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LarryJohnson27
07-11-2007, 05:41 PM
Please answer. This is for a speech I have to give, so the more that vote the better.

devinhester=R.O.Y 2006
07-11-2007, 05:47 PM
I would love to see a playoff, but it will never happen. The bowl games generate millions of dollars in revenue for the schools. A playoff system would take away from the money the schools could earn. So coaches may be for a playoff, but administrators are for making money.

HoopsDemon12
07-11-2007, 05:57 PM
We have a playoff in canada... but i tell you it does work grea.t. the teams that deserve to be there.. are there every year.. but NCAA would not be as exciting.. the controversy and wait to see who is playing where is part of what makes it exciting IMO

neko4
07-13-2007, 12:25 PM
Its not like the playoff games could be sponsered, they can still make money off them, and why not have both

princefielder28
07-13-2007, 03:37 PM
Plaoff b/c BCS is flat out BS

keylime_5
07-13-2007, 04:06 PM
They should have a 4 team playoff. Too many games would be a horrible idea. College football is not about a 16 game season, and the best thing about CFB is that every game matters unlike in other sports where if you lose then no big deal. That's why CFB is the best.

I am pro playoff, but if they did have one then USC, Ohio State, LSU, Texas, and Florida would always win the title every year.

BigJohn98
07-13-2007, 04:34 PM
BCS. I DO NOT want to see college football turned into the NFL by installing a playoff.

HoopsDemon12
07-13-2007, 04:43 PM
BCS. I DO NOT want to see college football turned into the NFL by installing a playoff.

just because it has a play off system doesnt make it the NFL... maybe the CIS

Da Big Harv
07-13-2007, 04:44 PM
It has been discussed and debated a lot on this board and people have put forth a lot of reasons why a playoff wouldnt work but, its to the point now where the BCS is screwing up on a yearly basis it seems and theres always a team that gets screwed over a major bowl or the Championship game. They could find a way to work out a playoff such as eliminating a game or two from the season at the end of the year.

I Don't think it will change anytime soon thought because the bowl games have been around as long as anyone on this boards been alive and theres so much tradition and contreversy when it will come up to change the current format

HoopsDemon12
07-13-2007, 04:47 PM
But i mean come on guys... tell me that the controversy and when teams get shafted and who is gonan be picked to play where... isnt entertaining... it help[s keep college boards alive.. its fun...

Brent
07-13-2007, 04:52 PM
But i mean come on guys... tell me that the controversy and when teams get shafted and who is gonan be picked to play where... isnt entertaining... it help[s keep college boards alive.. its fun...
It isn't fun if you're a student/fan/player on the team of that school that is getting shafted.

keylime_5
07-13-2007, 05:01 PM
The Bowls are great, but if they used the 2 of the big 4 bowls (rose, orange, sugar, fiesta) in a rotating basis as the national semifinals follwed the next week by a BCS NC game then it would be fine and no one would complain that they screwed up CFB. The bowl schedule would be no different, and the BCS NC is already a seperate game anyway that happens a week after all the other bowls. The only change would be that we'd have a more just way of finding the Nat'l Champ. Only 1 extra game for the 2 best teams too. Now what in the heck is wrong with that idea?

Here's what would've happened this past year in that scenario: #1 Ohio State would've played #4 LSU, #2 Florida would've played #3 Michigan. On 1/8/07 the winners of those games would've played in Glendale. (probably the same result -FLa over OSU, but at least UM and LSU would've gotten a shot).

HoopsDemon12
07-13-2007, 05:09 PM
It isn't fun if you're a student/fan/player on the team of that school that is getting shafted.

true that.. but you know thats a possibilty if your a top team in the NCAA so its not unexpected or something

dabears10
07-13-2007, 05:12 PM
true that.. but you know thats a possibilty if your a top team in the NCAA so its not unexpected or something

I believe the point of most of life is to improve things that are unsatisfying. So saying you should expect the system to be crap is not persuasive.

