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TimD
08-14-2007, 12:39 AM
sorry if there are any errors that i failed to notice...

AFC East
New England Patriots 12-4
New York Jets 10-6
Miami Dolphins 7-9
Buffalo Bills 5-11

AFC North
Cincinnati Bengals 10-6
Baltimore Ravens 10-6
Pittsburgh Steelers 9-7
Cleveland Browns 5-11

AFC South
Indianapolis Colts 12-4
Jacksonville Jaguars 10-6
Tennessee Titans 8-8
Houston Texans 6-10

AFC West
San Diego Chargers 13-3
Denver Broncos 10-6
Kansas City Chiefs 5-11
Oakland Raiders 3-13

NFC East
Philadelphia Eagles 9-7
Dallas Cowboys 9-7
New York Giants 7-9
Washington Redskins 5-11

NFC North
Chicago Bears 11-5
Green Bay Packers 6-10
Detroit Lions 5-11
Minnesota Vikings 5-11

NFC South
New Orleans Saints 10-6
Carolina Panthers 8-8
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 5-11
Atlanta Falcons 4-12

NFC West
Seattle Seahawks 10-6
St. Louis Rams 10-6
San Francesco 7-9
Arizona Cardinals 6-10

Playoffs
Colts vs. Ravens
Bengals vs. Jets
Seahawks vs. Cowboys
Eagles vs. Rams

Colts vs. Chargers
Patriots vs. Jets
Bears vs. Seahawks
Saints vs. Rams

Chargers vs. Patriots
Bears vs. Rams

Chargers vs. Rams
Chargers Win

TimD
08-14-2007, 12:41 AM
oh btw this isn't just random guess i went threw the schedule and made educated picks...

PalmerToCJ
08-14-2007, 12:44 AM
AFC East
New England: 12-4
Buffalo: 8-8
New York: 7-9
Miami: 4-12

AFC North
Cincinnati: 12-4
Baltimore: 10-6
Pittsburgh: 9-7
Cleveland: 6-10

AFC West
San Diego: 11-5
Denver: 10-6
Kansas City: 6-10
Oakland: 5-11

AFC South
Indianapolis: 12-4
Jacksonville: 9-7
Houston: 7-9
Tennessee: 6-10

NFC East
Dallas: 10-6
Philadelphia: 10-6
Washington: 7-9
New York: 5-11

NFC North
Chicago: 13-3
Detroit: 7-9
Green Bay: 7-9
Minnesota: 4-12

NFC West
Seattle: 10-6
San Francisco: 9-7
Arizona: 7-9
St. Louis: 6-10

NFC South
New Orleans: 10-6
Carolina: 7-9
Tampa Bay: 7-9
Atlanta: 4-12

Championship Games
New England over Denver
Chicago over Dallas

Super Bowl
New England over Chicago

TimD
08-14-2007, 12:51 AM
umm i'm assuming you just messed with the records so the playoff teams you wanted would make it...

BigDawg819
08-14-2007, 01:16 AM
I predict this thread gets locked due to a argument over someone's opinion of someone else's home team record. Bet my prediction actually has the best chance of coming true. ;)

PalmerToCJ
08-14-2007, 01:17 AM
I predict this thread gets locked due to a argument over someone's opinion of someone else's home team record. Bet my prediction actually has the best chance of coming true. ;)

This is true. If Vick wasn't in trouble I would predict a Vick arguement somehow, possibly it'll turn into an Eli Manning one.

Either way I like posting up a full record one just to see how close I am at the end of the season.

nfrillman
08-14-2007, 01:21 AM
sorry if there are any errors that i failed to notice...

AFC East
New England Patriots 12-4
New York Jets 10-6
Miami Dolphins 7-9
Buffalo Bills 5-11

AFC North
Cincinnati Bengals 10-6
Baltimore Ravens 10-6
Pittsburgh Steelers 9-7
Cleveland Browns 5-11

AFC South
Indianapolis Colts 12-4
Jacksonville Jaguars 10-6
Tennessee Titans 8-8
Houston Texans 6-10

AFC West
San Diego Chargers 13-3
Denver Broncos 10-6
Kansas City Chiefs 5-11
Oakland Raiders 3-13

NFC East
Philadelphia Eagles 9-7
Dallas Cowboys 9-7
New York Giants 7-9
Washington Redskins 5-11

NFC North
Chicago Bears 11-5
Green Bay Packers 6-10
Detroit Lions 5-11
Minnesota Vikings 5-11

NFC South
New Orleans Saints 10-6
Carolina Panthers 8-8
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 5-11
Atlanta Falcons 4-12

NFC West
Seattle Seahawks 10-6
St. Louis Rams 10-6
San Francesco 7-9
Arizona Cardinals 6-10

Playoffs
Colts vs. Ravens
Bengals vs. Jets
Seahawks vs. Cowboys
Eagles vs. Rams

Colts vs. Chargers
Patriots vs. Jets
Bears vs. Seahawks
Saints vs. Rams

Chargers vs. Patriots
Bears vs. Rams

Chargers vs. Rams
Chargers Win

Excellent choices. Three cheers for the Rams believer!!! One issue though, it seems you have made a slight typo on that last line. I'm pretty sure you meant, "Rams Win"

neko4
08-14-2007, 01:27 AM
I predict this thread gets locked due to a argument over someone's opinion of someone else's home team record. Bet my prediction actually has the best chance of coming true. ;)

yeah, im already pissed, i wont say anything

TheChampIsHere
08-14-2007, 01:29 AM
not too bad overall but how can you have the Raiders only getting 3 wins? Look at our schedule and our D will keep us in almost every game.

BigDawg819
08-14-2007, 01:39 AM
not too bad overall but how can you have the Raiders only getting 3 wins? Look at our schedule and our D will keep us in almost every game.

I was shocked at seeing the Lions only getting 5 wins in one post and another with the Bengals getting 12 wins? They would need some sort of defense for 12 wins and thats not going to happen.

TimD
08-14-2007, 01:41 AM
not too bad overall but how can you have the Raiders only getting 3 wins? Look at our schedule and our D will keep us in almost every game.

yeah the raiders d is good... but their offense is just bad

IMO:
Detroit L
Denver L
Cleveland W
Miami L
San Diego L
Kansas City W/L
Tennessee L
Houston L
Chicago L
Minnesota L
Kansas City W/L
Denver L
Green Bay W
Indianapolis L
Jacksonville L
San Diego L

neko4
08-14-2007, 01:41 AM
I was shocked at seeing the Lions only getting 5 wins in one post and another with the Bengals getting 12 wins? They would need some sort of defense for 12 wins and thats not going to happen.

The lions are a still a long way away.
No Oline or secondary
Shakey at RB
Shaun Rogers is the only real good DL, and do they have anyone outside of Simms at LB?

People are overating their WR thinking it will make them 8-8

neko4
08-14-2007, 01:42 AM
yeah the raiders d is good... but their offense is just bad

IMO:
Detroit L
Denver L
Cleveland W
Miami L
San Diego L
Kansas City W/L
Tennessee L
Houston L
Chicago L
Minnesota L
Kansas City W/L
Denver L
Green Bay W
Indianapolis L
Jacksonville L
San Diego L

STOP IT! Im too tired to get pissed. And how will they beat GB, but not MIN or DET

TimD
08-14-2007, 01:43 AM
I was shocked at seeing the Lions only getting 5 wins in one post and another with the Bengals getting 12 wins? They would need some sort of defense for 12 wins and thats not going to happen.

thats why i have them with 10 wins and a playoff berth... their offense is much better than the lions

TimD
08-14-2007, 01:45 AM
STOP IT! Im too tired to get pissed. And how will they beat GB, but not MIN or DET

once again IN MY OPINION... personally i think minnesota's rbs will win that game for them... and the detroit game is week 1... who is the raiders qb in week 1? no one knows right now...

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
08-14-2007, 01:46 AM
I think Denver will make the playoffs. Well, I'm a homer and I have them going 16-0 so when you adjust for homerism, they make the playoffs. I think our offense is gonna be very good this year. Our defense will be good enough.

neko4
08-14-2007, 01:47 AM
once again IN MY OPINION... personally i think minnesota's rbs will win that game for them... and the detroit game is week 1... who is the raiders qb in week 1? no one knows right now...

this whole forum is about opinions

TimD
08-14-2007, 01:47 AM
I think Denver will make the playoffs. Well, I'm a homer and I have them going 16-0 so when you adjust for homerism, they make the playoffs. I think our offense is gonna be very good this year. Our defense will be good enough.

didnt have enough faith in cutler for them to get 11 wins... and the way i picked with wins and losses they lost the tiebreaker... i forget with who but thats how my picks worked...

BigDawg819
08-14-2007, 01:47 AM
this whole forum is about opinions

No when I post its fact. :D

TimD
08-14-2007, 01:49 AM
this whole forum is about opinions

exactly... so don't take me saying the raiders will go 3-13 as like the end of the world... by showing their schedule i was just sticking up for my picks... not a big deal... u think they'll do better than that i dont...

neko4
08-14-2007, 01:53 AM
exactly... so don't take me saying the raiders will go 3-13 as like the end of the world... by showing their schedule i was just sticking up for my picks... not a big deal... u think they'll do better than that i dont...

Yes i realize its your oppinion, and i have the right to argue against it. Exactly what the forum is for.

TimD
08-14-2007, 01:59 AM
Yes i realize its your oppinion, and i have the right to argue against it. Exactly what the forum is for.

obviously... well its 3 in the morning so i guess ill be back on here tomorrow to see if any other fans arent happy with my picks.. haha good things

peace

neko4
08-14-2007, 02:00 AM
obviously... well its 3 in the morning so i guess ill be back on here tomorrow to see if any other fans arent happy with my picks.. haha good things

peace

It'll happen, these threads ask for trouble, but thats how this site works

Dam8610
08-14-2007, 02:16 AM
I took the insult option just because it was an insult, but that list looks solid. You might have the Jets a tad overrated, but that's not really a shock.

