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neko4
08-14-2007, 02:28 PM
Ive been waiting to do this for awhile, will hopefully update everyday.

101-Doug Flutie Boston College (Chicago Bears 1986-1987; New England Patriots 1987-1989, 2005; Buffalo Bills 1998-2000; San Diego Chargers 2001-2004)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/sports/images/nfl/1999/flutie_100499ap.jpg
If i was doing CFL's greatest QBs he'd be up there, but unfortunetly he didnt have as great of an NFL career. He did overcome his small stature and was a good QB for a short time (Probably the shortest QB to ever throw for 3,000 yards)
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100-Cecil Isbell Purdue (Green Bay Packers 1938-1942)
http://www.profootballhof.com/images/content/photos/1938isbell.jpg
Became the first ever player to throw for 2,000 yards, but had the benefit of throwing to the best WR of the era (Hutson). But throwing for 2,000 yards in a time when passing was taboo still counts for something special. Retired after his 2,000 yard season.
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99-Tommy Maddox (Denver Broncos 1992-1993; LA Rams 1994; 1995 NY Giants; Pittsburgh Steelers 2001-2005)
http://images.sportsnetwork.com/football/nfl/allsport/steelers/maddox_tommy8a.jpg
Potentially he couldve been higher, but this list is about what he's done. At one point a bust he came back in 2002 and proved that he had the talent all along.
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98-Mark Rypien (Washington Redskins 1988-1993; Cleveland Browns 1994; St.Louis Rams 1995, 1997; Philadelphia Eagles 1996; Indianapolis Colts 2001)
http://sportsmed.starwave.com/media/nfl/2001/0509/photo/s_rypien_i.jpg
Was a product of a great supporting cast, but had a phenomanal Super Bowl performence and was a two time pro bowler.
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97-Jon Kitna (Seattle Seahawks 1997-2000; Cincinnati Bengals 2001-2005; Detroit Lions 2006-Present)
http://media.theinsiders.com/Media/Player/89962_Jon_Kitna.JPG
In 2003 he helped bring the Bengals back from mediocracy and won the comeback player of the year award. His career looks like its gonna take another positive turn in Detoit with a stellar WR core.
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96-Jake Delhomme (New Orleans Saints 1999-2002; Carolina Panthers 2003-Present)
http://www.prosportspictures.com/images/carolina-panthers/05-jake-delhomme-action-1-sm.jpg
Led Carolina to their first ever Super Bowl and is a one time Pro Bowler. He still has a promising career ahead of him.

Ewing
08-14-2007, 02:29 PM
Tommy Maddox!?

Jonathan_VIlma
08-14-2007, 02:46 PM
Lets make this a party and throw Rob Johnston on the list too!

doingthisinsteadofwork
08-14-2007, 07:58 PM
This should be fun.

Ewing
08-14-2007, 07:59 PM
This should be fun.

Until we see Peyton Manning ranked higher than Joe Montana, Johnny Unitas and Dan Marino.

neko4
08-14-2007, 08:00 PM
Until we see Peyton Manning ranked higher than Joe Montana, Johnny Unitas and Dan Marino.

too bad i dont think that way

Ewing
08-14-2007, 08:01 PM
too bad i dont think that way

Good. Also, why not just post the entire list now instead of making people wait?

neko4
08-14-2007, 08:06 PM
Good. Also, why not just post the entire list now instead of making people wait?

i get bored to quick if i do it like that

bearsfan_51
08-14-2007, 08:12 PM
Peyton Manning should be higher than Dan Marino IMO.

neko4
08-14-2007, 10:45 PM
95-Lynn Dickey (Houston Oilers 1971-1975; Green Bay Packers 1976-1985)
http://www.endzone.it/images/uploads/articoli/Dickey,Lynn3.jpg
Threw for over 4,400 yards in 1983 (which ranked 3rd most at the time) but always had the benefit of thowing to James Lofton. Suprisingly Dickey's 4,458 yards is still the most in Packer history.

94-Jeff Blake (New York Jets 1992-1993; Cincinatti Bengals 1994-1999; New Orleans Saints 2000-2001; Baltimore Ravens 2002; Arizona Cardinals 2003; Philadelphia Eagles 2004; Chicago Bears 2005)
http://media.scout.com/Media/NFL/166721_jeff_blake.JPG
This former Pro Bowler turned journeyman was the only good thing happening for the Bengals in the Mid-90's. Has had one of the best deep balls in history which was why he was so good with deep threats Pickens and Scott.

TimD
08-14-2007, 10:48 PM
hmmm i wonder where vinny will be on this list haha

neko4
08-14-2007, 10:55 PM
hmmm i wonder where vinny will be on this list haha

soon!
And Namath ranks higher than most people would like, but the guy had the championships and means alot to the history of the game. A player's legend had alot to do w/ some of the picks

bearsfan_51
08-14-2007, 10:59 PM
Just let me know now, is Brett Favre's ranking going to make me angry?

neko4
08-14-2007, 11:02 PM
Just let me know now, is Brett Favre's ranking going to make me angry?

5-10 range? thats where most people have him

bearsfan_51
08-14-2007, 11:25 PM
5-10 range? thats where most people have him
Ok that's acceptable. I was afraid he would be top 3.

BigDawg819
08-14-2007, 11:28 PM
Ok that's acceptable. I was afraid he would be top 3.

The mere mention of him being a possible top 3 All-Time QB just made he throw up a little in my mouth.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
08-14-2007, 11:35 PM
Peyton Manning should be higher than Dan Marino IMO.

I think it depends on how you define "Best QB". If it's best total career, then Peyton can't be the best. But if it's best actual player, who you would take in an all-time draft over anyone, then Peyton has an argument.

BigDawg819
08-14-2007, 11:38 PM
I think it depends on how you define "Best QB". If it's best total career, then Peyton can't be the best. But if it's best actual player, who you would take in an all-time draft over anyone, then Peyton has an argument.

And we all accept that no matter what the circumstances that Jay Culter is always #1. :D

bearfan
08-14-2007, 11:52 PM
I think it depends on how you define "Best QB". If it's best total career, then Peyton can't be the best. But if it's best actual player, who you would take in an all-time draft over anyone, then Peyton has an argument.

I wasnt alive, nor a huge football fan during Marino's career, but I cant imagine someone rivaling Peyton Manning. You watch him, and he is just the most gifted player I have ever seen. He will pick you apart, he is incredible. I just cant see someone else rivaling someone who runs the offense and can do what Peyton can

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
08-14-2007, 11:53 PM
And we all accept that no matter what the circumstances that Jay Culter is always #1. :D

He's above number 1. A number us mere mortals cannot comprehend.

BigDawg819
08-14-2007, 11:56 PM
I wasnt alive, nor a huge football fan during Marino's career, but I cant imagine someone rivaling Peyton Manning. You watch him, and he is just the most gifted player I have ever seen. He will pick you apart, he is incredible. I just cant see someone else rivaling someone who runs the offense and can do what Peyton can

How old are you then since Marino retired in 1999?

neko4
08-14-2007, 11:57 PM
I wasnt alive, nor a huge football fan during Marino's career, but I cant imagine someone rivaling Peyton Manning. You watch him, and he is just the most gifted player I have ever seen. He will pick you apart, he is incredible. I just cant see someone else rivaling someone who runs the offense and can do what Peyton can

In your era yes, but Unitas had everything Manning did, but was a bit more mobile and had better toughness. Marino is almsot exactly like Manning. Elway was probably the most talented QB ever. Favre and Young could make throws on the run. Montana had great leadership and inteligence. Plus we've yet to see Manning when he gets old. Its easy to say he's the best when we've yet to see his last days whereas we've seen everyone else's

PalmerToCJ
08-15-2007, 12:01 AM
Two players who had their best years as Bengals already, sweet.

Blake along with Carl Pickens/Darnay Scott were actually fun to watch at times in the 90's... Gave me a reason to watch some games and was what really made me a fan. I watched Blake/Kordell play in the first game I ever went to and they sure put some air under the ball, especially Blake.

bearfan
08-15-2007, 12:02 AM
How old are you then since Marino retired in 1999?

Im 16, but I didnt start paying attention to football w/ the interest level that I have had the past few years until around 7th grade (made me 12-13). I had 8 years to watch him play, and I wouldnt have understood at the time what was going on if I did.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
08-15-2007, 12:03 AM
I wasnt alive, nor a huge football fan during Marino's career, but I cant imagine someone rivaling Jay Cutler. You watch him, and he is just the most gifted player I have ever seen. He will pick you apart, he is incredible. I just cant see someone else rivaling someone who runs the offense and can do what Cutler can

I 100% agree.

neko4
08-15-2007, 12:06 AM
Two players who had their best years as Bengals already, sweet.

Blake along with Carl Pickens/Darnay Scott were actually fun to watch at times in the 90's... Gave me a reason to watch some games and was what really made me a fan. I watched Blake/Kordell play in the first game I ever went to and they sure put some air under the ball, especially Blake.

2 more bengals to go

BigDawg819
08-15-2007, 12:10 AM
Im 16, but I didnt start paying attention to football w/ the interest level that I have had the past few years until around 7th grade (made me 12-13). I had 8 years to watch him play, and I wouldnt have understood at the time what was going on if I did.

Well I understand your younger and have only Peyton to reference, but he's not the greatest QB ever. Without Johnny Unitas who knows where football would be today, especially the QB position. Then you add in Marino and Montana, what they could do in their day to opponents was just wow. Montana was just an artist in the West Coast Offense, and Marino was incredible. You knew Dan was passing and yet they still couldn't stop him, and he never had a legitimate rushing attack to take of the pressure. Peyton is definitely the cream of the crop from this era, but he also has been provided with excellent weapons and an offense tailored around him, much like Jim Kelly with the K-Gun offense.

BigDawg819
08-15-2007, 12:11 AM
2 more bengals to go

I'll ruin the surprise, its Ken Anderson and Boomer Esiason. :D

neko4
08-15-2007, 12:22 AM
93-Steve Beurline (LA Rams 1988-1989; Dallas Cowboys 1991-1992; Phoenix Cardinals 1993-1994; Jacksonville Jaguars 1995; Carolina Panthers 1996-2000; Dever Broncos 2001-2004)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1040000/images/_1044479_beuerlein300.jpg
Its hard to be a sucessful QB on an expansion team. Its harder to lead them to the playoffs and its harder to throw for 4,000 yards and 36 touchdowns as he did in 1999.

92-Drew Brees (San Diego Chargers 2001-2005; New Orleans 2006-Present)
http://www.meyhem.org/bryon/archives/DrewBrees.jpg
Was almost a draft bust until 2004 when he would make the Pro Bowl and be named the NFL's comeback player of the year. Currently holds SD's highest career QB rating and future in New Orleans looks bright.

