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etk
07-10-2007, 11:00 PM
http://www.preps.ca/article/discrimination-of-canadian-high-school-football-players-by-ncaa-scouts/

This is an interesting article written by a teammate of mine. I have played with or against many of those players listed in there, and most of them have starting potential on almost any college team. Matt Adetuyi is one of the fastest, most athletic and hard-hitting LBs in North American HS Football, period. I recommend looking up his and Mike Mizerski's videos on youtube. Mizerski is at UManitoba in Canada after failing to receive a US offer. Adetuyi attended some camps this summer but I still don't think he has found a home.

I just thought it's interesting and important for American fans to know that they're missing out on talented athletes and prospects, with no one to fault but their team's own scouts.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
07-10-2007, 11:15 PM
It's unfair, I agree. I don't play at the OV level like you do, but I played on a damn good league team with some players I think could potentially play in the US. One's a RB, but he broke his ankle two seasons ago and then in our playoff game last year, he tore his ACL, so unfortunately he might have lost his oppurtunity. But he was the team's best runner, receiver and blocker. Great all-around player. Another is a linebacker, a year younger than me, he's a beast, plain and simple. Benches 300 at age 15, runs a 4.7, 6'2" 195 with 2 years to grow. He definitely has the measurables but he's a bit raw, even he'll admit. On the bright side, he was actually talked to by a top-notch BCS school at a camp, so who knows. The other guy is a QB, he's really accurate, has a good arm, but hes also really on the small side for a QB which is unfortunate since he is very talented. He'll definitely play in Canada at the worst, but who knows, someone might take a chance on him. There are also two guys I played with who are as talented as anyone, but have really done some stupid stuff and probably lost whatever chance they had.

If I played in the US, all those guys would at the very least be looked at by the local university, just because they're hometown guys, and that might really be the problem. If there was a local university offering them a scholarship, they could go. But there isn't one because we have the CIS, which gives like $1500 max or something like that. And I don't think anyone can deny that in order to make it in the NCAA as a Canadian you have to be much, much better than an American would.

Oh, and before anyone comes in here spewing about All Canadians suck at football or whatever, please save it(certainly overall the US has better players but to say there are no great Canadian players is simply moronic). You don't need to broadcast your stupidity and ignorance.

Don Vito
07-10-2007, 11:20 PM
I follow BC a lot and I know they sign some Canadians, I haven't heard of many on other teams, though.

Didn't USC sign a Canadian DL the other day?

elway777
07-10-2007, 11:22 PM
I follow BC a lot and I know they sign some Canadians, I haven't heard of many on other teams, though.

Didn't USC sign a Canadian DL the other day?

By the other day you mean 2 1/2 months ago your correct.

Trey Henderson 6-3 275 DT who is only 16 years old.

etk
07-10-2007, 11:26 PM
I follow BC a lot and I know they sign some Canadians, I haven't heard of many on other teams, though.

Didn't USC sign a Canadian DL the other day?

Read the article, they signed him on a full scholarship only after another team offered and they knew they had to step their game up.

Canadian schools offer a max of about $3000, buy you must have an 80+ average to qualify.

Sveen
07-11-2007, 04:04 AM
Very interesting article. Being from Norway this issue is all new to me, and I agree that something needs to be done. Every player, no matter what country he is from, should get an equal opportunity.

Sniper
07-11-2007, 04:29 AM
By the other day you mean 2 1/2 months ago your correct.

Trey Henderson 6-3 275 DT who is only 16 years old.

Michigan signed Renaldo Sagesse, a DT from Montreal. 6'4, 315 lbs. Three-time All-Canada selection FWIW.

Canadian_kid16
07-11-2007, 07:46 AM
I whole-heartedly agree as well. I mean one kid on my team is the best runningback in my city, and he's only a sophomore. Give him a couple years andhe could be the best running back in Ontario. But with the location of the city I live in (Sudbury, 4 hours north of Toronto), he will probably never get looked at.

Now, this may be an extreme example, but I'm sure that some small NOrtheastern American schools like UConn or oneo f the directional Michigan's could find some hidden talent in certain parts of Canada which could make them better teams

Billingsley26
07-11-2007, 10:28 AM
Yup, I agree 100%. Ive been to camps and had coaches come talk to me toask me what school I go to. I say St. Francis Xavier, they say where abouts, I say just outside of Toronto, and they literally walkaway! Why should where Im from have anyting to do with it. If i was on the field banging with these guys are supposedly better than me, and you obviously saw something that made you walk up to talk to me, then why would you turn around and walk away after hearing Im Canadian???

On of my teammates, actually two High School, Chris Greaves 6'5 250 pounds when leaving high school, was being recruited by Michigan State, Akron and Buffalo, and neither offered saying he needed to bulk up!!! You kidding me, obvioulsy they have seen something they like in him, and if worst comes to worst, they know how he plays, red shirt him and let him BULK up. Hes at Western right now started 4 games at the end of the season, and is probably going to start the rest of his career, barring injury.

Maurice Forbes was a BEAST!! After grade 12+, he was almost 6'3 and about 300 pounds. He benched 315 as a warmup, and was being recruited by Michigan, Rutgers Penn State, and again was told he was too short to play DT. The friggin guy has an NFL ready body. He took a year off trying to see if anythign would come up. Nothing changed. He is now going to Concordia in September.

Its amazing tho. No one udnerstand until they see it first hand. Its really bad, becsuse coaches dont realize that Canada is a GOLD MINE!!! Too many really good players are being over looked. For god sakes, etk, I was at the combine when Jamal George ran a 4.29 electric. 4.29!!!! Theres talent everywhere. The OVFL is spewing with talent. Theres only one other option for us Canadians who want to be given a shot in the US, thats JuCo. Thats where Im heading, hopefully for a year so I can get in and out, and someone sees it.

jbeans187
07-11-2007, 11:57 AM
Thats a great article. I bet if some of these players went to some american schools camps and combines they could get some serious looks if they do well. Also they should send out highlight tapes. Taylor Bennet QB at G Tech wasnt that impressive in high school, and was only getting looks from small schools but he sent out highlight tapes and went to G Techs camp, now look at him. One of my friends goes to a high school that is awful at football but hes a stud 6'5 280, 4.98 electric 40, his mom made a highlight tape of him and sent it to schools, he has since recieved invites to combines and camps, and now he has 2 D1 offers from the camps

Billingsley26
07-11-2007, 01:41 PM
WOW! You guys wont believe what I just got in an email from Rivals.com....



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Rivals.com is proud to announce the launch of our first High School football site devoted entirely to players and teams in Canada, RedFlagSports.com.

From Quebec to Saskatchewan and everywhere in Manitoba, RedFlagSports will cover it all. High school teams and high school players looking for exposure in the states this is the place to go.

Get to RedFlagSports.com for all the latest in Canada.

If it happens in Canada, you will read about it first at RedFlagSports.com
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I guess something is getting out.