Shiver
08-14-2007, 03:18 AM
AFC East


1. New England (11-5)
2. Buffalo (7-9)
3. New York (5-11)
4. Miami (5-11)


AFC North


1. Cincinnati (12-4)
2. Pittsburgh (10-6)
3. Baltimore (9-7)
4. Cleveland (3-13)


AFC South


1. Jacksonville (12-4)
2. Indianapolis (9-7)
3. Houston (8-8)
4 Tennessee (4-12)


AFC West


1. Denver (13-3)
2. San Diego (10-6)
3. Oakland (5-11)
4. Kansas City (4-12)


NFC East


1. Dallas (12-4)
2. Philadelphia (10-6)
3. Washington (6-10)
4. New York (4-12)


NFC North


1. Chicago (10-6)
2. Green Bay (9-7)
3. Detroit (7-9)
4. Minnesota (6-10)

NFC South


1. Carolina (12-4)
2. New Orleans (10-6)
3. Atlanta (5-11)
4. Tampa Bay (5-11)


NFC West


San Francisco (10-6)
Seattle (9-7)
St Louis (8-8)
Arizona (6-10)


"BOLD" = playoff berth

Explanations will come later, I have something planned in the not too distant future...

yourfavestoner
08-14-2007, 04:17 AM
Props to Shiver for Jacksonville love.

People are going to be really, really surprised with our new offense this year.

255979119
08-14-2007, 04:56 AM
The only teams I shall predict:

Oakland - 5-11

Detroit - 7-9

Kansas City - 3-13

Miami - 4-12

nrk
08-14-2007, 05:16 AM
I took the insult option just because it was an insult, but that list looks solid. You might have the Jets a tad overrated, but that's not really a shock.

A little more than a tad.

duckseason
08-14-2007, 06:08 AM
sorry if there are any errors that i failed to notice...

AFC East
New England Patriots 12-4
New York Jets 10-6
Miami Dolphins 7-9
Buffalo Bills 5-11

AFC North
Cincinnati Bengals 10-6
Baltimore Ravens 10-6
Pittsburgh Steelers 9-7
Cleveland Browns 5-11

AFC South
Indianapolis Colts 12-4
Jacksonville Jaguars 10-6
Tennessee Titans 8-8
Houston Texans 6-10

AFC West
San Diego Chargers 13-3
Denver Broncos 10-6
Kansas City Chiefs 5-11
Oakland Raiders 3-13

NFC East
Philadelphia Eagles 9-7
Dallas Cowboys 9-7
New York Giants 7-9
Washington Redskins 5-11

NFC North
Chicago Bears 11-5
Green Bay Packers 6-10
Detroit Lions 5-11
Minnesota Vikings 5-11

NFC South
New Orleans Saints 10-6
Carolina Panthers 8-8
Tampa Bay Buccaneers 5-11
Atlanta Falcons 4-12

NFC West
Seattle Seahawks 10-6
St. Louis Rams 10-6
San Francesco 7-9
Arizona Cardinals 6-10

You've gotta give out 4 more wins and take away 4 losses. I'd suggest giving them to the NFC since you've got them going 21-43 against the AFC at this point. I can't imagine them doing even worse than last year, but hey, anything's possible. I'm not sure I'd bank on more than one division getting just 27 wins. Maybe add a victory or two to either the NFC North or South and it would be a bit more realistic I think. I think the North deserves a bit more credit. Maybe give them 29 or 30 wins. I mean, those 4 wins gotta go somewhere. But yeah, that's the only real error I see.

neko4
08-14-2007, 08:16 AM
shiver's had alot of suprises but i liked it :)

TimD
08-14-2007, 09:45 AM
You've gotta give out 4 more wins and take away 4 losses. I'd suggest giving them to the NFC since you've got them going 21-43 against the AFC at this point. I can't imagine them doing even worse than last year, but hey, anything's possible. I'm not sure I'd bank on more than one division getting just 27 wins. Maybe add a victory or two to either the NFC North or South and it would be a bit more realistic I think. I think the North deserves a bit more credit. Maybe give them 29 or 30 wins. I mean, those 4 wins gotta go somewhere. But yeah, that's the only real error I see.

wait if something doesn't add up it means i transfered it wrong from the schedule i made my picks on... cause i didnt just make up random records which i stated before... and i didnt really overate the jets that much

New England --- L
Baltimore --- L
Miami --- W
Buffalo --- W
N.Y. Giants --- W
Philadelphia --- L
Cincinnati --- L
Buffalo --- W
Washington --- W
Pittsburgh --- W
Dallas --- L
Miami --- W
Cleveland --- W
New England --- L
Tennessee --- W
Kansas City --- W

Michigan
08-14-2007, 09:51 AM
I'm having a lot of trouble seeing a team with a defense as bad as Cincy's finishing ahead of Baltimore or Pittsburgh. I think they're a .500 team.

AlexDown
08-14-2007, 09:55 AM
If the Jets get 10 wins this year I will be ecstatic.

neko4
08-14-2007, 10:24 AM
I'm having a lot of trouble seeing a team with a defense as bad as Cincy's finishing ahead of Baltimore or Pittsburgh. I think they're a .500 team.

they have by far the best offense in the divison. The defense will do good enough

P-L
08-14-2007, 10:34 AM
Chicago Bears : 11-5
Green Bay Packers : 9-7
Detroit Lions : 6-10
Minnesota Vikings : 5-11

New Orleans Saints : 10-6
Carolina Panthers : 9-7
Atlanta Falcons : 5-11
Tampa Bay Buccaneers : 5-11

Philadelphia Eagles : 11-5
Dallas Cowboys : 10-6
Washington Redskins : 7-9
New York Giants : 6-10

San Francisco 49ers : 10-6
St. Louis Rams : 9-7
Seattle Seahawks : 8-8
Arizona Cardinals : 7-9

Baltimore Ravens : 11-5
Cincinnati Bengals : 9-7
Pittsburgh Steelers : 9-7
Cleveland Browns : 4-12

Indianapolis Colts : 10-6
Jacksonville Jaguars : 10-6
Tennessee Titans : 5-11
Houston Texans : 5-11

New England Patriots : 12-4
Buffalo Bills : 8-8
New York Jets : 8-8
Miami Dolphins : 7-9

San Diego Chargers : 11-5
Denver Broncos : 10-6
Kansas City Chiefs : 5-11
Oakland Raiders : 4-12

neko4
08-14-2007, 11:04 AM
Chicago Bears : 11-5
Green Bay Packers : 9-7
Detroit Lions : 6-10
Minnesota Vikings : 5-11

New Orleans Saints : 10-6
Carolina Panthers : 9-7
Atlanta Falcons : 5-11
Tampa Bay Buccaneers : 5-11

Philadelphia Eagles : 11-5
Dallas Cowboys : 10-6
Washington Redskins : 7-9
New York Giants : 6-10

San Francisco 49ers : 10-6
St. Louis Rams : 9-7
Seattle Seahawks : 8-8
Arizona Cardinals : 7-9

Baltimore Ravens : 11-5
Cincinnati Bengals : 9-7
Pittsburgh Steelers : 9-7
Cleveland Browns : 4-12

Indianapolis Colts : 10-6
Jacksonville Jaguars : 10-6
Tennessee Titans : 5-11
Houston Texans : 5-11

New England Patriots : 12-4
Buffalo Bills : 8-8
New York Jets : 8-8
Miami Dolphins : 7-9

San Diego Chargers : 11-5
Denver Broncos : 10-6
Kansas City Chiefs : 5-11
Oakland Raiders : 4-12

I think CLE will do better than HOU, but nice predictions

TimD
08-14-2007, 11:20 AM
i don't see buffalo doing that well... their schedule isn't necessarily easy... in order for them to do that they need to beat the jets and dolphins twice

skinzzfan25
08-14-2007, 11:39 AM
I like Patriots-Lions' list the best. But I don't see two teams coming out of the NFC East with 10+ wins. We beat up on eachother too much for multiple teams to have 10 wins.

Modano
08-14-2007, 11:44 AM
In recent years, there are always turn-around teams from season to season. Some teams turn good, other turn bad. To make a prediction of the standings, I think the most important thing is try to find this teams.

This are the standings of the past two years:

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AFC EAST

New England Patriots : (10 - 6) - (12 - 4)
New York Jets : (4 - 12) - (10 - 6)
Buffalo Bills : (5 - 11) - (7 - 9)
Miami Dolphins : (9 - 7) - (6 - 10)

AFC WEST

San Diego Chargers : (9 - 7) - (14 - 2)
Kansas City Chiefs : (10 - 6) - (9 - 7)
Denver Broncos : (13 - 3) - (9 - 7)
Oakland Raiders : (4 - 12) - (2 - 14)

AFC NORTH

Baltimore Ravens : (6 - 10) - (13 - 3)
Pittsburgh Steelers : (11 - 5) - (8 - 8)
Cleveland Browns : (6 - 10) - (4 - 12)
Cincinnati Bengals : (11 - 5) - (8 - 8)

AFC SOUTH

Indianapolis Colts : (14 - 2) - (12 - 4)
Jacksonville Jaguars : (12 - 4) - (8 - 8)
Houston Texans : (4 - 12) - (6 - 10)
Tennessee Titans : (2 - 14) - (8 - 8)

NFC EAST

Dallas Cowboys : (9 - 7) - (9 - 7)
Philadelphia Eagles : (6 - 10) - (10 - 6)
Washington Redskins : (10 - 6) - (5 - 11)
New York Giants : (11 - 5) - (8 - 8)

NFC WEST

San Francisco 49ers : (4 - 12) - (7 - 9)
St. Louis Rams : (6 - 10) - (8 - 8)
Seattle Seahawks : (13 - 3) - (9 - 7)
Arizona Cardinals : (5 - 11) - (5 - 11)

NFC SOUTH

New Orleans Saints : (3 - 13) - (10 - 6)
Carolina Panthers : (11 - 5) - (8 - 8)
Atlanta Falcons : (8 - 8) - (7 - 9)
Tampa Bay Buccaneers : (11 - 5) - (4 - 12)

NFC NORTH

Chicago Bears : (11 - 5) - (13 - 3)
Green Bay Packers : (4 - 12) - (8 - 8)
Detroit Lions : (5 - 11) - (3 - 13)
Minnesota Vikings : (9 - 7) - (6 - 10)

---

8 teams had at least 3 more wins in 2006. 5 of them went from a losing record into a winning one, two of them went to an 8-8. The 49ers are the only team that, while improving by 3 wins their record, still had a losing record.

