Steelers vs. Browns Gameday Discussion

[BrownsTown]

Discuss this week 1 divisional matchup.

[steelernation77]

After the Steelers embarass the Browns, Cleveland fans litter the field with bottles, put paper bags on their heads, and decide that Brady Quinn must start week two.

So, in the end, it works out better for the Browns because instead of messing around with Frye, they realize now's the time to get started on the future and go with Quinn.

[BrownsTown]

After the Steelers embarass the Browns, Cleveland fans litter the field with bottles, put paper bags on their heads, and decide that Brady Quinn must start week two.

So, in the end, it works out better for the Browns because instead of messing around with Frye, they realize now's the time to get started on the future and go with Quinn.

No wayzorz, Cleveland is gonna win 70-0.

[Charm City Byrdgang]

21-3, Pitt by 18.

[RoyHall#1]

This game will be decided by Ben Roethlisberger IMO. Can he return to the form of his super bowl season? I think the Browns win it.

[Hines]

i think and this is my opinion that willie will smoke u guys again..maybe for 150 some yards..the passing game will be good but not to the status i want to be since i believe the browns have a pretty good secondary..i also dont think that lewis will be any difference in this game and the game will be put in frys hands and he will not come out with the victory..

35-10 steelers

[Freddy G]

Pretty sure it won't be such a blowout. I'll be suprised if Pitt wins by anymore than 10. However, at Hines field when Brady is starting, that could be a different story. I think we will be rather competitive tomorrow.

[Hines]

Pretty sure it won't be such a blowout. I'll be suprised if Pitt wins by anymore than 10. However, at Hines field when Brady is starting, that could be a different story. I think we will be rather competitive tomorrow.

ya you could...but i just dont see it this year..i believe if the browns get dline help and improve the oline better then the nfl better watch out..i just dont see it this year and they will get another top 10 pick..but that is just my opinion

[Freddy G]

When i referred to when Brady is starting at Hines, i meant we will probably get blown out, to clear that up.

[Hines]

When i referred to when Brady is starting at Hines, i meant we will probably get blown out, to clear that up.

ya i know what you meant..im just saying i see this game being a blowout too..

[j05son]

After the Steelers embarass the Browns, Cleveland fans litter the field with bottles, put paper bags on their heads, and decide that Brady Quinn must start week two.

So, in the end, it works out better for the Browns because instead of messing around with Frye, they realize now's the time to get started on the future and go with Quinn.

Nice try, but Cleveland doesn't serve bottles anymore after that little incident...

Also, there are no paper bags. We have been very bad for who knows how long, and we sell out every single game. Cleveland is as loyal as they come.

[keylime_5]

Cleveland shocks world, upset steelers at home. Frye comes up big in a thriller in which Roethlisberger gets sacked 4 times and commits 2 turnovers due to the fact that Bruce Arians has him pass too much on a team who only wins when they run, run, run.

I think that's gonna happen tomorrow. If they run Parker 30 times they'll win, but if they throw the ball 30 times they are gonna beat themselves. Frye played well against PIttsburgh last season, and with a better RB and O-Line he'll play good again. Braylon is gonna come up big.

[Hines]

Cleveland shocks world, upset steelers at home. Frye comes up big in a thriller in which Roethlisberger gets sacked 4 times and commits 2 turnovers due to the fact that Bruce Arians has him pass too much on a team who only wins when they run, run, run.

I think that's gonna happen tomorrow. If they run Parker 30 times they'll win, but if they throw the ball 30 times they are gonna beat themselves. Frye played well against PIttsburgh last season, and with a better RB and O-Line he'll play good again. Braylon is gonna come up big.


then you woke up... lol jk...i dont know man i think we can win a shout out and a clock control game.if willie and ben is on watch out..but braylon will probably drop the game winning touchdown pass again

[Freddy G]

We'll throw it to Kellen this time.

[terribletowel39]

yea i don't see it happening. regardless of the O Cord you are playing the steelers. we are going to run. willie parker gets atleast 150 possibly breaks 200 again, more than likely 160 area. but it will happen. and watch out for carey davis. he has been named the starting FB this year and he will be able to actually keep up with willie when running on the outside. i predict 24-10. although the browns do show signs of becoming better with the game.

[Freddy G]

Yeah, mark it down, the steelers will never have the lead in this game.

[Man_Of_Steel]

Pitt will dominate on both sides of the ball and Holmes will have a field day. Question is Bodden playing.

[BigDawg819]

Go who else is rooting for a tie game? :D

[terribletowel39]

YAY!!! good luck biiznnitches!! HERE WE GO STEELERS HERE WE GO!!!

[BrownsTown]

Pitt will dominate on both sides of the ball and Holmes will have a field day. Question is Bodden playing.
Bodden is playing.

Holmes will have a field day? He's matched up on Eric Wright, so doubt it.

Big injury in what will probably be a defensive game - Browns punter Dave Zastudil is out.

[Man_Of_Steel]

Bodden is playing.

Holmes will have a field day? He's matched up on Eric Wright, so doubt it.

Big injury in what will probably be a defensive game - Browns punter Dave Zastudil is out.

Holmes will turn Wright inside out.

[BrownsTown]

Holmes will turn Wright inside out.

You obviously haven't seen Wright play.

[Hines]

Steelers Inactives


15 WR Willie Reid

21 CB Ricardo Colclough

33 RB Gary Russell

54 LB Marquis Cooper

72 C Darnell Stapleton

79 OT Trai Essex

97 LB Arnold Harrison

2 QB Brian St. Pierre (3rd QB)

[BrownsTown]

Who's your return man if Reid's inactive?

[Hines]

Who's your return man if Reid's inactive?

allen rossum

[BrownsTown]

By the way, Browns inactives:

Dave Zastudil, Gary Baxter, Travis Wilson, Charles Ali, Isaac Sowells, Kelly Butler, and a surprise: Brady Quinn.

[Hines]

By the way, Browns inactives:

Dave Zastudil, Gary Baxter, Travis Wilson, Charles Ali, Isaac Sowells, Kelly Butler, and a surprise: Brady Quinn.

i really like wilson..hope he can take joes spot in a year or so

[Hines]

aaron smith baby

[Smooth Criminal]

I'm in the stadium right now only 45 until gametime. With how rowdy this crowd is gonna be the steelers need to jump out to a quick start. There are alot of steelers fans here aswell.

