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geaux tigers
12-26-2006, 11:31 AM
on how you think they will turn out.

i am just listing Palmer b/c he was the top pick.

EdReedUnstoppable
12-26-2006, 11:34 AM
From best to worst Id say it goes like this:

1. Carson Palmer
2. Mike Vick
3. David Carr
4. Alex Smith
5. Eli Manning

CC.SD
12-26-2006, 11:37 AM
From best to worst Id say it goes like this:

1. Carson Palmer
2. Mike Vick
3. David Carr
4. Alex Smith
5. Eli Manning

Yeah that's it.

draftguru151
12-26-2006, 11:37 AM
David Carr. It's time for Houston to find a new QB. All the other ones are good or will be good, Carr is done.

Space Ghost
12-26-2006, 11:39 AM
I'll just start my list at 2 ;)

2. Smith
3. Vick
4. Eli
5. Carr

255979119
12-26-2006, 11:40 AM
David Carr could be a good QB if he wasnt getting sacked 70 times a bloody year...and lets not forget QB pressures and hits

if you watch a texans game (yes theyre boring and sloppy but bare with me) youd see that on average carr has about 3 seconds after the snap to release he ball thats including the dropbacks

nobody would do well with that

cunningham06
12-26-2006, 11:40 AM
David Carr. It's time for Houston to find a new QB. All the other ones are good or will be good, Carr is done.

Carr is actually a pretty decent qb if he is given time in the pocket. He was having a pretty good season early on before injury devastated our already pretty bad offensive line. He played very well on Sunday with Freeney in his face all game.

My ranking:

1. Carson Palmer
2. Mike Vick
3. David Carr
4. Eli Manning
5. Alex Smith

njx9
12-26-2006, 11:40 AM
1. Palmer
2. Vick
3. Manning
4. Smith







5. David Carr

one would assume this has to do with a full career rather than some shorter period of time.

yodabear
12-26-2006, 11:42 AM
1. Palmer



















2. Vick












3. Manning
4. Smith



































































































5. Carr

draftguru151
12-26-2006, 11:44 AM
Carr holds onto the ball way too long and throws check downs too much. Some of the sacks are on the OL, but some are on him.

Basileus777
12-26-2006, 11:49 AM
I'd rank them from best to worst:

1. Carson Palmer
2. Mike Vick
3. Alex Smith
4. Eli Manning
5. David Carr

12-26-2006, 11:55 AM
1. Carson Palmer
2. Mike Vick
3. Alex Smith
4. Eli Manning
5. David Carr

cunningham06
12-26-2006, 11:55 AM
Carr holds onto the ball way too long and throws check downs too much. Some of the sacks are on the OL, but some are on him.

Carr actually has a pretty quick release now, he had to learn how to throw the ball away quickly in the Texans offense. Sure some plays he makes mistakes and makes some "what were you thinking?" plays, but if you watch many Texans games you will see just how pitiful the offensive line is. When Charles Spencer was still in, Carr was playing well, because Spencer was pretty good and could protect his blind side. I don't trust that responsibility to Ephraim Salaam, but that's who is responsible for it now. Carr is pretty mobile, he's got good speed I think if he were in another system he would succeed.

bigbluedefense
12-26-2006, 12:04 PM
I won't make my list because we're talking about developing qbs, but I will say this.

Its funny how everyone labeled Alex Smith a bust last year without even giving it second thought. This year, he is improving (nothing to wow about, but improving none the less) and he's the 3rd rated guy on this "list" by most of the people here?

Come on, thats ridiculous.

njx9
12-26-2006, 12:05 PM
i think if david carr had been in detroit and harrington in houston, people would be saying that all harrington needs is some more help and time and that carr was clearly a terrible pick and a worthless quarterback.

i don't buy for one second that carr is any less of a bust than harrington was.

