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ChiFan24
09-03-2007, 12:12 AM
All right, after seeing Peter King's embarassingly bad top 500 players list, I felt obligated to make a top 500 list of my own. I decided that the easiest way to do this would be to compile a team by team top ten list, and then turn that into a top 500 list later. I consider myself pretty knowledgable, but unfortunately, I can't watch every game, so I'm sure there are mistakes. Please point out any GLARING mistakes/omissions that you see with your own team, so I can continue towards my top 500 list. I'm not going to listen to every criticism, since this IS my own list, but I'd like a little help.

Chicago Bears
1. Brian Urlacher, MLB
2. Tommie Harris, DT
3. Devin Hester, RS
4. Olin Kreutz, C
5. Nathan Vasher, CB
6. Mike Brown, FS
7. Lance Briggs, WLB
8. Charles Tillman, CB
9. John Tait, LT
10. Bernard Berrian, WR

Minnesota Vikings
1. Kevin Williams, DT
2. Steve Hutchinson, LG
3. Pat Williams, DT
4. Antoine Winfield, CB
5. Bryant McKinnie, LT
6. Matt Birk, C
7. Adrian Peterson, RB
8. Chester Taylor, RB
9. Darren Sharper, SS
10. Chad Greenway, WLB

Green Bay Packers
1. Aaron Kampman, DE
2. Donald Driver, WR
3. Al Harris, CB
4. Nick Barnett, MLB
5. Charles Woodson, CB
6. Chad Clifton, LT
7. Mark Tauscher, RT
8. A.J. Hawk, WLB
9. Ryan Pickett, DT
10. Nick Collins, S

Detroit Lions
1. Shaun Rogers, DT
2. Roy Williams, WR
3. Cory Redding, DT
4. Ernie Sims, SLB
5. Calvin Johnson, WR
6. Mike Furrey, WR
7. Jeff Backus, LT
8. Kevin Jones, RB
9. Tatum Bell, RB
10. Dewayne White, DE

Philadelphia Eagles
1. Donovan McNabb, QB
2. Brian Dawkins, FS
3. Brian Westbrook, RB
4. Shawn Andrews, RG
5. Lito Sheppard, CB
6. William Thomas, LT
7. Jevon Kearse, DE
8. Takeo Spikes, WLB
9. Sheldon Brown, CB
10. L.J. Smith, TE

Dallas Cowboys
1. Terrance Newman, CB
2. DeMarcus Ware, OLB
3. Terrell Owens, WR
4. Jason Witten, TE
5. Jason Ferguson, NT
6. Roy Williams, SS
7. Andre Gurode, C
8. Tony Romo, QB
9. Leonard Davis, RG
10. Marion Barber III, RB

New York Giants
1. Antonio Pierce, MLB
2. Michael Strahan, DE
3. Chris Snee, RG
4. Osi Umenyiora, DE
5. Plaxico Burress, WR
6. Jeremy Shockey, TE
7. Gibril Wilson, FS
8. Kareem McKenzie, RT
9. Shaun O’Hara, C
10. Mathias Kiwanuka, SLB

Washington Redskins
1. Clinton Portis, RB
2. Chris Samuels, LT
3. London Fletcher, MLB
4. Sean Taylor, FS
5. Marcus Washington, SLB
6. Santana Moss, WR
7. Randy Thomas, LG
8. LaRon Landry, SS
9. Jon Jansen, RT
10. Chris Cooley, TE

New Orleans Saints
1. Jammal Brown, LT
2. Will Smith, DE
3. Drew Brees, QB
4. Reggie Bush, RB
5. Deuce McAllister, RB
6. Charles Grant, DE
7. Marques Colston, WR
8. Jahri Evans, RG
9. Roman Harper, SS
10. Jeff Faine, C

Carolina Panthers
1. Julius Peppers, DE
2. Steve Smith, WR
3. Jordan Gross, RT
4. Dan Morgan, MLB
5. Kris Jenkins, DT
6. Mike Wahle, LG
7. Ma’ake Kemoeatu, DT
8. Ken Lucas, CB
9. DeAngelo Williams, RB
10. Thomas Davis, SLB

Atlanta Falcons
1. DeAngelo Hall, CB
2. John Abraham, DE
3. Alge Crumpler, TE
4. Kynan Forney, RG
5. Keith Brooking, MLB
6. Jerrious Norwoord, RB
7. Michael Boley, SLB
8. Todd Weiner, RT
9. Jammal Anderson, DE
10. Grady Jackson, DT

