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Geo
09-06-2007, 05:16 PM
WEEK 1
(All times Eastern)

Thursday, September 6
New Orleans at Indianapolis 8:30 PM

Sunday, September 9
Philadelphia at Green Bay 1:00 PM
Atlanta at Minnesota 1:00 PM
Miami at Washington 1:00 PM
New England at NY Jets 1:00 PM
Tennessee at Jacksonville 1:00 PM
Denver at Buffalo 1:00 PM
Pittsburgh at Cleveland 1:00 PM
Carolina at St. Louis 1:00 PM
Kansas City at Houston 1:00 PM
Tampa Bay at Seattle 4:15 PM
Chicago at San Diego 4:15 PM
Detroit at Oakland 4:15 PM
NY Giants at Dallas 8:15 PM

Monday, September 10
Baltimore at Cincinnati 7:00 PM
Arizona at San Francisco 10:15 PM


The start of a new season is upon us! Discussion is at hand!

Shiver
09-06-2007, 05:20 PM
Over/Under 1.5 sacks that Will Smith gets versus Tony Ugoh? http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/images/icons/icon12.gif

Man_Of_Steel
09-06-2007, 05:24 PM
Over/Under 1.5 sacks that Will Smith gets versus Tony Ugoh? http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/images/icons/icon12.gif

Ill go under.

Auron
09-06-2007, 05:36 PM
Over/Under 1.5 sacks that Will Smith gets versus Tony Ugoh? http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/images/icons/icon12.gif
I think him and Charles Grant will each notch a sack tonight, well at least I hope so. Manning is the most difficult QB in the league to sack he feels the rush extremely well, identifies where everyone on the field is, and releases the football so quickly.

The Colts will most surely adjust their blocking scheme to try and help out Ugoh as much as possible. I think it's crucial that we generate consistent pressure, make Manning check down and get rid of the football sooner than he wants to. So I hope we can at least do that Defensively.

I've expressed most of my thoughts on the Colts and Saints forums on this game. I think it will be a very fast paced, exciting game. I hope for no injuries, and a close game. I know this will be a very tough game for the Saints to win, I went with my heart over my head in this one.

Shiver
09-06-2007, 05:39 PM
My post was only half serious.

7-11
09-06-2007, 05:47 PM
Anyone else got that nervous excitement feeling going on? I'm just stoked its time for football

Shiver
09-06-2007, 05:56 PM
Anyone else got that nervous excitement feeling going on? I'm just stoked its time for football

This game is so much more exciting than the Steelers/Dolphins game from last year, that is to be sure.

diabsoule
09-06-2007, 05:58 PM
I'm really excited about the game tonight. I think it's going to be a really good one!

jayceheathman
09-06-2007, 06:22 PM
I will be hitting up Hooters every Sunday to get NFL Sunday ticket with a fantastic view just for buying something to eat. :) The thought of paying 64.99 for Directv is a little too much to handle.

HoopsDemon12
09-06-2007, 06:29 PM
Anyone else got that nervous excitement feeling going on? I'm just stoked its time for football

oh ya.. watching this pump up thing on NFL Network this morning i had chills up my spine and goosebumps... im ready and so pumped for this game

Windy
09-06-2007, 06:42 PM
Breaking News. Reggie Bush will score 3 TDs.

Smokey Joe
09-06-2007, 06:43 PM
Breaking news: Saints are incredibly overrated and will get creamed by the Colts tonight.

7-11
09-06-2007, 06:44 PM
oh ya.. watching this pump up thing on NFL Network this morning i had chills up my spine and goosebumps... im ready and so pumped for this game

I'd be even more pumped if i didn't live on the other side of the globe and thus have to be at work. But i'm going to avoid nlfdc when the game starts and avoid any internet activity for the rest of the working day until i get home where the game will be recorded and waiting for me

Scotty D
09-06-2007, 06:46 PM
I heard the line on the Saints was + 5. I wish I could get in on that.

skinzzfan25
09-06-2007, 07:13 PM
So glad the season is kicking off tonight. The offseason feels so long.

RyanLeaf#1
09-06-2007, 07:20 PM
So the Colts start their back to back campaign tonight

PACKmanN
09-06-2007, 07:32 PM
Faith or what ever her name is, is hot!

EdReedUnstoppable
09-06-2007, 07:33 PM
Thursday, September 6
New Orleans at Indianapolis 8:30 PM

Sunday, September 9
Philadelphia at Green Bay 1:00 PM
Atlanta at Minnesota 1:00 PM
Miami at Washington 1:00 PM
New England at NY Jets 1:00 PM
Tennessee at Jacksonville 1:00 PM
Denver at Buffalo 1:00 PM
Pittsburgh at Cleveland 1:00 PM
Carolina at St. Louis 1:00 PM
Kansas City at Houston 1:00 PM
Tampa Bay at Seattle 4:15 PM
Chicago at San Diego 4:15 PM
Detroit at Oakland 4:15 PM
NY Giants at Dallas 8:15 PM

Monday, September 10
Baltimore at Cincinnati 7:00 PM
Arizona at San Francisco 10:15 PM


My picks for week 1

Brodeur
09-06-2007, 07:37 PM
Ah yes, I miss the dozens of Our Country commercials per hour.

LonghornsLegend
09-06-2007, 07:38 PM
Wow the nfl really love to market reggie bush and peyton manning, their all over tv..reggie even got his own commercial explaining why he struggled to start the season last year, and to let everybody know he was still the best..

The game hasnt even started yet, and their all over the place

Paul
09-06-2007, 07:39 PM
Acting is not one of Reggie Bush's strong points.

B-Dawk
09-06-2007, 07:41 PM
son of a *****

Brodeur
09-06-2007, 07:41 PM
Oh jesus, the 1st play of the season and Joseph Addai could be hurt.

Paul
09-06-2007, 07:41 PM
Danm on the first play?

RyanLeaf#1
09-06-2007, 07:41 PM
Come on Addai shake it off

Basileus777
09-06-2007, 07:42 PM
Every Addai owner just had a heartattack.

Hines
09-06-2007, 07:42 PM
yikes that is bad for the colts if he doesnt heal

Vikes99ej
09-06-2007, 07:42 PM
Oh jesus, the 1st play of the season and Joseph Addai could be hurt.

Kenton Keith= beast in waiting

Borat
09-06-2007, 07:44 PM
Kenton Keith = Most added fantasy player

RyanLeaf#1
09-06-2007, 07:44 PM
Reggie Bush nothing

Philliez01
09-06-2007, 07:46 PM
Jamaal Brown was rather bad ass in his introduction. That wasn't a good sign for the run-D, having the secondary tackle; I'm scared.

Paul
09-06-2007, 07:47 PM
Ed Johnson can't be a rookie, he looks damn near 40.

bearsfan_51
09-06-2007, 07:48 PM
Reggie Bush is so talented he juked himself out of a first down.

comahan
09-06-2007, 07:50 PM
Reggie Bush is so talented he juked himself out of a first down.

Yes, indeed. That was an easy 1st, too.

EdReedUnstoppable
09-06-2007, 07:51 PM
Screw this Colts vs. Saints game, turn on the Middle Tennessee State @ Louisville game, absolutely no D whatsoever in the game its 38-35 Louisville with 1:20 something left in the 1st half.

