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SterlingSharpe
01-09-2007, 04:59 PM
With talk of Moss being dealt for as little as a 3rd, and talk of TO not being back to Dallas..... as I am watching PTI now, what do you guys think of this deal?

Seems both guys have kinda worn out their welcome. I live in Dallas and at least TO performed, although he dropped many passes, and obviously caused tons of team turmoil.

Moss is 2 years younger (class of 98 vs 96), but he seems to have shut it down in Dallas. Is it all mental or has he lost his 5th gear that made him special.

NIN1984
01-09-2007, 05:17 PM
I don't want Moss or Owens on the Raiders

Windy
01-09-2007, 05:19 PM
fk no to owens. i'd rather have muggsy bogues as my wide receiver.

01-09-2007, 05:20 PM
fk no to owens. i'd rather have muggsy bogues as my wide receiver.

Muggsy's got some great hands.

SterlingSharpe
01-09-2007, 05:32 PM
fk no to owens. i'd rather have muggsy bogues as my wide receiver.

I named one of my kitties after MUGGSY Bogues, about 12 years ago.

But TO at least gives 100% effort out on the field, even though he drops his share of passes.

Moss looks like he's just cashing his check, and he makes excuses just like TO, but he is a NON-FACTOR out on the field.

Splat
01-09-2007, 05:40 PM
They both are not worth the trouble.

SterlingSharpe
01-09-2007, 05:44 PM
They both are not worth the trouble.

so should they both keep their guy then?

Splat
01-09-2007, 05:46 PM
I think T.O. has a better chance of being back with Da Boys then Moss has of being back with the Raiders.

Scorch
01-09-2007, 05:50 PM
They both have severe attitude problems and I wouldn't want either of them on my team, as they will be just a problem and nuissance to the team.

Chucky
01-09-2007, 05:57 PM
TO at least produced on the field this year, randy cant say that much,.

01-09-2007, 05:58 PM
I would much rather have TO than Randy. TO is a distraction off the field, but he plays hard every game, unlike Moss. If Moss had a work ethic, he could have been the greatest of all time.

Good Ol' Duck
01-09-2007, 05:59 PM
Seriously, what has T.O done this season that is so bad (off the field)? He has played all season with a torn up hand and helped the development of Tony Romo. I have a feeling T.O and Bill will be in dallas next year for a super bowl run.

ks_perfection
01-09-2007, 06:36 PM
I think TO works better with the Cowbys than Moss would. Moss is a long-ball threat but thats what glenn is precently.

miamichamp_305
01-09-2007, 06:39 PM
Seriously, what has T.O done this season that is so bad (off the field)? He has played all season with a torn up hand and helped the development of Tony Romo. I have a feeling T.O and Bill will be in dallas next year for a super bowl run.
Where you asleep this season? He tried to commit suicide, hates Bledsoe, has got into it with his WR's coach, etc. C'mon he is 20x worse than Moss when it comes to attidues, at least Moss hasn't destroyed 2 teams. If Moss were on a good team, he'd be giving his all, but I don't blame him for not wanting to play for the Raiders, who would?

Good Ol' Duck
01-09-2007, 06:42 PM
Seriously, what has T.O done this season that is so bad (off the field)? He has played all season with a torn up hand and helped the development of Tony Romo. I have a feeling T.O and Bill will be in dallas next year for a super bowl run.
Where you asleep this season? He tried to commit suicide, hates Bledsoe, has got into it with his WR's coach, etc. C'mon he is 20x worse than Moss when it comes to attidues, at least Moss hasn't destroyed 2 teams. If Moss were on a good team, he'd be giving his all, but I don't blame him for not wanting to play for the Raiders, who would?

He tried to commit suicide? Are you also a conservative republican? Jesus Christ. You are truly a product of false reporting. You are the reason the media is as sad as it is today. Did you also think that the word gullible wasn't in the dictionary when someone proclaimed so in elementary school?