Tampa Bay Buccaneers
1. Derrick Brooks, WLB
2. Ronde Barber, CB
3. Cadillac Williams, RB
4. Joey Galloway, WR
5. Gaines Adams, DE
6. Cato June, SLB
7. Kevin Carter, DE
8. Greg Spires, DE
9. Jeff Garcia, QB
10. Chris Hovan, DT

St. Louis Rams
1. Torry Holt, WR
2. Steven Jackson, RB
3. Orlando Pace, LT
4. Marc Bulger, QB
5. Will Witherspoon, MLB
6. Leonard Little, DE
7. Isaac Bruce, WR
8. Tye Hill, CB
9. Adam Carriker, DT
10. O.J. Atogwe, FS

Seattle Seahawks
1. Walter Jones, LT
2. Julian Peterson, SLB
3. Shaun Alexander, RB
4. Matt Hasselbeck, QB
5. Lofa Tatapu, MLB
6. Patrick Kerney, DE
7. Leroy Hill, WLB
8. Deion Branch, WR
9. Rocky Bernard, DT
10. Josh Brown, K

Arizona Cardinals
1. Adrian Wilson, SS
2. Larry Fitzgerald, WR
3. Anquan Boldin, WR
4. Karlos Dansby, WLB
5. Edgerrin James, RB
6. Darnell Dockett, DT
7. Matt Leinart, QB
8. Bertrand Berry, DE
9. Reggie Wells, LG
10. Levi Brown, RT

San Francisco 49ers
1. Frank Gore, RB
2. Nate Clements, CB
3. Vernon Davis, TE
4. Justin Smiley, RG
5. Walt Harris, CB
6. Manny Lawson, OLB
7. Eric Heitmann, C
8. Patrick Willis, ILB
9. Shawntae Spencer, CB
10. Larry Allen, LG

New England Patriots
1. Tom Brady, QB
2. Richard Seymour, DE
3. Asante Samuel, CB
4. Adalius Thomas, ILB
5. Randy Moss, WR
6. Ty Warren, DE
7. Rodney Harrison, SS
8. Vince Wilfork, NT
9. Mike Vrabel, OLB
10. Logan Makins, LG

New York Jets
1. Jonathan Vilma, ILB
2. Kerry Rhodes, SS
3. Thomas Jones, RB
4. Nick Mangold, C
5. Laveranues Coles, WR
6. Bryan Thomas, OLB
7. Jerricho Cotchery, WR
8. Chad Pennington, QB
9. Shaun Ellis, DE
10. D’Brickashaw Ferguson, LT

Miami Dolphins
1. Jason Taylor, DE/OLB
2. Zach Thomas, ILB
3. Ronnie Brown, RB
4. Channing Crowder, LB
5. Joey Porter, OLB
6. Will Allen, CB
7. Yeremiah Bell, SS
8. Ted Ginn, RS
9. Vonnie Holliday, DE
10. Veron Carey, LT

Buffalo Bills
1. Jason Peters, LT
2. Lee Evans, WR
3. Aaron Schobel, DE
4. Terrance McGee, CB/RS
5. Angelo Crowell, SLB
6. Donte Whitner, SS
7. Ko Simpson, FS
8. Brian Moorman, P
9. Derrick Dockery, LG
10. J.P. Losman, QB

Baltimore Ravens
1. Ed Reed, FS
2. Bart Scott, LB
3. Ray Lewis, ILB
4. Trevor Pryce, DE
5. Terrell Suggs, DE/OLB
6. Jonathan Ogden, LT
7. Chris McAllister, CB
8. Kelly Gregg, DT
9. Willis McGahee, RB
10. Dawan Landry, SS

Pittsburgh Steelers
1. Troy Polamalu, SS
2. Casey Hampton, NT
3. Hines Ward, WR
4. Alan Faneca, LG
5. Willie Parker, RB
6. Ben Roethlisberger, QB
7. Aaron Smith, DE
8. Santonio Holmes, WR
9. James Farrior, ILB
10. Ike Taylor, CB

Cincinnati Bengals
1. Chad Johnson, WR
2. Carson Palmer, QB
3. Levi Jones, LT
4. T.J. Houshmandzadeh, WR
5. Rudi Johnson, RB
6. Willie Anderson, RT
7. Madieu Williams, FS
8. Justin Smith, DE
9. Jonathan Joseph, CB
10. Domata Peko, DT

Cleveland Browns
1. Kellen Winslow II, TE
2. Kamerion Wimbley, OLB
3. Sean Jones, SS
4. Eric Steinbach, LG
5. LeCharles Bentley, C
6. Leigh Bodden, CB
7. Andra Davis, ILB
8. Braylon Edwards, WR
9. Joe Thomas, LT
10. Orpheus Roye, DE