PoopSandwich
09-06-2007, 07:51 PM
Reggie Bush is so talented he juked himself out of a first down.

Haha I got my Bush jersey on right now, I was like what are you doing Reggie!

I have a feeling NO is going to run for over 200 yards today.

RyanLeaf#1
09-06-2007, 07:53 PM
Big stop on 3rd and 6 NOTHIN REGGIE

RyanLeaf#1
09-06-2007, 07:53 PM
Kick is NO GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!

Philliez01
09-06-2007, 07:54 PM
Excellent job there Raheem. He is so critical to the D this year as the experienced UT.

Ok, field position time now as Mare' is immediately going on the waiver wire.

Scotty D
09-06-2007, 07:55 PM
Excellent job there Raheem. He is so critical to the D this year as the experienced UT.

Ok, field position time now as Mare' is immediately going on the waiver wire.

It was 52 yards and it had the distance.

RyanLeaf#1
09-06-2007, 07:57 PM
First down Dallas Clark!!!!

SuperKevin
09-06-2007, 07:57 PM
Jason David is my twin brother!

Philliez01
09-06-2007, 07:59 PM
It was 52 yards and it had the distance.

But hasn't that always been the problem with Olindo Mare? He always had a booming leg but his consistency is awful?

Nice block by Luke Lawton and Jeff Saturday right there.

RyanLeaf#1
09-06-2007, 08:00 PM
Yea Marv!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Im_a_Romosexual
09-06-2007, 08:00 PM
NIce Catch!!!!

Scotty D
09-06-2007, 08:00 PM
Crap. How can I win when my opponent is starting Brees and Manning.

bearsfan_51
09-06-2007, 08:00 PM
Jason David doing his best Fred Thomas impression.

SuperKevin
09-06-2007, 08:01 PM
Crap. How can I win when my opponent is starting Brees and Manning.

You can't. that right there will be like 75 points

Auron
09-06-2007, 08:02 PM
Well darn that was a vintage Indianapolis Colts drive right there. Wear out your front 4 with pounding runs, and then play action over the top for the TD.

We have to get a better push up front. :(

bearsfan_51
09-06-2007, 08:03 PM
Could we maybe limit the fantasy football discussion to say 30-40% of the gameday thread. I know you all think your fantasy football teams are really interesting, but trust me, they aren't.

Scotty D
09-06-2007, 08:04 PM
Could we maybe limit the fantasy football discussion to say 30-40% of the gameday thread. I know you all think your fantasy football teams are really interesting, but trust me, they aren't.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/parenting/images/300/baby_crying_closeup.jpg

bernbabybern820
09-06-2007, 08:04 PM
Wow my fantasy team is doing great so far!

The Unseen
09-06-2007, 08:04 PM
I hate Peyton Manning. And Marvin Harrison.

Vikes99ej
09-06-2007, 08:06 PM
Stupid Harrison. Jason David blows little boy peepee.

Borat
09-06-2007, 08:06 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/parenting/images/300/baby_crying_closeup.jpg

AHAHAHA. That's awesome.

SuperKevin
09-06-2007, 08:07 PM
Stupid Harrison. Jason David blows little boy peepee.

That's not nice. My brother's name is Jason David

The Unseen
09-06-2007, 08:07 PM
Drew Brees > Marvin Harrison

PACKmanN
09-06-2007, 08:08 PM
Stupid Harrison. Jason David blows little boy peepee.

lol he not a man-on-man cover guy, he a zone guy and teams will expose him.

bernbabybern820
09-06-2007, 08:08 PM
Was Bush even in on any play on that drive?

bearsfan_51
09-06-2007, 08:09 PM
AHAHAHA. That's awesome.
You've never seen that before? That's the stereotypical, "I have no valid counter-point so here's a picture of a crying baby'. Hell I do it all the time.

The point is that these gameday threads usually turn into nothing but spam of people blabbering about how many points they have and what their standings are in some nerdy fantasy league that nobody gives a cripes about. If that makes me whiney or hurts your feelings so be it, but I'm sure I'm not the only one that feels that way.

Fantasy football already has it's own thread. Don't spam up the thread for actual football.

The Great Jonathan Vilma
09-06-2007, 08:09 PM
Marvin makes it look so effortless, unbelievable. Manning to Harrison will live through the ages

LonghornsLegend
09-06-2007, 08:10 PM
LMAO@Reggie Bush...he's still running like he's at USC and this is the pac-10

The Great Jonathan Vilma
09-06-2007, 08:10 PM
You've never seen that before? That's the stereotypical, "I have no valid counter-point so here's a picture of a crying baby'. Hell I do it all the time.

The point is that these gameday threads usually turn into nothing but spam of people blabbering about how many points they have and what their standings are in some nerdy fantasy league that nobody gives a cripes about. If that makes me whiney or hurts your feelings so be it, but I'm sure I'm not the only one that feels that way.

ya, i can't stand all the fantasy talk about their teams. frick, every person on here has a team, but u don't have to always talk about them...

Borat
09-06-2007, 08:11 PM
You've never seen that before? That's the stereotypical, "I have no valid counter-point so here's a picture of a crying baby'. Hell I do it all the time.

The point is that these gameday threads usually turn into nothing but spam of people blabbering about how many points they have and what their standings are in some nerdy fantasy league that nobody gives a cripes about. If that makes me whiney or hurts your feelings so be it, but I'm sure I'm not the only one that feels that way.

Fantasy football already has it's own thread. Don't spam up the thread for actual football.

LOL. At you

KCJ58
09-06-2007, 08:11 PM
i was wondering why Manning was wearing the "C" on his jersey

LonghornsLegend
09-06-2007, 08:11 PM
Marvin makes it look so effortless, unbelievable. Manning to Harrison will live through the ages

those were my exact thoughts when i saw that play, they might be considered top 5 all time at their positions when they retire, and we are damn lucky to be watching them play..I know ill be talking about them when im old, they make it look so easy, and marvin is like jerry rice 2.0, does everything textbook perfect

Vikes99ej
09-06-2007, 08:12 PM
LOL. At you

I thought that, too. It's going to happen in here regardless of what anyone thinks. Unless someone makes a Fantasy Football Gameday Thread.

PACKmanN
09-06-2007, 08:12 PM
i was wondering why Manning was wearing the "C" on his jersey

does the word captain ring a bell?

RyanLeaf#1
09-06-2007, 08:13 PM
Addai is such a beast.

Scotty D
09-06-2007, 08:13 PM
For how much Peyton throws it is amazing how many times Peyton gets sacked. I'm sure Ugoh will increase that though.

bearsfan_51
09-06-2007, 08:14 PM
As much as I think Addai is overrated because of the offense he is in, he runs with tremendous vision.

SFbear
09-06-2007, 08:14 PM
does the word captain ring a bell?

Over Sorgi? Doubtful.

Wootylicous
09-06-2007, 08:16 PM
wow great play by the Saints D

The Unseen
09-06-2007, 08:16 PM
niiiiiiiiice!1

Brodeur
09-06-2007, 08:16 PM
Jason David isn't totally useless, hey.

Scotty D
09-06-2007, 08:16 PM
Beautiful strip by David.

Windy
09-06-2007, 08:17 PM
Ballsack time.