GermanSaint
01-09-2007, 06:44 PM
i´ll take horn over them all day

WildDude
01-09-2007, 06:46 PM
TO and Moss are both perfect for Oaklands image however TO is the better fit moss is just finished, TO is the better fit because oakland has a history of thugs and hes the definition of one and produces moss is a thug and dosent produce but parcells could make him into something because unlike TO moss listens more if he can get comfortable wit the coach

01-09-2007, 06:48 PM
i´ll take horn over them all day

Ok?

critesy
01-09-2007, 07:03 PM
7) Do not start an excessive numbers of new threads each day.

miamichamp_305
01-09-2007, 07:28 PM
Seriously, what has T.O done this season that is so bad (off the field)? He has played all season with a torn up hand and helped the development of Tony Romo. I have a feeling T.O and Bill will be in dallas next year for a super bowl run.
Where you asleep this season? He tried to commit suicide, hates Bledsoe, has got into it with his WR's coach, etc. C'mon he is 20x worse than Moss when it comes to attidues, at least Moss hasn't destroyed 2 teams. If Moss were on a good team, he'd be giving his all, but I don't blame him for not wanting to play for the Raiders, who would?

He tried to commit suicide? Are you also a conservative republican? Jesus Christ. You are truly a product of false reporting. You are the reason the media is as sad as it is today. Did you also think that the word gullible wasn't in the dictionary when someone proclaimed so in elementary school?
WTF? I'm a democrat first of all, and no I hate the media as much as the next guy, but he is a crazy dude who was a retart for overdosing, I mean c'mon how do you not notice when you take to many pills?

TheChampIsHere
01-09-2007, 07:56 PM
TO and Moss are both perfect for Oaklands image however TO is the better fit moss is just finished, TO is the better fit because oakland has a history of thugs and hes the definition of one and produces moss is a thug and dosent produce but parcells could make him into something because unlike TO moss listens more if he can get comfortable wit the coach

TO is the definition of a thug?????

are you fin kidding me? that has to be the most ridiculous thing Ive heard. TO has never once gotten into trouble off the field with the law, he has no drug problems, doesnt drink, he writes childrens books. Yeah, he has a bad attitude and has a hard time keeping his mouth shut and getting along with teammates but I guess you just like to use the word thug to describe anything negative.


but for real, everyone out there trashing TO, what has he done so bad this year? hes dropped passes, but that might have to do more with his injured hand than anything. the suicide thing...complete media hype, not his fault, blame the media for that becoming a distraction, dont blame TO, all the rumors that came out were complete BS and really it seems he just went to the hospital as a precaution, he obviously wasnt in a very bad state, he was practicing the same or next day. besides that, there werent any major problems.

it has gotten to the point where TO can pick his nose and it will end up being a media circus, and then TO will be blamed for the distraction.

TheChampIsHere
01-09-2007, 07:57 PM
Seriously, what has T.O done this season that is so bad (off the field)? He has played all season with a torn up hand and helped the development of Tony Romo. I have a feeling T.O and Bill will be in dallas next year for a super bowl run.
Where you asleep this season? He tried to commit suicide, hates Bledsoe, has got into it with his WR's coach, etc. C'mon he is 20x worse than Moss when it comes to attidues, at least Moss hasn't destroyed 2 teams. If Moss were on a good team, he'd be giving his all, but I don't blame him for not wanting to play for the Raiders, who would?

He tried to commit suicide? Are you also a conservative republican? Jesus Christ. You are truly a product of false reporting. You are the reason the media is as sad as it is today. Did you also think that the word gullible wasn't in the dictionary when someone proclaimed so in elementary school?
WTF? I'm a democrat first of all, and no I hate the media as much as the next guy, but he is a crazy dude who was a retart for overdosing, I mean c'mon how do you not notice when you take to many pills?

please, if it woulda been Tom Brady who took too many pills on accident and needed treatment, it wouldnt even be an issue, everyone would just be happy he was fine and move on. TO gets chastised for it, I wonder why, maybe its b/c he's TO.

njx9
01-09-2007, 07:58 PM
are you joking? why would each team trade a massive head case for a DIFFERENT massive head case?

further, since when does dropping a league leading number of passes (if you buy Stats, Inc's numbers) equate to giving 100%?

SterlingSharpe
01-09-2007, 08:53 PM
7) Do not start an excessive numbers of new threads each day.

This is a great topic with good arguements from both sides. What are you talking about? If you are a MOD, PM me on it.

critesy
01-09-2007, 08:55 PM
im not a mod, im just saying...all i see now is you and your threads...like you just started another one the draft forum about jared zabransky and some guy with his baby and it go locked...just hold on to your idea's and wait for a really good one, then post it.

dRaFtDoRk
01-09-2007, 09:00 PM
Randy Moss also had the worst offense in the NFL surrounding him too. He had what 3 different QB's throwing to him this season. Yea, your gonna have a bad season if that happens, but yes, he had a horrible season.