[Hines]

where can i go to listen to the game

fox 970 is being *** right now

so is game center

[mikehop05]

how we lookin? im following it on gamecast but that really only gives stats

[BrownsTown]

Charlie Frye needs to stop holding on to the ball so long. It's really sad.

[Hines]

where was eric wright on that play huh

[mikehop05]

where was eric wright on that play huh

tell me what happened!!!!!!!

the damn skins game is being showed in CP, it sucks

[Hines]

tell me what happened!!!!!!!

the damn skins game is being showed in CP, it sucks

im following it on gamecenter

all i know is that mcfadden recoverd a fumble and next play ben to santonio for 40 for the score

[D-Unit]

Yeah, mark it down, the steelers will never have the lead in this game.
Good call. Except nothing you ever say will mean anything now.

If this is a reflection on the season, Dallas will have the #1 pick! Yeah baby!

[BrownsTown]

where was eric wright on that play huh

Not covering Holmes. Brodney Pool was on him.

Charlie Frye is doing absolutely horrible. He's getting a decent amount of time, he needs to throw the damn ball.

[BrownsTown]

I was about to say Derek Anderson wasn't sucking...nevermind.

[Hines]

6 sacks in the first half

i can say at least 10
wow

[BrownsTown]

6 sacks in the first half

i can say at least 10
wow

5 because Frye doesn't know when people are coming at you, it's good not to have the ball and 1 because Derek Anderson doesn't know how to read blitz.

[Hines]

Cleveland shocks world, upset steelers at home. Frye comes up big in a thriller in which Roethlisberger gets sacked 4 times and commits 2 turnovers due to the fact that Bruce Arians has him pass too much on a team who only wins when they run, run, run.

I think that's gonna happen tomorrow. If they run Parker 30 times they'll win, but if they throw the ball 30 times they are gonna beat themselves. Frye played well against PIttsburgh last season, and with a better RB and O-Line he'll play good again. Braylon is gonna come up big.

Yeah, mark it down, the steelers will never have the lead in this game.

Pretty sure it won't be such a blowout. I'll be suprised if Pitt wins by anymore than 10. However, at Hines field when Brady is starting, that could be a different story. I think we will be rather competitive tomorrow.



hahahahahahahaha

[joercky]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAA. Browns-7 Steelers-34. Big Ben 4 TDs. Frye benched Anderson in. Hope you like musical chairs 'cause thats the game 'yall are going to be doing with all your QB's all year. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAA.
BTW THE BROWNS SUCK LOL.

[BuckNaked]

You make me want to castrate you.

[BrownsTown]

Wow, what an asshole. I hope he realizes that musical chairs is only gonna last until, say, week 3 when they put Quinn in.

[Hines]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAA. Browns-7 Steelers-34. Big Ben 4 TDs. Frye benched Anderson in. Hope you like musical chairs 'cause thats the game 'yall are going to be doing with all your QB's all year. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAA.
BTW THE BROWNS SUCK LOL.

no need to go there man

[joercky]

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Cleveland shocks world, upset steelers at home. Frye comes up big in a thriller in which Roethlisberger gets sacked 4 times and commits 2 turnovers due to the fact that Bruce Arians has him pass too much on a team who only wins when they run, run, run.

I think that's gonna happen tomorrow. If they run Parker 30 times they'll win, but if they throw the ball 30 times they are gonna beat themselves. Frye played well against PIttsburgh last season, and with a better RB and O-Line he'll play good again. Braylon is gonna come up big.
__________________ This is plain just plain stupid plus I want to enjoy mocking yall now because in 20 years yall might have a decent team of course by then they'll have moved to Baltimore.

[BrownsTown]

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Cleveland shocks world, upset steelers at home. Frye comes up big in a thriller in which Roethlisberger gets sacked 4 times and commits 2 turnovers due to the fact that Bruce Arians has him pass too much on a team who only wins when they run, run, run.

I think that's gonna happen tomorrow. If they run Parker 30 times they'll win, but if they throw the ball 30 times they are gonna beat themselves. Frye played well against PIttsburgh last season, and with a better RB and O-Line he'll play good again. Braylon is gonna come up big.
__________________ This is plain just plain stupid plus I want to enjoy mocking yall now because in 20 years yall might have a decent team of course by then they'll have moved to Baltimore.

Dude, you're why they didn't want division forums. We get it, we were wrong. No need to be such an asshole about it.

[joercky]

Dude, you're why they didn't want division forums. We get it, we were wrong. No need to be such an asshole about it.

LMAO.

[BrownsTown]

Dude, you're why they didn't want division forums. We get it, we were wrong. No need to be such an asshole about it.

LMAO.

LMAO, he doesn't realize he's acting like a 2 year old, LMAO LOL WTF BBQ.

[joercky]

Does it really matter I'm just having fun lighten up. Your going to need to with the team you got and the strength of your schedule.

[BigDawg819]

I do hope this game will stop all the Browns' posters from running their mouths....

[BrownsTown]

I do hope this game will stop all the Browns' posters from running their mouths....

I think they'll finish 5-11 instead of 6-10 now if that means anything.

[BigDawg819]

I think they'll finish 5-11 instead of 6-10 now if that means anything.

We've been thru this, Jamal is a joke at running back and even if he could be any good you'll be trailing to much in every game to use him effectively, the offensive line is in shambles, you have no real receiving threats outside of Winslow and even he was dropping passes, the QB carousel will continue for most of the year, and the defense will be forced to play way to much to be decent. Face it, you traded a top 5 pick for Quinn and its not making you a better team.

[BrownsTown]

We've been thru this, Jamal is a joke at running back and even if he could be any good you'll be trailing to much in every game to use him effectively, the offensive line is in shambles, you have no real receiving threats outside of Winslow and even he was dropping passes, the QB carousel will continue for most of the year, and the defense will be forced to play way to much to be decent. Face it, you traded a top 5 pick for Quinn and its not making you a better team.

Well, look at it this way...they'd certainly use that pick on a QB, and I'm not sure any of them are better than Quinn.

[BigDawg819]

Well, look at it this way...they'd certainly use that pick on a QB, and I'm not sure any of them are better than Quinn.

I think Brohm might be better.

[BrownsTown]

I think Brohm might be better.

Possibly, but even a top 5 pick wouldn't guarantee him.