SFbear
09-06-2007, 08:17 PM
Redemption!

Paul
09-06-2007, 08:17 PM
That must feel like heaven for David.

Auron
09-06-2007, 08:17 PM
Jason David atoning for his mistake, stripping Wayne and returning it for a TD.

Vikes99ej
09-06-2007, 08:19 PM
That was a good play.

Borat
09-06-2007, 08:19 PM
OMG. The Saints defense scored someone's fantasy team a bunch of points. OMGOMGOMG.

Paul
09-06-2007, 08:19 PM
LOL that was an awesome commercial with John Lynch.

KCJ58
09-06-2007, 08:19 PM
i went to the bathroom what just happened

The Great Jonathan Vilma
09-06-2007, 08:20 PM
ya, very nice play. best thing that could have happened for David. i'm sure he felt like a tool getting burned for the TD against his former SB Champion team.

and we all thought defense wouldn't matter this game :)

Windy
09-06-2007, 08:20 PM
i went to the bathroom what just happened


a bowel movement?

Scotty D
09-06-2007, 08:22 PM
David is fired up but I think he should have gotten a flag for throwing Harrison down.

The Unseen
09-06-2007, 08:22 PM
a bowel movement?

I love you, Windy.

LonghornsLegend
09-06-2007, 08:22 PM
OMG. The Saints defense scored someone's fantasy team a bunch of points. OMGOMGOMG.

LOLOLOL(10 char)

Brodeur
09-06-2007, 08:28 PM
An Aaron Stecker sighting in the first half? Awesomeness.

The Unseen
09-06-2007, 08:28 PM
Sean Payton is like the Wizard of Ozfense.

Auron
09-06-2007, 08:32 PM
Just don't like the execution on Offense tonight. It was much better on that drive but we just made too many mental errors. Brees throwing a blind pass, not expecting Sanders to be there. Bush taking his eyes off the ball before it arrived...

Mare boots the FG but we have to execute better down in the Red Zone.

Basileus777
09-06-2007, 08:33 PM
Aaron Stecker would've caught that ball.

The Great Jonathan Vilma
09-06-2007, 08:35 PM
is it just me, or is this first half just flying by..........its almost halftime.

LonghornsLegend
09-06-2007, 08:35 PM
of course reggie bush is probably gonna struggle all game, but make one really really good play in the game to overshadow

Smooth Criminal
09-06-2007, 08:41 PM
the colts look human. Nice to see them experince dropped balls, penalties, and the fumble.

The Unseen
09-06-2007, 08:41 PM
Nice Cowboys/Diet Pepsi Max commerical. I lol'd.

Borat
09-06-2007, 08:41 PM
Damn, it's hard to keep up between the Colts/Saints, Louisville/Middle Tenn, this thread, the college gameday thread, the mlb thread and drink beers.

Borat
09-06-2007, 08:44 PM
AHAHAHAHA. Bearsfan51, you neg repped me? You're quite sensitive tonight.

Auron
09-06-2007, 08:44 PM
Wow. How in the world did Eric Johnson get that fumble back?! there was like 4 Colts Defenders in that vicinity.

great play by Keiaho to stuff the blocker and impede Bush's progress.

The Unseen
09-06-2007, 08:44 PM
AHAHAHAHA. Bearsfan51, you neg repped me? You're quite sensitive tonight.

Eh, what's new.

The Great Jonathan Vilma
09-06-2007, 08:48 PM
Eric Johnson getting that fumble was impressive. that or just disgraceful by the 4 colts in the area

Vikes99ej
09-06-2007, 08:55 PM
AHAHAHAHA. Bearsfan51, you neg repped me? You're quite sensitive tonight.

Where'd the sixth bar that I gave you go?

Borat
09-06-2007, 09:00 PM
Where'd the sixth bar that I gave you go?

Ummmmm, you'll have to hook me up tomorrow. Someone in here couldn't take a joke. It was a pretty harmless joke, but w/e. I'll post another hottie tomorrow and it'll be back :)

thule
09-06-2007, 09:03 PM
Both teams look pretty good. I wouldn't say the Saints look like the team to beat in the NFC tho based on what has happened so far.

LonghornsLegend
09-06-2007, 09:04 PM
LOL its so funny to listen to tiki talk now for some reason...i cant wait until they do the giants-cowboys game

Auron
09-06-2007, 09:06 PM
Even though we've been through all of training camp, and the pre-season. It kind of seems like both of these Offenses aren't quite in sync yet. (More so the Saints than the Colts) but the Colts also have committed some uncharacteristic false starts.

This game has been much more of a low scoring affair than people expected. Maybe the rule of thumb that Defenses are always ahead of Offenses in readiness to start the season holds true, or maybe we'll see an explosion of scoring in the 2nd half.

bernbabybern820
09-06-2007, 09:08 PM
Even though we've been through all of training camp, and the pre-season. It kind of seems like both of these Offenses aren't quite in sync yet. (More so the Saints than the Colts) but the Colts also have committed some uncharacteristic false starts.

This game has been much more of a low scoring affair than people expected. Maybe the rule of thumb that Defenses are always ahead of Offenses in readiness to start the season holds true, or maybe we'll see an explosion of scoring in the 2nd half.

Probably both.

Auron
09-06-2007, 09:09 PM
LOL its so funny to listen to tiki talk now for some reason...i cant wait until they do the giants-cowboys game

I'd say we look very poor Offensively, I haven't ever seen a Sean Payton Offense look so apprehensive. However I will say the Defense has been holding up a lot better than I expected. Except theylre giving up way too much in the rushing game.

If not for the David fumble return this might be a very different game right now. Hopefully we'll see a better 2nd half.

Donno
09-06-2007, 09:16 PM
The Saints will still lose, hey look the same Reggie Bush as last year.

soybean
09-06-2007, 09:17 PM
Was Bush even in on any play on that drive?

he gets like one carry for every 7-8 plays. I know he probably doesn't deserve it because of how bad he's been playing but give him SOMETHING.

soybean
09-06-2007, 09:19 PM
The Saints will still lose, hey look the same Reggie Bush as last year.

seriously, im a huge reggie bush fan but this is just sad.

Scotty D
09-06-2007, 09:20 PM
I think Bush may have been rated to highly in leagues this year.

Auron
09-06-2007, 09:23 PM
Colts were waiting for us to try and get aggressive and blitz. McKenzie missed the jam and Peyton shows why he's the best at beating the blitz.

Borat
09-06-2007, 09:27 PM
Joseph Addai dropping the "westside" sign after he scored?

Wootylicous
09-06-2007, 09:27 PM
Joseph Addai dropping the "westside" sign after he scored?

Yeah I've seen that too...

bearsfan_51
09-06-2007, 09:27 PM
Gamecenter is off to another solid start this year. One game and they can't even get it right.

bearsfan_51
09-06-2007, 09:28 PM
Joseph Addai dropping the "westside" sign after he scored?
It looked like he was mouthing "that's three", so maybe he just doesn't know how to count.

MaxV
09-06-2007, 09:30 PM
Guys, I'm not sure, but that sign might be a tribute to Addai's HS friend.

Chucky
09-06-2007, 09:30 PM
They gotta give reggie a few more touches, I know hes not doing great, but i he is the biggest playmaker on the team

Auron
09-06-2007, 09:32 PM
Brees has just been off tonight, so far tonight he's had 2 passes that could've been intercepted.

