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Bearsfan123
08-14-2007, 01:12 PM
We all know about the crazy talented Kenny Phillips. But are there any other Safeties that could be first rounders?

neko4
08-14-2007, 01:19 PM
If Zbikowski lives up to his potential and hype than definitly

Mr. Stiller
08-14-2007, 01:34 PM
If Zbikowski lives up to his potential and hype than definitly

I don't know. I still think he's a 2-3 rounder...

Perhaps Josh Barrett... 6'2 225lbs and could run a sub 4.5 40'.. Could push him to round 1.

Michael Hamlin, Courtney Greene, Kenny Phillips if they declare (Phillips most likely then a toss up between Greene/Hamlin.)

Depending on Nic Harris' speed he could declare early and push for a round 1 pick.

PACKmanN
08-14-2007, 01:37 PM
Jonathan Hefney, Darien Williams, Marcus Griffin.

Michigan
08-14-2007, 01:51 PM
Nic Harris is a beast.

America
08-14-2007, 01:55 PM
Michael Hamlin is a pretty good prospect. He's got pretty good size and range. I don't really know if he'll test well but he plays like a 1st rounder. Josh Barrett is my sleeper for a Tampa 2 team looking for a WLB. People might compare him to Archuletta because they're both LB/SS tweeners from ASU, but Archuletta isn't nearly as light on his feet. Hefney from Tennessee is pretty good, but I don't know about 1st round.

D-Unit
08-14-2007, 02:14 PM
I know Taylor Mays isn't coming out this year, but he is by far my favorite safety in college football.

foozball
08-14-2007, 02:24 PM
quintin demps is so underrated on this site. 8th FS? cmon. he's got the size and very good ballskills. if he runs under the 4.55 area, he'll be a 1st rounder. he's looking at a mid 2nd rounder right now.

Bearsfan123
08-14-2007, 02:30 PM
So I should be looking at Demps, Hamlin, and Courtney Greene?

keylime_5
08-14-2007, 02:53 PM
I think Phillips will be the only one unless another top junior declares (maybe Ellison from SC)

TitanHope
08-14-2007, 03:16 PM
Johnathan Hefney is undersized, so that would be a reason why he wouldn't go in the first round. I think he's a Top 5 safety, even if the juniors declare. He's a punt returner, and a fast ball hawk. He has a lot of qualities that you'd look for in a safety, but he doesn't have the prototypical size that sceptics would want. Probable 2nd Rounder...maybe even third if he doesn't perform well at the combine.

elway777
08-14-2007, 03:27 PM
I think Phillips will be the only one unless another top junior declares (maybe Ellison from SC)

Ellison is not fast enough to be a first round safety(4.65 guy). Another SC Safety/CB Josh Pinkard 6-1 215 4.35 could very well go in the first round this year or next year.

princefielder28
08-14-2007, 03:47 PM
quintin demps is so underrated on this site. 8th FS? cmon. he's got the size and very good ballskills. if he runs under the 4.55 area, he'll be a 1st rounder. he's looking at a mid 2nd rounder right now.

I like Demps as well

keylime_5
08-14-2007, 05:09 PM
Ellison is not fast enough to be a first round safety(4.65 guy). Another SC Safety/CB Josh Pinkard 6-1 215 4.35 could very well go in the first round this year or next year.

My bad, I meant Pinkard. Hard to keep up with those 3 great safeties at SC, and only 2 can start. Ellison is a good one though too, he a thumper but will only ever be a good college DB. Mays is a future top 5 pick.

gator3guy
08-14-2007, 09:23 PM
Reggie Smith has a lot of potential. Definitely has first round talent. Whether he puts it all together or not is a different story. Can also double up as a corner.

And Taylor Mays is just gigantic. I only saw him play a couple games last year cuz we dont get many USC games over here on the east coast but man was he good and that was as a true freshman. He's gonna be as highly regarded as Sean Taylor was when he came outand they have their similarities from what I saw. Can't wait to watch him progress over these next 2 years.

P-L
08-14-2007, 10:21 PM
Reggie Smith has a lot of potential. Definitely has first round talent. Whether he puts it all together or not is a different story. Can also double up as a corner.