91-Vinny Testaverde (Tampa Bay Bucaneers 1987-1992; Cleveland Browns 1993-1995; Baltimore Ravens 1996-1997; New York Jets 1998-2003, 2005; Dallas Cowboys 2004; New England Patriots 2006-Present)
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/features/1998/weekly/980615/nfl0615/images/PF06152.JPG
At 43 years young Vinny is still slinging the ol' pigskin with the Patriots. His long list of achievements is a tribute to his longevity and arguably the best QB in Ravens history. Also had sucess in New York, Cleveland and in a one year stint with Dallas. Ranks high in almost every major statistical category for QB's.

Average OT LB
08-15-2007, 12:23 AM
Wow this list seems pretty good, seeing as how hard is it. There have been alot of qbs in the league, and alot were pretty dmn good... so its nice to see non-present qbs.. adds to the merit

bearsfan_51
08-15-2007, 12:24 AM
I'm as big of a football purist as anyone, and I think it's very very possible that Peyton go down as the best ever. Same for LT, although LT has a lot longer to go.

neko4
08-15-2007, 12:27 AM
I'll ruin the surprise, its Ken Anderson and Boomer Esiason. :D

no the correct answear is Akili Smith and Dave Klingler

BigDawg819
08-15-2007, 12:27 AM
I'm as big of a football purist as anyone, and I think it's very very possible that Peyton go down as the best ever. Same for LT, although LT has a lot longer to go.

Can Peyton go down as one of the greats, yes. Is he there now, no. That's obvious but yet still needs to be said. He has an uncanny knack for not getting hurt and add that to his football intelligence on the field and when he does retire he will have a hell of an argument for the title for the best ever. Plus owning pretty much every major record won't hurt either.

BigDawg819
08-15-2007, 12:29 AM
no the correct answear is Akili Smith and Dave Klingler

Thats not even funny as much as it is psychotic. Well done.

neko4
08-15-2007, 12:48 AM
Just to fill in some time in between now and when i feel like doing another one
Best Running QB's(who could pass too):

1-Randall Cunningham
2-Mike Vick
3-Steve Young
4-John Elway
5-Fran Tarkenton
6-Otto Graham
7-Steve McNair
8-Donovan McNabb
9-Kordell Stewart
10-Steve Grogan

Best QB's by decade
50's: Otto Graham, Johnny Unitas, Sammy Baugh
60's: Johnny Unitas, Bart Starr, Fran Tarkenton
70's: Roger Staubach, Terry Bradshaw, Fran Tarkenton
80's: Joe Montana, Dan Marino, Dan Fouts
90's: John Elway, Brett Favre, Troy Aikman
00's: Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Brett Favre (Could be replaced by Brees or Palmer soon)

Vince Lombardi
08-15-2007, 09:27 AM
Just to fill in some time in between now and when i feel like doing another one
Best Running QB's(who could pass too):

1-Randall Cunningham
2-Mike Vick
3-Steve Young
4-John Elway
5-Fran Tarkenton
6-Otto Graham
7-Steve McNair
8-Donovan McNabb
9-Kordell Stewart
10-Steve Grogan

This list doesn't make a lot sense. No way Vick should be above most of these guys if passing is seriously factored in. And if the list is mostly based on running ability then Vick should be #1. Cunningham was a much better QB, but I think Vick has the slight edge in running ability.

neko4
08-15-2007, 10:19 PM
90-Trent Green (San Diego Chargers 1993-1994; Washington Redskins 1995-1998; St.Louis Rams 1999-2000; Kansas City Chiefs 2001-2006; Miami Dolphins 2007-Present)
http://www.kcwarroom.com/files/images/trent-green-passing.jpg
What was once a promising NFL career for a long time journeyman was about to be ended or so it seemed in 1999. In 2003 though Trent had a late breakout year with the Kansas City Chiefs throwing for over 4,000 yards (an achievement he would do 2 more times over the next two years) Green suffered another majory injury in 2006 and will play for the Dolphins this year. If he finds sucess again expect him to jump up this list.

89-Doug Williams (Tampa Bay 1978-1982; Washington 1986-1989)
http://www.haruth.com/images/DougWilliams.jpg
His career achievements arent as impressive as the guys before him, but becoming the first African-American to win the Super Bowl, IMO, could help lay to rest any remaining racisim in football. Not only that but his Super Bowl perferomence ranks as one of the greatest for a quarterback.

88-Jeff Garcia (San Francisco 1999-2003; Cleveland 2004; Detroit 2005; Philadelphia 2006; Tampa Bay 2007-Present)
http://www.sptimes.com/2003/01/12/bucsphotos/Jeff-Garcia.jpg
Despite what TO says, Garcia is a great QB. The three-time Pro Bowler had great sucess in San Fran including a controversial comeback over the New York Giants. He would spend two horrendous seasons in Detroit and Cleveland, but got his groove back in Philly going 5-1 in 6 starts. Garcia will look to continue his sucess in Tampa Bay this season.

MasterShake
08-16-2007, 10:36 AM
Just to fill in some time in between now and when i feel like doing another one
Best Running QB's(who could pass too):

1-Randall Cunningham
2-Mike Vick
3-Steve Young
4-John Elway
5-Fran Tarkenton
6-Otto Graham
7-Steve McNair
8-Donovan McNabb
9-Kordell Stewart
10-Steve Grogan

Best QB's by decade
50's: Otto Graham, Johnny Unitas, Sammy Baugh
60's: Johnny Unitas, Bart Starr, Fran Tarkenton
70's: Roger Staubach, Terry Bradshaw, Fran Tarkenton
80's: Joe Montana, Dan Marino, Dan Fouts
90's: John Elway, Brett Favre, Troy Aikman
00's: Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Brett Favre (Could be replaced by Brees or Palmer soon)

Just to point out, when you list the best QB's of the 90's, Steve Young makes the list before Troy Aikman....and its not even close.

neko4
08-16-2007, 11:17 AM
Just to point out, when you list the best QB's of the 90's, Steve Young makes the list before Troy Aikman....and its not even close.

that makes sense, it was late when i was making that

neko4
08-16-2007, 11:36 AM
87-Ed Brown (Chicago 1954-1961; Pittsburgh 1962-1965; Baltimore Colts 1965)
http://www.angelfire.com/mb/markssigningbonus/edbrown.JPG
Coming into the list I didnt much about Brown, aside from playing with the Bears, but it didnt take long for me to realize that he wasnt half bad. He was originally drafted by the Bears in '52, but was also drafted by the Marines. In '54 he returned to football where he would beat out George Blanda for the starting job and the lead Da Bears to an 8-4 record. In '56 he lead the league in passing and the Bears to a Championship game against the New York Giants, where they were blown out. Brown never fully recorved from the loss and would get some of his ability back when he went to Pittsburgh. Brown was known at the time as when of the best downfield passers.
R.I.P. Ed Brown October 26, 1928-August 2nd 2007

86-Babe Parilli (Green Bay 1952-1953, 1957-1958; Cleveland 1956; Oakland 1960; Boston 1961-1967; New York Jets 1968-1969)
http://www.collectr.com/fb/images/fpparillib.jpg
He was a journeyman who had played for two different leagues (NFL,CFL) before finding sucess in the AFL, where he was a 3-time all-star. At the end of his career he had thrown for over 25,000 yards and 200 touchdowns (Pretty good for a QB in the 60's) In 1964 he would throw for over 3500 yards and 31 touchdowns. Unfortunetly he never won a championship as a starter, but would backup Joe Namath in Super Bowl III.

PalmerToCJ
08-16-2007, 08:36 PM
I'll ruin the surprise, its Ken Anderson and Boomer Esiason. :D

Could Anderson break the top 10? I've seen him on other top 10's. Honestly I don't have an opinion on him considering I've never seen him play a game, all I know is the older Bengal fans really like him.

neko4
08-16-2007, 08:43 PM
Could Anderson break the top 10? I've seen him on other top 10's. Honestly I don't have an opinion on him considering I've never seen him play a game, all I know is the older Bengal fans really like him.

In a recent list of the 100 top QB's, which inspired me to make this one, Ken was ranked in the top 10, a spot above Favre

Im gonna try and whip out like 20 or so tommrow

cardsalltheway
08-16-2007, 08:48 PM
How exactly is a 15 year old compiling a "101 Greatest NFL QB's" list?

Ravens1991
08-16-2007, 08:51 PM
perhaps he has good knowledge of NFL history.

Canadian_kid16
08-16-2007, 08:59 PM
How exactly is a 15 year old compiling a "101 Greatest NFL QB's" list?


Google is the answer for everything

neko4
08-16-2007, 09:15 PM
How exactly is a 15 year old compiling a "101 Greatest NFL QB's" list?

perhaps he has good knowledge of NFL history.

Correct, or history when it comes to QB's
I was the first 3 year old to acknowledge the exsitence of Johnny U

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
08-16-2007, 09:49 PM
Even if I end up wholly disagreeing, I have to give you props for even trying this. I know I couldn't make a list of 100 anythings without having all of them being "Denver Broncos" or Jay Cutler.

neko4
08-16-2007, 10:24 PM
85-Frank Reich (Buffalo 1985-1994; Carolina 1995; New York Jets 1996; Detroit 1997-1998)
http://sportsmed.starwave.com/classic/2000/1201/photo/s_reich_i.jpg
The greatest backup in the history of the NFL. His entire career can be defined by the greatest comeback in NFL history, along with a few minors ones in which he came in for Kelly.

Shahin
08-17-2007, 04:21 AM
How exactly is a 15 year old compiling a "101 Greatest NFL QB's" list?

He may know more than you.

bearfan
08-17-2007, 07:59 AM
Craig Krenzel going to be on this list? If not, this is the worst complilation I have ever seen

SuperMcGee
08-17-2007, 01:02 PM
One of the very few memorable games that go in the Bills' favor. God Bless Frank Reich.

ChiFan24
08-17-2007, 01:27 PM
How exactly is a 15 year old compiling a "101 Greatest NFL QB's" list?

How exactly is someone whose posts are normally one or two lines in length knocking someone who is making posts with actual content?

GoinDeepWithCJ
08-17-2007, 03:03 PM
Craig Krenzel going to be on this list? If not, this is the worst complilation I have ever seen

Chad Hutchinson > Craig Krenzel :)

Im only joking.

neko4
08-17-2007, 03:06 PM
84-Mark Brunell (Green Bay 1993-1994; Jacksonville 1995-2003; Washington 2004-Present)
http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/topstory/sports/brunell0330.jpg
The three time Pro Bowler found sucess with an expansion team, and was able to lead them to the playoffs three times. While in Jacksonville he made a name for himself as a scrambling QB and in one season passed for over 4,000 yards on route to the AFC Championship game in '96. Both he and the Jaguars werent so fortunate during the beginning of the 21st century, and in 2004 he became a Washington Redskin. Struggling at first, and being benched in favor of Patrick Ramsey in '04, he would have a renaissance in 2005. In that year he had 23 touchdown passes and would lead the Skins to the Divisional playoff match. In '06 things went sour again and Brunell was benched in favor of Jason Campbell.

