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tEk
07-10-2007, 07:21 PM
As the title says let's try to compile a list of bands here(feel free to add rap groups, although personally i don't listen too often)

the offspring. after ixnay on the hombre they sucked with some minor goodness on americana)
metallica (as soon as the black album came out,|rise of grunge| they sold out)
eminem(after his first 3 albums he was to rich and removed from bad times that he had no material left)

HoopsDemon12
07-10-2007, 07:26 PM
Everyone of those bands you named have always sucked.

eminem and matillca kicked ass in their prime

tEk
07-10-2007, 07:27 PM
Everyone of those bands you named have always sucked.i beg to differ. anyways, did you have any bands that came to mind that are now terrible.

Boston
07-10-2007, 07:28 PM
Aerosmith...

dabears10
07-10-2007, 07:28 PM
O.A.R.
totally awful when they tried to be pop.

alexschnarr
07-10-2007, 07:28 PM
Green Day, man was dookie awesome, now i can't stand them!

tEk
07-10-2007, 07:29 PM
Green Day, man was dookie awesome, now i can't stand them!holy **** how did i miss them.... used to be the ish. Steven King had "american idiot" rated in the top 3 albums of all time (he works for rolling stone sometimes IIRC)

alexschnarr
07-10-2007, 07:30 PM
yup they are pretty brutal now

TitleTown088
07-10-2007, 07:32 PM
i beg to differ. anyways, did you have any bands that came to mind that are now terrible.

Sure, how bout Van Hagar.

TitleTown088
07-10-2007, 07:34 PM
eminem and matillca kicked ass in their prime

I can't stand Matllica. I know I'm probably alone on that one, but I have always hated them.

tEk
07-10-2007, 07:35 PM
Sure, how bout Van Hagar.good one. *cOOkie*

Cashmoney
07-10-2007, 07:43 PM
blink-182
the killers
korn
and i dont know that they sold out but puddle of mudds first album was great and everything else after that has been weak.

Ward
07-10-2007, 07:43 PM
I'll get flamed for this one, but Smashmouth. I recommend listening to their first album (Fush Yu Mang) and then comparing it to "Hey Now, You're an All-Star". It will shock and horrify you.

M.O.T.H.
07-10-2007, 07:44 PM
blink-182
the killers
korn

the killers?

what?

Cashmoney
07-10-2007, 07:47 PM
the killers?

what?

dude the killers first album was awesome, then they went all led zeppelin wannabe and sams town crashed and burned.

kalbears13
07-10-2007, 07:49 PM
Jackson Five

M.O.T.H.
07-10-2007, 07:50 PM
First of all they didnt sell out...

They were trying something new/different they still really havent found their sound yet...The 2nd album is heavily influenced by Bruce Springsteen. Sam's town is obviously not in the same category as Hot Fuss but, that was to be expected...it's not all that bad actually...but, judging on the fans reactions I'm sure they wont be settling on the current sound of that album...they're still growing.

TitleTown088
07-10-2007, 07:52 PM
Wait wait, I got a big one..... How about the entire country music genre? None if it is country music anymore, it's practically pop music now.

Cashmoney
07-10-2007, 08:04 PM
First of all they didnt sell out...

They were trying something new/different they still really havent found their sound yet...The 2nd album is heavily influenced by Bruce Springsteen. Sam's town is obviously not in the same category as Hot Fuss but, that was to be expected...it's not all that bad actually...but, judging on the fans reactions I'm sure they wont be settling on the current sound of that album...they're still growing.

on the first cd i could listen to every song, the second one maybe 4.

M.O.T.H.
07-10-2007, 08:06 PM
on the first cd i could listen to every song, the second one maybe 4.

Hot Fuss was too hard of an album to follow up...they could have done better on Sam's Town, imo but, they wouldnt have been able to top it.

etk
07-10-2007, 08:29 PM
I'm gonna have to agree with the Killers selling out and burning out. Sam's Town was a major disappointment, not one good song on there. I liked pretty much every song on Hot Fuss, and I'm not usually a big rock guy.

art vandelay
07-10-2007, 08:31 PM
O.A.R.
totally awful when they tried to be pop.

Definitely agree with this.

M.O.T.H.
07-10-2007, 08:32 PM
How did they sell out? explain.

Paul
07-10-2007, 09:13 PM
If The Killers are sellouts because they made one bad album, then 99.9% of the music industry are sellouts also.

fenikz
07-10-2007, 09:13 PM
AFI biggest sellouts of all time

rainbeaukid2
07-10-2007, 09:15 PM
i will probably get flamed for this because of the multitude of U2 haters on here, but a lot of U2's old songs were really good, their new album though basically sucked. i went and saw them in concert though and it was still a good concert

Cashmoney
07-10-2007, 09:19 PM
AFI biggest sellouts of all time

maybe, but i actually like their new stuff. the only "old" song of theirs i liked was days of the phoenix.

dabears10
07-10-2007, 09:22 PM
People are getting confused with being bad, and selling out.
The Killers had not sold out, in fact if they had it would of just sounded like hot fuss just with different words, ala Nickelback.

But anyways, does anyone else think that these days we will not see the Bob Dylan's, Led Zeppelins, or Beatles because the industry is so predicated on making the most money on an album rather than their career.

fenikz
07-10-2007, 09:23 PM
maybe, but i actually like their new stuff. the only "old" song of theirs i liked was days of the phoenix.

obviously not a punk fan then

BuckNaked
07-10-2007, 09:24 PM
i will probably get flamed for this because of the multitude of U2 haters on here, but a lot of U2's old songs were really good, their new album though basically sucked. i went and saw them in concert though and it was still a good concert

So did I. Where did you see them?

elway777
07-10-2007, 09:34 PM
Snoop Dogg

cardsalltheway
07-10-2007, 09:37 PM
3 6 Mafia

And I agree on Snoop

Paul
07-10-2007, 09:38 PM
Snoop Dogg

Yes, once you do a song with the Pussycat Dolls, there no coming back.

BuckNaked
07-10-2007, 09:41 PM
Yes, once you do a song with the Pussycat Dolls, there no coming back.

Imagine the possible benefits of doing a song with the Pussycat Dolls however.

etk
07-10-2007, 09:41 PM
C'mon, let's not get hip-hop involved in this. Almost every hip-hop band or artist has sold out. It's a fact of life...

TitleTown088
07-10-2007, 09:42 PM
i will probably get flamed for this because of the multitude of U2 haters on here, but a lot of U2's old songs were really good, their new album though basically sucked. i went and saw them in concert though and it was still a good concert

I think the reason for the u2 hate is probably because most of the people on this forum are straight nonmetrosexual men who like football and not designer sun glasses.

rainbeaukid2
07-10-2007, 09:43 PM
I think the reason for the u2 hate is probably because most of the people on this forum are straight nonmetrosexual men who like football and not designer sun glasses.

so, in that are you implying anything about me?

rainbeaukid2
07-10-2007, 09:44 PM
So did I. Where did you see them?

i saw them at the staples center in LA

TitleTown088
07-10-2007, 09:44 PM
so, in that are you implying anything about me?

You tell me Bruce.

BuckNaked
07-10-2007, 09:45 PM
i saw them at the staples center in LA

I saw them at Madison Square Garden. They were great, it just annoyed me when they played "Vertigo" twice.

elway777
07-10-2007, 09:46 PM
TitleTown you are a very ignorant person.

TitleTown088
07-10-2007, 09:48 PM
TitleTown you are a very ignorant person.


Because I hate U2 and their metrosexual fans?

elway777
07-10-2007, 09:51 PM
Because I hate U2 and their metrosexual fans?

Im not a U2 fan first off. You seem to be put stereotypes around everything your indifferent about and unsure of. U2,Southern California etc...

Philliez01
07-10-2007, 09:53 PM
Green Day is the top. Insomniac, Dookie, Nimrod and well I wasn't a huge fan of Warning; but it wasn't dreadful. American Idiot / Bullet in a Bible is just disgraceful; though I didn't mind the song Holiday that much.

The Killers haven't sold out. Like MOTH said they were trying to make a Springsteen album and I think it's a good album. I like For Reasons Unknown, Read My Mind and Sam's Town. Hot Fuss was an amazing album though and I still think they should've released On Top or Jenny Was A Friend Of Mine instead of Smile Like You Mean It; but oh well.

Less Than Jake hasn't exactly sold out but eh, they aren't ska anymore. Pezcore, Borders & Boundaries were good albums but not a fan of the latest.

Zebrahead's new singer pisses me off.

TitleTown088
07-10-2007, 09:53 PM
Im not a U2 fan first off. You seem to be put stereotypes around everything your indifferent about and unsure of. U2,Southern California etc...

U2 and southern California.... hmmmmmmmmmm... what do they have in common?

TitleTown088
07-10-2007, 09:54 PM
Ice Cube... From NWA to " are we there yet". ha.

rainbeaukid2
07-10-2007, 09:59 PM
U2 and southern California.... hmmmmmmmmmm... what do they have in common?

they are both the leading donators to fight aids in africa in their given groups:U2=bands, SoCal=location

TitleTown088
07-10-2007, 10:05 PM
.............................

Vikes99ej
07-10-2007, 10:09 PM
AFI biggest sellouts of all time

If you were in love with that garage-band crap, then sure. There are several tracks I listen to on Decemberunderground.

About the Killers: I thought Sam's Town was several times' better than Hot Fuss. It is a very solid rock CD.

Cashmoney
07-10-2007, 10:11 PM
If you were in love with that garage-band crap, then sure. There are several tracks I listen to on Decemberunderground.

About the Killers: I thought Sam's Town was several times' better than Hot Fuss. It is a very solid rock CD.

sing the sorrow is one of the best albums imo. i like every song on that cd. decemberunderground has a lot of good songs too.

elway777
07-10-2007, 10:16 PM
No i was going more along the lines that they are both leading producers of fruits.


Your homophobic nature makes me wonder...

TitleTown088
07-10-2007, 10:17 PM
Your homophobic nature makes me wonder...

I don't put out for dudes. There, now you can stop wondering and getting hopeful.

tEk
07-10-2007, 10:34 PM
Here's another little conundrum. Have you ever put on an old album and not been able to listen to it because of what they have done to their image and music?

rainbeaukid2
07-10-2007, 10:44 PM
Here's another little conundrum. Have you ever put on an old album and not been able to listen to it because of what they have done to their image and music?

that happened to me with Tears for Fears, their newest album is softer and easier listening and then i went to listen to their old albums expecting the same thing and i was disappointed, don't get me wrong though, they still have some good old hits

VY10
07-10-2007, 10:47 PM
Nickleback...but wait they were never good. They were just a ****** band that sold out and got worse.

fischbowl
07-10-2007, 11:17 PM
Nickleback...but wait they were never good. They were just a ****** band that sold out and got worse.


Id like to say the same thing for Good Charlotte. Everyone my age (except for me of course cause i am country fan) liked them back in like 7th grade. Then they sold out to MTV or some **** and vamouse, there gone quicker than Danny Ocean in a casino.

kalbears13
07-10-2007, 11:26 PM
Here's another little conundrum. Have you ever put on an old album and not been able to listen to it because of what they have done to their image and music?

Yeah...Michael Jackson

7-11
07-10-2007, 11:57 PM
i personally think the most concerning aspect of this problem is that bands no longer make 'albums' instead they try to maximise profits by bringing out a cd stacked with single type songs. alot of classic stuff was brilliant because you could listen to it from start to end with that definate flow, that juts isnt around anymore in the day of ipod and individual singles

SuperKevin
07-11-2007, 12:58 AM
This thread is dedicated to Green Day

tEk
07-11-2007, 02:34 AM
i personally think the most concerning aspect of this problem is that bands no longer make 'albums' instead they try to maximise profits by bringing out a cd stacked with single type songs. alot of classic stuff was brilliant because you could listen to it from start to end with that definate flow, that juts isnt around anymore in the day of ipod and individual singleskinda sad when you think about it. never hear another dark side of the moon.