BTW jbeans187, Ive been to camps in the states, and combines, and honestly American coaches aren't interested. Ive been turned down, just look at what I wrote previously.

jbeans187
07-11-2007, 02:05 PM
Its amazing even at camps players are ignored, thanks for bringing this to attention

Billingsley26
07-11-2007, 02:29 PM
Its amazing even at camps players are ignored, thanks for bringing this to attention


It really is. Its tough to believe, but jbeans187 your pretty understanding and you seem to be in the know. It sucks, but hopefully this new Rivals Canada thing will help. I hope it does, just seems a little late. But then again, better late than never.

LB51
07-11-2007, 04:11 PM
WOW! You guys wont believe what I just got in an email from Rivals.com....



From RedFlagSports.com

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Canadian Football Fan,

Rivals.com is proud to announce the launch of our first High School football site devoted entirely to players and teams in Canada, RedFlagSports.com.

From Quebec to Saskatchewan and everywhere in Manitoba, RedFlagSports will cover it all. High school teams and high school players looking for exposure in the states this is the place to go.

Get to RedFlagSports.com for all the latest in Canada.

If it happens in Canada, you will read about it first at RedFlagSports.com
www.RedFlagSports.com


I guess something is getting out.


BTW jbeans187, Ive been to camps in the states, and combines, and honestly American coaches aren't interested. Ive been turned down, just look at what I wrote previously.

i rly hope this have this site up by next year

etk
07-11-2007, 08:38 PM
I whole-heartedly agree as well. I mean one kid on my team is the best runningback in my city, and he's only a sophomore. Give him a couple years andhe could be the best running back in Ontario. But with the location of the city I live in (Sudbury, 4 hours north of Toronto), he will probably never get looked at.

Now, this may be an extreme example, but I'm sure that some small NOrtheastern American schools like UConn or oneo f the directional Michigan's could find some hidden talent in certain parts of Canada which could make them better teams

Jamal Hyman, a freshman on my OV team, is going to be the best running back in Ontario. He's 6'0 180, built like a truck and an amazing natural athlete. His potential is off the charts, and teams will be all over him. Problem is, none will probably offer...
Thats a great article. I bet if some of these players went to some american schools camps and combines they could get some serious looks if they do well. Also they should send out highlight tapes. Taylor Bennet QB at G Tech wasnt that impressive in high school, and was only getting looks from small schools but he sent out highlight tapes and went to G Techs camp, now look at him. One of my friends goes to a high school that is awful at football but hes a stud 6'5 280, 4.98 electric 40, his mom made a highlight tape of him and sent it to schools, he has since recieved invites to combines and camps, and now he has 2 D1 offers from the camps

Check out Mizerksi and Adetuyi's tapes on youtube. That's all I have to say. It's different for americans...

Draft King
07-11-2007, 09:51 PM
Very true, we have a great RB on our team that I play alongside, repeat offensive POTW Branden Gillanders, he blazes by everybody and looks like Reggie Bush out there with his jukes.

jbeans187
07-12-2007, 12:12 AM
Jamal Hyman, a freshman on my OV team, is going to be the best running back in Ontario. He's 6'0 180, built like a truck and an amazing natural athlete. His potential is off the charts, and teams will be all over him. Problem is, none will probably offer...


Check out Mizerksi and Adetuyi's tapes on youtube. That's all I have to say. It's different for americans...

Adetuyi is a man among boyz, he lights people up

themaninblack
07-12-2007, 12:14 AM
its the level of competition i would hope more than anything.

VY10
07-12-2007, 12:19 AM
Why don't they just go play football for colleges in Canada. This is the N(National)CAA. Not the I(International)CAA. :p

Sniper
07-12-2007, 12:38 AM
Why don't they just go play football for colleges in Canada. This is the N(National)CAA. Not the I(International)CAA. :p

Um because players want to play at the highest level, and the NCAA is the highest level. We're not asking to integrate the CIS and NCAA, it's just asking to give Canadian kids a look. Come on think a little next time.

LB51
07-12-2007, 12:49 AM
back ta the canadian rivals thing...

is ther ne indication of wen they will make it
?

SuperMcGee
07-12-2007, 12:49 AM
On of my teammates, actually two High School, Chris Greaves 6'5 250 pounds when leaving high school, was being recruited by Michigan State, Akron and Buffalo, and neither offered saying he needed to bulk up!!! You kidding me, obvioulsy they have seen something they like in him, and if worst comes to worst, they know how he plays, red shirt him and let him BULK up. Hes at Western right now started 4 games at the end of the season, and is probably going to start the rest of his career, barring injury.

No offer from Buffalo: The ultimate rejection.

Billingsley26
07-12-2007, 12:05 PM
No offer from Buffalo: The ultimate rejection.

Ya well the funny thing is, I went to school with Robert Pavlovic TE with South Carolina now, and he got rejected by Buffalo, and the South Carolina coach at the time laughed and said thats why they are where they are and laughed at them. I thought that was funny!!! LOL!!!

Billingsley26
07-12-2007, 12:06 PM
back ta the canadian rivals thing...

is ther ne indication of wen they will make it
?

On the wbsite it said up in 9 days, that was when I posted the link to it. Once I clicked on it, it said there was no story. So who knows.

LB51, where are you from?

mqtirishfan
07-12-2007, 12:32 PM
It's definitely the lack of competition. For instance, I watched an average team in my conference play against a Canadian team and it wasn't even fair. They beat them by about 60 points. It was as if the other team had never played the game before. Obviously, this is just one team, but Canadian high school football just isn't very good. Of course there are some good players, but it's just like D-1AA football like the article states. What the article leaves out is that maybe one or two players from 1-AA make an impact in the NFL each year. Also, Canadian high school football compared to 5A Texas high school football is more like division 2 than 1-AA. Shall we look at the number of D2 players making an impact in the NFL? Good athletes come from everywhere, Canada included. The problem is, that doesn't translate to being able to make the step up from playing against awful players to playing with people just as athletic and gifted as they are.

VY10
07-12-2007, 01:27 PM
Um because players want to play at the highest level, and the NCAA is the highest level. We're not asking to integrate the CIS and NCAA, it's just asking to give Canadian kids a look. Come on think a little next time.

whoa there! didn't mean to offend you. Get a sense of humor.

Iamcanadian
07-12-2007, 01:35 PM
No matter how you put it, Canadian football players are extremely raw when they go to college. Many Canadian are sprinkled throughout the NCAA and some make it to the pros but it is a long process. There simply isn't the training or competition in Canada to prepare him for an NCAA career. What you do find when a Canadian kid goes south of the border for football, is a very good athlete, who is raw and needs lots of work. Many become starters eventually based on their athletic ability and some make it to the pros, but for the most part, Canadian kids are miles behind in technique when the enter American colleges and need at least 2 years to become servicable players. Many second tier colleges take them because of their athletic ability and are willing to work with them and develope them as players. The top American football powers don't have that patience and only a few every make those teams.

VY10
07-12-2007, 01:37 PM
On a serious note....

