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Yung Flippa
08-14-2007, 08:15 PM
Did you guys see that hit he put on the Eagles Punter, Sav Rocca?

It was a pretty big hit, BUT it really wasn't nessacary because, I mean he's a punter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cerDBOd_zlg

EdReedUnstoppable
08-14-2007, 08:18 PM
Somehow through Prescott Burgess's greatness I did manage to see Barnes's beautiful cheap shot.

BigDawg819
08-14-2007, 08:26 PM
"He's a Punter."


Dude when you step on that field you better be ready and keep your head on a swivel. If not, then.................. "YOU JUST GOT JACKED UP!" :D

Ravens1991
08-14-2007, 09:09 PM
Barnes is quickly becoming one of my favorites, I could see him starting at OLB in our 3-4 towards the end of this year or next.

EdReedUnstoppable
08-14-2007, 09:43 PM
Barnes is quickly becoming one of my favorites, I could see him starting at OLB in our 3-4 towards the end of this year or next.

He shouldn't start over Prescott Burgess thats for sure.

Javes
08-14-2007, 09:56 PM
He shouldn't start over Prescott Burgess thats for sure.

It's good to see some love given to Prescott. I'm a Michigan fan and I know he can shine in the NFL. He wasn't all that productive in college but did show signs of greatness last year. Here's some highlights of the Notre Dame game last year (Prescott had 2 INT's and a TD)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uxmzETUFok

Ravens1991
08-14-2007, 09:58 PM
Burgess is a ILB in the 3-4 not a OLB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I do think he will be good but he is ILB

EdReedUnstoppable
08-14-2007, 09:59 PM
Burgess is a ILB in the 3-4 not a OLB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I do think he will be good but he is ILB


He can play OLB better than Barnes can, Barnes is a pass rush specialist Burgess is a LB.

Ravens1991
08-14-2007, 10:02 PM
but you want 3-4 OLB to be mainly pass rushers who occasionally drop into coverage, Burgress is better suited for Bart Scott role as a ILB IMO.


Now that I watched the clip that was a intense hit.

dcarey20
08-14-2007, 11:11 PM
He shouldn't start over Prescott Burgess thats for sure.

Yes he should. In the 3-4 at OLB, definitely. I like Prescott Burgess alot, he's been playing great, but he isn't half as athletic or explosive as Barnes and Barnes is a great fit. If Jarrett or Suggs goes down, Barnes will be the starter. Barnes may even beat out Jarrett. Prescott will play the middle for us in the 34.

EdReedUnstoppable
08-14-2007, 11:31 PM
Yes he should. In the 3-4 at OLB, definitely. I like Prescott Burgess alot, he's been playing great, but he isn't half as athletic or explosive as Barnes and Barnes is a great fit. If Jarrett or Suggs goes down, Barnes will be the starter. Barnes may even beat out Jarrett. Prescott will play the middle for us in the 34.

Barnes made 1 play, Burgess made 5 or 6, Burgess is a better LB where as Barnes can rush the passer, I'll take the complete LB starting and so will the Ravens.

BigDawg819
08-14-2007, 11:33 PM
Barnes made 1 play, Burgess made 5 or 6, Burgess is a better LB where as Barnes can rush the passer, I'll take the complete LB starting and so will the Ravens.

Why did it take over a year for Sizzle to start; DING DING DING he could only rush the passer!


Burgess > Barnes

Ravens1991
08-15-2007, 01:15 AM
Suggs was a DE in college while Barnes had expierence at OLB.

Burgess just is not a fit at 3-4 OLB, ERU were did Burgess make those plays? ILB correct, Burgess is listed as a ILB on the depth chart, just because a player is more complete doesn't mean we will move him out of position to start.

Ravens1991
08-15-2007, 01:20 AM
I could see Burgess starting if we use more 4-3 looks then 3-4 looks.

dcarey20
08-15-2007, 01:00 PM
I could see Burgess starting if we use more 4-3 looks then 3-4 looks.

We won't be using more 4-3 looks. The majority of our defensive looks are run out of a 3-4 base, which is why Antwan Barnes should and WILL be starting at outside over Prescott. I guarantee it. If something happens to JJ, or they just decide to go with someone else over him, it will be Barnes. Mark it down.

ccB
08-15-2007, 01:08 PM
Theres been one preseason game, it really doesnt matter who made more plays at this point. I defintely do not see either starting this year anyway, barring injury JJ is the starter. I think Johnson will get a lot of slack cut for him because hes been rushed into this new role and being asked to do new things.

BigDawg819
08-15-2007, 01:12 PM
Theres been one preseason game, it really doesnt matter who made more plays at this point. I defintely do not see either starting this year anyway, barring injury JJ is the starter. I think Johnson will get a lot of slack cut for him because hes been rushed into this new role and being asked to do new things.