Indianapolis Colts
1. Peyton Manning, QB
2. Marvin Harrison, WR
3. Bob Sanders, FS
4. Reggie Wayne, WR
5. Dwight Freeney, DE
6. Jeff Saturday, C
7. Jospeh Addai, RB
8. Marlin Jackson, CB
9. Ryan Diem, RT
10. Adam Vinatieri, K

Jacksonville Jaguars
1. John Henderson, DT
2. Rashean Mathis, CB
3. Marcus Stroud, DT
4. Maurice Jones Drew, RB/RS
5. Mike Peterson, MLB
6. Daryl Smith, WLB
7. Fred Taylor, RB
8. Khalif Barnes, LT
9. Vincent Manuwai, LG
10. Reggie Hayward, DE

Tennessee Titans
1. Vince Young, QB
2. Keith Bullock, WLB
3. Albert Haynesworth, DT
4. Chris Hope, SS
5. Kyle Vanden Bosch, DE
6. Mike Roos, LT
7. Kevin Mawae, C
8. David Thornton, SLB
9. Jacob Bell, LG
10. Nick Harper, CB

Houston Texans
1. Andre Johnson, WR
2. DeMeco Ryans, MLB
3. Dunta Robinson, CB
4. Mario Williams, DE
5. Morlon Greenwood, WLB
6. Amobi Okoye, DT
7. Ahman Green, RB
8. Anthony Weaver, DE
9. Matt Schaub, QB
10. DeMarcus Faggins, CB

San Diego Chargers
1. LaDainian Tomlinson, RB
2. Antonio Gates, TE
3. Shawne Merriman, OLB
4. Jamal Williams, NT
5. Luis Castillo, DE
6. Marcus McNeal, LT
7. Phillip Rivers, QB
8. Nick Hardwick, C
9. Shaun Phillips, OLB
10. Kris Dielman, LG

Denver Broncos
1. Champ Bailey, CB
2. Javon Walker, WR
3. Dre Bly, CB
4. D.J. Williams, LB
5. Matt Lepsis, LT
6. Travis Henry, RB
7. John Lynch, S
8. Jay Cutler, QB
9. Ian Gold, WLB
10. Tom Nalen, C

Kansas City Chiefs
1. Larry Johnson, RB
2. Ty Law, CB
3. Tony Gonzalez, TE
4. Brian Waters, LG
5. Patrick Surtain, CB
6. Casey Wiegman, C
7. Jared Allen, DE
8. Derrick Johnson, WLB
9. Donnie Edwards, SLB
10. Tamba Hali, DE

Oakland Raiders
1. Derrick Burgess, DE
2. Nnamdi Asomugha, CB
3. Fabian Washington, CB
4. Kirk Morrison, MLB
5. Warren Sapp, DT
6. Tommy Kelly, DE
7. Sam Williams, SLB
8. Thomas Howard, WLB
9. Ronald Curry, WR
10. Michael Huff, SS

255979119
09-03-2007, 12:14 AM
Rookies should be left off untill after the regular season. But otherwise good work.

ChiFan24
09-03-2007, 12:19 AM
I tried not to include too many rookies. I think Carriker is the lowest drafted player on the list. If I did include a rookie, it's the result of the team's lack of the talent or just a case of that player being too talented not to include.

Shiver
09-03-2007, 12:21 AM
Your Atlanta top-10 is a lot different than mine:

1. Alge Crumpler
2. John Abraham
3. Rod Coleman
4. DeAngelo Hall
5. Kynan Forney
6. Michael Boley
7. Jerious Norwood
8. Keith Brooking
9. Justin Blalock
10. Jamaal Anderson

ninerfan
09-03-2007, 12:22 AM
Am I missing something ? Or do you just not like QB's

Immediately I feel that Favre, Kitna, McNair and Cutler are all in their teams top 10.

Chucky
09-03-2007, 12:23 AM
Im not gonna ahead and nitpick with everything, pretty solid list, but obviously some mistakes in my eyes

P-L
09-03-2007, 12:25 AM
I know a lot of people hate him for whatever reason, but Jon Kitna is one of the Lions top 10 players. I'd actually probably put him #5 or #6 on your list. Switch Roy Williams and Shaun Rogers (since Rogers is almost never motivated) and plug Jon Kitna into the middle of that list and it'd probably be identical to mine.

d34ng3l021
09-03-2007, 12:25 AM
Your Atlanta top-10 is a lot different than mine:

1. Alge Crumpler
2. John Abraham
3. Rod Coleman
4. DeAngelo Hall
5. Kynan Forney
6. Michael Boley
7. Jerious Norwood
8. Keith Brooking
9. Justin Blalock
10. Jamaal Anderson

Love your sig.

