. Relate the plot of the novel. Explain how the story began and what was the conflict. What happened to cause the conflict and how was it resolved? Give details to show your comprehension and appreciation of the author's craft.
would someone like to help me answer this?
That could take hours...lol
wiscbadgerfootball
11-27-2007, 09:12 PM
haha those are great pickup lines
jballa838
11-27-2007, 09:14 PM
That could take hours...lol
i'm in 11th grade and i slack a lot. i'm pretty sure it'd slide if it wasnt a huge essay like you'd think
just like 2 or 3 paragraphs.
adschofield
11-27-2007, 09:23 PM
i'm in 11th grade and i slack a lot. i'm pretty sure it'd slide if it wasnt a huge essay like you'd think
just like 2 or 3 paragraphs.
are you talking about the entire series or just the last book?
jballa838
11-27-2007, 09:25 PM
are you talking about the entire series or just the last book?
actually any book really.
prefereble 5 or 7 because i lost 6 and cant find the book as proof, but 1 works too.
just one book
adschofield
11-27-2007, 09:45 PM
Plot: Lord Voldemort and his crew attempt to ambush Harry Potter as he attempts to leave the Dursleys' house after Harry's protective charm wears off because he is turning 18. Afterwards, he goes to the Weasley's house, and later that summer during a wedding at the Weasley's, Harry and Co. find out that the Ministry of Magic has fallen under the control of Voldemort. Harry and the crew leave to go to Harry's late uncle's, Sirius Black, house. It is revealed that Dolores Umbridge (former headmaster of Hogwarts) has one of Voldemort's horocruxes. Harry and Co. get the horocrux, but are forced to flee to the countryside. Harry and Ron then find the Gryffinador sword, which can destroy horocruxes, at the bottom of the pond. The trio then find out about the Deathly Hallows (The wand, resurrection stone, and invisibilty cloak) from Luna Lovegood's father. Later, Harry accidently says Voldemort's name, and is captured and taken to the Malfoy Manor. However, Doby apparates into the manor, and saves the trio as well as Luna, and others. Meanwhile, Voldemort steals Dumbeldore's Elder wand (a Deathly hallow) believing it is the only wand that can kill Harry. Later, Harry sneaks into hogwarts in search of more horocruxes. An all out war begins as Voldemort attempts to capture Harry, but Harry gains the support of all of Hogwarts. Voldemort kills Snape. It is revealed that Snape has been helping Harry all along, and that he is the one who gave Harry the Gffryindor Sword. Harry goes to Voldemort's camp in an attempt to stop the bloodshed. Voldemort kills Harry, but.....Harry awakens in an eternal place where Dumbledore explains to him that there were Voldemort soul fragments in his soul, and that he had to die first. Neville Longbottom kills Voldemort's snake, his last horocrux, and Harry then awakens and kill Voldemort
DChess
11-27-2007, 09:48 PM
alright harry potter gets the clap via hermoine. thats actually abt it, some spells, a couple potions and you got the 7th book
adschofield
11-27-2007, 09:48 PM
Conflict: Voldemort is on a mission to kill the only person standing in his way of complete rule, Harry Potter. Harry Potter wants revenge on his parents' deaths, and wants to live a normal life by killing Voldemort. Other conflicts are the conflicts between Harry, Ron, and Hermoine as tensions flare when they don't have immediate success. It is resolved by the death of Voldemort and the reunion of Harry, Ron, and Hermoine.
jballa838
11-27-2007, 10:15 PM
wow thanks adschofield
thats great.
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