Prediction Thread

[yodapoop]

Come on lets start making predictions, lets have everyone weigh in. Make division predictions. Make wild predictions. Predict the 2007 season. Predict the super bowl. Or hell make wild and crazy bets like I am about to. It isn't that crazy, but the thought of it is. Okay, so here it is....

Some of the Lions have guaranteed ten wins for them. If the Lions win ten games, I will quit posting on this site. There it is, I am true to my word. I will make one last retirement post after their tenth win and then Yodachu will be gone. So lets here them.........

[Beans]

If the Bucs lose 30 games, I'll retire.

[bearsfan_51]

The Bears will win the Superbowl.

If they don't, I'll probably do the same thing I did last year and just ***** for a few hours, get drunk, and go to bed.

[yodapoop]

If the Arizona Cardinals win the NFC West, I will become a stripper.

If Josh Brown kicks another game winning field goal against us this year, I will need therapy.

[trkaline]

14-2 Ravens vs. 12-4 Bear's Superbowl

Ravens
15
Bears
13

All field Goals except Devin Hester run's the kickoff for 2nd half for a TD...

[Cashmoney]

im calling peyton manning tearing an acl in the preseason and the colts will then go 1-15 in the regular season.

[Mr. Stiller]

Baltimore Wins the AFC North
Pittsburgh takes the #6 seed, #2 in the Division.

Pittsburgh vs. Baltimore AFC Championship game.

Baltimore vs. Seattle Super Bowl.

Baltimore 24 ~ Seattle 10

[Tampa 2 4 life]

If Joey Harrington leads the Falcons to a playoff birth, I will shave my head.

[Cashmoney]

If Joey Harrington leads the Falcons to a playoff birth, I will shave my head.

if that happens ill let my hair grow.

[TheChampIsHere]

Bengals to beat the Eagles in the superbowl

[Aftermath]

Bengals to beat the Eagles in the superbowl

HIGH FIVE LOL

[PACKmanN]

im calling Vince Young tearing an acl in the preseason and the colts will then go 1-15 in the regular season.
I fixed it for you.

The Packers taking the NFC North with an 11-5 record.

[yodapoop]

I fixed it for you.

The Packers taking the NFC North with an 11-5 record.

Does Vince Young play for the Colts now?

[Cashmoney]

I fixed it for you.

The Packers taking the NFC North with an 11-5 record.

it didnt need fixing. peytons never been hurt, and thats why im finally calling it for this year.

[KWill93]

Bears 10-6
Packers 8-8
Vikings 7-9
Lions 6-10

[Philliez01]

it didnt need fixing. peytons never been hurt, and thats why im finally calling it for this year.

Psh, everyone knows that Jim "Mean Rail" Sorgi is better anyway.

[PACKmanN]

Does Vince Young play for the Colts now?

yup surprising info huh :)

Madden jinx will live on and on.

[PACKmanN]

Bears 10-6
Packers 8-8
Vikings 7-9
Lions 6-10

I wouldn't be shocked if the Lions went 7-9 and the Vikings went 6-10.

[Man_Of_Steel]

Brett Farve will become the most hated man in green bay.

[neko4]

Brett Farve will become the most hated man in green bay.

Dont scare me like that
I can finally justify why Harrell will be good
He wore 92 at Tennessee
Reggie White wore 92, played at Tennessee
Its an omen of good fortune

[Crazy_Chris]

Here are some of my predictions... The packers will go 5-11, The saints will not live up to all the hype and finish .500 or below. And the boldest prediction of all... the NFC will win the superbowl.

[Man_Of_Steel]

Here are some of my predictions... The packers will go 5-11, The saints will not live up to all the hype and finish .500 or below. And the boldest prediction of all... the NFC will win the superbowl.

You sir...are a madman. Although I agree with your first prediction.

[DWilliams2IndyColts]

Dont scare me like that
I can finally justify why Harrell will be good
He wore 92 at Tennessee
Reggie White wore 92, played at Tennessee
Its an omen of good fortuneYes but Reggie started in Philly.

[DWilliams2IndyColts]

If Seahawks and Pats aren't in the superbowl I'll post a 7 round mock draft.

[neko4]

Here are some of my predictions... The packers will go 5-11, The saints will not live up to all the hype and finish .500 or below. And the boldest prediction of all... the NFC will win the superbowl.

How exactly?

[Crazy_Chris]

You sir...are a madman. Although I agree with your first prediction.

Ah yes my Screen name fits me quite well. . . But i stand by my predictions even the NFC winning the superbowl.

[Crazy_Chris]

How exactly?

well ill tell you just exactly how by losing 11 games that how they will do it.

[neko4]

well ill tell you just exactly how by losing 11 games that how they will do it.

But what i wrong with the packers that will cause them to lose 11 games?

[Crazy_Chris]

But what i wrong with the packers that will cause them to lose 11 games?

They will let the other teams score more points thus creating a loss...

Wk1 vs Philadelphia Loss
Wk2 at N.Y. Giants Loss
Wk3 vs San Diego Loss
Wk4 at Minnesota Loss
Wk5 vs Chicago Loss
Wk6 vs Washington Win
Wk8 at Denver Loss
Wk9 at Kansas City Loss
Wk10 vs Minnesota Win
Wk11 vs Carolina Loss
Wk12 at Detroit Win
Wk13 at Dallas Loss
Wk14 vs Oakland Win
Wk15 vs at St.Louis Loss
Wk16 at Chicago Loss
Wk17 vs Detroit Win

[TheChampIsHere]

HIGH FIVE LOL

last year before the season started, Carson was coming off the injuries and I dunno how many Bengals guys had got arrested...it wasnt a good situation for a team I thought had all the potential in the world so I called it then that the Bengals would miss the playoffs in 06 and go to the superbowl in 07 and Im seeing no reason to back off it. Although those Patriots are lookin scary...and the Ravens look nasty too.

[neko4]

Wk1 vs Philadelphia Loss
Wk2 at N.Y. Giants Win-Its possible that they dont have a rushing attack, thus making them one dimensional, and against our D they wil struggle.
Wk3 vs San Diego Loss
Wk4 at Minnesota Win-GB has better O, Better D
Wk5 vs Chicago Loss
Wk6 vs Washington Win
Wk8 at Denver Loss
Wk9 at Kansas City Could go either way
Wk10 vs Minnesota Win
Wk11 vs Carolina We're about equal so could go either way
Wk12 at Detroit Win
Wk13 at Dallas Loss
Wk14 vs Oakland Win
Wk15 vs at St.Louis Loss
Wk16 at Chicago Win- This isnt an intelligent pick, but I dont think Favre will lose his last game against CHI
Wk17 vs Detroit Win

7-9 to 10-6

[mcdlaxbonz13]

cleveland will hold a top 5 pick and wont be able to use it because we traded it to dallas(and yes im a cleveland fan)

[Crazy_Chris]

Wk1 vs Philadelphia Loss
Wk2 at N.Y. Giants Win-Its possible that they dont have a rushing attack, thus making them one dimensional, and against our D they wil struggle.
Wk3 vs San Diego Loss
Wk4 at Minnesota Win-GB has better O, Better D
Wk5 vs Chicago Loss
Wk6 vs Washington Win
Wk8 at Denver Loss
Wk9 at Kansas City Could go either way
Wk10 vs Minnesota Win
Wk11 vs Carolina We're about equal so could go either way
Wk12 at Detroit Win
Wk13 at Dallas Loss
Wk14 vs Oakland Win
Wk15 vs at St.Louis Loss
Wk16 at Chicago Win- This isnt an intelligent pick, but I dont think Favre will lose his last game against CHI
Wk17 vs Detroit Win

7-9 to 10-6

I must say i had a good laugh when you said Green Bays defense was better than minnesota's and that your equal with carolina now thats funny... But thats your opinion your entitled to it even if it's wrong.

[neko4]

Green Bay has a better D-Line, Linebackers (much better) and better secondary than Minny. Minnesota's D doesnt come close to Green Bay's


And offensively Green Bay is about equal to Carolina, though they have a better defense

[Crazy_Chris]

Green Bay has a better D-Line, Linebackers (much better) and better secondary than Minny. Minnesota's D doesnt come close to Green Bay's


And offensively Green Bay is about equal to Carolina, though they have a better defense

Ah that cracks me up you are just being delusional when you say "minnesota's defense doesn't come close". you have a better DE than minnesota the vikings have better DT's by far. Green bay has better Linebackers but its not by as much as you make it out to be. Antoine Winfield is better than either of the packers CB's although the packers do have a better duo though. Minnesota's safties blow yours outta the water and its not close. Also overall Minnesotas Depth in the secondary is much better. Minnesotas d is better i mean i don't know how you confuse 8th best defense(minnesota) in the league with the 12th(green bay) . As for the Carolina claim if Jake Delhomme bounces back from a down year your offense doesn't come close. Now i am through discussing the packers.

[neko4]

Now i am through discussing the packers.

No youre not,
Aaron Kampman is one of the best DE's in the league, and cullen and kgb could go to Minny and start. Ryan Pickett, Corey Williams, Colin Cole, and Justin Harrell arent as good as the Minny DT's on their own, but in a rotation are much better. At LB Barnett and Hawk, both have pro bowl ability, and Brady Poppinga is still developing, but is a good tackler. Winfield is hardly better than Al, and Woodson just had a career season, plus teams can just throw away from Winfield. Also Patrick Dendy showed good promise last season. If Nick Collins plays to his potential, he'll be better than Sharper is today (who is just a shell of his former self) SS will get better for GB this year, the spot is wide open and competition should breed results.