[PalmerToCJ]

I hope those Browns fans (don't remember which ones exactly so I'm not calling anyone in this thread out) that thought Jamal was a good pickup realize how washed up he is. This is a normal Jamal Lewis game.

[BrownsTown]

I hope those Browns fans (don't remember which ones exactly so I'm not calling anyone in this thread out) that thought Jamal was a good pickup realize how washed up he is. This is a normal Jamal Lewis game.

I believe I remember saying Jamal Lewis was the antichrist or something to that effect.

[WinslowBodden]

GG guys you literally raped us, if there was a definition of rape, that was it...

You guys look good and took advantage of our terrible play, good luck the rest of the year.

[Freddy G]

Well, damn, here for the first time i try to have confidence (even cockiness) in the Browns and it back fires completely. Possitive thinking sucks, it makes you feel even worse.

Anyway, Charlie is gun shy and has lost all of his confidence. The line actually protected well for the most part, but after he quadruple clutches, dances to the right, and runs into the waiting defenders he doesn't have anytime to throw the ball.

[Man_Of_Steel]

Pitt will dominate on both sides of the ball and Holmes will have a field day.



Holmes will have a field day? He's matched up on Eric Wright, so doubt it.



Funny how that worked out. Hey, at least you were optimistic.

[BigDawg819]

Funny how that worked out. Hey, at least you were optimistic.

Don't confuse optimism with lunacy....... :D

[Freddy G]

Good call. Except nothing you ever say will mean anything now.

If this is a reflection on the season, Dallas will have the #1 pick! Yeah baby!


Hey, thanks for the boost of confidence, ass.

Do you actually think i am ignorant enough to think the Browns would dominate and obviously superior Steelers team? Ever heard of supporting you team? Especially against your biggest rival, i'll be damned if i am just going to bend over and not even try to be a loyal fan. Its our rival, i'll talk smack as i please.

[BrownsTown]

Funny how that worked out. Hey, at least you were optimistic.

Holmes had like one big play and he wasn't matched up on Eric Wright for that play...worked out okay I guess.

[BigDawg819]

Holmes had like one big play and he wasn't matched up on Eric Wright for that play...worked out okay I guess.

Except Santonio was matched on Sean Jones, no wonder he hasn't been to the Pro Bowl........... :rolleyes:

[Freddy G]

Um, pretty sure that was Brodney Pool actually. Wright played about as well as you could expect for a rookie. Pool played like a rookie as well.

[RoyHall#1]

Except Santonio was matched on Sean Jones, no wonder he hasn't been to the Pro Bowl........... :rolleyes:

Yeah, Sean Jones would not let that happen. That play is on Pool.

Anyways, reasons for optimism:

Our defense played very well in the 1st half (the exception being^^^) and decent for the whole game. Willie didn't run all over us, I was surprised when they said he got to the 100 yd mark. Ben just had a great game.

I think Charlie Frye has gotten all the looks he needs. He should not see the field again. Obviously he hasn't worked on not staring down recievers, and he still thinks he can run like Michael Vick. Watching Frye was more disgusting than watching *** porn.

There, I got 2 positive things out of the game. Beat that.

[BrownsTown]

Except Santonio was matched on Sean Jones, no wonder he hasn't been to the Pro Bowl........... :rolleyes:

Brodney Pool actually.

[Smooth Criminal]

the play holmes made was on Poole. And it was just a great throw.

No mention of joe thomas in here. Was I the only one who thought he did a pretty bad job?

Steelers looked pretty good on most parts. Running game looked good with davenport and parker. I was disappinted in the lack of Carey Davis. Ben had a great day and his stars should be even better if it wasn't for sevral drops.

Great way to start 1-0.

[Freddy G]

His stats would have been better if the steelers wouldn't have constinantly only had <50 yards to drive every series.

[Ravens1991]

I believe I remember saying Jamal Lewis was the antichrist or something to that effect.

I remember KeyLime said he could see Jamal getting 1300 this year.

[Freddy G]

I see Jamal going for at least 1000 if commit to him, doubt he gets anything over 1200 though.

[EdReedUnstoppable]

I love that Browns fans think Brady Quinn is some football God and he is gonna save the franchise.

[BrownsTown]

the play holmes made was on Poole. And it was just a great throw.

No mention of joe thomas in here. Was I the only one who thought he did a pretty bad job?

Steelers looked pretty good on most parts. Running game looked good with davenport and parker. I was disappinted in the lack of Carey Davis. Ben had a great day and his stars should be even better if it wasn't for sevral drops.

Great way to start 1-0.

Thomas actually looked pretty good.

And ERU, I think he is because he just looks like plain the best QB on the roster already...and he's going to get better, he's still learning the playbook.

[EdReedUnstoppable]

Thomas actually looked pretty good.

And ERU, I think he is because he just looks like plain the best QB on the roster already...and he's going to get better, he's still learning the playbook.


Well I hope your right because I feel bad for Cleveland you almost got treated as bad as Baltimore, when our team was stolen, so Im some what sympathetic. BUT its not like its hard to be the best QB on that roster.

[BrownsTown]

Well I hope your right because I feel bad for Cleveland you almost got treated as bad as Baltimore, when our team was stolen, so Im some what sympathetic. BUT its not like its hard to be the best QB on that roster.

Very true. But it's still something this early in his career.

[Mr. Stiller]

Thomas gave up 3 of the 6 sacks.

Haggans, Harrison and I believe Clark(Fumble)

[PalmerToCJ]

Were is the Browns poster that has them pegged at 8-8 this year lol.

[WinslowBodden]

I love that Browns fans think Brady Quinn is some football God and he is gonna save the franchise.

If you had Anderson/Frye you would too.

[BrownsTown]

Thomas gave up 3 of the 6 sacks.

Haggans, Harrison and I believe Clark(Fumble)

You really expect Thomas to block 2 or 3 guys? When they're blitzing 7...and only 5 are protecting, you get the ball out quick or it's a sack.

[steelernation77]

Thomas gave up 3 of the 6 sacks.

Haggans, Harrison and I believe Clark(Fumble)

I'm pretty sure Farrior pushed him right back in to the quarterback and got the sack.

[j05son]

I'm pretty sure Farrior pushed him right back in to the quarterback and got the sack.


Wrong side. Farrior would be attacking the right side of the offensive line. It was against Shaffer.

