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amag
08-05-2007, 10:39 PM
Priest Holmes, that guy from the Jets (if he even made the team), bentley (if he plays), what about Randy Moss? Or C-pepp? who els am I missing?

neko4
08-05-2007, 10:40 PM
Carson Palmer?
But I hope its Bently

RaiderNation
08-05-2007, 10:43 PM
dante culpepper! no probably mcnabb or ben roethlisberger

amag
08-05-2007, 10:49 PM
Carson Palmer?
But I hope its Bently

Why would Carson get it? He had a pretty good year...

jag
08-05-2007, 10:58 PM
Don't be surprised if Byron Leftwich puts of big number this year.

yo123
08-05-2007, 10:59 PM
Why would Carson get it? He had a pretty good year...


Palmer had a great year. 29 TD's and close to 4000 yards if im not mistaken

yo123
08-05-2007, 10:59 PM
Don't be surprised if Byron Leftwich puts of big number this year.


Dont we hear this every single year?

7-11
08-05-2007, 11:02 PM
Don't be surprised if Byron Leftwich puts of big number this year.

you saying that will not stop me being surprised if Byron does put up big numbers. ill be no less then shocked, his almost pitching style release doesnt work with me

BlindSite
08-05-2007, 11:03 PM
Cpep, Lefty (my pick), fred taylor, Cadillac Williams, McNabb

yo123
08-05-2007, 11:06 PM
why am i hearing so many daunte culpeppers. Do I need to remind you guys who hes playing for? What makes you think hes going to improve?

Beans
08-05-2007, 11:07 PM
chris simms

7-11
08-05-2007, 11:09 PM
randy moss, all he will ever need to succeed is a bit of motivation and drive, it seems like he might have some of that this year

Mr. Stiller
08-05-2007, 11:24 PM
After watching how sharp he was in the pre-season game.. I'm going with Roethlisberger.

I think this is the season he proves critics wrong..

I'm thinking:
3k-3.5k Yards
24-25 Tds
7-10 INTs
99-101 QB Rating.
9.92 YPA Avg.

neko4
08-05-2007, 11:27 PM
David Carr or Jake Delhomme
Shaun Alexander

Gridiron
08-05-2007, 11:28 PM
I sure hope it's Andre Wadsworth! :)

HerthaFootballFan
08-05-2007, 11:47 PM
Osi Umenyiora, he was injured last year and so didn't even come close to his amazing performance the year before, with a more attacking defense and an off season where he's been a weight room freak I wouldn't be surprised to see him have a career year that ends with him being a starter in the probowl. Dunno if he missed enough time last year to qualify though.

soybean
08-05-2007, 11:56 PM
tim couch.

Crazy_Chris
08-05-2007, 11:57 PM
Donavan McNabb, he was having an amazing year last year before the injury and with the recent pickup of Kolb i think he will have a small chip on his shoulder and put up very good numbers this year.

Green Bay Scat
08-05-2007, 11:57 PM
Bubba Franks. you dont have to come back from anything(Drew Brees) just dont suck as much eggs lol

trkaline
08-06-2007, 12:07 AM
tim couch.

Ding gind ding... I think we have a winner for most shocking pick...
If he does sir I may...I really don't know what I'd do...I suppose i'd validate his existence....maybe respect him as a human being...or perhaps a kicker.... yes i'll give him the same respect most fans do a kicker...best I can do....

zoinks
08-06-2007, 12:07 AM
My money is on Moss. Simply put, he's never worked with a QB of Brady's caliber, and the Pats will be throwing the ball a ton.

If he can stay healthy, Moss could end up with 1500+ yards.

bantx
08-06-2007, 12:14 AM
moss just because he has brady throwing to him

PoopSandwich
08-06-2007, 12:21 AM
It wont be Bentley... If he plays it will be midway through the season and I doubt he plays at the level he used to.

PoopSandwich
08-06-2007, 12:22 AM
After watching how sharp he was in the pre-season game.. I'm going with Roethlisberger.

I think this is the season he proves critics wrong..

I'm thinking:
3k-3.5k Yards
24-25 Tds
7-10 INTs
99-101 QB Rating.
9.92 YPA Avg.