83-Jeff Hostetler (New York Giants 1985-1992; Oakland 1993-1996; Washington 1997-1998)
http://www.endzone.it/images/uploads/articoli/Hostetler,Jeff5.jpg
Hostetler is kinda like a richman's Frank Reich. Like Reich he tookover for an injured QB and led them through the playoffs, but unlike Reich Hostetler became a sucessful starter. After leading the '90 Giants to a Super Bowl victory, he would beat out Phil Simms for the starting job in '91. But his fist year as a starter was fairly unsucessful as the G-Men went 14-18 with him as the starter in '91 and '92. He would find sucess in Oakland as he was able to make the Pro Bowl in '94.

82-Jim Harbaugh (Chicago 1987-1993; Indianapolis 1994-1997; Baltimore 1998; San Diego 1999-2000; Carolina 2001)
http://www.colts.com/images/news_photos/history/40_harbaugh/Harbaugh3.jpg
Was a first round pick by Chicago and found reasonable sucess in '91 when he passed for 3,000 yards, but most of his sucess was in Indianapolis where he would become a Pro Bowler. In '95 he had a 100.7 passer rating and would make the Pro Bowl, along with being the Comeback Player of the Year, a top candidate for MVP and leading the Colts to the AFC Championship game. The '95 AFC Championship game ended in dramatic fashion as Harbaugh's Hail Mary was incomplete. He would also go on to have good sucess in San Diego and would retire in Carolina.

255979119
08-17-2007, 03:16 PM
So, I assume you have Jim Sorgi in the top 2?

neko4
08-17-2007, 03:17 PM
So, I assume you have Jim Sorgi in the top 2?

Why wouldnt I?
Only behind Favre

255979119
08-17-2007, 03:18 PM
Why wouldnt I?
Only behind Favre

I think he could give Favre a run for his money, any day.

Pack_Attack_4
08-17-2007, 04:42 PM
I think he could give Favre a run for his money, any day.

well ur an idiot then

Mr. Stiller
08-17-2007, 05:08 PM
Could Anderson break the top 10? I've seen him on other top 10's. Honestly I don't have an opinion on him considering I've never seen him play a game, all I know is the older Bengal fans really like him.

And he's our QB Coach.

Ewing
08-17-2007, 05:14 PM
well ur an idiot then

What are you talking about? Jim Sorgi can throw the ball 90 yards downfield from his stomach. He's incredible.

neko4
08-17-2007, 05:39 PM
81-Chris Chandler (Indianapolis 1988-1989; Tampa Bay 1990-1991; Phoenix 1991-1993; LA/STL Rams 1994, 2004; Houston Oilers 1995-1996; Atlanta 1997-2001; Chicago 2002-2003; )
http://espn-att.starwave.com/media/photo/1999/january/25/a_chandler.jpg
It took him an awfully long time to find the team that fit him best, but when he did find the team, payed off big time. With the Falcons in '97 he reached the Pro Bowl with a 95.1 QB rating, but the best was yet to come. Under Coach Dan Reeves and handing the ball of to Jamal Anderson, Chandler would reach the Pro Bowl again in '98 with a 100.9 rating but more importantly took the Falcons to their first Super Bowl. Unfortunetly the Falcons lost, but Chandler was able to get his name into the history books.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
08-17-2007, 05:50 PM
I'd say number one should be a tossup between Sorgi and Cutler. I mean, they're both so good, it's tough to pick just one of them.

neko4
08-17-2007, 05:52 PM
I'd say number one should be a tossup between Sorgi and Cutler. I mean, they're both so good, it's tough to pick just one of them.

well yeah, but Sexy Rexy Grossman aint bad neither

BigDawg819
08-17-2007, 05:56 PM
I'd say number one should be a tossup between Sorgi and Cutler. I mean, they're both so good, it's tough to pick just one of them.

Right now you have to put Sorgi a scosh above Cutler since Jim single handily took the Colts to the Super Bowl and got them the victory.

Ewing
08-17-2007, 06:17 PM
I'd say number one should be a tossup between Sorgi and Cutler. I mean, they're both so good, it's tough to pick just one of them.

I think we all know that Ryan Leaf is going to be number one.

Philliez01
08-17-2007, 06:19 PM
I'd say number one should be a tossup between Sorgi and Cutler. I mean, they're both so good, it's tough to pick just one of them.

Sorgi has the Super Bowl ring, though. His contributions in the AFCCG have to be admired.

I think Brunell could be a little higher personally. But good job so far, though you aren't the only 3-year old who knew of Johnny U!

BigDawg819
08-17-2007, 06:20 PM
I think we all know that Ryan Leaf is going to be number one.

I think we can all agree on that and the fact that Akili Smith has top be top 3.

Philliez01
08-17-2007, 06:22 PM
I think we can all agree on that and the fact that Akili Smith has top be top 3.

No way. Top-5 MAYBE. We are looking at:

1-Jim Sorgi
2-J-Cut
3-Bobby Hoying
4-Johnathon Quinn
5-A tossup between Hutch, Akili and Krenzel.

BigDawg819
08-17-2007, 06:34 PM
No way. Top-5 MAYBE. We are looking at:

1-Jim Sorgi
2-J-Cut
3-Bobby Hoying
4-Johnathon Quinn
5-A tossup between Hutch, Akili and Krenzel.

Akili Smith was a top 3 pick, therefore a top 3 talent. Case closed.

Philliez01
08-17-2007, 06:38 PM
Akili Smith was a top 3 pick, therefore a top 3 talent. Case closed.

Peyton Manning went #1; your point is? It's hard to believe you'd put him in with Sorgi and Cutler. Hoying too.

ironman4579
08-17-2007, 06:46 PM
If I don't see Todd Marinovich in the top 5, I will be very upset.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
08-17-2007, 06:59 PM
Right now you have to put Sorgi a scosh above Cutler since Jim single handily took the Colts to the Super Bowl and got them the victory.

That's true, and Cutler was just a rookie. We'll see in 10 years, after Cutler leads them to 10 SBs in a row and Elway comes back from retirement to defend his crown as best Bronco ever, and we run a duel QB system where they each throw 100 touchdowns... per quarter.

someone447
08-17-2007, 07:03 PM
Don Majkowski better be up there, probably number 3 behind Favre and Sorgi. After all, Favre was only able to take his job because of injury, so he must be just as good, right?

Plus, his nickname was the Majik Man; I think we should just start calling Favre El Diablo.

ironman4579
08-17-2007, 07:05 PM
That's true, and Cutler was just a rookie. We'll see in 10 years, after Cutler leads them to 10 SBs in a row and Elway comes back from retirement to defend his crown as best Bronco ever, and we run a duel QB system where they each throw 100 touchdowns... per quarter.

Would they both be under center, and then one rolls out one way, and the other the other way to confuse the defense? Or they both roll out to the same side even! "Oh my god, who do we tackle!?"

ironman4579
08-17-2007, 07:06 PM
I might have to change my sig quote to "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for Jay Cutler to do nothing."

Dam8610
08-17-2007, 08:32 PM
82-Jim Harbaugh (Chicago 1987-1993; Indianapolis 1994-1997; Baltimore 1998; San Diego 1999-2000; Carolina 2001)
http://www.colts.com/images/news_photos/history/40_harbaugh/Harbaugh3.jpg
Was a first round pick by Chicago and found reasonable sucess in '91 when he passed for 3,000 yards, but most of his sucess was in Indianapolis where he would become a Pro Bowler. In '95 he had a 100.7 passer rating and would make the Pro Bowl, along with being the Comeback Player of the Year, a top candidate for MVP and leading the Colts to the AFC Championship game. The '95 AFC Championship game ended in dramatic fashion as Harbaugh's Hail Mary was incomplete. He would also go on to have good sucess in San Diego and would retire in Carolina.

CAPTAIN COMEBACK! I still say that ball was caught. I don't care what the video shows.

awfullyquiet
08-17-2007, 10:23 PM
Would they both be under center, and then one rolls out one way, and the other the other way to confuse the defense? Or they both roll out to the same side even! "Oh my god, who do we tackle!?"

it soon becomes the era of 18 step drops...
and then fires it for 108 yards.

BigDawg819
08-17-2007, 10:52 PM
CAPTAIN COMEBACK! I still say that ball was caught. I don't care what the video shows.

And you still be wrong!

Dam8610
08-17-2007, 11:16 PM
And you still be wrong!

He caught it and fumbled it, but he was in the endzone so the fumble doesn't matter.

BigDawg819
08-18-2007, 03:00 AM
He caught it and fumbled it, but he was in the endzone so the fumble doesn't matter.

Yes it does, he didn't maintain control. I was so happy that day to see the heartbreak on the Colts faces..........ahhh good times.

neko4
08-18-2007, 04:34 PM
well wont be able to post till, tommorow, going to a concert

cardsalltheway
08-19-2007, 08:33 PM
Harbaugh made the list! BOOYAH!

How exactly is someone whose posts are normally one or two lines in length knocking someone who is making posts with actual content?

Considering about 1/12th of my posts on this site aren't even identifiable as mine anymore, you really have no idea what you're talking about.

neko4
08-19-2007, 08:34 PM
been playing NFL2k5 all day but new one is coming soon

neko4
08-19-2007, 10:32 PM
80-Tobin Rote (Green Bay 1950-1956; Detroit 1957-1959; San Diego 1963-1964; Denver 1966)
http://www.mmbolding.com/BSR/pq50rote.jpg
Rote was the only man to quarterback teams to championships in both the NFL and the American Football League. He is also one of seven NFL quarterbacks to rush for at least 3,000 yards during a career. Rote's 35 rushing TD's are the fourth highest amount in NFL history by a QB. He would win a Championship with Detroit in '57, and San Diego in '63. He was also a one time Pro Bowler and one time AFL All-Star. In '63 he would win the AFL MVP. He would die in 2000 due to a heart attack.



More soon tonite after South Park

neko4
08-19-2007, 11:33 PM
79-Neil O'Donnell (Pittsburgh 1990-1995; New York Jets 1996-1997; Cincinatti 1998; Tennessee 1998-2003)
http://www.win-football.de/assets/images/odonnell.jpg
He maybe best remembered for his two interceptions to nobody cornerback, Larry Brown, in the Super Bowl but O'Donnell had an impressive career. Probably a bit high here, but he did lose two Super Bowls (one as a backup) and was a one time Pro Bowler.

