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Boston
09-08-2007, 01:01 AM
I'd just thought I'd start out this new page by stating the obvious.

Vikes99ej
09-08-2007, 01:18 AM
Aaron Rodgers > all :)

WMD
09-08-2007, 03:21 AM
http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/070428/070428_calvin_johnson_vlrg_1p.widec.jpg

regoob2
09-08-2007, 09:02 AM
Cubs>all....

bearsfan_51
09-08-2007, 03:28 PM
http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/070428/070428_calvin_johnson_vlrg_1p.widec.jpg
http://content.ytmnd.com/content/a/3/8/a38978b8424d9f699df1b3b77b66e08a.jpg

http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/21/217865.jpg
http://msnbcmedia2.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/061222/061222_lionsprotest_vlg_2p.widec.jpg

It's like shooting fish in a barrel.

awfullyquiet
09-08-2007, 04:53 PM
Cubs>all....

omg. another cubs fan.

i'm so excited.

DHVF
09-08-2007, 05:18 PM
omg. another cubs fan.

i'm so excited.
Someone get bartman over here.

BuckNaked
09-08-2007, 07:10 PM
Someone get bartman over here.

http://www.nndb.com/people/979/000026901/steve-bartman.jpg

awfullyquiet
09-08-2007, 07:10 PM
Someone get bartman over here.

don't be hatin.

f'realz. i don't need any more disappointment from sports teams in my life.

the last good year for me was 1985.

PACKmanN
09-08-2007, 07:16 PM
http://content.ytmnd.com/content/a/3/8/a38978b8424d9f699df1b3b77b66e08a.jpg

http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/21/217865.jpg
http://msnbcmedia2.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/061222/061222_lionsprotest_vlg_2p.widec.jpg

It's like shooting fish in a barrel.

pwned lol :D

WMD
09-08-2007, 10:39 PM
when Calvin Johnson gets a competent Quarterback; he'll dominate the NFL.. especially the NFC North.

Boston
09-08-2007, 10:49 PM
when Calvin Johnson gets a competent Quarterback; he'll dominate the NFL.. especially the NFC North.

Right. Like umm...umm...like...well, you know, the last competant QB that played for the lions.

bearsfan_51
09-08-2007, 10:50 PM
when Calvin Johnson gets a competent Quarterback; he'll dominate the NFL.. especially the NFC North.
http://spartansportsunleashed.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/drewster.jpg

?????????????


By the way, I'm just kidding. I'm sure he'll do very well, I mean cripes they gave the guy 30 million guaranteed, he better.

Scotty D
09-08-2007, 10:59 PM
Remember when the Cardinals with McCown leading them knocked the Vikings out of the playoffs on the last play of the game?

WMD
09-08-2007, 11:05 PM
Ugh, don't bring Drew Stanton into this.. we never should've picked him...

bearsfan_51
09-08-2007, 11:07 PM
Remember when the Cardinals with McCown leading them knocked the Vikings out of the playoffs on the last play of the game?
You meeeeeaaaaaannnn.......

this!?!?!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_wfYAGosi4

awfullyquiet
09-08-2007, 11:12 PM
when Calvin Johnson gets a competent Quarterback; he'll dominate the NFL.. especially the NFC North.

maybe if you had an O-line so kitna wouldn't be sacked once every drop back. that'd be good too.

Boston
09-08-2007, 11:12 PM
You meeeeeaaaaaannnn.......

this!?!?!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_wfYAGosi4

Only one of the biggest moments of my life. Vikings out, Packers in, on one play.

Scotty D
09-08-2007, 11:14 PM
You meeeeeaaaaaannnn.......

this!?!?!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_wfYAGosi4

Ahh yes this. My favorite part is right after the touchdown when the announcer goes "NO".

P-L
09-08-2007, 11:17 PM
Ugh, don't bring Drew Stanton into this.. we never should've picked him...

It figures that the Lions of all teams would draft such a poor decision maker as their QB of the future.

neko4
09-08-2007, 11:17 PM
the only reason i like the cards...
also i think stanton will be the shizz, but they still need an OL

awfullyquiet
09-09-2007, 12:18 AM
It figures that the Lions of all teams would draft such a poor decision maker as their QB of the future.

it's a true reflection of the organization.
or millen.
one of the two.
or both.

BuckNaked
09-09-2007, 12:35 AM
You meeeeeaaaaaannnn.......

this!?!?!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_wfYAGosi4

I hate you guys

DHVF
09-09-2007, 12:51 AM
I hate you guys
seconded...

Vikes99ej
09-09-2007, 12:56 AM
You meeeeeaaaaaannnn.......

this!?!?!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_wfYAGosi4

God, that was such a bad day. I just sat my head in the pillow for like 15 minutes.

yodabear
09-09-2007, 12:56 AM
I laughed for about an hour

GB12
09-09-2007, 12:58 AM
God that was awesome.

Vikes99ej
09-09-2007, 01:00 AM
Oh, and

http://imagesource.art.com/images/-/Freddie-Mitchell---2003-Divisional-Playoffs-4th-and-26-Reception-Photofile-Photograph-C10118171.jpeg

DHVF
09-09-2007, 01:01 AM
i went walking around outside very angrily in the snowy, bitter cold night while wearing a t-shirt and shorts after that play. Just not good.

Crazy_Chris
09-09-2007, 02:16 AM
God that was awesome.

The 2004 Wild Card game in which the Vikings sent the packers back home... :) now that was awesome!

PACKmanN
09-09-2007, 03:44 AM
The 2004 Wild Card game in which the Vikings sent the packers back home... :) now that was awesome!

not as good as us sweeping you guys last year.

PACKmanN
09-09-2007, 03:45 AM
Oh, and

http://imagesource.art.com/images/-/Freddie-Mitchell---2003-Divisional-Playoffs-4th-and-26-Reception-Photofile-Photograph-C10118171.jpeg

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/2001/playoffs/news/2001/01/08/vikings_remember_ap/ don't forget to add that one....

Scotty D
09-09-2007, 10:36 AM
Ah yes wasn't it 4th and 26?

TitleTown088
09-09-2007, 11:36 AM
4th and 26 didn't send a division rival into the playoffs AND knock the Packers out. Plus, the Vikings always choke, so it was more hilarious.

bearsfan_51
09-09-2007, 11:41 AM
Both were equally hilarious. But come on..if you want comedy the Lions take the cake.

BuckNaked
09-09-2007, 12:00 PM
http://thebestsportsblog.com/images/2006/04/Joey.jpg

http://imagesource.allposters.com/IMAGES/PHO/AAFL003.jpg

http://www.itsalreadysigned4u.com/shop/media/images/product_category/roy1.jpg

http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/070428/070428_calvin_johnson_vlrg_1p.widec.jpg

http://www.mlive.com/cgi-bin/prxy/weblog_photos/nph-cache.cgi/cache=3000;/mtlogs/mlive_thebenchwarmer/images/millen.jpg

GB12
09-09-2007, 04:02 PM
Well so far what many people consider "the worst division in football' is 2-0 with the other 2 teams leading.