Colts are playing great D', but I've never seen our Offense this dysfunctional. Even in the blowout games from last season we were able to move the ball.

LonghornsLegend
09-06-2007, 09:32 PM
lets go sean payton, show me something...you gotta figure out a way to open your offense up because the tampa 2 is owning right now

Smooth Criminal
09-06-2007, 09:34 PM
It'll be interesting to see next week if the colts defense is gonna stay this effective or if it is just the saints offense not playing good.

jag
09-06-2007, 09:36 PM
If Reggie Bush can't run against the Colts D', I'm not too sure how this bodes for the rest of the season.

MaxV
09-06-2007, 09:37 PM
Beautiful Pass!!!!

Paul
09-06-2007, 09:37 PM
Just so damn easy.

KILLERSANTA
09-06-2007, 09:37 PM
Manning is kinda good......

Brodeur
09-06-2007, 09:37 PM
Well New Orleans is imploding in these 9 minutes.

The Unseen
09-06-2007, 09:37 PM
Jason David: welcome back to reality.

Pit Bull #53
09-06-2007, 09:37 PM
Brees averaging about 3.3 YPA. thats drew weatherford territory

bernbabybern820
09-06-2007, 09:38 PM
woo we got a shot of Sorgi!!

MaxV
09-06-2007, 09:38 PM
Brees averaging about 3.3 YPA. thats drew weatherford territory

The Colts D isn't giving him much.

I hope that continues.

Auron
09-06-2007, 09:38 PM
Well David beaten for another TD, he was on an island with Wayne and Peyton put it right on the money. I think our Defense is just too worn out now at this point in the game. They've been on the field a ton.

We have to score on this next drive.. but it's not looking too good.

Im_a_Romosexual
09-06-2007, 09:38 PM
long snapper is shaky tonight

The Unseen
09-06-2007, 09:39 PM
Brees averaging about 3.3 YPA. thats drew weatherford territory

And nearing the Reggie Ball zone.

Scotty D
09-06-2007, 09:40 PM
If Reggie Bush can't run against the Colts D', I'm not too sure how this bodes for the rest of the season.

I don't know. This might be the new Colts run D with Sanders back.

bearsfan_51
09-06-2007, 09:44 PM
Have either 1st round WRs seen the field yet? I haven't seen either.

MaxV
09-06-2007, 09:45 PM
Have either 1st round WRs seen the field yet? I haven't seen either.

Gonzalez played. Manning threw him a deep pass in the 1st quarter, but overthrew.

soybean
09-06-2007, 09:46 PM
if he didn't get that first down i was gonna flip.

MaxV
09-06-2007, 09:47 PM
Rob Morris is playing well today.

He seems like a MUCH better player when the expectations are lower for him.

HawkeyeFan
09-06-2007, 09:48 PM
Hows Bob Sanders doing tonight?

Wootylicous
09-06-2007, 09:48 PM
Wow.... Interception

MaxV
09-06-2007, 09:48 PM
Freddy is DA MAN!!!!

Brodeur
09-06-2007, 09:49 PM
I know he was under a lot of pressure but that was an awful throw. Just not Brees' night.

bearsfan_51
09-06-2007, 09:49 PM
Did Al Michaels really just say that Cato June had a great year last year?

Oh man...

MaxV
09-06-2007, 09:49 PM
Hows Bob Sanders doing tonight?

Well. Stopped a few running plays and almost had an INT.

LonghornsLegend
09-06-2007, 09:49 PM
that colts LB is making a name for himself, i havent heard much of him, but he is playing great out there, all over the place

soybean
09-06-2007, 09:49 PM
can we all stop this drew brees>carson palmer debate now?

MaxV
09-06-2007, 09:49 PM
Keiaho>>>>>June

The Unseen
09-06-2007, 09:51 PM
Did Al Michaels really just say that Cato June had a great year last year?

Oh man...

Reminds me of a joke from Football Outsiders: "The June kids always know what their getting for Christmas, cause daddy can't wrap anything up."

Auron
09-06-2007, 09:52 PM
I honestly don't know what's up with Drew tonight. He's ussually not this bad.

He never attempted those kind of throws last season, just poor footwork. Maybe because we're down 2 scores and maybe he was trying to force a play.

I'd say the Saints have a lot of work to do in preparation for next week.

bearsfan_51
09-06-2007, 09:52 PM
I honestly don't know what's up with Drew tonight. He's ussually not this bad.

He never attempted those kind of throws last season, just poor footwork. Maybe because we're down 2 scores and maybe he was trying to force a play.

I'd say the Saints have a lot of work to do in preparation for next week.
Maybe he's trying to take the Rex Grossman road to the Superbowl.

bernbabybern820
09-06-2007, 09:54 PM
I honestly don't know what's up with Drew tonight. He's ussually not this bad.

He never attempted those kind of throws last season, just poor footwork. Maybe because we're down 2 scores and maybe he was trying to force a play.

I'd say the Saints have a lot of work to do in preparation for next week.

Its the line more than anything. If the opposing team can get pressure on you while dropping 7 back you're going to have a rough time no matter what. Thats why it starts in the trenches.

Auron
09-06-2007, 09:59 PM
Its the line more than anything. If the opposing team can get pressure on you while dropping 7 back you're going to have a rough time no matter what. Thats why it starts in the trenches.

Yes the Offensive line has definitely not held up their share in this game, we're not getting enough time to let the deeper plays develop.

Both teams played a lot of 2-Deep Soft Zone, and the Colts were able to perfectly demonstrate how to beat that Defense. By running them right out of it, and then using the play action once the Linebackers and Safeties start coming up and playing on their heels.

We didn't establish the run well, and it showed. (We tried but couldn't gain the consistent chunks of yardage we needed). The Colts were able to pin their ears back and rush the passer while dropping 7 in coverage.

Wootylicous
09-06-2007, 10:04 PM
Jason David again...

The Unseen
09-06-2007, 10:04 PM
Jason David: welcome to reality.

Again.

Paul
09-06-2007, 10:04 PM
Now that's just unfair. Colt's offense is clicking.

bearsfan_51
09-06-2007, 10:04 PM
I wonder how the Saints fans feel about their great pickups on defense now.

The offseason makes every player a superstar.

bernbabybern820
09-06-2007, 10:05 PM
Oh my......

Scotty D
09-06-2007, 10:07 PM
Jason David is responsible for 28 points in this game.

PackerLegend
09-06-2007, 10:07 PM
Jason David looks a bit like Ahmad Carroll just not as many penalties

Borat
09-06-2007, 10:12 PM
I liken him to Sammy Davis Jr. Is that guy even in the league anymore?

diabsoule
09-06-2007, 10:12 PM
I will write a semi-big write-up tonight on the Saints and my thoughts on them. It will dependent on how inebriated I am on how cohesive it is, but as far as I can tell by the way this game is going I will more than likely not be as concise or cohesive as I would like. Stay tuned to my thoughts, if you are interested.

SuperKevin
09-06-2007, 10:14 PM
Man this looks like the old New Orleans Saints playing tonight

soybean
09-06-2007, 10:15 PM
I honestly don't know what's up with Drew tonight. He's ussually not this bad.