255979119
12-26-2006, 12:08 PM
Harrington= always good for a few errant throws a game, low completion %, locks onto receivers

Carr= holds ball longer than should, afraid of going for the big play

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-26-2006, 12:27 PM
Carson













everyone else.

12-26-2006, 12:27 PM
Carson


Vick









everyone else.

Fixed it for ya.

danman253
12-26-2006, 12:30 PM
Its carr by a mile.

CC.SD
12-26-2006, 12:50 PM
I won't make my list because we're talking about developing qbs, but I will say this.

Its funny how everyone labeled Alex Smith a bust last year without even giving it second thought. This year, he is improving (nothing to wow about, but improving none the less) and he's the 3rd rated guy on this "list" by most of the people here?

Come on, thats ridiculous.

I agree, it's pretty odd.

It's really a testament to how bad Eli and Carr have been this season.

princefielder28
12-26-2006, 12:55 PM
1. Carson Palmer
2. Michael Vick
3. Alex Smith
4. David Carr
5. Eli Manning

Shiver
12-26-2006, 01:53 PM
In order from good to bad;

1. Carson Palmer
2. Michael Vick
3. Alex Smith
4. Eli Manning
5. David Carr

IMO

njx9
12-26-2006, 01:57 PM
Its funny how everyone labeled Alex Smith a bust last year without even giving it second thought. This year, he is improving (nothing to wow about, but improving none the less) and he's the 3rd rated guy on this "list" by most of the people here?

Come on, thats ridiculous.

i guess i don't see your point... ridiculous because people on this are giant bandwagoners or ridiculous because he's not, in your opinion, the 3rd best quarterback out of those five?

i don't disagree with either, really, but i'm not sure what you're saying.

Windy
12-26-2006, 02:40 PM
In order from good to bad;

1. Carson Palmer
2. Michael Vick
3. Alex Smith
4. Eli Manning
5. David Carr

IMO

Shiver
12-26-2006, 02:44 PM
I think I can guess who's the only person to vote Vick as the worst. :lol:

The Unseen
12-26-2006, 03:32 PM
In order from good to bad;

1. Carson Palmer
2. Michael Vick
3. Alex Smith
4. Eli Manning
5. David Carr

IMO

San Diego Chicken
12-26-2006, 03:48 PM
Career passer rating for each QB -

Palmer - 91.5
Carr - 75.7
Vick - 75.6
Manning - 73.2

I won't count 22 year old Alex Smith yet.

That's more or less my order, except switch Carr and Vick because of Vick's scrambling ability.

Larry
12-26-2006, 03:49 PM
1.Carson Palmer
2.Eli Manning
3.Alex Smith
4.Mike Vick- probably the more overrated of the bunch
5.David Carr

12-26-2006, 03:52 PM
1. Palmer
2. Manning
3. Vick
4. Alex Smith
5. David Carr

P-L
12-26-2006, 03:53 PM
We're just judging right now, right? If so...

1. Carson Palmer
2. Michael Vick
3. Alex Smith
4. Eli Manning
5. David Carr

12-26-2006, 03:54 PM
Michael Vick by far. Not even close. He is a coach killer.

David Carr has no OL and only 1 WR and no TEs, he really has no talent around him unlike Palmer and Eli and Vick (who doesn't use it except Crumpler).

Basileus777
12-26-2006, 03:55 PM
How does Carson Palmer have 5 votes? :?:

Shiver
12-26-2006, 04:10 PM
Michael Vick by far. Not even close. He is a coach killer.

David Carr has no OL and only 1 WR and no TEs, he really has no talent around him unlike Palmer and Eli and Vick (who doesn't use it except Crumpler).

:lol:

doingthisinsteadofwork
12-26-2006, 04:11 PM
How does Carson Palmer have 5 votes? :?:there just Cincci or Carson haters.

njx9
12-26-2006, 04:20 PM
meh, i read the thread title and thought the vote was for the best qb (i didn't actually vote). they could just be mistaken.

12-26-2006, 04:22 PM
How does Carson Palmer have 5 votes? :?:there just Cincci or Carson haters.