78-Greg Landry (Detroit 1968-1978; Baltimore 1979-1983; Chicago 1984)
http://www.detroitlions.com/photos/ll-landry.jpg
No relation if thats what your wondering, but Landry was a pretty darn good QB. In '68, as a rookie, he made his only Pro Bowl after throwing for 2,237 yards and 16 td's. In '76 he was Comeback Player of the Year after throwing for 17 Td's. In '79 he had a career high, 2,932 yards. Had he played a year longer he wouldve been in a Super Bowl with Chicago.

Mr. Stiller
08-19-2007, 11:40 PM
Wow.. I can't believe Neil O'Donnell made this list..

With that Said Kordell should be coming up in about 5-10 picks.

neko4
08-19-2007, 11:42 PM
Wow.. I can't believe Neil O'Donnell made this list..

With that Said Kordell should be coming up in about 5-10 picks.

haha
no Kordell but he is in the top 5 list of QB's who could punt in the modern era
O'donnell shouldve been lower, but i wasnt thinking very well about his achievements

Mr. Stiller
08-20-2007, 01:09 AM
haha
no Kordell but he is in the top 5 list of QB's who could punt in the modern era
O'donnell shouldve been lower, but i wasnt thinking very well about his achievements

O'donnell was the perfect Cowher QB... Do the minimum solidly and limit mistakes. Though he didn't do that in the superbowl.

I think Kordell was better than O'Donnell in his short stint.. if only he had more consistancy.

TitleTown088
08-20-2007, 01:37 AM
Ok that's acceptable. I was afraid he would be top 3.

The mere mention of him being a possible top 3 All-Time QB just made he throw up a little in my mouth.

Ok, I'd like you TWO to explain IN detail why its absurd to have Favre in the top 3? Why is it soooo asinine to propose a man who will likely finish on top in Games won, MVPs, completions, TDs, consecutive games started, throwing Yards, and the NFL's sexiest man to be a top 3 QB?

Let's see if we can get another reason other than Interceptions too fellas..

Shiver
08-20-2007, 01:53 AM
Ok, I'd like you TWO to explain IN detail why its absurd to have Favre in the top 3? Why is it soooo asinine to propose a man who will likely finish on top in Games won, MVPs, completions, TDs, consecutive games started, throwing Yards, and the NFL's sexiest man to be a top 3 QB?

Let's see if we can get another reason other than Interceptions too fellas..

This reminded me of a great quote from DJ Gallo:

Brett Favre threw two more interceptions in Green Bay's shutout loss yesterday, (1st week in '06) giving him 257 for his career -- just 20 shy of George Blanda's all-time record. Will ESPN start running a Bonds-esque "Chasing Blanda" scroll at the bottom of the screen as Favre goes after -- and inevitably passes -- this historic mark? I have no idea, although they should. But I'd like to throw a bone to all of the Favre apologists out there. In order to prevent their hero from breaking Blanda's mark, I say Favre's picks no longer be recorded as interceptions. Instead, they shall be called "gunslings." It's simply disrespectful to say: "Brett Favre stinks. He threw five more interceptions last night." To me, this sounds much better: "Did you see Brett Favre throw five gunslings last night? Man, what a gunslinger. He threw them so hard directly into the defenders' hands that he made them bleed. No one throws gunslings like Brett Favre."

Flyboy
08-20-2007, 02:00 AM
My stomach hurts from reading that Shiver. Bastard.

Ewing
08-20-2007, 02:04 AM
Ok, I'd like you TWO to explain IN detail why its absurd to have Favre in the top 3? Why is it soooo asinine to propose a man who will likely finish on top in Games won, MVPs, completions, TDs, consecutive games started, throwing Yards, and the NFL's sexiest man to be a top 3 QB?

Let's see if we can get another reason other than Interceptions too fellas..

Because he was never the best quarterback of his era. He always had someone in front of him who was more dominant or talented. Is he one of the top twenty of all-time? Yes. Can I name you someone who was better pretty much every year of his career? Yeah.

nfrillman
08-20-2007, 02:15 AM
This reminded me of a great quote from DJ Gallo:

Quote:
Brett Favre threw two more interceptions in Green Bay's shutout loss yesterday, (1st week in '06) giving him 257 for his career -- just 20 shy of George Blanda's all-time record. Will ESPN start running a Bonds-esque "Chasing Blanda" scroll at the bottom of the screen as Favre goes after -- and inevitably passes -- this historic mark? I have no idea, although they should. But I'd like to throw a bone to all of the Favre apologists out there. In order to prevent their hero from breaking Blanda's mark, I say Favre's picks no longer be recorded as interceptions. Instead, they shall be called "gunslings." It's simply disrespectful to say: "Brett Favre stinks. He threw five more interceptions last night." To me, this sounds much better: "Did you see Brett Favre throw five gunslings last night? Man, what a gunslinger. He threw them so hard directly into the defenders' hands that he made them bleed. No one throws gunslings like Brett Favre."


Still one of the funniest sports quotes I've ever heard. I still use the term "gunslings" while watching the games on Sunday with my buddies. For instance, "Damn dude, Plummer just switched the ball to his non-throwing hand and nailed this guy with a gunsling for a touchdown."

someone447
08-20-2007, 02:56 AM
Because he was never the best quarterback of his era. He always had someone in front of him who was more dominant or talented. Is he one of the top twenty of all-time? Yes. Can I name you someone who was better pretty much every year of his career? Yeah.

3 straight MVP awards? Favre was easily the best QB of the 90's.

Top twenty? He is without a doubt top ten, no one can really argue if he is listed in the top 5, and he can make a case for top 3(even if he doesn't actually make the top 3.)

Name a QB who was better than Favre at really any time during the prime of Favres career.

neko4
08-20-2007, 09:24 AM
Favre isnt in the top 3 in this list, but i could make a very strong arguement that he could.
But if you were to ask anyone from 95-97 who the top QB was, most would say Favre. He only won the MVP award 3 times in that span, and threw for 30 TD's each season too.

princefielder28
08-20-2007, 09:26 AM
Favre isnt in the top 3 in this list, but i could make a very strong arguement that he could.
But if you were to ask anyone from 95-97 who the top QB was, most would say Favre. He only won the MVP award 4 times in that span, and threw for 30 TD's each season too.

He won the MVP 3 times and remians the only one to ever do so

neko4
08-20-2007, 09:38 AM
77-Steve Bartkowski (Atlanta 1975-1985; LA Rams 1986)
http://images.allposters.com/images/PHOTOFILE/AAEA010.jpg
Drafted 1st overall by Atlanta he quickly proved his ability by winning the Rookie of the Year Award. Was a two-time Pro Bowler in '80 and '81 and is one of only seven QB's to have back-to-back 30 TD seasons. In '83 he led the NFL in passing and had a 97.4 QB rating. Could have been much higher on the list if he was more sucessful wins/playoffs wise.

76-Joe Ferguson (Buffalo 1973-1984; Detroit 1985-1986; Tampa Bay 1988-1989; Indianapolis 1990)
http://www.buffalobills.com/images/content/photos/fergusonalumni_subsq.jpg
Is hard to imagine a guy could play threw three different decades and it fascinates me how much the game changed from his rookie season until his last. As a younger player, Fran Tarkenton and Terry Bradshaw were at the top of the league, but as times changed guys like Joe Montana and Dan Marino emerged as stars. In his career he would place in the top 10 in pass attempts five times, completions and passing yards four times, passing touchdowns six times, and yards per pass three times. He has a 1-2 record in the playoffs. His best year was in '75 when he tied Tarkenton for the most TD passes in a career. This was the first of four times that he would throw for 20 or more TD passes.

BrownsTown
08-20-2007, 09:43 AM
Hey, about where is Bernie Kosar gonna be?

neko4
08-20-2007, 09:44 AM
Hey, about where is Bernie Kosar gonna be?

you wont see his name come up for a little while

BrownsTown
08-20-2007, 09:45 AM
you wont see his name come up for a little while

Ok, that's good.

Shiver
08-20-2007, 12:11 PM
3 straight MVP awards? Favre was easily the best QB of the 90's.

Top twenty? He is without a doubt top ten, no one can really argue if he is listed in the top 5, and he can make a case for top 3(even if he doesn't actually make the top 3.)

Name a QB who was better than Favre at really any time during the prime of Favres career.

Steve Young and John Elway are right up there...

someone447
08-20-2007, 12:22 PM
I wont argue that over the course of their career Elway is better than Favre, but from 94-98 Favre was the best QB in the game. Then he had a few years that weren't too great, due mostly to a bad team that he kept in contention. Then he was back to his old self from 01-04 and could arguably have been the best QB in the league this first of those years.

I really like Steve Young, I loved how he played, but I think he is overrated by many people. I don't have him in the top ten of all time.

SubNoize
08-20-2007, 12:26 PM
Steve Young and John Elway are right up there...

same thing that came to mind for me. You could say Elway actually had the better decade winning 2 Superbowls and besting Favre in one of them.

someone447
08-20-2007, 12:32 PM
same thing that came to mind for me. You could say Elway actually had the better decade winning 2 Superbowls and besting Favre in one of them.

Favre has never played with a HOFer on offense, and he had 3 straight MVP awards. Elway did not win the super bowl against the packers, TD did.

princefielder28
08-20-2007, 12:36 PM
same thing that came to mind for me. You could say Elway actually had the better decade winning 2 Superbowls and besting Favre in one of them.

The team around Elway won the Super Bowls for the Broncos; Elway was at the end of his career and was nowhere near the player he was years before that. Steve Young was a very good QB, but not great IMO. He played with Jerry Rice and had the weapons around him. He's alot like Troy Aikman, they had the talent within themselves, but the talent around them made them seem alot better than they really were.

Addict
08-20-2007, 12:38 PM
Christ! Packer fans who can't get over the fact that Favre isn't universally considered as the best QB ever, just top 5. Get over yourselves and let the man finish the list.

princefielder28
08-20-2007, 12:40 PM
Christ! Packer fans who can't get over the fact that Favre isn't universally considered as the best QB ever, just top 5. Get over yourselves and let the man finish the list.

The discussion right now isn't about him being the best ever, it's about best QB of the 90's.

SubNoize
08-20-2007, 12:46 PM
you guys are insane... yes TD had a great game in SB 32 and that's why he was MVP, but to say he won both is crazy. Elway torched the Falcons in SB 33 for 330+ yards threw for a touchdown and had that great run for one as well, and won that game for the Broncs hands down. He walked away on top and didn't drag his team along for his off years like Favre has just to break records that he's going to hold for a what 4-5 years until Manning breaks them. Even an old diminishing Elway was able to help push his team to wins.