Saints secondary sucks ;)

Mr. Stiller
08-06-2007, 12:25 AM
Saints secondary sucks ;)

So does the browns ;)

I still see him being a legit competitor for it.

kalbears13
08-06-2007, 12:27 AM
After watching how sharp he was in the pre-season game.. I'm going with Roethlisberger.

I think this is the season he proves critics wrong..

I'm thinking:
3k-3.5k Yards
24-25 Tds
7-10 INTs
99-101 QB Rating.
9.92 YPA Avg.

He threw 3 passes. You can't really judge a whole season based on 3 passes during a preseason game.

On the first play of the regular season last year Charlie Frye threw a TD pass to Braylon Edwards. That doesn't mean Charlie Frye will have a great year.

draftguru151
08-06-2007, 12:28 AM
After watching how sharp he was in the pre-season game.. I'm going with Roethlisberger.

I think this is the season he proves critics wrong..

I'm thinking:
3k-3.5k Yards
24-25 Tds
7-10 INTs
99-101 QB Rating.
9.92 YPA Avg.

9.92 YPA? Typo? Also if the Steelers throw enough to put up those numbers for yards and TD I don't think 7-10 INTs is realistic, even if he is breaking out, 12-14 seems much more realistic.

I think it will be between Big Ben and Randy Moss. I'd lean Moss right now if he stays healthy just because if he has an above average season he will get more attention for it.

Mr. Stiller
08-06-2007, 12:35 AM
9.92 YPA? Typo? Also if the Steelers throw enough to put up those numbers for yards and TD I don't think 7-10 INTs is realistic, even if he is breaking out, 12-14 seems much more realistic.

I think it will be between Big Ben and Randy Moss. I'd lean Moss right now if he stays healthy just because if he has an above average season he will get more attention for it.

Yea I meant 8.92. He had:

8.88 his first season
8.90 his second season
7.49 his third season.. I think it's not out of the question for him to average over 9 yards an attempt.

PalmerToCJ
08-06-2007, 12:35 AM
9.92 YPA? Typo?

I sure hope so because Manning/Palmer/Brees are all at 8.0 or below.

I'd think Big Ben or Moss take it, maybe Portis or McNabb.

Crazy_Chris
08-06-2007, 12:37 AM
Edit: my bad i was wrong

draftguru151
08-06-2007, 12:40 AM
Yea I meant 9.20. He had:

8.88 his first season
8.90 his second season
7.49 his third season.. I think it's not out of the question for him to average over 9 yards an attempt.

I'm sure those 8+ had something to do with his limited amount of passes. Look at what the starting QBs have in the league, none have above 8. Tom Brady doesn't even have above 7. Over 9 ypa is borderline ridiculous.

draftguru151
08-06-2007, 12:41 AM
I sure hope so because Manning/Palmer/Brees are all at 8.0 or below.

I'd think Big Ben or Moss take it, maybe Portis or McNabb.

I forgot about Portis, I definitely think he can get it too, I expect 1,400 yards from him next year.

Mr. Stiller
08-06-2007, 12:42 AM
Why is it so Insane for him to hit above 9? He's gotten awfully close 2 times before.

HerthaFootballFan
08-06-2007, 12:44 AM
Why is it so Insane for him to hit above 9? He's gotten awfully close 2 times before.

He's going to be throwing a lot more passes, and a lot more passes that aren't just bombs like he did his first two years. So his yards per will fall as the growth in pass attempts will out weigh the growth in yards.

Mr. Stiller
08-06-2007, 12:45 AM
He's going to be throwing a lot more passes, and a lot more passes that aren't just bombs like he did his first two years. So his yards per will fall as the growth in pass attempts will out weigh the growth in yards.

Thats possible. I'll just wait an see what happens.

draftguru151
08-06-2007, 12:45 AM
Because both of those times he threw under 300 times and was on a team that ran the ball a ridiculous amount. Seriously, NONE of the top 16 QBs yard wise had over 8 ypa, how is Big Ben getting over 9 not ridiculous?

HerthaFootballFan
08-06-2007, 12:46 AM
I forgot about Portis, I definitely think he can get it too, I expect 1,400 yards from him next year.

I can't see that happening with him splitting the ball with Betts?

draftguru151
08-06-2007, 12:49 AM
I can't see that happening with him splitting the ball with Betts?

I think Portis should see above 300 carries. Betts is a nice back but nothing special and certainly not talented enough to steal a good amount of carries from Portis, just keep him fresh. The only reason I don't think Portis gets 1,500 is because of Betts though.