I expect these teams to be have a boost in their W column and/or have a winning record:

Buffalo Bills (10 - 6)
Denver Broncos (11 - 5)
Jacksonville Jaguars (12 - 4)
St Louis Rams (10 - 6)
Seattle Seahawks (12 - 4)
Carolina Panthers (12 - 4)
Cincinnati Benglas (11 - 5)

10 teams had at least 3 less wins in 2006. 3 of them went from a winning record into a losing one. 5 went from a winning record into 8-8.

I expect these teams to lose more games in 2007:

New York Jets (6 - 10)
Kansas City Chiefs (6 - 10)
New York Giants (5 - 11)
Atlanta Falcons (4 - 12)
Baltimore Ravens (10 - 6)
Pittsburgh Steelers (6 - 10)
Tennesse Titans (5 - 11)

I expect teams like the Redskins, Cardinals, Lions, Dolphins, Browns, Raiders and Vikings to stay in the mediocrity, in the 2-6 wins range.

bsaza2358
08-14-2007, 12:10 PM
My predictions: I don't do record predictions because it's too tedious and takes away from the fun of predictions.

AFC East
New England Patriots (homefield advantage)
Buffalo Bills
New York Jets
Miami Dolphins

AFC North
Baltimore Ravens
Cincinnati Bengals
Pittsburgh Steelers
Cleveland Browns

AFC South
Indianapolis Colts (#2 seed)
Jacksonville Jaguars (WC)
Houston Texans
Tennessee Titans

AFC West
San Diego Chargers
Denver Broncos (WC)
Kansas City Chiefs
Oakland Raiders

NFC East
Dallas Cowboys (#2 seed)
Philadelphia Eagles (WC)
Washington Redskins
New York Giants

NFC North
Detroit Lions
Green Bay Packers
Chicago Bears
Minnesota Vikings

NFC South
Carolina Panthers
New Orleans Saints
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Atlanta Falcons

NFC West
St. Louis Rams (homefield advantage)
Seattle Seahawks (WC)
San Francisco 49ers
Arizona Cardinals

Playoffs:

AFC:
Chargers over Jacksonville
Ravens over Denver

Chargers defeat Colts
Patriots defeat Ravens

NFC:

Eagles over Lions
Seahawks over Panthers

Eagles over Rams
Cowboys over Seahawks

Conference Finals:

Patriots over Chargers
Cowboys over Eagles due to home field advantage.

Super Bowl Champ: Patriots defeat Cowboys

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
08-14-2007, 12:13 PM
Props to Shiver for Jacksonville love.

People are going to be really, really surprised with our new offense this year.

I have to say negative props to shiver for the Bronco hate. Only 13-3? WEEEAK ;)

neko4
08-14-2007, 12:18 PM
NFC North
Detroit Lions
Green Bay Packers
Chicago Bears
Minnesota Vikings



by far my fave

bsaza2358
08-14-2007, 12:19 PM
I hate that entire division. I think the Bears are in for a fall, and I don't like the Packers to fill that void. Detroit seems like a crappy playoff team, but it just made sense.

SuperMcGee
08-14-2007, 12:22 PM
wait if something doesn't add up it means i transfered it wrong from the schedule i made my picks on... cause i didnt just make up random records which i stated before... and i didnt really overate the jets that much

New England --- L
Baltimore --- L
Miami --- W
Buffalo --- W
N.Y. Giants --- W
Philadelphia --- L
Cincinnati --- L
Buffalo --- W
Washington --- W
Pittsburgh --- W
Dallas --- L
Miami --- W
Cleveland --- W
New England --- L
Tennessee --- W
Kansas City --- W

Come on now. The Bills and Jets splitting is as close to a sure thing as there is in football.

neko4
08-14-2007, 12:27 PM
I hate that entire division. I think the Bears are in for a fall, and I don't like the Packers to fill that void. Detroit seems like a crappy playoff team, but it just made sense.

Aside from DET's WR core, GB beats them at just about every position.
DET's defense is still pretty far off and it seems that mean people are thinking they'll ride a WR core to the playoffs. Last time I checked you need a line to block for you so you can throw the ball. You need RB's to keep the defense honest. And you need a QB who wont make bad decisions (Though Favre does alot too)

bsaza2358
08-14-2007, 12:32 PM
Of all of my predictions, I hate that division the most. Something about GB just bothers me. I think it's their lack of a defined running threat at this time and the shaky WR corps that bothers me. I like their defense quite a bit, but I don't trust Favre to carry any offense.

Shiver
08-14-2007, 12:46 PM
Of all of my predictions, I hate that division the most. Something about GB just bothers me. I think it's their lack of a defined running threat at this time and the shaky WR corps that bothers me. I like their defense quite a bit, but I don't trust Favre to carry any offense.

And you shouldn't. Unless he unexpectedly becomes the Brett Favre of last decade.

neko4
08-14-2007, 12:50 PM
And you shouldn't. Unless he unexpectedly becomes the Brett Favre of last decade.

Favre or Kitna?
Plus Favre hasnt been on a good team since 2004, this team is almost as good as that one.

bsaza2358
08-14-2007, 12:52 PM
I would say that the defense is as good as 2004 and the OLine is maybe in the neighborhood, but the offensive skill players cannot possibly be anywhere near the quality that Favre needs to help this team win.

neko4
08-14-2007, 12:54 PM
I would say that the defense is as good as 2004 and the OLine is maybe in the neighborhood, but the offensive skill players cannot possibly be anywhere near the quality that Favre needs to help this team win.

I can see what ya mean about the skill players.
Morency/Jackson/Herron < Green/Davenport/Fisher
Driver is still a 1200yd WR and Jennings is getting there, but bubba is no where near the Bubba of '04

TimD
08-14-2007, 01:04 PM
Come on now. The Bills and Jets splitting is as close to a sure thing as there is in football.

i know it always happens every year but i honestly think that buffalo is just not strong enough to beat the jets next year... but hey ya never know

Shiver
08-14-2007, 01:07 PM
Favre or Kitna?
Plus Favre hasnt been on a good team since 2004, this team is almost as good as that one.

The only thing the Packers have going for them is that none of the other teams have a good QB either. Rex Grossman, Tavaris Jackson and Jon Kitna are just as mistake prone as Favre.

neko4
08-14-2007, 01:15 PM
The only thing the Packers have going for them is that none of the other teams have a good QB either. Rex Grossman, Tavaris Jackson and Jon Kitna are just as mistake prone as Favre.

I feel this maybe the best way to break things down:
QB's:
GB/CHI(Only cuz they have the best backups)
DET
MIN

RB's:
MIN
CHI
DET
GB

WR/TE's:
DET
GB
CHI
MIN

OL:
CHI
GB
MIN
DET

DL:
CHI
GB/MIN
DET

LB:
CHI/GB
MIN
DET

DB:
CHI
MIN
GB
DET

Only is a terrible understatment

P-L
08-14-2007, 01:26 PM
Favre or Kitna?
Plus Favre hasnt been on a good team since 2004, this team is almost as good as that one.
At this point in their careers, they are esentially the same player. Last year, Kitna completed a much better percentage of his passes and they had a nearly identical TD:INT ratio. With the addition of Calvin Johnson, it would not surprise me at all to see Kitna outperform Favre this year. However, I still think the Packers finish ahead of the Lions.

bsaza2358
08-14-2007, 01:29 PM
For the record, I'm not saying that what I have predicted will come true. I looked at things logically and made assessments. Don't hold me to these things, and if I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

neko4
08-14-2007, 01:29 PM
At this point in their careers, they are esentially the same player. Last year, Kitna completed a much better percentage of his passes and they had a nearly identical TD:INT ratio. With the addition of Calvin Johnson, it would not surprise me at all to see Kitna outperform Favre this year. However, I still think the Packers finish ahead of the Lions.

I dont feel he has the line, but definitly a better WR core

PACKmanN
08-14-2007, 01:32 PM
why is there so much hype for the Rams? when did they upgraded there defense?

neko4
08-14-2007, 01:33 PM
why is there so much hype for the Rams? when did they upgraded there defense?

theyve got Jackson and a great offense, and just like how the GB offense carried them to the playoffs in '04, the Rams offense might do the same

bsaza2358
08-14-2007, 02:04 PM
I like the Rams to take a step forward. They have smart QB play in Bulger, solid offensive weapons, a decent OLine, and I think the addition of Carriker will really help their D. Linehan is a very good coach. I just have a hunch about them.

yodabear
08-14-2007, 04:01 PM
Of course there is love for the Rams, if u have them going any thing less than 8-8, u don't know football. They will be 8-8 or better. Here are my NFC West predictions. I will go division by division.