[duckseason]

No youre not,
Aaron Kampman is one of the best DE's in the league, and cullen and kgb could go to Minny and start. Ryan Pickett, Corey Williams, Colin Cole, and Justin Harrell arent as good as the Minny DT's on their own, but in a rotation are much better. At LB Barnett and Hawk, both have pro bowl ability, and Brady Poppinga is still developing, but is a good tackler. Winfield is hardly better than Al, and Woodson just had a career season, plus teams can just throw away from Winfield. Also Patrick Dendy showed good promise last season. If Nick Collins plays to his potential, he'll be better than Sharper is today (who is just a shell of his former self) SS will get better for GB this year, the spot is wide open and competition should breed results.

You sir, are a delusional homer. I guess it's up for debate which defense is actually the better unit overall, but those who know football laugh at the statement that the Packers D is far better than that of the Vikings. I'd put them on a similar level, but give the obvious nod to the Vikes. Although stats aren't the end all, and last year is certainly not a definitive barometer of a teams current strength, let's take a look. The Vikings had the #1 rush defense. BY FAR. They didn't even allow 1000 yards rushing on the year. That is just plain sick. They allowed a measly 2.8 yards per rush. That is what a solid defense is all about. You know how many first downs they gave up on the ground? 53. The Packers? 95. As a matter of fact, your Packers gave up nearly twice the rush yards as those boys in Minnesota. 1825 to 985. Your Packers do indeed have the edge when it comes to Pass defense, but it's not nearly as pronounced as the difference found between the play up front. Minnesota gave up more yards, but not as many TD's. You guys get the edge when it comes to the pass rush, as well. Which may have something to do with the yardage total. For my money, I'll take the stout run defense. But, I wouldn't sit here and claim either unit to be far superior to the other. This is the NFL. Both defenses are a short notch above average, imo. Looking around the league, neither really has much to brag about. Although the Vikes run D is quite impressive.

[neko4]

You sir, are a delusional homer. I guess it's up for debate which defense is actually the better unit overall, but those who know football laugh at the statement that the Packers D is far better than that of the Vikings. I'd put them on a similar level, but give the obvious nod to the Vikes. Although stats aren't the end all, and last year is certainly not a definitive barometer of a teams current strength, let's take a look. The Vikings had the #1 rush defense. BY FAR. They didn't even allow 1000 yards rushing on the year. That is just plain sick. They allowed a measly 2.8 yards per rush. That is what a solid defense is all about. You know how many first downs they gave up on the ground? 53. The Packers? 95. As a matter of fact, your Packers gave up nearly twice the rush yards as those boys in Minnesota. 1825 to 985. Your Packers do indeed have the edge when it comes to Pass defense, but it's not nearly as pronounced as the difference found between the play up front. Minnesota gave up more yards, but not as many TD's. You guys get the edge when it comes to the pass rush, as well. Which may have something to do with the yardage total. For my money, I'll take the stout run defense. But, I wouldn't sit here and claim either unit to be far superior to the other. This is the NFL. Both defenses are a short notch above average, imo. Looking around the league, neither really has much to brag about. Although the Vikes run D is quite impressive.

Yeah Woodson 8 INT's and Kampman being 1st in the NFC in sacks, nothing to brag about there. So maybe GB's isnt that much better, but Minny did loose Fred Smoot and Napoleon Harris, while Green Bay only added to the defense.

[duckseason]

Yeah Woodson 8 INT's and Kampman being 1st in the NFC in sacks, nothing to brag about there. So maybe GB's isnt that much better, but Minny did loose Fred Smoot and Napoleon Harris, while Green Bay only added to the defense.

Well, those are solid individual achievements that should not be discounted. But, all things considered, not really a big deal. All teams have similar things to boast about. We're talking about the defense as a whole here. I see that you agree the difference isn't as big as you had stated earlier, so there's not much else to argue about. I will say however, that losing Fred Smoot and adding Marcus McCauley is a good thing. Smoot has been exposed as a below average CB, and most Vikings fans will tell you they're happy to see him go. Also, Chad Greenway can be expected to boost the overall LB play. And how about having Erasmus James back? See, most teams have improved since the end of last season. It's just that the positive things your beloved Packers do is magnified in your mind because you follow them so closely and you love them. Watch out for those Vikes. It can also be argued that the addition of Adrian Peterson will greatly benefit the defense as well.

[etk]

14-2 Ravens vs. 12-4 Bear's Superbowl

Ravens
15
Bears
13

All field Goals except Devin Hester run's the kickoff for 2nd half for a TD...

Glad to see someone bringing homerism back. Ravens going 17-2, LOL! Who's their QB?

My Super Bowl predicts:

St. Louis loses badly to the New England Patriots in the Super Bowl. The Rams are my dark horse cinderella candidate. They will go 9-7/10-6 and win every game in the NFC playoffs by a score of 44-41.

[Jvig43]

I see a Dallas vs San Diego super bowl. i think the chargers will not be seeded as high as last year, but will go further into the playoffs. As for the cowboys, they were a pretty good team last year, and this is gonna be Romos first full year, i expect good things from him, all tho last years slip up will not go unmentioned.

Alternative: Patriots vs Saints. pats are amazing on paper this year and im a homer, and i loved what the saints have done with the offense, they're an amazing team to keep who i think will do better than last year thro the playoffs.

[trkaline]

I see a Dallas vs San Diego super bowl. i think the chargers will not be seeded as high as last year, but will go further into the playoffs. As for the cowboys, they were a pretty good team last year, and this is gonna be Romos first full year, i expect good things from him, all tho last years slip up will not go unmentioned.

I'm not a Cowboys fan nor am I a Romo fan but last years slip up was a fluke...grant it a huge your goin home fluke...but it just happened at the wrong time if it happened earlier in the game coulda been salvaged but it was just an act of god...

[Splat]

Some little known or talked about rookie will win O or D rookie of the year.

[Ravens1991]

Antwan Barnes get 7+ sacks
McGahee 10+ TD
T-sizzle contends for DPOY

[neko4]

Well, those are solid individual achievements that should not be discounted. But, all things considered, not really a big deal. All teams have similar things to boast about. We're talking about the defense as a whole here. I see that you agree the difference isn't as big as you had stated earlier, so there's not much else to argue about. I will say however, that losing Fred Smoot and adding Marcus McCauley is a good thing. Smoot has been exposed as a below average CB, and most Vikings fans will tell you they're happy to see him go. Also, Chad Greenway can be expected to boost the overall LB play. And how about having Erasmus James back? See, most teams have improved since the end of last season. It's just that the positive things your beloved Packers do is magnified in your mind because you follow them so closely and you love them. Watch out for those Vikes. It can also be argued that the addition of Adrian Peterson will greatly benefit the defense as well.

Greenway has proved nothing so far. McCauley's ability has yet to be seen. James has been hurt and hasnt proved much. Plus green bay is getting players back from injury/suspension too. Koren Robinson, Will Blackmon, Marviel Underwood. Not quite as big of names but Koren can be a pro bowl KR, and Underwood will atleast bring competition to the SS spot. Which is what Blackmon should be able to do.

Oh and the most important stat from last year: GB 2-0 over MIN

[Jonny]

Giants will rebound and go 10-6.

[jag]

My big prediction...

The Minnesota Vikings will win the NFC North. Tavaris Jackson is going to be the real thing, and I'm not even a Vikings fan.

[Nitschke-Hawk]

Steven Jackson will be the MVP.

Alex Smith will be a top 10 QB or pro bowl contender whatever you wanna call it.

The Packers will have at least 3 defensive pro bowlers. (even though the pro bowl is so skewed sometimes.) Either way, even if 3 don't officially make the pro bowl roster 3 or more will play like it.




.....I'll think of some more.

[neko4]

Barnett shouldve been in in '05
Hawk has alot of hype
And hopefully Woodson will repeat

[BigDawg819]

I predict Marvin Lewis and Romeo Crennel get fired by the end of the year.

[TheChampIsHere]

To chime in Ill take the Packer D over the Viking D but yea its close. With KGB and Kampman the GB D offers a better pass-rush, something the Viking D was really lacking. Of course if Erasmus James, Udeze or Ray Edwards comes with a breakout season that changes the complexion of things. The Vikings are obviously great at DT but they have one of the worst LB units in the league and I would call their secondary average, Winfield is a standout, but the depth isnt there...Griffin is OK. Sharper is still good but declining, the SS spot they have a number of players but certainly no standout...

The Packer D i like more overall, they have great LBs, Hawk and Barnett are both beasts, a nice rotation of solid players along the DL, Woodson and Harris is one of the best CB duos, Collins is a good young player but I need to see more from him...And we'll see about the SS spot...Ill take the Packer D overall. And while I love the Viking rushing attack their passing game does not look promising. Id say the Packers are looking better overall...Although if the Vikings can tidy up their pass D and Tarvaris Jackson turns out to be a player, Sidney Rice can become a number 1 target and Williamson becomes a solid big play threat, the Vikes could be a force to reckon with in the future.