Moses
08-20-2007, 12:56 PM
you guys are insane... yes TD had a great game in SB 32 and that's why he was MVP, but to say he won both is crazy. Elway torched the Falcons in SB 33 for 330+ yards threw for a touchdown and had that great run for one as well, and won that game for the Broncs hands down. He walked away on top and didn't drag his team along for his off years like Favre has just to break records that he's going to hold for a what 4-5 years until Manning breaks them. Even an old diminishing Elway was able to help push his team to wins.

Wait, you actually think Favre has HURT the Packers? That is laughable. He is still a very good quarterback and has been for the past 4-5 years.

SubNoize
08-20-2007, 01:01 PM
Wait, you actually think Favre has HURT the Packers? That is laughable. He is still a very good quarterback and has been for the past 4-5 years.

In the last 2-3 years Favre has been a very average QB and the Pack seem to be in a rebuilding mode, so why wouldn't he step aside and let them develop a QB for the future? The jury is still out on Rodgers because Favre won't retire and let us see what he's really worth.

Shiver
08-20-2007, 01:09 PM
Wait, you actually think Favre has HURT the Packers? That is laughable. He is still a very good quarterback and has been for the past 4-5 years.

He has hurt the Packers ever since that playoff game against the Vikings. Including that game the Packers are 12-21 and Brett Favre has 39 touchdowns to 51 interceptions and 13 fumbles lost. It's impossible to say that he has been anything close to 'good' the past two years, rather he has been poor. His status is the only thing that protects him. No other QB in the NFL would still have his job if he played like Favre has the past two years.

Moses
08-20-2007, 01:14 PM
He has hurt the Packers ever since that playoff game against the Vikings. Including that game the Packers are 12-21 and Brett Favre has 39 touchdowns to 51 interceptions and 13 fumbles lost. It's impossible to say that he has been anything close to 'good' the past two years, rather he has been poor. His status is the only thing that protects him. No other QB in the NFL would still have his job if he played like Favre has.

That's simply false. Your last statement is basically saying that Favre is the worst starting quarterback in the league.

The team has been garbage the past few years. A QB like Favre is going to throw a lot of interceptions on a bad team because he tries to make plays and win games, especially when he's losing. Favre was lightyears ahead of Rodgers the past few years so how is he hurting the Packers? Until this year, I didn't think Rodgers was ready to start.

Shiver
08-20-2007, 01:22 PM
That's simply false. Your last statement is basically saying that Favre is the worst starting quarterback in the league.

How is it false? He is the worst starter that has no pressure on him to perform, yes. Other players like him are either quickly replaced like Aaron Brooks or they are like Rex Grossman and will shortly be replaced. A near 1:2 TD/Turnover ratio is simply unacceptable in the NFL. It's rather impossible to win when your QB sabotages your team by making stupid decisions. People get on Jake Delhomme and Jake Plummer and they have been much better than Favre has been the past two years.

The team has been garbage the past few years. A QB like Favre is going to throw a lot of interceptions on a bad team because he tries to make plays and win games, especially when he's losing.

He throws those interceptions because he doesn't want to change his style to adapt to his diminishing abilities. McCarthy wants him to stop winging it around the field, yet he cannot do anything to him because if the fan base had their choice they would fire McCarthy and continue to blindly revere Favre. It's strenuous on an entire team when the opposition gets great opportunities to score points because your QB threw it into double coverage, again and again. Those kinds of mistakes will only make a bad team even worse.

Favre was lightyears ahead of Rodgers the past few years so how is he hurting the Packers? Until this year, I didn't think Rodgers was ready to start.

Just because Rodgers isn't good does not make an argument that Favre is good. Besides, it isn't as if any head coach with McCarthy's stature could actually bench Favre. That would be sacrilegious.

Addict
08-20-2007, 01:31 PM
I think Packer fans should just accept Favre isn't the QB he once was, and hasn't been for a few years, and that yes, he in fact MAY be doing more harm than good by not allowing the team to move on and get used life without #4. Frankly, his stats of the past years do kinda tell the story.

Last year was a real showing of how he hurts the Packers in the situation with his possible retirement last year, he just announced he was considering it, then put the dicision off as long as possible, leaving the team in limbo as to the QB position. I find that selfish.

Ewing
08-20-2007, 01:39 PM
3 straight MVP awards? Favre was easily the best QB of the 90's.

Top twenty? He is without a doubt top ten, no one can really argue if he is listed in the top 5, and he can make a case for top 3(even if he doesn't actually make the top 3.)

Name a QB who was better than Favre at really any time during the prime of Favres career.

I'll take Elway over him any day of week.

TitleTown088
08-20-2007, 04:59 PM
Shiver, dude, you think( thought) Mike Vick is(was) great. I'll take my Favre homerism over that any day. At leased my man crush has a couple MVPs and a superbowl, not a jail cell.

TitleTown088
08-20-2007, 05:04 PM
I think Packer fans should just accept Favre isn't the QB he once was, and hasn't been for a few years, and that yes, he in fact MAY be doing more harm than good by not allowing the team to move on and get used life without #4. Frankly, his stats of the past years do kinda tell the story.

Last year was a real showing of how he hurts the Packers in the situation with his possible retirement last year, he just announced he was considering it, then put the dicision off as long as possible, leaving the team in limbo as to the QB position. I find that selfish. This thread isn't about Brett Favre NOW. This is about his Career, and his career was well, exceptional.

BigDawg819
08-20-2007, 05:07 PM
Favre always get all this worship, especially by Packer fans, and yet I don't get it? Yes he's approaching vaunted QB records, but he's also approaching the interception record. What about the fact that he's been holding the Packers' franchise hostage all these years by hanging around with his overinflated salary and then constantly complaining about how they won't surround HIM with the necessary talent to win? He wants the team to sacrifice their future just so HE can win. He has no real concern about the Packers', he's just a self-absorbed, pompous ass who has been steadily declining and hanging around past his prime to collect records and one last stab at glory.

Addict
08-20-2007, 05:07 PM
This thread isn't about Brett Favre NOW. This is about his Career, and his career was well, exceptional.

never said it wasn't I just said it's not as 'zOMG he the bestest QB of all time, ever!'-exceptional as some packer fans claim (note: not all)

Shiver
08-20-2007, 05:10 PM
This thread isn't about Brett Favre NOW. This is about his Career, and his career was well, exceptional.

As for modern era Quarterbacks I would go: Peyton Manning, John Elway then Brett Favre. That's just my take on it.

TitleTown088
08-20-2007, 05:15 PM
never said it wasn't I just said it's not as 'zOMG he the bestest QB of all time, ever!'-exceptional as some packer fans claim (note: not all)

Yeah, it's only PACKER fans that think Brett had a great career, not any of those who will vote him on first ballot hall of fame. Come one dude, to deny Favre had a great Career is nuckin futs. Let me guess you're a 14-16 year old who can only recall Favre's latter years?

As for modern era Quarterbacks I would go: Peyton Manning, John Elway then Brett Favre. That's just my take on it.

I'd tend to agree with that comment...... 6-7 years from now. Manning dosen't belong on that list until he finishes his career the way he has maintained it so far.

TitleTown088
08-20-2007, 05:27 PM
Favre always get all this worship, especially by Packer fans, and yet I don't get it? Yes he's approaching vaunted QB records, but he's also approaching the interception record. What about the fact that he's been holding the Packers' franchise hostage all these years by hanging around with his overinflated salary and then constantly complaining about how they won't surround HIM with the necessary talent to win? He wants the team to sacrifice their future just so HE can win. He has no real concern about the Packers', he's just a self-absorbed, pompous ass who has been steadily declining and hanging around past his prime to collect records and one last stab at glory.

I'll start with this..... Favre may throw many INT's but he also leads the NFL in all-time pass attempts if i recall correctly... that might help to contribute to it, maybe . Now I'm not going to deny the man makes some questionable throws, but it's just part of his game. AS weak of excuse as that may seem, it's the truth. Sometimes his gambles pay off, other they don't. Not to mention I once read his interception per pass attempt is actually within a few points of QBs like Marino and Elway. Not too shabby.

Holding the franchise hostage? How's that? Helping young players learn? Giving them the best chance to win? You think the fact that Aaron Rodgers came into Packers looking like an undrafted free agent to many scouts and now with a few years of learning he's beginning to show signs of a respectable QB has nothing to do with developing behind a hall of famer. I always find it interested how outsiders are the first to blame Favre for the franchises struggles the past couple of years when people who actually follow the team know this isn't the case.

Addict
08-20-2007, 05:30 PM
Yeah, it's only PACKER fans that think Brett had a great career, not any of those who will vote him on first ballot hall of fame. Come one dude, to deny Favre had a great Career is nuckin futs. Let me guess you're a 14-16 year old who can only recall Favre's latter years?


do you even READ what I just said?

seriously, I said that it's the packer fans who make it look like he was the best guy to ever wear pads and they throw things around like TD passes (missing the fact he's also close to the INT pass record, but nvm).

Never said he wasn't great. Never said he didn't have a great career. Never said he should be anything but a first ballot HOF'er.

Just... please try to read what I say before you make me waste my time explaining what I mean.

oh and no, I am not 14/15, but you're right I never SAW Favre in his glory days, but I'm not retarted and I actually do read things. So yes, I perfectly understand that he was a fantastic QB.

TitleTown088
08-20-2007, 05:33 PM
do you even READ what I just said?

seriously, I said that it's the packer fans who make it look like he was the best guy to ever wear pads and they throw things around like TD passes (missing the fact he's also close to the INT pass record, but nvm).

Never said he wasn't great. Never said he didn't have a great career. Never said he should be anything but a first ballot HOF'er.

Just... please try to read what I say before you make me waste my time explaining what I mean.

oh and no, I am not 14/15, but you're right I never SAW Favre in his glory days, but I'm not retarted and I actually do read things. So yes, I perfectly understand that he was a fantastic QB. Yeah, I read it, and you wrote it in a very unclear manner. And do you read what I wrote? Was I not the one who brought up Favre's interceptions?

Go figure... A Favre hater who never saw the real Favre play.

Addict
08-20-2007, 05:36 PM
Yeah, I read it, and you wrote it in a very unclear manner. And do you read what I wrote? Was I not the one who brought up Favre's interceptions?

Go figure... A Favre hater who never saw the real Favre play.

I'm not a Favre hater.

oh and I'm European, so watching Football is kinda hard out here. But I appreciate your lack of interest to find out why I didn't watch Favre play.

oh the unclear writing is a result of me having slept about 7 to 8 hours this weekend. Lowlands festival.

BigDawg819
08-20-2007, 05:52 PM
I'll start with this..... Favre may throw many INT's but he also leads the NFL in all-time pass attempts if i recall correctly... that might help to contribute to it, maybe . Now I'm not going to deny the man makes some questionable throws, but it's just part of his game. AS weak of excuse as that may seem, it's the truth. Sometimes his gambles pay off, other they don't. Not to mention I once read his interception per pass attempt is actually within a few points of QBs like Marino and Elway. Not too shabby.