I really don't see it happeing realistically if thats what your asking, because I don't think Parcells could deal with Randy Moss, let alone Terrell Owens.

Here's my thoughts on where they might be next season:

Terrell Owens will be on a new team if Parcells returns, if he doesn't then Owens will remain a Cowboy.

Randy Moss will be a Raider next season, no matter what circumstances.

Raidernation55
01-09-2007, 10:50 PM
Nah. Just get rid of moss

TheChampIsHere
01-10-2007, 12:04 AM
7) Do not start an excessive numbers of new threads each day.

This is a great topic with good arguements from both sides. What are you talking about? If you are a MOD, PM me on it.

actually, this is a ******** topic, there is no way on earth either team even considers a trade like this, it just doesnt make sense. You dont trade one head-ache for another. IF either team moves one, its b/c they dont want any the bad chemistry. The only point of this thread is to open up for the billionth time, the whole TO conversation.

RaiderNation
01-10-2007, 12:14 AM
id want TO over moss anyday. TO did something this season. leader in TD's for wr in the nfl. moss cought around 30 balls and like 3 tds. moss doesnt try any more. it sad that moss has done nothing. he was on track to beat a couple or rice's records but when he came to us he's just been sh*t. he did great his first couple of games with us then he got injuried and has never been the same. all i know is moss is out of oakland and so is porter

njx9
01-10-2007, 12:16 AM
id want TO over moss anyday. TO did something this season. leader in TD's for wr in the nfl. moss cought around 30 balls and like 3 tds. moss doesnt try any more. it sad that moss has done nothing. he was on track to beat a couple or rice's records but when he came to us he's just been sh*t. he did great his first couple of games with us then he got injuried and has never been the same. all i know is moss is out of oakland and so is porter

have you stopped to think WHY owens may have, you know, caught some balls and WHY moss quit trying? i'm actually curious if it's occured to you or if you just saw www.nfl.com/stats and made an assumption.

DMWSackMachine
01-10-2007, 12:35 PM
Seriously, what has T.O done this season that is so bad (off the field)? He has played all season with a torn up hand and helped the development of Tony Romo. I have a feeling T.O and Bill will be in dallas next year for a super bowl run.
Where you asleep this season? He tried to commit suicide, hates Bledsoe, has got into it with his WR's coach, etc. C'mon he is 20x worse than Moss when it comes to attidues, at least Moss hasn't destroyed 2 teams. If Moss were on a good team, he'd be giving his all, but I don't blame him for not wanting to play for the Raiders, who would?

Sounds to me like you've been eating at the ESPN b***sh** trough. He had a fine relationship with Bledsoe. He overdosed on a couple of pills and his stupid publicist called the medics, upon which everyone jumped on it to try and make a huge story and sell papers. His WR coach actually has been leaking private information that never gets out and is supposed to be a matter of team business, something that Jerry Jones actually remarked was basis for a reprimand on the coaches part. He "fell asleep" in meetings, for which he was fined and openly admitted to, though it is no different than anything he has done his whole career, and yet it comes out in a way that is portrayed as being "breaking news" and somehow a mark of his lack of respect for the organization and his head coach in particular....etc etc etc. And the media eats this stuff up. If you are dumb enough to buy what they're selling, all that does is reflect upon you. TO has been mostly "ok" this season, though you would think he was Satan himself from the way he has been portrayed.

bigbluedefense
01-10-2007, 12:38 PM
I honestly don't think that TO leaves. And I honestly don't think that Bill Parcells has a real problem with TO. I think its all media hype.

Seriously, TO really wasn't that bad this year. And about the drops...he was playing with a broken hand all season. Everyone forgets that.

I think he and BP will be back.

locseti
01-10-2007, 12:39 PM
TO's better than Moss. If we HAD to have one, I'd rather have TO

portermvp84
01-10-2007, 12:41 PM
They're both good athletes it's just they wear out their welcomes pretty fast.

DMWSackMachine
01-10-2007, 01:29 PM
They're both good athletes it's just they wear out their welcomes pretty fast.