Jonathan_VIlma
08-06-2007, 12:49 AM
Andre Wadsworth and Michael Haynes are two guys to look out for from OLB/DE hybrid and DE.

If Wadsworth has a decent season it has to be him. I remember reading somewhere he had over 20 knee surgeries in his life.

PoopSandwich
08-06-2007, 12:57 AM
So does the browns ;)

I still see him being a legit competitor for it.

Our db's are actually strong.

Bodden/Wright Jones/Pool young and full of talent.

Green Bay Scat
08-06-2007, 01:03 AM
Andre Wadsworth and Michael Haynes are two guys to look out for from OLB/DE hybrid and DE.

If Wadsworth has a decent season it has to be him. I remember reading somewhere he had over 20 knee surgeries in his life.

if he gets 1 sack, it has to be him, not many people get another chance, and this is like number 10....

Dam8610
08-06-2007, 02:36 AM
I'm thinking:
3k-3.5k Yards
24-25 Tds
7-10 INTs
99-101 QB Rating.
9.92 YPA Avg.

All of that, ESPECIALLY the last one, would be nothing short of a miracle.

My pick: Clinton Portis

neko4
08-06-2007, 02:39 AM
All of that, ESPECIALLY the last one, would be nothing short of a miracle.

My pick: Clinton Portis

forgot about him

BrownsTown
08-06-2007, 09:15 AM
I hope it's Bentley, but it'll probably go to a bigger name.

Smooth Criminal
08-06-2007, 09:34 AM
I don' think it will be Bentley. Lineman just don't get many awards.

I think this is between Donovan McNabb and Ben Roethlisberger. There are some others that are long shots like Culpepper but Ben and McNabb will both be back, healthy and should have good seasons. Reports have been thet Ben has looked great in camp and McNabb will be McNabb as long as he doesn't get hurt.

Edit: Forgot abotu Clinton Portis. If he has a big year it could easily be him aswell. Though a QB stands a better chance of winning this kind of award IMO.

I don't think Moss deserves it. What is he coming back from? Laziness?

Smooth Criminal
08-06-2007, 09:37 AM
All of that, ESPECIALLY the last one, would be nothing short of a miracle.

My pick: Clinton Portis

I'm guessing he meant YPC not YPA because that is just a huge number for YPA.

I don't think any of the other numbers are out of the question though. If I had to guess I'd say

2500-3000 yards
17-20 TDs
10-13 INTs

JoeMontainya
08-06-2007, 10:41 AM
I love how every Steeler fan thinks Ben had an off year because of injuries. He had a small cut on his head, a cuncussion and his appendix taken out. Every one of those injuries was healed before the season started.

And then to defend themselves they say "he almost died". BS, tell it to your other Steeler fans who actually care to hear crap. He led the league in INT's LOL. There wasnt a single positive about his season and most of his mistakes had nothing to do with anything but himself playing horrible.

Smooth Criminal
08-06-2007, 10:48 AM
How can you say all of those injuries were healed before the season started. He missed the first game of the season with the apendectomy and he got a concussion duing the 5th game of the year.

Neither one of those was healed before the year. All reports out of camp say he look great and even though he only threw 3 passes they were all damn near perfect.

We'll see when the season comes.

amag
08-06-2007, 10:50 AM
Doctors actually considered amputating Bentley's leg, my money is on Wadsworth or Bentley, Wadsworth has the chance to be the best NFL story since Tom Brady

xooberon
08-06-2007, 03:05 PM
it will be dan morgan, just you wait!! :p

Pack_Attack_4
08-06-2007, 03:05 PM
I sure hope it's Andre Wadsworth! :)

hes washed up HARD!!!

HoopsDemon12
08-06-2007, 03:07 PM
As much as it pains me... i think takeo spikes has a good shot at winning this award

WMD
08-06-2007, 03:07 PM
Tatum Bell!

Mr. Stiller
08-06-2007, 03:17 PM
I love how every Steeler fan thinks Ben had an off year because of injuries. He had a small cut on his head, a cuncussion and his appendix taken out. Every one of those injuries was healed before the season started.

And then to defend themselves they say "he almost died". BS, tell it to your other Steeler fans who actually care to hear crap. He led the league in INT's LOL. There wasnt a single positive about his season and most of his mistakes had nothing to do with anything but himself playing horrible.