Scotty D
09-09-2007, 04:08 PM
Well so far what many people consider "the worst division in football' is 2-0 with the other 2 teams leading.

I was just thinking that. Minnesota beat Atlanta but a win is a win.

ny10804
09-09-2007, 06:11 PM
Packer's defense = 2nd best in the NFC...

BuckNaked
09-09-2007, 06:22 PM
Packer's defense = 2nd best in the NFC...

You're not even second in your own division.

GB12
09-09-2007, 06:27 PM
You're not even second in your own division.

Um, yeah we are sorry.

1.Bears
2. Packers
3. Vikings
4. Lions

They all are good though, well except the Lions. We got you at LB, CB, DE. Our DT position is still really good and our safety play is better than last year.

bearsfan_51
09-09-2007, 06:29 PM
It's pretty close. Both look to be very good. I'd still take Minny at this point though.

princefielder28
09-09-2007, 07:22 PM
It's pretty close. Both look to be very good. I'd still take Minny at this point though.

Minnesota played the Joey Harrington led Atlanta Falcons and the Packers shut down the Eagles.........Minnesota lacks a consistent pass rush and Green Bay struggles a bit in pass coverage so it depends on the opponent

mqtirishfan
09-09-2007, 07:34 PM
when Calvin Johnson gets a competent Quarterback; he'll dominate the NFL.. especially the NFC North.

Because the NFC North has awful CBs compared to other divisons....

awfullyquiet
09-09-2007, 07:54 PM
More importantly. GB dropped Philly.

i'm honestly a little in shock.

princefielder28
09-09-2007, 07:57 PM
More importantly. GB dropped Philly.

i'm honestly a little in shock.

we'll never be out of any games b/c at worst our defense will keep us in games

Boston
09-09-2007, 07:58 PM
More importantly. GB dropped Philly.

i'm honestly a little in shock.

I was at that game. The final muffed punt where the officials called it packers ball three times was crazy.

neko4
09-09-2007, 09:05 PM
I was at that game. The final muffed punt where the officials called it packers ball three times was crazy.
any pics?
?

Boston
09-09-2007, 09:08 PM
any pics?
?

No, kind of wish I did, but oh well.

BuckNaked
09-09-2007, 09:23 PM
Minnesota played the Joey Harrington led Atlanta Falcons and the Packers shut down the Eagles.........Minnesota lacks a consistent pass rush and Green Bay struggles a bit in pass coverage so it depends on the opponent

Huh? We had 6 sacks. Kevin Williams brought consant pressure, and Brian Robison got two sacks in the brief time he was playing. Even Udeze got a sack at the end of the game. EJ Henderson also had a great game with 2 sacks. Keep in mind that Erasmus James isn't even back yet.

princefielder28
09-10-2007, 09:08 AM
Huh? We had 6 sacks. Kevin Williams brought consant pressure, and Brian Robison got two sacks in the brief time he was playing. Even Udeze got a sack at the end of the game. EJ Henderson also had a great game with 2 sacks. Keep in mind that Erasmus James isn't even back yet.

They got those sacks but they lack constant pressure from the edge with Udeze and Edwards

TitleTown088
09-10-2007, 10:08 AM
Huh? We had 6 sacks. Kevin Williams brought consant pressure, and Brian Robison got two sacks in the brief time he was playing. Even Udeze got a sack at the end of the game. EJ Henderson also had a great game with 2 sacks. Keep in mind that Erasmus James isn't even back yet.

Minnesota's Pass rush is not suddenly outstanding. They had one good game agianst what could be the worst team in football under a first year coach with freaking Joey Harrington as their QB. . How many combined career sacks do Udeze and James have?Two now? Now, with that said Minny still played a good game and they deserve all the credit but they are not not going to get that kind of performance during any other game this season.

Addict
09-10-2007, 02:11 PM
They got those sacks but they lack constant pressure from the edge with Udeze and Edwards

Udeze is a force of nature, he eclipsed a record for DE's last year!

yo123
09-10-2007, 04:11 PM
I say just **** Udeze, have Edwards start at one end, and rotate Robison and James at the other.

Addict
09-10-2007, 04:22 PM
I say just **** Udeze, have Edwards start at one end, and rotate Robison and James at the other.

I say clone the guy 3 times and have an All-Udeze D-Line.

Vince Lombardi
09-10-2007, 04:33 PM
I approve of this thread.

Vikes99ej
09-10-2007, 04:37 PM
I'm just waiting for someone to say Corey Williams and Ryan Pickett are better than Kevin and Pat Williams. I would completely expect it.

Hawk
09-10-2007, 04:39 PM
Corey Williams and Ryan Pickett are better than Pat and Kevin Williams.

Vince Lombardi
09-10-2007, 04:40 PM
I'm just waiting for someone to say Corey Williams and Ryan Pickett are better than Kevin and Pat Williams. I would completely expect it.

That's ridiculous! Johnny Jolly and Ryan Pickett are better than Kevin and Pat Williams. duh! :rolleyes:

bearsfan_51
09-10-2007, 05:15 PM
Yeah dude you can't forget about Johnny Jolly and Colin Cole, the alliteration DT duo.

ny10804
09-10-2007, 06:36 PM
You also can't forget about Rex Coldplay Grossman and Robbie Gould, the ambiguously *** duo.

DaBears9654
09-11-2007, 12:17 PM
That symbol is backwards, and too few. Packers <<<<<< all.

Scotty D
09-16-2007, 12:42 AM
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/7629/baddayforrexgrossmanwz6.jpg

Crazy_Chris
09-16-2007, 12:57 AM
They don't call em the packers for no reason.... The expression on Rex's face is hilarious

Vince Lombardi
09-23-2007, 10:15 PM
Who knew? Packers actually are > all. http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/images/icons/icon12.gif http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif

Addict
09-24-2007, 09:08 AM
They don't call em the packers for no reason.... The expression on Rex's face is hilarious

he's thinking "when daddy did this to mommy she seemed to enjoy it, so why can't I?!"

Vikes99ej
09-24-2007, 09:09 AM
All > Vikings

Addict
09-24-2007, 09:13 AM
All > Vikings

Hey at least you'll get a high draft pick!

Vikes99ej
09-24-2007, 09:32 AM
Hey at least you'll get a high draft pick!

As long as Childress is coaching we'll be in the basement!

Addict
09-24-2007, 09:35 AM
As long as Childress is coaching we'll be in the basement!

yea I really dislike Childress.

Vikes99ej
09-24-2007, 11:55 AM
yea I really dislike Childress.

You shouldn't. As long as he's our coach you'll be able to beat us.

Nitschke-Hawk
09-24-2007, 06:52 PM
Our DT's are pretty good and maybe have the best depth at the position in the division but not the two best players. I just know we have the best D Ends in the division so booyah.

ny10804
09-24-2007, 08:30 PM
Bears- 11-4
Lions- 8-8
Viks- 7-9
Packers- 2-14

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3693&highlight=north


Some funny stuff.

ny10804
09-24-2007, 08:35 PM
Chicago Bears 12-4
Green Bay Packers 9-7
Minnetonka Vikings 7-9
Detroit Lions 4-12

Coulda been a little more optimistic...