I think Grady Jackson needs to be somewhere there. Maybe knock off Jamaal Anderson.

Now that I see that, its kind of sad...we dont have as much talent as I had previously thought.

PalmerToCJ
09-03-2007, 12:27 AM
My Bengals list for reference I suppose...

1. Carson Palmer
2. Chad Johnson
3. Levi Jones
4. Willie Anderson
5. TJ Houshmandzadeh
6. Rudi Johnson
7. Justin Smith
8. Johnathan Joseph
9. Stacy Andrews (Started very few games but he's an animal at LG)
10. Madieu Williams (Assuming he rebounds back from last year)

Bravo for the Peko mention though, he pretty much gets ignored when people talk about DT's from last year.

SuperMcGee
09-03-2007, 12:27 AM
Lindell is probably the only other Bill that would have a top 10 argument, and you clearly didn't show much respect to the K/P here (identified by Moorman at 8 for us, as well as being the only punter that I've seen on any team), so nothing big missing here. Kelsay could be over Simpson at the moment, that would be about it, although I think Ko can have a decent year.

GB12
09-03-2007, 12:28 AM
Am I missing something ? Or do you just not like QB's

Immediately I feel that Favre, Kitna, McNair and Cutler are all in their teams top 10.

I think the Packers looks pretty good. The last 2 spots are kind of up in the air. I would probably put Favre on instead of Collins.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
09-03-2007, 12:28 AM
Cutler belongs on Denver's list, IMO. I'd put him 4-5. Javon and Champ are obviously better, and then Lepsis and maybe DJ. But not the way hes playing now.

WMD
09-03-2007, 12:30 AM
For the Lions; I'd probably go something like this..

1. Roy Williams, WR
2. Shaun Rogers, DT
3. Cory Redding, DT
4. Ernie Sims, SLB
5. Calvin Johnson, WR
6. Mike Furrey, WR
7. Jeff Backus, LT
8. Kevin Jones, RB
9. Jon Kitna, QB
10. Dewayne White, DE

Shiver
09-03-2007, 12:30 AM
Love your sig.

I think Grady Jackson needs to be somewhere there. Maybe knock off Jamaal Anderson.

Now that I see that, its kind of sad...we dont have as much talent as I had previously thought.


On the bright side we have a lot of young guys who could be great, it's up in the air if they will reach that potential or not.

Caddy
09-03-2007, 12:32 AM
Ronde not Rhonde..

Jensen
09-03-2007, 12:35 AM
Your Cardinals list looks pretty good. I'd have it like this:

1. Adrian Wilson
2. Larry Fitzgerald
3. Anquan Boldin
4. Karlos Dansby
5. Matt Leinart
6. Edgerrin James
7. Bertrand Berry
8. Darnell Dockett
9. Levi Brown
10. Antrel Rolle

ChiFan24
09-03-2007, 12:39 AM
Rod Coleman #3? That's surprising. I always thought he was a liability vs. the run. I did have Boley on the list, though for some reason I dropped him when I added Norwood.

Eh, I'm really not a Kitna fan, but I can see the argument for him.

Looking back, I should have put Cutler on Denver's list...

Ronde not Rhonde..

Anything on the Bucs list? It was the probably the hardest for me the make.

d34ng3l021
09-03-2007, 12:39 AM
On the bright side we have a lot of young guys who could be great, it's up in the air if they will reach that potential or not.

Yeah.

DeAngelo Hall, Chris Houston, Jimmy Williams, Michael Boley, Demorrio Williams, Jamaal Anderson, Justin Blaylock, and Jerious Norwood.

All have potential to be huge stars.

Im_a_Romosexual
09-03-2007, 12:48 AM
Id put MBIII instead of Canty. Good list btw

Crazy_Chris
09-03-2007, 12:52 AM
Minnesota Vikings
1. Kevin Williams, DT
2. Steve Hutchinson, LG
3. Pat Williams, DT
4. Antoine Winfield, CB
5. Bryant McKinnie, LT
6. Matt Birk, C
7. Adrian Peterson, RB
8. Chester Taylor, RB
9. Chad Greenway, WLB
10. Cedric Griffin, CB

You did well but i think you should Switch Birk With McKennie. I also would take off Greenway And put E.J. Henderson in his place Greenway has the potential to be our best LB but right now E.j. is the Best and one of the best players on our team. After him i would take off Cedric Griffin and put Darren Sharper in his Place, while sharper had a down year last year he is still a damn good safety and one of our best players.

