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Mr. Stiller
08-09-2007, 12:55 PM
From Football Outsiders.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/2007/07/25/ramblings/stat-analysis/5263/

Percent of "Bad Passes"
Most Bad Passes Fewest Bad Passes
1 7-B.Gradkowski 22.6% 36 18-P.Manning 13.8%
2 10-E.Manning 20.9% 37 16-A.Walter 13.6%
3 17-J.Campbell 18.7% 38 9-D.Brees 13.3%
4 4-B.Favre 18.5% 39 7-M.Leinart 13.1%
5 8-R.Grossman 18.4% 40 17-P.Rivers 13.0%
6 2-C.Simms 18.4% 41 2-A.Brooks 13.0%
7 7-B.Leftwich 18.2% 42 9-S.McNair 12.7%
8 3-J.Harrington 17.9% 43 9-D.Garrard 12.6%
9 15-S.Wallace 17.7% 44 9-C.Frye 12.2%
10 14-B.Johnson 17.7% 45 8-D.Carr 10.5%

Hit in Motion/Tipped at Line/Thrown Away
Most Fewest
1 2-C.Simms 14.2% 36 7-B.Roethlisberger 5.6%
2 2-A.Brooks 11.5% 37 9-C.Palmer 5.5%
3 11-A.Smith 11.4% 38 16-A.Walter 5.1%
4 8-D.Carr 10.1% 39 5-D.McNabb 5.1%
5 7-J.Losman 10.0% 40 6-J.Cutler 5.0%
6 17-J.Delhomme 9.6% 41 10-C.Pennington 4.5%
7 8-M.Brunell 9.6% 42 9-T.Romo 4.4%
8 7-B.Gradkowski 9.2% 43 4-B.Favre 4.2%
9 11-D.Bledsoe 9.2% 44 18-P.Manning 3.9%
10 13-K.Warner 8.8% 45 10-M.Bulger 3.7%

Percent of Passes Marked Overthrown/Thrown Ahead
Most Overthrows Fewest Overthrows
1 4-B.Favre 13.5% 36 2-A.Brooks 8.3%
2 3-D.Anderson 13.4% 37 8-M.Hasselbeck 8.3%
3 9-T.Romo 12.6% 38 6-J.Cutler 8.1%
4 10-E.Manning 12.4% 39 9-D.Garrard 7.8%
5 8-R.Grossman 12.4% 40 9-S.McNair 7.8%
6 17-J.Delhomme 12.2% 41 10-T.Green 7.1%
7 7-B.Gradkowski 12.2% 42 13-K.Warner 6.9%
8 15-S.Wallace 12.1% 43 9-D.Brees 6.4%
9 3-J.Harrington 12.1% 44 2-C.Simms 5.3%
10 13-T.Rattay 11.9% 45 8-D.Carr 3.3%

Turtlepower
08-09-2007, 12:56 PM
I feel like those stats are subjective.

UKfan
08-09-2007, 12:59 PM
Tom Brady nowhere on there at all, must be a pretty average quarterback, not good but not bad at anything :D

Turtlepower
08-09-2007, 01:00 PM
I guess David Carr is one of the best QBs in the league along with Chris Simms and Andrew Walter...

Jughead10
08-09-2007, 01:04 PM
Football Outsiders also said this gem when ranking coaching staffs:

"Giants fired defensive coordinator Tim Lewis, their best coach"

SubNoize
08-09-2007, 01:04 PM
Walter has soo few "bad passes" and least "tipped" because he's too busy fumbling the ball most of the time anyways...

PalmerToCJ
08-09-2007, 01:21 PM
I like how one of the Raider QB's are on each of the fewest lists... Granted SubNoize is right Walter didn't really throw it he just fumbled it.

I do like the stats though, interesting.

SubNoize
08-09-2007, 01:29 PM
I like how one of the Raider QB's are on each of the fewest lists... Granted SubNoize is right Walter didn't really throw it he just fumbled it.

I do like the stats though, interesting.

yeah hard to tip or bat the ball down when it's on the ground already...

yourfavestoner
08-09-2007, 01:29 PM
Walter has soo few "bad passes" and least "tipped" because he's too busy fumbling the ball most of the time anyways...