He never attempted those kind of throws last season, just poor footwork. Maybe because we're down 2 scores and maybe he was trying to force a play.

I'd say the Saints have a lot of work to do in preparation for next week.

i think he's just proving that he was overrated last season.

SFbear
09-06-2007, 10:16 PM
Man this looks like the old New Orleans Saints playing tonight

I'd actualy say this looks a lot like the NFC Championship game. Both times teh Saints O-line just could not keep the opposing team out of the backfield and the Saints kept turning over the ball.

Could be the speed on D neutralizing the Saints' strengths.

Auron
09-06-2007, 10:25 PM
I'd actualy say this looks a lot like the NFC Championship game. Both times teh Saints O-line just could not keep the opposing team out of the backfield and the Saints kept turning over the ball.

Could be the speed on D neutralizing the Saints' strengths.

Yes but at least in that game we could get in the End Zone Offensively. Based on this first game this Offense looks inept, we're getting man handled up front and just not executing.

Congratulations to the Colts and their fans they looked like a Elite team ready to repeat, the Saints don't look anywhere near that level yet.

SchizophrenicBatman
09-06-2007, 10:29 PM
I said this after the third preseason week and I still believe it

The NFC South could be historically terrible this year

BigDawg819
09-06-2007, 10:30 PM
Wow the Saints have no heart......

Auron
09-06-2007, 10:30 PM
That was down right embarrassing..

Windy
09-06-2007, 10:30 PM
Giordano! Finally. Go Cal.

soybean
09-06-2007, 10:30 PM
worst qb in the league and im dead serious.

soybean
09-06-2007, 10:31 PM
Giordano! Finally. Go Cal.

two good plays by cal players today. dey hughes tip was nice too.

soybean
09-06-2007, 10:31 PM
this is like ohio state vs. florida all over again.

Borat
09-06-2007, 10:32 PM
Awful. Just awful.

bearsfan_51
09-06-2007, 10:32 PM
I said this after the third preseason week and I still believe it

The NFC South could be historically terrible this year
Yeah I said that shortly after Vick got shitcanned. 8 or 9 wins could take it.

I actually think Tampa has a real good chance to take it, so long as Garcia can maintain his play from last year.

WMD
09-06-2007, 10:32 PM
worst qb in the league and im dead serious.

No need to bring Jon Kitna into this...

bernbabybern820
09-06-2007, 10:32 PM
Even though we've been through all of training camp, and the pre-season. It kind of seems like both of these Offenses aren't quite in sync yet. (More so the Saints than the Colts) but the Colts also have committed some uncharacteristic false starts.

This game has been much more of a low scoring affair than people expected. Maybe the rule of thumb that Defenses are always ahead of Offenses in readiness to start the season holds true, or maybe we'll see an explosion of scoring in the 2nd half.

Probably both.

Umm i guess i was a quarter right.

BigDawg819
09-06-2007, 10:33 PM
Nice record Drew.........

PalmerToCJ
09-06-2007, 10:34 PM
While this is just one game it isn't hurting my Bengals>Saints and Palmer>Brees debates over the offseason.

BigDawg819
09-06-2007, 10:35 PM
While this is just one game it isn't hurting my Bengals>Saints and Palmer>Brees debates over the offseason.

Yeah I think you may have found a team with a worse defense then the Bengals.

Shiver
09-06-2007, 10:35 PM
While this is just one game it isn't hurting my Bengals>Saints and Palmer>Brees debates over the offseason.


It hurts my Colts won't be as good prediction. But it helps my Reggie Bush is grossly overrated argument.

soybean
09-06-2007, 10:37 PM
It hurts my Colts won't be as good prediction. But it helps my Reggie Bush is grossly overrated argument.

i really want to debate that last issue with you, but i have nothing to back up my claim...

bernbabybern820
09-06-2007, 10:37 PM
This game hurts my im a Reggie Bush fanboy statement but helps my im a Peyton Manning fanboy statement.

WMD
09-06-2007, 10:38 PM
While this is just one game it isn't hurting my Bengals>Saints and Palmer>Brees debates over the offseason.

You've had to debate that Carson Palmer was better than Drew Brees? Everyone should know that, even Drew Brees' mom..

soybean
09-06-2007, 10:38 PM
No need to bring Jon Kitna into this...

i wouldve taken kitna over brees for that game, hell ill take chris leak over brees.

MaxV
09-06-2007, 10:38 PM
Guys, Brees is a good QB and Saints will be a playoff team.

Colts' D played an AWESOME game today. I hope that continues.

bearsfan_51
09-06-2007, 10:39 PM
Manning wins the horse trailer, mostly because he looks like a horse.

Windy
09-06-2007, 10:40 PM
reggie didnt look to good but the line sucked.

Smokey Joe
09-06-2007, 10:40 PM
can I call a game or what?

soybean
09-06-2007, 10:41 PM
Guys, Brees is a good QB and Saints will be a playoff team.

Colts' D played an AWESOME game today. I hope that continues.

with, jason david hell no. he got owned baddd. and if reggie wayne can do that to him, imagine what fitz, steve smith, boldin, holt, and all the other NFC wrs do to him.

bearsfan_51
09-06-2007, 10:41 PM
Guys, Brees is a good QB and Saints will be a playoff team.

Colts' D played an AWESOME game today. I hope that continues.
Yeah it was so awesome how they caught the ball when it was throw right to their chests on multiple occasions.

I don't buy that this game is much of a knock against Brees at all but come on....even Rex Grossman thought that performance sucked.

Chucky
09-06-2007, 10:41 PM
Yeah I said that shortly after Vick got shitcanned. 8 or 9 wins could take it.

I actually think Tampa has a real good chance to take it, so long as Garcia can maintain his play from last year.

Another repeat of the last to first trend in the NFC south? that would be awesome

Shiver
09-06-2007, 10:41 PM
Where are the Saints' fans who talked about how big of an upgrade Jason David would be over Fred Thomas? Looked like more of the same, if not worse, to me.

bearsfan_51
09-06-2007, 10:42 PM
reggie didnt look to good but the line sucked.

Reggie makes the line look bad, Barry Sanders had the same downfall, but he could break tackles like a mofo so it wasn't as noticeable. Any runningback that dances will make their line look porous.

soybean
09-06-2007, 10:42 PM
reggie didnt look to good but the line sucked.

eh, mccallister was equally bad.

BigDawg819
09-06-2007, 10:42 PM
Right now:

Kyle Boller > Drew Brees

bearsfan_51
09-06-2007, 10:42 PM
Where are the Colts' fans who talked about how big of an upgrade Jason David would be over Fred Thomas? Looked like more of the same, if not worse, to me.
Saints fans you mean? I called that out a few pages back.

MaxV
09-06-2007, 10:43 PM
with, jason david hell no. he got owned baddd. and if reggie wayne can do that to him, imagine what fitz, steve smith, boldin, holt, and all the other NFC wrs do to him.

What is that suppose to mean???

Wayne is an elite player also.

diabsoule
09-06-2007, 10:43 PM
I won't look too much into this game. The Colts looked like the defending Super Bowl champions and the Saints looked like the team that lost to the Bears in the NFC Championship game.

My thoughts still to come. I'm still drinking away my sorrows.