Holding the franchise hostage? How's that? Helping young players learn? Giving them the best chance to win? You think the fact that Aaron Rodgers came into Packers looking like an undrafted free agent to many scouts and now with a few years of learning he's beginning to show signs of a respectable QB has nothing to do with developing behind a hall of famer. I always find it interested how outsiders are the first to blame Favre for the franchises struggles the past couple of years when people who actually follow the team know this isn't the case.

Your observations about Favre's interceptions make sense and I'm not going to argue them I just brought it up because it is a record he's on the verge of and no Favre supporter ever really brings that one up it seems.

As for Favre being the sole cause of blame for the Packers, well thats ridiculous to say and I didn't mean to imply that he was the sole reason. The Packers' management is a huge part of the problem but Favre also has to shoulder some of that blame as well. His contract has salary cap implications that have restricted what the team can do in free agency and his refusal to mentor Rodgers publicly in the media is revolting.

neko4
08-20-2007, 06:03 PM
During the 90's there was no better QB than Favre. Aikman and Young werent as good as Favre was in the 90's. Elway and Marino's careers were coming to closes so they weren't as good either. Manning was young at the time so he isnt worth discussing.
I'll do this again:


50's
1-Unitas
2-Graham
3-Baugh

60's
1-Tarkenton
2-Starr
3-Unitas
4-Jurgenson
5-Tittle

70's
1-Staubach
2-Bradshaw
3-Tarkenton
4-Dawson
5-Fouts

80's
1-Montana
2-Marino
3-Elway
4-Fouts
5-Moon

90's
1-Favre
2-Elway
3-Young
4-Aikman
5-Marino

00's
1-Manning
2-Brady
3-McNabb
4-Favre
5-Brees?

TitleTown088
08-20-2007, 08:48 PM
Your observations about Favre's interceptions make sense and I'm not going to argue them I just brought it up because it is a record he's on the verge of and no Favre supporter ever really brings that one up it seems.

As for Favre being the sole cause of blame for the Packers, well thats ridiculous to say and I didn't mean to imply that he was the sole reason. The Packers' management is a huge part of the problem but Favre also has to shoulder some of that blame as well. His contract has salary cap implications that have restricted what the team can do in free agency and his refusal to mentor Rodgers publicly in the media is revolting.

The Packers are in Great cap shape, and Favre contract makes no signifigant difference on Fa signings. Packers Management WAS the problem, with Ted Thompson now in office that is no longer a problem.

Favre may not be going Obi-Wan Kenobi on Rodgers, but no doubt the kid is learning behind him.

neko4
08-20-2007, 08:55 PM
The Packers are in Great cap shape, and Favre contract makes no signifigant difference on Fa signings. Packers Management WAS the problem, with Ted Thompson now in office that is no longer a problem.

Favre may not be going Obi-Wan Kenobi on Rodgers, but no doubt the kid is learning behind him.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=2758756

This is old, but it gives us an idea of GB's cap space

TitleTown088
08-20-2007, 09:38 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=2758756

This is old, but it gives us an idea of GB's cap space
Now it's closer to 14 or 15 mil I believe.

TitleTown088
08-20-2007, 09:39 PM
I'm not a Favre hater.

oh and I'm European, so watching Football is kinda hard out here. But I appreciate your lack of interest to find out why I didn't watch Favre play.

oh the unclear writing is a result of me having slept about 7 to 8 hours this weekend. Lowlands festival.

What, do you want me to ask for your life story before I debate a little with ya? ;)

Anyways, where you from?

Addict
08-21-2007, 04:03 AM
What, do you want me to ask for your life story before I debate a little with ya? ;)

Anyways, where you from?

lol. I was just saying, we don't get football, hence never saw the guy play on anything but NFL game highlights.

I'm from the Netherlands.

PACKmanN
08-21-2007, 04:24 AM
Why all the hate for Brett? Most of you guys haven't seen every game he has played from 06. In 06 he had the worst O-line blocking for him and full of injuries then in 07 as the team got better he got better.

Now I do not support the fact that Favre is still playing but what can I do. I still think he wants the money (thats why he still doing ads) and the records so don't tell me he playing for the love of the game because he was he wouldn't take so long to decide if he wants to play or not every year.

I just hate the fact that we are still keeping our first round pick in the sidelines when he should be out there.

Addict
08-21-2007, 04:27 AM
Why all the hate for Brett? Most of you guys haven't seen every game he has played from 06. In 06 he had the worst O-line blocking for him and full of injuries then in 07 as the team got better he got better.

Now I do not support the fact that Favre is still playing but what can I do. I still think he wants the money (thats why he still doing ads) and the records so don't tell me he playing for the love of the game because he was he wouldn't take so long to decide if he wants to play or not every year.

I just hate the fact that we are still keeping our first round pick in the sidelines when he should be out there.

That's what I tried to say earlier (didn't do a good job though). I doubt he does it on purpose, but he's hindering the Packers devellopment.

BigDawg819
08-21-2007, 09:30 AM
Bottomline, Stoney Case > Brett Favre! :D

someone447
08-21-2007, 11:33 AM
Why all the hate for Brett? Most of you guys haven't seen every game he has played from 06. In 06 he had the worst O-line blocking for him and full of injuries then in 07 as the team got better he got better.

Now I do not support the fact that Favre is still playing but what can I do. I still think he wants the money (thats why he still doing ads) and the records so don't tell me he playing for the love of the game because he was he wouldn't take so long to decide if he wants to play or not every year.

I just hate the fact that we are still keeping our first round pick in the sidelines when he should be out there.

What every GM wishes for when he drafts a QB is to be in position to let him develop for 3 years before he has to get real playing time and lead the team. Especially when they are in as good cap shape as the Packers are. Rodgers sitting for a few years is what is best for him and the team.

neko4
08-21-2007, 06:17 PM
What every GM wishes for when he drafts a QB is to be in position to let him develop for 3 years before he has to get real playing time and lead the team. Especially when they are in as good cap shape as the Packers are. Rodgers sitting for a few years is what is best for him and the team.

If anyone saw Rodgers play last year, you could tell he wasnt ready

I'll bedoing so more tonite

TitleTown088
08-21-2007, 10:25 PM
lol. I was just saying, we don't get football, hence never saw the guy play on anything but NFL game highlights.

I'm from the Netherlands.

Then how are you able to judge is he's skills so well to say he's not very good?

BTW I'm flying into the Netherlands on sunday...

drowe
08-22-2007, 08:38 AM
sweeeeeeeet a Favre Fight!

some thoughts from one of the few (if not the only) dude that has watched Favre religiously for his entire pro career:

1) the interception argument is legit. he lost the packers some games in every stage of his career. and it's hard to overlook. this fact has become part of his legend and we'll just have to wait and see how history remembers him in this aspect.

2) the "he was NEVER the best of his era" argument is not legit. 3 straight MVPs indicate that he WAS the best player of the mid 90's.

3) the "he's hurt the packers the last 3 or 4 years" argument is also crap. no Packer fan, no matter how big of a homer they are, are gonna claim that Favre is as good as he was 10 years ago. but to say he's been hurting the team is reallly a stretch. there has been A LOT expected of Favre the last few years with a young team and lack of running game. the offense was really put on his shoulders. i don't think anybody within the Packer organization woulda been comfortable giving that amount of responsibility to a QB with no experience.

when it's all said and done, history will probably be very good to Favre....with the durability records, 3 MVP awards, Super Bowl Ring, and probably most of the significant passing records, he will be thought of by some as the greatest of all time. I really can't have an unbiased opinion on that argument....but i sure as hell won't complain when he comes up in the GOAT coversations.

neko4
08-22-2007, 10:10 AM
75-Bill Wade (LA Rams 1954-1960; Chicago 1961-1966)
http://www.suntimes.com/realchicago_sports/1960s/1960s_sports/11.jpg
Was a one time Pro Bowler with the Rams but, in Chicago he would both make the Pro Bowl and win the NFL Championship. In 1961, his first year with Chicago, he would have a passer rating of 93.7 and throw 22 TD passes. In 1962 he would throw for over 3,000 yards. But in 1963 he would have 6 rushing touchdowns and would lead Chicago to the NFL Championship Game. In the game he would score twice on the ground.

74-Steve Deberg (San Francisco 1978-1980; Denver 1981-1983; Tampa Bay 1984-1987, 1992-1993; Kansas City 1987-1988; Miami 1993; Atlanta 1998)
http://www.snakevenom12.net/images/DeBerg_Steve2.jpg
Due to his long career, DeBerg was able to put up some impressive stats, even though he was a benchwarmer for many teams. In San Fran, Deberg was one of the first QB's to use the West Coast offense. In his career he would amass over 34,000 yards which is in the top 20 for passing yards all-time. His best year was 1990 when he had a 101.2 QB rating and would only throw 4 INT's to 23 TD's. Deberg was also very tough and battled through many ailments and injuries. With San Fran he played with laryngitis and wore a portable amplifier. In one playoff game with KC he played with an exposed metal pin in his finger. In 1993 with Miami he would take a serious hit to the chin, but would return later in the game. He also is the olds player to be on a Super Bowl roster when the Falcons lost to the Broncos in 1998.

Addict
08-22-2007, 10:23 AM
Then how are you able to judge is he's skills so well to say he's not very good?

BTW I'm flying into the Netherlands on sunday...

Didn't say that, just said I think the fans of the packers are going a bit far by saying he's the best ever, hands down. (not suggesting you do).

Oooh a trip! where are you going?

neko4
08-22-2007, 10:29 AM
Didn't say that, just said I think the fans of the packers are going a bit far by saying he's the best ever, hands down. (not suggesting you do).

Oooh a trip! where are you going?

whos said that yet, all we've said is that he's teh best of the 90's

neko4
08-23-2007, 10:33 AM
73-Donovan McNabb (Philadelphia 1999-Present)
http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2004/writers/don_banks/09/21/eagles.vikes/p1_mcnabb3.jpg
His career isnt over yet, but so far he's proved he's great. The five-time Pro Bowler saw his best year in 2004 when he threw for 30+ TD passes and would lead the Eagles to the Super Bowl, which they would unfortunetly lose. Before the '04 season he led the Eagles to the NFC Championship 3 times, but not a single Super Bowl apperance. If he continues to lead the Eagles to sucess then he should move up the list.

72-Brian Sipe (Cleveland 1974-1983)
http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/graphics/images/6302.a.jpg
In 1980 Sipe passed for over 4,000 yards and 30 TD's and would get the Browns in the playoffs for the first time since 1972. That season he would also win the MVP award and a trip to the Pro Bowl. Unfortunetly Cleveland will lose to Oakland in the playoffs after an interception thrown by Sipe. In '84 Sipe would ditch the NFL for the USFL.