1. St. Louis (10-6)
Wins:Car, SF, @TB, Az, Cle, Sea, Atl, GB, Pit, and @ Az
Losses:@Dal, @Bal, @ Sea, @ NO, @ SF, @ Cin
Ha, I have us going undefeated at home........oh well.

2. San Francisco (7-9)
Wins:Az, Sea, STL, @ Az, Min, TB, @ Cle
Losses:@ STL, @ Pit, Bal, @ NYG, NO, @ ATL, @ Sea, @ Car, Cin

3. Seattle (6-10)
Wins:TB, STL, @ Cle, SF, Az, @ Atl
Losses:@ Az, Cin, @ SF, @ Pit, NO, Chi, @ STL, @ Phi, @ Car, Bal

4. Arizona (5-11)
Wins:Sea, Car, @ Wsh, @ TB, Det
Losses:@ SF, @ Bal, Pit, @ STL, @ Cin, SF, Cle, @ Sea, @ NO, Atl, STL

Yeah, thats right, I am a Rams fan. Call me a homer, I don't care. I don't believe in homerism, just devout optimism. And obviously, Bsaza has us getting home field, so its just not me. I believe the San Fran hype, they are gonna make the playoffs in 09. The Seahawks are fading. And I'm not sure what I have against the Cards. Maybe its their nickname, they are wannabe Cardinals, they need a name change.

KCJ58
08-14-2007, 04:03 PM
Of course there is love for the Rams, if u have them going any thing less than 8-8, u don't know football. They will be 8-8 or better. Here are my NFC West predictions. I will go division by division.

1. St. Louis (10-6)
Wins:Car, SF, @TB, Az, Cle, Sea, Atl, GB, Pit, and @ Az
Losses:@Dal, @Bal, @ Sea, @ NO, @ SF, @ Cin
Ha, I have us going undefeated at home........oh well.

2. San Francisco (7-9)
Wins:Az, Sea, STL, @ Az, Min, TB, @ Cle
Losses:@ STL, @ Pit, Bal, @ NYG, NO, @ ATL, @ Sea, @ Car, Cin

3. Seattle (6-10)
Wins:TB, STL, @ Cle, SF, Az, @ Atl
Losses:@ Az, Cin, @ SF, @ Pit, NO, Chi, @ STL, @ Phi, @ Car, Bal

4. Arizona (5-11)
Wins:Sea, Car, @ Wsh, @ TB, Det
Losses:@ SF, @ Bal, Pit, @ STL, @ Cin, SF, Cle, @ Sea, @ NO, Atl, STL

Yeah, thats right, I am a Rams fan. Call me a homer, I don't care. I don't believe in homerism, just devout optimism. And obviously, Bsaza has us getting home field, so its just not me. I believe the San Fran hype, they are gonna make the playoffs in 09. The Seahawks are fading. And I'm not sure what I have against the Cards. Maybe its their nickname, they are wannabe Cardinals, they need a name change.

i agree with that 100% except that we sweep the Seahawks so we go 11-5 and they go 5-11

bsaza2358
08-14-2007, 04:27 PM
I like the Rams a lot in that division. I see them winning all of the games they're supposed to and doing well with a 5-1/4-2 divisional record. Everything just looks right for them right now. I see the rest of the division beating up on one another. I think the NFC in general will be very tightly packed.

yodabear
08-14-2007, 04:41 PM
NFC North Time from Yodachu

1. Chicago (13-3)
Wins:KC, Dal, @ Det, @ GB, Min, Det, @ Oak, @ Sea, Den, NYG, @ Wsh, @ Min, GB
Losses:@ SD, @ Phi, NO, just cuz its week 17 and they will have all but the super bowl clinched.

2. Green Bay (10-6)
Wins:Phi, @ NYG, @ Min, Wsh, @ Den, @ KC, Min, @ Det, Oak, Det
Losses:SD, Chi, Car, @ Dal, @ STL, @ Chi

3. Minnesota (5-11)
Wins:@ KC, OAK, @ NYG, Det, Wsh
Losses:Atl, @ Det, GB, @ Chi, @ Dal, Phi, SD, @ GB, @ SF, Chi, @ Den

4. Detroit (5-11)
Wins:@ Oak, Min, @ Wsh, TB, KC
Losses:@ Phi, Chi, @ Chi, Den, @ Az, NYG, GB, @ Min, Dal, @ SD, @ GB

I like the Bears a lot. Not only in this division, but in all of the NFC. I said before Green Bay could be 5-11, but they could be 12-4. I see them going 12-4. The Vikings and Lions have tough spots in their schedule. I have the Vikings losing 6 games in weeks 4-10, in which they have a bye. Then they get Oakland, but Jackson will be good, and I see the Vikes being good down the road. I have the Lions losing 8 in a row, where their easiest game is against the Vikes at the Metrodome, which is not easy at all.

neko4
08-14-2007, 05:20 PM
NFC North Time from Yodachu

1. Chicago (13-3)
Wins:KC, Dal, @ Det, @ GB, Min, Det, @ Oak, @ Sea, Den, NYG, @ Wsh, @ Min, GB
Losses:@ SD, @ Phi, NO, just cuz its week 17 and they will have all but the super bowl clinched.

2. Green Bay (10-6)
Wins:Phi, @ NYG, @ Min, Wsh, @ Den, @ KC, Min, @ Det, Oak, Det
Losses:SD, Chi, Car, @ Dal, @ STL, @ Chi

3. Minnesota (5-11)
Wins:@ KC, OAK, @ NYG, Det, Wsh
Losses:Atl, @ Det, GB, @ Chi, @ Dal, Phi, SD, @ GB, @ SF, Chi, @ Den

4. Detroit (5-11)
Wins:@ Oak, Min, @ Wsh, TB, KC
Losses:@ Phi, Chi, @ Chi, Den, @ Az, NYG, GB, @ Min, Dal, @ SD, @ GB

I like the Bears a lot. Not only in this division, but in all of the NFC. I said before Green Bay could be 5-11, but they could be 12-4. I see them going 12-4. The Vikings and Lions have tough spots in their schedule. I have the Vikings losing 6 games in weeks 4-10, in which they have a bye. Then they get Oakland, but Jackson will be good, and I see the Vikes being good down the road. I have the Lions losing 8 in a row, where their easiest game is against the Vikes at the Metrodome, which is not easy at all.

YAY!
I still believe GB will beat CHI once, and I think DET will do a game better

TimD
08-14-2007, 05:28 PM
i'm currently working on another set of predictions my final ones... i'm taking in consideration some of the posts from people on this thread (neko).. they will be similar but a few teams will have different records (most likely the afc north)

GermanSaint
08-14-2007, 06:09 PM
i like you

EdReedUnstoppable
08-14-2007, 06:12 PM
AFC North
1. Cincinnati Bengals
2. Baltimore Ravens
3. Pittsburgh Steelers
4. Cleveland Browns

AFC South:
1. Indianapolis Colts
2. Tennessee Titans
3. Houston Texans
4. Jacksonville Jaguars

Afc East:
1. New York Jets
2. New England Patriots
3. Miami Dolphins
4. Buffalo Bills

AFC West:
1. San Diego Chargers
2. Denver Broncos
3. Oakland Raiders
4. Kansas City Chiefs

Wild Card - Baltimore Ravens, New England Patriots

NFC North
1. Chicago Bears
2. Minnesota Vikings
3. Detroit Lions
4. Green Bay Packers

NFC South:
1. New Orleans Saints
2. Carolina Panthers
3. Atlanta Falcons
4. Tampa Bay Buccanneers

NFC East:
1. Philadelphia Eagles
2. Dallas Cowboys
3. Washington Redskins
4. New York Giants

NFC West:
1. Seattle Seahawks
2. St. Louis Rams
3. San Francisco 49ers
4. Arizona Cardinals

Wildcard - St. Louis Rams, Dallas Cowboys

Crazy_Chris
08-14-2007, 06:41 PM
NFC:

North
1. Chicago Bears 11-5
2. Minnesota Vikings 9-7
3. Green Bay Packers 5-11
4. Detroit Lions 4-12

South
1. Carolina Panthers 10-6
2. New Orleans Saints 7-9
3.Tampa bay Bucaneers 6-10
4. Atlanta Falcons 5-11

East
1. Philadelphia Eagles 11-5
2. Dallas Cowboys 9-7
3. Washington Redskins 7-9
4. New York Giants 6-10

West
1. Seattle Seahawks 12-4
2. St. Louis Rams 10-6
3. San Francisco 49er's 8-8
4. Arizona Cardinals 7-9

AFC

North
1. Baltimore Ravens 13-3
2. Pittsburgh Steelers 9-7
3. Cincinnati Bengals 8-8
4. Cleveland Browns 4-12

South
1. Indianapolis Colts 11-5
2. Jacksonville Jaguars 10-6
3. Tennessee Titans 4-12
4. Houston Texans 3-13

East
1. New England Patriots 13-3
2. New Yorks Jets 9-7
3. Buffalo Bills 7-9
4. Miami Dolphins 5-11

West
1. San Diego Chargers 12-4
2. Denver Broncos 12-4
3. Kansas City Chiefs 5-11
4. Oakland Raiders 4-12

BuckNaked
08-14-2007, 06:42 PM
AFC North
1. Cincinnati Bengals
2. Baltimore Ravens
3. Pittsburgh Steelers
4. Cleveland Browns

AFC South:
1. Indianapolis Colts
2. Tennessee Titans
3. Houston Texans
4. Jacksonville Jaguars

Afc East:
1. New York Jets
2. New England Patriots
3. Miami Dolphins
4. Buffalo Bills

AFC West:
1. San Diego Chargers
2. Denver Broncos
3. Oakland Raiders
4. Kansas City Chiefs