[neko4]

To chime in Ill take the Packer D over the Viking D but yea its close. With KGB and Kampman the GB D offers a better pass-rush, something the Viking D was really lacking. Of course if Erasmus James, Udeze or Ray Edwards comes with a breakout season that changes the complexion of things. The Vikings are obviously great at DT but they have one of the worst LB units in the league and I would call their secondary average, Winfield is a standout, but the depth isnt there...Griffin is OK. Sharper is still good but declining, the SS spot they have a number of players but certainly no standout...

The Packer D i like more overall, they have great LBs, Hawk and Barnett are both beasts, a nice rotation of solid players along the DL, Woodson and Harris is one of the best CB duos, Collins is a good young player but I need to see more from him...And we'll see about the SS spot...Ill take the Packer D overall. And while I love the Viking rushing attack their passing game does not look promising. Id say the Packers are looking better overall...Although if the Vikings can tidy up their pass D and Tarvaris Jackson turns out to be a player, Sidney Rice can become a number 1 target and Williamson becomes a solid big play threat, the Vikes could be a force to reckon with in the future.

Thats what i tried to say,but i aint smrt nuff to say lyke thaet thou

[yodapoop]

The one that said the NFC winning the super bowl isn't going that much on a limb. I mean I think all but 4 teams in the NFC could get to the super bowl and maybe become champs.

Arizona:If they live up to the hype, and their defense plays well, they could very well be there.

Seattle:If Alexander can stay healthy, they could be there.

San Fran: Definintly can be there:offense is good, defense is solid.

St. Louis:Heck yeah, no homer. But our offense can score. If our defense steps up, we could win.

Chicago:They are my favorites to be there in the end. If Sexy Rexy can just play a little bit better, they can win.

Minnesota:Yeah, crazy thought when their 3 QBs are Jackson, Bollinger, and Henson. Their offense needs to step up. Yes, a bit of a stretch, but their defense can keep them in games, and maybe win enough to be there in the end.

Green Bay: Definintly. If #4 finds another weapon, and their D steps up, they could be there.

Detroit:They are one of those 4 that I say have no chance.

New Orleans:Brees, Bush, McAllister, Colston: the best offense in the NFC. However, like the Rams, they will need their D to step up. And if it does, oooh boy.

Carolina:Maybe now that they aren't the sexy pick to go to the super bowl, they will finally live up to their potential. So yes.

Atlanta:With Vick, they are 8-8. Without him, God only knows. They are #2 of the 4 that I say have no chance.

Tampa Bay:#3 of 4 that I say has no chance, but prolly the best team that I say has no chance.

Dallas:If Romo can forget about the fumbled snap, Dallas could be on their way to the super bowl. I mean in the NFC a lot of teams have a great defense and a sub par offense like Chicago and Minnesota or they have a great offense and a sub par defense like New Orleans and St. Louis. Or they got great teams, but have a question marks like Dallas with Romo.

Philly:Is McNabb healthy and if so, can he stay? If so, the Eagles are contenders.

New York Giants:Eli is a question mark. Can Jacobs fill Tiki's shoes? Can Coughlin go through a season without having his team wanna kill him? I mean I will never count them out, but it maybe a long season for them. But I could be dead wrong about them.

Washington:The #4 of 4 teams that I say have no chance.

So yeah, Chicago is my pick to win it, but I think there are eleven other teams that could win it. And possibly upset New England, San Diego, or Indianapolis because I think that is the three it is between in the AFC. In the end, I think New England will beat Chicago, however I think Chicago or any NFC team could beat them if they play there best.

BTW, it is killing me having New England winning it all cuz I hate them, but I must say: they prolly have the best team.

[etk]

Barnett shouldve been in in '05
Hawk has alot of hype
And hopefully Woodson will repeat

Do you realize how difficult it is to make the Pro Bowl as an MLB? There are so many great ones and only 2 make it, Barnett is not among the 2 best MLBs in the conference, sorry. Packers will get 1 Pro Bowler next year on D.

[neko4]

I still dont understand why nobody's picking WAS
Campbell will be in his second year. Moss and Cooley should be solid, and Lloyd or Randle El will emerge to be decent. The O-line is still good. Portis will be healthy and Betts will back him up. The LB's and DB's are solid, but the D-Line remains a problem.

[neko4]

Do you realize how difficult it is to make the Pro Bowl as an MLB? There are so many great ones and only 2 make it, Barnett is not among the 2 best MLBs in the conference, sorry. Packers will get 1 Pro Bowler next year on D.

No way I believe 1, 2 yes. Kampman most likely and then Woodson, Barnett Harris, and Hawk all have a good chance.

[etk]

No way I believe 1, 2 yes. Kampman most likely and then Woodson, Barnett Harris, and Hawk all have a good chance.

Barring injury, Kampman is a definite one. Woodson is a year older and won't be as lucky this year, sorry. Hawk is still a year away, and Al Harris is definitely not Pro Bowl material.

[BuckNaked]

To chime in Ill take the Packer D over the Viking D but yea its close. With KGB and Kampman the GB D offers a better pass-rush, something the Viking D was really lacking. Of course if Erasmus James, Udeze or Ray Edwards comes with a breakout season that changes the complexion of things. The Vikings are obviously great at DT but they have one of the worst LB units in the league and I would call their secondary average, Winfield is a standout, but the depth isnt there...Griffin is OK. Sharper is still good but declining, the SS spot they have a number of players but certainly no standout...

The Packer D i like more overall, they have great LBs, Hawk and Barnett are both beasts, a nice rotation of solid players along the DL, Woodson and Harris is one of the best CB duos, Collins is a good young player but I need to see more from him...And we'll see about the SS spot...Ill take the Packer D overall. And while I love the Viking rushing attack their passing game does not look promising. Id say the Packers are looking better overall...Although if the Vikings can tidy up their pass D and Tarvaris Jackson turns out to be a player, Sidney Rice can become a number 1 target and Williamson becomes a solid big play threat, the Vikes could be a force to reckon with in the future.

You obviously didn't watch the Vikings at all last year. Our defense is definitely better than the Packers defense. How can you say we had one of the worst linebacker units in the league when E.J. Henderson had a breakout year, Ben Leber was a very constant and steady leader of that unit and Chad Greenway will be returning from injury to take the place of Napolean Harris? Our secondary is better than average. Antoine Winfield is a force to be reckoned with and now that Cedric Griffin has a year under his belt, he will perform at a high level. Not to mention, we got rid of Fred Smoot and replaced him with Marcus McCauley who can step in right away and play nickel for us. Sharper is still not a great fit for the cover 2 defense, but manages to play very well. Dwight Smith, who in my opinion played beter than Sharper, will hold the SS position down with Mike Doss who is extremely familiar with the system coming from indianapolis.

[neko4]

Barring injury, Kampman is a definite one. Woodson is a year older and won't be as lucky this year, sorry. Hawk is still a year away, and Al Harris is definitely not Pro Bowl material.

Al Harris doesnt get the picks, but he is one of the better CB's in league and maybe his lack of picks will keep him out but he definitly has the ability. Plus teams will fear Woodson this year and having to chose between throwing to a WR covered by Harris or a WR covered by Woodson is no easy choice. And Hawk is already making huge contributions.

[etk]

You obviously didn't watch the Vikings at all last year. Our defense is definitely better than the Packers defense. How can you say we had one of the worst linebacker units in the league when E.J. Henderson had a breakout year, Ben Leber was a very constant and steady leader of that unit and Chad Greenway will be returning from injury to take the place of Napolean Harris? Our secondary is better than average. Antoine Winfield is a force to be reckoned with and now that Cedric Griffin has a year under his belt, he will perform at a high level. Not to mention, we got rid of Fred Smoot and replaced him with Marcus McCauley who can step in right away and play nickel for us. Sharper is still not a great fit for the cover 2 defense, but manages to play very well. Dwight Smith, who in my opinion played beter than Sharper, will hold the SS position down with Mike Doss who is extremely familiar with the system coming from indianapolis.

Winfield bucked a Packers returner so bad last year. It was Morency I think, that was incredible!

[Hines]

steelers will make a run again like they did in 05

but will lose in teh afc championship to super bowl winner patriots

patriots and eagles in super bowl

patriots again beat the **** outta the iggles

and for the number 1 overall pick this year

atlanta falcons and they will select brian brohm ahead of darren mcfadden

[neko4]

Winfield bucked a Packers returner so bad last year. It was Morency I think, that was incredible!

Forgot it, it doesnt matter what I say, or what yall say

[BuckNaked]

Forgot it, it doesnt matter what I say, or what yall say

Why? Because you know i'm right?

[duckseason]

I don't see why the Vikings don't get more respect for that insanely sick run d.

[TheChampIsHere]

You obviously didn't watch the Vikings at all last year. Our defense is definitely better than the Packers defense. How can you say we had one of the worst linebacker units in the league when E.J. Henderson had a breakout year, Ben Leber was a very constant and steady leader of that unit and Chad Greenway will be returning from injury to take the place of Napolean Harris? Our secondary is better than average. Antoine Winfield is a force to be reckoned with and now that Cedric Griffin has a year under his belt, he will perform at a high level. Not to mention, we got rid of Fred Smoot and replaced him with Marcus McCauley who can step in right away and play nickel for us. Sharper is still not a great fit for the cover 2 defense, but manages to play very well. Dwight Smith, who in my opinion played beter than Sharper, will hold the SS position down with Mike Doss who is extremely familiar with the system coming from indianapolis.