Boston
09-24-2007, 09:02 PM
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3693&highlight=north


Some funny stuff.

News Flash, the Packers aren't very good.

A personal favorite.

neko4
09-24-2007, 09:13 PM
The Packers are the vogue pick. I would agree, had they actually done anything at this point with the bevy of free cap space they had. People are acting as if Favre will carry the team on his back, in his final season. My question, where have these people been for the past couple of years. This isn't the M.V.P, superstar, one of the greats of all time, we all remember from the mid-90s. Al Harris is aging a bit, which isn't good for a man-to-man cover corner who's somehow staved off typical age struggles, he may be due for a fall in performance. They don't have a reliable RB or TE. I am lukewarm about the Packers. I don't think they will take over the division, win one for Favre kind of a deal, like some do.

How many passes has he thrown so far, like 200-300?

Football Fan
09-25-2007, 02:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shiver
The Packers are the vogue pick. I would agree, had they actually done anything at this point with the bevy of free cap space they had. People are acting as if Favre will carry the team on his back, in his final season. My question, where have these people been for the past couple of years. This isn't the M.V.P, superstar, one of the greats of all time, we all remember from the mid-90s. Al Harris is aging a bit, which isn't good for a man-to-man cover corner who's somehow staved off typical age struggles, he may be due for a fall in performance. They don't have a reliable RB or TE. I am lukewarm about the Packers. I don't think they will take over the division, win


This seems much like a lot of the dumb statements that randy moss was washed up, even though he spent 2 years on a talentless team. Clearly moss and favre were washed up.....

Addict
09-25-2007, 03:15 PM
This seems much like a lot of the dumb statements that randy moss was washed up, even though he spent 2 years on a talentless team. Clearly moss and favre were washed up.....

stop trying to make Favre into something more then he is: a nice veteran game manager. He's a superstar because of his merits back in the 90's, not recent years. And that's okay, no need to make him anything more than what he is, he's had his glory days, and now the end is in sight, he's still a respectable quarterback, which is admirable.

Face it, had Favre played like this his entire career he wouldn't have been the shoe-in hall of famer he is now.

Twiddler
09-25-2007, 03:39 PM
stop trying to make Favre into something more then he is: a nice veteran game manager. He's a superstar because of his merits back in the 90's, not recent years. And that's okay, no need to make him anything more than what he is, he's had his glory days, and now the end is in sight, he's still a respectable quarterback, which is admirable.

Face it, had Favre played like this his entire career he wouldn't have been the shoe-in hall of famer he is now.

I see your point and I see where you are coming from, but I think that he is more than a respectable quarterback. To me the best way to put it into words is that he is a quite good but not great QB at this point in his career. But he could be great at this point if we were currently in an offense that required him to make harder throws than he currently is being told to make.

Sportsfan486
09-25-2007, 04:10 PM
stop trying to make Favre into something more then he is: a nice veteran game manager. He's a superstar because of his merits back in the 90's, not recent years. And that's okay, no need to make him anything more than what he is, he's had his glory days, and now the end is in sight, he's still a respectable quarterback, which is admirable.

Face it, had Favre played like this his entire career he wouldn't have been the shoe-in hall of famer he is now.

Yeah, a game manager that just threw for 369 yards and 3 TD. ... Not sure how that makes him a game manager and not a top knotch QB, but mmkay!

Addict
09-25-2007, 06:02 PM
Yeah, a game manager that just threw for 369 yards and 3 TD. ... Not sure how that makes him a game manager and not a top knotch QB, but mmkay!

... yes because I'm not talking about a single game I'm talking last few years, so try reading before you post, mmmkay?

Sportsfan486
09-25-2007, 06:41 PM
... yes because I'm not talking about a single game I'm talking last few years, so try reading before you post, mmmkay?

Trying reading your own posts before making a reply? You said, and I quote, "the end is in sight."

Yet the guy just threw for 369 yards and 3 tds, no picks, high completion percentage against one of the league's top defenses.

Oddly enough that doesn't bring me visions of a QB's demise.

Okay, maybe it was a fluke.. let's see what he did the week before.. oh.. 3 TDs.. 76% completion.. 286 yards.. huh... odd.

Oh, maybe that's HOW we know his end is near! I mean, obviously 2 really good games mean a QB is almost through.

Has he been great the past 2 years? Nah, but he's had bad teams around him. Last year he led a team most had ranked at the bottom of the league to an 8-8 record. This year a team most had as a middle-of-the-road team, POSSIBLE playoff by a few people, to a very strong 3-0 start against playoff teams.

He's not a game manager, he doesn't sit on the sidelines and call plays. He's a QB, and top 5 at the position right now.

GB12
09-25-2007, 06:42 PM
... yes because I'm not talking about a single game I'm talking last few years, so try reading before you post, mmmkay?

Last few years huh? So I take it you're trying to point out his 29 INT year in 2005 when he had his only losing season of his career at 4-12. People seem to love bringing that up. Look at how bad the rest of the team was that year. Ahman Green, Najeh Davenport, Brady Poppinga, Robert Thomas, Javon Walker, Terrence Murphy, Bubba Franks, and Robert Ferguson along with some less important players all went on IR. Adrian Klemm and Will Whittaker were are starting guards, he had 0 time to throw. Samkon ******* Gado was our starting RB, when that happens you're going to have to air it out a lot. We did have Donald Driver at WR, but opposite him was Rod Gardner and Andre Thurman in the slot. Any QB would love to have those guys right? Interceptions are going to happen when you have players with no hands and have no bond with Brett since they joined the team during the season. On Defense we had Nail Diggs and Paris Lenon as outside backers. Ahmad Carroll started opposite Harris and Mike Hawkins was the nickle, Mark Roman started at SS. Obviously you can tell just by looking at those players that we were playing from behind a lot. Being behind, Favre has to thow it up a ton and often try and make something happen even if there's nothing there, which causes interceptions. Despite all that he still managed to throw for almost 4000 yards with a 61% completion rate and 20 TDs. I've heard many times over the offseason that Kitna is the same or better than Favre. Put him on that team and I'll guarentee his numbers don't come close to what Favre did. Go back to the last time he had a good team and he had a great year. I'm not saying he's as good as he was in the 90s because he's not, I'm just sick of people thinking the 2005 season is a legitimate reason to say he sucks.

stop trying to make Favre into something more then he is: a nice veteran game manager.
He's much more than a nice game manager. Trent Dilfer was a nice game manager, Brett's season will blow his out of the water.

Addict
09-25-2007, 06:57 PM
gee, Favre is 37 years old, so yes I agree saying the end of his career is in sight is a completely insane statement, I don't know what I was thinking...

and the past few years (not pointing to any specifics) he hasn't been the Favre of the '90, yes he's done well the past few games, I'm happy for him and the packers (who are, incidentially, totally gonna demolish my Lions when the time comes) but please let's keep perspective here.