The offensive line played very well. 6 sacks, but you can't hold all of those against them when Charlie Frye has no idea how to throw the ball away, and can't see a blitz cause he's staring at his receivers ass the entire time. Frye would hike the ball with his head tilted left watching a receiver right out of the gate. He is absolutely horrid.

The running game you can't blame on the line either. With the play of our QB's I'm sure Pitt had 8 or even 9 in the box. Pitt could've played puntblock and Frye would still take a sack.

Play from our QB's, a loss in the Field Position battle, a loss in the turnover battle, and penalties is what made the game so out of hand.

Good luck Pitt, you kicked our ass and deserved that win. Knoll and Cowher couldn't beat Cleveland in Cleveland in their first attempt; Tomlin did. Very nice.

[RoyHall#1]

Were is the Browns poster that has them pegged at 8-8 this year lol.

Marshall Faulk's not a Brown's fan. Btw, we're kicking your ass next week.

[Freddy G]

No that's Joe Montainya...and i think he deleted that from his sig...lol
Yeah, Faulk also said it.

I hold to 7-9 though....***positive thoughts, positive thoughts, positive thoughts***

[j05son]

http://www.tribunechronicle.com/sports/articles.asp?articleID=22366

Mostly Browns notes:

* FEELING BETTER: Browns cornerback Leigh Bodden was glad to get out on the field after a rocky week. Bodden was charged with resisting arrest and using abusive language towards a police officer last Wednesday when he was stopped for driving the wrong way at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport.

“It was therapeutic to come out here and get everything off the field away from my mind,” he said. “When I’m on the field, nothing is on my mind except football.”

* INJURY REPORT: Browns cornerback Daven Holly was injured on a late hit by Ward in the second half. Holly suffered a concussion and didn’t return.

* WELL DESERVED: The Browns honored Gene Hickerson at halftime. Hickerson, who played 16 seasons with the Browns, was inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame this year.

* A FIRST: Browns fullback Lawrence Vickers caught a 1-yard touchdown pass from Derek Anderson in the third quarter. It was the first career touchdown reception for Vickers, a fifth-round draft choice last year.

* CAREER BEST: Roethlisberger set a career high with four touchdown passes. This is Roethlisberger’s fourth NFL season.

* STRETCHING IT OUT: Winslow had a team-record 89 receptions last season but for just 875 yards. Winslow had four receptions for 83 yards Sunday, which averages out to 20.8 yards a reception.

* BOUND TO HAPPEN: With fans wanting to see rookie quarterback Brady Quinn, the inevitable “Brady, Brady” chants began at the 9:51 mark of the second quarter. Quinn was listed as the third quarterback, which meant he was on the eight-player inactive list.

* SLOW START: The Browns were hoping that running back Jamal Lewis would energize the ground game, but he was held in check. He finished with 35 yards on 11 carries. He also lost a fumble that led to a Steelers’ touchdown.

“We had a good game plan coming in, but we fell behind early,” Lewis said.

* SPOT IT: With punter Dave Zastudil out with a bad back, the Browns needed to find a holder for placement kicks. Paul Ernster, who was signed Saturday to replace Zastudil as the punter, was the holder.

* INACTIVES: Out for the Browns were Zastudil; defensive back Gary Baxter; fullback Charles Ali; linebacker Willie McGinest; offensive linemen Isaac Sowells and Kelly Butler; receiver Travis Wilson and Quinn.

The Steelers sidelined receiver Willie Reid; cornerback Ricardo Colclough; running back Gary Russell; linebacker Marquis Cooper; offensive linemen Darnell Stapleton and Trai Essex; linebacker Arnold Harrison and quarterback Brian St. Pierre.

[PalmerToCJ]

Marshall Faulk's not a Brown's fan. Btw, we're kicking your ass next week.

BRING IT!

After you figure out who your QB will be I'll decide out margin of victory :D

And I figured it was Montainya but since it was gone I wasn't sure. Talk about a weak guarantee.

[Mr. Stiller]

Wrong side. Farrior would be attacking the right side of the offensive line. It was against Shaffer.


Wrong again.

From Craig Wolfley of SCI:

"The scouting report on Thomas was that he set soft. The report was correct. After punching Clark down to the inside Thomas got a high velocity "lap dance" from Farrior as James ran into, on top of, and over Thomas on his way to a second quarter sack."

Haggans and Farrior came from the Left side of the offense. Thomas Pushed Haggans into the LG, disengaged and got walloped by Farrior.

The Clark fumble was a blitz, but Thomas barely picked anyone up. Both DeShea and Clark got through.

Personally the best sack was IMO, when Kevin Shaffer didn't use his hands to protect his body and Aaron Smith just chest slammed him and ran over him.



I do like the "Fat Nickel" as DL Coach John Mitchell coined it.

Keisel, Hokie, Big Snack and Aaron Smith.

[terribletowel39]

yea with the steelers D you can never say someone will attack from one side every play. every LBer moves constantly and could come from any direction on any given play. (which translates to...we are too good)

[steelernation77]

Wrong again.

From Craig Wolfley of SCI:

"The scouting report on Thomas was that he set soft. The report was correct. After punching Clark down to the inside Thomas got a high velocity "lap dance" from Farrior as James ran into, on top of, and over Thomas on his way to a second quarter sack."

Haggans and Farrior came from the Left side of the offense. Thomas Pushed Haggans into the LG, disengaged and got walloped by Farrior.

The Clark fumble was a blitz, but Thomas barely picked anyone up. Both DeShea and Clark got through.

Personally the best sack was IMO, when Kevin Shaffer didn't use his hands to protect his body and Aaron Smith just chest slammed him and ran over him.



I do like the "Fat Nickel" as DL Coach John Mitchell coined it.

Keisel, Hokie, Big Snack and Aaron Smith.

I knew it was Farrior. I remember at exclaiming how he strong he must be to bull rush Thomas the way he did.

[Smooth Criminal]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Frye was beaten so badly the Browns traded his ass.

Wasn't it just last offseason that the Browns fans said they were going to have a great team soon with Frye as their franchise Qb?

[BrownsTown]

Stiller: I was watching the game. At least two of the sacks came on heavy blitzes.

[Mr. Stiller]

Stiller: I was watching the game. At least two of the sacks came on heavy blitzes.

I know,

Like I said, 3 Came from his side. He either blew a blocking assignment or lost 1-on-1.