Same with Garrard.

Which shows how pointless metrics really are.

BuckNaked
08-09-2007, 01:50 PM
So this means that Andre Walter is one of the top QB's in football? Wow, this is so enlightining.

LSUALUM99
08-09-2007, 01:52 PM
It's even more interesting that no one here actually took the time to read the article.

Yes, the same article that explains 'why' they measure what they measure and also includes about 2x as many stats as Mr. Stiller decided to cherry pick.

For instance, he didn't post the stats on 'passes defenced' which accounts for quarterbacks throwing into coverage as opposed to throwing to the open man.

You guys may want to read the articles instead of blindly stating 'it shows how useless metrics are'.

I think what it shows is how a poster can manipulate the stats to derive any conclusion they desire if they do not include all of the data.

Jughead10
08-09-2007, 01:58 PM
It's even more interesting that no one here actually took the time to read the article.

Yes, the same article that explains 'why' they measure what they measure and also includes about 2x as many stats as Mr. Stiller decided to cherry pick.

For instance, he didn't post the stats on 'passes defenced' which accounts for quarterbacks throwing into coverage as opposed to throwing to the open man.

You guys may want to read the articles instead of blindly stating 'it shows how useless metrics are'.

I think what it shows is how a poster can manipulate the stats to derive any conclusion they desire if they do not include all of the data.

I read the article and I don't care for any of their stats in all honesty.

LSUALUM99
08-09-2007, 02:01 PM
I read the article and I don't care for any of their stats in all honesty.

Disagreeing with them is fine. It's all a matter of opinion anyway. However, the people that just blindly quip and reduce all metrics to garbage based on incomplete information reduces the intelligent discussion on this site a good deal.

nobodyinparticular
08-09-2007, 08:21 PM
See guys! I told you Andrew Walter was a god-send!!!! Now I have proof to back it up! And Brooks up there too. Bwahaha! Raiders are amazing!!!!!





Football metrics... This proves my point.

BigDawg819
08-09-2007, 08:32 PM
Its hard to knock Andrew Walter when he was either sacked or running for his life. Put him behind a decent offensive line then lets see what the kid can do.

Mr. Stiller
08-10-2007, 10:41 AM
It's even more interesting that no one here actually took the time to read the article.

Yes, the same article that explains 'why' they measure what they measure and also includes about 2x as many stats as Mr. Stiller decided to cherry pick.

For instance, he didn't post the stats on 'passes defenced' which accounts for quarterbacks throwing into coverage as opposed to throwing to the open man.

You guys may want to read the articles instead of blindly stating 'it shows how useless metrics are'.

I think what it shows is how a poster can manipulate the stats to derive any conclusion they desire if they do not include all of the data.

I didn't just grab a few to show a point... What point did I prove? I left the link because I thought it was an interesting read and wanted to give people a taste of what I meant.

bearsfan_51
08-10-2007, 11:54 AM
This just in, Brett Favre makes a lot of stupid throws. That's why no matter what records he breaks, he'll never be the best QB in the game. Well that and the lone Superbowl ring.

HoopsDemon12
08-10-2007, 05:07 PM
I guess David Carr is one of the best QBs in the league along with Chris Simms and Andrew Walter...

there also up there in the bad stats aswell...

Addict
08-10-2007, 05:49 PM
Carr looks pretty good in these stats... remarkable. Will he do well with tha panthers.

SubNoize
08-10-2007, 05:51 PM
Its hard to knock Andrew Walter when he was either sacked or running for his life. Put him behind a decent offensive line then lets see what the kid can do.

he'd probably trip on his center and then carry the ball too low and fumble it when he gets tapped... this is of course when he's not dancing around as usual.

no love
08-10-2007, 06:37 PM
he'd probably trip on his center and then carry the ball too low and fumble it when he gets tapped... this is of course when he's not dancing around as usual.

And then he would try and kick the ball while it is on the ground instead of falling on it. (This from Raiders training camp)

nobodyinparticular
08-10-2007, 09:00 PM
And then he would try and kick the ball while it is on the ground instead of falling on it. (This from Raiders training camp)

Yep. My first reaction:

Stabler, is that you???