It is too hard to recruit in Canada. No coaches want to make that trip and if Canadians aren't coming down to do American camps that can't complain about not getting recruited. I really doubt if a player is "that good" that college coaches won't consider him just because he is Canadian. If these Canadian players want to play at a school like Notre Dame, Souther Cal, or Texas they are insane, but if they are willing to go and camp at a couple of schools close to the border I don't see why teams up North would have any problem taking a Canadian player if they actually had talent. On a further note think about how much real talent there is in Canada..... They have less football talent in their entire country than there is in almost any one of the U.S. states. It isn't worth a coaches time to have to go and sift through all the players just to find one "jewel." Again Canadians as a general population not having many great football players is not discrimination, it is just a fact.

mqtirishfan
07-12-2007, 01:39 PM
On a serious note....

They have less football talent in their entire country than there is in almost any one of the U.S. states.

Canadian talent > Alaskan talent. :)

Billingsley26
07-12-2007, 02:52 PM
so rather than just sitting back and whining about how us teams ignore canadian players, do any of them take the initiative to, you know, walk on to a team? or do they all just talk about how the US doesn't care, and then go play for some unspectacular canuck college squad?

honestly njx, do you think before you write things?? Serious question! Do you take into account how much it costs for an International Student to attend a D1 NCAA college in the states cost? Have you taken into consideration living expenses? How about transportation? Probably not or else you wouldn't have made such an idiotic statement. On average for an International student to walk-on to a school, you are looking at paying 35-40,000 dollars a year! Do you have that much money njx? Please think before you make such remarks, as this is not the first time. A lot of people go to "unspectacular canuck teams" because that is the only REALISTIC option left. It is very nice to talk about walking on to a team, but it isnt reality for 97% of people. The other 3% have to look at the chance they are gonna ahve once they go down there. Please take everything into consideration before posting something stupid like you did previously.

Billingsley26
07-12-2007, 02:54 PM
On a serious note....

It is too hard to recruit in Canada. No coaches want to make that trip and if Canadians aren't coming down to do American camps that can't complain about not getting recruited. I really doubt if a player is "that good" that college coaches won't consider him just because he is Canadian. If these Canadian players want to play at a school like Notre Dame, Souther Cal, or Texas they are insane, but if they are willing to go and camp at a couple of schools close to the border I don't see why teams up North would have any problem taking a Canadian player if they actually had talent. On a further note think about how much real talent there is in Canada..... They have less football talent in their entire country than there is in almost any one of the U.S. states. It isn't worth a coaches time to have to go and sift through all the players just to find one "jewel." Again Canadians as a general population not having many great football players is not discrimination, it is just a fact.


I guess thats why Canada seems to beat the USA during the Global Championships at the SuperBowl!

BTW, there are a few teams who go down to the states for an ex game, but there are never any good ones that go down. I would love to see how St. Michaels College School or St. Andrews or perhaps Lorne Park fare against your teams. Honestly, these are the REAL schools with real coaching. Thats what it comes down to in Canada is coaching.

Billingsley26
07-12-2007, 03:04 PM
OMFG IT COSTS MONEY!?!?!?!?!?!

blow me. i took loans out for every cent that i couldn't pay during college, walked onto an out of state football team that i never got a scholarship for and am still a functioning member of society afterwards. does everything need to be spoonfed to you? does someone need to give you everything for you to have any hope of achieving? i'm thoroughly and utterly disgusted by both the fact that you think this garbage is in any way a thoughtful response and more, that you seem to have no initiative to do anything to better your own situation without someone doing it for you.

speaking of posting something stupid. tell me again how some international student from canada stands no chance of paying all those bills when he walks on to follow his dream of playing football in the states? because i have actual counter examples from my own life that prove you have no idea what you're talking about.


Tell me something...how long is it until you are done paying for all your school fees? Secondly, did you have to pay 40,00 dollars to go to school each year? Thats even dumber considering you said you went to a state school which they cut the costs by soo much. So who sounds like the idiot now? You probably paid less than $5000 to go to school each year.

For your information I looked into walking on to Troy University, but found out it wasnt worth it, dont tell me I dont have iniative, so I am doing something about it, and had you read the infor previously you would;ve heard that I was doing something about it you idiot. Im going to a juco to get my name out in that sense. Good enough for you? At some it goes past what your dreams are, especailly when you dont have $40,000 a year to pay for school. Think about it.

LB51
07-12-2007, 03:05 PM
On the wbsite it said up in 9 days, that was when I posted the link to it. Once I clicked on it, it said there was no story. So who knows.

LB51, where are you from?

i'm from wininpeg

Billingsley26
07-12-2007, 03:20 PM
thanks for making moronic generalizations without having any vague clue wtf you're talking about. do us all a favor and look up out of state costs for some US state universities. start with the University of Colorado, which, a few years ago, was running around $38k a year for an out of state student. it's further absolutely none of your business how long i'll be re-paying those loans, as that's tied very closely with my current income level. something i have less than no interest in sharing with some 14 year old who's already proven multiple times in this thread that he has no idea what he'as talking about and is instead trying to carry out a ridiculous personal vendetta simply because i've told him he's wrong a few times. grow up.



so you're going to a juco for a year or two? great! that's the bloody point. i went to a small school in colorado, and even though we won the state championship, scouts from d-1 schools were not taking an interest. rather than whine about how unfair it is, a number of our guys went to small schools and jucos for a year or two, then transferred to better universities to play. some of us walked on to programs we wanted to play for. my desire to play college football made it worth me re-paying my college loans today. but hey, keep up the personal attacks! calling me an idiot really makes you look smarter!

So if it is 38k a year for an outta state student tack on Internation Student fees, along with the exchange rate (getting higher but still a pain) and your looking at easily over 55k a year. OUTRAGEOUS!! Obvioulsy you had your heart desired on playing football at a certain school, and I respect that, and to some degree I do too, but not to the point when Im paying for the rest of my life. I would soon rather play at a juco for a year or two, then catch on with another school. Finally we have agreed on one thing.

I still feel you aren't understanding my point about an International student paying that much to go to school. Take your Colorado example. 55k minimum to go to school each year! Come on, how long does one want to pay that off during their life? I want to live my life with as minimum debt as possible.

Billingsley26
07-12-2007, 03:27 PM
CU was an example. there are certainly far cheaper state schools with, at this point, better football programs. again, I understand not wanting to pay that much. but it's seriously obnoxious to read some of the "woe is us" comments in this thread. there are *always* options if one wants something enough.

That I do agree with. Hence why I have turned down many, many CIS schools and am going juco. I think others shouls follow.

TACKLE
07-12-2007, 04:21 PM
I got the chance to play against Trey Henderson (USC Commit) in the Provincial Championship Game (which we won as underdogs). He is a physically gifted player with great size and strength but isn't as dominant as you'd expect. He's the kind of guy when "on" he's unstoppable but a lot of the time he looks average. He probably wasn't eve the best D-Lineman in BC. But the the thing about him was the exposure. He went to several camps in the States including USC and Washington. There he had the opportunity to be scouted by American Scouts and get into their database. Also, there was a rumour that he sent his highlight tape to every Div 1A. He wasn't nesscesarily an amazing player, although he has lots of poetential but Div 1A coaches were aware of who he was and what he could do. He ended up getting a full ride to SC. The main difference between scholorship opportunities for American and Canadian Players is exposure. There is guy named named Ron Dias is the only guy in all of Canada who scout the players talks to American coaches about Canadian players. Canadian athletes need to take more initiative and make an effort to get seen.

ironman4579
07-12-2007, 04:43 PM
Here's the thing though. How many players that were actually offered in that article turned out to be academically ineligible later on? The guy's talking like no one ever gets a chance. Clearly some guys did, and they blew it by not making the grades. I can think of at least 3 different examples like that from the article.