Green Bay Scat
07-11-2007, 03:23 AM
50 Cent aka Curtis Jackson. The Definition of a sell out, From in The Club, to who the **** cares? plus he made a movie that made him look like a pimp.... and whoever cant kill someone with 9 gun shots is an idiot

EdReedUnstoppable
07-11-2007, 07:27 AM
I used to call bands sellouts and all that, but now I realize they didn't sellout they just grew, changed, evolved, if you can't change your style then your doomed to become boring.

drowe
07-11-2007, 07:48 AM
regarding Green Day, i have a hard time calling them sellouts. i think they've just matured. the general sound of the band has stayed the same from Dookie (and yeah, i know there was stuff before Dookie, but Dookie is what would cause 'em to sell out) to American Idiot. the content has matured. not as many songs about masturbation on AI. but, other than that god awful 'Good Riddance' song, i'd have a hard time calling 'em sellouts.

my picks

Staind-i loved this band when dysfunction came out...but, then outside and it's been a while came out and i knew the band would go the soft route. it's a shame...dysfunction rocked.

Creed-yeah, i know i might get flamed here, but My Own Prison had some substance to it. once Higher came out, the wheels fell off the wagon. also, 'With Arms Wide Open' would get my vote for one of the worst songs ever made.

and of course, U2 and Aerosmith wrote the book on selling out.

SuperKevin
07-11-2007, 07:53 AM
regarding Green Day, i have a hard time calling them sellouts. i think they've just matured. the general sound of the band has stayed the same from Dookie (and yeah, i know there was stuff before Dookie, but Dookie is what would cause 'em to sell out) to American Idiot. the content has matured. not as many songs about masturbation on AI. but, other than that god awful 'Good Riddance' song, i'd have a hard time calling 'em sellouts.


I don't consider Green Day to be "sellouts" but I have to say I am less impressed by their new stuff

umphrey
07-11-2007, 08:27 AM
Daughtry, although I've never listened to any of their music I heard they were headlining at summerfest so I looked them up. They are a band based around 1 guy that seems pretty talented but I also found out that he didn't even pick his band members, his record company just told the lead guy who was going to be in his band and he didn't get any say in it. That's pretty bad imo...

cardsalltheway
07-11-2007, 08:41 AM
50 Cent aka Curtis Jackson. The Definition of a sell out, From in The Club, to who the **** cares? plus he made a movie that made him look like a pimp.... and whoever cant kill someone with 9 gun shots is an idiot

When was 50 Cent good?

drowe
07-11-2007, 08:42 AM
Daughtry, although I've never listened to any of their music I heard they were headlining at summerfest so I looked them up. They are a band based around 1 guy that seems pretty talented but I also found out that he didn't even pick his band members, his record company just told the lead guy who was going to be in his band and he didn't get any say in it. That's pretty bad imo...


yeah, chris daughtry has made several comments about how he wants to get rich and all the money he's made. i don't think i'll ever be able to take anybody associated with American Idol seriously.

drowe
07-11-2007, 08:44 AM
I don't consider Green Day to be "sellouts" but I have to say I am less impressed by their new stuff

yeah, Dookie came out when i was a freshman in high school and EVERYBODY had it. i was no exception and i loved it. and i've been a fan of the band ever since. i wasn't crazy about nimrod...warning was ok. but, I really like American Idiot. in my opinion, the best since Dookie. one of few CDs i can listen to start to finish.

ncst8fan83
07-11-2007, 09:08 AM
Some have already been stated but...

311
Green Day
Unwritten Law
P.O.D.
John Mayer
Silverchair

Just to name a few off the top of my head. It seems the Rock genre has more sellouts than other genres.

ripdw27
07-11-2007, 10:02 AM
usher big time.. jsut a few years ago when he had yeah out n all those other songs he was the bomb... cant think of any newer songs

joe budden - ok he was never really that good but i liked pump it up n never heard from him after that

i wouldnt say 50 cent with the new album out CURTIS

alexschnarr
07-11-2007, 10:15 AM
Some have already been stated but...

311
Green Day
Unwritten Law
P.O.D.
John Mayer
Silverchair

Just to name a few off the top of my head. It seems the Rock genre has more sellouts than other genres.

John Mayer, maybe a sell out when it comes to his albums, but in concert he is the same old John Mayer, and all his little teenie bopper fans hate it, because he just rips on his guitar.

The Great Jonathan Vilma
07-11-2007, 10:18 AM
The Ataris
Good Charlotte

cardsalltheway
07-11-2007, 10:19 AM
usher big time.. jsut a few years ago when he had yeah out n all those other songs he was the bomb... cant think of any newer songs

joe budden - ok he was never really that good but i liked pump it up n never heard from him after that

i wouldnt say 50 cent with the new album out CURTIS

Do you even know what selling out means?

Mr. Stiller
07-11-2007, 10:23 AM
If you were in love with that garage-band crap, then sure. There are several tracks I listen to on Decemberunderground.

About the Killers: I thought Sam's Town was several times' better than Hot Fuss. It is a very solid rock CD.

AFI Never sold out, they just got more versatile.

It's not their fault that they're music is catchy, even more adverse and now is catching on like wildfire.



I do find it funny that every kid dreams of being a big rock star, then watches other bands that live his dream and call them sell-outs.

AFI's music has changed. But Jade is still amazing on guitar.. and Hunter is probably one of the most underrated Bass players in music. Davey has one of the widest vocal ranges in music and Adam(?) is a solid drummer who gets the sound out he wants by using not only regular drum sets but electronic sets.

-black
07-11-2007, 10:26 AM
Nas
Jay Z
Talib Kweli (sorta)
8ball & MJG

wiscbadgerfootball
07-11-2007, 10:28 AM
Talib Kweli (sorta)


no way in my opinion

-black
07-11-2007, 10:30 AM
no way in my opinion

its been 7 years since he dropped a Classic......had all that potential, but has been medicore since....i've just been really dissapointed in his inconsistency. Still better then ALOT of rappers out right now, but he had potential to be a legend...he's settling for "pretty good"

wiscbadgerfootball
07-11-2007, 10:31 AM
its been 7 years since he dropped a Classic......had all that potential, but has been medicore since....i've just been really dissapointed in his inconsistency. Still better then ALOT of rappers out right now, but he had potential to be a legend...he's settling for "pretty good"

it's been 5 years since quality came out and I would call 'Get By' a classic IMO

-black
07-11-2007, 10:34 AM
it's been 5 years since quality came out and I would call 'Get By' a classic IMO

Quality was a pretty mediocore album...the first like 5 tracks were good...but after that? zero replay value

im talking about album wise, not song wise....Train of Thought is Kweli's ONLY album even close to being a Classic release (nearly flawless)

wiscbadgerfootball
07-11-2007, 10:41 AM
Quality was a pretty mediocore album...the first like 5 tracks were good...but after that? zero replay value

im talking about album wise, not song wise....Train of Thought is Kweli's ONLY album even close to being a Classic release (nearly flawless)

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree

Cashmoney
07-11-2007, 10:52 AM
rock & roll people.

drowe
07-11-2007, 10:53 AM
what's all this rap stuff doing here?

i thought we were talking about MUSIC.

yourfavestoner
07-11-2007, 10:53 AM
No i was going more along the lines that they are both leading producers of fruits.

I guess the question that begs to be asked is: why even bother saying something so ignorant? Why would you even care enough to make a statement like that?

wiscbadgerfootball
07-11-2007, 10:55 AM
As the title says let's try to compile a list of bands here(feel free to add rap groups, although personally i don't listen too often)


quit being such ignorant close minded music fans

ncst8fan83
07-11-2007, 10:56 AM
John Mayer, maybe a sell out when it comes to his albums, but in concert he is the same old John Mayer, and all his little teenie bopper fans hate it, because he just rips on his guitar.

that's why i think he's sold out. he does those STUPID songs like your body is a wonderland while covered in rain doesn't even get mentioned. that is the sickest guitar solo of the past 20 years. if you haven't heard that song, go search for it on youtube. it's on his any given thursday album and is absolutely AWESOME to see live.

BuckNaked
07-11-2007, 11:16 AM
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree

I can't wait for eardrum to come out.

wiscbadgerfootball
07-11-2007, 11:17 AM
I can't wait for eardrum to come out.

July 24th I believe

SubNoize
07-11-2007, 12:29 PM
Incubus!!!! Their new stuff is soo soft, all because drive was popular, it's been down hill ever since. If you popped in S.C.I.E.N.C.E and then anything after Make Yourself, you will be truly disappointed.

311, grass roots, music, 311 all amazing albums and then "amber" and the remake of the robert smith song cant remember the namemade them super trendy, and then they come out with "first straw", wow what the hell happend?

AFI sold out in a huge way, they went from hardcore to damn near pop-punk, although i can stand their new albums, but i still miss davey just letting it all out and just screaming like crazy...

Titans10
07-11-2007, 12:52 PM
Incubus!!!! Their new stuff is soo soft, all because drive was popular, it's been down hill ever since. If you popped in S.C.I.E.N.C.E and then anything after Make Yourself, you will be truly disappointed.

Not true about Incubus, their new music is still good, but there is no way you can follow up cd's like S.C.I.E.N.C.E., and Make Yourself...have you actually listened to their new CD Light Grenades? Anna Molly, A kiss to send us off, Rogues and Pendulous Threads all rock, not to mention all the other songs are very good, plus a crow left of the murder is a very good CD too

OAR and three 6 mafia get my vote

Ewing
07-11-2007, 12:55 PM
Any band/singer that has ever been in a commercial. If you do a commercial, you're off the artistic role call. Every word you say is suspect and is like a turd falling out of your mouth and into my drink.

Acreboy
07-11-2007, 01:00 PM
Green Day, man was dookie awesome, now i can't stand them!A lot of people say that Green Day was better when Billie Joe was fat and depressed instead of skinny and political.

I vote for Linkin Park, although Minutes to Midnight was way better than I thought.

SubNoize
07-11-2007, 01:09 PM
Not true about Incubus, their new music is still good, but there is no way you can follow up cd's like S.C.I.E.N.C.E., and Make Yourself...have you actually listened to their new CD Light Grenades? Anna Molly, A kiss to send us off, Rogues and Pendulous Threads all rock, not to mention all the other songs are very good, plus a crow left of the murder is a very good CD too

OAR and three 6 mafia get my vote

Light Grenades is awful, A Crow Left of the Murder also is just plain boring, there is no excitement in the music anymore, it's all just plain slow music with no change up, they don't really do much sampling anymore, Kilmore does nothing now. the line up change has killed the band in my opinion. Morning View was their last "good" cd but even that was a litle watered down from the true funk and mixing elements of incubus.

tEk
07-11-2007, 02:22 PM
quit being such ignorant close minded music fanswhoa man. im not being ignorant. i just choose not to listen to rap anymore. i used to, but it has gotten progressively worse. i mean songs about peanut butter, and a bunch of YEAH's!!!!!!! doesn't make good music.

Green Bay Scat
07-11-2007, 02:29 PM
whoa man. im not being ignorant. i just choose not to listen to rap anymore. i used to, but it has gotten progressively worse. i mean songs about peanut butter, and a bunch of YEAH's!!!!!!! doesn't make good music.

inside peanut butter out side jelly. its a classic saying. YEAH is a classic ATL sayin by Lil John, kinda like how a lot of Rockers scream, cept its only by lil john. Most people who dont like rap, dont like what they rap about. Get an Instramental mixtape, and just listen to the beats, thats what gets you

drowe
07-11-2007, 02:34 PM
here is why i don't like rap:

1-i like music. i need the guitar in there. not just machine generated noise.
2-i can't relate to the lyrics.
3-not much substance to it.

djp
07-11-2007, 02:42 PM
Light Grenades is awful, A Crow Left of the Murder also is just plain boring, there is no excitement in the music anymore, it's all just plain slow music with no change up, they don't really do much sampling anymore, Kilmore does nothing now. the line up change has killed the band in my opinion. Morning View was their last "good" cd but even that was a litle watered down from the true funk and mixing elements of incubus.