James Harrison ran around him, Chris Hoke blew up the middle of the OL tripped up the QB and his backside pursuit Harrison sacked the QB(I believe he also bulldozed Jamal Lewis). Harrison was Thomas' man.

Thats 1.

Haggans and Farrior blitzed his side. He pushed Haggans to Steinbach and went 1-on-1 with Farrior and Farrior ran him over. He was 1-on-1 wiht a LB and lost. It was a blitz setup, but he lost in single blocking to Farrior after he pushed Haggans to Steinbach.

Thats 2.

He completely missed both Ryan Clark AND DeShea Townsend. He picked up DeShea slightly, but so did Steinbach. Keisel dropped in coverage, Thomas & Steinbach double teamed a CB. Clark ran free (He was Thomas' Man), and caused the fumble/sack.

Thats 3.


Aaron Smith Ran over Shaffer.

Thats 4.

Ike Taylor ran around Shaffer and past Lewis

Thats 5.

Haggans Ragdolled Shaffer.

Thats 6.


3 of those sacks Thomas didn't catch his man.. Farrior, Harrison and Clark were his guys to block. and If not, that is just horrible OL coaching.

[BrownsTown]

On the Clark one, it seems to me if he was moving inside to help protect there, that's a problem in the play call/blocking assignments, which is only partly Thomas' fault. They probably didn't anticipate Keisel dropping back. And it was absolutely stupid for Anderson to not audible.

The Harrison one, I swear to god that was from the other side, I may not remember right. Even if I don't remember correctly, how do you know Harrison was his man? Entirely possible they wanted him to get Keisel and double Hampton, or double Keisel. Again, unanticipated blitzes...that's at least partly the problem of Frye for not recognizing the blitz.

[terribletowel39]

because even if they wanted them to double hampton or double kiesel. any lineman with half a brain and with eye sight could see "Silverback" blitzing and turn and pick him up. leave the guy to not get doubled and protect your QB.

and plus elite LT's block the whole line at once. why wasn't he doing that??!!

p.s. i love you though, keep up the good running for vegas.

[Mr. Stiller]

On the Clark one, it seems to me if he was moving inside to help protect there, that's a problem in the play call/blocking assignments, which is only partly Thomas' fault. They probably didn't anticipate Keisel dropping back. And it was absolutely stupid for Anderson to not audible.

The Harrison one, I swear to god that was from the other side, I may not remember right. Even if I don't remember correctly, how do you know Harrison was his man? Entirely possible they wanted him to get Keisel and double Hampton, or double Keisel. Again, unanticipated blitzes...that's at least partly the problem of Frye for not recognizing the blitz.

If Keisel is dropping in coverage... why is Thomas trying to block him in pass pro, with another guy coming off the edge.

No Ike, Smith and Haggans Sacks were from the Right.. Harrison, Clark and Farrior were from the left.

[WinslowBodden]

Stiller I don't disagree with you much, but you have to put some of those sacks on Frye, he clearly held onto the ball too long a few times, one time he ran into a guy Thomas was blocking, his fault.

You can't block forever, but yeah Thomas probably isn't going to look good his first NFL game against your D, you guys have a great mixture of strength and speed.

[Freddy G]

Its up to the QB and C to adjust the protection, Joe blocked his assingment...except not very well on the Farrior/Haggans fiasco.

Ryan Clark was Jason Wright's, Thomas was on D'Shea, Steinbach should have gone to the NT or whoever was in on that play...just bad communication.

I don't have an opinion on the Harrison play, i'm not sure i saw that one. If it was Joe's fault, oh well, i'm sure it won't hurt his future.

[Mr. Stiller]

Stiller I don't disagree with you much, but you have to put some of those sacks on Frye, he clearly held onto the ball too long a few times, one time he ran into a guy Thomas was blocking, his fault.

You can't block forever, but yeah Thomas probably isn't going to look good his first NFL game against your D, you guys have a great mixture of strength and speed.

4/5 sacks are on Frye, but then again, Those 4 sacks Frye wasn't given much time (Especially on the Clark, Farrior and Smith Sacks).

Not to mention he was trying to get outside the tackle to throw the ball away on the Harrison sack.

[Freddy G]

The Clark sack was happened to Anderson, the only one we gave when Anderson was in the game. Which is evidence that those 5 sacks on Charlie are not the OL fault.

Charlie had plenty of time to throw, i remember having enough time to stand up, jump and scream "Throw the damn ball." That's at least 3-4 seconds plus what he already had. lol

But yeah, it doesn't matter, we stunk up the place, and what i am most pissed about is the lack of passion and intensity our team had.

[terribletowel39]

okay i think we are close enough to game day to start this back up. lets here what you browns fans have to say now.

[Freddy G]

Officially, Joe Thomas has not given up a sack, or at least that is what Chris Mortensen and John Clayton have said. So yeah, Mrs Stiller, you were wrong. But lets not dwell on the past.

Should be a decent ball game and we should be in it if we can manage to make it a shootout.

[mikehop05]

browns offense does scare me a little..

never thought id say that... but i see us running a nickel against you guys like we did against the bengals and limiting you all to about 7 - 17 points

but if we dont really stay in the nickle in first / 2nd downs and we cant get pressure you all really may put up 24pts +

[Smooth Criminal]

They had a Browns announcer on Mark Maddens show in Pittsburgh today and he said that Thomas hasn't given up a sack since the opening game.

Either way, he and the O-line are doing great. Anderson has this offense ready to go for the rematch and it should be a good game. I'm thinking the Steelers win something along the lines of 31-17. Browns defense can't stop the Steelers and I think the Steelers defense will be able to keep the Browns from getting out of control.

[EdReedUnstoppable]

GO BROWNS!!!

:)

[terribletowel39]

i agree with whats being said, i think there offense is good. its looking real good, the O-Line is looking good, the combo of Edwards and Winslow is catching balls and white Shaq is throwing the ball well. but regardless they still aren't on the level where they can do enough against a good steelers defense. and i think our offense is just as good if not better than theres and i know the Brownies defense can't stop a little league team. i like the scores going up. i think we put up another 35-17 or 21.

[BrownsTown]

This'll be a helluva lot closer, I'll tell you that. I'm seeing a high scoring game.

[EdReedUnstoppable]

I say 51-45 Browns!!!! j/k

In all honesty I think it'll be 27-17 Steelers.