... Drive 30 miles in hour in a motorcycle and go face first off a car.

He then had his appendectomy. Then he started slow considering he was 75% all the way into the jacksonville game.

Then the bad no-call roughing the passer where he got 2-helmets smacking into his..

And he played the next week.


There wasn't a single positive about our whole season last year. He did lead the league in INT's. After 2 great seasons.. He won't lead the league in INT's this year and he's a legitimate candidate.

kalbears13
08-06-2007, 03:36 PM
I'm praying that it's Jamal Lewis

but I'll have to say...David Carr.

PoopSandwich
08-06-2007, 03:39 PM
I'm praying that it's Jamal Lewis

but I'll have to say...David Carr.

I would hope it's Jamal as well.

Carr is interesting, Dellhomme is on the hot seat thats for sure.

Geo
08-06-2007, 03:41 PM
Recent mentions Tatum Bell and Jamal Lewis both rushed for over 1,000 in 2006 ...

Chief49er
08-06-2007, 03:47 PM
jermery newberry

duckseason
08-06-2007, 03:48 PM
Recent mentions Tatum Bell and Jamal Lewis both rushed for over 1,000 in 2006 ...
And in Bell's case, there's really nothing to come back from. You have to have been somewhere in the first place before you can be considered for this award. And although I'd point to his '05 season as his best as a pro, those 1,025 yards last year were his most he's had in a season.

PoopSandwich
08-06-2007, 04:05 PM
Recent mentions Tatum Bell and Jamal Lewis both rushed for over 1,000 in 2006 ...

Jamal's YPC was bad and he has been no where near his 2,000 yard season (That skill level I mean.) in the past couple years.

Geo
08-06-2007, 04:12 PM
My pick for 2007 Comeback Player of the Year:

Orlando Pace, LT, St. Louis Rams

Pace only played in 8 games last season, having his season cut short thanks to a torn triceps injury. Pace reported to camp at 321 pounds, the lightest reporting-day weight of his 11-year career. He'll be back to being a Top 3 left tackle in the league.

Caddy
08-06-2007, 04:23 PM
Chris Simms..

PalmerToCJ
08-06-2007, 05:44 PM
Levi Jones was one of the elite tackles in the game in '05 but was injured a game and a half into last year.

If he stays healthy I'd think he could have a shot but I doubt it goes to a OL.

Smooth Criminal
08-06-2007, 06:04 PM
I don't think this award will go to an offensive lineman other than Bentley. They don't get to be in the stat books enough to win this award. Only reason Bentley can is because of the severity of his injury.

Namy
08-06-2007, 06:22 PM
It will go between Portis or McNabb in my opinion.

It'd be nice for Bentley, but an OLineman getting that award seems unlikely.

skinzzfan25
08-06-2007, 06:26 PM
Portis has a good shot at getting it, but I think McNabb will get it. QBs are usually favored more for comeback players.

Betts won't be stealing much from Portis. It will be somewhat similar to the LT/Turner ratio probably. Betts however is a much better receiver out of the backfield, so expect decent receiving number from him.

keylime_5
08-06-2007, 06:36 PM
Hopefully LeCharles Bentley. My money is on Randy Moss though.

Smooth Criminal
08-06-2007, 06:39 PM
Moss doesn't deserve it even if he has a great year. Whats he coming back from laziness or playing for a bad team? Those don't qualify as reasons to win the CPOTY in my mind.

amag
08-06-2007, 06:42 PM
Chris Simms..

Everyone stop saying Simms, he is not even going to make the team right now.

HawkeyeFan
08-06-2007, 06:45 PM
Is it possible to be Orlando Pace?

'cuse-213
08-06-2007, 07:22 PM
Michael Haynes- yea thats right, hes tearing up jets camp.
Willis Mcgahee
David Carr

elway777
08-06-2007, 07:23 PM
Byron Leftwich

GB12
08-06-2007, 07:30 PM
Chris Simms won't win it because

1. He has no line to protect him
2. He has no one to throw to
3. He's not that good
4. He has to beat out like 6 other QBs, which I don't think he'll do

amag
08-06-2007, 08:22 PM
Chris Simms won't win it because

1. He has no line to protect him
2. He has no one to throw to
3. He's not that good
4. He has to beat out like 6 other QBs, which I don't think he'll do
hes completing like 1 out of every 4 passes in tc right now, and this is just him and the wr running routes, no defense

he has developed terrible mechanics because of the spleen injury, its a shame because i really thought he could have turned out to be a star for tampa.