That's called maturation, not selling out. Light Grenades wasn't as good as ACLATM or Morning View, but it was still decent. Just because they don't go for the hard, hard rock on every song (I would get SO bored of Incubus if every song was like "A Certain Shade of Green"). Brandon has such a beautiful voice, but it is also versatile. Light Grenades and Rogues are two songs that DO rock out the entire time, and while they are fun to listen to, don't make you think at all, which Incubus has stated they have been trying to do more and more of.

Scar
07-11-2007, 02:45 PM
"Selling out" has got to be one of the most asinine and overapplied concepts in popular culture. Nobody plays for free.

SubNoize
07-11-2007, 02:52 PM
That's called maturation, not selling out. Light Grenades wasn't as good as ACLATM or Morning View, but it was still decent. Just because they don't go for the hard, hard rock on every song (I would get SO bored of Incubus if every song was like "A Certain Shade of Green"). Brandon has such a beautiful voice, but it is also versatile. Light Grenades and Rogues are two songs that DO rock out the entire time, and while they are fun to listen to, don't make you think at all, which Incubus has stated they have been trying to do more and more of.

maturation my ass, they've gone backwards. They've went from extremely clean well rounded music with great lyrics and a lot of things going on at once coming together perfectly, to dumb rock with simple lyrics and plain riffs. They don't mix anymore, they've lost their funk edge and just overall are a different band, they're closer to dave matthews than the incubus of old. Brandon has a great voice, but i don't want to hear 12 tracks like drive and 2 tracks like pardon me, it needs more mix and progression. dig was ok, but pretty boring, same with anna molly. maturation is a nice way of saying were changing to soft rock.

Titans10
07-11-2007, 02:54 PM
That's called maturation, not selling out. Light Grenades wasn't as good as ACLATM or Morning View, but it was still decent. Just because they don't go for the hard, hard rock on every song (I would get SO bored of Incubus if every song was like "A Certain Shade of Green"). Brandon has such a beautiful voice, but it is also versatile. Light Grenades and Rogues are two songs that DO rock out the entire time, and while they are fun to listen to, don't make you think at all, which Incubus has stated they have been trying to do more and more of.

couldnt agree more with what you said

they have grown a bunch as people and artists since they were in their late teens and early twenties to now going into their early thirties

UKfan
07-11-2007, 03:05 PM
White Stripes...

ncst8fan83
07-11-2007, 03:14 PM
White Stripes...

no no no, we're talking about bands that were GOOD than THEN started to suck. Not sucked and continued to suck.:)

Mr. Stiller
07-11-2007, 03:21 PM
Incubus!!!! Their new stuff is soo soft, all because drive was popular, it's been down hill ever since. If you popped in S.C.I.E.N.C.E and then anything after Make Yourself, you will be truly disappointed.

311, grass roots, music, 311 all amazing albums and then "amber" and the remake of the robert smith song cant remember the namemade them super trendy, and then they come out with "first straw", wow what the hell happend?

AFI sold out in a huge way, they went from hardcore to damn near pop-punk, although i can stand their new albums, but i still miss davey just letting it all out and just screaming like crazy...

Again, it's not pop-punk.. More like a fuse of Techno, punk, and rock. Davey still rips, and The guitar parts aren't that much different from earlier albums.

Black sails in the sunset was probably their best album.. But Sing the Sorrow and DecemberUnderground were still pretty righteous. They're exploring some uncharted waters here with the way they're developing music.


Miss Murder is their newest single and still sounds like one of their classic davey havok vocals and Jade Puget guitar lines.

Scar
07-11-2007, 03:28 PM
I saw AFI live back in the spring of '97 and thought they were one of the worst bands I'd ever heard. Then they changed their sound...and still are one of the worst bands I've ever heard.
Anyway though, let there be no confusion, that's one band that absolutely made a huge change in direction. Their old stuff and what they're doing now is worlds apart...other than it all sucking anyway. :)

Nitschke-Hawk
07-11-2007, 03:31 PM
Somebody said Three 6 Mafia. I disagree, they've become a lot more mainstream but people should realize they've been putting out cd's for like 15 years now, it's hard for it not to happen. And it has been a combination of them getting noticed more and them making more mainstream stuff for singles. They still do some horrorcore stuff but it's more the baller rap, and they've let Memphis and southern influences into their music more such as Willie Hutch. It's hard to keep making the same type of music they made in the mid 90's when their multi millionaires and have their own TV show. I am a huge fan of them. They still make hardcore club songs and just straight Rated R stuff but they do it in a way that everybody around the world can like/understand it. They used to be really local in their style. I respect them because they've put in so much work over the years and always talked about not getting recognized and people finally caught on.

Titans10
07-11-2007, 03:39 PM
Three 6 mafia= pop rap now

not hardcore gangsta rap like they've been doing since the begining

Im f rom TN and have been listening to three 6 for years and years. I have even seen them live 5 years ago when i was a sophmore in high school and they have definatly sold out...there new stuff is still good but nowhere near as good as it once was

Paul
07-11-2007, 03:40 PM
Three 6 mafia= pop rap now

not hardcore gangsta rap like they've been doing since the begining

Im f rom TN and have been listening to three 6 for years and years. I have even seen them live 5 years ago when i was a sophmore in high school and they have definatly sold out...there new stuff is still good but nowhere near as good as it once was

I remember Slob on my Knob. LOl classic.

Nitschke-Hawk
07-11-2007, 03:46 PM
They're rich as hell now what do you expect. I don't call it selling out, it should be called selling out the stores. Their beats are still hitting hard as ever and "gangsta" for lack of a better word. Yeah their lyrics have changed but so what. It's still more hood and underground than most everything on the radio, in fact I don't really hear them on Chicago stations. They still get played mostly in the south. It's TV where they've advanced.

ncst8fan83
07-11-2007, 04:00 PM
I remember Slob on my Knob. LOl classic.

lmao!!!

slob on my knob, like corn on the cob
check in with me, and do ya job
lay on tha bed, and give me head
don't have to ask, don't have to beg
juicy is my name, sex is my game
let's call the boys, let's run a train
squeeze on my nuts, lick on my butt
the natural curly hair, please don't touch
first find a mate, second find a place
third find a bag, to hide tha ho face
real name rover, i said bend over
started to knock, then came the odor
smelled like mush, shoulda had a woosh
told her to stop, and take a dush
once she did that, i didn't want the cat
so i bounced out, and never came back


lmao!!! that song trips me out. nothing they could ever do would top that song.

UKfan
07-11-2007, 04:03 PM
no no no, we're talking about bands that were GOOD than THEN started to suck. Not sucked and continued to suck.:)

Fell in love with a girl was good, the rest, not so much. But they do a song for a coke commercial, the very definition of selling out!

Acreboy
07-11-2007, 04:12 PM
no no no, we're talking about bands that were GOOD than THEN started to suck. Not sucked and continued to suck.:)White Stripes rock.

McBain
07-11-2007, 04:17 PM
no no no, we're talking about bands that were GOOD than THEN started to suck. Not sucked and continued to suck.:)

whoa... white stripes are RAD. Unique and original.

Jack White wrote the song for the coke commercial. What's so terrible about that?

Oh and John Mayer can shred.

McBain
07-11-2007, 04:24 PM
Fell in love with a girl was good, the rest, not so much. But they do a song for a coke commercial, the very definition of selling out!

Jack White doesn't allow his other songs to be used in commercials so he wrote an original song for coke. Who the hell cares?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWoLu_Hvbbw

that's the ad.

G-Love had a coke ad... is it such a terrible thing?

tEk
07-11-2007, 04:32 PM
Mayer is still one of the best jazz/blues players around... don't care who the hell you ask.

SubNoize
07-11-2007, 04:35 PM
Again, it's not pop-punk.. More like a fuse of Techno, punk, and rock. Davey still rips, and The guitar parts aren't that much different from earlier albums.

Black sails in the sunset was probably their best album.. But Sing the Sorrow and DecemberUnderground were still pretty righteous. They're exploring some uncharted waters here with the way they're developing music.


Miss Murder is their newest single and still sounds like one of their classic davey havok vocals and Jade Puget guitar lines.

i didnt say it was full blown pop punk but it's close, the arrangement is similar but the hooks are written to be a little more catchy, can't really argue otherwise. i still enjoy AFI they've just changed quite a bit, it's not drastically different, and decemberunderground has my favorite AFI song on it...37mm

-black
07-11-2007, 05:03 PM
here is why i don't like rap:

1-i like music. i need the guitar in there. not just machine generated noise.
2-i can't relate to the lyrics.
3-not much substance to it.

here's what I dont like about this post

1-Ignorance
2-Ignorance
3-More Ignorance

1. You Like Music? So your basically saying rap isnt music? Or are you saying you like live instruments? And Machine generated noise? Lol, you must not have ANY idea how difficult it actually is to produce instrumentals...the producers of rap songs DO PLAY INSTRUMENTS (top producers like Just Blaze, Kanye West, ect) actually play drums, keyboard, piano, and other instruments. Its basically impossible to make good beats without knowing how to play instruments. There are millions of people who buy the program "Fruity Loops" to make beats....i'd say 95% of them suck...because its tough and actually takes musical talent to create beats....and lol @ it being noise. Just as you can stereotype, I guess I will call all rock noise too...even tho only CERTAIN bands play guitars as loud as they can and just blast them....thats noise....

2. You mean from radio rap lyrics? Well why dont you look closer. Aritst like Murs, talks about how he is tired of not being able to find the ideal woman....artist like Common talk about what love means to our society. Artist like Immortal Technique talk about the United States in general, and its foreign policy. Aritst like Ras Kass talks about religion, philosophy, politics, and propaganda. And if you like rock, then artist like Atmosphere talk about the same exact topics of a rock song...just in rap form. And you cant relate to any of this? Dont judge an entire genre of music from the radio/BET

3. See Number 2. Rap is one of the few genres that talks about any and EVERYTHING. There are rap songs about the Civil War, Concentration Camps overseas (Jedi Mind Tricks), and some of the most interesting topics and subject matter. There are modern romeo and juliet type stories (You Never Know by Immortal Technique) and songs that are dedicated to the struggle of our ancestors ("For Women" by Talib Kweli....one of the best pieces EVER written)...so please dont tell me about rap lacking substance. Thats categorizing.

Say you just dont like the style of music, thats perfectly fine. I do not like Rock music. But I will never categorize the music itself to justify why I dont like it (or degrade the artist)...

drowe
07-11-2007, 05:32 PM
sweeeeeeeeeeet. i didn't know my taste in music could make me ignorant.

dude, believe me, I TRY to like rap. going to bars/clubs (well, not an issue anymore with a pregnant wife) would be a lot easier if i could tolerate the "music" that was always playing. but, try as i might, i cannot bring myself to enjoy it. i like guitars. i like actual singing. i don't care about beat or rhymes. if that somehow makes me ignorant, then, yay.

dabears10
07-11-2007, 05:38 PM
here's what I dont like about this post

1-Ignorance
2-Ignorance
3-More Ignorance

1. You Like Music? So your basically saying rap isnt music? Or are you saying you like live instruments? And Machine generated noise? Lol, you must not have ANY idea how difficult it actually is to produce instrumentals...the producers of rap songs DO PLAY INSTRUMENTS (top producers like Just Blaze, Kanye West, ect) actually play drums, keyboard, piano, and other instruments. Its basically impossible to make good beats without knowing how to play instruments. There are millions of people who buy the program "Fruity Loops" to make beats....i'd say 95% of them suck...because its tough and actually takes musical talent to create beats....and lol @ it being noise. Just as you can stereotype, I guess I will call all rock noise too...even tho only CERTAIN bands play guitars as loud as they can and just blast them....thats noise....