The guy is 37 years old and my entire point was this:
- he's close to retirement
- he's not as good as he used to be

so stop jumping all over every little thing someone says, turn of the enraged primate reactions and but yourselves a jar'o'realism in the $1 store.

gbpackers0065
09-25-2007, 07:06 PM
gee, Favre is 37 years old, so yes I agree saying the end of his career is in sight is a completely insane statement, I don't know what I was thinking...

and the past few years (not pointing to any specifics) he hasn't been the Favre of the '90, yes he's done well the past few games, I'm happy for him and the packers (who are, incidentially, totally gonna demolish my Lions when the time comes) but please let's keep perspective here.

The guy is 37 years old and my entire point was this:
- he's close to retirement
- he's not as good as he used to be

so stop jumping all over every little thing someone says, turn of the enraged primate reactions and but yourselves a jar'o'realism in the $1 store.

Here I bought you one too, let's see whats inside:
Favre is a legend, he's putting up all the numbers, he is still a top 5 qb in the league, no analyst will disagree
Welcome to Earth, enjoy your stay

GB12
09-25-2007, 07:10 PM
Here I bought you one too, let's see whats inside:
Favre is a legend, he's putting up all the numbers, he is still a top 5 qb in the league, no analyst will disagree
Welcome to Earth, enjoy your stay
Yeah they will, I do too.
1. Manning
2. Brady
3. Palmer
4. McNabb
5. Bulger

I think you can put him in the second tier, but he is definitely not top 5 now.

Boston
09-25-2007, 08:06 PM
gee, Favre is 37 years old, so yes I agree saying the end of his career is in sight is a completely insane statement, I don't know what I was thinking...

and the past few years (not pointing to any specifics) he hasn't been the Favre of the '90, yes he's done well the past few games, I'm happy for him and the packers (who are, incidentially, totally gonna demolish my Lions when the time comes) but please let's keep perspective here.

The guy is 37 years old and my entire point was this:
- he's close to retirement
- he's not as good as he used to be

so stop jumping all over every little thing someone says, turn of the enraged primate reactions and but yourselves a jar'o'realism in the $1 store.

Wow. That's pretty ground breaking insight there. A 37 year old QB is close to the end of his career and has declined in skill since he dominated the '90's. And, last time I checked, "game-manager" usually refers to QB's that simply hand the ball of to the RB 50% of the time, and throw an occasional pass of more than 5 yards. That's not what Favre's been doing so far this year.

neko4
09-25-2007, 09:09 PM
Yeah they will, I do too.
1. Manning
2. Brady
3. Palmer
4. McNabb
5. Bulger

I think you can put him in the second tier, but he is definitely not top 5 now.
Based on current play I would say Favre is top 5, the only thing working against him is his WR's YAC yardage.

But when it comes to ability Favre is up there in years

Addict
09-26-2007, 12:59 AM
Wow. That's pretty ground breaking insight there. A 37 year old QB is close to the end of his career and has declined in skill since he dominated the '90's. And, last time I checked, "game-manager" usually refers to QB's that simply hand the ball of to the RB 50% of the time, and throw an occasional pass of more than 5 yards. That's not what Favre's been doing so far this year.

read the posts I react on before jumping in, I was reacting to someone who thought I was insane to use the words 'the end is in sight' to discribe where favre stands right now.

Based on current play I would say Favre is top 5, the only thing working against him is his WR's YAC yardage.

But when it comes to ability Favre is up there in years

Based on current play I'd say LT is an average RB.... so your point makes total sense.

VoteLynnSwan
09-26-2007, 01:02 AM
read the posts I react on before jumping in, I was reacting to someone who thought I was insane to use the words 'the end is in sight' to discribe where favre stands right now.



Based on current play I'd say LT is an average RB.... so your point makes total sense.

if not below average...

Football Fan
09-26-2007, 02:05 AM
The original point was that quite a few fools were talkin out of there ass saying randy moss and favre were washed up. Clearly if these people could use there noodle they would have noticed the situation they were in, such as the raiders beeing a terrible team with no qb and the packers also with a major decline in talent over the couple years when favre was having statistically poor seasons. Now those 2 players are not in there prime, but washed up...there still far better than more than half the league at there position. Probably top 5 or 10 in the entire nfl.

Vikes99ej
09-26-2007, 09:06 AM
I would call 369 yards and 3 TDs more than being a game manager.

Twiddler
09-26-2007, 10:07 AM
The original point was that quite a few fools were talkin out of there ass saying randy moss and favre were washed up. Clearly if these people could use there noodle they would have noticed the situation they were in, such as the raiders beeing a terrible team with no qb and the packers also with a major decline in talent over the couple years when favre was having statistically poor seasons. Now those 2 players are not in there prime, but washed up...there still far better than more than half the league at there position. Probably top 5 or 10 in the entire nfl.

I would say that Favre is actually performing better himself too though. While the talent around him was not at its best the past few years, there were many times when I thought that he was not playing that well either no matter how much talent we had around him. It just happens that now our talent is better, our decisions are better, his decisions are better and it seems like he is even putting more into this season than in the past. Essentially, Favre is back in his groove, both in a football sense and motivation sense.

Football Fan
09-26-2007, 12:12 PM
I would say that Favre is actually performing better himself too though. While the talent around him was not at its best the past few years, there were many times when I thought that he was not playing that well either no matter how much talent we had around him. It just happens that now our talent is better, our decisions are better, his decisions are better and it seems like he is even putting more into this season than in the past. Essentially, Favre is back in his groove, both in a football sense and motivation sense.
I respect your opinion and agree to some extent. Still I think it would not be difficult to make the case that it is no coincidence that both favre and moss are performing much better now that the talent around them has dramatically improved. I think favres decisions may be better, but he also does not have a rookie offensive line needing his tight ends/ running backs to block instead of play offense and garbage at receiver that drop a league leading amount of passes. It just helps a quarterback do his job when he is not surounded by incompetence. Ive seen so many plays this year when he actually has had time to throw the ball without scrambling for his life, its really been good to see again. I think favre really gives everything he has to give on a week to week basis though dealing with deaths and cancer involving your wife/parents and siblings (the closest people to you) really has to ware anyone down at some point. No amount of talent can compensate for that and that is what he was dealing with during his down years.

gbpackers0065
09-26-2007, 12:50 PM
Yeah they will, I do too.
1. Manning
2. Brady
3. Palmer
4. McNabb
5. Bulger

I think you can put him in the second tier, but he is definitely not top 5 now.

Bulger is massively overrated, give Favre Holt he'll dominate more than ever.

Vikes99ej
09-26-2007, 12:57 PM
Bulger is massively overrated, give Favre Holt he'll dominate more than ever.

Uhhh... I think I'd put Driver on Holt's level right now.

Driver last year:

2006: 1295 yards, 8 TDs

Holt:

2006: 1188 yards, 10 TDs

3 straight years of 1,200+ yards... Driver is one of the most underrated WRs in the NFL.

gbpackers0065
09-26-2007, 01:03 PM
Uhhh... I think I'd put Driver on Holt's level right now.

Driver last year:

2006: 1295 yards, 8 TDs

Holt:

2006: 1188 yards, 10 TDs

3 straight years of 1,200+ yards... Driver is one of the most underrated WRs in the NFL.