Splat
08-06-2007, 08:27 PM
Moss doesn't deserve it even if he has a great year. Whats he coming back from laziness or playing for a bad team? Those don't qualify as reasons to win the CPOTY in my mind.

Nice plus + rep.

TheChampIsHere
08-06-2007, 10:39 PM
Don't be surprised if Byron Leftwich puts of big number this year.

Ill never be surprised if Leftwich has a big year I know he has it in him. But at this point im not gonna be at all surprised if he spends most the season injured.

JF4
08-06-2007, 10:54 PM
Dante Culpepper

I still beleive he is a very good QB in the NFL and he can really improve the Raiders offense.

HerthaFootballFan
08-07-2007, 12:12 PM
Dante Culpepper

I still beleive he is a very good QB in the NFL and he can really improve the Raiders offense.

WHy do you think that? I'm curious cause I never thought he was a great QB and the way he's played since he and moss got seperated makes me question if he's even a decent QB. Bad decisions, inaccurate, no longer mobile and he's taken a lot of hits so that he's no longer the beacon of strength he used to be. If he beats out McCown I'll be somewhat surprised, especially behind that oline.

Man_Of_Steel
08-07-2007, 02:35 PM
Ben Roethlisberger no doubt.

TimD
08-07-2007, 02:43 PM
I sure hope it's Andre Wadsworth! :)

he's got the talent... hopefully he makes the team and gets a starting spot

Hines
08-07-2007, 03:52 PM
im gonna be a homer and not care what yall say


ben roethlisburger

Turtlepower
08-07-2007, 03:54 PM
I think if LeCharles Bently plays at least 14 games, he has to win this award. Doctors were telling him that they might have to amputate his leg and this was less than a year ago. Unlike all of the other people on here he didn't have a "career threatening" injury, he had a life threatening one.

Smooth Criminal
08-07-2007, 03:58 PM
I think the timetable for Bentley's return is like halfway through the season so him getting 14 games is unlikely.

amag
08-07-2007, 05:56 PM
I think the timetable for Bentley's return is like halfway through the season so him getting 14 games is unlikely.

they were saying the most he could probably get to play this year was 12 games

HoopsDemon12
08-07-2007, 06:10 PM
I really hope Andre Wadsworth plays well and does get it... cause it would be a great story... ya if the offense gets back to its old ways i could see Big Ben winning it(plus he has my nickname...has to be rank)... Lewis could rush for over 1200 yards again maybe... Spikes could come back and have a pro bowl type season... those are my front runners though

LionSmack
08-07-2007, 09:27 PM
All right here's a pick

Jerry Porter

portermvp84
08-07-2007, 09:46 PM
Donavan Mcnabb

PACKmanN
08-07-2007, 09:50 PM
Portis, the guy was a top 5 running back before getting hurt.

ShutDwn
08-07-2007, 10:15 PM
Willis McGahee will win it.

HerthaFootballFan
08-07-2007, 10:34 PM
Willis McGahee will win it.

He's only coming back from being a wimp.

YAYareaRB
08-07-2007, 10:39 PM
Edgerrin James

yo123
08-07-2007, 11:42 PM
WHy do you think that? I'm curious cause I never thought he was a great QB and the way he's played since he and moss got seperated makes me question if he's even a decent QB. Bad decisions, inaccurate, no longer mobile and he's taken a lot of hits so that he's no longer the beacon of strength he used to be. If he beats out McCown I'll be somewhat surprised, especially behind that oline.



You never thought he was a great QB? Even when he threw for 8200 yards and 64 TDs in a two year stretch with the Vikings? Hes not a good QB now and I doubt he ever will be again, but he certainly has been in the past.

BuckNaked
08-07-2007, 11:44 PM
Troy Williamson, 1500 recieving yards and 20 TD's. Just watch.

yo123
08-07-2007, 11:52 PM
Troy Williamson, 1500 recieving yards and 20 TD's. Just watch.



But hes never been good so he cant come back.

BuckNaked
08-07-2007, 11:53 PM
But hes never been good so he cant come back.