2. You mean from radio rap lyrics? Well why dont you look closer. Aritst like Murs, talks about how he is tired of not being able to find the ideal woman....artist like Common talk about what love means to our society. Artist like Immortal Technique talk about the United States in general, and its foreign policy. Aritst like Ras Kass talks about religion, philosophy, politics, and propaganda. And if you like rock, then artist like Atmosphere talk about the same exact topics of a rock song...just in rap form. And you cant relate to any of this? Dont judge an entire genre of music from the radio/BET

3. See Number 2. Rap is one of the few genres that talks about any and EVERYTHING. There are rap songs about the Civil War, Concentration Camps overseas (Jedi Mind Tricks), and some of the most interesting topics and subject matter. There are modern romeo and juliet type stories (You Never Know by Immortal Technique) and songs that are dedicated to the struggle of our ancestors ("For Women" by Talib Kweli....one of the best pieces EVER written)...so please dont tell me about rap lacking substance. Thats categorizing.

Say you just dont like the style of music, thats perfectly fine. I do not like Rock music. But I will never categorize the music itself to justify why I dont like it (or degrade the artist)...

I think his experience in rap would only be of the Pop rap variety played in bars and clubs and crappy radio stations. Does it make him ignorant, maybe, more like sheltered in suburbia.

someone447
07-11-2007, 05:44 PM
here's what I dont like about this post

1-Ignorance
2-Ignorance
3-More Ignorance

1. You Like Music? So your basically saying rap isnt music? Or are you saying you like live instruments? And Machine generated noise? Lol, you must not have ANY idea how difficult it actually is to produce instrumentals...the producers of rap songs DO PLAY INSTRUMENTS (top producers like Just Blaze, Kanye West, ect) actually play drums, keyboard, piano, and other instruments. Its basically impossible to make good beats without knowing how to play instruments. There are millions of people who buy the program "Fruity Loops" to make beats....i'd say 95% of them suck...because its tough and actually takes musical talent to create beats....and lol @ it being noise. Just as you can stereotype, I guess I will call all rock noise too...even tho only CERTAIN bands play guitars as loud as they can and just blast them....thats noise....

2. You mean from radio rap lyrics? Well why dont you look closer. Aritst like Murs, talks about how he is tired of not being able to find the ideal woman....artist like Common talk about what love means to our society. Artist like Immortal Technique talk about the United States in general, and its foreign policy. Aritst like Ras Kass talks about religion, philosophy, politics, and propaganda. And if you like rock, then artist like Atmosphere talk about the same exact topics of a rock song...just in rap form. And you cant relate to any of this? Dont judge an entire genre of music from the radio/BET

3. See Number 2. Rap is one of the few genres that talks about any and EVERYTHING. There are rap songs about the Civil War, Concentration Camps overseas (Jedi Mind Tricks), and some of the most interesting topics and subject matter. There are modern romeo and juliet type stories (You Never Know by Immortal Technique) and songs that are dedicated to the struggle of our ancestors ("For Women" by Talib Kweli....one of the best pieces EVER written)...so please dont tell me about rap lacking substance. Thats categorizing.

Say you just dont like the style of music, thats perfectly fine. I do not like Rock music. But I will never categorize the music itself to justify why I dont like it (or degrade the artist)...

I think you are misunderstanding what he means by noise. He means it isn't from someone playing an instrument.

I can't get into rap at all, but saying it doesn't have substance is plain wrong. The **** they play on the radio most definitely doesn't have substance, but rappers are our modern day poets. People will be reading Tupac's lyrics like they read John Donne now.

I don't like rap at all, at least not as a form of music. I see rap as less music, and more poetry. If I am going to listen to music, it is going to have a guitar and/or actual singing.

-black
07-11-2007, 05:45 PM
sweeeeeeeeeeet. i didn't know my taste in music could make me ignorant.

dude, believe me, I TRY to like rap. going to bars/clubs (well, not an issue anymore with a pregnant wife) would be a lot easier if i could tolerate the "music" that was always playing. but, try as i might, i cannot bring myself to enjoy it. i like guitars. i like actual singing. i don't care about beat or rhymes. if that somehow makes me ignorant, then, yay.

did you read anything? I said. I doubt you did by reading this post which does not relate to any of the points I made

tEk
07-11-2007, 05:47 PM
did you read anything? I said. I doubt you did by reading this post which does not relate to any of the points I madewhy do good arguments always turn into one on one hate fests?

-black
07-11-2007, 05:48 PM
I think you are misunderstanding what he means by noise. He means it isn't from someone playing an instrument.

I can't get into rap at all, but saying it doesn't have substance is plain wrong. The **** they play on the radio most definitely doesn't have substance, but rappers are our modern day poets. People will be reading Tupac's lyrics like they read John Donne now.

I don't like rap at all, at least not as a form of music. I see rap as less music, and more poetry. If I am going to listen to music, it is going to have a guitar and/or actual singing.

@ da bolded...thats fine

just putting it out there that music is more than "a guitar" or singing. A piano is just as much music as a guitar. No one is not going to tell me that the drum beat (Africans mastered the art form) is not music....or any less music than the guitar

-black
07-11-2007, 05:49 PM
why do good arguments always turn into one on one hate fests?

they turn that way when something very ignorant is said that categorizes or degrades.....

tEk
07-11-2007, 05:51 PM
@ da bolded...thats fine

just putting it out there that music is more than "a guitar" or singing. A piano is just as much music as a guitar. No one is not going to tell me that the drum beat (Africans mastered the art form) is not music....or any less music than the guitari think drowe is saying bands that use computer based sounds ie: dj mixing, video game sounds, throwing sirens in the middle of songs, and random shouts of yeah and what) deter him from music... no matter if its rap or not...im sure drowe doesn't enjoy linkin park.

tEk
07-11-2007, 05:53 PM
they turn that way when something very ignorant is said that categorizes or degrades.....or its just the internet is very ******** because we as humans get more from ones body language than we do from actual words. and some times one can't explain exactly what one means clearly to another party(miscommunication).

-black
07-11-2007, 05:55 PM
i think drowe is saying bands that use computer based sounds ie: dj mixing, video game sounds, throwing sirens in the middle of songs, and random shouts of yeah and what) deter him from music... no matter if its rap or not...im sure drowe doesn't enjoy linkin park.

ok, then thats fine. I really dont care if someone doesnt like rap. I just hate to hear stereotypes used as reasons why. I give so much love to real producers and dj's, who construct perfect instrumentals

I still think Just Blaze, produced one of the better beats this decade with "Show me what you got"...the lyrics from Jay are ehhh, but the instrumental is beautiful....and is why Just Blaze is an incredible producer and talented musician

http://youtube.com/watch?v=IUmuoa8X6Kk

someone447
07-11-2007, 06:01 PM
@ da bolded...thats fine

just putting it out there that music is more than "a guitar" or singing. A piano is just as much music as a guitar. No one is not going to tell me that the drum beat (Africans mastered the art form) is not music....or any less music than the guitar

I didn't mean just guitar, but rather an instrument that you actually play.

What tEk was saying is exactly what I meant. I don't see computer based sounds as actual music. It just doesn't "feel" right to me. I have never had a rap song that I "felt" like I have with other genres. When I listen to rap it brings out the same emotions that poetry would bring out in me, which are different than what music brings out in me.

I'm not sure how clear that was.

-black
07-11-2007, 06:03 PM
I didn't mean just guitar, but rather an instrument that you actually play.

What tEk was saying is exactly what I meant. I don't see computer based sounds as actual music. It just doesn't "feel" right to me. I have never had a rap song that I "felt" like I have with other genres. When I listen to rap it brings out the same emotions that poetry would bring out in me, which are different than what music brings out in me.

I'm not sure how clear that was.

its cool.

they are actual rap groups who play instruments and dont use "keyboards" (not computers, most producers use keyboards)..

The Roots only use real instruments in their songs

drowe
07-11-2007, 06:05 PM
did you read anything? I said. I doubt you did by reading this post which does not relate to any of the points I made

eh, ya called my post ignorant. i defended myself by saying rap ain't my thing...seems like they're connected.

anyway, if my opinion is THAT important to ya, i guess i'm flattered. :)

reigle9
07-11-2007, 06:08 PM
I have a special place in my heart for "God called in sick today". I guess that would've been around 2000. I was quite surprised to see them on MTV a few years later. You guys that are talking about how bands don't sell out, they just "expand" are full of crap. You choose to be on MTV and market to teenieboppers.

djp
07-11-2007, 06:09 PM
maturation my ass, they've gone backwards. They've went from extremely clean well rounded music with great lyrics and a lot of things going on at once coming together perfectly, to dumb rock with simple lyrics and plain riffs. They don't mix anymore, they've lost their funk edge and just overall are a different band, they're closer to dave matthews than the incubus of old. Brandon has a great voice, but i don't want to hear 12 tracks like drive and 2 tracks like pardon me, it needs more mix and progression. dig was ok, but pretty boring, same with anna molly. maturation is a nice way of saying were changing to soft rock.

What you call selling out, I still call maturation. We could argue all day. I could say the same thing about Tool, since Aenima, they have changed their sound almost completely but no one says they sold out. Why is that?

-black
07-11-2007, 06:09 PM
eh, ya called my post ignorant. i defended myself by saying rap ain't my thing...seems like they're connected.

anyway, if my opinion is THAT important to ya, i guess i'm flattered. :)

If you DID read what I said and this is your conclusion, I feel bad for your reading and comprehension skills

sweeeeeeeeeeet. i didn't know my taste in music could make me ignorant.
.



Say you just dont like the style of music, thats perfectly fine. I do not like Rock music. But I will never categorize the music itself to justify why I dont like it (or degrade the artist)...

are you still not getting what I was responding to?

someone447
07-11-2007, 06:46 PM
its cool.

they are actual rap groups who play instruments and dont use "keyboards" (not computers, most producers use keyboards)..

The Roots only use real instruments in their songs

The keyboard is just a specialized computer.

If they are good on their instruments, I would probably like them. I'll have to check them out when I get my computer back and am able to dl songs again.

-black
07-11-2007, 06:52 PM
The keyboard is just a specialized computer.

If they are good on their instruments, I would probably like them. I'll have to check them out when I get my computer back and am able to dl songs again.

the keyboard is a specialized piano.....

BuckNaked
07-11-2007, 06:55 PM
the keyboard is a specialized piano.....

There are a lot of rock bands that use keyboards.

-black
07-11-2007, 06:58 PM
There are a lot of rock bands that use keyboards.

my point exactly

Travis 24
07-11-2007, 07:26 PM
I'm just glad the Queens of the stone age never sold out, even after 5 albums :D

-black
07-11-2007, 07:54 PM
The keyboard is just a specialized computer.

If they are good on their instruments, I would probably like them. I'll have to check them out when I get my computer back and am able to dl songs again.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BgQdWoIkbCk

http://youtube.com/watch?v=TRtgo7pi-Mk

all done by live instruments. Black Thought is one of the best lyricist ever in Hip Hop.

say you dont like the style, but not because its not ?music"

drowe
07-11-2007, 08:06 PM
If you DID read what I said and this is your conclusion, I feel bad for your reading and comprehension skills





are you still not getting what I was responding to?




yeah, really, i didn't read anything in your post past the part where ya called my post ingnorant. didn't seem worth my time. i still think my response was relevant to the part i read.
:)

-black
07-11-2007, 08:17 PM
yeah, really, i didn't read anything in your post past the part where ya called my post ingnorant. didn't seem worth my time. i still think my response was relevant to the part i read.
:)

no Fantasia

wiscbadgerfootball
07-11-2007, 08:26 PM
I didn't mean just guitar, but rather an instrument that you actually play.

What tEk was saying is exactly what I meant. I don't see computer based sounds as actual music. It just doesn't "feel" right to me. I have never had a rap song that I "felt" like I have with other genres. When I listen to rap it brings out the same emotions that poetry would bring out in me, which are different than what music brings out in me.

I'm not sure how clear that was.

see for me.. the things I feel are the lyrics.. some songs really have meaningful messages but I get what you say. like black said The Roots use instruments and in fact ?uestlove is a very good drummer.

BigDawg819
07-11-2007, 08:26 PM
why do good arguments always turn into one on one hate fests?