Hater in the house?

SuperMcGee
12-26-2006, 04:57 PM
Palmer
Vick
Smith
Eli
Carr

too close between manning and smith

Jensen
12-26-2006, 05:05 PM
1. Carson Palmer
2. Mike Vick
3. Eli Manning
4. Alex Smith
5. David Carr

16_SFfan_80
12-26-2006, 05:07 PM
1. Carson Palmer
2. Mike Vick
3. Alex Smith
4. Eli Manning
5. David Carr

smittyjs
12-26-2006, 05:22 PM
My bad, i thought this was for the Best QB, that's why i voted Carson.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
12-26-2006, 06:00 PM
Michael Vick by far. Not even close. He is a coach killer.

David Carr has no OL and only 1 WR and no TEs, he really has no talent around him unlike Palmer and Eli and Vick (who doesn't use it except Crumpler).

:lol:http://i.pbase.com/o4/98/583898/1/56693475.roflcopter.gif

ninerfan
12-26-2006, 06:09 PM
Carr - not bust but not far from it
Vick - unrealised potential
Smith - jury still out
Eli - jury out, may wish he had another surname
Carson - better than the other 4 combined at present

dcarey20
12-26-2006, 07:20 PM
1. Carson Palmer
2. Mike Vick
3. David Carr
4. Alex Smith
5. Eli Manning

12-26-2006, 07:26 PM
Carr - not bust but not far from it
Vick - unrealised potential
Smith - jury still out
Eli - jury out, may wish he had another surname
Carson - better than the other 4 combined at present

That's not in any kind of order is it?

ninerfan
12-26-2006, 07:31 PM
Carr - not bust but not far from it
Vick - unrealised potential
Smith - jury still out
Eli - jury out, may wish he had another surname
Carson - better than the other 4 combined at present

That's not in any kind of order is it?

Yep worst to best as asked

12-26-2006, 07:32 PM
Carr - not bust but not far from it
Vick - unrealised potential
Smith - jury still out
Eli - jury out, may wish he had another surname
Carson - better than the other 4 combined at present

That's not in any kind of order is it?

Yep worst to best as asked

You have Eli as #2? :lol: That's a complete joke.

ninerfan
12-26-2006, 07:33 PM
Carr - not bust but not far from it
Vick - unrealised potential
Smith - jury still out
Eli - jury out, may wish he had another surname
Carson - better than the other 4 combined at present

That's not in any kind of order is it?

Yep worst to best as asked

You have Eli as #2? :lol: That's a complete joke.

Thank you I value your opinion

12-26-2006, 07:34 PM
Carr - not bust but not far from it
Vick - unrealised potential
Smith - jury still out
Eli - jury out, may wish he had another surname
Carson - better than the other 4 combined at present

That's not in any kind of order is it?

Yep worst to best as asked

You have Eli as #2? :lol: That's a complete joke.

Thank you I value your opinion

Please tell me how Eli is better than Vick. Or how Smith is better than Vick for that matter.

bmoreravens5289
12-26-2006, 07:38 PM
1. Carson Palmer
2. Mike Vick
3. Eli Manning
4. Alex Smith
5. David Carr

That's my list right there

ninerfan
12-26-2006, 07:39 PM
Carr - not bust but not far from it
Vick - unrealised potential
Smith - jury still out
Eli - jury out, may wish he had another surname
Carson - better than the other 4 combined at present

That's not in any kind of order is it?

Yep worst to best as asked

You have Eli as #2? :lol: That's a complete joke.

Thank you I value your opinion

Please tell me how Eli is better than Vick. Or how Smith is better than Vick for that matter.

In my opinion Vick has under achieved and I dont think he'll ever have ultimate team success (atleast in Atlanta) He is massively overpaid in my opinion.
As I wrote the jury is out on Smith - he certainly has potential but not sure yet
Eli is in my opinion the 2d best QB on that list. Yes he suffers from having a famous surname, a legend father and brother but he is only 3 yrs in to his career. Time will tell.