HoopsDemon12
07-13-2007, 05:17 PM
I believe the point of most of life is to improve things that are unsatisfying. So saying you should expect the system to be crap is not persuasive.

well im not saying its crap.. im just saying they should know if you dont decisevly all the way through the season and win the gaems you are supposed to.. that there is a good chance you will be passed over in the rankings... albeit when a 12-0 teams gets shafted that hurts pretty hard... but they(colleges and tv stations) are raking in the money right now and i dont think they would change the way they are making money.. although a couple extra games would be helpfull

I dont know if a play off system would work in the NCAA though.. i know in canada we play someihtng like 10-11 games in the year.. then a championship game.. which is kind of like the qualifier... then a quarter...semi... and then a final.. tehn winner of the two finals play each other for our NC.. if i missed a small detail or made a littel mistake some canadian fan correct me please

Canadian_kid16
07-13-2007, 06:00 PM
The way Phil Steele's magazine suggests a playoff format sounds like a good idea...have every other playoff team in a bowl, but for teams with 1 loss or less in the top 5, have a 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3 type matchup...and the winners square off for the NC...those games could still be sponsered, and it would generate one more game of revenue for the two top schools. PLus, the NC game could be during the off-wek before the Super Bowl

Its a very smart plan IMO

HoopsDemon12
07-13-2007, 06:10 PM
The way Phil Steele's magazine suggests a playoff format sounds like a good idea...have every other playoff team in a bowl, but for teams with 1 loss or less in the top 5, have a 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3 type matchup...and the winners square off for the NC...those games could still be sponsered, and it would generate one more game of revenue for the two top schools. PLus, the NC game could be during the off-wek before the Super Bowl

Its a very smart plan IMO

that would be great.. because i get so bored in that week in the middle... nothing to do but speculate and that gets boring

keylime_5
07-13-2007, 07:56 PM
Nah, I think what I said is better than Phil's proposition.

-black
07-13-2007, 08:18 PM
the only playoff stystem I would be ok with is the one proposed by Phil Steele

simms2clayton
07-13-2007, 08:50 PM
With a playoff, the regular season loses so much importance in NCAAF...in fact I am going on the record as saying we have a playoff called the regular season.

College football is great just the way it is. Look at college footballs regular season vs. college basketballs and tell me which one is better.

BamaFalcon59
07-13-2007, 09:21 PM
With a playoff, the regular season loses so much importance in NCAAF...in fact I am going on the record as saying we have a playoff called the regular season.

College football is great just the way it is. Look at college footballs regular season vs. college basketballs and tell me which one is better.

Very true, but there are some big differences. A ton of teams get into the NCAA Basketball playoff. There is almost no suspense unless you follow a small school. Top teams on a 'down' season still make the playoffs with ease. In a football playoff only 4 (and a maximum 8) would make the cut.

keylime_5
07-13-2007, 09:55 PM
the only playoff stystem I would be ok with is the one proposed by Phil Steele

Too long of a season. The CFB year can't go past Jan. 10th or so otherwise it's too stretched out. They should just have the top 4 BCS teams square off in bowl matchups (1/4, 2/3) and the winners play Jan. 8th in the NC game. Zero extra games from what they already have, yet a clear cut n.champ with no real controversy. It doesn't make any games meaningless during the reg. season either.

jbeans187
07-13-2007, 11:45 PM
Every year before and after the bowl teams are decided that is all that is talked about on sports stations. The ncaa would lose a ton of publicity, but a playoff would be fair

Iamcanadian
07-14-2007, 07:27 AM
Your never going to see a playoff format in college football. It is all about money and the colleges know that while a 4 or 8 team playoff might generate millions, it would destroy the value of the other 20 or so Bowl games. There would be so much hype for the playoff games that the other Bowl games would go the way of the NIT in basketball. Without the revenues from the other 20 Bowls, half the NCAA schools playing football would have to give up playing. Money has become GOD in college football and nobody is going to rock that world for a playoff system. NEVER going to see it.

simms2clayton
07-14-2007, 08:14 AM
Your never going to see a playoff format in college football. It is all about money and the colleges know that while a 4 or 8 team playoff might generate millions, it would destroy the value of the other 20 or so Bowl games. There would be so much hype for the playoff games that the other Bowl games would go the way of the NIT in basketball. Without the revenues from the other 20 Bowls, half the NCAA schools playing football would have to give up playing. Money has become GOD in college football and nobody is going to rock that world for a playoff system. NEVER going to see it.