Because most, actually all to a certain extent, posters here take criticism of whatever personally and then make it a personal crusade to convince the other person to accept their way of thinking. I know I'm guilty of it from time to time and am big enough to admit it.

ripdw27
07-11-2007, 08:38 PM
Do you even know what selling out means?


not relly i just made up names of people i aint heard in a while

-black
07-11-2007, 08:40 PM
see for me.. the things I feel are the lyrics.. some songs really have meaningful messages but I get what you say. like black said The Roots use instruments and in fact ?uestlove is a very good drummer.


thats def me.......

-black
07-11-2007, 08:41 PM
Because most, actually all to a certain extent, posters here take criticism of whatever personally and then make it a personal crusade to convince the other person to accept their way of thinking. I know I'm guilty of it from time to time and am big enough to admit it.


lol this is true

r u the same poster dat awile back accused me of being a homer because I said i would take Javon Walker and Anquan Boldin over Reggie Wayne and Andre Johnson?

wiscbadgerfootball
07-11-2007, 08:42 PM
other Roots songs

"I Don't Care"
http://youtube.com/watch?v=CDb9sO86b_A

"Guns Are Drawn"
http://youtube.com/watch?v=hP9nrCYoOmY

"Don't Feel Right"
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Uvb_AZ8c6jI

BigDawg819
07-11-2007, 08:43 PM
lol this is true

r u the same poster dat awile back accused me of being a homer because I said i would take Javon Walker and Anquan Boldin over Reggie Wayne and Andre Johnson?


The infamous FSU/Miami debate? Yes, and you are still misguided if you think that Walker and Boldin are better then Wayne/Johnson. ;) But hey its done and over with so moving on.

draftguru151
07-11-2007, 08:46 PM
Gwen Stefani sold out, no doubt was awesome.

drowe
07-11-2007, 08:47 PM
here's my whole thing on lyrics. i like lyrics that are open to interperetation. rap and country lyrics to me seem way to literal. rock, in my opinion has the most abstract lyrics, and i enjoy making my own meaning for the song.

and, i realize i'm generalizing with rap and country...people have mentioned several times that the rap that non rap fans are exposed to is too commercial and not a good representation of the genre. well, crazy question: if i hate everything i've been exposed to from a certain genre, why the hell am i gonna spend time searching for more stuff from that genre? i know the less popular stuff may be better...but ya have to look for it. and who would take the time to look for it if they don't like what they've already been exposed to?

Ho0k Em'
07-11-2007, 08:48 PM
It's depends on the mood for me depending on what kind of music I like. If i'min the car and feeling hype or with some people i'll listen to some bangers(Unk, Weezy). If i'm in the club I wanna listen to some **** i can dance to(Chris Brown, Neyo). If i'm just melo then I'll listen to some melo music

I'll throw in some music outside of rap/RnB every once in a while too.

-black
07-11-2007, 08:50 PM
The infamous FSU/Miami debate? Yes, and you are still misguided if you think that Walker and Boldin are better then Wayne/Johnson. ;) But hey its done and over with so moving on.

Boldin>better carrer numbers in the same amount of years as Johnson

Walker>more potential than Wayne

FSU's DB's>Miami's DB's (all time )

:)

Paul
07-11-2007, 08:52 PM
The Roots are nice. The song they had with Cody Chestnut, "Seed 2.0" is top 10 on my list.

BigDawg819
07-11-2007, 08:52 PM
Boldin>better carrer numbers in the same amount of years as Johnson

Walker>more potential than Wayne

FSU's DB's>Miami's DB's (all time )

:)

Playing the potential card is an automatic loss in a debate and you know that. Its like saying "if so and so could stay healthy". But I agree with the DB comment. Hey college football isn't far off and its getting closer to the return of Seminole dominance!

-black
07-11-2007, 08:56 PM
here's my whole thing on lyrics. i like lyrics that are open to interperetation. rap and country lyrics to me seem way to literal. rock, in my opinion has the most abstract lyrics, and i enjoy making my own meaning for the song.

and, i realize i'm generalizing with rap and country...people have mentioned several times that the rap that non rap fans are exposed to is too commercial and not a good representation of the genre. well, crazy question: if i hate everything i've been exposed to from a certain genre, why the hell am i gonna spend time searching for more stuff from that genre? i know the less popular stuff may be better...but ya have to look for it. and who would take the time to look for it if they don't like what they've already been exposed to?

its not hard to find

Nas (one of the most abstract rappers of all time) is a multi-platinum artist

prolly the best 2 bars I have ever heard (abstract wise) came from him

"I drink Moet, with Medussa, give her shotguns in hell
from the spliff, that I lift and inhale, it aint hard to tell"

those 2 bars are some of the best original abstract rhymes I have ever heard because there are 2 ways to interpret it, and fans cant decide which one it is

To break it down

shotguns=when you smoke with someone and blow weed into their mouth...and u both get high

basically, he is saying that he is so high, that he can get Medussa STONED (the lady who if you look at her she turns you to stone"

there are 2 ways u can interpret it....the first way

1st

"I drink Moet, with Medussa, give her shotguns in hell
from the spliff, that I lift and inhale, it aint hard to tell"

2nd

"I drink Moet, with Medussa, give her shotguns, inhale
from the spliff that I lived in, in-hell, it aint hard to tell"

both of them make sense and give different meaning, but we dont really know which meaning is Nas's true intent...

listen around the 0:53 mark and tell me which meaning do u think iterpretation do u think it is

-black
07-11-2007, 08:57 PM
off topic

another group that was good but sucks now=Outkast

BigDawg819
07-11-2007, 09:00 PM
well then you all lose the debate...because many were picking Johnson over Boldin because of his "measurables" and potential...when Boldin has clearly outshinned Johnson since they both came into the league...(more yards, TDs, catches)...and they both had terrible QB's

I'm not saying Johnson has more potential, he's better because he's produced in a porous offense while Boldin has had Larry to take off the pressure. I'm not going into this debate again, especially in this thread. You can think your right, but realistically I am and you fail to realize it. :D

Cashmoney
07-11-2007, 09:01 PM
you all are gonna get this thread locked getting so off-topic

BigDawg819
07-11-2007, 09:06 PM
you all are gonna get this thread locked getting so off-topic

Way to chime in after I said I'm done with the off topic debate....... :rolleyes:

drowe
07-11-2007, 09:15 PM
its not hard to find

Nas (one of the most abstract rappers of all time) is a multi-platinum artist

prolly the best 2 bars I have ever heard (abstract wise) came from him

"I drink Moet, with Medussa, give her shotguns in hell
from the spliff, that I lift and inhale, it aint hard to tell"

those 2 bars are some of the best original abstract rhymes I have ever heard because there are 2 ways to interpret it, and fans cant decide which one it is

To break it down

shotguns=when you smoke with someone and blow weed into their mouth...and u both get high

basically, he is saying that he is so high, that he can get Medussa STONED (the lady who if you look at her she turns you to stone"

there are 2 ways u can interpret it....the first way

1st

"I drink Moet, with Medussa, give her shotguns in hell
from the spliff, that I lift and inhale, it aint hard to tell"

2nd

"I drink Moet, with Medussa, give her shotguns, inhale
from the spliff that I lived in, in-hell, it aint hard to tell"

both of them make sense and give different meaning, but we dont really know which meaning is Nas's true intent...

listen around the 0:53 mark and tell me which meaning do u think iterpretation do u think it is

to say i'm unimpressed would be a vast understatement.
that is exactly the kind of thing i mean. drugs just aren't my thing. i can't relate. and i think we have different ideas of abstract lyrics. you're saying what the rapper is saying is hard to understand and could work with multiple lyrics. the lyrics still seem pretty literal to me.

and, the 2 lines you have come up with as a great example of songwriting in rap music contain booze, drugs, guns and women. that is exactly the kind of stereotype people have about rap music and i woulda thought you could come up with something a little deeper to convince your audience.

Cashmoney
07-11-2007, 09:17 PM
Way to chime in after I said I'm done with the off topic debate....... :rolleyes:

look at the time of post. i essentially posted that right when you posted your last one. damn. :roll:

BigDawg819
07-11-2007, 09:27 PM
look at the time of post. i essentially posted that right when you posted your last one. damn. :roll:

And you think you matter why?

-black
07-11-2007, 09:32 PM
to say i'm unimpressed would be a vast understatement.
that is exactly the kind of thing i mean. drugs just aren't my thing. i can't relate. and i think we have different ideas of abstract lyrics. you're saying what the rapper is saying is hard to understand and could work with multiple lyrics. the lyrics still seem pretty literal to me.

and, the 2 lines you have come up with as a great example of songwriting in rap music contain booze, drugs, guns and women. that is exactly the kind of stereotype people have about rap music and i woulda thought you could come up with something a little deeper to convince your audience.

I used those 2 bars to show the creativity and different meanings that could take place within a short amount of words. Thats pure genius how he put that together. The drug reference is secondary to how he said it. Funny you would point out what he is referincing in those bars but overlook the complete song (which is completely abstract in style)


those 2 lines I posted are 2 of the greatest bars ever recorded. The meanings are endless (because getting high is not even what the song is about, but thats another story.....im loving that u did take it as literal, totally missing it)

but other abstract songs from "mainstream rappers"

http://youtube.com/watch?v=7-MU-WZCdR4

lol, kno wat, u sound like the type who would like Sage Francis....a truly abstract and strange rapper...takes forever to comprehend the subjects of his songs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ7w-z4BvMo

dabears10
07-11-2007, 09:37 PM
to say i'm unimpressed would be a vast understatement.
that is exactly the kind of thing i mean. drugs just aren't my thing. i can't relate. and i think we have different ideas of abstract lyrics. you're saying what the rapper is saying is hard to understand and could work with multiple lyrics. the lyrics still seem pretty literal to me.

and, the 2 lines you have come up with as a great example of songwriting in rap music contain booze, drugs, guns and women. that is exactly the kind of stereotype people have about rap music and i woulda thought you could come up with something a little deeper to convince your audience.

Do you like the Who? Because they really are not abstract at all, and talk about their lives. How about the Violent Femmes? All they basically talk about is sex. Sublime has a lot of inferences into drugs, and doesn't mean you do not have to like them. You are free to dislike rap but your reasons are crap because music has been about those things for a while.

Cashmoney
07-11-2007, 09:38 PM
And you think you matter why?

i didnt say i did or didnt. i said i posted that pretty much the same time you posted your last one where you said you were done with it, therefore i wasnt able to see you say that.

cardsalltheway
07-11-2007, 09:47 PM
Trying to convince people to like rap is like arguing religion. It's completely pointless and nobody ever budges. Some people like rap and some people don't. A lot of people who don't like it are ignorant but someone isn't ignorant just because they don't.

BigDawg819
07-11-2007, 09:50 PM
Trying to convince people to like rap is like arguing religion. It's completely pointless and nobody ever budges. Some people like rap and some people don't. A lot of people who don't like it are ignorant but someone isn't ignorant just because they don't.

Excellent analysis Sir!

-black
07-11-2007, 09:58 PM
Trying to convince people to like rap is like arguing religion. It's completely pointless and nobody ever budges. Some people like rap and some people don't. A lot of people who don't like it are ignorant but someone isn't ignorant just because they don't.

no one is convicing him to like rap.....read what i have been posting and you will see that. I am arguing against his ignorant reasoning....ive said plenty of times

say u dont like the genre of rap and thats fine...but not use reasons that are untrue (or to say rap isnt music)

BigDawg819
07-11-2007, 10:00 PM
no one is convicing him to like rap.....read what i have been posting and you will see that. I am arguing against his ignorant reasoning....ive said plenty of times

say u dont like the genre of rap and thats fine...but not use reasons that are untrue (or to say rap isnt music)

-black: the Jevohah Witness of Rap Music :D

Cashmoney
07-11-2007, 10:04 PM
Jehovah's Witness sounds like a band name

-black
07-11-2007, 10:05 PM
Jay Z fans are "Jay Hova's Witnesses"...they really try to convince you that he is the greatest rapper ever

A Perfect Score
07-11-2007, 10:06 PM
Everyone on here is saying Green Day sold out...i cant see how they did. Yes, Dookie was an amazing CD, and yes all those after were too, except for warning! which i didnt like...but people rip on American Idiot. I dont think anyone understands, it really is one of the best albums of all time. They didnt sell out, they stayed true when everyone else sold out. American Idiot os not a sterotypical CD, i dunno if any of u have followed the acutal story on the CD, but that is not sterotypical and they didnt sell out our become mainstream at all. In fact, its the opposite.