Windy
09-06-2007, 10:43 PM
Reggie makes the line look bad, Barry Sanders had the same downfall, but he could break tackles like a mofo so it wasn't as noticeable. Any runningback that dances will make their line look porous.

i agree but a few times he absolutely had no where to go. looked like the 06 raiders.

BigDawg819
09-06-2007, 10:44 PM
Reggie Wayne showed why he was worth the 2nd round pick in fantasy I took him with! :D

Shiver
09-06-2007, 10:44 PM
Saints fans you mean? I called that out a few pages back.

Caught it before the edit.

bearsfan_51
09-06-2007, 10:45 PM
I won't look too much into this game. The Colts looked like the defending Super Bowl champions and the Saints looked like the team that lost to the Bears in the NFC Championship game.

My thoughts still to come. I'm still drinking away my sorrows.
If there's any consolation it's that it only counts as one loss no matter how bad it is.

Plus it's a game most people expected the Saints to lose anyway.

I'm telling myself that as the Bears prepare for the Chargers.

MaxV
09-06-2007, 10:45 PM
Look, Brees and the rest of the Saints' O looked terrible today, but that doesn't mean they'll play like that the whole season.

I'm still expecting this O, and Reggie Bush in particular, to have a big year.

diabsoule
09-06-2007, 10:45 PM
Where are the Saints' fans who talked about how big of an upgrade Jason David would be over Fred Thomas? Looked like more of the same, if not worse, to me.

Like I said, my thoughts still to come. I try not to be a fan that looks too much into things and I will continue to be that fan. I try to be base my thoughts more on the history of team performances than on fantastic predictions. I still plan on writing a big (possibly) write-up tonight about my thoughts on the game.

diabsoule
09-06-2007, 10:46 PM
If there's any consolation it's that it only counts as one loss no matter how bad it is.

Plus it's a game most people expected the Saints to lose anyway.

I'm telling myself that as the Bears prepare for the Chargers.

The Saints have historically lost, and lost bad, to the Colts. It is as if it has been predestined by fate. I just thought they would show up more than they did tonight.

Borat
09-06-2007, 10:47 PM
Great win for the Colts. They forced the Saints into an implosion and earned a big W.

D-Unit
09-06-2007, 10:47 PM
Absolutely pathetic performance by the Saints.

MaxV
09-06-2007, 10:48 PM
I love the way Colts' D looked tonight. I hope it's a sign of things to come.

bearsfan_51
09-06-2007, 10:49 PM
God I hate Sean Salisbury. The Saints are only the best team in the NFC because media hacks like you drastically overrated them.

Stash
09-06-2007, 10:56 PM
I was hoping the game would be a shootout, but it turned out completely one-sided. The Colts D looked surprisingly good, they didn't allow a single offensive touchdown.

soybean
09-06-2007, 11:00 PM
i said this before but ill say it again: I hope that robert meachem pick was worth it.

The saints defense needs some serious help... maybe a backup qb too.

San Diego Chicken
09-06-2007, 11:01 PM
Brees was awful tonight. Scared to take shots downfield, throwing picks, fumbling. He is a good QB, but he has games like this often that make you just shake your head and wonder.

619
09-06-2007, 11:02 PM
Where are the Saints' fans who talked about how big of an upgrade Jason David would be over Fred Thomas? Looked like more of the same, if not worse, to me.

like it or not hes a cover 2 corner and now hes bein exposed to the actual talent that he is which isnt much. listen to deion sanders..jus bout any1 in the NFL can play cover 2 and be successful.

Shiver
09-06-2007, 11:06 PM
The Colts' two questions were:

1. How would the Colts' defense perform, specifically against the run?
2. How would Tony Ugoh handle the LT position?

If tonight's game is any indication of what is to come, consider those questions answered. That said, tis a long season and we shall see if they continue to play at such a high level.

robert_in_bigd
09-06-2007, 11:10 PM
God I hate Sean Salisbury. The Saints are only the best team in the NFC because media hacks like you drastically overrated them.


Amen. They had a magical season playing a last place schedule with a brand new HC/OC who scored tons of points.

Tonite, it looked like someone figured out Payton.

BigDawg819
09-06-2007, 11:11 PM
The Colts' two questions were:

1. How would the Colts' defense perform, specifically against the run?
2. How would Tony Ugoh handle the LT position?

If tonight's game is any indication of what is to come, consider those questions answered. That said, tis a long season and we shall see if they continue to play at such a high level.

I wouldn't say Ugoh has quieted the doubters of him just yet. He still has to work on his technique.

619
09-06-2007, 11:13 PM
Amen. They had a magical season playing a last place schedule with a brand new HC/OC who scored tons of points.

Tonite, it looked like someone figured out Payton.

dont forget they were playin the superbowl champs

Caddy
09-06-2007, 11:14 PM
Reggie Wayne showed why he was worth the 2nd round pick in fantasy I took him with! :D

Here here.

But I got him in the 3rd :)

Shiver
09-06-2007, 11:15 PM
I wouldn't say Ugoh has quieted the doubters of him just yet. He still has to work on his technique.

No doubt, but so far so good. I'm more surprised about the defense. Did the Saints just not come to play, or were the Colts just that dominant? Was it an aberration?

BigDawg819
09-06-2007, 11:16 PM
No doubt, but so far so good. I'm more surprised about the defense. Did the Saints just not come to play, or were the Colts just that dominant? Was it an aberration?

I have to say while the Colts D was impressive, the Saints offensive game planning was atrocious.

D-Unit
09-06-2007, 11:17 PM
Looks like the NFC belongs to the Cowboys this year...

619
09-06-2007, 11:17 PM
every1 knew tha saints D stinks but most thought it would be a much closer contest because they thought the colts D was jus as bad

princefielder28
09-06-2007, 11:20 PM
I wouldn't say Ugoh has quieted the doubters of him just yet. He still has to work on his technique.

He has a way to go but as a rookie in his first game you can't be too disappointed

BigDawg819
09-06-2007, 11:21 PM
He has a way to go but as a rookie in his first game you can't be too disappointed

I didn't say I was disappointed I just was stating he's still a work in progress.

AlexDown
09-06-2007, 11:27 PM
Looks like the NFC belongs to the Cowboys this year...


Cowboy fans...... ;)

The Great Jonathan Vilma
09-06-2007, 11:29 PM
monster half for Reggie Wayne. same could be said for Jason David.....special stuff

D-Unit
09-06-2007, 11:34 PM
So do fantasy owners of Saints players begin to panic???

BigDawg819
09-06-2007, 11:34 PM
So do fantasy owners of Saints players begin to panic???

I see the trades starting to fly as we speak......

D-Unit
09-06-2007, 11:38 PM
I see the trades starting to fly as we speak......
A lot of overhype... by the so called fantasy experts.

BigDawg819
09-06-2007, 11:42 PM
A lot of overhype... by the so called fantasy experts.

Very much so........Colsten, Deuce, and Brees will be had cheaply in a lot of leagues right now.

PalmerToCJ
09-06-2007, 11:42 PM
I had Brees, I figured he'd be a very good play this week. Ouch, oh well I'll get over it.

Shiver
09-06-2007, 11:43 PM
I was reading the PFT game-blog and there were several gems:

If Mike Vick owned the Saints Jason David might have electrodes attached to his onions.