[Scotty D]

Go Browns! Get that Dallas pick higher!

[Freddy G]

Hmmmm, i say it will take 30+ to win. My prediction will come later.

[Man_Of_Steel]

Ill say 34-10 Steelers. Anderson will be dizzy by games end.

[BrownsTown]

Ill say 34-10 Steelers. Anderson will be dizzy by games end.

Why's that? I mean, a good at worst offensive line and a QB who can get the ball away really really quick does not = a bad passing game.

[Freddy G]

I don't expect Anderson getting hit all that often.....if NE and Seattle couldn't get to him, neither is Pitt. However, i still see him giving you guys a couple easy picks, that's just how he rolls.

[Smooth Criminal]

I'm expecting so see alot more of Tomlin's cover 2 in this one. I think we give Anderson time and make him beat us by making passes. He has shown he has a good qucik release and doesn't have a problem throwing under pressure so I'd rather see us use enough guys to cover Edwards, Winslow and Jurevicious and only rush 4-5 guys.

As long as Harrison is one of those 4-5 we'll get there anyway.

[Man_Of_Steel]

I'm expecting so see alot more of Tomlin's cover 2 in this one. I think we give Anderson time and make him beat us by making passes. He has shown he has a good qucik release and doesn't have a problem throwing under pressure so I'd rather see us use enough guys to cover Edwards, Winslow and Jurevicious and only rush 4-5 guys.

As long as Harrison is one of those 4-5 we'll get there anyway.

Complete opposite. Were gonna be sendin the house and blitzin all day.

[WinslowBodden]

I say 51-45 Browns!!!! j/k

In all honesty I think it'll be 27-17 Steelers.

Ive been picking 38-21 or 28-24 somewhere in that area the steelers win.

[terribletowel39]

I don't expect Anderson getting hit all that often.....if NE and Seattle couldn't get to him, neither is Pitt. However, i still see him giving you guys a couple easy picks, that's just how he rolls.
i want to know why you included Seattle in the same sentence and thought as NE and Pitts pass rush?? we will actually get to him atleast 2 times and rush him a couple of more.
I'm expecting so see alot more of Tomlin's cover 2 in this one. I think we give Anderson time and make him beat us by making passes. He has shown he has a good qucik release and doesn't have a problem throwing under pressure so I'd rather see us use enough guys to cover Edwards, Winslow and Jurevicious and only rush 4-5 guys.

As long as Harrison is one of those 4-5 we'll get there anyway.
i agree with you here. i think we drop more into coverage, even though i have faith that Taylor can cover Edwards one on one 80% of the time. he has been pretty lock down. most years everyone knows you can't run on us but you can throw but this year that is still the case but we are leading the league in pass defense. Taylor is playing great in my opinion. should be a good game but i think we just rush 4-5 like you said with the occasional 6-7.

i'm just looking forward to a Anthony Smith hit. lets see how soldier the soldier is.

[BigDawg819]

I'm rooting for a tie.

[Freddy G]

i want to know why you included Seattle in the same sentence and thought as NE and Pitts pass rush?? we will actually get to him atleast 2 times and rush him a couple of more.


Seattle only has 2 sacks less than Pitt on the season, they blitz a lot, and iirc correctly they never got to Anderson.

[Jakey]

I cant imagine it changing much more than usual anyways, we allways rush allot regardless of who we are playing...we are just gonna have to make sure we defend downfield well...i.e not like we did against the Cardinals.

[scrylla]

Steelers Farrior on Browns Winslow: 'I'll be looking for him'
Steelers linebacker James Farrior has a word of warning for Browns tight end Kellen Winslow Jr. "He better have his head on a swivel," Farrior said in a conference call from Pittsburgh on Wednesday. "Every time we go up against those guys, I'll be looking for him." Winslow was not available Wednesday to respond to Farrior's not-so-subtle threat. He will get his turn today. Whether Winslow talks is up to him, but the feud between Winslow and Farrior is just one part of the drama building toward the game Sunday at Heinz Field. The rift can be traced to the game in Pittsburgh last year when Winslow was flagged for a blind-side block on Farrior late in the game after the whistle blew. It prompted former Steelers linebacker Joey Porter to use a slur for a homosexual, which prompted the NFL to fine Porter. -- News-Herald

The Steelers are such punks. Who do you guys think/ how many times is Hines Ward going to get a late hit on this game? That helmet-to-helmet hit at the end of the game last week was absolutely unprofessional and ridiculous.

All I gotta say is, KII is ready for whatever Farrior is going to bring.

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[Mr. Stiller]

I don't expect Anderson getting hit all that often.....if NE and Seattle couldn't get to him, neither is Pitt. However, i still see him giving you guys a couple easy picks, that's just how he rolls.

Yeah... I completely forgot about how Pittsburgh wasn't #1 in both Passing Yards Per game, Overall Defense, Points per game and #3 in Rushing against per game..

But I could see how the #1 defense in the league wouldn't out do the #5 and #13

[Mr. Stiller]

Officially, Joe Thomas has not given up a sack, or at least that is what Chris Mortensen and John Clayton have said. So yeah, Mrs Stiller, you were wrong. But lets not dwell on the past.

Should be a decent ball game and we should be in it if we can manage to make it a shootout.

Eh... I don't know how much stock I'll put in that. 3 Sacks came from the edge on his side. 2 of Which he got abused and once got run around.

They want to not put them in the books as his fault, fine. I don't really care, but the fact remains..

We sacked the QB 3 times from his side. I don't care how many sacks are "Credited" to his name if we're abusing him to the QB.

I don't think he has the strength or arm length to take on Harrison as he's peaking right now.. Heck Ogdens arms are about 10"-14" longer and He couldn't get locked onto Harrison.

[BrownsTown]

Yeah... I completely forgot about how Pittsburgh wasn't #1 in both Passing Yards Per game, Overall Defense, Points per game and #3 in Rushing against per game..

But I could see how the #1 defense in the league wouldn't out do the #5 and #13

You act like the Steelers have actually played decent offenses.

Lets recap:
The Charlie Frye led Browns
Bills
49ers
Cardinals
Seattle
Cincinnati
Baltimore.

Let's see, the only good offense they've really faced this year, Denver, they *gasp* gave up 31 to.

This Browns offense is the best the Steelers will have faced all year.

