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devinhester=R.O.Y 2006
07-11-2007, 03:00 PM
This is apparently the punishment for the Rhett Bomar scandal.

OKLAHOMA CITY -- The Oklahoma football program must vacate its wins from the 2005 season and will lose two scholarships for the 2008-09 and 2009-10 school years.


The penalties, announced Wednesday by the NCAA, stem from a case involving two players, including the Sooners' starting quarterback, who were kicked off the team for being paid for work they had not performed at a Norman car dealership.


The Sooners went 8-4 and beat Oregon in the Holiday Bowl to end the 2005 season. Records from that season involving quarterback Rhett Bomar and offensive lineman J.D. Quinn must be vacated, the NCAA said, and coach Bob Stoops' career record will be amended to reflect the vacated wins, dropping it from 86-19 in eight seasons to 78-19.


Oklahoma also will have two years of probation added to an earlier penalty, extending the Sooners' probation to May 23, 2010.


Those sanctions are in addition to those already self-imposed by Oklahoma, which has banned athletes from working at the car dealership until at least the 2008-09 academic year and has moved to prevent the athletes' supervisor at the dealership, Brad McRae, from being involved with the university's athletics program until at least August 2011.


Oklahoma also will reduce the number of football coaches who are allowed to recruit off campus this fall. The Sooners also dismissed Bomar, Quinn and walk-on Jermaine Hardison from the team.


"Although this case centered on a few violations involving three student-athletes, the committee finds this case to be significant and serious for several reasons," the NCAA report said, noting the length of time of the violations and the fact that Oklahoma had appeared before the committee in April 2006 regarding violations in its men's basketball program.


On Aug. 3, the day before the Sooners began preseason practice, Stoops dismissed Bomar and Quinn from the team after the university determined they had been paid for work not performed at Big Red Sports and Imports. That led to a subsequent NCAA investigation.


The committee found that Oklahoma "demonstrated a failure to monitor" the employment of several athletes, including some football players who worked during the academic year. The NCAA said that failure led to the university not detecting NCAA rules violations.


During the investigation, the university disputed that allegation, arguing that the NCAA should applaud, not penalize, its efforts to root out violations and noted that NCAA president Myles Brand told one news outlet that the university "acted with integrity in taking swift and decisive action" in the case.


Both Bomar and Quinn lost a season of eligibility. Bomar has been ordered by the NCAA to pay back more than $7,400 in extra benefits to charity, while Quinn was told to pay back more than $8,100. Both players transferred to Division I-AA schools -- Bomar to Sam Houston State and Quinn to Montana -- where they can resume their careers this season.


Oklahoma officials also appeared before the Committee on Infractions in April 2006 following an investigation into hundreds of improper recruiting phone calls by former basketball coach Kelvin Sampson's staff.


Oklahoma escaped major sanctions in that case, as the NCAA Committee on Infractions found the university guilty of a "failure to monitor," a less severe ruling than "lack of institutional control," which had been recommended by the NCAA's enforcement staff.


The committee moved Oklahoma's self-imposed probation so it would begin in May 2006 and end in May 2008. The NCAA also issued a public reprimand and censure but otherwise accepted the university's self-imposed sanctions, which included reductions in scholarships, recruiting calls and trips and visits to the school by prospective recruits.

BigJohn98
07-11-2007, 03:52 PM
Mr. Bush and USC should be next.

devinhester=R.O.Y 2006
07-11-2007, 04:16 PM
Mr. Bush and USC should be next.

Don't you really think they will get USC for the Bush things?

Acreboy
07-11-2007, 04:22 PM
No Bush and USC are safe.

keylime_5
07-11-2007, 04:27 PM
But they shouldn't be. USC got away with that one unjustly.
Not that it really matters much, who really cares if your team's wins from a mediocre season are erased? It's not like OU won anything that year. USC however won 1.5 national championships with Bush.

Jericho@SC
07-11-2007, 04:32 PM
Retroactively forfeiting games is stupid. Everyone knows who won those games. Teams that lost to Oklahoma that year can't now start bragging how they "beat" them.

bwillie26
07-11-2007, 05:28 PM
Basically, Oklahoma got squat done to them.

-black
07-11-2007, 05:43 PM
interesting.....

elway777
07-11-2007, 05:45 PM
Mr. Bush and USC should be next.


USC wasn't involved in the Bush case though.

Woody56
07-11-2007, 06:04 PM
they should get the USC and Auburn teams back together to really determine the NC (like it should have been in the first place)

TouchdownUSC
07-11-2007, 08:44 PM
wait im confused...oklahoma had their season erased because of Rhett Bomar? i thought OU didnt know and when they found out Bob Stoops submitted him to NCAA for violations and kicked him off the team? did i hear that wrong or did OU try to sweep it under the rug and got caught?

Acreboy
07-11-2007, 08:56 PM
USC wasn't involved in the Bush case though.He was on the phone with McKnight. That was definitely a freudian slip he had while he committed .

draftguru151
07-11-2007, 09:19 PM
I'm kinda confused. I'm not really 100% sure about either cases, but did something happen so OSU with their problems, and what's the difference between what OSU did and what OU did?

Acreboy
07-11-2007, 09:41 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/si_blogs/football/ncaa/2007/07/sooners-punished-what-about-usc.html

elway777
07-11-2007, 09:44 PM
He was on the phone with McKnight. That was definitely a freudian slip he had while he committed .