Okay, but where is the Isaac Bruce, the Kevin Curtis(Not anymore but you know), the Shaun McDonald?

Boston
09-26-2007, 04:56 PM
Okay, but where is the Isaac Bruce, the Kevin Curtis(Not anymore but you know), the Shaun McDonald?

Who needs them? I think Favre's proved over and over again that the only thing he needs in a reciever is familiarity. I'd rather have Driver, Jones, Jennings over Holt, McDonald, or Curtis, Bruce, etc. any day of the week.

ny10804
09-26-2007, 08:52 PM
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d802b44b9

Sounds of the game from week 3.

The Bears had by far the weakest pre-game rally, with Lance Briggs yelling "Get it crunk get it crunk" and everyone responding "Oo." The Lions' was OK, can't really tell what they're doing. The Packers' was pretty good, with Barnett basically paraphrasing The 300. The Vikings didn't have one...

The Chargers' was pretty good, too. Kinda like Remember the Titans.

Boston
09-26-2007, 08:56 PM
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d802b44b9

Sounds of the game from week 3.

The Bears had by far the weakest pre-game rally, with Lance Briggs yelling "Get it crunk get it crunk" and everyone responding "Oo." The Lions' was OK, can't really tell what they're doing. The Packers' was pretty good, with Barnett basically paraphrasing The 300. The Vikings didn't have one...

The Chargers' was pretty good, too. Kinda like Remember the Titans.

I love the roar you hear from the crowd when Jennings catches the ball. I can't even imagine how loud that must have been.

GB12
09-26-2007, 08:58 PM
I love the roar you hear from the crowd when Jennings catches the ball. I can't even imagine how loud that must have been.

I can :D :p

The link doesn't work for me though.

someone447
09-30-2007, 07:22 PM
I would say that Favre is actually performing better himself too though. While the talent around him was not at its best the past few years, there were many times when I thought that he was not playing that well either no matter how much talent we had around him. It just happens that now our talent is better, our decisions are better, his decisions are better and it seems like he is even putting more into this season than in the past. Essentially, Favre is back in his groove, both in a football sense and motivation sense.

Could that have something to do with not having anything tragic happen in his life this past offseason. It seemed like anytime something could go wrong for the Favre family, it did go wrong. That had to really wear him down.

Football Fan
10-01-2007, 01:48 PM
Could that have something to do with not having anything tragic happen in his life this past offseason. It seemed like anytime something could go wrong for the Favre family, it did go wrong. That had to really wear him down.
Actually his father in law died a few months ago, he was very close to him from what I heard not to mention the impact of this on his wife and kids. Its unfortunate, but Favre is probably almost getting used to it, sad for him.
Your right he went through a lot of major **** with his family tragedies over the last few years and the drop off in talent during the aparently short rebuilding period certainly effected his play. Still I think twiddler is somewhat right about Favres play this year. His passes seem more acurate and safe. A lot of things are playing into that though such as the things mentioned above plus the things favre himself has said like the fact that the packers have not played from behind by more than 1 score all year(maybe once by 10 points but im not sure). Thanks to the improved defense.

Sportsfan486
10-01-2007, 03:21 PM
Actually his father in law died a few months ago, he was very close to him from what I heard not to mention the impact of this on his wife and kids. Its unfortunate, but Favre is probably almost getting used to it, sad for him.
Your right he went through a lot of major **** with his family tragedies over the last few years and the drop off in talent during the aparently short rebuilding period certainly effected his play. Still I think twiddler is somewhat right about Favres play this year. His passes seem more acurate and safe. A lot of things are playing into that though such as the things mentioned above plus the things favre himself has said like the fact that the packers have not played from behind by more than 1 score all year(maybe once by 10 points but im not sure). Thanks to the improved defense.

We've only been down by a touchdown at the beginning of the Charger's game.. then only down by less than that a couple times, if I remember correctly.

Twiddler
10-01-2007, 04:25 PM
Actually his father in law died a few months ago, he was very close to him from what I heard not to mention the impact of this on his wife and kids. Its unfortunate, but Favre is probably almost getting used to it, sad for him.
Your right he went through a lot of major **** with his family tragedies over the last few years and the drop off in talent during the aparently short rebuilding period certainly effected his play. Still I think twiddler is somewhat right about Favres play this year. His passes seem more acurate and safe. A lot of things are playing into that though such as the things mentioned above plus the things favre himself has said like the fact that the packers have not played from behind by more than 1 score all year(maybe once by 10 points but im not sure). Thanks to the improved defense.

Yeah, he did have the death of his father in law, so I don't think that is the reason for the improved play. One person who deserves credit has to be Mike McCarthy. Think about it, compared to his years under Mike Sherman, McCarthy appears to have much more control over Favre considering he has him playing in such a conservative manner and not throwing the ball all over the place in stupid pass attempts, one thing that Favre can be known for at times. Even Favre said it himself earlier on in the year on how he didn't enjoy having to play like this but he is doing it and I think he is coming around to it considering our record. Then again, just looking at some of the tight throws that Favre has made in the past games is showing that he can make the tough throws but until we can actually establish this thing called a running game we won't be taking too many shots downfield. Hopefully that happens soon though, because I don't know how long we can keep this up and be successful.

Football Fan
10-02-2007, 01:26 AM
Actually I dont mean to imply twiddler was wrong at all, it is certainly correct that favre is playing better theres no doubt about it. He is playing great, his dumb throws have been minimal. I just think way to many people have dismissed the unfavorable circumstances the team and favre were playing under the last couple years(some people simply because they dont like the team or favre). There should be no doubt that having high expectations for favre or the team during that time werent realistic. Still even when favres surrounding talent level was pretty good around 2000-2004, he was not playing as well and controlled as he is now(pretty damn good though). I also doubt Elway could play as well as favre is now with the non-existant running game instead of having the luxury of terrel davis rushing for 2000 yards and opening up the passing game taking the preasure off etc.. Not that I doubt how good elway was(I enjoyed watching horseface play for many years), but those last 2 years he played with davis running the ball seriously contributed to elways legacy. I do think however, that when the pack does fall behind by a couple scores we will see the questionable, if not plain stupid throws again.
Yep, McCarthy deserves plenty of credit for how well the team and favre are playing right now especially without a running game. Sherman looks worse with each game that is played. I think McCarthy has a much better offensive mind and seems to be an overall better coach. Sherman kept his buddy Rosely around way to long, I thought he was a terrible offensive coordinator. McCarthy has the confidence of the team and fans now. I dont think sherman ever really had that. It also helps that McCarthy was favres qb coach. I think those 2 communicate well and believe in each others abilities and knowledge of the game. Thompson also deserves a lot of credit for choosing McCarthy over the 6 or 7 others he interviewed. A lot of people were skeptical including myself.

Boston
10-07-2007, 02:53 AM
What was the date on this? September 9th?