The question is can the Browns score with the Steelers offense. If the Browns defense comes up big I think the Browns win this. But that's not likely, so I say Steelers in a shootout.

[Mr. Stiller]

You act like the Steelers have actually played decent offenses.

Lets recap:
The Charlie Frye led Browns
Bills
49ers
Cardinals
Seattle
Cincinnati
Baltimore.

Let's see, the only good offense they've really faced this year, Denver, they *gasp* gave up 31 to.

This Browns offense is the best the Steelers will have faced all year.

The question is can the Browns score with the Steelers offense. If the Browns defense comes up big I think the Browns win this. But that's not likely, so I say Steelers in a shootout.

Yeah, and you're acting as if the Defenses you beat were *Gasp* any good.

The last 3 games you averaged:

34 pts...

Against teams with a combined record of 4-20.

Those teams averaged about 27 pts.

The 2 defenses above .500 you faced you managed 12 pts on avg.

I don't know if I'd put the Browns offense over the Bengals offense.. they're playing good right now, but look who you guys had the last 3 weeks.. and the 3 weeks before NE.

You're talking exactly like you did before the first game.

You guys have 1 thing we don't.. a solid OL. But we exploited that in the first game, and we can do it again.

[Smooth Criminal]

I really hope the steelers don't make the mistake of blitzing to many guys. Anderson has made quick reads and has reliable targets. He'll find the open man if we are blitzing 6-7 guys regularly.

[Scarface]

my guess is derek anderson is gonna win

[Jakey]

My guess is Derek anderson will win...the most sacked quaterback of the week award! woot

[BrownsTown]

Yeah, and you're acting as if the Defenses you beat were *Gasp* any good.

The last 3 games you averaged:

34 pts...

Against teams with a combined record of 4-20.

Those teams averaged about 27 pts.

The 2 defenses above .500 you faced you managed 12 pts on avg.

I don't know if I'd put the Browns offense over the Bengals offense.. they're playing good right now, but look who you guys had the last 3 weeks.. and the 3 weeks before NE.

You're talking exactly like you did before the first game.

You guys have 1 thing we don't.. a solid OL. But we exploited that in the first game, and we can do it again.

You're not getting that it wasn't good as it is now. A rookie LT that has, no lie, gotten better every single game since then. You get past the newness to the league and you have something you didn't have week 1: one of if not the best young LT in the league.

The Browns put up 27 against Baltimore, 33 against a decent Seattle defense, of course 51 against a crappy Cinci defense, 24 againsta good Oakland defense, and 41 against a decent Miami defense.

Seriously, you guys talk way too much. I look forward to when either the Browns or the Patriots knock you guys off your high horse.

[Smooth Criminal]

Getting beat by the pats is hardly getting knocked off any high horse. Considering they are the best team in the league, most of us expect a loss, and they beat the Browns aswell.

Pittsburgh will not lose to the Browns at home. It just won't happen. Anderson will throw a couple INTs and I expect our offense to be a baleneced attack. Hopefully they stick to the run game this week aswell because the Browns defense will not be able to stop Willie.

[BrownsTown]

Getting beat by the pats is hardly getting knocked off any high horse. Considering they are the best team in the league, most of us expect a loss, and they beat the Browns aswell.

Pittsburgh will not lose to the Browns at home. It just won't happen. Anderson will throw a couple INTs and I expect our offense to be a baleneced attack. Hopefully they stick to the run game this week aswell because the Browns defense will not be able to stop Willie.

You see, this is what I mean. "It just won't happen". NEWSFLASH. We're 5-3 and currently a playoff team. Saying there's no way you lose to us is being cocky and disrespectful. Whatever you expect the Browns have a chance to win, and a good one.

[Smooth Criminal]

The Steelers havnt lost to the Browns since 03. Were playing great right now and the games at heinz field. Youll soon see the Browns arnt as good as their record after the Steelers put them in their place again.

[BrownsTown]

The Steelers havnt lost to the Browns since 03. Were playing great right now and the games at heinz field. Youll soon see the Browns arnt as good as their record after the Steelers put them in their place again.

Proving my point again. The Steelers haven't beaten the Browns since 03, and the Browns haven't been this good since long before then. This may be the best team they've had since they came back.

[Smooth Criminal]

You can have fun trying to prove whatever point you want. The steelers will prove my point on the field when they rout the browns for the 2nd time this year.

And it wouldn't be hard for this to be the best team of the new browns considering they have all sucked.

[BrownsTown]

You can have fun trying to prove whatever point you want. The steelers will prove my point on the field when they rout the browns for the 2nd time this year.

And it wouldn't be hard for this to be the best team of the new browns considering they have all sucked.

No doubting that, 1 of them did make the playoffs however. But that also means that you're point, that they haven't beaten Pitt since 03, means nothing.

[j05son]

Getting beat by the pats is hardly getting knocked off any high horse. Considering they are the best team in the league, most of us expect a loss, and they beat the Browns aswell.

Pittsburgh will not lose to the Browns at home. It just won't happen. Anderson will throw a couple INTs and I expect our offense to be a baleneced attack. Hopefully they stick to the run game this week aswell because the Browns defense will not be able to stop Willie.

Your inane comment on how you would basically bet the farm on the Steelers over the Browns made me laugh. It's not that fact that you think the Steelers will win, or the fact you believe they'll win big [as both are opinions and are frankly, reasonable]. It's the fact that you think there is no chance, 0%, that the Browns will win is ludicrous. Why even play the game then. Why not give the ticket holders to the November 11th game a John Mayer concert instead.

It's a good thing Tomlin is your Head Coach and not looking ahead at the Jets in East Rutherford or even the Patriots since the Browns, Jets, Bengals, Dolphins are all utter trash that don't even deserve a chance to play the Steelers.

ON ANY GIVEN SUNDAY!

The 0-15 Dolphins can beat the 15-0 Patriots just like a team that has a chip on it's shoulder, playing the best football they've played since reemerging as a team in '99 can beat a good Steelers team.

Any given sunday.....

[mikehop05]

Your inane comment on how you would basically bet the farm on the Steelers over the Browns made me laugh. It's not that fact that you think the Steelers will win, or the fact you believe they'll win big [as both are opinions and are frankly, reasonable]. It's the fact that you think there is no chance, 0%, that the Browns will win is ludicrous. Why even play the game then. Why not give the ticket holders to the November 11th game a John Mayer concert instead.