Just a tip dude, it's Bulimia, not bulima.

portermvp84
01-10-2007, 01:40 PM
My bad I have bad spelling.

badgerbacker
01-10-2007, 02:47 PM
There should be a "No, it's a stupid idea for both teams" option in this poll.

bryanGENE
01-10-2007, 03:16 PM
Even if Owens leaves. Oakland wouldn't be a choice of his. He only wants to play on teams with a legitimate chance to compete in the Super Bowl.

SterlingSharpe
01-10-2007, 05:17 PM
Well everyone says Oakland is gonna jettison Randy Moss, and I hear for as little as a 3rd Rd pick.

I would think they'd rather have TO than a 3rd Rd pick. Maybe not.

How about this one:
If you were forced to take one on your team, which one would you take first, Moss or TO?

TO is 2 years older I think, but he has produced recently. Moss hasn't done S H I T for 2 years. Sure his QBs weren't great, but neither is Steve Smith's.

njx9
01-10-2007, 05:38 PM
i get your M.O. now.

1) post bizarre opinion and state as fact
2) reply to absolutely nothing with an substantive remarks
3) reply to the thread later implying that everyone agrees with you and that those who don't basically think the earth is flat
4) rinse and repeat

i'll wait for you to post a single plausible reason:
a) why dallas would take the deal
b) why the raiders would like to trade one headcase WR for another

we'll start there.

SterlingSharpe
01-10-2007, 07:17 PM
i get your M.O. now.

1) post bizarre opinion and state as fact
2) reply to absolutely nothing with an substantive remarks
3) reply to the thread later implying that everyone agrees with you and that those who don't basically think the earth is flat
4) rinse and repeat

i'll wait for you to post a single plausible reason:
a) why dallas would take the deal
b) why the raiders would like to trade one headcase WR for another

we'll start there.

First of all, see above at the voting, very wide open. Talk about that.
Second of all, why Dallas would deal would maybe be this: If they were going to release him and get nothing for him (tons of talk about that, which I didn't make up), why not try and get a good player for him? In Oakland, there's talk of trading Moss. From the sounds of it, plenty of Raiders fans would love to get TO. Ask them if they'd prefer a 3rd or 4th rd pick, or TO for Moss. Why does that dscussion bother you so much? Are you Kim Etheridge?

If everyone else though like you, they might note vote or comment. That doesn't seem to be the case.
I've never seen anyone take a thread that has varying opinions like this one so personal. And you are a moderator?

4pAc
01-10-2007, 08:10 PM
No

ks_perfection
01-10-2007, 08:46 PM
miamichamp_305 wrote:
Good Ol' Duck wrote:
Seriously, what has T.O done this season that is so bad (off the field)? He has played all season with a torn up hand and helped the development of Tony Romo. I have a feeling T.O and Bill will be in dallas next year for a super bowl run.

Where you asleep this season? He tried to commit suicide, hates Bledsoe, has got into it with his WR's coach, etc. C'mon he is 20x worse than Moss when it comes to attidues, at least Moss hasn't destroyed 2 teams. If Moss were on a good team, he'd be giving his all, but I don't blame him for not wanting to play for the Raiders, who would?


I don't think he tried to commit suicide, but even if he did why does it matter? The guy played the following weekend, what more do you want. (you'd be in trouble if you fired someone for trying to kill themselves). As for Bledsoe its the same thing, if he did hate him who cares? Bledose is gone and TO gets along with his replacement.

njx9
01-11-2007, 12:17 AM
First of all, see above at the voting, very wide open. Talk about that.

ok, you put up a meaningless poll that doesn't include an obvious option, making the results biased and invalid. but then, why would you believe that something you said could possibly be wrong?

Second of all, why Dallas would deal would maybe be this: If they were going to release him and get nothing for him (tons of talk about that, which I didn't make up), why not try and get a good player for him?

what in the last two years, makes you believe moss is a good player, or that again, either of these teams have any interest in trading for a head case? but then again, you bring up a great point: why would dallas let Owens go for nothing? oh wait. philadelphia did. san francisco essentially did.

In Oakland, there's talk of trading Moss. From the sounds of it, plenty of Raiders fans would love to get TO. Ask them if they'd prefer a 3rd or 4th rd pick, or TO for Moss.

ah, yes, let's ask the throngs of raiders fans what they want. al davis always cares. further, on a team with significant offensive holes, you're seriously underestimating the importance of draft picks. you're also seriously overestimating how much ANY nfl team will want randy moss after the last season in which he's looked like anything but a superstar nfl receiver.