VY10
07-12-2007, 05:09 PM
I guess thats why Canada seems to beat the USA during the Global Championships at the SuperBowl!

BTW, there are a few teams who go down to the states for an ex game, but there are never any good ones that go down. I would love to see how St. Michaels College School or St. Andrews or perhaps Lorne Park fare against your teams. Honestly, these are the REAL schools with real coaching. Thats what it comes down to in Canada is coaching.

Honestly Billingsley26 do you think before you write things!
Congradu****lations Canada has all of the "elite" football coaches. Considering I have never heard of any of the teams you mentioned I don't know how they would fair against Hoover High who ACTUALLY produces NCAA talent. **** Hoover even has its own TV show in the states. I'm pretty sure teams like Southlake Carroll and any highschool powerhouse would love to get behind and mount any team in Canada. If you think for one second that any football program in Canada is worth warm spit you are sadly mistaken. And anyways if your teams are so ****ing good with such top tier talent why don't all your Canadian universities start powerhouse football teams? That seems to be the theme of this thread... That Candian football talent is so ****ing good except all American football coaches hate Canadians and refuse to give them scholarships.

Then I notice you attack njx which is completely uncalled for. Honestly Billingsley, do you take into account that no one ****ing cares if Canadians have to pay lots of money to go to an AMERICAN university. Awww boohoo some Canadian football player can't get a scholarship to play at a big time American program. WAHHHHHH. So now "all Americans are racist against Canadian football players and it isn't because they suck, it is because they simply are from Canada." **** they don't even look different.

Get over it Canada. You have inferior football talent. Stop ****ing and complaining and stop insulting people that actually know what they are talking about. Send all of your players to the CFL where they will stay and get to play with the undrafted Americans coming out of college

VY10
07-12-2007, 05:13 PM
So if it is 38k a year for an outta state student tack on Internation Student fees, along with the exchange rate (getting higher but still a pain) and your looking at easily over 55k a year. OUTRAGEOUS!! Obvioulsy you had your heart desired on playing football at a certain school, and I respect that, and to some degree I do too, but not to the point when Im paying for the rest of my life. I would soon rather play at a juco for a year or two, then catch on with another school. Finally we have agreed on one thing.

I still feel you aren't understanding my point about an International student paying that much to go to school. Take your Colorado example. 55k minimum to go to school each year! Come on, how long does one want to pay that off during their life? I want to live my life with as minimum debt as possible.

WHO CARES! You don't pay American taxes to go to our cheaper public universities. Your argument is totally irrelevant. If you don't get a scholarship go to some Canadian college. Stop *****ing about how it is so expensive for a foreigner to go to a school that Americans pay for every year. If it is too expensive, don't go.

etk
07-12-2007, 06:11 PM
Why don't they just go play football for colleges in Canada. This is the N(National)CAA. Not the I(International)CAA. :p

so rather than just sitting back and whining about how us teams ignore canadian players, do any of them take the initiative to, you know, walk on to a team? or do they all just talk about how the US doesn't care, and then go play for some unspectacular canuck college squad?

The two of you simply don't understand the concept of the Canadian athlete wanting to attend American university on a full scholarship. It's quite simple actually: full scholarship! Canadian universities can only give up to about $3000 "bursary" to incoming athletes, and that hinges on an 80+ average in Grade 12 and maintaining a 70 in university. Canadians strive to play in the US because they can get a free education and play on the highest level, does that not make sense? Walking onto a team defeats the purpose because American tuition is far more expensive and you don't even get the small amount that Canadian schools offer, you get $0. Many of these players I mentioned would walk on at a university with the confidence and expectation of earning a scholarship, however they can't even afford that initial year of paying.

etk
07-12-2007, 06:15 PM
On a serious note....

It is too hard to recruit in Canada. No coaches want to make that trip and if Canadians aren't coming down to do American camps that can't complain about not getting recruited. I really doubt if a player is "that good" that college coaches won't consider him just because he is Canadian. If these Canadian players want to play at a school like Notre Dame, Souther Cal, or Texas they are insane, but if they are willing to go and camp at a couple of schools close to the border I don't see why teams up North would have any problem taking a Canadian player if they actually had talent. On a further note think about how much real talent there is in Canada..... They have less football talent in their entire country than there is in almost any one of the U.S. states. It isn't worth a coaches time to have to go and sift through all the players just to find one "jewel." Again Canadians as a general population not having many great football players is not discrimination, it is just a fact.

Trust me, American scouts (Northern teams) know about the top Canadian prospects and they are not difficult to scout or find. In many cases these prospects actually come to the camps and the schools yet they still fail to offer. A 4.29 is a 4.29, no matter where you are from. 6'1 220 LBs with 4.4 speed and incredible leaping ability are the same in Canada as they are in the States.

LB51
07-12-2007, 07:07 PM
ETK qre u sure about the bursary's only goin up 2 3000$ becuz i was at a U of M football camp and i could have sworn i heard brian Dobie talk about full scholorships but it was awhile ago so i met b mistaken

etk
07-12-2007, 07:16 PM
ETK qre u sure about the bursary's only goin up 2 3000$ becuz i was at a U of M football camp and i could have sworn i heard brian Dobie talk about full scholorships but it was awhile ago so i met b mistaken

By U of M you mean Manitoba, right?

Not all schools have the same limits, I believe, as different universities have different requirements and allocated spending, but 3000 is about what one should expect.

LB51
07-12-2007, 07:24 PM
By U of M you mean Manitoba, right?

Not all schools have the same limits, I believe, as different universities have different requirements and allocated spending, but 3000 is about what one should expect.

chyea i meant Manitoba still 3000 isn't bad considering Uof M is only 2000 $ a yr to attend i'n not sure about other cis skools but they can't b much more

PeterWarrick9
07-12-2007, 07:28 PM
Sorry, I can't believe this. A recruiters main objective is to build the best team possible, regardless if he is from South Dakota, Arizona, or Canada. I can't say a person residence overrides his abilities.

What about Daryn Colledge or Mark Schlereth? I have alot more respect for a Canadian team than a Alaskan team. Yet Colledge went to a D1 program in Boise State and Mark to Idaho. Once again, Idaho is not a powerhouse but definitely better than some JUCO school.

Gaines Adams played 8 man football. I think that is totally different than 11 man football we are used to here in USA/Canada. (I do gotta admit that I can't say that I have ever seen an 8 man football game.)

How did Brett Romberg go play for the U? A Canadian playing for the powerhouse Hurricanes. Josh Bourke played for Grand Valley State, albeit a D2 program, but GVSU has been one hell of a team in D2.