BrownsTown
08-23-2007, 10:40 AM
Woot, Brian Sipe! Red Right 88 will always be what he's remembered for, which is sad.

Dam8610
08-23-2007, 01:46 PM
Predicted top 5:

1) Jim Sorgi
2) Jim Sorgi
3) Jim Sorgi
4) Jim Sorgi
5) Jim Sorgi

because he spits hot fire.

drowe
08-23-2007, 02:53 PM
Predicted top 5:

1) Jim Sorgi
2) Jim Sorgi
3) Jim Sorgi
4) Jim Sorgi
5) Jim Sorgi

because he spits hot fire.


i think spitting cold fire would be more impressive.

Dam8610
08-23-2007, 08:43 PM
i think spitting cold fire would be more impressive.

Oh he could if he wanted to, he just chooses to spit hot fire because it makes for a better reference.

neko4
08-24-2007, 12:46 AM
my internet crashed today, but i'll hopefully get some done tommorow

Addict
08-24-2007, 01:06 AM
Predicted top 5:

1) Jim Sorgi
2) Jim Sorgi
3) Jim Sorgi
4) Jim Sorgi
5) Jim Sorgi

because he spits hot fire.

his greatness is so present he needs five spots just to put all 'o Sorgi in.

http://www.jsonline.com/badger/image/sep01/jim901.jpg
^ tha greatest!!!!

neko4
08-25-2007, 09:03 PM
Ive felt uninspired to do one lately but w/e
71-Drew McQueen Bledsoe (New England 1993-2001; Buffalo 2002-2004; Dallas 2005-2006)
http://a1259.g.akamai.net/f/1259/5586/1d/images.art.com/images/-/Drew-Bledsoe-Photograph-C10032737.jpeg

Bledsoe seemed to easily live up to the hype of a first overall pick. He would make 4 Pro Bowl apperances, lead the Patriots to a Super Bowl (Although they lost it) and currently holds Pats records for yards and TD's. But his career in New England would end in a bitter sweet manner He would be hit by Mo Lewis causing him to leave the game and miss some others, but Tom Brady would step in and lead the Pat's to a Super Bowl victory. In 2002 with Buffalo he would pass for over 4,000 yards. His next two years in Buffalo werent quite as good but he is the last Bills QB to beat the Pats. In '05 with Dallas he regained some of spark getting to throw to former teamate Terry Glenn and long time vet Keyshawn. But the next year would result in him getting replaced by Tony Romo who would lead the Boys to the playoffs. Clearly Bledsoe led a great career, but the burning question: Does Bledsoe belong in the HOF?

doingthisinsteadofwork
08-25-2007, 09:53 PM
wheres Rich Gannon?

neko4
08-25-2007, 09:56 PM
wheres Rich Gannon?

a little later.
i did make one mistake, i realized, and put Bledsoe and others behind someone who wasnt really that good, but was none for his style, and winning a SB

BlindSite
08-25-2007, 11:30 PM
To me, Jake Delhomme's playoff record and the fact that he's got a better playoff passer rating than even Tom Brady should get him better than 96..

draftguru151
08-25-2007, 11:31 PM
To me, Jake Delhomme's playoff record and the fact that he's got a better playoff passer rating than even Tom Brady should get him better than 96..

Don't forget he plays for the Panthers, which clearly bumps him up.

princefielder28
08-25-2007, 11:32 PM
Don't forget he plays for the Panthers, which clearly bumps him up.

HAHA! Thats funny

BlindSite
08-26-2007, 12:15 AM
Don't forget he plays for the Panthers, which clearly bumps him up.

I know its a homer statement, I don't really care. My point still stands, he's been one of the best quarterbacks ever to strap on cleats in the postseason. That's a fact.

BrownsTown
08-26-2007, 12:20 AM
I know its a homer statement, I don't really care. My point still stands, he's been one of the best quarterbacks ever to strap on cleats in the postseason. That's a fact.

Agreed. He deserves to be around 85 I think, and that's only on what he's done SO FAR in his career.

BlindSite
08-26-2007, 12:20 AM
Thats what I think, I don't think he deserves to be anywhere near the top 50 but 85-80 range is more on the money.

Addict
08-26-2007, 12:16 PM
HAHA! Thats funny

Your sig confuses me, I keep thinking you're thule.

draftguru151
08-26-2007, 01:10 PM
Your sig confuses me, I keep thinking you're thule.

You're not the only one.

Philliez01
08-26-2007, 02:19 PM
I actually thought Brunell could've been higher considering what he did in Jacksonville but still, doing a list from 101-1 is harder than 1-101.

Addict
08-26-2007, 02:53 PM
You're not the only one.

I feel less sad and lonely now, thanks.

neko4
09-04-2007, 09:29 PM
Ive gotten really lazy but here it is...


70-Bill Kenney (KC Cheifs 1980-198
http://www.profootballhof.com/assets/default/Kenney_Bill_150-188.jpg
Former Mr.Irrelevent would set the Chiefs record for passing yards in a season. Once he retired he was only second to Dawson in many Chief records.

69-Dutch Clark (Portsmouth/Detroit 1931-1938 )
http://www.theballparkinc.com/images/clark.jpg
Came from the era of the rushing QB and would set a Lions rushing record that would stand for 36 years.

68-Jim McMahon (Chicago 1982-1988; San Diego 1989; Philadelphia 1990-1992; Minnesota 1993; Arizona 1994; Green Bay 1995-1996)
http://www.born-today.com/Today/pix/mcmahon_j.jpg
Gets style points and was the only QB to get a ring with both Green Bay and Chicago. In '85 he would go to the pro bowl, and in '91 was the come back player of the year. But more importantly he was...
the punky QB known as McMahon

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
09-04-2007, 09:53 PM
When I hit the turf, I ain't got no plan

bearsfan_51
09-04-2007, 10:23 PM
Just for the record, McMahon actually hated being called the punky QB, he never thought it would catch on.

Oh and he's a giant douche.

bearsfan_51
09-04-2007, 10:23 PM
Agreed. He deserves to be around 85 I think, and that's only on what he's done SO FAR in his career.
Dude his career is basically over. When you're fighting with David Carr to keep your job that's never a good sign.

BrownsTown
09-04-2007, 10:53 PM
Dude his career is basically over. When you're fighting with David Carr to keep your job that's never a good sign.

First of all, how good is David Carr? I mean, we haven't seen him in an offense that doesn't have an awful offensive line.

I don't think Delhomme's career is over, the Panthers could make it back this or next year, and even if Delhomme doesn't play as well as he did before it's another thing to pad his resume (can't make the accent over the e, anyone know how to, just curious).

Mr. Stiller
09-04-2007, 11:00 PM
First of all, how good is David Carr? I mean, we haven't seen him in an offense that doesn't have an awful offensive line.

I don't think Delhomme's career is over, the Panthers could make it back this or next year, and even if Delhomme doesn't play as well as he did before it's another thing to pad his resume (can't make the accent over the e, anyone know how to, just curious).

Start -> All Programs -> Accessories -> System Tools -> Character Map

é = Alt + 0233 on the numpad (Hold alt down and hit 0-2-3-3 on the numpad and let go)

Resumé

bearsfan_51
09-04-2007, 11:05 PM
First of all, how good is David Carr? I mean, we haven't seen him in an offense that doesn't have an awful offensive line.

How good is Joey Harrington, or Tim Couch, or Charlie Frye? There are a lot of QBs that have had to play behind mediocre O-lines. QB's are equally responsible for getting rid of the ball. I'm not putting the blame all on Carr, nor am I saying he's flat out terrible, but Delhomme is on the brink of losing his job, be it to Carr or someone else.

BrownsTown
09-04-2007, 11:16 PM
How good is Joey Harrington, or Tim Couch, or Charlie Frye? There are a lot of QBs that have had to play behind mediocre O-lines. QB's are equally responsible for getting rid of the ball. I'm not putting the blame all on Carr, nor am I saying he's flat out terrible, but Delhomme is on the brink of losing his job, be it to Carr or someone else.

Exactly why I defend Tim Couch actually, I think he could have been a mediocre QB with any sort of talent around him, but let's not get into that.

BlindSite
09-05-2007, 03:23 AM
How good is Joey Harrington, or Tim Couch, or Charlie Frye? There are a lot of QBs that have had to play behind mediocre O-lines. QB's are equally responsible for getting rid of the ball. I'm not putting the blame all on Carr, nor am I saying he's flat out terrible, but Delhomme is on the brink of losing his job, be it to Carr or someone else.

On the brink. Umm, no, he's no where near on the brink. He would've been benched last year if he was "on the brink"

The guy took the team to a superbowl, had two career years in a row and got to the NFCCG and then got injured and had every lineman that's pivotal to his success, receivers and runningback's go down around him all while he's got an inept play caller.

The guy has ONE down year in 4, 3 years in which he was brilliant when he needed to be and you're saying he's on the brink?

He's the best QB rating wise in the postseason that's currently active... That's at least the 80 range.

neko4
09-19-2007, 09:01 PM
Well with Favre about to break records and all the recent talk about QB's...



67-Paddy Driscoll (Decautor 1920, Chicago Cards 1925-1926; Chicago Bears 1926-1929)
Pretty much carried the Bears from '26-'29.

66-Arnie Herber (Green Bay 1930-1940; NYG 1944-1945)
Originally a janitor at a club house, he would become one of the best passers in Packer history. Green Bay born and raised. Was one of the first great passers, though he had Don Hutson.

65-Ace Parker (Brooklyn Dodgers 1937-1941; Boston Yanks 1945; New York Yankees 1946; Apparently people of the 40's werent to creative with names)
The first great Hampton Roads QB. Also the oldest living member of the HOF. A one time MVP was the typical running/throwing QB of his day but was great at it.

64-Rich Gannon (Minesota Viking 1987-1992; Washington 1993-1994; Kansas City Chiefs 1995-1998; Oakland Raiders 1999-2004)
I think a Super Bowl Win, MVP Award, and four Pro Bowls should sum it up. Couldve gone a bit higher but I think he fits here.

princefielder28
09-19-2007, 09:18 PM
Rich Gannon; good guy and it was unfortunate that his career ended earlier than he would've liked

Turtlepower
09-19-2007, 09:21 PM
Phil Simms is top 10, right? =D

neko4
09-19-2007, 09:39 PM
Phil Simms is top 10, right? =D
no he's not on the list...jk

LonghornsLegend
09-19-2007, 11:14 PM
In your era yes, but Unitas had everything Manning did, but was a bit more mobile and had better toughness. Marino is almsot exactly like Manning. Elway was probably the most talented QB ever. Favre and Young could make throws on the run. Montana had great leadership and inteligence. Plus we've yet to see Manning when he gets old. Its easy to say he's the best when we've yet to see his last days whereas we've seen everyone else's

excellent points...we always seem to forget that we are looking at manning in his prime, and weve seen most of the other qbs on the downside or back end of their career...That will probably say alot to see what level of play Manning stays at during his latter years

255979119
09-19-2007, 11:53 PM
excellent points...we always seem to forget that we are looking at manning in his prime, and weve seen most of the other qbs on the downside or back end of their career...That will probably say alot to see what level of play Manning stays at during his latter years

What I am very curious to see, is how Manning will perform without Harrison on one side of the field.