I think he is moving back to CB this year.

neko4
08-14-2007, 10:57 PM
Hefney seems more like a CB imo
And are Demps, Hamlin and Griffin related to the NFL safties with the same last names?

Vikes99ej
08-14-2007, 11:46 PM
I'd like to see the day when a 5'9 safety is taken in the first round.

Packers-Cardinals
08-15-2007, 12:38 AM
I'd like to see the day when a 5'9 safety is taken in the first round.

He probably isn't 5'9". Probably more like between 5'7" and 5'8".

VoteLynnSwan
08-15-2007, 12:52 AM
I'd like to see the day when a 5'9 safety is taken in the first round.

Bob Sanders is listed at i believe 5'8'' and was drafted just out of the 1st round... he turned out pretty good.

nobodyinparticular
08-15-2007, 01:36 AM
I truly don't see any way Zbikowski is a 1st round safety. He hits hard, but he is far from adequate in coverage. Far too hyped.

TACKLE
08-15-2007, 11:06 AM
I'd say Kenny Phillips and maybe Josh Barrett. Though with Barrets combo of size and speed, he may be moved to OLB like Thomas Davis was.

Vikes99ej
08-15-2007, 12:32 PM
Bob Sanders is listed at i believe 5'8'' and was drafted just out of the 1st round... he turned out pretty good.

Okay, so Jonathan Hefney is going to be as good as Bob Sanders? Hefney is listed at 185, and I'm sure Sanders weighs more than that.

Clayton89
08-15-2007, 01:56 PM
Hefney seems more like a CB imo
And are Demps, Hamlin and Griffin related to the NFL safties with the same last names?

i know griffin is actually michael's twin brother he just red shirted a year which is why he is in this years draft class. Demps is not related to Will Demps i believe Will did have a brother that played at san diego state that went undrafted and im not sure about hamlin

jsp293
08-15-2007, 04:32 PM
i would not be shocked at all if hefney went in the first round.... very good football player and leader.

naruto613
08-15-2007, 08:23 PM
Patrick Chung anyone?

Axl Rose
08-15-2007, 09:12 PM
I truly don't see any way Zbikowski is a 1st round safety. He hits hard, but he is far from adequate in coverage. Far too hyped.

Go watch tape from 2 years ago when he was an All-American. Last year he put on to much muscle which hurt his speed, he also was injured for several games, and former D-coordinator Rick Minter's scheme had him out of position a lot of the time. Zbikowski will have a better year IMO and earn a first round selection.

Sniper
08-15-2007, 10:00 PM
Go watch tape from 2 years ago when he was an All-American. Last year he put on to much muscle which hurt his speed, he also was injured for several games, and former D-coordinator Rick Minter's scheme had him out of position a lot of the time. Zbikowski will have a better year IMO and earn a first round selection.

Too much muscle? He looked a little bit on the fatter side last year, not more muscular. He's vastly overrated because he's a hard hitter and a decent returner. He can't provide help over the top, let alone cover someone in man coverage. 3-4 round, maybe late 2 with a good season and the fact that everyone knows his name.

Hines
08-15-2007, 11:17 PM
What about Anthony Scirrotto?

Sniper
08-16-2007, 12:09 AM
Well he's officially a SS but plays more like a FS. A bit undersized for a SS, but if he were to officially change to a FS he could be pretty good. More of a ballhawk than a stout run stuffer. At 6', 200 lbs he could make an excellent free safety. I'm not sure about his 40 time (anyone know it) but he plays pretty quickly.

That being said, I still have to watch more of him but he's looked good when I have watched him. Character concerns are sure to drop him out of the first though unless he times in the high 4.3 low 4.4 area, which I highly doubt he does, and put forth a great season, which is possible.

dabears10
08-16-2007, 02:00 AM
Well he's officially a SS but plays more like a FS. A bit undersized for a SS, but if he were to officially change to a FS he could be pretty good. More of a ballhawk than a stout run stuffer. At 6', 200 lbs he could make an excellent free safety. I'm not sure about his 40 time (anyone know it) but he plays pretty quickly.