Wild Card - Baltimore Ravens, New England Patriots

NFC North
1. Chicago Bears
2. Minnesota Vikings
3. Detroit Lions
4. Green Bay Packers

NFC South:
1. New Orleans Saints
2. Carolina Panthers
3. Atlanta Falcons
4. Tampa Bay Buccanneers

NFC East:
1. Philadelphia Eagles
2. Dallas Cowboys
3. Washington Redskins
4. New York Giants

NFC West:
1. Seattle Seahawks
2. St. Louis Rams
3. San Francisco 49ers
4. Arizona Cardinals

Wildcard - St. Louis Rams, Dallas Cowboys

I'm starting to like you more and more with having the Vikings in second place.

neko4
08-14-2007, 06:59 PM
NFC:

North
1. Chicago Bears 11-5
2. Minnesota Vikings 9-7
3. Green Bay Packers 5-11
4. Detroit Lions 4-12

South
1. Carolina Panthers 10-6
2. New Orleans Saints 7-9
3.Tampa bay Bucaneers 6-10
4. Atlanta Falcons 5-11

East
1. Philadelphia Eagles 11-5
2. Dallas Cowboys 9-7
3. Washington Redskins 7-9
4. New York Giants 6-10

West
1. Seattle Seahawks 12-4
2. St. Louis Rams 10-6
3. San Francisco 49er's 8-8
4. Arizona Cardinals 7-9

AFC

North
1. Baltimore Ravens 13-3
2. Pittsburgh Steelers 9-7
3. Cincinnati Bengals 8-8
4. Cleveland Browns 4-12

South
1. Indianapolis Colts 11-5
2. Jacksonville Jaguars 10-6
3. Tennessee Titans 4-12
4. Houston Texans 3-13

East
1. New England Patriots 13-3
2. New Yorks Jets 9-7
3. Buffalo Bills 7-9
4. Miami Dolphins 5-11

West
1. San Diego Chargers 12-4
2. Denver Broncos 12-4
3. Kansas City Chiefs 5-11
4. Oakland Raiders 4-12

I'm starting to like you more and more with having the Vikings in second place.

Its good that yall have dreams but it aint happening
But i cant blame yall for being optimistic. The vikes have done good for so long and now that they arent as good its hard to deal w/. Us pack fans had to deal with it too, but those times are over

JoeMontainya
08-14-2007, 07:02 PM
AFC East


1. New England (11-5)
2. Buffalo (7-9)
3. New York (5-11)
4. Miami (5-11)


AFC North


1. Cincinnati (12-4)
2. Pittsburgh (10-6)
3. Baltimore (9-7)
4. Cleveland (3-13)


AFC South


1. Jacksonville (12-4)
2. Indianapolis (9-7)
3. Houston (8-8)
4 Tennessee (4-12)


AFC West


1. Denver (13-3)
2. San Diego (10-6)
3. Oakland (5-11)
4. Kansas City (4-12)


NFC East


1. Dallas (12-4)
2. Philadelphia (10-6)
3. Washington (6-10)
4. New York (4-12)


NFC North


1. Chicago (10-6)
2. Green Bay (9-7)
3. Detroit (7-9)
4. Minnesota (6-10)

NFC South


1. Carolina (12-4)
2. New Orleans (10-6)
3. Atlanta (5-11)
4. Tampa Bay (5-11)


NFC West


San Francisco (10-6)
Seattle (9-7)
St Louis (8-8)
Arizona (6-10)


"BOLD" = playoff berth

Explanations will come later, I have something planned in the not too distant future...

Wow the Browns with the worste record in the entire NFL? Did you watch there first preseason game where they completely dominated the entire game weather it was first string or 4rth? That should tell you just by watching them they are alot better than last year. If youve even paid attention to Jamal Lewis and his 15 yard run, hes as close to being the old Lewis as he will ever get and he will impress this year with our solid OL play. Saying the Browns will only win 3 games is a complete lack of knowledge to the subject.

2006 = No offensive line to speak of. No pass rush. 3 out of our 4 secondary players were hurt most of the season. Worste offensive coordinator (true) in the NFL. No running back. And we basically set the single season record for injured players again.

2007-08 = Very solid O-cordinator took over. We have a very good OL that did great against the cheifs even without Steinbach and Bentley. Pass rush was amazing for a Browns team. All the DB's are healthy. We added Jamal Lewis who is receiving praise from everyone starting with coaches and players, all the way to the media.


Looking at our schedule from 2006, there were a total of 8 games that were won or lost by the Browns within 8 pts. Some of which included the Colts, Chargers, and the Saints(3 of the top 5 teams in the NFL IMO). With the horrid team we had last year, we still competed with these such teams. There was only 2 games all year that we lost by more than 14 pts (Pittsburg and Cincy).

This team is definatly on the rise and if we had the team we have this year for 2006, I would like to think we would have went 9-7 easier than not.

2007-08 schedule:
Steelers = Loss
Bengals = Loss
Raiders = Win
Ravens = Loss
Patriots = Loss
Dolphins = Win
Rams = Loss
Seahawks = Win
Steelers = Win
Ravens = Loss
Texans = Win
Cardinals = Win
Jets = Loss
Bills = Win
Bengals = Loss
49ers = Win

This scenario could happen and it would put us at 8-8 for the year.



PS - to the original poster of this thread: your predictions are basically a mirror of last years results. Do you know how often the NFL actually pans out the way it did the year before? answer = its never close! Theres allways a team like the Saints, etc that completely change things, and you were as conservative as possible.


Ravens
Steelers
Browns
Bengals

Patriots
Jets
Dolphins
Bills

Jaguars
Colts
Texans
Titans

Chargers
Broncos
Chiefs
Raiders


Cowboys
Eagles
Redskins
Giants

Bears
Lions
Packers
Vikings

Rams
Cardinals
Seattle
49ers

Carolina
Saints
Falcons
Tampa Bay

Crazy_Chris
08-14-2007, 07:02 PM
Its good that yall have dreams but it aint happening
But i cant blame yall for being optimistic. The vikes have done good for so long and now that they arent as good its hard to deal w/. Us pack fans had to deal with it too, but those times are over

Not really dreaming it will happen, just wait and see.

neko4
08-14-2007, 07:05 PM
Wow the Browns with the worste record in the entire NFL? Did you watch there first preseason game where they completely dominated the entire game weather it was first string or 4rth?

preseason is a terrible indicatior IMO

EdReedUnstoppable
08-14-2007, 07:06 PM
I'm starting to like you more and more with having the Vikings in second place.

I am a Tarvaris fan!

neko4
08-14-2007, 07:11 PM
I am a Tarvaris fan!

A questionable 2nd year QB who got rattled last year behind a questionable OL throwing to questionable WR's, handing off to a decent rb and an injury prone one.

Crazy_Chris
08-14-2007, 07:23 PM
A questionable 2nd year QB who got rattled last year behind a questionable OL throwing to questionable WR's, handing off to a decent rb and an injury prone one.

Your Delusional, Questionable O-line? maybe the Right side but the left side more than makes up for it. Wr's are questionable. handing off to Two Good Runningbacks.

Sounds better than Old man behind an over-rated, questionable O-line. throwing to a good WR and a ok WR, handing off to a couple of nobody's at RB. Enjoy it when Favre throws 20+ Ints this year :)

xooberon
08-14-2007, 07:44 PM
tarvaris will not be as bad as brad johnson was last year. they still got 6-10 last season with a QB that threw 9 TDs and 15 picks. hell the only reason jackson played at all last year was because johnson was so **** that the vikings had no choice but to yank him

neko4
08-14-2007, 07:54 PM
Your Delusional, Questionable O-line? maybe the Right side but the left side more than makes up for it. Wr's are questionable. handing off to Two Good Runningbacks.

Sounds better than Old man behind an over-rated, questionable O-line. throwing to a good WR and a ok WR, handing off to a couple of nobody's at RB. Enjoy it when Favre throws 20+ Ints this year :)

No your delusonal!
We have won questionable spot on the OL (Spitz) Clifton, Tauscher, Wells, and Colledge played great and Moll is a good backup. Driver is way better than any WR that MIN has and as I do recall Jennings was 2nd recieving yards for a rookie. Jackson fits the system and Morency is a good enough compliment to Jackson's speed.

Crazy_Chris
08-14-2007, 08:11 PM
It's alright you will come out of the delusional state when the season begins and the packers are losing. . .Just because Wells and Colledge played well towards the end of last year does not make them not questionable. No one said anything about our WR's being better than Driver i don't know why you brought that up. and again because Jennings had a decent year last year doesn't necesarilly mean he will be good this year Micheal Clayton Ring a bell? The Rb situation is just laughable.

Crazy_Chris
08-14-2007, 08:12 PM
tarvaris will not be as bad as brad johnson was last year. they still got 6-10 last season with a QB that threw 9 TDs and 15 picks. hell the only reason jackson played at all last year was because johnson was so **** that the vikings had no choice but to yank him

Now that is the truth!

neko4
08-14-2007, 09:07 PM
It's alright you will come out of the delusional state when the season begins and the packers are losing. . .Just because Wells and Colledge played well towards the end of last year does not make them not questionable. No one said anything about our WR's being better than Driver i don't know why you brought that up. and again because Jennings had a decent year last year doesn't necesarilly mean he will be good this year Micheal Clayton Ring a bell? The Rb situation is just laughable.

I can only base my predictions off of last year and hope that development went as expected. In other words if Colledge, Wells and Jennings continue to grow at the same rate they did last year then GB is a main playoff contender. Theres no way i can tell if Jennings will dropoff because im not at TC watching him everyday. On the flip side there is no way you can tell that he will become Michael Clayton. neither of us dont know how well he is progressing. So yes you can say he'll become Clayton, but you havent any proof.