It's not all about money.

How about giving something to other than just 4 teams in college football?

keylime_5
07-14-2007, 10:05 AM
As opposed to just 2? Seriously, if they use that format I stated, then I don't see how the other meaningless bowls would become any more or less meaningless. The regular season has the same importance too. After the current BCS contract runs out, I bet you that they will have some kinda of small playoff.

UCFNoleFan
07-16-2007, 08:29 AM
With a playoff, the regular season loses so much importance in NCAAF...in fact I am going on the record as saying we have a playoff called the regular season.

College football is great just the way it is. Look at college footballs regular season vs. college basketballs and tell me which one is better.

The way it is now, the regular season only matters if there are exactly two undefeated, BCS conference, big name teams. How much did Boise's regular season matter last year? How much did Auburn and Utah's matter in 04? The current system is plain garbage because unless you are one of two teams that go undefeated or get voted in by biased people, your regular season isn't worth crap.

Iamcanadian
07-16-2007, 08:52 AM
As opposed to just 2? Seriously, if they use that format I stated, then I don't see how the other meaningless bowls would become any more or less meaningless. The regular season has the same importance too. After the current BCS contract runs out, I bet you that they will have some kinda of small playoff.

You may think the other Bowl games are meaningless, but the vast majoritry of schools and conferences don't. They provide the money to keep the system working and without them college football would see most the the colleges give up the sport for lack of funds. It cost millions to keep a college program alive today and without the funds from all those meaningless Bowls, most schools would be out of business.
The NCAA isn't going to do anything to rock the hand that feeds it. Your stuck with a BCS system that is very flawed but that is all you are ever going to have, so you had better get used to it. The NCAA gave a carrot to the smaller schools to keep them quiet. They are never going to expand the playoff system unless they want complete economic chaios in college football. That my friend is why there is no playoff system today and why you won't see a playoff system in your lifetime

BrownsTown
07-16-2007, 10:30 AM
I'm trying to think of a way to include all the bowls in the playoff system. How about this.

Top 2 teams automatically get in. Then, the 3/6 teams and the 4/5 teams square off for a chance to play the top 2. That would be two of the big bowls, and then the 2nd round games would be the other two, followed by the BCS championship. Other teams can go do the other bowls.

Brent
07-16-2007, 12:42 PM
Leave all the other bowls but have a playoff between the top 8 BCS teams.

keylime_5
07-16-2007, 12:48 PM
You may think the other Bowl games are meaningless, but the vast majoritry of schools and conferences don't. They provide the money to keep the system working and without them college football would see most the the colleges give up the sport for lack of funds. It cost millions to keep a college program alive today and without the funds from all those meaningless Bowls, most schools would be out of business.
The NCAA isn't going to do anything to rock the hand that feeds it. Your stuck with a BCS system that is very flawed but that is all you are ever going to have, so you had better get used to it. The NCAA gave a carrot to the smaller schools to keep them quiet. They are never going to expand the playoff system unless they want complete economic chaios in college football. That my friend is why there is no playoff system today and why you won't see a playoff system in your lifetime


I'm not saying that they are meaningless and we should get rid of them. I'm saying that they are meaningless in regards to national championships and contenders. Keep the bowls, just make one extra game after the BCS bowls for the #1 and #2 teams. THere will be a playoff system for sure in the future, it's not gonna effect the money that much if you think about it if we do. The only difference is that 2 teams have 2 postseason games instead of 1.

keylime_5
07-16-2007, 12:50 PM
Leave all the other bowls but have a playoff between the top 8 BCS teams.