Thought you meant the house case. The punishment for that case won't hurt SC either in the end.

Acreboy
07-11-2007, 09:49 PM
Thought you meant the house case. The punishment for that case won't hurt SC either in the end.Well, it's possible Carroll knew about it.

TouchdownUSC
07-11-2007, 09:53 PM
Well, it's possible Carroll knew about it.

i really doubt pete carrol knew about Bush's house situation

badgerbacker
07-11-2007, 10:01 PM
wait im confused...oklahoma had their season erased because of Rhett Bomar? i thought OU didnt know and when they found out Bob Stoops submitted him to NCAA for violations and kicked him off the team? did i hear that wrong or did OU try to sweep it under the rug and got caught?
You are absolutely right in what happened. They are being punished for not monitering close enough.

sodar21
07-11-2007, 11:07 PM
What happens with USC in terms of Bush-house and Jarrett-apartment?

LonghornsLegend
07-11-2007, 11:27 PM
well, its not as if that was a year they won the big 12, or a NC...then it be a huge story as they would have to hand back those awards, the probation probably hurts, but its only a few scholarships a year...


either way has to suck, i for one know id be pissed if we had to forfeit our games for ramonce taylor acting an ass....


but with USC, its a little more serious...they won alot more accolades, wonder how that will pan out

VY10
07-11-2007, 11:55 PM
.... again. "Oklahoma football. The best Texans money can buy!" Luckily for stoops he kicked bomar and that O-Lineman off the team or they would have gotten worse. Still this is proof that no one wants the death penalty to ever happen again. They got off pretty easy.

Sniper
07-12-2007, 12:03 AM
.... again. "Oklahoma football. The best Texans money can buy!" Luckily for stoops he kicked bomar and that O-Lineman off the team or they would have gotten worse. Still this is proof that no one wants the death penalty to ever happen again. They got off pretty easy.

I'm thinking the fact that he booted them when he found out about it may have something do with it.

SuperKevin
07-12-2007, 04:25 AM
Two words: Big deal. Think Bob Stoops is going to cry over those lost wins? If he does he has a crap load of money to wipe away those tears

TouchdownUSC
07-12-2007, 09:03 AM
yeah, but i hate to see teams punished for stupid players. i think it was enough OU lost their starting QB before the start of the season. its not like he (stoops) tried to pull a fast one and hide it...

Canadian_kid16
07-12-2007, 10:46 AM
.... again. "Oklahoma football. The best Texans money can buy!" Luckily for stoops he kicked bomar and that O-Lineman off the team or they would have gotten worse. Still this is proof that no one wants the death penalty to ever happen again. They got off pretty easy.

k, question for all you guys. I have heard about the SMU death penalty quite a bit, but I have never been able to find how it happened and what happened, anyone care to shed some light on it??

P-L
07-12-2007, 11:21 AM
.... again. "Oklahoma football. The best Texans money can buy!" Luckily for stoops he kicked bomar and that O-Lineman off the team or they would have gotten worse. Still this is proof that no one wants the death penalty to ever happen again. They got off pretty easy.
I'm guessing you're a Texas fan. They didn't get off pretty easy. They got a pretty harsh punishment. It's not like Oklahoma knew this was going on. What Bomar and Quinn did was without the University's knowledge. Losing four scholarships over the next two years and having to forfeit a season's worth of games and a Bowl game is bit ridiculous for something that two players did. Punishing the entire football program like that is a bit much, especially considering that Stoops already removed the problems from the team.

mqtirishfan
07-12-2007, 11:23 AM
k, question for all you guys. I have heard about the SMU death penalty quite a bit, but I have never been able to find how it happened and what happened, anyone care to shed some light on it??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_penalty_(NCAA)

Canadian_kid16
07-12-2007, 11:26 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_penalty_(NCAA)

thanks alot, that was harsh for SMU, but they were pretty idiotic in doign that

mqtirishfan
07-12-2007, 11:31 AM
I'm guessing you're a Texas fan. They didn't get off pretty easy. They got a pretty harsh punishment. It's not like Oklahoma knew this was going on. What Bomar and Quinn did was without the University's knowledge. Losing four scholarships over the next two years and having to forfeit a season's worth of games and a Bowl game is bit ridiculous for something that two players did. Punishing the entire football program like that is a bit much, especially considering that Stoops already removed the problems from the team.

The only thing that hurts them is the loss of 4 scholarships. It's not like anybody really cares how many wins the '04 Sooners had. It's a slap on the wrist, plain and simple. The NCAA could have done far, far worse to the Sooners than vacating 8 wins from an average season. So what if the history books will now show 0 wins in a season? The players still know that they won those games, and it isn't like their lives are going to change at all. It's a completely meaningless punishment.

Geomar
07-13-2007, 10:14 AM
But they shouldn't be. USC got away with that one unjustly.
Not that it really matters much, who really cares if your team's wins from a mediocre season are erased? It's not like OU won anything that year. USC however won 1.5 national championships with Bush.

correction 2.5
2004=WON
2005=WON
2006=LOST

energizerbunny
07-25-2007, 09:53 AM
2004 was a split championship, LSU actaully won the NC that year.

So it actually was 1.5

Iamcanadian
07-25-2007, 10:26 AM
2004 was a split championship, LSU actaully won the NC that year.

So it actually was 1.5

I'd go with 2. They slit the NC that year and probably deserved it outright. Just another BCS screwup.