I see him getting an immense amount of slack at the OLB position but I still think he's better off being a part of the Defensive Line rotation as opposed to being an OLB.

ccB
08-15-2007, 01:18 PM
I see him getting an immense amount of slack at the OLB position but I still think he's better off being a part of the Defensive Line rotation as opposed to being an OLB.

I'd tend to agree with you about where he should play but at the moment the club is not going to bench him because 2 rooks had 1 good pre season game. I could see Barnes and Burgess having 4 amazing pre season games and still not be able to rise above JJ on the depth charts. I really do not see any scenario with him getting benched before the season even starts. The only scenario I could see him getting benched in is if hes god awful the first 6-8 games of the season and is costing us wins. Which IMO he is not bad enough to cause this to occur.

BigDawg819
08-15-2007, 01:26 PM
I'd tend to agree with you about where he should play but at the moment the club is not going to bench him because 2 rooks had 1 good pre season game. I could see Barnes and Burgess having 4 amazing pre season games and still not be able to rise above JJ on the depth charts. I really do not see any scenario with him getting benched before the season even starts. The only scenario I could see him getting benched in is if hes god awful the first 6-8 games of the season and is costing us wins. Which IMO he is not bad enough to cause this to occur.

Burgess and Barnes are the future without a doubt and I don't expect the team to bench JJ just because Burgess was outstanding in 1 preseason game or the fact that JJ was shaky in the same game. With that said JJ is a lineman and asking him to now transition into the OLB position is asking to much of him.

America
08-15-2007, 02:19 PM
Barnes is great in Madden. Burgess isn't on it, so I made him. Rolle is not good even though he is an 87. Housh had 2 TDs and 140 yards. Chad had 1 catch maybe and Cmac had 2 picks, 1 for TD. I don't understand why Rolle is so bad in that game.

Ravens1991
08-15-2007, 02:21 PM
yes Barnes is beastly in Madden.

BigDawg819
08-15-2007, 02:26 PM
Barnes is great in Madden. Burgess isn't on it, so I made him. Rolle is not good even though he is an 87. Housh had 2 TDs and 140 yards. Chad had 1 catch maybe and Cmac had 2 picks, 1 for TD. I don't understand why Rolle is so bad in that game.

What do you mean Burgess isn't on it? I heard he was and was rated 64.

Ravens1991
08-15-2007, 02:41 PM
he isnt on it I checked, I remember hearing earlier also that Burgess was on it.

America
08-15-2007, 04:02 PM
What do you mean Burgess isn't on it? I heard he was and was rated 64.

I have it for XBOX, and he was not in it. They had Terry at 74, JJ at 76, Ivy at 71. Barnes was in it, I think he was a low 70 when I switched him from ILB to OLB.

BigDawg819
08-15-2007, 04:06 PM
Apparently Barnes went down in camp this afternoon and was carted off the field. More news as it comes in.

dcarey20
08-15-2007, 05:10 PM
I have it for XBOX, and he was not in it. They had Terry at 74, JJ at 76, Ivy at 71. Barnes was in it, I think he was a low 70 when I switched him from ILB to OLB.

Yeah I have XBOX original version, and Burgess is absent along with Ronnie Prude and Quinn Sypniewski

BigDawg819
08-15-2007, 05:12 PM
Yeah I have XBOX original version, and Burgess is absent along with Ronnie Prude and Quinn Sypniewski

Thats ridiculous.

Troj2man
08-15-2007, 05:15 PM
Both Barnes and Burgess are on the 360 version. The only key players that need to be created are Jared Gaither and Ronnie Prude.

Ravens1991
08-15-2007, 05:30 PM
crap I hope Barnes is alright

jkpigskin
08-15-2007, 05:51 PM
Apparently Barnes went down in camp this afternoon and was carted off the field. More news as it comes in.

very interesting
maybe its karma?

ccB
08-15-2007, 06:16 PM
Burgess is in madden for 360, in fact all of our rookies are.

EdReedUnstoppable
08-15-2007, 07:08 PM
Burgess is in madden for 360, in fact all of our rookies are.

I heard an ugly rumor that Barnes and Burgess are mid 60's overall in 360. Is this true?

Ravens1991
08-15-2007, 07:43 PM
Barnes is listed as a MLB in madden and he is 65, but slide him to OLB he is 71

dcarey20
08-15-2007, 08:20 PM
In original Xbox, Barnes is rated something like 64, but his speed and acceleration are ridiculous, so if you move him to OLB he goes up to like 75.

Ravens1991
08-15-2007, 08:47 PM
yea Barnes is 88 speed and 88 ACC

EdReedUnstoppable
08-15-2007, 08:58 PM
I watched the game back and Barnes was playing DE for us a lot of the time, can you imagine if we have a 4-3 with Barnes and Burgess on the same side rushing, how do you block both of them?

Ravens1991
08-15-2007, 09:01 PM
A beastly combo for the future, add Suggs in there also plus Ngata giving everybody room to run.

SeanTaylorRIP
08-15-2007, 09:02 PM
I'm still pissed we released Rod Green last year.