For the record:
Jennings thru 14 games: 632 yds
Williamson thru 28 games: 827 yds
McMullen thru 45 games: 601 yds
Wade thru 58 games: 1199 yds

Please explain how Jackson will have any sucsess with these WR's?
Jennings would be a starter in Minny

Crazy_Chris
08-14-2007, 09:17 PM
Good well hope all you want but don't sit there and state it as if they are definatly good again. i never said they wouldn't be good i said they were indeed questionable, meaning it could go either way. All you want to to is bring up WR as if its the only thing that matters to a quaterbacks sucess there is a lot more to it.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
08-14-2007, 09:22 PM
Wow the Browns with the worste record in the entire NFL? Did you watch there first preseason game where they completely dominated the entire game weather it was first string or 4rth? That should tell you just by watching them they are alot better than last year. If youve even paid attention to Jamal Lewis and his 15 yard run, hes as close to being the old Lewis as he will ever get and he will impress this year with our solid OL play. Saying the Browns will only win 3 games is a complete lack of knowledge to the subject.

2006 = No offensive line to speak of. No pass rush. 3 out of our 4 secondary players were hurt most of the season. Worste offensive coordinator (true) in the NFL. No running back. And we basically set the single season record for injured players again.

2007-08 = Very solid O-cordinator took over. We have a very good OL that did great against the cheifs even without Steinbach and Bentley. Pass rush was amazing for a Browns team. All the DB's are healthy. We added Jamal Lewis who is receiving praise from everyone starting with coaches and players, all the way to the media.


Looking at our schedule from 2006, there were a total of 8 games that were won or lost by the Browns within 8 pts. Some of which included the Colts, Chargers, and the Saints(3 of the top 5 teams in the NFL IMO). With the horrid team we had last year, we still competed with these such teams. There was only 2 games all year that we lost by more than 14 pts (Pittsburg and Cincy).

This team is definatly on the rise and if we had the team we have this year for 2006, I would like to think we would have went 9-7 easier than not.

2007-08 schedule:
Steelers = Loss
Bengals = Loss
Raiders = Win
Ravens = Loss
Patriots = Loss
Dolphins = Win
Rams = Loss
Seahawks = Win
Steelers = Win
Ravens = Loss
Texans = Win
Cardinals = Win
Jets = Loss
Bills = Win
Bengals = Loss
49ers = Win

This scenario could happen and it would put us at 8-8 for the year.



PS - to the original poster of this thread: your predictions are basically a mirror of last years results. Do you know how often the NFL actually pans out the way it did the year before? answer = its never close! Theres allways a team like the Saints, etc that completely change things, and you were as conservative as possible.


Ravens
Steelers
Browns
Bengals

Patriots
Jets
Dolphins
Bills

Jaguars
Colts
Texans
Titans

Chargers
Broncos
Chiefs
Raiders


Cowboys
Eagles
Redskins
Giants

Bears
Lions
Packers
Vikings

Rams
Cardinals
Seattle
49ers

Carolina
Saints
Falcons
Tampa Bay

Raiders were undefeated in preseason last year. Really worked out for them.

And I know it's been said before by others, but I really love how someone's favourite team will automatically beat a team with a similar talent level.

PalmerToCJ
08-14-2007, 09:37 PM
I'm having a lot of trouble seeing a team with a defense as bad as Cincy's finishing ahead of Baltimore or Pittsburgh. I think they're a .500 team.

In 2005 we had easily the worst starting safties in the league (at each position) and won 11 games then were in a game for far too long in the playoffs vs. Pitt without our best/most important player. Tory James was the biggest liability on our defense last year and he is gone. Deltha O'Neal is no longer bitter about his contract and we have Leon Hall backing him up so CB's are improved. Our LB core is improved (Ahmad Brooks > Brian Simmons and Jeanty/Johnson have one more year experience), our DL is improved (Geathers/Peko have one more year experience, John Thornton is still extremely average and Justin Smith is solid), my biggest hope is that at Saftey Madieu Williams will be the playmaker he was in late '04/early '05. Either way our defense is improved and it doesn't have to be great for us to make the playoffs, we had probably what was the hardest schedule last year with TERRIBLE luck (phantom roughing pass call vs. TB then injuries plus the big mistakes that every team that doesn't make the postseason has).

I think the Bengals win the division with Pitt or Baltimore taking the WC. I honestly don't know what to expect out of Pittsburgh this year and I think Baltimore wins 9-10 games. Granted last year I picked Pittsburgh to win the division and we know how that worked out so who knows.


I am most confused about who will win and finish second in the NFCW. I think if the Seahawks are healthy they win it but St. Louis, SF and Arizona all have potential to win it as well so I figure that's the one with the team that really improves over last year and the one that I'll be the most wrong on.

neko4
08-14-2007, 09:38 PM
Good well hope all you want but don't sit there and state it as if they are definatly good again. i never said they wouldn't be good i said they were indeed questionable, meaning it could go either way. All you want to to is bring up WR as if its the only thing that matters to a quaterbacks sucess there is a lot more to it.
well if ya wanna talk about other positons: Taylor's 90 yard run he avg 3.7 yds per carry and Peterson hasnt even played a down

Jackson's confidence level cant be that high after being destroyed last year, childress shouldve never played him, and on that note GB's Staff>Min's staff

yodabear
08-14-2007, 10:19 PM
Don't worry all Yodachu fans, the NFC South and NFC East picks will be up by the time Yoda goes to bed for the night.

TimD
08-14-2007, 10:45 PM
maybe we should make a prediction thread...

yodabear
08-14-2007, 11:42 PM
NFC East Time

1. Philadelphia (11-5)
Wins:Wsh, Det, @ NYG, @ NYJ, Chi, @ Min, Dal, Mia, Sea, NYG, Buf
Losses:@ GB, @ Wsh, @ NE, @ Dal, @ NO

2. Dallas (9-7)
Wins:NYG, @ Mia, STL, Min, Wsh, NYJ, GB, @ Det, Phi
Losses:@ Chi, @ Buf, NE, @ Phi, @ NYG, @ Car, @ Wsh

3. New York Giants (7-9)
Wins:NYJ, SF, @ Mia, Dal, @ Det, Wsh, NE:just cuz the Pats will have everything wrapped up, much like da Bears
Losses:@ Dal, GB, @ Wsh, Phi, @ Atl, Min, @ Chi, @ Phi. @ Buf

4. Washington (6-10)
Wins:Mia, NYG, Phi, @ TB, Buf, Dal
Losses:@ Phi, Det, @ GB, AZ, @ NE, @ NYJ, @ Dal, Chi, @ NYG, @ Min

Philadelphia is solid. I really like their chances if McNabb stays healty, and I never predict injuries, so I see them doing well. Romo will not be a one year wonder, but 9-7 will have him out of the playoffs. The Giants will struggle, Couglin will be canned and they will have to re-condsider if Manning is the man. The Skins will take a step in the right direction. Campbell, Portis, and Moss are a great group of guys. Their D will struggle again.

Average OT LB
08-14-2007, 11:47 PM
Raiders were undefeated in preseason last year. Really worked out for them.

And I know it's been said before by others, but I really love how someone's favourite team will automatically beat a team with a similar talent level.


so the raiders had a really good preseason and went on to have the worst regular season record? what were you sayin about the browns? ...

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
08-14-2007, 11:50 PM
so the raiders had a really good preseason and went on to have the worst regular season record? what were you sayin about the browns? ...

Because preseason means absolutely zilch, it's dumb to think that just because your team did well playing against cover 3 defenses running vanilla plays, they're gonna make some huge turnaround.

Vikes99ej
08-14-2007, 11:51 PM
Vikings will go 0-16. They will never win another game again. I don't even know why they go out and play the games. If you don't put the Vikings last in the NFC North, then you suck, and you have no credibility.

PalmerToCJ
08-14-2007, 11:54 PM
Because preseason means absolutely zilch, it's dumb to think that just because your team did well playing against cover 3 defenses running vanilla plays, they're gonna make some huge turnaround.

Bingo. The Bengals won half as many games in the preseason last year as we did the entire regular season. I was honestly glad we lost the first game lol. The defenses are so boring and the blitzes non-existant.

yodabear
08-14-2007, 11:55 PM
Vikings will go 0-16. They will never win another game again. I don't even know why they go out and play the games. If you don't put the Vikings last in the NFC North, then you suck, and you have no credibility.

I have them tied for last place, so I still have credibility. But hey, they are in the same division as the Lions, that is hard....

Vikes99ej
08-14-2007, 11:58 PM
I have them tied for last place, so I still have credibility. But hey, they are in the same division as the Lions, that is hard....

No, man, the Lions are for real this year. They're going to win the division by 5 games. That team is going places. They botched their drafted again, but they are soooo good!

neko4
08-14-2007, 11:58 PM
Vikings will go 0-16. They will never win another game again. I don't even know why they go out and play the games. If you don't put the Vikings last in the NFC North, then you suck, and you have no credibility.

finally you get it :)

Average OT LB
08-15-2007, 12:04 AM
Because preseason means absolutely zilch, it's dumb to think that just because your team did well playing against cover 3 defenses running vanilla plays, they're gonna make some huge turnaround.


i cant tell if you disagreed with me or not.. i was just pointing out that he said the raiders sucked but did great in the presesaon.. and he also said that because the browns did well in the preseason it should be a sign the wont be in last.. even though the raiders were..