Reggie Wayne turns Jason David into a piece of bread with the toaster set on 13.

A reader wants to know if Saints jerseys can't be purchased with numbers 34 and 42 and the name plates "Well Done" and "Extra Crispy."

This is the best Jason David has ever played for the Colts.

I hope that Peyton Manning at least gives Jason David a cigarette when he's done with him.

Quizno's just created a new sub -- it's called the Jason David." (They put it through the oven three times.)

Ladies and gentlemen, your 2005 New Orleans Saints.

BigDawg819
09-06-2007, 11:44 PM
I had Brees, I figured he'd be a very good play this week. Ouch, oh well I'll get over it.

I'm pretty sure everyone thought he'd be a good play this week.

Now my dilemma is whether to start Hasselback or Schaub?

Shiver
09-06-2007, 11:45 PM
I have the same dilemma and I am starting Hasselbeck.

BigDawg819
09-06-2007, 11:45 PM
I was reading the PFT game-blog and there were several gems:

Wow Jason David getting no love......

Shiver
09-06-2007, 11:46 PM
You should have read what they wrote about Kelly Clarkson! Yikes.

BigDawg819
09-06-2007, 11:46 PM
I have the same dilemma and I am starting Hasselbeck.

I have Hasselbeck starting but something tells me to give Schaub the nod with the Texans playing KC at home. And NO commie I'm not giving you Schaub!

Geo
09-07-2007, 12:08 AM
Five quick points about tonight's Colts vs. Saints game:

5. I couldn't tell you how big the lump in my throat was when Addai was down on the ground after the first play (which we later learned was from reportedly getting the wind knocked out of him). Not as big as the lumps in Bill Polian's, Tony Dungy's, and Peyton Manning's throats, I'll tell you that. And Addai came back to have a great day today, starting the year with 100+ yards and a TD. He especially looked more comfortable with the stretch play.

4. Jason David will get better, Saints fans. He's not an elite corner obviously, but the guy was playing in the same scheme, day in and day out, for three straight years coming out of college as a 4th round pick from Washington State. He had his doubters then, as he does now, but he'll become a productive starter. Give him time, he certainly is an upgrade from Fred Thomas. Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne played against him in practice for three years, they kind of knew what to expect (we'll see how Nick Harper fares next Sunday, I guess). In his post-game conference, David didn't shy away from the blame and looked forward to getting better, and he will.

3. The Saints are a much better team than we saw tonight, especially the offense. Fans and media are as fickle as ever nowadays, so expect the "omg the Saints are a fraud one-year wonder" blablabla from idiots like Salisbury, but whatever. It's a 16-game season, for crying out loud. The Colts are an experienced team, with young talent in place of experience in some spots, which played very well at home and got the better of the Saints today. Heck, we saw the Saints start the preseason off miserably and, using their mistakes to learn from, play much better thereafter. The experience the Colts have together - Manning, Harrison, Wayne, and Clark most notably, I suppose - is what helps them play well enough to win in season openers despite the tough match-ups, whereas some teams like the Saints can have defenses working in new players or new schemes.

2. Don't crown the Colts just yet, Dennis Green. They did look good tonight, yes. But so did Buffalo four years ago when they spanked the 2003 Patriots 31-0 at home. The last game of the season? The Patriots won 31-0 and went on to win the Super Bowl. But the Colts defense showed promise as hoped, with the very talented youngsters getting their chance to play and some veterans more comfortable in their roles. They did some good things in the preseason and successfully carried that positive vibe into the regular season which was very good (the home crowd definitely helped, of course). Hopefully they can carry this energy, confidence, and execution especially into their Week 2 matchup at Tennessee, where they lost last year.

1. I like teams playing big games this early. Teams are usually at their healthiest, especially if your HC is Tom Coughlin (eek), but I'm a firm believer that being challenged can help a team get better. It's good that the Saints took this thumping this early, it gets a tough game on the schedule out of the way while giving them specific areas to improve and a barometer in mind. And, at least in the Colts' case, playing big games early helps prepare the team and the young players (rookies most especially) for the regular season and big games in general help prepare for the postseason. Guys like Addai and Ugoh played in the SEC, which is obviously a boon, but they both started off the season in playoff-like atmosphere and competition - and that's a big benefit.


Er, maybe that wasn't so quick. I'm glad both teams stayed healthy, btw. I have Brees on one fantasy team and Bush on another, but I can't say I'm too sad right now. ;)

Geo
09-07-2007, 12:12 AM
I was reading the PFT game-blog and there were several gems:
There's some dingers on there, wow. I'm sure Florio had a few in mind going in.

Crazy_Chris
09-07-2007, 12:13 AM
Maybe Now the media will stop and think before they start blindly hyping the saints again.

Geo
09-07-2007, 12:18 AM
The media will talk about something, even if it doesn't make sense. Especially when there's no actual football to be played to satiate the demand of its consumers. More often than not, it's about filling time and/or just arguing for the sake of.

diabsoule
09-07-2007, 12:33 AM
I said that I would write my write-up later and here it is.

1. The game today was won by the Colts and lost by the Saints on the line of scrimmage.
Last season, the Saints used a lot of 3 step drops to get the ball of Brees' hands quickly and into the receivers hands so they could either pick up yards with their hands or get some with their feet. This game we saw Brees do a lot of 5 to 7 step drops and the Saints offensive line showed their worth. Namely, that there isn't a lot of worth to be put in it. Jammal Brown and Jon Stinchcomb were owned by Dwight Freeney for the most part. Neither could contain him and it was fairly evident. Because of the pressure put on Brees he was having to throw off of his back foot most of the night and made horrible reads and throws that resulting in 2 picks and tons of drops. He was lucky that he only had 2 picks.
On the defensive side of the ball the Saints were owned as well. I don't know where Sean Payton's head was, more than likely lodged between the two cheeks located in his nether regions, but starting Antwan Lake opposite Kendrick Clancy is just a bad idea plain and simple. Sure, they played well together in pre-season but this is the regular season where teams will be giving their 110% on every play. Hollis Thomas should have been in the game, whether opposite Clancy, Lake, or *insert player name* the line of scrimmage would have been that contested that much more and more than likely would have resulted in less rushing yards than the Colts gained. Hollis Thomas helped clog the run last year and I don't see why he wouldn't be able to do the same this year.

2. The blueprint has been laid.
The Saints secondary is still suspect to the pass, whether a long bomb or a short zip pass. While I expect Jason David to become better as a man-to-man cornerback, it is obvious that he is not a shutdown corner and is not as big of an upgrade over Fred Thomas as most Saints fans expected him to be. The Saints should have plaid more zone coverages to play to David's weakness in man coverage. Also, it has to say something about David's intelligence when he was constantly staring down Peyton Manning instead of paying attention to the receiver. He played against Manning in practice for three years, you would expect someone who has that much experience facing a quarterback would have fared better but he was burnt more than is expected. I think he will get better but teams will now line up their speedy receivers against either him or Mike McKenzie, who was also burned.