Ravens1991
08-15-2007, 09:07 PM
he showed good athletic ability, but he had a learning disability, I think a big one like he could have qualified for Special Ed in high school, but I am not sure about that but I heard that somewhere.

BigDawg819
08-15-2007, 09:13 PM
I'm still pissed we released Rod Green last year.

Amen to that, I was hoping I wasn't the only one!

Troj2man
08-16-2007, 02:49 AM
I'm still pissed we released Rod Green last year.

Is he even on an NFL roster now? I liked the guy too. He just pretty much got caught up in a numbers game. I will say that I think his only chance at being something in the NFL would have been in the Ravens defensive scheme.

EdReedUnstoppable
08-16-2007, 04:04 AM
Heres hoping Antwan is back out on the practice field today.

BigDawg819
08-16-2007, 06:36 AM
Is he even on an NFL roster now? I liked the guy too. He just pretty much got caught up in a numbers game. I will say that I think his only chance at being something in the NFL would have been in the Ravens defensive scheme.

He's on the 49ers and saw some action last year on their special teams and defensive sets. Posted 9 tackles and 4.5 sacks for the season. Another example of trying to put a project player on waivers to get him to the practice squad and a former Raven coach or front office guy snatching away a player.

jkpigskin
08-16-2007, 08:28 AM
He's on the 49ers and saw some action last year on their special teams and defensive sets. Posted 9 tackles and 4.5 sacks for the season. Another example of trying to put a project player on waivers to get him to the practice squad and a former Raven coach or front office guy snatching away a player.

this always seems to happen... a staff member leaves us and he wants our players...

BigDawg819
08-16-2007, 08:40 AM
this always seems to happen... a staff member leaves us and he wants our players...

Damn them!

Ravens1991
08-16-2007, 09:26 AM
this always seems to happen... a staff member leaves us and he wants our players...

that just shows how much we rule.

BigDawg819
08-16-2007, 09:28 AM
that just shows how much we rule.

Or how much other organizations are lacking in acquiring and developing their own talent......

America
08-16-2007, 11:25 AM
Yeah Nolan has taken Marques Douglas, Roderick Green, and Aubrayo Franklin. Green was cool, I always liked him. I think he had our first sack of the 2005 season.

Ravens1991
08-16-2007, 12:04 PM
Savage seems to be taking a lot of our players also.

America
08-16-2007, 12:27 PM
Savage seems to be taking a lot of our players also.


Jamal, Zastudil, Baxter, tried to get Scott, Darnell Dinkins, Derek Anderson and Josh Harris. I wonder who will be the next.

BigDawg819
08-16-2007, 12:29 PM
Jamal, Zastudil, Baxter, tried to get Scott, Darnell Dinkins, Derek Anderson and Josh Harris. I wonder who will be the next.

Just wait until we start cutting players and then you'll have your answer.....

trkaline
08-16-2007, 12:55 PM
Just wait until we start cutting players and then you'll have your answer.....

Ha ha they can have Edgar Jones if he doesn't survive the cut....

SeanTaylorRIP
08-16-2007, 02:11 PM
Jamal, Zastudil, Baxter, tried to get Scott, Darnell Dinkins, Derek Anderson and Josh Harris. I wonder who will be the next.

Yet all of them except for Anderson have done nothing like when they were Ravens.

BigDawg819
08-16-2007, 02:21 PM
Yet all of them except for Anderson have done nothing like when they were Ravens.

Well their usually is a reason why a team lets players walk away. Usually......

America
08-16-2007, 03:14 PM
Ha ha they can have Edgar Jones if he doesn't survive the cut....

No, I don't want them getting Jones.

dcarey20
08-16-2007, 03:26 PM
Jamal, Zastudil, Baxter, tried to get Scott, Darnell Dinkins, Derek Anderson and Josh Harris. I wonder who will be the next.

Boller! ......

BigDawg819
08-16-2007, 05:13 PM
Boller! ......

Never post again!

trkaline
08-16-2007, 09:55 PM
No I wouldn't want them to pick up Boller...wouldn't be fair to the Browns...

jkpigskin
08-16-2007, 10:04 PM
they also tried to get chester taylor
if you remember, when taylor was a restricted FA, we gave him the lowest tenure but then the browns signed him to a sheet... so then we were forced to sign chester to a 3 million dollar deal because it was the year after jamal got jailed so we needed some security.... jamal was making somethingl ike 3.6mill that year so we had expensive backfield

trkaline
08-17-2007, 04:52 AM
BigDawg you can take my rep...But you shall never take my FREEEEEDOM...of speech I just hate Kyle Boller...any way this thread seems to be derailed at the moment...

BigDawg819
08-17-2007, 11:33 AM
BigDawg you can take my rep...But you shall never take my FREEEEEDOM...of speech I just hate Kyle Boller...any way this thread seems to be derailed at the moment...

Ok making a quasi-Braveheart post earns you the rep back, but the Boller bashing will never win you a place in my heart!