KCJ58
09-03-2007, 12:52 AM
for the Rams put Jeff Wilkins at #10 or Alex Barron

doingthisinsteadofwork
09-03-2007, 12:53 AM
How is Huff not on this list?

KCJ58
09-03-2007, 12:55 AM
this is my raider list

1. Derrick Burgess, DE
2. Nnamdi Asomugha, CB
3. Kirk Morrison, MLB
4. Warren Sapp, DT
5. Fabian Washington, CB
6. Thomas Howard, WLB
7. Michael Huff, SS
8. Ronald Curry, WR
9. Lamont Jordon, RB
10. Sam Williams, SLB

Don Vito
09-03-2007, 12:56 AM
New England Patriots
1. Tom Brady, QB
2. Richard Seymour, DE
3. Asante Samuel, CB
4. Adalius Thomas, ILB
5. Randy Moss, WR
6. Rodney Harrison, SS
7. Ty Warren, DE
8. Vince Wilfork, NT
9. Mike Vrabel, OLB
10. Laurence Maroney, RB


I would have it like this-

1. Brady
2. Seyomur
3. Ty Warren
4. Adailus Thomas
5. Vince Wilfork
6. Roosevelt Colvin
7. Logan Mankins
8. Asante Samuel
9. Laurence Maroney
10. Mike Vrabel

Our DL is really talented, and it is hard to see their individual abilities since our 3 starters all play so well. Rosie Colvin is one of the more underrated pass-rushers in the NFL and the same goes for Mankins at LG. Samuel put up some super numbers in a great 2006 but some of that is due to scheme (still a great player).

LonghornsLegend
09-03-2007, 12:56 AM
cant see a cowboys top 10 list without MBIII in there, he's definately a top 10 talent on our team

bearsfan_51
09-03-2007, 12:57 AM
Considering you're a Bears fan, that's pretty bad. Hester 3rd? Vasher 5th? No no no....

KCJ58
09-03-2007, 12:59 AM
Considering you're a Bears fan, that's pretty bad. Hester 3rd? Vasher 5th? No no no....

he made a typo Rex Grossman should be #1

BuckNaked
09-03-2007, 01:02 AM
How are Darren Sharper and Bryant McKinnie not on this list, yet Cedric Griffin and Chad Greenway are?

Crazy_Chris
09-03-2007, 01:04 AM
Bryant McKinnie is #5 Buck... But Darren Sharper Definatly needs to be on here so does E.J. Henderson IMO

ChiFan24
09-03-2007, 01:08 AM
Yeah, I knew my fellow Bears would have problems with my list. The consensus list would probably be something like this:

1. Urlacher
2. Harris
3. Kreutz
4. Brown
5. Briggs
6. Tillman
7. Vasher
8. Hester
9. Tait
10. Brown/Berrian/any DE

IMO, people severely underrate Hester's impact on a game. He single handedly wins the battle for field position. Even when he doesn't touch the ball, our drives start around the 40. When he does touch it, there's a VERY good chance he'll score.

And I'll argue Vasher over Tillman all day. I like both corners, but Vasher is the better of the two, IMO.



I do not like Sharper as a player...I think people get caught up in the turnovers and severely overrate him. Though, looking back, I'll agree I went a little too far ranking Greenway and Griffin ahead of him.

bearsfan_51
09-03-2007, 01:15 AM
Yeah, I knew my fellow Bears would have problems with my list. The consensus list would probably be something like this:

1. Urlacher
2. Harris
3. Kreutz
4. Brown
5. Briggs
6. Tillman
7. Vasher
8. Hester
9. Tait
10. Brown/Berrian/any DE

IMO, people severely underrate Hester's impact on a game. He single handedly wins the battle for field position. Even when he doesn't touch the ball, our drives start around the 40. When he does touch it, there's a VERY good chance he'll score.

And I'll argue Vasher over Tillman all day. I like both corners, but Vasher is the better of the two, IMO.
I actually think Mike Brown is overrated by most Bears fans, particularly considering that he can't stay on the field for more than half a season.

As for Vasher/Tillman, I like Vasher but there's no question in my mind. Look at the money each player got this offseason and you can tell who the FO thinks is more valuable. My list would probably be (and I'm projecting to next year a bit)

1)Urlacher
2)Harris
3)Kruetz
4)Briggs
5)Tillman
6)Anderson
7)Tait
8)Vasher
9)M. Brown
10)Berrian

I can't justify putting a returner in the top 10. Though I'd probably have him 11th.