This is obviously not some kind of clear cut thing...Cedric Griffin is decent, Darren Sharper is solid but no longer a standout, Dwight Smith/Mike Doss, neither are great safeties. Its an average secondary. EJ Henderson, Chad Greenway and Ben Leber are players but how many LB units can you honestly say are worse? Theres no clear cut answer with two defenses who are very close, I like the Packers more but an argument could be made for the Vikings.

[duckseason]

This is obviously not some kind of clear cut thing...Cedric Griffin is decent, Darren Sharper is solid but no longer a standout, Dwight Smith/Mike Doss, neither are great safeties. Its an average secondary. EJ Henderson, Chad Greenway and Ben Leber are players but how many LB units can you honestly say are worse? Theres no clear cut answer with two defenses who are very close, I like the Packers more but an argument could be made for the Vikings.

I agree. There's no right answer. Only preferences and opinions. We're not comparing the Patriots to the Bengals here. And even if we were, the true difference in overall strength wouldn't be as great as people would make it seem. This is the NFL.

[TitleTown088]

Winfield bucked a Packers returner so bad last year. It was Morency I think, that was incredible!

Yeah, he sure did when Morency hurdling was helplessly in midair........ By the way, what did Winfield do later that game? Oh yeah, he gave up the big 40 yard pass to RUVELL MARTIN that led to the game winning FG. I know I'll catch crap from many about this, but I honestly believe Winfield is one of the more overrated Cbs in the NFC. He's great at tackling after the catch and in run support, but his cover game is close to average.

[neko4]

Why? Because you know i'm right?
No because, what I said was right, oh and we beat yall twice this year.

Forgot it, it doesnt matter what I say, or what yall say

I agree. There's no right answer. Only preferences and opinions. We're not comparing the Patriots to the Bengals here. And even if we were, the true difference in overall strength wouldn't be as great as people would make it seem. This is the NFL.

[duckseason]

Yeah, he sure did when Morency hurdling was helplessly in midair........ By the way, what did Winfield do later that game? Oh yeah, he gave up the big 40 yard pass to RUVELL MARTIN that led to the game winning FG. I know I'll catch crap from many about this, but I honestly believe Winfield is one of the more overrated Cbs in the NFC. He's great at tackling after the catch and in run support, but his cover game is close to average.

I disagree. Even Champ Bailey has been burned on many occasions. Winfield is solid. It's always tough for us fans to accurately rate CB's, but I see no reason to place Winfield's name on any overrated lists.

[neko4]

I disagree. Even Champ Bailey has been burned on many occasions. Winfield is solid. It's always tough for us fans to accurately rate CB's, but I see no reason to place Winfield's name on any overrated lists.

He got burned by RUVELL MARTIN!
Not Chad Johnson

[duckseason]

He got burned by RUVELL MARTIN!
Not Chad Johnson

Are you aware that there is more to a pass play than just "ok, it's me against you, let's see who's faster?" I didn't see that play, so I can't really make a valid comment, but sometimes there are factors that are just out of the CB's hands. Let's just keep that in mind. For all I know, Antoine may have played that play perfectly. But hey, I'm no Vikings fan, and I don't think Winfield is the better player between he and Champ. Every CB gets burned on occasion though, which was my point. Why was Antoine defending Martin in the first place? I think I missed that game. Was it straight up man coverage?

[soybean]

Bears 10-6
Packers 8-8
Vikings 7-9
Lions 6-10

wow... bold.

Calvin Johnson will be good but not some kind of messiah, especially in Detroit, kinda like andre johnson.

Arizona makes the playoffs.

[PACKmanN]

You sir, are a delusional homer. I guess it's up for debate which defense is actually the better unit overall, but those who know football laugh at the statement that the Packers D is far better than that of the Vikings. I'd put them on a similar level, but give the obvious nod to the Vikes. Although stats aren't the end all, and last year is certainly not a definitive barometer of a teams current strength, let's take a look. The Vikings had the #1 rush defense. BY FAR. They didn't even allow 1000 yards rushing on the year. That is just plain sick. They allowed a measly 2.8 yards per rush. That is what a solid defense is all about. You know how many first downs they gave up on the ground? 53. The Packers? 95. As a matter of fact, your Packers gave up nearly twice the rush yards as those boys in Minnesota. 1825 to 985. Your Packers do indeed have the edge when it comes to Pass defense, but it's not nearly as pronounced as the difference found between the play up front. Minnesota gave up more yards, but not as many TD's. You guys get the edge when it comes to the pass rush, as well. Which may have something to do with the yardage total. For my money, I'll take the stout run defense. But, I wouldn't sit here and claim either unit to be far superior to the other. This is the NFL. Both defenses are a short notch above average, imo. Looking around the league, neither really has much to brag about. Although the Vikes run D is quite impressive.

The first part is so funny. Why would teams run it on a defense when they have so much success passing the ball? they still haven't address there needs for a pass rusher so they still have no one who can and has gotten to the qb. We may had problems stopping the run but thats when KGB was a starter and he not even worth talking about. We also drafted Justin Harrell who if can become even close to all of those great DT that came out from Tenn I see no problem of us stopping the run.

I like the fact that Pat Williams and Kevin Williams who wont move when they see the run but they cant/wont will games for them. They don't really have a talented LBer just 2 ok guys and one guy who hasn't smelled Sunday yet.

Winfield is good but lets not get over our heads and say they have better players at CB then us. Al Harris=Winfield, Woodson>Griffen and Blackmon=McCauley.

Sharper is done and they bring in Doss who has had his problems with coverage. Smith is good but Collins has the skills to become a better player.

[neko4]

Are you aware that there is more to a pass play than just "ok, it's me against you, let's see who's faster?" I didn't see that play, so I can't really make a valid comment, but sometimes there are factors that are just out of the CB's hands. Let's just keep that in mind. For all I know, Antoine may have played that play perfectly. But hey, I'm no Vikings fan, and I don't think Winfield is the better player between he and Champ. Every CB gets burned on occasion though, which was my point. Why was Antoine defending Martin in the first place? I think I missed that game. Was it straight up man coverage?

Yes I do understand that, but clearly Green Bay did something on that play better than Minnesota's efforts

[duckseason]

The first part is so funny. Why would teams run it on a defense when they have so much success passing the ball? they still haven't address there needs for a pass rusher so they still have no one who can and has gotten to the qb. We may had problems stopping the run but thats when KGB was a starter and he not even worth talking about. We also drafted Justin Harrell who if can become even close to all of those great DT that came out from Tenn I see no problem of us stopping the run.

I like the fact that Pat Williams and Kevin Williams who wont move when they see the run but they cant/wont will games for them. They don't really have a talented LBer just 2 ok guys and one guy who hasn't smelled Sunday yet.

Winfield is good but lets not get over our heads and say they have better players at CB then us. Al Harris=Winfield, Woodson>Griffen and Blackmon=McCauley.

Sharper is done and they bring in Doss who has had his problems with coverage. Smith is good but Collins has the skills to become a better player.

Wow. Are you serious? So you're minimizing their great run defense by saying teams would rather pass? You're misreading the stats. It's more likely that teams realized they would only achieve 2.8 per carry on the ground, and were forced to pass. We all know that wise teams choose to run first. If you can run the ball, you stick with it and pound it down your opponents' throat. Just give them their proper respect and stop oozing homerade all over everybody's screen. It's not like your Packers faired much better against the pass anyway. Other than your sack total, it's a push. They allowed more yards, you guys allowed more TD's. And I never said they had better CB's than you.

[etk]

The first part is so funny. Why would teams run it on a defense when they have so much success passing the ball? they still haven't address there needs for a pass rusher so they still have no one who can and has gotten to the qb. We may had problems stopping the run but thats when KGB was a starter and he not even worth talking about. We also drafted Justin Harrell who if can become even close to all of those great DT that came out from Tenn I see no problem of us stopping the run.

I like the fact that Pat Williams and Kevin Williams who wont move when they see the run but they cant/wont will games for them. They don't really have a talented LBer just 2 ok guys and one guy who hasn't smelled Sunday yet.

Winfield is good but lets not get over our heads and say they have better players at CB then us. Al Harris=Winfield, Woodson>Griffen and Blackmon=McCauley.

Sharper is done and they bring in Doss who has had his problems with coverage. Smith is good but Collins has the skills to become a better player.

1) Nothing you say makes sense. Your English is unreadable.

2) You're almost as bad of a Packers homer as you are a PS3 fanboy. I could be wrong though because your English is so poor that I might be misreading your post.

[duckseason]

Yes I do understand that, but clearly Green Bay did something on that play better than Minnesota's efforts
Yes, but stick with the topic. I merely pointed out that everybody, including the best, gets burned from time to time and that one play doesn't define Winfield's ability. He is a solid CB, is all I was saying. Hey, I respect your Packers just as much as I respect the Vikings. I'm just trying to inject a dose of reality to this homerfest.

[neko4]

Green Bay had 2 more INT's and 16 more sacks
And Minny was 32nd against the pass

[soybean]

this thread has been hijacked.