Top 8 is too many. That's 3 postseason games for 2 teams, which is either a 15 or 16 game season for them. That's far too many. Keep it to a 4 team playoff to be reasonable, this is college football not basketball, and not the NFL.

VY10
07-16-2007, 01:36 PM
Use BCS rankings to determine top 4. They have a playoff. All the other teams get regular bowl games.....why can't they just do that?

UCFNoleFan
07-16-2007, 02:05 PM
Top 8 is too many. That's 3 postseason games for 2 teams, which is either a 15 or 16 game season for them. That's far too many. Keep it to a 4 team playoff to be reasonable, this is college football not basketball, and not the NFL.

I would rather see an eight team playoff so that undefeated small conference teams actually have a shot at getting in. Who can say they wouldn't like to see Boise have had a shot at the title as the only undefeated team last year, which even if the top 4 BCS teams got in they would not have been one of them.

VY10
07-16-2007, 02:31 PM
This is way off and quite unrealistic but who thinks there needs to be a new conference formed for teams that got screwed out of the BCS conferences? Boise State, TCU, Houston, BYU, and Utah instantly come to mind. I think the best of the mid-majors or whatever you like to call them need to be put together to form a new conference. Then the winner gets a shot at a BCS game but probably not the NC.

keylime_5
07-16-2007, 05:03 PM
Use BCS rankings to determine top 4. They have a playoff. All the other teams get regular bowl games.....why can't they just do that?

That's exactly what we need to do. 4 is not too many or too few. I wish they'd just do that after the BCS contract runs out. It would be better for all parties I think. That way even if a team like WVU finishes top 4 then they still have a shot at the title even though the voters would never put them in the top 2...and in years like 2004 when Auburn, USC, and Oklahoma were all with 1 loss then we'd find out if Auburn was the best team instead of USC or not. Too much good would come from doing this.

MNRunLeft
07-19-2007, 05:40 PM
I think they should use a playoff system for the BCS teams and then just keep the other bowls as they are. Each of the BCS playoff games are played much like they are now rotating which bowls which rounds.

neko4
07-19-2007, 05:45 PM
That's exactly what we need to do. 4 is not too many or too few. I wish they'd just do that after the BCS contract runs out. It would be better for all parties I think. That way even if a team like WVU finishes top 4 then they still have a shot at the title even though the voters would never put them in the top 2...and in years like 2004 when Auburn, USC, and Oklahoma were all with 1 loss then we'd find out if Auburn was the best team instead of USC or not. Too much good would come from doing this.

I think they should use a playoff system for the BCS teams and then just keep the other bowls as they are. Each of the BCS playoff games are played much like they are now rotating which bowls which rounds.

My idea is like these two, the top 8 teams should be put in a playoff and the inital playoff games will be called the Rose, Orange, Sugar and Fiesta Playoff Games

mittelstaedt2007
07-21-2007, 08:28 PM
About a week ago on ESPN"s First Take, there was a report of a looming change to a plus one system, ie 4 team tourney. The only major opposition was from the Rose Bowl committee, the Big 10, and the Pac 10 as the Rose has a seperate tv contract and sponsorships. The earliest of a possible chance for a playoff would be in 2011, once the ABC contract runs out for the Rose Bowl, and the BCS contract. I'm hoping and praying for a playoff, even if it means waiting till '11, but it would finally determine a champ ON THE FIELD.

LonghornsLegend
07-22-2007, 02:12 AM
you really only need to include top 4, usuallys its two dominant teams, with maybe one outside team, and a smaller school undefeated, that make it interesting...the others could have bowls still, just be a playoff with those 4, bracket them 1-4, and winners play in the NC

VY10
07-22-2007, 11:33 PM
you really only need to include top 4, usuallys its two dominant teams, with maybe one outside team, and a smaller school undefeated, that make it interesting...the others could have bowls still, just be a playoff with those 4, bracket them 1-4, and winners play in the NC

I agree. I would have made it look like this for the bracket. I say no 2 teams from the same conference should be allowed in. (Thus LSU and Michigan being left out.)