OzTitan
09-03-2007, 01:17 AM
I'd put Jacob Bell and Bo Scaife on the list before Harper and Simon personally.

Flyboy
09-03-2007, 01:51 AM
Good topic.

Your Saints:

New Orleans Saints
1. Jammal Brown, LT
2. Will Smith, DE
3. Drew Brees, QB
4. Reggie Bush, RB
5. Deuce McAllister, RB
6. Charles Grant, DE
7. Marques Colston, WR
8. Jahri Evans, RG
9. Roman Harper, SS
10. Jeff Faine, C

My Saints:

1. Drew Brees, QB
2. Deuce McAllister, RB
3. Jammal Brown, LT
4. Will Smith, DE
5. Jahri Evans, RG
6. Reggie Bush, RB
7. Charles Grant, DE
8. Marques Colston, WR
9. Roman Harper, SS
10. Mike Karney, FB

MaxV
09-03-2007, 08:55 AM
Colts:

1. Peyton Manning
2. Marvin Harrison
3. Bob Sanders
4. Dwight Freeney
5. Reggie Wayne
6. Joseph Addai
7. Jeff Saturday
8. Robert Mathis
9. Marlin Jackson
10. Kelvin Hayden

I hope Tony Ugoh, Freddy Keiaho and other new starters can atleast make a case to be on this list.

trkaline
09-03-2007, 09:05 AM
I'll accept your Ravens list...

Addict
09-03-2007, 09:12 AM
Colts:

1. Jim Sorgi
2. Marvin Harrison
3. Bob Sanders
4. Dwight Freeney
5. Reggie Wayne
6. Joseph Addai
7. Jeff Saturday
8. Robert Mathis
9. Marlin Jackson
10. Kelvin Hayden

I hope Tony Ugoh, Freddy Keiaho and other new starters can atleast make a case to be on this list.

fixed it for you, weird typo though.

The Unseen
09-03-2007, 09:18 AM
Jacksonville Jaguars
1. John Henderson, DT
2. Rashean Mathis, CB
3. Marcus Stroud, DT
4. Maurice Jones Drew, RB/RS
5. Mike Peterson, MLB
6. Daryl Smith, WLB
7. Fred Taylor, RB
8. Khalif Barnes, LT
9. Vincent Manuwai, LG
10. Reggie Hayward, DE

That's a very good list. I might move MJD down a little, but it's good overall.

nvot9
09-03-2007, 09:18 AM
Jets rankings seem pretty good. I think Nick Mangold should be on it though, he had one of the best season's of any center last year, he had a better year than D'Brick.

MicktheGreat
09-03-2007, 09:29 AM
All right, after seeing Peter King's embarassingly bad top 500 players list, I felt obligated to make a top 500 list of my own. I decided that the easiest way to do this would be to compile a team by team top ten list, and then turn that into a top 500 list later. I consider myself pretty knowledgable, but unfortunately, I can't watch every game, so I'm sure there are mistakes. Please point out any GLARING mistakes/omissions that you see with your own team, so I can continue towards my top 500 list. I'm not going to listen to every criticism, since this IS my own list, but I'd like a little help.

Tennessee Titans
1. Vince Young, QB
2. Keith Bullock, WLB
3. Albert Haynesworth, DT
4. Chris Hope, SS
5. Kevin Mawae, C
6. Kyle Vanden Bosch, DE
7. Mike Roos, LT
8. David Thornton, SLB
9. Nick Harper, CB
10. Cory Simon, DT


Not a bad list...depends alot upon whether you're talking "potential" or actual "production."

Here's my list:

1. OLB Keith Bulluck
2. QB Vince Young
3. OT Michael Roos
4. DE Kyle Vanden Bosch
5. SS Chris Hope
6. C Kevin Mawae
7. OG Jacob Bell
8. DT Albert Haynesworth
9. OLB David Thornton
10. CB Nick Harper

VY is the most talented; but Bulluck's still our best player as of right now. However, I could see VY becoming our best player next year. Roos is the best OT that you've never seen play -- he's good in run-blocking, superb in pass-blocking, never gets penalties, and moves really well. I think he'll be a Pro-Bowler this season. Vanden Bosch is a double-digit sack threat every season (if he can get any help on the other side of the DL). Hope is consistently good. Mawae's a Hall-of-Famer and continues to play very well. Bell is a highly underrated lineman who can play every position on the OL (with the exception of left OT) -- I think he'll surpass Mawae as the 2nd best O-Lineman on the team this season. Haynesworth has TONS of potential but is highly inconsistent. Thornton's a good all-around LB. Nick Harper is a solid, reliable CB.