-black
07-11-2007, 10:07 PM
I like that song Wake me up when sept ends

is that a sellout song from their previous sound? (I have no idea of their previous sound)

Cashmoney
07-11-2007, 10:19 PM
idk. ive always hated the term sellout. peoples ideas, attitudes and interests change as they grow older. so like with greenday their sound definitely changed on american idiot but they were performing songs that meant something to them and i respect that. and i know ive stated other bands that i thought have soldout earlier in this thread but by that i just mean their sound changed a whole lot. and im not gonna completely give up on a band just because of that.

therock6000
07-11-2007, 10:53 PM
3 doors down

someone447
07-12-2007, 12:35 AM
It is really hard for me to say what I mean about it not being music. It affects me in a different way than say rock. Rap without a beat makes me feel the same as rap with the beat. I see it as more poetry rather than music. Both are equal in terms of art. Intellectually, I KNOW it is music, but it just doesn't FEEL like music, if you can understand what I mean.

Although I don't really like just about all rap, I am not hating on it. I can listen to rock, classical, etc without words and be moved by it. I can't say the same about rap.

To me, it seems like asking if you like Beethoven or Shakespeare. Both of them are equal in terms of art, but they are completely different, and make you feel different.

drowe, what the hell do you think most rock is about? I know you have heard the saying, Sex, Drugs, and Rock and Roll. To say you don't like rap because it talks about drugs and sex is a very bad argument.

I know I am probably not making much sense, but that is the best way I can explain it.

I am going to have to check out more of the roots, from what little I have heard, they seem pretty damn good.

If you can give me some more rappers that have very good lyrics, I will check them out too.

themaninblack
07-12-2007, 12:35 AM
i dont think green day sold out really either. i like everything they have ever done including their newest. the fact that it became overly popular and overplayed doesn't constitute selling out, IMO.

tEk
07-12-2007, 12:35 AM
3 doors downremind me when they were good again?

ncst8fan83
07-12-2007, 01:02 AM
whoa... white stripes are RAD. Unique and original.

Jack White wrote the song for the coke commercial. What's so terrible about that?

Oh and John Mayer can shred.


out of tune guitars and ****** vocals does not a unique band make. that meg chick sucks hairy taint at drums too. i think you could put a ******** spaz like tyler hansbrough on the drums and he could do better than that.


Someone explain to me how we could go from bands like the Eagles, The Who, Led Zepplin, Cream, and James Taylor to the FREAKING WHITE STRIPES?!?!? I can't for the life of me understand why music has to suck so badly now. Amazing musicians like Kenny Wayne Shephard and Ryan Adams get no frickin recognition but the White Stripes get a Grammy. I hate record companies and thank GOD for being able to find great artists every day on myspace. at least that place is good for something.

JF4
07-12-2007, 02:06 AM
remind me when they were good again?

The album with Kyrptonite on it. Thats about it.

Boston
07-12-2007, 02:08 AM
The album with Kyrptonite on it. Thats about it.

That was a good album. There newer stuff isn't very good.

snobdmat
07-12-2007, 02:10 AM
Hoobastank. their first album kicked major A and then the second was alright, but reason got overplayed like a mofo and the third just plain sucked

Ewing
07-12-2007, 04:01 AM
whoa... white stripes are RAD. Unique and original.

Jack White wrote the song for the coke commercial. What's so terrible about that?

Because you're a corporate **** sucking on the dick of advertising if you do a commercial of any kind as musician. If you're a young actor looking for work I understand but the White Stripes don't need any more money or work. Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix, and real artists never bowed down to the almighty advertising and endorsement dollar.

Paranoidmoonduck
07-12-2007, 05:15 AM
Because you're a corporate **** sucking on the dick of advertising if you do a commercial of any kind as musician. If you're a young actor looking for work I understand but the White Stripes don't need any more money or work. Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix, and real artists never bowed down to the almighty advertising and endorsement dollar.

Doesn't Ford have like three Led Zeppelin commercials?

drowe
07-12-2007, 07:22 AM
Ho-k,
since i can't seem to justify my dislike for rap without being questioned, i will outline it here.

I, drowe, do not like rap because:
1-i <3 guitars
2-lyrics never really got to me. sometimes, i'll hear a line from a rock song on the radio that really speaks to me. never happened with rap. and it's not because i am close minded. like i said, i would really LIKE to like rap. it just hasn't happened.

The_Dude
07-12-2007, 11:27 AM
Everyone on here is saying Green Day sold out...i cant see how they did. Yes, Dookie was an amazing CD, and yes all those after were too, except for warning! which i didnt like...but people rip on American Idiot. I dont think anyone understands, it really is one of the best albums of all time. They didnt sell out, they stayed true when everyone else sold out. American Idiot os not a sterotypical CD, i dunno if any of u have followed the acutal story on the CD, but that is not sterotypical and they didnt sell out our become mainstream at all. In fact, its the opposite.

How about the fact that they went from an independent label (Lookout; their first 2 albums) to a major record label (i don't remember which one; starting with Dookie). That is the definition of "Selling Out". They changed their style to meet the demands/interests of the general masses.

Keep in mind that i still like Green Day to a minor degree, i just prefer their stuff from their 1st 3 albums... don't care for them much after that.

I would also include Everclear in this discussion of bands who sold out. Their 1st album and most of their second album are ridiculously good. Once "Santa Monica" hit the airwaves, they changed their songwriting style to sound exactly like the one song that made them popular.

Look up "sold out" in the dictionary and you'll see a picture of Billie Joe's fat face. I think that Green Day and Everclear are perfect examples of bands who sold out.

drowe
07-12-2007, 11:40 AM
i get what you're saying about green day. and i thought 'good riddance' would be the start of them selling out. BUT, when ya look at American Idiot, ya got 2 songs pushing the 10 minute mark (not listener or radio friendly) a lead single with political commentary that had to be heavily censored, and a general sound that really hasn't changed that much since 1994. that is why i have a hard time calling 'em sellouts.

Shiver
07-12-2007, 11:40 AM
Everyone on here is saying Green Day sold out...i cant see how they did. Yes, Dookie was an amazing CD, and yes all those after were too, except for warning! which i didnt like...but people rip on American Idiot. I dont think anyone understands, it really is one of the best albums of all time. They didnt sell out, they stayed true when everyone else sold out. American Idiot os not a sterotypical CD, i dunno if any of u have followed the acutal story on the CD, but that is not sterotypical and they didnt sell out our become mainstream at all. In fact, its the opposite.

That isn't at all subjective.:rolleyes:

BuckNaked
07-12-2007, 11:44 AM
That isn't at all subjective.:rolleyes:

Do you think he created his username because of that movie with Darius Miles?

JCutlery
07-12-2007, 12:03 PM
lol

I could go on and on with this topic. So, I'm not even going to get started.

ncst8fan83
07-12-2007, 12:29 PM
lol

I could go on and on with this topic. So, I'm not even going to get started.

well we certainly appreciate your checking in on us in this thread.

JCutlery
07-12-2007, 12:39 PM
well we certainly appreciate your checking in on us in this thread.

Thanks, smart ass.

DLS42
07-12-2007, 12:40 PM
Doesn't Ford have like three Led Zeppelin commercials?

Cadalliac has one. it has rock n roll in the background.

themaninblack
07-12-2007, 02:22 PM
out of tune guitars and ****** vocals does not a unique band make. that meg chick sucks hairy taint at drums too. i think you could put a ******** spaz like tyler hansbrough on the drums and he could do better than that.


Someone explain to me how we could go from bands like the Eagles, The Who, Led Zepplin, Cream, and James Taylor to the FREAKING WHITE STRIPES?!?!? I can't for the life of me understand why music has to suck so badly now. Amazing musicians like Kenny Wayne Shephard and Ryan Adams get no frickin recognition but the White Stripes get a Grammy. I hate record companies and thank GOD for being able to find great artists every day on myspace. at least that place is good for something.

just because its simple doesnt mean its not good. it's a different time with much more musical diversity than there ever was previously and the corporate domination on music has put an emphasis on style instead of talent for the most part. i dont think the white stripes are the ones who are sell-outs or bad artists, in fact i think they are one of the few decent rock bands left in mainstream music today.

Scar
07-12-2007, 02:52 PM
I can't stand the White Stripes. Meg is a TERRIBLE drummer, and Jack, while talented, is supremely overhyped.

SubNoize
07-12-2007, 02:57 PM
What you call selling out, I still call maturation. We could argue all day. I could say the same thing about Tool, since Aenima, they have changed their sound almost completely but no one says they sold out. Why is that?

because every single Tool song sounds the same in some shape or form???

-black
07-12-2007, 03:14 PM
It is really hard for me to say what I mean about it not being music. It affects me in a different way than say rock. Rap without a beat makes me feel the same as rap with the beat. I see it as more poetry rather than music. Both are equal in terms of art. Intellectually, I KNOW it is music, but it just doesn't FEEL like music, if you can understand what I mean.

Although I don't really like just about all rap, I am not hating on it. I can listen to rock, classical, etc without words and be moved by it. I can't say the same about rap.

To me, it seems like asking if you like Beethoven or Shakespeare. Both of them are equal in terms of art, but they are completely different, and make you feel different.

drowe, what the hell do you think most rock is about? I know you have heard the saying, Sex, Drugs, and Rock and Roll. To say you don't like rap because it talks about drugs and sex is a very bad argument.

I know I am probably not making much sense, but that is the best way I can explain it.

I am going to have to check out more of the roots, from what little I have heard, they seem pretty damn good.

If you can give me some more rappers that have very good lyrics, I will check them out too.

I get what your saying now and respect every word of it...

I could go on and on and on and on and on when it comes to giving rappers with good lyrics...but I will just give a few...

Talib Kweli-Memories Live
http://youtube.com/watch?v=iAOOVtqUzmM

Nas and Tupac-Thugz Mansion
http://youtube.com/watch?v=WaurA3enDlI

Common-The Corner
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZztlOiOjo8E


let me stop here cuz if i didnt i would be posting links for forever

McBain
07-12-2007, 03:24 PM
out of tune guitars and ****** vocals does not a unique band make. that meg chick sucks hairy taint at drums too. i think you could put a ******** spaz like tyler hansbrough on the drums and he could do better than that.


Someone explain to me how we could go from bands like the Eagles, The Who, Led Zepplin, Cream, and James Taylor to the FREAKING WHITE STRIPES?!?!? I can't for the life of me understand why music has to suck so badly now. Amazing musicians like Kenny Wayne Shephard and Ryan Adams get no frickin recognition but the White Stripes get a Grammy. I hate record companies and thank GOD for being able to find great artists every day on myspace. at least that place is good for something.

You lack understanding... music is so much more than technicality. Christ. Don't you get it? Did you ever play in a band as kid? There imperfections are what make them such a great band... there simplicity, brilliance. I can go to a hundred lame ass technical shows where a guitarist can play 8000 different variation of E... but i just don't care. When i go to a white stripes.. i go to a white stripes show. There's absolutely nothing like it. Just because a band is successful and makes some money doesn't mean they're bad. It's not bad to look for your own music but it's hella lame to assume everything on the radio and everything that gets a grammy sucks. Anyways i'm putting money on the fact you've never been to a white stripes and i'm betting you've never even listened to anything outside of there radio hits. You're just a blind hater, and just conforming the ideals of non-conformity. I for one listen to whatever the hell i want.