Florida vs. Boise State

Ohio State vs. Southern Cal (Or Louisville.)

And really who wouldn't want to watch these games.

22,895
07-23-2007, 10:04 AM
Probably the Playoff System. Back in 2002 when Ohio State beat Miami (FL) I still think that USC team could have beat Miami or Ohio State. With Carson Palmer just on fire after destroying UCLA, Notre Dame and, Iowa it would have been fun to see if OSU or Miami could have stopped Carson Palmer, Mike Williams, Keary Colbert, and Justin Fargas. It would have been intresting nevertheless, but with this BCS System that we have we will never know. Also, of course when SC beat OU like a rag doll 55-19 in 2004 it would have been nice to see if LSU could have hung around with USC.

mil_brew_fan
07-23-2007, 02:22 PM
A playoff system, in the end, will allow the best and most dominate team to stand alone. Too bad it can't be implemented right away.

mil_brew_fan
07-23-2007, 02:24 PM
I agree. I would have made it look like this for the bracket. I say no 2 teams from the same conference should be allowed in. (Thus LSU and Michigan being left out.)

Florida vs. Boise State

Ohio State vs. Southern Cal (Or Louisville.)

And really who wouldn't want to watch these games.

You have to allow teams from the same conference. What if two teams finish atop the Big Ten undefeated? Who do you choose then?

VY10
07-23-2007, 11:12 PM
You have to allow teams from the same conference. What if two teams finish atop the Big Ten undefeated? Who do you choose then?

Add another team to the big 10 and install a championship game :) . No really, they need to. It was even mentioned on college football live. It already makes me mad enough that are are 11 teams in the big "10" why not add another?

So my answer is you choose 1 because it is the conferences fault for not having the ability to choose a decisive champion.

neko4
07-23-2007, 11:15 PM
Why cant conferences have championship games regardless of conf. size, all should have one

neko4
07-23-2007, 11:17 PM
About a week ago on ESPN"s First Take, there was a report of a looming change to a plus one system, ie 4 team tourney. The only major opposition was from the Rose Bowl committee, the Big 10, and the Pac 10 as the Rose has a seperate tv contract and sponsorships. The earliest of a possible chance for a playoff would be in 2011, once the ABC contract runs out for the Rose Bowl, and the BCS contract. I'm hoping and praying for a playoff, even if it means waiting till '11, but it would finally determine a champ ON THE FIELD.

I still dont get why they cant call the playoff games the rose, orange, sugar, and fiesta playoff games

VY10
07-23-2007, 11:19 PM
Why cant conferences have championship games regardless of conf. size, all should have one

They all need to. That is why IMHO the SEC is the top conference. The East and West both have their powers and then they have to play each other, possibly again, in a championship game. Now the Big 12 North of recent has been sad but they are coming back.

If all conferences had championship games and if there was a 4 team playoff we would have no more "*" champions.

constant cough
07-24-2007, 09:16 AM
If we had a playoff then there wouldn't still be all this USC/LSU 03' talk and Auburn wouldn't have gotten screwd in 04'.

I don't see how anyone can be for the BCS and against a playoff.

P-L
07-24-2007, 09:29 AM
I am in favor of a Plus One system. It was already said, but let the four major BCS Bowls rotate and have two of them each year play the 1/4 and 2/3 games. Then the winner of those games play each other in the BCS Championship game. There is no reason to believe that system won't work. There will always be controversy and there is no way to eliminate it. However, I personally would much rather there be controversy around the 4th best team than I would around the 2nd best. This only extends the season for only two teams, and only by one game. The whole Bowl format remains the same. The only difference in this system and the current system is that two teams play in two Bowls.

Turtlepower
07-24-2007, 12:28 PM
For any of this to work, Notre Dame has to join the Big East. They really screw over any idea of a playoff system and even the BCS system. It is BS that as long as they win 9 games, there is a fair chance that they go to a BCS game.