3. The Saints play-calling was too complex.
Play-action. Draw. Misdirection. There's the Saints play book. Take out all of the gadget plays, draws, and play-action passes and the Saints play book would be threadbare, I expect. For as suspect as the Colts run defense was touted to be, I would have expected the Saints to have played a ball-control type offense. Run the ball down their throats. Use Deuce and Reggie to help establish the line of scrimmage and wear down the defense. That was not done at all. I guess mostly because of point #1 but also because the offense seemed too reliant on the pass. Drew Brees looked terrible. Absolutely awful. This was not the Drew Brees that we saw last year and I expect this is not the Drew Brees we expect to see this year.

4. The Colts know how to draft.
For all of their losses in free agency, the Colts seemed to do fine. Tony Ugoh looked good at LT. Antoine Bethea, Marlin Jackson, Freddy Keiaho, Kelvin Hayden and all the rest of the unexperienced bunch more than held their own against what was expected to be an explosive Saints offense. I do not know if this is a sign of things to come but it seems like Bill Polian and Tony Dungy both know how to evaluate talent and draft player who fit their scheme perfectly.

There is not much good to take away from this game as a Saints fan. We should have played better. That's it. We played like crap. I expect us to play better against Tampa Bay. But one thing is evident, the Colts have had our number for years and they continue to have it. Also, as Geo pointed out, the Saints should get better as was shown during pre-season. I hope anyway.
I'm sure this write-up could have been more detailed and explicit if I would not have had Mr. Miller Lite helping me out.

Shiver
09-07-2007, 01:41 AM
Five quick points about tonight's Colts vs. Saints game:

5. I couldn't tell you how big the lump in my throat was when Addai was down on the ground after the first play (which we later learned was from reportedly getting the wind knocked out of him). Not as big as the lumps in Bill Polian's, Tony Dungy's, and Peyton Manning's throats, I'll tell you that. And Addai came back to have a great day today, starting the year with 100+ yards and a TD. He especially looked more comfortable with the stretch play.

4. Jason David will get better, Saints fans. He's not an elite corner obviously, but the guy was playing in the same scheme, day in and day out, for three straight years coming out of college as a 4th round pick from Washington State. He had his doubters then, as he does now, but he'll become a productive starter. Give him time, he certainly is an upgrade from Fred Thomas. Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne played against him in practice for three years, they kind of knew what to expect (we'll see how Nick Harper fares next Sunday, I guess). In his post-game conference, David didn't shy away from the blame and looked forward to getting better, and he will.

3. The Saints are a much better team than we saw tonight, especially the offense. Fans and media are as fickle as ever nowadays, so expect the "omg the Saints are a fraud one-year wonder" blablabla from idiots like Salisbury, but whatever. It's a 16-game season, for crying out loud. The Colts are an experienced team, with young talent in place of experience in some spots, which played very well at home and got the better of the Saints today. Heck, we saw the Saints start the preseason off miserably and, using their mistakes to learn from, play much better thereafter. The experience the Colts have together - Manning, Harrison, Wayne, and Clark most notably, I suppose - is what helps them play well enough to win in season openers despite the tough match-ups, whereas some teams like the Saints can have defenses working in new players or new schemes.

2. Don't crown the Colts just yet, Dennis Green. They did look good tonight, yes. But so did Buffalo four years ago when they spanked the 2003 Patriots 31-0 at home. The last game of the season? The Patriots won 31-0 and went on to win the Super Bowl. But the Colts defense showed promise as hoped, with the very talented youngsters getting their chance to play and some veterans more comfortable in their roles. They did some good things in the preseason and successfully carried that positive vibe into the regular season which was very good (the home crowd definitely helped, of course). Hopefully they can carry this energy, confidence, and execution especially into their Week 2 matchup at Tennessee, where they lost last year.

1. I like teams playing big games this early. Teams are usually at their healthiest, especially if your HC is Tom Coughlin (eek), but I'm a firm believer that being challenged can help a team get better. It's good that the Saints took this thumping this early, it gets a tough game on the schedule out of the way while giving them specific areas to improve and a barometer in mind. And, at least in the Colts' case, playing big games early helps prepare the team and the young players (rookies most especially) for the regular season and big games in general help prepare for the postseason. Guys like Addai and Ugoh played in the SEC, which is obviously a boon, but they both started off the season in playoff-like atmosphere and competition - and that's a big benefit.


Er, maybe that wasn't so quick. I'm glad both teams stayed healthy, btw. I have Brees on one fantasy team and Bush on another, but I can't say I'm too sad right now. ;)

Very level-headed analysis. The only one I don't agree with is Jason David. I never liked that acquisition. I think all corners that play in that system are protected. Once they leave, however, offenses go at them and see how they will handle it. When he had to cover Wayne and Harrison 1-on-1, deep down the field, he got roasted.

Auron
09-07-2007, 01:42 AM
Some very insightful posts. I'd like to add that I think a lot of us, including myself greatly underestimated this Colts Defense. Much was made of their off-season player losses, but tonight I realized they off-set those losses brilliantly. Freddy Keiaho is very instinctive, and athletic, even though physically he may be undersized he's not afraid to come up against the run and take on a block. The Corners they've replaced are actually better fits for their scheme Marlin Jackson, and Kelvin Hayden have the perfect skills sets for a Cover 2 Corner. They're physical, and aggressive and get good jams on the WRs at the line. They just have so much speed on Defense, they force you to take the underneath stuff and then immediately swarm to the ball and give you little to nothing after the catch. Also what surprises me was how much better they were fundamentally, everyone tackles with great form (which they really fixed from last season) and that's a credit to the coaching. I think a lot of people grossly underrated the Colts Defense, it's a much better unit overall than I expected.

Also Ugoh impressed me, overall he looked a lot better than I thought he would. Especially with his lateral quickness in getting to the outside, and the second level. There were times he got beat and managed to get away with it due to Manning's superb pocket presence but overall I thought he did about as well as you can ask for out of a Rookie Left Tackle starting his first regular season game.

In order to beat the Cover 2, you absolutely have to be able to run the ball when teams drop 7, and rush only 4. Both teams started off playing a very soft 2-Deep Zone and it worked very well, limiting both sides in the first half. The difference was Addai and that O-line were able to run us right out of our Soft Zone Shell. While we with Deuce and Bush could not. Then in the second half out of desperation we went out of that Defense and started to get more aggressive trying to force turnovers by blitzing, and taking risks, and when you do that against Manning you're done if you can't get to him.

One of my biggest concerns would be Drew Brees' performance tonight. This was definitely not the same Quarterback who led the league in passing last year. It looked like someone abducted him. He was just so mechanically poor, throwing off his backfoot, rushing his throws into coverage. Last season he never made those kind of errors. The pass protection was abysmal at times, and with no running game Indy's pass rushers were able to just tee off on him in the 2nd half. I think he'll rebound but that was disheartening to see your leader play like that.

ShutDwn
09-07-2007, 06:27 AM
Crown their ass.

Hines
09-07-2007, 09:23 AM
i think the saints will bounce back just fine and become a better defensive team...while the colts probably have improved defensively,i believe it will not improve enough to make it past the conference championship

trkaline
09-07-2007, 09:36 AM
It was the first game of the season and obviously the Colts were much more prepared.We'll just have to watch if it becomes there routine ouch at that time then I suppose New Orleans Fans will be clamouring for blood...

soybean
09-07-2007, 10:24 AM
how come peyton audibles every damn play?