Smokey Joe
10-07-2007, 11:14 PM
what was that? ;)

GB12
10-07-2007, 11:21 PM
what was that? ;)
NFC NORTH
..............W L
Green Bay (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=gnb) 4 1
Detroit (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=det) ....3 2
Chicago (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=chi)....2 3
Minnesota (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=min).1 3

Smokey Joe
10-07-2007, 11:30 PM
NFC NORTH
..............W L
Green Bay (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=gnb) 4 1
Detroit (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=det) ....3 2
Chicago (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=chi)....2 3
Minnesota (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=min).1 3

What's that? All I am seeing right now is 27-20 Bears :)

Boston
10-07-2007, 11:31 PM
What's that? All I am seeing right now is 27-20 Bears :)

What's that? Two games down five games in?

DHVF
10-07-2007, 11:49 PM
What's that? Two games down five games in?
Me smells bitterness after a loss.

Boston
10-08-2007, 07:53 AM
Me smells bitterness after a loss.

Funny, I remember you blaming the refs after your loss...in which we pretty much played the same way as tonight.

TacticaLion
10-08-2007, 01:04 PM
This thread is funny after the Pack's loss to the Bears.

Smokey Joe
10-08-2007, 01:44 PM
What's that? Two games down five games in?
Hey man... we lost to the LIONS! but we beat the Packers! What does that say? :D

TacticaLion
10-08-2007, 01:52 PM
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f67/jenleigh120402/BearsPackOwn.jpg

Sincerely, TL.

Vikes99ej
10-08-2007, 02:17 PM
The only thing I can conclude after last nights game is that the Packers will not go 16-0. Both teams played about equally.

DHVF
10-08-2007, 02:59 PM
Funny, I remember you blaming the refs after your loss...in which we pretty much played the same way as tonight.
Lol, and your point would be? Atleast I admit my bitterness. lol

PackerLegend
10-08-2007, 03:56 PM
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f67/jenleigh120402/BearsPackOwn.jpg

Sincerely, TL.

Chicago didnt do anything, the Packers handed them that game and still almost won after giving up 4 turnovers. The picture should be the Lions and the Redskins because the Lions are who got OWNED.

yo123
10-08-2007, 04:16 PM
Chicago didnt do anything, the Packers handed them that game and still almost won after giving up 4 turnovers. The picture should be the Lions and the Redskins because the Lions are who got OWNED.


Dude, the Packers played awful football. Bad penalties+5 TO's does not equal a "handling" to me.

duckseason
10-08-2007, 04:21 PM
Dude, the Packers played awful football. Bad penalties+5 TO's does not equal a "handling" to me.
He said the Packers "handed" them the game. He is saying they played awful.

yo123
10-08-2007, 04:24 PM
He said the Packers "handed" them the game. He is saying they played awful.



Gotcha, my bad.

bearsfan_51
10-08-2007, 04:40 PM
Chicago didnt do anything, the Packers handed them that game and still almost won after giving up 4 turnovers. The picture should be the Lions and the Redskins because the Lions are who got OWNED.
Three of those turnovers didn't result in points. Obviously turnovers played a big part, but we had 17 points from purely offensive drives (for the record the Packers had the same).

We had two touchdowns drives of 80+ yards. We also absolutely shut down your offense in the second half

5 plays-14 yards
3 plays-5 yards
3 plays- 8 yards
3 plays-5 yards
3 plays- -7 yards
3 plays- -7 yards

Then finally an 8 play 41 yard drive against our prevent defense.

You can chalk it up anyway you want, but in the second half we kicked your ass, and that was enough to win.

Moses
10-08-2007, 04:46 PM
Three of those turnovers didn't result in points. Obviously turnovers played a big part, but we had 17 points from purely offensive drives (for the record the Packers had the same).

We had two touchdowns drives of 80+ yards. We also absolutely shut down your offense in the second half

5 plays-14 yards
3 plays-5 yards
3 plays- 8 yards
3 plays-5 yards
3 plays- -7 yards
3 plays- -7 yards

Then finally an 8 play 41 yard drive against our prevent defense.

You can chalk it up anyway you want, but in the second half we kicked your ass, and that was enough to win.

Packers put up 300+ yards of offence in the first half. That is the best the Packers have played all season on both sides of the ball yet they were only up 10 points because of a few miscues and blown calls. Anyway, this argument is getting repetetive and pointless. Bears won, and are only 2 back of the Packers now.

Boston
10-08-2007, 04:59 PM
Lol, and your point would be? Atleast I admit my bitterness. lol

But, I can't imagine why I'd be bitter. Serving the game up on a silver platter to the division rival pretty much goes past bitterness.

PACKmanN
10-08-2007, 05:01 PM
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f67/jenleigh120402/BearsPackOwn.jpg

Sincerely, TL.

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/3167/77219912pgrg2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Sincerely, PACKmanN

P.S- learn how to spell Chicago next time.

Boston
10-08-2007, 05:02 PM
This thread is funny after the Pack's loss to the Bears.

Though still holds true...

And my god, if Lions fans start proclaiming themselves better than the Packers, I will probably kill somebody.

Smokey Joe
10-08-2007, 05:22 PM
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/3167/77219912pgrg2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Sincerely, PACKmanN

P.S- learn how to spell Chicago next time.
he misspelled chicago?

ny10804
10-08-2007, 05:27 PM
My input on the loss: we should have one. My consolation: we should have lost to the Eagles. Karma caught up with us, and the only thing we can do is play mistake-free against the 'Skins. If we do, we have a really, really good chance of winning.

Dallas' probable win tonight against the Bill and probable loss next week to the Patriots, together with a Packer win, would give us a share of the NFC's top spot.

Bottom line, the loss sucks, but we've gotta move on.

TacticaLion
10-08-2007, 06:03 PM
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/3167/77219912pgrg2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


Sincerely, PACKmanN

P.S- learn how to spell Chicago next time.
The Lions losing to the Redskins isn't nearly as bad as the Pack losing to the Bears. (Keep in mind... many think the Pack are headed to the Super Bowl, while the Lions will be lucky to see 8 wins.)

The Bears of now aren't anywhere near the Bears of last year... and, without a steady QB and a lot of their defensive studs, they beat the 4-0 Packers. I seem to remember many Packers fans thinking this one was in the books... but the Bears pulled it off... on the road (in Lambeau, none the less) with a 1-3 record against a "rejuvenated" Favre.

P.S.- As pointed out, I didn't misspell "Chicago". Good one, though.

P-L
10-08-2007, 06:03 PM
I'm laughing hysterically that Packers fans are resorting to making fun of the lowly Lions. There was discussion of the Packers/Bears game and because of nothing legit to say, they have to resort to bringing Lions into the discussion. Congrats, you guys are better than the Lions. Does that make you guys feel special? You're better than the worst professional sports franchise over the last 50 years, give your team a pat on the back.

I think it's funny that people still make fun of the Lions in general. As a Lions fan I've heard the same **** for the last 15 years that I've been following football, it doesn't bother me anymore as well as a lot of Lions fans. Instead of making fun of the Lions, Packers fans should be embarrassed that they are only 1 game ahead of an awful Lions team. Then again, there are a lot of teams that should be embarrassed.