For you Canadians, I say just play in your own college football system, go to the CFL. If you are good enough, I am sure that recruited will add you

PeterWarrick9
07-12-2007, 07:32 PM
Sorry, I m not trying to start a fight.

I am just saying, if you dont get selected, go play in Canada. Make your way to CFL or whatever team and make the college regret not picking you up

etk
07-12-2007, 07:35 PM
Honestly Billingsley26 do you think before you write things!
Congradu****lations Canada has all of the "elite" football coaches. Considering I have never heard of any of the teams you mentioned I don't know how they would fair against Hoover High who ACTUALLY produces NCAA talent. **** Hoover even has its own TV show in the states. I'm pretty sure teams like Southlake Carroll and any highschool powerhouse would love to get behind and mount any team in Canada. If you think for one second that any football program in Canada is worth warm spit you are sadly mistaken. And anyways if your teams are so ****ing good with such top tier talent why don't all your Canadian universities start powerhouse football teams? That seems to be the theme of this thread... That Candian football talent is so ****ing good except all American football coaches hate Canadians and refuse to give them scholarships.

Then I notice you attack njx which is completely uncalled for. Honestly Billingsley, do you take into account that no one ****ing cares if Canadians have to pay lots of money to go to an AMERICAN university. Awww boohoo some Canadian football player can't get a scholarship to play at a big time American program. WAHHHHHH. So now "all Americans are racist against Canadian football players and it isn't because they suck, it is because they simply are from Canada." **** they don't even look different.

Get over it Canada. You have inferior football talent. Stop ****ing and complaining and stop insulting people that actually know what they are talking about. Send all of your players to the CFL where they will stay and get to play with the undrafted Americans coming out of college

....

let the flaming commence.

I won't even bother flaming with ignorant posts like this one above, they're not worth my time. It was very difficult to contain myself from personally attacking this "person", so let's leave it at that.

PeterWarrick9
07-12-2007, 07:39 PM
Sorry, if I am really making you mad etk. I am trying to you know start a debate. I have seen a lot of Canadian players play and there are some damn good ones.

I just cannot see a recruiter sayin know because they are Canadian. My back up, Brett Romberg. He had no trouble of making it to the U. Now if he walked on to the U, I will admit my mistake for bringing him up.

Born Brett Christopher Romberg in Windsor, Ontario, Canada...Canadian Junior Football League Offensive Lineman of the Year as senior at Belle River High in Windsor...active in community while with Jacksonville, making school visits, participating in charity golf tournaments, helping deliver turkeys to local soup kitchens and homeless shelters, and supporting team community initiatives...married to Emily.

http://www.stlouisrams.com/team/players/57074/

etk
07-12-2007, 07:55 PM
Sorry, I can't believe this. A recruiters main objective is to build the best team possible, regardless if he is from South Dakota, Arizona, or Canada. I can't say a person residence overrides his abilities.

What about Daryn Colledge or Mark Schlereth? I have alot more respect for a Canadian team than a Alaskan team. Yet Colledge went to a D1 program in Boise State and Mark to Idaho. Once again, Idaho is not a powerhouse but definitely better than some JUCO school.

Gaines Adams played 8 man football. I think that is totally different than 11 man football we are used to here in USA/Canada. (I do gotta admit that I can't say that I have ever seen an 8 man football game.)

How did Brett Romberg go play for the U? A Canadian playing for the powerhouse Hurricanes. Josh Bourke played for Grand Valley State, albeit a D2 program, but GVSU has been one hell of a team in D2.

For you Canadians, I say just play in your own college football system, go to the CFL. If you are good enough, I am sure that recruited will add you

I'm not mad at you, your post has some sensibility to it.

I agree that a recruiter's main objective is building a team of talent, but that makes it even more appalling that some of the aforementioned players in the thread didn't get offers. Many could argue that there were extraordinary circumstances that prevented some Canadians from "making it", but eventually one has to look at the quantity of talented Canadians without scholarships and wonder "Maybe they tried their best and discrimination was a factor". Like Billingsley said, many American scouts will laugh at you and walk away when you say you're from a Canadian High School. It's a serious problem. Most talented basketball players from Canada that I know of managed to get American scholarship offers, so how come this problem really exists in football almost exclusively. American hockey players aren't discriminated against by Canadians.

Gaines Adams is American.
On a typical scale: American + athletic ability=full scholarship, pending on grades meeting requirments. Canadian + sub 4.4 40 + A average + good SAT + standout tape=full scholarship to a good 1AA school...

You use the example of Romberg, which is fine (he wasn't the only Canadian on their OLine), but there are many more big, strong athletic linemen where that came from. Using a few rare exceptions of Canadians making it to "big programs" does not change the fact that players with even more talent and potential, like Matt Adetuyi, Justene Edwards, Jamaal George, etc. probably will end up falling off the map or dominating CIS play.

I plan on going through the CIS system and wouldn't strongly pursue American football myself, mainly because my body type and skill set suit my specific position which does not exist in America.

Edit: If this is considered flaming, I apologize in advance

Billingsley26
07-12-2007, 08:06 PM
Honestly Billingsley26 do you think before you write things!
Congradu****lations Canada has all of the "elite" football coaches. Considering I have never heard of any of the teams you mentioned I don't know how they would fair against Hoover High who ACTUALLY produces NCAA talent. **** Hoover even has its own TV show in the states. I'm pretty sure teams like Southlake Carroll and any highschool powerhouse would love to get behind and mount any team in Canada. If you think for one second that any football program in Canada is worth warm spit you are sadly mistaken. And anyways if your teams are so ****ing good with such top tier talent why don't all your Canadian universities start powerhouse football teams? That seems to be the theme of this thread... That Candian football talent is so ****ing good except all American football coaches hate Canadians and refuse to give them scholarships.

Then I notice you attack njx which is completely uncalled for. Honestly Billingsley, do you take into account that no one ****ing cares if Canadians have to pay lots of money to go to an AMERICAN university. Awww boohoo some Canadian football player can't get a scholarship to play at a big time American program. WAHHHHHH. So now "all Americans are racist against Canadian football players and it isn't because they suck, it is because they simply are from Canada." **** they don't even look different.

Get over it Canada. You have inferior football talent. Stop ****ing and complaining and stop insulting people that actually know what they are talking about. Send all of your players to the CFL where they will stay and get to play with the undrafted Americans coming out of college


WOW! VY10, I have lost all respect I ever had for you!!!! You are arguing and being a big baby over something that wasnt even brought up in this arguement between myself and njx9. We were arguing over different opportunities one could have, and he brought up the fact of walking on to a team but......enough of you. Honestly like etk said, this is ignorance at its FINEST! Im done talking about this with you, read all the posts and udnerstand.

Oh BTW, its very understandable that you dont know who St. Mikes, or St. Andrews or Lorne Park are.....YOU LIVE 5000 MILES AWAY YOU DUMBASS!

VY10
07-12-2007, 08:34 PM
WOW! VY10, I have lost all respect I ever had for you!!!! You are arguing and being a big baby over something that wasnt even brought up in this arguement between myself and njx9. We were arguing over different opportunities one could have, and he brought up the fact of walking on to a team but......enough of you. Honestly like etk said, this is ignorance at its FINEST! Im done talking about this with you, read all the posts and udnerstand.