[duckseason]

Green Bay had 2 more INT's and 16 more sacks
And Minny was 32nd against the pass

Yes, they gave up more yards. I already said that. But part of that can be attributed to the fact that teams were often forced into throwing- more so than against any other team when factoring in strength of run defense. I'm not touting the Vikes pass D as anything special. I'm merely pointing out that it wasn't much worse than that of the Packers. I think TD's allowed is more important than yards anyway. Who wins there? Like I said earlier, the disparity between these 2 pass defenses is nowhere near that of the 2 run defenses. And that's why I like Minny's d a bit more than the Packers'. Although, I am fully aware that the Packers could surpass them soon. Like I said, this is the NFL.

[etk]

this thread has been hijacked.

Every thread gets hijacked. It's human nature.

[TitleTown088]

Are you aware that there is more to a pass play than just "ok, it's me against you, let's see who's faster?" I didn't see that play, so I can't really make a valid comment, but sometimes there are factors that are just out of the CB's hands. Let's just keep that in mind. For all I know, Antoine may have played that play perfectly. But hey, I'm no Vikings fan, and I don't think Winfield is the better player between he and Champ. Every CB gets burned on occasion though, which was my point. Why was Antoine defending Martin in the first place? I think I missed that game. Was it straight up man coverage? It was the Thursday night game at Lambeau. It was straight up man, Favre audied to the Ruvey, and Ruvell put the burners ( wait he dosen't have burners?) on Winfeld for the completion. That is really beside the point though. I'm not basing my doubts of him off being burned once, I just am not overly impressed with the guys coverage skills, and I think some fans over appreciate them, that's all.
I realize I'm probably going to get ripped apart for being the typical Packers Homer when it comes to Green bay corners, but in my opinion Woodson and Harris are both far more complete players than any Viking corner, including winfield.

[duckseason]

It was the Thursday night game at Lambeau. It was straight up man, Favre audied to the Ruvey, and Ruvell put the burners ( wait he dosen't have burners?) on Winfeld for the completion. That is really beside the point though. I'm not basing my doubts of him off being burned once, I just am not overly impressed with the guys coverage skills, and I think some fans over appreciate them, that's all.
I realize I'm probably going to get ripped apart for being the typical Packers Homer when it comes to Green bay corners, but in my opinion Woodson and Harris are both far more complete players than any Viking corner, including winfield.

Ok, well I can respect that. Like I said- I, and the vast majority of fans aren't really in a position to accurately rank the various corners around the league. I like what I have seen from Winfield though. But I do like Woodson and Harris as well. I'd have a hard time ranking them.

[neko4]

Oh I forgot:
Mike Tomlin is gone

And its one thing to force teams to throw, but being last in the league?

[duckseason]

Oh I forgot:
Mike Tomlin is gone

I think that holds more validity than anything else you've said regarding their D. Good point.

[Hines]

I think that holds more validity than anything else you've said regarding their D. Good point.

i think coach t is gonna be one hell of a coach and has gained respect of the steelers very early for such a young coach..i hope he stays here for a long time

[iloxygenil]

The Joey Harrington led Atlanta Falcons finish 9-7 and narrowly miss a playoff birth. Jamaal Anderson is in the running for DROY (top 5) and has more sacks than Gaines Adams. Jerious Norwood will break 1000 yards(receiving and rushing)...in the first 10 games of the Falcons schedule.

The Tampa Bay Bucs will end up 10-6 and win the NFC South...even though they have the worst team.

[neko4]

i think coach t is gonna be one hell of a coach and has gained respect of the steelers very early for such a young coach..i hope he stays here for a long time

Im rootn for him, hes from 757, VA

[duckseason]

And its one thing to force teams to throw, but being last in the league?
Being last in yards allowed and having the worst pass defense are two different things. People can manipulate stats however they see fit. Many stats are meaningless unless they are looked at through the proper lenses. In reality, the Packers pass defense didn't fare much better. Better, yes. But nothing to brag about like the Vikings can with their impressive run d.

[duckseason]

i think coach t is gonna be one hell of a coach and has gained respect of the steelers very early for such a young coach..i hope he stays here for a long time

Yeah, after watching a few interviews with him, I'm a big fan. I expect to see a long tenure of him in Pittsburgh, much like their past coaches. Great hire from where I sit.

[Hines]

Yeah, after watching a few interviews with him, I'm a big fan. I expect to see a long tenure of him in Pittsburgh, much like their past coaches. Great hire from where I sit.

all i have to say is alan fanaca is making a big mistake leaving us because if not this year,next year we will be contending for a title again

and that is imo

[KILLERSANTA]

im calling peyton manning tearing an acl in the preseason and the colts will then go 1-15 in the regular season.

If Manning goes down, No way the colts win that many games.....

.................................................. ..........................

Joey Harrington will Throw atleast 5 more TD's then picks.......

Superbowl - Cowboys 24 - Colts 21 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)

[neko4]

If Manning goes down, No way the colts win that many games.....

.................................................. ..........................

Joey Harrington will Throw atleast 5 more TD's then picks.......

Superbowl - Cowboys 24 - Colts 21 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)

Wow they call us Pack fans homers

[TitleTown088]

Ok, well I can respect that. Like I said- I, and the vast majority of fans aren't really in a position to accurately rank the various corners around the league. I like what I have seen from Winfield though. But I do like Woodson and Harris as well. I'd have a hard time ranking them.

Yeah, don't get me wrong, He's a solid corner, but I just doubt his coverage skills like I said before. And you're right that I'm no Kiper evaluating him either, just my perspective from what I gather from the casual fans perspective.

[duckseason]

Regarding Packers D vs Vikings D- It all boils down to the fact that the Vikes allowed 24 TD's compared to 37 for the Pack. I rest my case. We'll see if the Packers can close that gap this year. Should be some great games between these 2.

[neko4]

Regarding Packers D vs Vikings D- It all boils down to the fact that the Vikes allowed 24 TD's compared to 37 for the Pack. I rest my case. We'll see if the Packers can close that gap this year. Should be some great games between these 2.

That could deal more w/ field position for all we know, and that would deal with special teams and if you really want to talk about the two teams as a whole we can

[duckseason]

That could deal more w/ field position for all we know, and that would deal with special teams and if you really want to talk about the two teams as a whole we can
Of course it has to do with field position and other things. But that doesn't explain a 13 TD differential. That's almost a TD per game. I never said the Vikes were far superior, just that I thought they had the better defense. I think my argument is a bit stronger than anything you've brought up.

[duckseason]

It's interesting how a 500 yard passing yardage difference holds weight with you, but a difference of 13 TD's doesn't. Oh, and I'm pretty sure you guys had the better ST last year, right? Yeah, I just checked. You guys had better coverage numbers on both Kickoffs and Punts. 22.5/23.2 and 9.1/9.7
Also, didn't you guys have the superior offense? Which defense was really at an advantage through factors out of it's control?

[BlindSite]

Yes, they gave up more yards. I already said that. But part of that can be attributed to the fact that teams were often forced into throwing- more so than against any other team when factoring in strength of run defense. I'm not touting the Vikes pass D as anything special. I'm merely pointing out that it wasn't much worse than that of the Packers. I think TD's allowed is more important than yards anyway. Who wins there? Like I said earlier, the disparity between these 2 pass defenses is nowhere near that of the 2 run defenses. And that's why I like Minny's d a bit more than the Packers'. Although, I am fully aware that the Packers could surpass them soon. Like I said, this is the NFL.

WORST IN THE LEAGUE

it really is that simple.

[Hines]

division predictions plus playoffs

nfc:
east-eagles
north-bears
south-saints
west-rams
wc-cardinals
wc-panthers

playoffs:

wc playoffs:
rams over cards
panthers over saints

divisional playoffs:
bears over rams
eagles over panthers

conference champs:
eagles over bears

afc

east-patriots
north-ravens
south-colts
west-chargers
wc-steelers
wc-jaguars

playoffs:

wc:
steelers over ravens
chargers over jaguars

divisional:
steelers over colts
patriots over chargers

conference:
patriots over steelers

super bowl:
patriots over eagles

this is just my opinion so dont bash me too much

[duckseason]

WORST IN THE LEAGUE

it really is that simple.

Perhaps for the blind and simple minded. Yes, they gave up the most total pass yards last year. But they also defended more passes per game than anybody. Their yards given up per pass were quite average at 6.37
That number is more indicative of who has the worst pass defense. As are TD's allowed.
Also, the Bengals actually gave up the exact same amount of yards as the Vikings, a higher completion percentage, more yards per attempt, more TD's, and had less INT's. WORST IN THE LEAGUE. It's definitely not that simple once you look at things for what they really are.

[duckseason]

In reality, there were many teams with a worse pass defense than that of the Vikings, statistically speaking.