That being said, I still have to watch more of him but he's looked good when I have watched him. Character concerns are sure to drop him out of the first though unless he times in the high 4.3 low 4.4 area, which I highly doubt he does, and put forth a great season, which is possible.

sorry but who's this?

Sniper
08-16-2007, 02:22 AM
sorry but who's this?

My bad should have quoted Hines right above me. Anthony Scirrotto, SS, Penn State.

naruto613
08-16-2007, 01:32 PM
Patrick Chung anyone?

Oregon's Patrick Chung?

PACKmanN
08-16-2007, 02:48 PM
What about Rolle on FSU? is he coming out this or next year?

HoopsDemon12
08-16-2007, 02:51 PM
What about Rolle on FSU? is he coming out this or next year?

he is only a sophmore this year

duckseason
08-16-2007, 06:15 PM
Oregon's Patrick Chung?

Dude what are you talking about. Everybody knows they don't play defense in the Pac-10. By virtue of his conference affiliation, Patrick Chung is by definition, a softy.

I dunno, I'm hoping he stays slightly under the radar. Considering he's still 19, (he'll be 20 on Sunday) I'm thinking (and hoping) he'll be back in '08. You're right though, he is a beast who I'm sure has already caught the eye of NFL scouts. Should be considered one of the top prospects at the position heading into the '08 season for sure.

Axl Rose
08-16-2007, 08:03 PM
Too much muscle? He looked a little bit on the fatter side last year, not more muscular. He's vastly overrated because he's a hard hitter and a decent returner. He can't provide help over the top, let alone cover someone in man coverage. 3-4 round, maybe late 2 with a good season and the fact that everyone knows his name.

I don't know what you were seeing but he was no where near fat. If you look at the pics of him training in boxing he was very bulky and muscular, way to much to be an effective safety. Thankfully hes stopped training in boxing and is focused on football. He proved he was a first round caliber talent in 2005, he can do it again.

Sniper
08-16-2007, 09:06 PM
I don't know what you were seeing but he was no where near fat. If you look at the pics of him training in boxing he was very bulky and muscular, way to much to be an effective safety. Thankfully hes stopped training in boxing and is focused on football. He proved he was a first round caliber talent in 2005, he can do it again.

Whatever you say man. Trying to talk football with you is impossible because you never stop dick riding ND. So fine, Zbikowski is the greatest thing ever. First team all-american, better than Phillips, next Brian Dawkins/Ed Reed and Devin Hester in the return game. Happy now?

TheMikey10
08-17-2007, 04:55 PM
http://delivery.viewimages.com/xv/72358623.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF19396908EAF14430D35941A502A6F7132BD 1BFD55C191A2E08A

this man


http://www.registerguard.com/news/2006/09/14/images/med/sp_chung02.0914.jpg

him too

HoopsDemon12
08-17-2007, 04:57 PM
http://delivery.viewimages.com/xv/72358623.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF19396908EAF14430D35941A502A6F7132BD 1BFD55C191A2E08A

this man

link doesnt work for me

scottyboy
08-17-2007, 05:04 PM
http://espn-ak.starwave.com/photo/2006/1109/ncf_g_greene_412.jpg

http://www.dailyrecord.com/sports/highschool/galleries/122705ru/images/RUGRID1227e.jpg

this time, the homerism is legit

elway777
08-17-2007, 05:26 PM
Dude what are you talking about. Everybody knows they don't play defense in the Pac-10. By virtue of his conference affiliation, Patrick Chung is by definition, a softy.

I dunno, I'm hoping he stays slightly under the radar. Considering he's still 19, (he'll be 20 on Sunday) I'm thinking (and hoping) he'll be back in '08. You're right though, he is a beast who I'm sure has already caught the eye of NFL scouts. Should be considered one of the top prospects at the position heading into the '08 season for sure.

Your ruining the trend of insert Big Ten/East Coast player here.