Oh BTW, its very understandable that you dont know who St. Mikes, or St. Andrews or Lorne Park are.....YOU LIVE 5000 MILES AWAY YOU DUMBASS!

I don't understand. That is the problem. If you don't get a scholarship you can't complain. If you don't live in our country you can't complain how expensive our colleges are. If talent is good, coaches will come. Enough said. However, talent is not good. I'm sure your top notch athletes play hockey instead. Canada has its own colleges for a reason and that is to educate the masses of Canadians and these colleges have athletics to allow Canadians to play sports.

Billingsley26
07-12-2007, 08:43 PM
I don't understand. That is the problem. If you don't get a scholarship you can't complain. If you don't live in our country you can't complain how expensive our colleges are. If talent is good, coaches will come. Enough said. However, talent is not good. I'm sure your top notch athletes play hockey instead. Canada has its own colleges for a reason and that is to educate the masses of Canadians and these colleges have athletics to allow Canadians to play sports.

1st. Sorry for snapping on you like that and calling you a dumbass. Didnt mean it.

2nd. I understand what your saying. But like I said Ive been to a camp in which a coach came up to me during drills and began talking to me. He asked me where I went to school. I said St. Francis Xavier, he said from where, I said Toronto. And he walked away. Obviously he saw something he liked in me enough to come and talk, but to walk away immediately after I said I was from Toronto was unheard of. That is the point were trying to make. Canadian have a much higher ceiling, and are just as good athletes as Americans.

VY10
07-12-2007, 08:43 PM
The two of you simply don't understand the concept of the Canadian athlete wanting to attend American university on a full scholarship. It's quite simple actually: full scholarship! Canadian universities can only give up to about $3000 "bursary" to incoming athletes, and that hinges on an 80+ average in Grade 12 and maintaining a 70 in university. Canadians strive to play in the US because they can get a free education and play on the highest level, does that not make sense? Walking onto a team defeats the purpose because American tuition is far more expensive and you don't even get the small amount that Canadian schools offer, you get $0. Many of these players I mentioned would walk on at a university with the confidence and expectation of earning a scholarship, however they can't even afford that initial year of paying.

No I understand the concept. I am however anti-complaining about how expensive OUT OF COUNTRY colleges are. We(AMERICANS) pay taxes for these public schools and private ones are already expensive. I have no sympathy for someone out of the country that can't afford to come to our colleges that are provided to educate our population. Get over it! It is complete ignorance to be making this argument because the colleges weren't established for Canadians in the first place. Canada has its own colleges. If you aren't good enough at football, go there.

VY10
07-12-2007, 08:45 PM
1st. Sorry for snapping on you like that and calling you a dumbass. Didnt mean it.

2nd. I understand what your saying. But like I said Ive been to a camp in which a coach came up to me during drills and began talking to me. He asked me where I went to school. I said St. Francis Xavier, he said from where, I said Toronto. And he walked away. Obviously he saw something he liked in me enough to come and talk, but to walk away immediately after I said I was from Toronto was unheard of. That is the point were trying to make. Canadian have a much higher ceiling, and are just as good athletes as Americans.

OK now we have some eye-witness proof. I can understand that. I also understand that there are good Canadian athletes (I am under the impression most choose to play hockey.)

etk
07-12-2007, 08:47 PM
I don't understand. That is the problem. If you don't get a scholarship you can't complain. If you don't live in our country you can't complain how expensive our colleges are. If talent is good, coaches will come. Enough said. However, talent is not good. I'm sure your top notch athletes play hockey instead. Canada has its own colleges for a reason and that is to educate the masses of Canadians and these colleges have athletics to allow Canadians to play sports.

You are a big steaming pot of ignorance. I guess rednecks ran out of people to insult for religion, race and sexual orientation, so now you have to settle for bashing people based on where they're from, even though you don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about. Typical redneck Texan making generalizations about Canadians based on overused American misconceptions. It's a tired act.

Your last sentence proves your ignorance towards Canadians, as you claim that our "colleges" are there to educate the masses of Canadians and allow them to play sports. Problem is, most Canadian students attend university and very few colleges have extensive athletic programs here.

etk
07-12-2007, 08:47 PM
1st. Sorry for snapping on you like that and calling you a dumbass. Didnt mean it.

2nd. I understand what your saying. But like I said Ive been to a camp in which a coach came up to me during drills and began talking to me. He asked me where I went to school. I said St. Francis Xavier, he said from where, I said Toronto. And he walked away. Obviously he saw something he liked in me enough to come and talk, but to walk away immediately after I said I was from Toronto was unheard of. That is the point were trying to make. Canadian have a much higher ceiling, and are just as good athletes as Americans.

Do you know Evan Petrie?

Billingsley26
07-12-2007, 08:49 PM
You are a big steaming pot of ignorance. I guess rednecks ran out of people to insult for religion, race and sexual orientation, so now you have to settle for bashing people based on where they're from, even though you don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about. Typical redneck Texan making generalizations about Canadians based on overused American misconceptions. It's a tired act.

Your last sentence proves your ignorance towards Canadians, as you claim that our "colleges" are there to educate the masses of Canadians and allow them to play sports. Problem is, most Canadian students attend university and very few colleges have extensive athletic programs here.

CHHEEAA!!! Actualyl etk, I think that colleges only have basketball and volleyball as their sports. Could be wrong but that is what I believe. BTW. Gamerama has it in...were you able to pick it up??

etk
07-12-2007, 08:51 PM
No I understand the concept. I am however anti-complaining about how expensive OUT OF COUNTRY colleges are. We(AMERICANS) pay taxes for these public schools and private ones are already expensive. I have no sympathy for someone out of the country that can't afford to come to our colleges that are provided to educate our population. Get over it! It is complete ignorance to be making this argument because the colleges weren't established for Canadians in the first place. Canada has its own colleges. If you aren't good enough at football, go there.

Colleges are established to educate, period. Do professors distinguish between students based on what country they're from? My friend from Mexico told me that 2/5 Mexicans goe to North America for post-secondary education. Is that a problem for you? I was under the impression that American colleges weren't Nazi territory and "aliens" were allowed to attend, but I guess I'm wrong. Sorry.

Billingsley26
07-12-2007, 08:51 PM
Do you know Evan Petrie?

SURE DO! Goes to my school. Hes a head case big time!!!!! But hes a very solid RB. Good speed and hes a very patient runner. Hes got power too, trust me. He is a retty good RB all around and if hes on his game Id say near the top in the league. However, it seemed pretty easy to knock him off his game as he unloads pretty easily. Still prepare for his best. Im sure he will bring it, hes a competitor.

etk
07-12-2007, 08:52 PM
CHHEEAA!!! Actualyl etk, I think that colleges only have basketball and volleyball as their sports. Could be wrong but that is what I believe. BTW. Gamerama has it in...were you able to pick it up??