Shiver
07-12-2007, 03:28 PM
You lack understanding... music is so much more than technicality. Christ. Don't you get it? Did you ever play in a band as kid? There imperfections are what make them such a great band... there simplicity, brilliance. I can go to a hundred lame ass technical shows where a guitarist can play 8000 different variation of E... but i just don't care. When i go to a white stripes.. i go to a white stripes show. There's absolutely nothing like it. Just because a band is successful and makes some money doesn't mean they're bad. It's not bad to look for your own music but it's hella lame to assume everything on the radio and everything that gets a grammy sucks. Anyways i'm putting money on the fact you've never been to a white stripes and i'm betting you've never even listened to anything outside of there radio hits. You're just a blind hater, and just conforming the ideals of non-conformity. I for one listen to whatever the hell i want.

Last time I checked the Eagles, The Who, Led Zepplin, Cream, and James Taylor is not exactly non-conformity. Those were the bands he listed. A ton of people love those bands.

McBain
07-12-2007, 03:28 PM
Because you're a corporate **** sucking on the dick of advertising if you do a commercial of any kind as musician. If you're a young actor looking for work I understand but the White Stripes don't need any more money or work. Led Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix, and real artists never bowed down to the almighty advertising and endorsement dollar.

Who cares if zeppelin and hendrix didn't do it? It's not a bad thing to make money. As long as the white stripes keep making great tunes i couldn't give two shits that they made a coke commercial. As long as music sounds good to me i listen to it. If you can't respect that, than you can suck my ****.

McBain
07-12-2007, 03:30 PM
Last time I checked the Eagles, The Who, Led Zepplin, Cream, and James Taylor is not exactly non-conformity. Those were the bands he listed. A ton of people love those bands.

"Amazing musicians like Kenny Wayne Shephard and Ryan Adams get no frickin recognition but the White Stripes get a Grammy."

that's what that was in response to.

McBain
07-12-2007, 03:32 PM
I can't stand the White Stripes. Meg is a TERRIBLE drummer, and Jack, while talented, is supremely overhyped.

Meg is the heart and soul of that band. She's kicks ass because her drumming is so simple. It's not supposed to complicated. It's garage rock.

Shiver
07-12-2007, 03:38 PM
Are you related to the Whites? Or are you just fan club president? Music is the most subjective of all entertainment. Why take such offense to people's opinion about the White Stripes?

McBain
07-12-2007, 03:41 PM
Are you related to the Whites? Or are you just fan club president? Music is the most subjective of all entertainment. Why take such offense to people's opinion about the White Stripes?

No, not at all. I do like the white stripes and have been to there shows before. I just don't like it when people are completely ignorant to a different type of sound.

ncst8fan83
07-12-2007, 03:42 PM
You lack understanding... music is so much more than technicality. Christ. Don't you get it? Did you ever play in a band as kid? There imperfections are what make them such a great band... there simplicity, brilliance. I can go to a hundred lame ass technical shows where a guitarist can play 8000 different variation of E... but i just don't care. When i go to a white stripes.. i go to a white stripes show. There's absolutely nothing like it. Just because a band is successful and makes some money doesn't mean they're bad. It's not bad to look for your own music but it's hella lame to assume everything on the radio and everything that gets a grammy sucks. Anyways i'm putting money on the fact you've never been to a white stripes and i'm betting you've never even listened to anything outside of there radio hits. You're just a blind hater, and just conforming the ideals of non-conformity. I for one listen to whatever the hell i want.

First off, your lack of understanding is dumbfounding. Yes, I've played in a band. I've played bass since I was 14 actually. White Stripes is lazy musicianship to me. You can listen to them all you want, I honestly couldn't care less. But saying I lack understanding because I think the White Stripes suck sweaty donkey balls is short-sighted and fairly ignorant. There's an old saying in the music world...you can't polish a turd. If you dig ****** guitar parts and drum beats my cousin with downs can play, then the White Stripes is your band. I like diverse music that actually makes an attempt at perfection. Try out The Alpha Couple, Eyes Set to Kill, Girl Talk, Cold War Kids, Go Crash Audio, Love of Diagrams, The Subways, Abe Quigley, Jeremy Enigk, and Straylight Run. And next time, try not to make vast generalizations about a person you know nothing about.

Shiver
07-12-2007, 03:45 PM
No, not at all. I do like the white stripes and have been to there shows before. I just don't like it when people are completely ignorant to a different type of sound.

I generally regard something as "different" or "unique" as something that isn't simple.

McBain
07-12-2007, 03:55 PM
First off, your lack of understanding is dumbfounding. Yes, I've played in a band. I've played bass since I was 14 actually. White Stripes is lazy musicianship to me. You can listen to them all you want, I honestly couldn't care less. But saying I lack understanding because I think the White Stripes suck sweaty donkey balls is short-sighted and fairly ignorant. There's an old saying in the music world...you can't polish a turd. If you dig ****** guitar parts and drum beats my cousin with downs can play, then the White Stripes is your band. I like diverse music that actually makes an attempt at perfection. Try out The Alpha Couple, Eyes Set to Kill, Girl Talk, Cold War Kids, Go Crash Audio, Love of Diagrams, The Subways, Abe Quigley, Jeremy Enigk, and Straylight Run. And next time, try not to make vast generalizations about a person you know nothing about.

There's no such thing as perfection. Just because the part is simple doesn't mean it's any less of a part. You play bass, that's cool. I play guitar. Let me ask you this.. did you ever play in a band with some kids when you were 6th grade. The white stripes are forever that band... just simple and awesome. If you can't see beauty in simplicity. Well i don't what to tell you.

[quote]If you dig ****** guitar parts and drum beats my cousin with downs can play, [quote/]

Well at least your cousin downs plays with soul. Something you obviously lack.

An attempt a perfection? What is perfection? Seriously.

I know Straylight Run and i know Cold War Kids. Post-hardcore is alright by me... but Straylight Run isn't very good live. Brand New is the best of the Long Island bands. Especially live. White Stripes completely dominate live.

In conclusion saying the White Stripe's "suck sweaty donkey balls" is completely ignorant and only proves you like contrived and un-orginal music.

Shiver
07-12-2007, 04:03 PM
In conclusion saying the White Stripe's "suck sweaty donkey balls" is completely ignorant and only proves you like contrived and un-orginal music.

I like Tool, Porcupine Tree and The Mars Volta. All of which are known for being different, at the least. That doesn't mean I like The White Stripes.

McBain
07-12-2007, 04:04 PM
I generally regard something as "different" or "unique" as something that isn't simple.

You say generally. The very word implies usually... which is exactly why the white stripes are unique. Usually simple isn't different but in this case it is. In a world of extremely technical music... they stick with the basics and fundamentals of music and they do so with an inordinate amount of passion. But it's more than that, jack white can shred guitar with the best. If you don't believe that go to a live show. Jack white can shred.. but he keeps it simple because they're supposed to sound simple. That's the entire idea of the band... it's minimal rock. There first album is call De Stijl... it's named after a dutch painter who was famous for minimalistic painting. It's ther entire concept that is the white stripes.

McBain
07-12-2007, 04:08 PM
I like Tool, Porcupine Tree and The Mars Volta. All of which are known for being different, at the least. That doesn't mean I like The White Stripes.

Ok. I didn't say you had to like the white stripes in order to like good music. Good music is always in the eye of the beholder. I can't make you like the white stripes, i can only explain to you why i think they're brilliant. Anyways, i just didn't like the way they were getting trashed in this topic. I do admit i probably took it too far saying you only like contrived music.. but still.

ncst8fan83
07-12-2007, 04:32 PM
There's no such thing as perfection. Just because the part is simple doesn't mean it's any less of a part. You play bass, that's cool. I play guitar. Let me ask you this.. did you ever play in a band with some kids when you were 6th grade. The white stripes are forever that band... just simple and awesome. If you can't see beauty in simplicity. Well i don't what to tell you.

If you dig ****** guitar parts and drum beats my cousin with downs can play,

Well at least your cousin downs plays with soul. Something you obviously lack.

An attempt a perfection? What is perfection? Seriously.

I know Straylight Run and i know Cold War Kids. Post-hardcore is alright by me... but Straylight Run isn't very good live. Brand New is the best of the Long Island bands. Especially live. White Stripes completely dominate live.

In conclusion saying the White Stripe's "suck sweaty donkey balls" is completely ignorant and only proves you like contrived and un-orginal music.and the generalizations, they keep on a comin'. Like I said, if you dig the Stripes, whatever, good for ya. Saying I'm completely ignorant and like only contrived and unoriginal music is, in and of itself, an ignorant statement. Music is subjective, not objective. You like it, fine. I hate it and think it's lazy musicianship. To me, the heart of every musician should be to take his craft to another level. The stripes don't achieve this in my opinion. Last I checked, I'm entitled to that. Simplistic music a beginner can pick up in 10 minutes is far from brilliant in my OPINION. You're entitled to yours. I still stand by my statement that I believe they suck. I'm done on this subject, but I'd appreciate it if you'd stop making statements aimed at my intelligence and taste in music. It doesn't strengthen your argument and probably has the opposite of the intended effect on whomever is reading your posts. Mkay?

Mr. Stiller
07-12-2007, 05:02 PM
I've come to the conclusion... that being a sell-out is only a term coined by those that couldn't "Sell out" themselves.

Very few if any bands with the chance to sell out say "Nah mate, I'd rather just have a small cult following, barely live paycheck to paycheck in a van with 4 other guys who shower as little as myself".


Any kid that ever aspires to be a rock star wants 3 things to happen.

1) "Sellout" Crowd in arena's. Play on the worlds biggest stage.
2) Hear their song all over the radio
3) Travel in a bus with their best friends/bandmates and live it up.

Shiver
07-12-2007, 05:27 PM
You want to be popular. That doesn't mean you sell your soul (musical integrity) to the Devil (the corporate sponsors).

BigDawg819
07-12-2007, 06:46 PM
Here I'll make it easy:

The White Stripes suck but hey its ok if you think they don't. Of course you would be wrong but its your call.

Scar
07-13-2007, 08:15 AM
Meg is the heart and soul of that band. She's kicks ass because her drumming is so simple. It's not supposed to complicated. It's garage rock.

That's such an inane statement that you can't have even possibly believed that yourself as you typed it. Give me a break, she's not dumbing down her drumming because of some sound they're going for, she's simply a talentless hack. It's not a matter of not employing advanced techniques, it's that she can't even keep time and her hits are struck with inconsistent power and placement. She is a terrible drummer, there's nothing more to it than that. JACK is that band, and he'd be better off stomping on a bucket for rhythm than he is with Meg flubbing it up.

McBain
07-13-2007, 04:51 PM
That's such an inane statement that you can't have even possibly believed that yourself as you typed it. Give me a break, she's not dumbing down her drumming because of some sound they're going for, she's simply a talentless hack. It's not a matter of not employing advanced techniques, it's that she can't even keep time and her hits are struck with inconsistent power and placement. She is a terrible drummer, there's nothing more to it than that. JACK is that band, and he'd be better off stomping on a bucket for rhythm than he is with Meg flubbing it up.

No. I meant every word. That's how it's supposed to sound... did you ever read any of my other posts. De Stilj is there inspiration. It's minimalistic rock. I never said that meg was a drumming goddess.. she isn't that good in the traditional sense of drumming... but who cares, she's not supposed to be good. The white stripes wouldn't even sound right if there drumming was with the beat... because it's not supposed to be. Anyways, i bet most of the people who are knocking the stripes haven't been to a live gig or even listened to there early stuff.. which like most musicians is superior to there new stuff.

ncst8fan83
07-13-2007, 04:55 PM
No. I meant every word. That's how it's supposed to sound... did you ever read any of my other posts. De Stilj is there inspiration. It's minimalistic rock. I never said that meg was a drumming goddess.. she isn't that good in the traditional sense of drumming... but who cares, she's not supposed to be good. The white stripes wouldn't even sound right if there drumming was with the beat... because it's not supposed to be. Anyways, i bet most of the people who are knocking the stripes haven't been to a live gig or even listened to there early stuff.. which like most musicians is superior to there new stuff.

i'm sorry but that made me loller :)

carry on...