TacticaLion
10-08-2007, 06:06 PM
Instead of making fun of the Lions, Packers fans should be embarrassed that they are only 1 game ahead of an awful Lions team. Then again, there are a lot of teams that should be embarrassed.Ouch.

And, considering that the Lions (barely) beat the Bears a week prior.

Vikes99ej
10-08-2007, 06:23 PM
I'm laughing hysterically that Packers fans are resorting to making fun of the lowly Lions. There was discussion of the Packers/Bears game and because of nothing legit to say, they have to resort to bringing Lions into the discussion. Congrats, you guys are better than the Lions. Does that make you guys feel special? You're better than the worst professional sports franchise over the last 50 years, give your team a pat on the back.

I think it's funny that people still make fun of the Lions in general. As a Lions fan I've heard the same **** for the last 15 years that I've been following football, it doesn't bother me anymore as well as a lot of Lions fans. Instead of making fun of the Lions, Packers fans should be embarrassed that they are only 1 game ahead of an awful Lions team. Then again, there are a lot of teams that should be embarrassed.

I'm embarassed.

Boston
10-08-2007, 06:24 PM
The Lions losing to the Redskins isn't nearly as bad as the Pack losing to the Bears. (Keep in mind... many think the Pack are headed to the Super Bowl, while the Lions will be lucky to see 8 wins.)

The Bears of now aren't anywhere near the Bears of last year... and, without a steady QB and a lot of their defensive studs, they beat the 4-0 Packers. I seem to remember many Packers fans thinking this one was in the books... but the Bears pulled it off... on the road (in Lambeau, none the less) with a 1-3 record against a "rejuvenated" Favre.

P.S.- As pointed out, I didn't misspell "Chicago". Good one, though.

By many, do you mean nobody? I'm not saying I'm ruling it out, but I haven't seen any predictions in regards to the Super Bowl yet, from anybody.

I really hope that you didn't put " " over rejuvanated because you feel that's a joke. Favre had the Bears number the entire game. The one interception was really his only mistake.

Moses
10-08-2007, 06:34 PM
I'm laughing hysterically that Packers fans are resorting to making fun of the lowly Lions. There was discussion of the Packers/Bears game and because of nothing legit to say, they have to resort to bringing Lions into the discussion. Congrats, you guys are better than the Lions. Does that make you guys feel special? You're better than the worst professional sports franchise over the last 50 years, give your team a pat on the back.

I think it's funny that people still make fun of the Lions in general. As a Lions fan I've heard the same **** for the last 15 years that I've been following football, it doesn't bother me anymore as well as a lot of Lions fans. Instead of making fun of the Lions, Packers fans should be embarrassed that they are only 1 game ahead of an awful Lions team. Then again, there are a lot of teams that should be embarrassed.

We should be embarassed because we support a better franchise than you? Why would we be embarassed? We're 4-1 and one of the top teams in the NFC right now.

neko4
10-08-2007, 06:43 PM
I would like to revisit the Favre picks

The first- Was an illegal forward pass, he was a good yard infront of the LOS.

The second- Peyton Manning wouldve done the same thing in that situation, dont be a jack ass and act like that pick was a stupid decision on his part. there was only time for one left play and it was a hail mary (which i thought JJ or DD caught, but it doesnt matter because its who comes out with it in the pile that counts)

someone447
10-08-2007, 07:46 PM
(which i thought JJ or DD caught, but it doesnt matter because its who comes out with it in the pile that counts)

I thought that too, but on the replay you can clearly see the bear defender coming down with it, he just got higher than driver.

Moses
10-08-2007, 07:47 PM
I thought that too, but on the replay you can clearly see the bear defender coming down with it, he just got higher than driver.

Yup, I thought DD had it at first too. He got his hands on it but he had bad position and the safety grabbed it away.

Vikes99ej
10-08-2007, 07:54 PM
I'lll be happy if we can beat an NFC North opponent once this year. We only have four chances left.

bearsfan_51
10-08-2007, 07:58 PM
I would like to revisit the Favre picks

The first- Was an illegal forward pass, he was a good yard infront of the LOS.
So you're rationalizing that he made an absolutely stupid decision because of a technicality? Basically he cheated and he still made a bad decision. Good argument.

bearsfan_51
10-08-2007, 07:59 PM
I really hope that you didn't put " " over rejuvanated because you feel that's a joke. Favre had the Bears number the entire game.

Except for that whole second half of the game when you didn't move the ball or score any points on offense.

Vikes99ej
10-08-2007, 08:01 PM
Why the Packers lost the game: Bears' second half defense

Moses
10-08-2007, 08:02 PM
Except for that whole second half of the game when you didn't move the ball or score any points on offense.

He wasn't exactly given an abundance of opportunities in the second half...

Play-calling buried the Packers in the second half. The Bears adjusted, the Packers didn't.

Moses
10-08-2007, 08:03 PM
Why the Packers lost the game: Bears' second half defense

Are you kidding? That was a factor, but I think 5 turnovers has a little more to do with it.

Smokey Joe
10-08-2007, 08:03 PM
The first- Was an illegal forward pass, he was a good yard infront of the LOS.


Thats a horrible argument. Even if they threw the flag, the Bears would decline it and still keep the ball. Basically, you're saying that he ****** up because he ****** up before that? Wow.

Moses
10-08-2007, 08:04 PM
Thats a horrible argument. Even if they threw the flag, the Bears would decline it and still keep the ball. Basically, you're saying that he ****** up because he ****** up before that? Wow.

Huh? I don't know much about NFL rules, but that it not how that would work.

If you pass in front of the line of scrimmage, the play is dead. It's not a penalty you can accept or decline.

GB12
10-08-2007, 08:05 PM
Huh? I don't know much about NFL rules, but that it not how that would work.

If you pass in front of the line of scrimmage, the play is dead. It's not a penalty you can accept or decline.

I believe that's right. However he was behind the line.

Smokey Joe
10-08-2007, 08:05 PM
Are you kidding? That was a factor, but I think 5 turnovers has a little more to do with it.
Why do you think there were 5 turnovers? The Bears defense forced them. Tillman stripped Jones twice, thats two FORCED turnovers by the defense. Then Ayanbadejo stripped the ball on the punt return, that was really a job well done by the special teams. But then the first pick was a direct result of pressure and the Bears D FORCING a bad decision which lead to the pick. And the final pick was just a jump ball, happens all the time.

Moses
10-08-2007, 08:09 PM
Why do you think there were 5 turnovers? The Bears defense forced them. Tillman stripped Jones twice, thats two FORCED turnovers by the defense. Then Ayanbadejo stripped the ball on the punt return, that was really a job well done by the special teams. But then the first pick was a direct result of pressure and the Bears D FORCING a bad decision which lead to the pick. And the final pick was just a jump ball, happens all the time.

The defence caused one turnover in the second half that actually mattered (Favre's first INT). That is not why the Bears won the game.

Vikes99ej
10-08-2007, 08:27 PM
I don't think the Packers offense had under 100 yards in the second because they're that bad...

neko4
10-08-2007, 08:38 PM
I don't think the Packers offense had under 100 yards in the second because they're that bad...
No we're not. If anyone noticed there was
A- Stupid penalties
B- Joe Gibbs-like play calling. I felt like we were trying to estabilish the run instead of letting Favre throw the quick passes that we were doing so well. and when did go to the quick passes on 3rd and 15 it didnt work, but instead of running it on 2nd and 1st we shouldve passed making 3rd shorter.