Mr. Stiller
09-20-2007, 08:40 AM
What I am very curious to see, is how Manning will perform without Harrison on one side of the field.

They'll draft another WR in the first round.

I love Manning, but nearly every player utilized on the offensive attack is a first rounder.

neko4
03-07-2008, 06:08 PM
im gonna try and finish this since Favre just retired. I'll try and update every sunday

bearsfan_51
03-07-2008, 07:16 PM
This list needs more sex-cannon. It's a very un-sexy list.

Geo
03-07-2008, 07:21 PM
I knew it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMXBv2_ZN_c

neko4
03-07-2008, 07:23 PM
This list needs more sex-cannon. It's a very un-sexy list.
i was saving him for #1

tom
03-07-2008, 07:26 PM
I've seen worse lists but I can't remember where!

neko4
03-07-2008, 07:27 PM
not here!!
really you cant judge mine yet since i havent gotten to the top 25

Dam8610
03-07-2008, 07:27 PM
They'll draft another WR in the first round.

I love Manning, but nearly every player utilized on the offensive attack is a first rounder.

Well, they already did, but what does it matter in what round players were drafted? As we all know, the slot a player was selected in the draft has little to no relevance to his success in the NFL.

nobodyinparticular
03-07-2008, 07:59 PM
In your era yes, but Unitas had everything Manning did, but was a bit more mobile and had better toughness. Marino is almsot exactly like Manning. Elway was probably the most talented QB before Jamarcus Russell came into the league. Favre and Young could make throws on the run. Montana had great leadership and inteligence. Plus we've yet to see Manning when he gets old. Its easy to say he's the best when we've yet to see his last days whereas we've seen everyone else's

There, fixed it for you. ;)

neko4
03-07-2008, 08:01 PM
I guess. Arm strength wise Russell is the best since Favre or Elway

The Legend
03-07-2008, 09:58 PM
i think its to early to say, i want see him in a real game before i'd say hes one of the best

to me what you do in collage is nothing once you gt int he real ball game

DaBear89
03-07-2008, 10:39 PM
I knew it!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMXBv2_ZN_c

every comment on that vid is "mind-bottling". the posters deserve a painful experience...oh wait, they gave it to others and called it Rex's trip through time starting after Oct 06 till now...i hate rexy fans

tjpackers
03-10-2008, 10:48 AM
what about the greatest qb of all... Tim Couch

BaLLiN
03-10-2008, 03:12 PM
J-Load!
http://media.collegepublisher.com/media/paper964/stills/3d7458dfc5b24-71-3.jpg
he looks as big as the DL

neko4
03-10-2008, 06:35 PM
63-Bob Waterfield (CLE/LA Rams 1945-1952) UCLA
Drafted by Cleveland Rams in 45
First ever rookie to win MVP and won Championship in rookie year.
In 46 Rams moved to LA. Waterfield would split time with Norm Van Brocklin, maybe even became a bit overshadowed. League leading passer in 46 and 50. In 1950 Divisional playoffs, didnt practice due to flu, but came off bench and threw 3 TD's against CHI to give LA the win. Best known for his long ball. 97 Career TD passes. Inducted into Canton in 65. Died in 83, 2 months before co-QB Van Brocklin would die.

http://www.ramsusa.com/15bb.jpg
Middle

neko4
03-21-2008, 04:20 PM
Like i said, as a little hobby im gonna continue this... anyway on to 62
62-Danny White (Dallas 1974-1989) Arizona State
Maybe I have White really high on this list, but he was a pretty good QB for Dallas when the team wasnt as good. In '82, Staubach's heir to the Cowboys throne, had 4 very good years from 80-85 and during that span led them to 3 NFC championship games. All of which resulted in a loss. In '84, after a minor traffic accident involving White, the other motorist (a Boys fan) got out of his car and called White "you choking dog." In '86, White led Dallas to a 6-2 start and had thrown 12 TD passes to 5 picks. But against the Giants he was hit from Carl Banks, ruining the rest of his career. Although his playing career was over, White's coaching career was just beginning. He has won 2 AFL championships as a coach for Arizona Rattlers. He also averaged 40.4 yards a punt.
http://cowboys.beloblog.com/archives/dannywhite.jpg

Turtlepower
03-21-2008, 04:23 PM
DANNY WHITE!!!!!!! Former ASU Sun Devil!!!!!!

neko4
04-18-2008, 11:43 PM
Back for the 3rd time by somewhat popular demand...



61-Charlie Conerly Ole Miss
(NY Giants 1948-1961)
Arguably the best QB in Giants history, but probably not. He was also a Marlboro Man. Was a 2 time Pro Bowler and MVP in '59. Unfortunetly he is probably best remembered for when in 1958 NFL Championship game the NY Giants lost to Johnny Unitas and the Baltimore Colts in the first ever sudden death game. Stats wise Conerly may not be totally deserving of this spot, but I gave him bonus points for being in the greatest game ever, winning an MVP and having an award named after him that goes to the best college player in the state of Mississippi (Notable Winners: Deuce McCalister, Eli Manning, Michael Boley, Jerious Norwood, Patrick Willis, and current Southern Miss Standout Damion Fletcher; Patrick Surtain, Kris Mangum, Adalius Thomas, and Fred Smoot were all finalists) Conerly died in '96 and the award has been given out since his death.


http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nfl/nyg/ConerlyNYG.jpg

Yung Flippa
04-19-2008, 12:32 AM
Of course, we all know Troy Smith is going to be #1, :D

ChiFan24
04-20-2008, 02:06 AM
I think *insert name of random backup/bust QB* will be #1. LOLZ OMGZ.

neko4
04-20-2008, 10:59 AM
60-Bill Kilmer UCLA
(San Francisco 1961-1966; New Orleans 1967-1970; Washington 1971-1978)

Kilmer was bunched in between two great Redskins QB's, Sonny Jurgenson and Joe Theisman. '72 was Kilmer's best year. He made the pro bowl and had led the Redskins to the Super Bowl against the undefeated Miami Dolphins. But unlike the '07 Giants, Kilmer and the Skins couldnt get a win. Kilmer was always Coach Allen's favorite QB and he finally lost the starting job in '78 after Allen's departure from the team. He was one of the last QB's to use the single bar. Kilmer was nicknamed by teammates "Ol Whiskey" after he got drunk before a preseason in game in '71 and arrested later that year before a Giants game for public intoxication.

http://www.txstate.edu/classic/Celebrities/Past/contentParagraph/016/content_files/file/kilmer.jpg
http://www.nosaintshistory.com/images/Kilmer_pass_side.jpg

luee
04-21-2008, 09:52 AM
Back for the 3rd time by somewhat popular demand...



61-Charlie Conerly Ole Miss
(NY Giants 1948-1961)
Arguably the best QB in Giants history, but probably not. He was also a Marlboro Man. Was a 2 time Pro Bowler and MVP in '59. Unfortunetly he is probably best remembered for when in 1958 NFL Championship game the NY Giants lost to Johnny Unitas and the Baltimore Colts in the first ever sudden death game. Stats wise Conerly may not be totally deserving of this spot, but I gave him bonus points for being in the greatest game ever, winning an MVP and having an award named after him that goes to the best college player in the state of Mississippi (Notable Winners: Deuce McCalister, Eli Manning, Michael Boley, Jerious Norwood, Patrick Willis, and current Southern Miss Standout Damion Fletcher; Patrick Surtain, Kris Mangum, Adalius Thomas, and Fred Smoot were all finalists) Conerly died in '96 and the award has been given out since his death.


http://www.sportsecyclopedia.com/nfl/nyg/ConerlyNYG.jpg

Arguably the best what? Not after 1960! YAT, Tarkenton,Simms, Collins, Eli.

neko4
04-21-2008, 02:01 PM
Arguably the best what? Not after 1960! YAT, Tarkenton,Simms, Collins, Eli.
Fran Tarkenton is arguably the best too
Simms is probably the best
Collins? No way
Eli? lol not yet atleast

neko4
05-09-2008, 02:09 PM
59-Bill Nelsen
(Pittsburgh 63-67, Cleveland 68-72)
Who's Bill Nelsen you ask? Not very well known, I suppose, but to me he's one of those guys who could have been great. Injuries plauged his career though. In Pittsburgh, things were often dismal for him. His first year as the starter the team went 2-12. In 66, Nelson suffered a knee injury that kept him out part of the year, but in 111 attempts he threw just one pick, and had a 107.8 QB rating. In 69 with cleveland, he led them to the playoffs and went to the pro bowl. Also during that year, Nelsen would throw 5 TD passes against a once undefeated Cowboys team. Nelsen would get off to a great start in '71, but another injury knocked him out again. He would retire after the next season. During his career he underwent 5 knee operations. I know I probably shouldnt have put him this high, since i based it more on the potential his career had, rather than what he actually did, but Im mostly doing this for fun anyway!

http://www.geocities.jp/jbeeez2001/nelsen2.jpg


http://www.mmbolding.com/BSR/pq70nelson.jpg

Dam8610
05-10-2008, 02:04 AM
Get to the good part...

GrandChamp13
05-10-2008, 08:24 AM
Where's Ben Roethlisberger?
undefeated rookie regular season...
Superbowl 2nd Year
Injury Plagued 3rd year
ProBowl 4th Year

Is he on ur list?

21ST
05-10-2008, 11:22 AM
I know u gotta have sammy baugh top 5

Dam8610
05-10-2008, 02:36 PM
I know u gotta have sammy baugh top 5

That'd be rough. Who of the following are you (unbiasedly) taking out to put Baugh in?

Unitas
Favre
Marino
Elway
Montana

neko4
05-10-2008, 03:17 PM
Where's Ben Roethlisberger?
undefeated rookie regular season...
Superbowl 2nd Year
Injury Plagued 3rd year
ProBowl 4th Year

Is he on ur list?
I started it before last year, i wouldve had him in had i done it this year

neko4
05-10-2008, 03:18 PM
Get to the good part...
the next few names are more recognized

21ST
05-10-2008, 05:31 PM
That'd be rough. Who of the following are you (unbiasedly) taking out to put Baugh in?

Unitas
Favre
Marino
Elway
Montana

Brett Favre