LOL. ****. I went there at about 5:30 and they said they might get it in half-an-hour. I thought it was BS so I went home. ****. I'm going away this weekend so I won't get it until the legitimate release date, after we take on your old team on MNF.

etk
07-12-2007, 08:54 PM
SURE DO! Goes to my school. Hes a head case big time!!!!! But hes a very solid RB. Good speed and hes a very patient runner. Hes got power too, trust me. He is a retty good RB all around and if hes on his game Id say near the top in the league. However, it seemed pretty easy to knock him off his game as he unloads pretty easily. Still prepare for his best. Im sure he will bring it, hes a competitor.

He's not their starter, Terrick Defour is. I know Evan from Camp Olympia, he was a funny kid, but at that point he just joked around a lot. I didn't think he'd turn into a head case. I don't believe your "power" statement, he can't be taller than 5'9 and heavier than 170 by now. He's a good athlete, though, and I hope he gets lots of touches. I'll mess with his head a bit :)

Billingsley26
07-12-2007, 08:56 PM
OK now we have some eye-witness proof. I can understand that. I also understand that there are good Canadian athletes (I am under the impression most choose to play hockey.)

Yea, Im gonna have to agree with etk on this one. That was very redneck of you to say that.

For the population of Canada, we have a great deal of our population playing football. In Mississauga alone (the city I live in) there are roughly 700,000 people here, and there are 23 high schools that have football. Thats pretty good for us. Not to mention the province of Ontario has a league called the Ontario Varsity Football League www.ovfootball.ca, there are 24 teams from across the province. Great league. I play for the Brampton Bulldogs, etk for the Metro Toronto Wildcats, and there is talent oozing out of this league. Almost anyone who gets a scholorship from Ontario is from this league. There is a great deal of football going on. Not to mention Team Ontario. There are actually 3 team Ontarios-west, central and east (at least when I played) for the Under 17's and only one team for the Under 19's. There is the Northern Football Conference, semi-pro league, as well as the Canadian Junior Football League from all across the country. Football is a lot bigger here than you think.

VY10
07-12-2007, 08:58 PM
You are a big steaming pot of ignorance. I guess rednecks ran out of people to insult for religion, race and sexual orientation, so now you have to settle for bashing people based on where they're from, even though you don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about. Typical redneck Texan making generalizations about Canadians based on overused American misconceptions. It's a tired act.

Your last sentence proves your ignorance towards Canadians, as you claim that our "colleges" are there to educate the masses of Canadians and allow them to play sports. Problem is, most Canadian students attend university and very few colleges have extensive athletic programs here.

Sorry duuuuude. I'm basing all my arguments off the fact that if I was a college football coach and I saw a talented player I wouldn't care if he was from Antarctica, China, Japan, Canada, or wherever. Obviously my assumption is that Canadian football talent can not be that high if they aren't recruited heavily. I am all for talented Canadians attending American universities and increasing the intellectual, artistic, and athletic programs at the university. I am however not for Canadians complaining how expensive it is if they cannot receive a scholarship - thus the go to a college in Canada.

Billingsley26
07-12-2007, 09:01 PM
He's not their starter, Terrick Defour is. I know Evan from Camp Olympia, he was a funny kid, but at that point he just joked around a lot. I didn't think he'd turn into a head case. I don't believe your "power" statement, he can't be taller than 5'9 and heavier than 170 by now. He's a good athlete, though, and I hope he gets lots of touches. I'll mess with his head a bit :)

HAHAH, I used to go to Camp Olympia. Is Dave Grace still the owner? I went for two years before getting in a fight and not being invited back, lol. I went for baseball, football and water sports. Call me crazy, but water sports looked rediculously fun the first time i went so I had to try it. Im pretty sure Evan and Terrick split time. Evan like I said, or maybe not, has pretty good power for his size. He can get low and drop the shoulder, but the thing I like about him is his patience. Hes very quick to the outside. But like I said he cant get nutty. Terrick is more power tho, I remember him always dropping his shoulder. Hes tough, look out for him. Be ready for both. BTW, Blair Smith is CRAP! they will not throw the ball, he will only run it.

EDIT- Evan actually got kicked off the junior team at our highschool for pulling a stunt like Marcus Vick did on Elvis Dumerville, except the kids helmet was off and it was on the kids face. Just thought I should put that in there.

etk
07-12-2007, 09:03 PM
Sorry duuuuude. I'm basing all my arguments off the fact that if I was a college football coach and I saw a talented player I wouldn't care if he was from Antarctica, China, Japan, Canada, or wherever. Obviously my assumption is that Canadian football talent can not be that high if they aren't recruited heavily. I am all for talented Canadians attending American universities and increasing the intellectual, artistic, and athletic programs at the university. I am however not for Canadians complaining how expensive it is if they cannot receive a scholarship - thus the go to a college in Canada.

hmm...that is a fair argument and assumption. That's the way it should be, but frankly it's more complicated than that for some odd reason. Once again I encourage you to look up videos of guys like Matt Adetuyi, Mike Mizerski & Ricky Clarke.

etk
07-12-2007, 09:06 PM
HAHAH, I used to go to Camp Olympia. Is Dave Grace still the owner? I went for two years before getting in a fight and not being invited back, lol. I went for baseball, football and water sports. Call me crazy, but water sports looked rediculously fun the first time i went so I had to try it. Im pretty sure Evan and Terrick split time. Evan like I said, or maybe not, has pretty good power for his size. He can get low and drop the shoulder, but the thing I like about him is his patience. Hes very quick to the outside. But like I said he cant get nutty. Terrick is more power tho, I remember him always dropping his shoulder. Hes tough, look out for him. Be ready for both. BTW, Blair Smith is CRAP! they will not throw the ball, he will only run it.

Blair Smith was their WR last year and I remember jacking him up on the sideline, lol. Terrick also is patient and likes to run off-tackle and cut to the outside at the last second. It'll be tough for me to suck up my pride, trust my teammates and not over-commit to the inside trying to be a hero. They basically run 3 plays as their bread-and-butter, so all we have to is shut those down. I'm very confident in our defense this week.

Edit: Water sports was only good because of the hot 14 year-olds in bikinis (I was 13 back then so it's legit).

Billingsley26
07-12-2007, 09:07 PM
Check out Courtney Stephen, Appolo Charlton, Jermain LEwis-Parris, you'll see how good these kids really are. Trust me, just go to youtube and try it out. Actually here is the link.

http://youtube.com/results?search_query=brampton+bulldogs&search=Search

Billingsley26
07-12-2007, 09:10 PM
Blair Smith was their WR last year and I remember jacking him up on the sideline, lol. Terrick also is patient and likes to run off-tackle and cut to the outside at the last second. It'll be tough for me to suck up my pride, trust my teammates and not over-commit to the inside trying to be a hero. They basically run 3 plays as their bread-and-butter, so all we have to is shut those down. I'm very confident in our defense this week.

Edit: Water sports was only good because of the hot 14 year-olds in bikinis (I was 13 back then so it's legit).

Ya the JV Warriors are a very basic team. I know the OC, and he likes to go with certain plays all the time. Trust me. He'll go toss left, then right, then left then right again. Or off tackle right, then left, then right again. Seriously. It aint hard to stop.