PACKmanN
10-08-2007, 08:57 PM
The Lions losing to the Redskins isn't nearly as bad as the Pack losing to the Bears. (Keep in mind... many think the Pack are headed to the Super Bowl, while the Lions will be lucky to see 8 wins.)

The Bears of now aren't anywhere near the Bears of last year... and, without a steady QB and a lot of their defensive studs, they beat the 4-0 Packers. I seem to remember many Packers fans thinking this one was in the books... but the Bears pulled it off... on the road (in Lambeau, none the less) with a 1-3 record against a "rejuvenated" Favre.

P.S.- As pointed out, I didn't misspell "Chicago". Good one, though.

then learn how to spell owned.

PACKmanN
10-08-2007, 09:01 PM
our team needed a wake up call and thank god it came now then later. The Bears did a nice job in the 2nd half. I'm just bitter because we should have sealed the game.

Boston
10-08-2007, 09:03 PM
I don't think the Packers offense had under 100 yards in the second because they're that bad...

What.......

TacticaLion
10-08-2007, 09:12 PM
then learn how to spell owned.

Are you serious? Wow. Slow much?

Chicago. Owned. ChicagOwned.

Get it?

I hope you're not serious...

Football Fan
10-09-2007, 01:37 AM
Chicago had several key players back that werent available for the lions game and were playing a game there entire season hinged on. They simply werent the same team that played the lions. The pack really dominated the first half, the bears did the second. There really is nothing to be down about for packer fans other than a blown opportunity to nock the division rivals/superbowl team out for good and poor ball security by the pack. It was a good close game versus the nfc champs that the pack came very close to winning. Favre looked great for most of the game with a spectacular completion percentage, but the bears got there elite defense going in the 2nd half and that put an end to the nice stats he was putting up(29/40,322yds/1td,2int) Still not bad overall. I think that game showed great stides by the pack compared to the team they were before there 8 game win streak. Anyone that thought the nfc champs suddenly became chumps were fooling themselves. The chargers arent dead by any means either, they just had major coaching changes to adjust to. All this packer bashing because of 1 loss over 9 games is rediculous. Its really just dumb. Any packer fan should be very happy to have the pack at 4-1 through 5 games. Its much better than I expected, I figured they would be 2-3 at this point in the season. They beat 3 playoff teams from last year (Eagles, Giants, Chargers) and the Vikings on there turf, with 1 loss comming in a very close game against the nfc champs. Not bad at all really.

bearsfan_51
10-09-2007, 01:59 AM
Chicago had several key players back that werent available for the lions game. They simply werent the same team that played the lions. The pack really dominated the first half, the bears did the second. There really is nothing to be down about for packer fans other than a blown opportunity to nock the division rivals/superbowl team out for good and poor ball security by the pack. It was a good close game versus the nfc champs that the pack came very close to winning. Favre looked great for most of the game with a spectacular completion percentage, but the bears got there elite defense going in the 2nd half and that put an end to the nice stats he was putting up(29/40,322yds/1td,2int). I think that game showed great stides by the pack compared to the team they were before there 8 game win streak. Anyone that thought the nfc champs suddenly became chumps were fooling themselves. All this packer bashing because of 1 loss over 9 games is rediculous. Im very happy to have the pack at 4-1 through 5 games. Its much better than I expected, I figured they would be 2-3 at this point in the season. They beat 3 good teams and the vikings on there turf, not bad at all really.

This is the smartest and most dead-on comment I've seen on here in a long time.

Football Fan
10-09-2007, 11:56 AM
This is the smartest and most dead-on comment I've seen on here in a long time.
Thats because a lot of the other posts lately have consisted of meaningless bickering that ignore the real facts. Although it is kind of funny reading some of the trash talking, its just a little annoying when some important factors that should be taken into concideration are being completely left out.

TacticaLion
10-09-2007, 01:05 PM
Chicago had several key players back that werent available for the lions game and were playing a game there entire season hinged on. They simply werent the same team that played the lions.What players didn't play against Detroit that played against the Packers? I know Tillman, but who else?

I think there are a few big differences between the two games. First, I don't think the Lions are that much of a threat to the Bears and I think they expected to win the game. Facing the 4-0 Packers... in Lambeau... and sitting at 1-3 makes it a must-win game. Also, it was Griese's first start (against Detroit), and he didn't look comfortable.

I don't think it was the players on the field, but the importance of the game.

bearsfan_51
10-09-2007, 01:13 PM
What players didn't play against Detroit that played against the Packers? I know Tillman, but who else?
Tillman, Briggs, Archuleta.

Personally I think Tillman would have been the difference, but injuries are part of the game and there's really no way of knowing.

You're definately right about the shift in attitude though. I don't think it's a coincidence that the defense fell apart in the 4th quarter against the Lions. I think they just expected them to quit.

TacticaLion
10-09-2007, 02:35 PM
Tillman, Briggs, Archuleta.

Personally I think Tillman would have been the difference, but injuries are part of the game and there's really no way of knowing.

You're definately right about the shift in attitude though. I don't think it's a coincidence that the defense fell apart in the 4th quarter against the Lions. I think they just expected them to quit.
Yep... agree completely. Most teams expect that, if you hit the 4th and are winning (or it's close) against the Lions, they'll just give it to you. Instead, if we're going to give it to you this year, we start earlier in the game. *sigh*...

And, I had no clue that Briggs played against the Packers.

Green Bay Scat
10-09-2007, 02:40 PM
Yep... agree completely. Most teams expect that, if you hit the 4th and are winning (or it's close) against the Lions, they'll just give it to you. Instead, if we're going to give it to you this year, we start earlier in the game. *sigh*...

And, I had no clue that Briggs played against the Packers.

it said Briggs had 16 solo tackles lol..... and Tillman is one of the best, if not the best, at stripping the ball, that second one on Jones was probably the best ive seen, it was a clean punch. Coachs should show this tape from pop warner to colleges, of how to effectivly strip a ball. We gave the Bears the win, practicly, but good job bears, i look forward to later in the year

Football Fan
10-10-2007, 01:23 AM
yep 16 tackles, Briggs had a very good game.
http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/gamecenter/live/NFL_20071007_CHI@GB

yodabear
06-25-2008, 02:07 AM
PACKERS SUCK!!!! Most of their fans are brain washed whores with hard ons for Brett Favre!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (PF and Boston being a couple of the lone exceptions!)

DHVF
06-25-2008, 02:09 AM
PACKERS SUCK!!!! Most of their fans are brain washed whores with hard ons for Brett Favre!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (PF and Boston being a couple of the lone exceptions!)
Eloquent post. Now please inform us on your views of global warming.

yodabear
06-25-2008, 02:46 AM
Eloquent post. Now please inform us on your views of global warming.

Don't listen to guy that once said he invented the internet and believes in manbearpig.

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