[HerthaFootballFan]

off my friend's myspace for the giants

Sep 9 @Dallas 8:15pm
I think we won't start the season hot and we'll struggle in our opening day loss to dallas, although I personally don't think Wade Phillips is much of a head coach and I have questions about how their Oline will gel, but those quality running backs and D should be enough to beat us.
0-1

Sep 16 Green Bay 1:00pm
Our first win will come in our first home game, while Green Bay has a great future along the oline and on the defensive side of the ball, on Offense I'm not sold on Morency at all and Favre can only throw Jennings and Driver so many bullets before bad things happen.
1-1

Sep 23 @Washington 4:15pm
I really like our chances against a washington team that still won't be good against the pass or have the size up front to stuff Brandon Jacobs, Fletcher will help but with his age he has lost some mobility and so may still be getting comfortable in Greg Williams' scheme.
2-1

Sep 30 Philadelphia 8:15pm
I got no idea on this one, they have a better oline, more explosive running game and a better QB, but I still don't think they have the size on D to stop Jacobs and so Jacobs should help free up Eli to find Plax and Sinorice deep. So I'm leaning philly but if we pulled it out I wouldn't be shocked.
2-2

Oct 7 N.Y. Jets 1:00pm
I like the jets a lot but their defense still has to rush the passer better and on O they've gotta keep Pennington upright, Osi and Strahan on the edges may be too much for D'Brickashaw and Clements. With us on O i think that Shockey should have a big day.
2-3

Oct 15 @Atlanta 8:30pm
We should beat the falcons and their smaller, speedier defense, but their offense should be terrible.
3-3

Oct 21 San Francisco 1:00pm
Personally I still feel the 9ers are a year away. On defense I think that Nate Clements is by far the most over-rated CB in the league, judging by his monster contract, he isn't nearly as good at sticking to receivers as you'd think. The defense also is somewhat lacking along the defensive line and safety is still a big concern. On O i think that their RBs will be very successful next year but I could see AP and our front 7 really slow Gore which would make Alex Smith win the game and with Jackson being inconsistent and Davis being raw he might not be ready to carry them, even against our poor pass D.
4-3

Oct 28 @Miami (London) 12:00pm
Miami is easily one of the weaker teams in the league as their Oline is simply atrocious despite having gifted youngsters. Ronnie Brown needs to show his top 5 skills this year or face the bust label and Green will be a sitting duck behind this oline. I think Ginn will be a deadly returner but I don't expect too much from him this year so I'd say the easiest win on our schedule.0
5-3

Nov 11 Dallas 4:15pm
We should know by this time if we're really in a bad way or not, I'll just assume a loss though since I think Ware could make Diehl look foolish and I dunno if Ross and Webster will be able to stick with Glenn and TO long enough for Osi and Strahan to knock out Romo.
5-4

Nov 18 @Detroit 4:15pm
Detroit is a team really turning themselves around, but if the interior oline doesn't improve and KJ prove himself as a runner this team could be seriously crippled at keeping possession. On D they have a lot of young guys but overall they're just not good enough yet. Shockey and Plax will make their secondary look silly.
6-4

Nov 25 Minnesota 1:00pm
I like Travaris Jackson but if the Minnesota oline doesn't gel he could be in for a terrible season. Hopefully for him they do gel. If the oline settles Minnesota could be a playoff team despite lacking big play ability on offense, which is good given our secondary's anticipated aptitude to give up the big play. When on O it'll be tough to move the ball for Brandon Jacobs and the running game against the Vikings DTs. This'll be a close fought game but eventually i think our big play ability will be the difference.
7-4

Dec 2 @Chicago 4:15pm
Unless the oline gels completely and the defense can get pressure from all over this game won't be close. If those things do happen we have a shot to wear down the bears run d with Jacobs and Droughns but I wouldn't bet on it.
7-5

Dec 9 @Philadelphia 1:00pm
At Philly in december? I have questions about the eagles run d and receivers but I'm still betting on the iggles to beat us.
7-6

Dec 16 Washington 8:15pm
I just don't see the skins being very good with no pass rush on D. Cambell is a great young QB in the making, but I just don't think he's savvy enough to figure out how to work best with his smallish receivers. Jacobs should rack up big time yardage in this game.
8-6

Dec 23 @Buffalo 1:00pm
I'll hopefully be at this game as I'm going to move to buffalo soon and should be getting season tickets so I'll get to see first hand how the young bills develop and if they can beat my beloved giants. It should be a good game as I expect the Bills to be dangerous late in the season with losman to Evans going smoother, the oline gelling more and Lynch gaining experience. On D they still need a top DE IMO, but they should be scrappy and make this a good winter game.
9-6

Dec 29 New England 8:15pm
I really hope we don't need a win here because we're probably lossing this game.
9-7

Overall Record: 9-7
But we could easily win or loss 2-3 more games depending on Eli's raising to leader status, Diehl's transition to LT, Jacobs reaction to his new work load, and the defenses ability to create pressure before holes in coverage appear.

[duckseason]

/\ not bad. Sounds pretty damn reasonable to me.

[neko4]

Dec 16 Washington 8:15pm
I just don't see the skins being very good with no pass rush on D. Cambell is a great young QB in the making, but I just don't think he's savvy enough to figure out how to work best with his smallish receivers. Jacobs should rack up big time yardage in this game.

The only thing people point out when they talk about WAS is Jason Campbell and the DL. But Campbell played great, and showed good poise and leadership last year. And the DL doesnt form the whole defense
Overall, okay, but there is ofcourse one thing i completely disagree w/.

[etk]

The Joey Harrington led Atlanta Falcons finish 9-7 and narrowly miss a playoff birth. Jamaal Anderson is in the running for DROY (top 5) and has more sacks than Gaines Adams. Jerious Norwood will break 1000 yards(receiving and rushing)...in the first 10 games of the Falcons schedule.

The Tampa Bay Bucs will end up 10-6 and win the NFC South...even though they have the worst team.

I was about to call you a homer for thinking the Falcons will finish with a positive record. You're clearly not a homer, you're just genuinely blind. The two worst teams in the division finishing with 19 wins? Chalk that up as the next sign of the apocalypse. We will not win 10 games with our talent and coaching; 10 miracles will not happen this year.

[HerthaFootballFan]

The only thing people point out when they talk about WAS is Jason Campbell and the DL. But Campbell played great, and showed good poise and leadership last year. And the DL doesnt form the whole defense
Overall, okay, but there is ofcourse one thing i completely disagree w/.

Eli showed great poise and leadership aswell, see Denver game from start of his career, however until a QB shows that for 16 games I question him. And defense starts on the Defensive Line, there is where you stop the run and pressure the passer, no matter how good the secondary with no pass rush they are useless.

[Windy]

I guess i'll keep with the theme that has been going on here.http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/images/icons/icon12.gif

Raiders 16-0

McCown 31 TDs 8 INTs

Russell 8 TDs 0 INTs

Jordan 2200 Yards Rushing 15 TDs

Rhodes 850 Yards Rushing 8 TDs

Gallery 3,924 Pancake Blocks

Burgess 18 Sacks

Asomugha 7 INTs 5 TDs

SeaBass 39-39 FGs Long Of 68

[BuckNaked]

I guess i'll keep with the theme that has been going on here.http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/images/icons/icon12.gif

Raiders 16-0

McCown 31 TDs 8 INTs

Russell 8 TDs 0 INTs

Jordan 2200 Yards Rushing 15 TDs

Rhodes 850 Yards Rushing 8 TDs

Gallery 3,924 Pancake Blocks

Burgess 18 Sacks

Asomugha 7 INTs 5 TDs

SeaBass 39-39 FGs Long Of 68

At least Gallery's pancake numbers look accurate.

[neko4]

I guess i'll keep with the theme that has been going on here.http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/images/icons/icon12.gif

Raiders 16-0

McCown 31 TDs 8 INTs



For the record, Ive always been a McCown fan

[BlindSite]

Perhaps for the blind and simple minded. Yes, they gave up the most total pass yards last year. But they also defended more passes per game than anybody. Their yards given up per pass were quite average at 6.37
That number is more indicative of who has the worst pass defense. As are TD's allowed.
Also, the Bengals actually gave up the exact same amount of yards as the Vikings, a higher completion percentage, more yards per attempt, more TD's, and had less INT's. WORST IN THE LEAGUE. It's definitely not that simple once you look at things for what they really are.

Your team lost more than one game because they couldn't establish field position. With an offense that was inept as minnesota's last year they needed the defense to step up more often. Giving up the highest amount of yardage in the season makes them way, way worse than you're claiming.

Everyone focuses on scoring defense but forget about how important field position is in this game.

[duckseason]

Your team lost more than one game because they couldn't establish field position. With an offense that was inept as minnesota's last year they needed the defense to step up more often. Giving up the highest amount of yardage in the season makes them way, way worse than you're claiming.

Everyone focuses on scoring defense but forget about how important field position is in this game.

I'm not a Vikings fan.
And no, giving up the most total passing yards does not make them worse than I'm claiming. In fact, all I've claimed is that they aren't the worst pass defense in the league, and that they are on a similar level to the Packers. Like I said, there are many indicators which hold much more validity than TOTAL pass yards given up. Such as pass yards per attempt. When you have a run defense that is only giving up 2.8 yards per rush, teams are going to feel immense pressure to throw the ball. And that's what happened. This is where the most passes defended comes in. See, a better indicator when speaking of pass defense and yardage, would be yards per attempt. There were many teams who gave up more yards per attempt, many teams who gave up more TD's, a higher completion %, many teams who had less sacks.....etc

All I'm saying here is that they certainly weren't the worst pass defense out there this season. You'll need to come with a lot more than total pass yards given up to refute that. Just ONE of the numerous stats I've posted trumps your total yardage stat. The Vikings pass d was middle of the pack last year. Mediocre, not horrible. Kinda tough for them to be "way, way worse" than that.