Paul
07-13-2007, 05:11 PM
Paul McCartney. Some of his new stuff has been dreadful.

Jvig43
07-13-2007, 05:12 PM
NOt sure if this was said, but Linkin Park. Hybrid theory was cool, and although most ppl didnt like metora, i thought it was a very good cd. However Minutes to midnight sucked. there were some kool songs...like three, but the rest were all emo. they completely went mainstream, cause being the "Sensitive guy" or "Emo" is the thing to do now. I HATE EMO...ehem in case my point wasnt clear

McBain
07-13-2007, 05:19 PM
no no no, we're talking about bands that were GOOD than THEN started to suck. Not sucked and continued to suck

out of tune guitars and ****** vocals does not a unique band make. that meg chick sucks hairy taint at drums too. i think you could put a ******** spaz like tyler hansbrough on the drums and he could do better than that.

If you dig ****** guitar parts and drum beats my cousin with downs can play, then the White Stripes is your band. I like diverse music that actually makes an attempt at perfection.

You're very bitter person. All i've said is you should probably try to understand there music a little more rather baselessly slander them as terrible musicians. You say it's ok for me to like the Stripes... but only if you're allowed to completely lambaste them. I don't mind you thinking they're a bad band and i don't mind you not liking them. Christ, i completely agree, music is subjective. However, you're total asshole about it..

McBain
07-13-2007, 05:23 PM
i'm sorry but that made me loller :)

carry on...

Why do you have to define music? It can be anything you want it to be and more. Just because the white stripes don't operate in your perceived boundaries. Doesn't mean they suck. They're just different, i'm sorry you can't handle or appreciate them. But that's how it goes.

drowe
07-13-2007, 05:25 PM
You're very bitter person. All i've said is you should probably try to understand there music a little more rather baselessly slander them as terrible musicians. You say it's ok for me to like the Stripes... but only if you're allowed to completely lambaste them. I don't mind you thinking they're a bad band and i don't mind you not liking them. Christ, i completely agree, music is subjective. However, you're total asshole about it..

We're dicks! We're reckless, arrogant, stupid dicks. And the Film Actors Guild are pussies. And Kim Jong Il is an asshole. Pussies don't like dicks, because pussies get ****** by dicks. But dicks also **** assholes: assholes that just want to **** on everything. Pussies may think they can deal with assholes their way. But the only thing that can **** an asshole is a dick, with some balls. The problem with dicks is: they **** too much or **** when it isn't appropriate - and it takes a ***** to show them that. But sometimes, pussies can be so full of **** that they become assholes themselves... because pussies are an inch and half away from ass holes. I don't know much about this crazy, crazy world, but I do know this: If you don't let us **** this asshole, we're going to have our dicks and pussies all covered in ****!


wtf mate....

McBain
07-13-2007, 05:26 PM
wtf mate....

you've never seen team america?

Brent
07-13-2007, 06:34 PM
Anti-Flag was great but then they signed to RCA and have become mediocre.

trademaster
07-14-2007, 02:36 PM
Actually the Killers have one great song from Sams Town; ''Uncle Johnny'' http://youtube.com/watch?v=uTrPfG6nTKs


Plus bones and when we were young are also good.

Shiver
07-14-2007, 04:15 PM
NOt sure if this was said, but Linkin Park. Hybrid theory was cool, and although most ppl didnt like metora, i thought it was a very good cd. However Minutes to midnight sucked. there were some kool songs...like three, but the rest were all emo. they completely went mainstream, cause being the "Sensitive guy" or "Emo" is the thing to do now. I HATE EMO...ehem in case my point wasnt clear

I never liked Linkin Park, period.

BigDawg819
07-14-2007, 04:17 PM
I never liked Linkin Park, period.

They're actually not bad live.

SubNoize
07-14-2007, 04:22 PM
i saw linkin park in 2000 open up for kottonmouth kings at the bash on ash in tempe, az , which held like 200 people. they were begging people to mosh and throwing out free copies of hybrid theory which is how i got mine. i can't believe they actually blew up and turned their suckiness onto the masses.

neko4
07-14-2007, 04:22 PM
Why do bands have the wierdest names now-a-days? like panic at the disco, thats not even a noun

Paul
07-14-2007, 04:29 PM
Why do bands have the wierdest names now-a-days? like panic at the disco, thats not even a noun

Kinda inspired from the Smith's. I do not like Panic at the disco though.

princefielder28
07-14-2007, 04:30 PM
Kinda inspired from the Smith's. I do not like Panic at the disco though.

I like their song "I write sins not tragedies" and that is it

SubNoize
07-14-2007, 04:31 PM
i really like panic! i think the music is a little diff. from what's out there and i like the subject matter covered in most their songs, and it's just overall enjoyable all the way through.

pierce2walker
07-14-2007, 06:30 PM
Nas
Jay Z
Talib Kweli (sorta)
8ball & MJG

agree with these except I dont really know if Kweli sold out...his old stuff was better but I dont think he sold out...Mos Def is in that boat as well...his old stuff was real good, but his new stuff is definitely not up to par

Rob S
07-14-2007, 06:35 PM
agree with these except I dont really know if Kweli sold out...his old stuff was better but I dont think he sold out...Mos Def is in that boat as well...his old stuff was real good, but his new stuff is definitely not up to par

How can u say Nas sold out? Hip Hop Is Dead was a very, very good album. Not quite up to par with Illmatic or Stillmatic, but it is right the with It Was Written which is considered a very good album. Nas is still one of the best rappers out there, just because he has gone mainstream doesnt mean he sucks (and this is coming from a guy who like very little of what the mainstream offers rap wise).

cardsalltheway
07-14-2007, 06:40 PM
How can u say Nas sold out? Hip Hop Is Dead was a very, very good album. Not quite up to par with Illmatic or Stillmatic, but it is right the with It Was Written which is considered a very good album. Nas is still one of the best rappers out there, just because he has gone mainstream doesnt mean he sucks (and this is coming from a guy who like very little of what the mainstream offers rap wise).

You can count on one hand the number of albums that are on the same level as Illmatic. It's not fair to compare his other albums to that and Stillmatic, those are two of the greatest ever put out. You can expect someone to constantly drop classic albums.

SubNoize
07-14-2007, 06:42 PM
there are many better albums than illmatic, nas is still one of the most overrated rappers ever, i just do not get why people like his music it's very generic NY rap, same as a lot of other average MCs.

Rob S
07-14-2007, 06:43 PM
You can count on one hand the number of albums that are on the same level as Illmatic. It's not fair to compare his other albums to that and Stillmatic, those are two of the greatest ever put out. You can expect someone to constantly drop classic albums.

exactly my point. illmatic is the best rap album ever imo. just because his new stuff isnt as good doesnt mean he sold out or sucks. It just means he didnt make something better than the greatest rap album of all time.

Rob S
07-14-2007, 06:45 PM
there are many better albums than illmatic, nas is still one of the most overrated rappers ever, i just do not get why people like his music it's very generic NY rap, same as a lot of other average MCs.
well most people disagree. I happen to be one of them. It is OK to have personal taste in music, but to not even acknowledge his talent is wrong. Personally I hate Talib Kweli, but I give him his props as a talented rapper.

SubNoize
07-14-2007, 06:47 PM
well most people disagree. I happen to be one of them. It is OK to have personal taste in music, but to not even acknowledge his talent is wrong. Personally I hate Talib Kweli, but I give him his props as a talented rapper.

i don't think he's very talented therfore there's no props due, what makes him any better then Kweli? Nas has some abstract lyircs, but if i wanted to listen to alternative rap i'd much rather listen to hieroglyphics or del.

BigDawg819
07-14-2007, 06:51 PM
How does a band discussion turn into a rap debate exactly?

SubNoize
07-14-2007, 06:54 PM
yeah because 7 posts is a heated debate... anyways, solo artists have been mentioned in here a couple times and rappers are solo artists, so it's okay to mention rap.

cardsalltheway
07-14-2007, 06:57 PM
How does a band discussion turn into a rap debate exactly?

Well the OP did list a solo rapper in his post

tEk
07-14-2007, 08:24 PM
this isn't a damn complain about how they didn't sell out thread. support it with facts not...well they have good songs to me still.

p.s. GREEN DAY HAS SOLD OUT ALONG WITH A.F.I. They went from punkers to wearing make up and dressing emo to get teen girls and boys to but their records. also green day switched from their style of music to political and crappy emo bs songs. same with afi, they used to be hardcore punk. now they are just hardcore lame.

BlindSite
07-14-2007, 11:12 PM
agree with these except I dont really know if Kweli sold out...his old stuff was better but I dont think he sold out...Mos Def is in that boat as well...his old stuff was real good, but his new stuff is definitely not up to par

I've always thought Mos Def is a far better actor than rap/hip hop artist.

pierce2walker
07-15-2007, 12:31 AM
I like Mos Def and Kweli as solo artists, but they really need to reunite as Black Star because together they are incredible in my opinion...and on NaS I was wrong in that I didnt specify like others I dont believe hes sold out, just somewhat declined in quality...I think Illimatic was good, but I dont think it was the greatest album ever like some people think...I do recognize he has talent, I just think he has less then he gets credit for, but I still consider him good, just not the best...but I feel he is similar to Kweli and Mos Def in that hes slowly gone down hill, but he hasnt sold out nor does he suck...I prefer Kweli over the others but thats just me...but really Black Star needs to reunite...bad...their solo stuff is really going downhill

Jvig43
07-15-2007, 09:27 AM
this isn't a damn complain about how they didn't sell out thread. support it with facts not...well they have good songs to me still.

p.s. GREEN DAY HAS SOLD OUT ALONG WITH A.F.I. They went from punkers to wearing make up and dressing emo to get teen girls and boys to but their records. also green day switched from their style of music to political and crappy emo bs songs. same with afi, they used to be hardcore punk. now they are just hardcore lame.

I hate how all bands seem to be selling themselfs out to the emo crowd, Green day was a good band, and i remeber AFI before a lot of ppl had heard of them and they were really cool. Just another trend unfortunatley.

Donno
07-15-2007, 01:43 PM
This one has Slipknot and Korn written all over it.

GB12
07-15-2007, 01:48 PM
How does a band discussion turn into a rap debate exactly?
In case you haven't noticed EVERY off topic thread turns into a rap debate.

Cashmoney
07-15-2007, 03:22 PM
this isn't a damn complain about how they didn't sell out thread. support it with facts not...well they have good songs to me still.

p.s. GREEN DAY HAS SOLD OUT ALONG WITH A.F.I. They went from punkers to wearing make up and dressing emo to get teen girls and boys to but their records. also green day switched from their style of music to political and crappy emo bs songs. same with afi, they used to be hardcore punk. now they are just hardcore lame.

man, as people grow older their interests shift to new things. if a band that used to sing about masturbation changes to talk about politics then who cares? most people dont stay exactly the same and like the same stuff for their entire lives.

tEk
07-15-2007, 03:24 PM
man, as people grow older their interests shift to new things. if a band that used to sing about masturbation changes to talk about politics then who cares? most people dont stay exactly the same and like the same stuff for their entire lives.
you sound old and crotchety.

Cashmoney
07-15-2007, 03:25 PM
you sound old and crotchety.

yea im 18 going on 19 and my joints really ache. im gettin up there i guess.

Ewing
07-25-2007, 04:57 AM
Who cares if zeppelin and hendrix didn't do it? It's not a bad thing to make money. As long as the white stripes keep making great tunes i couldn't give two shits that they made a coke commercial. As long as music sounds good to me i listen to it. If you can't respect that, than you can suck my ****.

I'm using Zeppelin and Hendrix as examples. You know, bands who had standards about their music and art. It doesn't matter if the White Stripes put out great music or not what matters is that they bowed down to the almight marketing dollar in order to generate a few more bucks even though they have plenty. Music is about art not making money. You're just another corporate puppet selling out like a money hungry jackass when you do a commercial.