Yea trust me about watersports. I went when I was grade 7 and 8 i think, or 8 and 9.

VY10
07-12-2007, 09:13 PM
Yea, Im gonna have to agree with etk on this one. That was very redneck of you to say that.

For the population of Canada, we have a great deal of our population playing football. In Mississauga alone (the city I live in) there are roughly 700,000 people here, and there are 23 high schools that have football. Thats pretty good for us. Not to mention the province of Ontario has a league called the Ontario Varsity Football League www.ovfootball.ca, there are 24 teams from across the province. Great league. I play for the Brampton Bulldogs, etk for the Metro Toronto Wildcats, and there is talent oozing out of this league. Almost anyone who gets a scholorship from Ontario is from this league. There is a great deal of football going on. Not to mention Team Ontario. There are actually 3 team Ontarios-west, central and east (at least when I played) for the Under 17's and only one team for the Under 19's. There is the Northern Football Conference, semi-pro league, as well as the Canadian Junior Football League from all across the country. Football is a lot bigger here than you think.

Yes. There is football. Hockey however seems to be the chief export of athletic talent along with other winter sports such as skiing and ice-skating from Canada. That is why I assume your top athletes play hockey.

http://www.chron.com/sports/highschool/

Go to this website. Under the blue line is "Find your team". Every single one of those (A couple exceptions) are schools with highschool football in just the "Houstonish" area. Not included are schools such as Odessa Permian (The Movie Friday Night Lights), Midland Lee, Southlake Carroll, etc. I.E. western Texas teams. I also believe that there are some Louisiana teams there though I am not sure.

http://texas.rivals.com/viewrank.asp?ra_key=1843

-I believe this is free but here you can see the texas top 100 according to rivals. 1-100 range from 5* to 3*, not even in the level of 2* yet.

With states like Texas, Florida, and California that are so deep in American talent the need to go and hunt for talent in Canada isn't necessary by big time programs. It is also more difficult. I don't doubt that there are a couple of good football players in Canada, there just aren't enough good football players in Canada to really receive any recruiting attention.

dabears10
07-12-2007, 09:19 PM
The Redbirds Center Jonathon St. Pierre of Quebec came way as of Miami. So apparently he was not good enough for Div. I.

etk
07-12-2007, 10:06 PM
With states like Texas, Florida, and California that are so deep in American talent the need to go and hunt for talent in Canada isn't necessary by big time programs. It is also more difficult. I don't doubt that there are a couple of good football players in Canada, there just aren't enough good football players in Canada to really receive any recruiting attention.

There's no doubt that the big-time programs can live without Canadians, lol. A lot of smaller schools that are trying to fight with the big boys should take some "risks" and offer scholarships to the exceptional Canadian prospects. If they can't recruit the best players from their state they should look no further than Canada, where there's plenty of blooming talent that would jump on any offer.

Wootylicous
07-12-2007, 10:13 PM
Two words...Renaldo Sagesse (He's a freak)

VY10
07-12-2007, 11:02 PM
There's no doubt that the big-time programs can live without Canadians, lol. A lot of smaller schools that are trying to fight with the big boys should take some "risks" and offer scholarships to the exceptional Canadian prospects. If they can't recruit the best players from their state they should look no further than Canada, where there's plenty of blooming talent that would jump on any offer.

That I can agree with.

Sniper
07-12-2007, 11:19 PM
Two words...Renaldo Sagesse (He's a freak)

Really? What can you tell me about him besides his measurables? Is he that good?

Wootylicous
07-12-2007, 11:31 PM
Really? What can you tell me about him besides his measurables? Is he that good?

I have played against and with him. He is fast, quick and athletic for his size and he's was a stud in Vieux-Montréal for like 4 years. Hopefully he'll dominate like he did here.

Sniper
07-12-2007, 11:42 PM
I have played against and with him. He is fast, quick and athletic for his size and he's was a stud in Vieux-Montréal for like 4 years. Hopefully he'll dominate like he did here.

He's a DT right? Not a DE? Is he a good run stuffer or more of a pass rusher? Can he make us Michigan fans forget Alan Branch? ;) Where you from by the way?

etk
07-13-2007, 05:05 AM
He's a DT right? Not a DE? Is he a good run stuffer or more of a pass rusher? Can he make us Michigan fans forget Alan Branch? ;) Where you from by the way?

J'Michael Deane & MSU are coming for you...

Sniper
07-13-2007, 05:31 AM
J'Michael Deane & MSU are coming for you...

From the Big 10 cellar?

etk
07-13-2007, 07:03 AM
From the Big 10 cellar?

lol, I just had to mention the beast from MTW since we were talking about massive freakish Canadian Dlinemen.

Billingsley26
07-13-2007, 09:52 AM
All I got is Robert Pavlovic and Gurminder Thind both from the Warriors. Ive got Jerome Messam, Jamal Westerman and another guy, cant exactly recall his name but he was from Brampton, and played at Michigan, a DE, also played with the Seahawks. Something Kashama maybe.

Wootylicous
07-13-2007, 09:55 AM
He's a DT right? Not a DE? Is he a good run stuffer or more of a pass rusher? Can he make us Michigan fans forget Alan Branch? ;) Where you from by the way?

He's a DT/DE. He's a good run stuffer with a lot of pass rusher talent. I think he can develop into a really good DT. He'll probably not play his first year but watch him the second year. I'm from Montreal ;)

Sniper
07-13-2007, 11:17 AM
He's a DT/DE. He's a good run stuffer with a lot of pass rusher talent. I think he can develop into a really good DT. He'll probably not play his first year but watch him the second year. I'm from Montreal ;)

Thanks for the info. Where in Montreal? I used to live on the West Island, sadly not anymore.

Wootylicous
07-13-2007, 11:26 AM
Thanks for the info. Where in Montreal? I used to live on the West Island, sadly not anymore.

I live near the Mont-Royal

Da Big Harv
07-13-2007, 04:26 PM
I think the bottem line is that there is some talent in canada to be found and a a few more kids should go D1a every year than the amount that are going yearly now but, at the same time if you look at the universities individually. The highly ranked schools almost all have a good recruiting base of states which reloads them every year and they have no need to waste their time going up north to find talent when they could find similar talent in their own backyard whichout putting out too much effort.

The Mid Major schools say a school like Tulsa, Tulane, or Cincinnati dont always have as many resources and money as the highly funded football programs such as a USC Miami or Michigan and do their best to recruit a wide range of states thought and get the odd Canadian recruit.

I do agree that some schools could do a much better job recruiting Canadian talent because their are plently of very talented potential recruits that all a school close to the border such as Boston College or Washington St. would have to do to get a kid would be give him a call based on his combine numbers with a scholarship offer and they would be guaranteed to get him instead of going after the same talent level recruits other BCS schools are going after and losing out on them and going after 2 stars instead

Da Big Harv
07-13-2007, 04:49 PM
***Canada is give them a call wish a scholorship offer and any Canadian would bite all over that, instead of what their doing which is going after all the big fish recruits that the powerhouse schools are snatching up and they end up settling for 2 stars and such instead of being able to easily have gotten a much more talented kid from Canada without much effort or money.