Average OT LB
08-15-2007, 12:13 AM
Ravens 13-3
Steelers 10 -6
Browns 4 - 12
Bengals 6 - 10

Patriots 12 – 4
Jets 9 - 7
Dolphins 5 - 11
Bills 7 - 9

Jaguars 8 - 8
Colts 11 - 5
Texans 5 - 11
Titans 7 - 9

Chargers 11 - 5
Broncos 10 - 6
Chiefs 5 - 11
Raiders 2 – 14


Cowboys 6 - 10
Eagles 10 - 6
Redskins 6 - 10
Giants 8 - 8

Bears 13 - 3
Lions 5 - 11
Packers 8 - 8
Vikings 3 - 13

Rams 11 - 5
Cardinals 6 - 10
Seattle 8 - 8
49ers 7 - 9

Carolina 8 – 8
Saints 9 – 7
Falcons 4 – 12
Tampa Bay 5 - 11

nfrillman
08-15-2007, 12:15 AM
why is there so much hype for the Rams? when did they upgraded there defense?

Well, it would seem that they did their upgrading in the offseason, like the other teams did.

DE- James Hall, extremely underrated addition (led league in sacks before injury)
DT- Adam Carriker, according to Matt Birk (Vikings lineman), Carriker is a beast
LB- Chris Draft, another underrated addition when you consider how much love the Niners are getting over the addition of Banta-Cain, look at career stats for the two
CB- Jonathon Wade, Lenny Walls, Mike Rumph
SS- Todd Johnson

I watched every Rams game, and any criticism of positions other than DT and the other DE spot last year is somewhat unfair. Every game the Rams DT's turned into magicians, seemingly disappearing before your eyes. You would literally have to watch a replay of the play to figure out where the hell they were. If Carriker can come in and just be average that will help a ton, because Jimmie Kennedy was a utterly atrocious.

bearsfan_51
08-15-2007, 12:21 AM
Ravens 13-3
Steelers 10 -6
Browns 4 - 12
Bengals 6 - 10

Patriots 12 4
Jets 9 - 7
Dolphins 5 - 11
Bills 7 - 9

Jaguars 8 - 8
Colts 11 - 5
Texans 5 - 11
Titans 7 - 9

Chargers 11 - 5
Broncos 10 - 6
Chiefs 5 - 11
Raiders 2 14


Cowboys 6 - 10
Eagles 10 - 6
Redskins 6 - 10
Giants 8 - 8

Bears 13 - 3
Lions 5 - 11
Packers 8 - 8
Vikings 3 - 13

Rams 11 - 5
Cardinals 6 - 10
Seattle 8 - 8
49ers 7 - 9

Carolina 8 8
Saints 9 7
Falcons 4 12
Tampa Bay 5 - 11
It's usually a good idea when predicting records to check and make sure they are statistically possibly. You've got way more losses than wins. I mean...just look at the NFC. Mathmatics..it can be your friend.

Average OT LB
08-15-2007, 12:26 AM
It's usually a good idea when predicting records to check and make sure they are statistically possibly. You've got way more losses than wins. I mean...just look at the NFC. Mathmatics..it can be your friend.

nah i was figuring someone would point that out.. but its not like im gonna be right so whats the point in being accurate? I feel its more so designed to gve the general impression as to how well each team will preform..

yodabear
08-15-2007, 12:31 AM
NFC South Time (AFC will be tomorrow, I am a lazy pile)

1. New Orleans (11-5)
Wins:@ TB, Ten, Car, @ Sea, @ SF, STL, @ Hou, TB, Az, Phi, @ Chi
Losses:@ Ind, Atl, Jax, @ Car, @ Atl

2. Atlanta....ooh boy (10-6)
Wins:@ Min, Car, Hou, @ Ten, NYG, @ NO, SF, TB, NO, @ Az
Losses:@ Jax, @ Car, Ind, @ STL, @ TB, Sea

3. Carolina (8-8)
Wins:Hou, TB, Atl, @ GB, NO, SF, Sea, Dal
Losses:@ STL, @ Atl, @ NO, @ Az, Ind, @ Ten, @ Jax, @ TB

4. Tampa Bay (5-11)
Wins:Ten, Jax, @ Hou, Atl, Car
Losses:@ Sea, NO, STL, @ Car, @ Ind, @ Det, Az, @ Atl, Wsh, @ NO, @ SF

New Orleans is more than a one year wonder. I am not sold on their D, but McAllister, Brees, Bush, and Colston, to use a quote from a famous guy: VERY NICE! I gotta stick to my guts, and stick to what I said about Atlanta (see sig), I truely believe that. Carolina is too inconsistent, although the last two years I picked them to go to the super bowl, so this year they will prolly go there, but hey, I have them going 8-8. And Tampa, well, um, I think I was a little optimistic about other teams, and Tampa took the brunt of it. But I stick to what I say. Yeah, their D is good, but Cadilac is a ?, and so is their WR core.

NFC Recap

NFC East
1. Eagles: 11-5. 3 seed in playoffs, lost to the Saints in week 16.
2. Cowboys: 9-7.
3. Giants: 7-9
4. Redskins: 6-10

NFC North
1. Bears. 13-3. 1 seed in playoffs.
2. Packers 10-6. 5 seed in playoffs, I flipped a coin, they were heads, Falcons were tails, came up heads. It was a 2007 American Quarter, with the most worthless state in the land on the back, Washington. All it gave us is Black Sheep.
3. Vikings 5-11.
4. Lions 5-11.

NFC South
1. Saints. 11-5. 2 Seed, Beat the Eagles in week 16.
2. Falcons. 10-6. 6 seed in playoffs, I flipped a coin, they were tails, Packers were heads, came up heads. It was a 2007 American Quarter, with the most worthless state in the land on the back, Washington. All it gave us was the movie Black Sheep.
3. Panthers. 8-8
4. Buccaneers. 5-11

NFC West
1. Rams. 10-6. 4 seed in the Playoffs.
2. 49ers. 7-9
3. Seahawks. 6-10
4. Cardinals. 5-11

Playoffs
3 Eagles over 6 Falcons
4 Rams over 5 Packers

1 Bears over 4 Rams
2 Saints over 3 Eagles

1 Bears over 2 Saints

Yeah, it is pretty much the same as last year except for the wild card teams and west division winner, so I will prolly be wrong, but that is what I think. Gotta a problem with that? Well, too bad.

neko4
08-15-2007, 12:32 AM
suprised to see ATL in

yodabear
08-15-2007, 12:34 AM
suprised to see ATL in

I had to keep my word...

neko4
08-15-2007, 12:36 AM
I had to keep my word...

i understand, it ties in w/ the Harrington theory

yodabear
08-15-2007, 12:37 AM
i understand, it ties in w/ the Harrington theory

Yes, drugs are bad for kids....

KCJ58
08-15-2007, 01:56 AM
AFC East

1. New England (13-3)
2. New York (7-9)
3. Buffalo (7-9)
4. Miami (4-12)

AFC North

1. Cincinnati (12-4)
2. Pittsburgh (8-8)
3. Baltimore (7-9)
4. Cleveland (5-11)

AFC South

1. Indianapolis (13-3)
2. Jacksonville (9-7)
3. Houston (6-10)
4 Tennessee (5-11)

AFC West

1. San Diego (13-3)
2. Denver (9-6-1)
3. Oakland (5-10-1)
4. Kansas City (5-11)

NFC East

1. Dallas (11-5)
2. Philadelphia (8-8)
3. New York (8-8)
4. Washington (6-10)


NFC North

1. Chicago (11-5)
2. Green Bay (9-7)
3. Detroit (5-11)
4. Minnesota (5-11)

NFC South

1. Carolina (12-4)
2. New Orleans (10-6)
3. Tampa Bay (6-10)
4. Atlanta (3-13)


NFC West

1. St Louis (11-5)
2. Seattle (9-7)
3. San Francisco (7-9)
4. Arizona (5-11)

BigDawg819
08-15-2007, 02:33 AM
AFC North

1. Cincinnati (12-4)
2. Pittsburgh (8-8)
3. Baltimore (7-9)
4. Cleveland (5-11)



Worst rankings I've seen to date.

KCJ58
08-15-2007, 02:40 AM
Worst rankings I've seen to date.


yea its pretty bad i have like four 13 win teams dont listen to the numbers and sorry for putting your Ravens so low

BigDawg819
08-15-2007, 02:47 AM
yea its pretty bad i have like four 13 win teams dont listen to the numbers and sorry for putting your Ravens so low

While I accept your apology I am deeply saddened by the Ravens' prediction. But I love the predicting of a tie though.

Boston
08-15-2007, 03:09 AM
Wow. 6-10. That's low, real low.

KCJ58
08-15-2007, 03:10 AM
Wow. 6-10. That's low, real low.

6-10 for who?

Boston
08-15-2007, 03:19 AM
6-10 for who?

The New England Patriots.

KCJ58
08-15-2007, 03:20 AM
The New England Patriots.
who said New England will go 6-10 i think they'll have the best regular season record in the NFL

awfullyquiet
08-15-2007, 03:53 AM
At this point in their careers, they are esentially the same player. Last year, Kitna completed a much better percentage of his passes and they had a nearly identical TD:INT ratio. With the addition of Calvin Johnson, it would not surprise me at all to see Kitna outperform Favre this year. However, I still think the Packers finish ahead of the Lions.

I'm betting that Kitna outperforms Favre.

I like P-L's list, I see where he's coming from. Much makes good sense.

p.s.
1. San Diego (13-3)
2. Denver (9-6-1)
3. Oakland (5-10-1)
4. Kansas City (5-11)

did someone invoke a tie?

awfullyquiet
08-15-2007, 03:55 AM
Although, this is what i more feel like. I counted everything down a few weeks ago, but didn't write down the w/l counter...