[trkaline]

Wouldn't you love to have the Ravens number one defense in the league?

[duckseason]

Wouldn't you love to have the Ravens number one defense in the league?

I'm pretty happy with what we have in Dallas, but yeah the Ravens are beastly. I'm also interested to see how dominant the Pats will be this year.

[trkaline]

Man the Pat's got Adalius Thomas there gonna be nice wit the D...now there Offense dont get me started on them wit Stallworth and Moss? thats just unfair..Damn I hate the Pats....

[PACKmanN]

I'm pretty happy with what we have in Dallas, but yeah the Ravens are beastly. I'm also interested to see how dominant the Pats will be this year.

I have to give alot of credit to the front office for supplying the players and getting DC that are HC after spending 2-3 years with them. Where are they finding these coaches. I like there DB coach a lot.

[SuperMcgee]

Dec 23 @Buffalo 1:00pm
I'll hopefully be at this game as I'm going to move to buffalo soon and should be getting season tickets so I'll get to see first hand how the young bills develop and if they can beat my beloved giants. It should be a good game as I expect the Bills to be dangerous late in the season with losman to Evans going smoother, the oline gelling more and Lynch gaining experience. On D they still need a top DE IMO, but they should be scrappy and make this a good winter game.
9-6


Aaron Schobel, as well as some great depth. It's possibly our strongest position not on special teams, although the left side ends can sometimes have a little trouble against the run, but their main focus is the pass rush and they've done well.

[PalmerToCJ]

I predict Marvin Lewis and Romeo Crennel get fired by the end of the year.

Zero chance Marvin is gone, unless we go have a losing record with Carson being healthy which won't happen.

Our owner is Mike Brown, he's hung with MUCH MUCH worse coaches than Marvin for MUCH MUCH longer. Besides, Marvin has never had a losing record and only had a team that underachieved once and 2 that overachieved. Years like last year happen (see San Diego 2005). Mike Brown even came out and publicly said that Marvin is not the least bit on the hot seat and he's been out of the public eye since Marvin was hired.

[trkaline]

My prediction is that next year im gonna have a ham and cheese sandwich on december 11th check back for confirmation....

[kalbears13]

Wrote this back in march...

Jamarcus Russell will be a huge bust. Will go in history as worse than Tim Couch.
Brady Quinn will be almost as good as Tom Brady.
Adrian Peterson will have 2 good years and then will get hit by injury after injury, ruining his career.
Trent Edwards will be great.
Marshawn Lynch will be like Ricky Williams.
The Cleveland Browns go on a run like the Patriots now.
The New England Patriots go on a run like the Browns now.
Oakland will be horrible for at least 2 more seasons.
the Chargers go like 4-12 next year but the year after that go 14-2.
The whole Bengals team except for Carson Palmer gets busted in a drug raid.
The Ravens are moved to Alaska where they go 16-0.
The Steelers will be known as the "Silk Curtain"
Tom Brady has 15 kids. with names: Tom, Thomas, Tommy, TB, Girl Tom, Girl Tommy, Girl Tommy etc.
So does Matt Leinart (Except with Matt, Matty, ML, Girl Matt, etc.).
John Madden dies in a mysterious plane to bus collision.
Brett Favre plays until he's 84.
Tim Couch makes a comeback and wins 5 superbowls.
Eli Manning is traded to the Colts and they run a duel QB formation.
Jerry Rice comes back and plays for the Raiders. He becomes a pro-bowler.
Jeff Smardija(pardon my spelling) plays Baseball/Football/Basketball/Tennis/Hockey/Cricket and becomes in All-Star in all of them.
I play for the Oakland Raiders some day through a lottery Al Davis has when he's 247 years old and they haven't won a game since they had Rich Gannon IV playing for them.

[trkaline]

Wrote this back in march...

Jamarcus Russell will be a huge bust. Will go in history as worse than Tim Couch.
Brady Quinn will be almost as good as Tom Brady.
Adrian Peterson will have 2 good years and then will get hit by injury after injury, ruining his career.
Trent Edwards will be great.
Marshawn Lynch will be like Ricky Williams.
The Cleveland Browns go on a run like the Patriots now.
The New England Patriots go on a run like the Browns now.
Oakland will be horrible for at least 2 more seasons.
the Chargers go like 4-12 next year but the year after that go 14-2.
The whole Bengals team except for Carson Palmer gets busted in a drug raid.
The Ravens are moved to Alaska where they go 16-0.
The Steelers will be known as the "Silk Curtain"
Tom Brady has 15 kids. with names: Tom, Thomas, Tommy, TB, Girl Tom, Girl Tommy, Girl Tommy etc.
So does Matt Leinart (Except with Matt, Matty, ML, Girl Matt, etc.).
John Madden dies in a mysterious plane to bus collision.
Brett Favre plays until he's 84.
Tim Couch makes a comeback and wins 5 superbowls.
Eli Manning is traded to the Colts and they run a duel QB formation.
Jerry Rice comes back and plays for the Raiders. He becomes a pro-bowler.
Jeff Smardija(pardon my spelling) plays Baseball/Football/Basketball/Tennis/Hockey/Cricket and becomes in All-Star in all of them.
I play for the Oakland Raiders some day through a lottery Al Davis has when he's 247 years old and they haven't won a game since they had Rich Gannon IV playing for them.

With the many problems I should have with this post the major one is the one aout the browns goin on a run like the Patriots..I hate the Browns with every Ounce of my being.....And how u doin?

[kalbears13]

With the many problems I should have with this post the major one is the one aout the browns goin on a run like the Patriots..I hate the Browns with every Ounce of my being.....And how u doin?

I'm doing fine, thanks for asking.

[Aftermath]

I guess i'll keep with the theme that has been going on here.http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/images/icons/icon12.gif

Raiders 16-0

McCown 31 TDs 8 INTs

Russell 8 TDs 0 INTs

Jordan 2200 Yards Rushing 15 TDs

Rhodes 850 Yards Rushing 8 TDs

Gallery 3,924 Pancake Blocks

Burgess 18 Sacks

Asomugha 7 INTs 5 TDs

SeaBass 39-39 FGs Long Of 68

Maybe 3,924 pancakes eaten....

[neko4]

Wrote this back in march...

Jamarcus Russell will be a huge bust. Will go in history as worse than Tim Couch.
Brady Quinn will be almost as good as Tom Brady.
Adrian Peterson will have 2 good years and then will get hit by injury after injury, ruining his career.
Trent Edwards will be great.
Marshawn Lynch will be like Ricky Williams.
The Cleveland Browns go on a run like the Patriots now.
The New England Patriots go on a run like the Browns now.
Oakland will be horrible for at least 2 more seasons.
the Chargers go like 4-12 next year but the year after that go 14-2.
The whole Bengals team except for Carson Palmer gets busted in a drug raid.
The Ravens are moved to Alaska where they go 16-0.
The Steelers will be known as the "Silk Curtain"
Tom Brady has 15 kids. with names: Tom, Thomas, Tommy, TB, Girl Tom, Girl Tommy, Girl Tommy etc.
So does Matt Leinart (Except with Matt, Matty, ML, Girl Matt, etc.).
John Madden dies in a mysterious plane to bus collision.
Brett Favre plays until he's 84.
Tim Couch makes a comeback and wins 5 superbowls.
Eli Manning is traded to the Colts and they run a duel QB formation.
Jerry Rice comes back and plays for the Raiders. He becomes a pro-bowler.
Jeff Smardija(pardon my spelling) plays Baseball/Football/Basketball/Tennis/Hockey/Cricket and becomes in All-Star in all of them.
I play for the Oakland Raiders some day through a lottery Al Davis has when he's 247 years old and they haven't won a game since they had Rich Gannon IV playing for them.


I bolded things that could happen :)
and some people have been calling couch the next maddox

[trkaline]

I bolded things that could happen :)
and some people have been calling couch the next maddox

Tim Couch is always gonna be one of them players you see in the NFL and wonder why hes there, it's like seeing a paraplegic at a shoe store it just doesnt make sense....

[mcdlaxbonz13]

Tim Couch is always gonna be one of them players you see in the NFL and wonder why hes there, it's like seeing a paraplegic at a shoe store it just doesnt make sense....

maybe he is buying shoes for someone else

[HerthaFootballFan]

Aaron Schobel, as well as some great depth. It's possibly our strongest position not on special teams, although the left side ends can sometimes have a little trouble against the run, but their main focus is the pass rush and they've done well.

Schobel is very good, but on the other side they could upgrade much, Hargrove is unlikely to put it together and while the other guys are nice hard workers, they're not top caliber pass rushers, and in today's game you need top caliber pass rushers.

[trkaline]

maybe he is buying shoes for someone else

Touche.......