Sorry if my views dont match yours

bigbluedefense
12-26-2006, 07:49 PM
Its funny how everyone labeled Alex Smith a bust last year without even giving it second thought. This year, he is improving (nothing to wow about, but improving none the less) and he's the 3rd rated guy on this "list" by most of the people here?

Come on, thats ridiculous.

i guess i don't see your point... ridiculous because people on this are giant bandwagoners or ridiculous because he's not, in your opinion, the 3rd best quarterback out of those five?

i don't disagree with either, really, but i'm not sure what you're saying.

15 TDs with 15 INTS and a 58% completion % and 75.2 passer rating isn't anything to wow about honestly. Of course, he's developing and shows promise, which is why I never knock a developing qb, but these numbers are not better than Eli's 2nd year. Granted Eli's completion % was worse, and his talent was greater, but his responsibilities were much greater and he had much more yards and TDs as well. He was asked to do alot more, and he was in charge of the 2nd best offense in the league in his 2nd year along with the NY pressure and horrible coach putting an emmense amount of workload on his plate. I don't get how Alex Smith's development is any better than Eli's.

Granted Eli is struggling right now, but even then, how is Smith doing any better?

Im not knocking Smith, Im actually quite pleased that he's doing well for himself after everyone wrote him off so quickly, but its also ironic to me how everyone can write him off so quickly, then turn around and jump on his bandwagon even quicker. Its just somewhat hypocritical to me.

rainbeaukid2
12-26-2006, 07:53 PM
i think that alex smith will become great in time. he has pretty good accuracy, great mobility, and young weapons. as soon as he gets a true #1 receiver and VD stops dropping balls, alex smith teamed up with norv turner will be a force to be reckoned with

KILLERSANTA
12-26-2006, 08:11 PM
Carson













everyone else.

Agree :D

SuperMcGee
12-26-2006, 08:13 PM
I won't make my list because we're talking about developing qbs, but I will say this.

Its funny how everyone labeled Alex Smith a bust last year without even giving it second thought. This year, he is improving (nothing to wow about, but improving none the less) and he's the 3rd rated guy on this "list" by most of the people here?

Come on, thats ridiculous.

Smith has nothing on the JP Losman turnaround on this board

bigbluedefense
12-26-2006, 08:20 PM
I won't make my list because we're talking about developing qbs, but I will say this.

Its funny how everyone labeled Alex Smith a bust last year without even giving it second thought. This year, he is improving (nothing to wow about, but improving none the less) and he's the 3rd rated guy on this "list" by most of the people here?

Come on, thats ridiculous.

Smith has nothing on the JP Losman turnaround on this board

Great point. Thats true as well.

draftguru151
12-26-2006, 08:38 PM
I won't make my list because we're talking about developing qbs, but I will say this.

Its funny how everyone labeled Alex Smith a bust last year without even giving it second thought. This year, he is improving (nothing to wow about, but improving none the less) and he's the 3rd rated guy on this "list" by most of the people here?

Come on, thats ridiculous.

Smith has nothing on the JP Losman turnaround on this board

I love how I supported both though. :D Seriously, it was Buffalo fans and me defending Losman and that is pretty much it.

SuperMcGee
12-26-2006, 08:49 PM
I won't make my list because we're talking about developing qbs, but I will say this.

Its funny how everyone labeled Alex Smith a bust last year without even giving it second thought. This year, he is improving (nothing to wow about, but improving none the less) and he's the 3rd rated guy on this "list" by most of the people here?

Come on, thats ridiculous.

Smith has nothing on the JP Losman turnaround on this board

I love how I supported both though. :D Seriously, it was Buffalo fans and me defending Losman and that is pretty much it.