AFC EAST
New England Patriots
New York Jets
Buffalo Bills
Miami Dolphins

AFC WEST
San Diego Chargers
Kansas City Chiefs
Denver Broncos
Oakland Raiders

AFC NORTH
Baltimore Ravens
Pittsburgh Steelers
Cleveland Browns
Cincinnati Bengals

AFC SOUTH
Indianapolis Colts
Jacksonville Jaguars
Houston Texans
Tennessee Titans

NFC EAST
Dallas Cowboys
Philadelphia Eagles
Washington Redskins
New York Giants

NFC WEST
San Francisco 49ers
St. Louis Rams
Seattle Seahawks
Arizona Cardinals

NFC SOUTH
New Orleans Saints
Carolina Panthers
Atlanta Falcons
Tampa Bay Buccaneers

NFC NORTH
Chicago Bears
Green Bay Packers
Detroit Lions
Minnesota Vikings

The real noticable things are this:

The east is the Jets and Patriots to win. The jets will a better team than about everyone in the AFC except for the Broncos (among the other non-playoff winners), but will still eke them out with a better conference record for the WC. They also have a legit corner. That's why the jets will make it. Buffalo has a few years to go with introducing lynch to the world, and miami still has it's head between it's legs.

I, unlike many people, don't think the broncos have made enough strides to return to form like they did at the early part of the decade... or even like three years ago... SD is a lock, even though i really think they don't have any wide recievers (other than gates, davis doesn't count, as I don't think anyone thinks, V. Jackson? SCARY! Second tier corners won't have much problem shutting them up... but with LT, things are never alright.), and their defense is the same as last year (losing godfrey wasn't horrid, donnie edwards was a hit)... if they play to the level they did last year, they'll make the playoffs.

I will not say st. louis will make the playoffs... people comparing it to GB of years past, I say this, it's a different world from back then. The NFCW has some relatively tougher defenses than the NFCN did back then... Kitna will throw for more yards then Bulger. More touchdowns too... if it's based on pure offense... I can say the lions will score alot too. The Rams, like the Lions have poor defense. Bottom 16, and that will keep them out, their defense doesn't have any real anchor... I think they'll be the best of those all offense teams, no defense, just like last year. Carricker was an improvement, but it's not looking great.

I think the Jags will continue to improve, and assuming they don't suffer catastrophic losses in injuries like they did last year, they're a lock for at least the wild card in the AFC South, if not an outright beating of Indy. Indy's decline is going to be due to a loss of booger to an already shambaly run stopping unit... lack of cohesion will let teams run and run big on them. expect mjd and taylor to run for 400 yards on them (mild exaggeration)...
PGH's year isn't this year. It's next year. Mark my words. Cleveland will do better than Cincinatti. Carson Palmer will shed a tear or two. Cincy is right below the Rams in balance between offense and defense (meaning, the rams have the slight edge in defense... because honestly, what would you rather take? 85, T.J. and Palmer or Holt, Bruce, and Bulger? Yep. what i thought)

I hate the NFC east because I have a hard time banking on philly if mcnabb steps down again. This time he doesn't have garcia playing at the top of his game. Dallas is close, but Romo (who knows how he got in the pro bowl, is leading an average team. Yes. Average. Ok running game, ok passing game. Ok defense. That may be enough to win the NFC east. That's scary.

The Seahawks fall to the OK status too. After hutch left, the running game went downhill, sure, alexander was running on a gimp foot, but he isn't frank gore. 49ers will pretty much eke out everyone with a 9-7 record (followed by the rams also at 9-7, with a worse division record)... It's tight between all four teams. If Smith shows up, they'll pull away with their adequate (and young) defense, and good offensive weapons.

North is easy. 1) Bears, 2) GB, 3) Detroit, 4) Min. Why? Bears are the complete package this year. GB is balanced, but lacks the explosive offense, but doesn't play with the same defensive level of intensity. Detroit can score points, and on anemic offences that'll win them the battle. Minnesota is in a heap of trouble. No doubt.

The South, like the east gives me questions. I think harrington can do the job in atlanta, but I don't think that's going to be enough with a shoddy defense. Carolina isn't going to put a different team on the field, while they may have the ultimate deep threat reciever in smith, i don't think that will ever be enough without a moose to compliment him... Tampa bay... Gruden. Aw, who knows. The NFCS looks like NO's to lose, much like last year in the NFCN it was to the Bears.

In the end.
It'll be:
WC (Home in Caps, winner in ('s))
stl vs DAL (stl)
sf vs PHI (PHI)
jax vs SD (SD)
nyj vs IND (nyj)

DIV
stl vs CHI (CHI)
phi vs NO (NO)
nyj vs NE (NE)
SD vs bal (bal)

CON
no vs CHI (CHI)
NE vs bal (bal)

SB
bal vs chi (bal)

bsaza2358
08-15-2007, 09:37 AM
I don't see Chicago as a strong enough team to make it back to the playoffs, let alone the 1 seed in the NFC. Lots of reasonable analysis, though.

princefielder28
08-15-2007, 09:49 AM
I don't see Chicago as a strong enough team to make it back to the playoffs, let alone the 1 seed in the NFC. Lots of reasonable analysis, though.

They're good enough to win the division but no way are they going to represent the NFC in the Super Bowl again. Philadelphia, Dallas, New Orleans, and Seattle are all teams I believe are better than the Bears

KCJ58
08-15-2007, 01:39 PM
did someone invoke a tie?

yea its gonna happen in Oakland the score 24-24

bsaza2358
08-15-2007, 01:45 PM
They're good enough to win the division but no way are they going to represent the NFC in the Super Bowl again. Philadelphia, Dallas, New Orleans, and Seattle are all teams I believe are better than the Bears

The Bears appear weaker in most places than they were last year. I don't like Benson at all in their offense, and I don't see Grossman doing that well. Muhammed is aging, Berrian needs to develop, and I'm not terribly high on Greg Olsen this season. On defense, I'm concerned about their depth and push up front, and I feel like the loss of Ron Rivera will hurt them. Their LB's and DB's are very solid. Overall, I just see them as average. They have to play a first place schedule, and I think GB and Detroit are improved.

awfullyquiet
08-15-2007, 02:43 PM
The Bears appear weaker in most places than they were last year. I don't like Benson at all in their offense, and I don't see Grossman doing that well. Muhammed is aging, Berrian needs to develop, and I'm not terribly high on Greg Olsen this season. On defense, I'm concerned about their depth and push up front, and I feel like the loss of Ron Rivera will hurt them. Their LB's and DB's are very solid. Overall, I just see them as average. They have to play a first place schedule, and I think GB and Detroit are improved.

I think losing Rivera was the least of their concerns, Lovie is the architect of the system, and babich is more of a pawn to the Lovie-2 than anything else. Rivera was detracting from the system a little, including catastrophic defensive meltdowns in the playoffs.

Although I agree about the bears getting the first seed, i was shaking with whether or not NO could possible get a better record. Bears have probably one of the weaker schedules if anything? MIN, GB, DET 2 times each? that's at least 5/6... Oak, KC (W/WO LJ)... Seven rather easy wins.

The bears will probably go 10-6 at the least with maybe losses at SD, DAL, PHI, DEN, GB, and NO (the last two are after clinching the division at 10-4)... But, in the same regard, all of those are indeed possible wins for the bears, they don't looked overmatched, bzaza, i think most of your concerns, while valid, they have 4 quality starters in DT, probably the greatest 4-3 DLine depth in the League (after we took Walker from ya iggies (albiet maybe not the better run stopper, but clearly a presence in a gap shooting dline, and adams from the niners), a playing briggs and urlacher, a more improved hillenmeyer (and quality backup in jamar williams and okwo).

NO on the other hand, will maybe lose one at SEA, SF, JAX,CAR, PHI and IND... I think it's possible the game on NYE-E will probably be one of the biggest games, now that i think of it, because both teams are going to to be around 10-5 (I think NO has a good chance of beating CAR and PHI, but Carolina might be able to push one out against them... just as CHI might beat GB or PHI, DAL or DEN) It's close, and that end of season match up will either be a great game to detemine the home field advantage. NO also improved enough IMO to possibly take down Indy in a shootout much like cincy and SD was last year... With an alright defense, they'll look better than IND and drew brees will put up gaudy numbers to bush, meach, henderson, and colston... and deuce up the middle. mmm. it looks beautiful

GB is improved, granted, I concede they can take one from CHI, but Detroit?
Detroit vs Chicago matchup is interesting. Because you have to think, which is better? The bears defense or the lions offense? or, conversly, which is better, the bears offense or the lions defense. The first one will be solved by playing Nickel most the time with Mike Brown and Tillman covering CJ, Vasher on Williams and R. Manning on Furrey, it might just equal out there. With an absense of real running game (Tatum Bell or Kevin Jones), they're a sitting duck to Chicago's improved pass rushing and veteran DB's. If they can pull together a running game, which i don't see likely with their OLine, the game might be competitive. Backus is probably the only quality lineman on their team and woody should be playing better than he has. But if it never gets on the ground, no chance.

In 2005, they got to the playoffs with kyle orton, desmond clark, muhammed, Jones, and a bunch of rookie wideouts based on the play of their defense. If their defense is better than it was last year (which with all the returning starters, I don't see how it can be much worse)... This year they have 3rd year wideouts, who, like it or not, berrian developed last year from his first year into a deep threat, and without regression, he's still prime for 500 yards and 5 TD's, olson/clark for another 1000, muhammed for 700... davis, hester, bradley for 700 or so combined... I can only think that the bears WR's will hold with so much threat coming from all directions. It's the same reason why NE will have such a fantastic year for passing... Distraction, put the ball in hester's hands, you have an issue, focus on him, you'll be putting easy yards in berrians or mooses hands, along the sideline on corner routes... olsen, if he can catch the ball, will like it or not, at least force safeties to look at him before he pulls it through the seam.