[neko4]

If Green Bay either has a locked playoff position, or are out of the race, Rodgers will start week 17

[neko4]

Stat Predictions
GB:
Favre: 3800YDS 24TD's 18INT's
Rodgers: 150YDS 1TD

Morency: 900YDS 7TD 200RECYDS
Jackson: 550YDS 3TD 400RECYDS 2RECTD
Herron: 200YDS 2TD 50RECYDS
Miree: 50RECYDS

Driver: 1150YDS 8TD
Jennings: 900YDS 5TD
Martin: 500YDS 4TD
Jones: 300YDS 2TD
Clowney: 100YDS 1TD
Franks: 200YDS 2TD
Alcorn or Lee: 150YDS 1TD

[draftguru151]

If Green Bay either has a locked playoff position, or are out of the race, Rodgers will start week 17

Start or get in he second play? :/

[trkaline]

maybe he is buying shoes for someone else

How about a paraplegic tryin on running shoes???

[scottyboy]

ok my predictions

the Rams with a new greatest show on turf(Jackson, Holt, Bulger, Bruce, Bennet, Leonard and the best LT in the game in Pace) will win the NFC West.
the giants, with a refreshed and renwed D will win the East...
rookies of the year
O: Brian Leonad; haha kidding-- ima go with Sidney Rice or Craig Davis
D: Aaron Ross or Jamal Anderson
Rushing TD leader- Brandon Jacobs
Yards- Steven Jackson

[Jvig43]

ok my predictions

the Rams with a new greatest show on turf(Jackson, Holt, Bulger, Bruce, Curtis, Leonard and the best LT in the game in Pace) will win the NFC West.
the giants, with a refreshed and renwed D will win the East...
rookies of the year
O: Brian Leonad; haha kidding-- ima go with Sidney Rice or Craig Davis
D: Aaron Ross or Jamal Anderson
Rushing TD leader- Brandon Jacobs
Yards- Steven Jackson

See to me, this sounds much more likely than all the people saying the packers are going to make the playoffs, i say that cause i dont think the giants will come close to winning the division, but seriously, what is it with people saying the packers are playoff bound?

[yodapoop]

ok my predictions

the Rams with a new greatest show on turf(Jackson, Holt, Bulger, Bruce, Curtis, Leonard and the best LT in the game in Pace) will win the NFC West.
the giants, with a refreshed and renwed D will win the East...
rookies of the year
O: Brian Leonad; haha kidding-- ima go with Sidney Rice or Craig Davis
D: Aaron Ross or Jamal Anderson
Rushing TD leader- Brandon Jacobs
Yards- Steven Jackson

I hope ur right. However, it is Drew Bennett, not Curtis, Curtis is now an Eagle, but Bennett is still a good #3. And I could defnlty see that.

[yodapoop]

See to me, this sounds much more likely than all the people saying the packers are going to make the playoffs, i say that cause i dont think the giants will come close to winning the division, but seriously, what is it with people saying the packers are playoff bound?

See, as someone posted the schedule on the past pages, Green Bay could very well end up 4-12, however they could end up 12-4. There are some close games there that could be toss ups. I mean they got two wins with Detroit, a win with Oakland, at least one win against Minnesota. Thats at least 4 games. The game against the Rams is hard to predict. The games against the NFC east are hard to predict. And the ones against Denver and KC are hard. When it is said and done, I see them going 7-9

Wins:Detroit, Detroit, Minnesota, Kansas City, Oakland, Washington, and the Giants.

Losses:Minnesota, Chicago, Chicago, St. Louis, Philly, Dallas, San Diego, Denver, and Carolina.

[23trufant]

Shaun Alexander will get over 1500 yards and 10 tds.

Matt Hasselbeck will pass for just over 25 tds.

DJ Hackett will have 8 tds.

[Dam8610]

AFC:

South: Colts
North: Bengals
East: Patriots
West: Broncos

NFC:

South: Buccaneers
North: Bears
East: Eagles
West: Rams

MVP: Peyton Manning
DPOY: Brian Urlacher
OPOY: LaDainian Tomlinson
OROY: Calvin Johnson
DROY: Paul Posluszny

[yodapoop]

I don't care if the Rams go 1-15, if they beat the Seahawks just once this year, it will be a success.

[trkaline]

I predict Ed Reeds 2nd Defensive Player of the Year Award...

[Sniper]

My predictions

NFC East: Philadelphia
NFC North: Chicago
NFC South: New Orleans
NFC West: St. Louis

AFC East: New England
AFC North: Cincinnati
AFC South: Indianapolis
AFC West: San Diego

[neko4]

See to me, this sounds much more likely than all the people saying the packers are going to make the playoffs, i say that cause i dont think the giants will come close to winning the division, but seriously, what is it with people saying the packers are playoff bound?

Maybe you didnt watch last year, but GB started a handful of rookies and GB still went 8-8, one game out of the playoffs (Damn the Giants!) The rookies have only gotten better making Green Bay solid in most starting positions (SS, HB and TE are concerns, but there is alot of talent and competition at SS and HB)

[Jvig43]

yeah i watched gb last year, im not saying there horrible but i just dont see them making the playoffs....this year anyway. give them two to three more years, but then will Farve still be playing?

[neko4]

yeah i watched gb last year, im not saying there horrible but i just dont see them making the playoffs....this year anyway. give them two to three more years, but then will Farve still be playing?

no he wont be

[HerthaFootballFan]

My predictions

NFC East: Dallas
NFC North: Chicago
NFC South: Carolina
NFC West: Seatle

Wild Card: New York Giants
New Orleans


AFC East: New England
AFC North: Cincinnati
AFC South: Indianapolis
AFC West: San Diego

Wild Card: Baltimore
Jacksonville

[Go_Eagles77]

Brian Westbrook will run for 1,500 yards and recieve for 750.

Reggie Brown will be a 1,000 yard reciever.

Donovan McNabb will not get injured.

The eagles defense will be in the top half of the league in run defense.

Takeo Spikes will surprise everyone and make the probowl.

And the eagles will finish 12-4, win the NFC East and make a deep playoff run.




***This post is homer approved***

[trkaline]

Brian Westbrook will run for 1,500 yards and recieve for 750.

Reggie Brown will be a 1,000 yard reciever.

Donovan McNabb will not get injured.

The eagles defense will be in the top half of the league in run defense.

Takeo Spikes will surprise everyone and make the probowl.

And the eagles will finish 12-4, win the NFC East and make a deep playoff run.




***This post is homer approved***

Donovan Mcnabb not get injured? Thats like saying Krispy Kreme wont make donuts any more... Hes a scrambler and like any scrambler hes reached that point in his career where every off season he'll have like 5 surgerys to get him prepared for the next season...

[etk]

Donovan Mcnabb not get injured? Thats like saying Krispy Kreme wont make donuts any more... Hes a scrambler and like any scrambler hes reached that point in his career where every off season he'll have like 5 surgerys to get him prepared for the next season...

Very ignorant post. McNabb had 41 carries in his last "full" season (15 games). Being a scrambler has nothing to do with injuries. They happen by chance and bad luck, you can't really control them.

[neko4]

Very ignorant post. McNabb had 41 carries in his last "full" season (15 games). Being a scrambler has nothing to do with injuries. They happen by chance and bad luck, you can't really control them.

Yeah he's had bad luck for 3 years now!

[Sniper]

Donovan Mcnabb not get injured? Thats like saying Krispy Kreme wont make donuts any more... Hes a scrambler and like any scrambler hes reached that point in his career where every off season he'll have like 5 surgerys to get him prepared for the next season...

Please refrain from speaking on matters you have no clue about. McNabb never runs anymore, it actually pisses me off because sometimes he will try to force throws instead of scrambling for 8-10 yards. Go_Eagles 77, I really like your predictions :):):)

[trkaline]

Yes I know and I also know he is the most solid scrambling QB out there I just posted that to see what kind of reply id get....

[Crazy_Chris]

I agree Go_eagles77 i think McNabb will stay Healthy and assuming im right i wouldn't be at all surprised to see the eagles go 12-4 and make the superbowl

[Go_Eagles77]

And I thought McNabb has done a good enough job to be classified as a pocket QB, not a scrambler. He has if I'm not mistaken the best TD-Int ratio in NFL history, that doesn't sound like a QB who has to rely on his legs to make plays to me. And as for the injury thing, like etk said it happens by chance, in all of the years he's had a season-ending injury, its been a different type of injury.

[Dcboys94]

Cowboys go 14-2 win the superbowl. Browns go 2-14 cowboys get the 1st and 32 pick. Terry glenn gets injured and Sam Hurd comes in and takes over at WR for the next 12 years. oh and TO Wins OPOY w/ 15 TD catches. J/k kiddin yall but id cry if this all happened its fun to dream though lol.

[Crazy_Chris]

Lol the only part of that i agree on is you getting a high draft pick from the browns

[yodapoop]

Cowboys go 14-2 win the superbowl. Browns go 2-14 cowboys get the 1st and 32 pick. Terry glenn gets injured and Sam Hurd comes in and takes over at WR for the next 12 years. oh and TO Wins OPOY w/ 15 TD catches. J/k kiddin yall but id cry if this all happened its fun to dream though lol.

I'd look for a conspiracy theory if that happened.

[neko4]

Does McNabb have small ankles? That could be the problem seeing as he's pretty big

[trkaline]

I like Mcnabb I do it just sucks circumstantially where hes at the Eagles have never won a superbowl he got them close as hell now this might be feeding into the lore but, they won the championship the year b4 it was called the superbowl id like MCnabb to win one but the odds are against him...

[mcdlaxbonz13]

How about a paraplegic tryin on running shoes???

simple he has the same shoe size as the person he is buying them for