Why does that dscussion bother you so much? Are you Kim Etheridge?

the discussion doesn't bother me, your complete inability to make a point or to argue your points, except by restating your opinions over and over again is slightly obnoxious, but even then, it just makes you look bad when someone questions you. what does kim etheridge have to do with anything? are you so insecure you have to, essentially, call me a girl because i questioned you about a bad idea?

If everyone else though like you, they might note vote or comment. That doesn't seem to be the case.

see the first comment. your poll worthless, since you left off an important alternative. you were fishing for specific results and didn't want to allow for anything that made you look wrong, thus there's no "this wouldn't ever happen" option.

I've never seen anyone take a thread that has varying opinions like this one so personal. And you are a moderator?

are you scubba? where did i take this personally? i told you this was a stupid idea because it is. why are you taking my opinion so personally?

SterlingSharpe
01-11-2007, 07:56 AM
It's interesting to see some fans across the country say they'd prefer Moss while some would prefer Owens.

It's a tough call if you ask me.

Moss is 2 years younger and should lost longer.

I remember a game 3-4 years ago at the Metrodome in OT's final season on the 49ers. The Vikings and Moss lit it up. And after the game I recall TO stating that Moss was the NFL's best WR now, he said it madly but also taking a shot at his QB.

Now about 3 years later, Moss seems like he's shut it down. Why has he? Is it physcial, or is it just being in Oakland?

I live in Dallas and have TO on my keeper league and have tried to defend him all year here. But he really is totally selfish it's sick.

So with the talk that the Raiders have to get rid of Porter and Moss, it is interesting to some people to see if they'd prefer getting TO or a 3rd rd draft pick. It's interesting to see if there are fans who think that Moss still can be great if he tries, if he gets to a real team with a real QB.

As far as Al Daivs goes: sure he seems crazy, but none of our teams GM's ever take we the fans advice on trades and drafts. This whole forum is about speculation. Even Scott doesn't know what teams are going to do.

You don't like this topic? Then you keep wasting time reading and typing.
Also, relax and enjoy life. I gotta believe you are a Vikings fan....

Stonecoldet3
01-11-2007, 11:37 AM
Being a Vikings fan, I will say that I am biased towards Randy Moss being the better receiver. With that being said, as much as I believe that if you get payed millions to play in professional sports you should always play your hardest. Lets face it Randy Moss doesn't want to be in Oakland anymore hence the "lack" of his production. He plays on the worst offense in the history of the Raiders, maybe the NFL even. So whats the point of to being motivated to play on this team?

T.O had a good year as far as TD's this year, but he also led the league in drops. IMO, if you put Randy Moss on this team this past season, he would have about 4 more TD's and not as many drops. T.O is also an attention *****, just when the media this year had stopped talking about him, he went and had an "overdose", and poof back in the media's attention for the rest of the season.

If I had to choose which one I would rather have on my team, it would be Randy Moss hands down. Sure he questions his coach, but who wouldn't in that situation. Isn't that what a leader of the team is supposed to do? Maybe not to the media, but from my understanding the comments he made were about Art Shell not playing Porter, and that the coach was unapproachable on this matter.

I will say this however, I didn't know that T.O wrote children's books, but I did know that Randy Moss does a lot with special needs children and charity work. It seems to me the Media only focuses in on the bad, and very rarely the good that athletes do.

SterlingSharpe
01-11-2007, 03:25 PM
Good stuff StoneCold.

I lived in Minnesota from the whole 80's until last fall, as a PACKERS fan, and I was so pizzed off in April of 1998 when my guy Ron Wolf PASSED on drafting Moss who had miraculously slid that far when he was considered a top 5 pick. Then I watched him terrorize the Packers, starting with the first game at Lambeau he played, on a Monday night that I traveled to Green Bay for and they had 35 points by halftime on the Packers, with I think 3 Moss TDs.

I don't know what his speed is anymore, because either he's lost it, or he doesn't try. Something's not right. No doubt he has a suspect attitude because there are good players on bad teams that actually do give 100% which I think is what we are taught.

I live in Dallas....saw TO up close, and even I am not sure which one I would want. TO is mentally crazy, Moss just a punk who loves to smoke pot too much and I think has become lazy. The comments of Raiders fans and Cowboys fans has been interesting here..... I think Parcells will be back and TO will be back.