He can come back from where his expectations were at.

TimD
08-08-2007, 12:12 AM
He can come back from where his expectations were at.

hes def got the talent

yo123
08-08-2007, 12:13 AM
hes def got the talent



And he definetly has no hands.

Crazy_Chris
08-08-2007, 12:50 AM
And he definetly has no hands.

Also the entire NFL nation would definatly be shocked if he put up those kind of numbers

Jonathan_VIlma
08-08-2007, 01:19 AM
You never thought he was a great QB? Even when he threw for 8200 yards and 64 TDs in a two year stretch with the Vikings? Hes not a good QB now and I doubt he ever will be again, but he certainly has been in the past.I actually agree that he never was that great of a quarterback. He pads his stats in blowouts, going both ways. There's a reason the best season his teams had were 9-7, was because he really isn't a winner. A good passer, but not a great quarterback.

yo123
08-08-2007, 01:22 AM
I actually agree that he never was that great of a quarterback. He pads his stats in blowouts, going both ways. There's a reason the best season his teams had were 9-7, was because he really isn't a winner. A good passer, but not a great quarterback.



give me a break, the reason his teams were 9-7 is that our defense was absolutely atrocious, borderline nonexistant. And i would make the argument that QB's dont win games by themselves, but people will blast me for that, because obviousley if a QB is any good at all he should have a ring right?

JT Jag
08-08-2007, 01:34 AM
Byron Leftwich is in a situation where he could throw for 3,200-3,500 passing yards and 20-30 TDs (if he stays healthy, of course). The Jags WR corps are deeper this year then they've ever been.

If he pulls that off and goes to the Pro Bowl, then he'd be a big competitor for Comeback Player.

yo123
08-08-2007, 01:36 AM
Byron Leftwich is in a situation where he could throw for 3,200-3,500 passing yards and 20-30 TDs (if he stays healthy, of course). The Jags WR corps are deeper this year then they've ever been.

If he pulls that off and goes to the Pro Bowl, then he'd be a big competitor for Comeback Player.

ignore this

yourfavestoner
08-09-2007, 05:32 PM
The Jaguars debated drafting Brady Quinn and signing Daunte Culpepper before turning back to Byron Leftwich.
Good thing the Jacksonville Jaguars did.

NFL Network video
Adam Schefter looks at QB situations in his 'Around the League' report.

Video: 56k | 300k

Over the past two weeks, Leftwich has been the talk of Jaguars camp, performing the way Jacksonville hoped he would when it used its 2003 first-round pick on him.

Former Alabama head coach and current Jaguars quarterbacks coach Mike Shula has worked with Leftwich on his footwork, making the quarterback more nimble than he has been. Those who have watched Leftwich this summer have noticed that Shula has had an obvious effect on him.

As has Jacksonville's new offensive coordinator, Dirk Koetter. The Jaguars' new offense has allowed Leftwich to make some of his own calls, to rely on his football instincts, to showcase his skills. Leftwich's newfound independence has resulted in a greater comfort level. Leftwich also is working in a run-based offense that relies even more on the vertical game.

Those who have watched Leftwich say he is thriving. They believe Leftwich is poised to have his most effective and best season as the Jagaurs quarterback.

If they are right, then Jacksonville and Leftwich are in for a big year. With its stingy defense and steady offense, Jacksonville only has been missing consistent play from its quarterback. Leftwich's performance could elevate the Jaguars into the upper echelon of the ultra-talented AFC.

And Leftwich, who has struggled with injuries the past two seasons, might be the biggest benefactor of all. With one year remaining on his contract, Leftwich knows all that he has at stake. So far his play looks as good as the Jaguars decision to name Leftwich as the team's starting quarterback.

http://nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10287046

Hmm......

The Unseen
08-09-2007, 05:36 PM
ignore this

The projections are little high, but the point has some merit.

yo123
08-09-2007, 05:37 PM
The projections are little high, but the point has some merit.



lol i meant ignore my post, i screwed up.

no love
08-09-2007, 06:39 PM
My homer pick is Michael Lewis. He was a starter and ProBowler two years ago and then was benched last year.

I think he will be used much closer to the line of scrimmage which will hopefully cover up his coverage deficiencies.

yourfavestoner
08-09-2007, 07:11 PM
Sorry dude, but an in-the-box safety isn't going to win CPOTY.