I could see RB Lendale White, TE Bo Scaife, CB Cortland Finnegan, and CB Michael Griffin threatening to make the list as the season progresses...

OzTitan
09-03-2007, 10:04 AM
Only way Roos is a pro bowler is if the Titans at least win one playoff game. Pro Bowl OL spots are given to the winners.

neko4
09-03-2007, 10:09 AM
For the Packers, but Favre at 10, Collins is still unproven'

For the Redskins, Laron shouldnt be on there and Cooley should be higher.

PoopSandwich
09-03-2007, 10:28 AM
No offense but your Browns list is way off...

Cleveland Browns
1. Kellen Winslow II, TE (not bad)
2. Eric Steinbach, LG (too high)
3. Kamerion Wimbley, OLB (#1 defensive player, probably our best)
4. Sean Jones, SS (Right)
5. LeCharles Bentley, C (Not even top 53 as far as im concerned until he gets to play.)
6. Andra Davis, ILB (A bit high for his skill set but not bad.)
7. Gary Baxter, CB (No way, you must be kidding.)
8. Braylon Edwards, WR (Could be 8, he drops alot of passes)
9. Joe Thomas, LT (I don't want rookies on my list)
10. Ted Washington, NT (... You haven't watched Ted Washington in a LONGGGG time.)

1. Kamerion Wimbley (Winslow and Wimbley are interchangeable, but I expect an insane year from Wimbley.)
2. Kellen Winslow
3. Sean Jones
4. Leigh Bodden
5. Eric Steinbach
6. Braylon Edwards
7. Andra Davis (I think he's overrated but he's still our leader.)
8. D'Qwell Jackson
9. Dave Zastudil (I don't care if hes a punter.)
10. Josh Cribbs (I don't care if hes a kick returner.)

No rookies, they haven't done anything yet.

BrownsTown
09-03-2007, 10:34 AM
No offense but your Browns list is way off...

1. Kamerion Wimbley (Winslow and Wimbley are interchangeable, but I expect an insane year from Wimbley.)
2. Kellen Winslow
3. Sean Jones
4. Leigh Bodden
5. Eric Steinbach
6. Braylon Edwards
7. Andra Davis (I think he's overrated but he's still our leader.)
8. D'Qwell Jackson
9. Dave Zastudil (I don't care if hes a punter.)
10. Josh Cribbs (I don't care if hes a kick returner.)

No rookies, they haven't done anything yet.

Top 8 looks fantastic, maybe switch Bodden and Jones, I'd say at 9, put Orpheus Roye and at 10, Willie McGinest. Zastudil is a great punter, but...he's a punter. Cribbs, a bit more feasible, but I think he needs to do just a little bit more in actual recieving to be considered top 10 on the team.

derza222
09-03-2007, 10:38 AM
Your Jets list isn't bad but could use a couple of changes. D'Brick is far too high, and Mangold should definitely be on that list. He was the one glaring omission. Also I think Rhodes/Vilma is kind of a toss up, but because Rhodes is better in the scheme we're currently in I'd have him on top. Victor Hobson is also very underrated, not only by people in general but by Jets fans as well.

1. Kerry Rhodes
2. Jonathan Vilma
3. Nick Mangold
4a. Laveraneus Coles
4b. Jerricho Cotchery
6. Thomas Jones
7. Shaun Ellis
8. Bryan Thomas
9. Chad Pennington
10. Victor Hobson

Gets a little muddled in the 8-12 area, but Coles and Cotchery are definitely two of the best players on the team because they're just very good all-around receivers and Mangold as I said is a very good player. I don't think D'Brick is top 10 yet, maybe if he makes a step this year but not yet.

yodabear
09-03-2007, 10:41 AM
If Tye Hill is our 8th best player, our season future is bleak.

I'd go

1. Holt
2. Jackson
3. Bulger
4. Pace
5. Little
6. Witherspoon
7. Bruce
8. McMichael
9. Bennett
10. Carriker

Yep, there are only three defensive guys that belong on the list.

BuckNaked
09-03-2007, 10:50 AM
Some of your ratings are alright, but i'd definitely tweak it. I'm not going to put AD on there yet considering he hasn't played an NFL snap in the regular season.

1. Kevin Williams
2. Steve Hutchinson
3. Pat Williams
4. Antoine Winfield
5. Darren Sharper
6. Bryant McKinnie
7. Chester Taylor
8. Matt Birk
9. E.J. Henderson
10. Ray Edwards (poised for a breakout season)

scottyboy
09-03-2007, 10:51 AM
If Tye Hill is our 8th best player, our season future is bleak.