Yeah, it was you and one of the giants fans, then just a handful of Bills fans (I don't know who any of these guys are starting JP Losman threads nowadays)

rchrd
12-26-2006, 08:55 PM
Yeah I voted before reading the poll question :oops: Sorry Bungles!

rainbeaukid2
12-26-2006, 08:58 PM
I won't make my list because we're talking about developing qbs, but I will say this.

Its funny how everyone labeled Alex Smith a bust last year without even giving it second thought. This year, he is improving (nothing to wow about, but improving none the less) and he's the 3rd rated guy on this "list" by most of the people here?

Come on, thats ridiculous.

Smith has nothing on the JP Losman turnaround on this board

ya, people will jump on smith's bandwagon though once his weapons develop and he becomes top 10 QB in the league

njx9
12-26-2006, 09:03 PM
I won't make my list because we're talking about developing qbs, but I will say this.

Its funny how everyone labeled Alex Smith a bust last year without even giving it second thought. This year, he is improving (nothing to wow about, but improving none the less) and he's the 3rd rated guy on this "list" by most of the people here?

Come on, thats ridiculous.

Smith has nothing on the JP Losman turnaround on this board

ya, people will jump on smith's bandwagon though once his weapons develop and he becomes top 10 QB in the league

he has battle and bryant, what more could he really want?

keylime_5
12-26-2006, 11:23 PM
Palmer might be the best young passer in the leauge, why so many votes?

Paul
12-26-2006, 11:31 PM
Danmit I need to start reading the polls first. I though it was the best pick and I picked Palmer. I need a redo

yourfavestoner
12-26-2006, 11:33 PM
Has David Carr ever had a good game against a team other than Jacksonville?

bearsfan_51
12-26-2006, 11:35 PM
Has David Carr ever had a good game against a team other than Jacksonville?
I recall him schooling a very bad 2004 Chicago Bears team that had Chad Hutchison at QB.

njx9
12-27-2006, 01:07 AM
Danmit I need to start reading the polls first. I though it was the best pick and I picked Palmer. I need a redo

you can hardly be faulted when the thread title and poll title are worded so that they sound like complete opposites.

NickBam
12-27-2006, 01:09 AM
Anyone else not read the poll question and pick Carson Palmer?

Dam8610
12-27-2006, 01:10 AM
Anyone else not read the poll question and pick Carson Palmer?

That would be me.

NYmoney
12-27-2006, 10:24 AM
From BEST to WORST:

1. Palmer
2. Manning (just in a slump)
3. Smith
4. Vick
5. Carr

GB12
12-27-2006, 12:37 PM
Palmer
Vick
Smith
Carr
Manning

jetsfan3
12-27-2006, 12:44 PM
Danmit I need to start reading the polls first. I though it was the best pick and I picked Palmer. I need a redo

Same.

My order from worst pick to best pick is:

Carr
Manning
Smith
Vick
Palmer

CC.SD
12-27-2006, 01:21 PM
Where is the Tim Couch option?

SterlingSharpe
12-27-2006, 10:55 PM
Tim Couch would win in a landslide, but not if Ryan Leaf was on the vote.

How is Carson Palmer getting all the votes?
People reading the question wrong?

How is he a bad pick? Should they have taken Charles Rogers who went next? Palmer is a top 5 NFL QB.....WTF?

GB12
12-27-2006, 11:05 PM
Anyone else not read the poll question and pick Carson Palmer?

That would be me.

I think a lot of people (including myself did) which is why Palmer's leading.

4pAc
12-27-2006, 11:08 PM
wtf is wrong with the poll :lol:

L6
12-28-2006, 03:28 PM
1.Carson Palmer
2.Eli Manning
3.Alex Smith
4.Mike Vick- probably the more overrated of the bunch
5.David Carr
Im with this list, ive never been big on vick, the rushing yards dont impress me at all, its good as a bonus to a good passing game, but the ability to pass is still much more important for a qb.

The poll question was confusing, im sure thats why palmer has so many votes, I almost voted for him as well before i saw the heading there..