Vikes99ej
08-17-2007, 07:42 PM
I'm not even going to say Cincinnati S Haruki Nakamura, because everyone should already assume he's a top 5 pick.

thebow305
08-21-2007, 06:09 PM
I think Jon Hefney is the only other safety than Kenny Phillips that has first round potential as of right now. Harris and Barrett could add to the mix later, but safety is just not a popular pick in the first round of the draft.

WarOnTheShore
08-21-2007, 06:28 PM
I'd say Hefney for sure, but he'll probably move to CB, which should be more natural for him in the pros. Demps could slip in there, I think. He's a heck of a ball player. Barrett has everything you look for, but can't stay healthy. Zbikowski...eh.

The juniors will make or break this draft's safety group. Chung, Jamario O'Neal, Michael Hamlin and Ellison are all top-notch SS prospects. Phillips and Harris, I'd guess, are first round free safeties. I can't see any of those guys lasting past the middle of the second round at the latest.

Travis 24
09-12-2007, 05:45 PM
Courtney Greene, period.

One of the rare safeties than can come up and lay somebody out...then match up on players split wide, and shut em down. He may not be THE fastest guy out there..but he closes on the ball so quickly. Reads QB's very well...probably one of the better tacklers in the country. So versatile..although probably more of a SS in the NFL than a FS. Greene is also a remarkable athlete..very good in basketball as well..

Bias aside, I like him MORE than Kenny Phillips..more fundamentally sound player.

d34ng3l021
09-12-2007, 08:24 PM
http://espn-ak.starwave.com/photo/2006/1109/ncf_g_greene_412.jpg

http://www.dailyrecord.com/sports/highschool/galleries/122705ru/images/RUGRID1227e.jpg

this time, the homerism is legit

This man is right.

CARDIAC CAT 7
09-12-2007, 08:30 PM
I like Demps as well

Demps is a absolute ball hawk, hes going to be good, deserves more attention. Then I thinks Griffin (UT) and Hefney (TEN) have a chance to be 1st Rounders.

D-Fence
09-12-2007, 11:42 PM
This Patrick Chung?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsFHOee7LdI

LOL.

moc182
09-13-2007, 12:44 AM
He's only played two games, but Curtis Taylor has looked first round good too me so far.

duckseason
09-13-2007, 01:41 AM
This Patrick Chung?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsFHOee7LdI

LOL.
Not sure what you mean by that. That was one hell of a tackle. Most DB's will immediately fall to the ground upon getting hit with such a forceful stiff arm. Like this one. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5E383fOCduA) Or even better, this one. (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3857639975167449735&q=jeremiah+johnson+stiffarm&total=2&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0)

Looked like Lynch was the one who got up hobbling in that clip you posted anyway. That's more of a testament to Chung's toughness than anything to laugh about.

YAYareaRB
09-13-2007, 01:44 AM
Quinn Gooch from BYU looked really good in the games vs UCLA and Arizona.

ShutDwn
09-17-2007, 06:52 PM
He's only played two games, but Curtis Taylor has looked first round good too me so far.

Yeah, he has great size as well.

23trufant
09-18-2007, 01:04 PM
Johnathan Hefney is undersized, so that would be a reason why he wouldn't go in the first round. I think he's a Top 5 safety, even if the juniors declare. He's a punt returner, and a fast ball hawk. He has a lot of qualities that you'd look for in a safety, but he doesn't have the prototypical size that sceptics would want. Probable 2nd Rounder...maybe even third if he doesn't perform well at the combine.


Agreed if he was 2 inches taller he would definately be a first rounder, I am a big fan of his.

Geo
09-18-2007, 02:04 PM
Bob Sanders is listed at i believe 5'8'' and was drafted just out of the 1st round... he turned out pretty good.

Okay, so Jonathan Hefney is going to be as good as Bob Sanders? Hefney is listed at 185, and I'm sure Sanders weighs more than that.
Bob Sanders, the 12th pick of the 2nd round and 44th overall pick in the 2004 Draft, reportedly measured in at the Combine at 5' 8-3/8" and 204 lbs. (http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=59119)

Also: 4.35 40 Yrd Dash, 15 225-lb. bench reps, 41.5 vertical jump, 10' 8" broad jump, 3.95 20-yd shuttle, and 6.70 3-cone drill.