I'd go

1. Leonard
2.Holt
3. Jackson
4. Bulger
5. Pace
6. Little
7. Witherspoon
8. Bruce
9. McMichael.
10. Carriker

Yep, there are only three defensive guys that belong on the list.

yoda, i fixed it for you. i guess those shower hugs messed up your typing...

TimD
09-03-2007, 10:56 AM
New York Jets
1. Jonathan Vilma, ILB
2. Kerry Rhodes, SS
3. D’Brickashaw Ferguson, LT
4. Thomas Jones, RB
5. Shaun Ellis, DE
6. Bryan Thomas, OLB
7. Laveranues Coles, WR
8. Chad Pennington, QB
9. Jerricho Cotchery, WR
10. Eric Coleman, FS


you left out Nick Mangold
This would be my Jets order
1. Jonathon Vilma, ILB
2. Kerry Rhodes, SS
3. Chad Pennington, QB
4. Thomas Jones, RB
5. Nick Mangold, C
6. Lavernues Coles, WR
7. Jerricho Cotchery, WR
8. Bryan Thomas, OLB
9. Shaun Ellis, DE
10. D'Brickashaw Ferguson

if you have any major problems and want a guy on there off of the list here's my on-the-bubble guys...

Dwayne Robertson, DT
Leon Washington RB
Victor Hobson OLB
Erik Coleman FS
Brandon Moore RG

no rookies...

ChiFan24
09-03-2007, 11:02 AM
I'm definitely going to go back and tweak some of these lists, mostly the AFC. I left a lot of guys off that I just plain forgot (Mangold, Bodden). I guess I was getting a little tired...

TimD
09-03-2007, 11:05 AM
I'm definitely going to go back and tweak some of these lists, mostly the AFC. I left a lot of guys off that I just plain forgot (Mangold, Bodden). I guess I was getting a little tired...

I'd also make a case for Ferguson to be taken off the list... And put Dwayne Robertson on. I know Robertson is not a NT and he is being forced to play it but he is still good. Unfortunately i think DaBrick struggles without Kendall to his right.

yodabear
09-03-2007, 11:05 AM
yoda, i fixed it for you. i guess those shower hugs messed up your typing...

I actually had Lenord #10, but I put Carriker there, cuz I have confidence that our front office actually picked someone good in the first round. I mean I don't think they have done that since Holt.

BrownsTown
09-03-2007, 11:06 AM
I'm definitely going to go back and tweak some of these lists, mostly the AFC. I left a lot of guys off that I just plain forgot (Mangold, Bodden). I guess I was getting a little tired...

If you need help, these are 3 simple words that help me get through life.

"Gary Baxter sucks"

derza222
09-03-2007, 11:15 AM
you left out Nick Mangold
This would be my Jets order
1. Jonathon Vilma, ILB
2. Kerry Rhodes, SS
3. Chad Pennington, QB
4. Thomas Jones, RB
5. Nick Mangold, C
6. Lavernues Coles, WR
7. Jerricho Cotchery, WR
8. Bryan Thomas, OLB
9. Shaun Ellis, DE
10. D'Brickashaw Ferguson

if you have any major problems and want a guy on there off of the list here's my on-the-bubble guys...

Dwayne Robertson, DT
Leon Washington RB
Victor Hobson OLB
Erik Coleman FS
Brandon Moore RG

no rookies...

Just my opinion, but I think you overrate Pennington and really underrate our two wideouts. They were an enormous reason for any offensive success last year.

ChiFan24
09-03-2007, 11:21 AM
Not sure why I have D'Brick so high. That'll definitely be fixed.

If you need help, these are 3 simple words that help me get through life.

"Gary Baxter sucks"

The last time I remember seeing him, he was a Raven, and he wasn't a bad player. He and Bentley have there problems, obviously, but I tried not to factor in injuries too much. I'll take Baxter off the list for now.

PoopSandwich
09-03-2007, 11:30 AM
Not sure why I have D'Brick so high. That'll definitely be fixed.



The last time I remember seeing him, he was a Raven, and he wasn't a bad player. He and Bentley have there problems, obviously, but I tried not to factor in injuries too much. I'll take Baxter off the list for now.

Bodden is much better and Bentley doesnt play.

High Roller
09-03-2007, 11:54 AM
Shawntae Spencer hasnt played well ive heard so far....def take him off top 10 and replace with Bryant Young.