It's a good thing Tomlin is your Head Coach and not looking ahead at the Jets in East Rutherford or even the Patriots since the Browns, Jets, Bengals, Dolphins are all utter trash that don't even deserve a chance to play the Steelers.

ON ANY GIVEN SUNDAY!

The 0-15 Dolphins can beat the 15-0 Patriots just like a team that has a chip on it's shoulder, playing the best football they've played since reemerging as a team in '99 can beat a good Steelers team.

Any given sunday.....

way to base your whole post on a movie

[mikehop05]

You see, this is what I mean. "It just won't happen". NEWSFLASH. We're 5-3 and currently a playoff team. Saying there's no way you lose to us is being cocky and disrespectful. Whatever you expect the Browns have a chance to win, and a good one.

boo ******* hoo


stop being a ***** this is why no one likes the brrowns or their fans

[j05son]

way to base your whole post on a movie

Any Given Sunday is a movie. Any given Sunday is also a phrase used well before the movie came out. I was using it as the phrase and not the movie. It would be great if you tried to distinguish the two before trying to make a intelligent/sarcastic post.

mikehop05 = phail.

[Smooth Criminal]

I never said there is a 0% chance. I stated my opinion that the Browns will not win in Pittsburgh. Honestly if i had to give it a percent it'd be about 5.

And i dont care if you browns fans think that is cocky or
Disrespectful. Its my opinion and well see whose is right after the game tommorow.

[BrownsTown]

Wow, Steeler fans are humongous assholes.

[Smooth Criminal]

Browns fans are oversensitive whiny bitches, much like their players.

[BrownsTown]

Browns fans are oversensitive whiny bitches, much like their players.

You're going crazy with proving my points today there bud.

[Jakey]

Does any1 know if this game is on sopcast...or there is any other way to watch it on the internet??? Thanks guys

[mikehop05]

Does any1 know if this game is on sopcast...or there is any other way to watch it on the internet??? Thanks guys

i couldnt find anything on tv but im listening to it via an online stream

[terribletowel39]

hey i'm not gonna lie yall scored more points than i thought yall would, i didn't factor in Cribbs and our ****** KO coverage. it was a nail biter. the browns have come a long way. in a way i am glad yall have gotten better. now we can have some football games like todays.

[Smooth Criminal]

everything went the browns way and they still lost. Must suck to root for that team.

Closer than I would have liked but a W is a W. Fun game to watch.

[j05son]

I wasn't able to watch the game...

How was the pressuring of the QB for both teams ?

Cleveland had 4 sacks, Pitt nil, but did we both generate pressure constantly...Mosty asking to see about our lines.

Also, 40 yards rushing for Cleveland. Ben had more...

[Smooth Criminal]

Steelers got very little but they wernt rushing alot. Clevelands line looked great at pass blocking but horrible against the run. They never got any push off the snap.

Browns defense blitzed alot and got alot of pressure for most of the game.

[Hines]

good game browns, yall got me scared

[Scarface]

The Steelers havnt lost to the Browns since 03. Were playing great right now and the games at heinz field. Youll soon see the Browns arnt as good as their record after the Steelers put them in their place again.


wow steelers and ohio state fan, frontrunner

[keylime_5]

Very very disappointed and heartbroken after that one. 21-6 and we let it slip away. Too much went wrong in the 2nd half between the no first downs until the last drive, the fumble, not stopping Ben on 3rd and long about 5 times, and the holding on the last punt return. Looks like Pittsburgh has the division, hopefully we can win 4 or 5 of our last 7 at least to represent the AFCNorth in the wildcard round (will we meet again then?)

Our O-Line was reallly good today, Pittsburgh blitzed a ton as usual and never got any pressure on Anderson, that was impressive. Figured we weren't gonna run on Pittsburgh though, Jamal Lewis is not necessarily an Adrian Peterson or LaDanian Tomlinson. We need a longterm answer at RB eventually, JL is just stopgap. Considering about every Browns fan expected us to lose that one, it's at least comforting to know we nearly won.

[Smooth Criminal]

Steelers really didnt blitz as much as they typically do until the end of the game. For the first 3 quarters plus the dropped more ppl in to coverage than usual.

[Hines]

Very very disappointed and heartbroken after that one. 21-6 and we let it slip away. Too much went wrong in the 2nd half between the no first downs until the last drive, the fumble, not stopping Ben on 3rd and long about 5 times, and the holding on the last punt return. Looks like Pittsburgh has the division, hopefully we can win 4 or 5 of our last 7 at least to represent the AFCNorth in the wildcard round (will we meet again then?)

Our O-Line was reallly good today, Pittsburgh blitzed a ton as usual and never got any pressure on Anderson, that was impressive. Figured we weren't gonna run on Pittsburgh though, Jamal Lewis is not necessarily an Adrian Peterson or LaDanian Tomlinson. We need a longterm answer at RB eventually, JL is just stopgap. Considering about every Browns fan expected us to lose that one, it's at least comforting to know we nearly won.



honestly, ithought that this game would be a cake walk since we always smash you guys, but now i know you guys are good cuz honesty in my opinion, anderson>quinn, and i think you guys can and will be successful with anderson

you guys need help with your front seven and some line work
if you guys do that, it will be a good rivalry again

good game guys, and joshua cribbs i believe is the returner that nobody knows about, he might be just as good as hester

[Smooth Criminal]

The only thing that kept this game close was the kick returns nad Bens INT. Other than the first drive the Browns didn't do much offensivly and their defense was pretty bad all game.

[Mr. Stiller]

Browns to send a tape to NY headquarters complaining about the officiating.

Here (http://www.cantonrep.com/index.php?Category=17&ID=386226&subCategoryID=26)

BEREA Borrowing from a John Steinbach title, call the aftermath of Sunday’s 31-28 loss at Pittsburgh the Winter of Romeo Crennel’s discontent.

The Browns’ head coach said the team will send the league office a package demonstrating how the team was hurt by holding penalties that were and weren’t called.

Referee Ron Winter’s crew missed some holds that helped Pittsburgh drives, in the view of some Browns.

Then, with barely more than a minute left, Browns punt-return blocker Darnell Dinkins was flagged for holding. Dinkins was convinced - and coaches agreed following a film review - it was a clean play.

The penalty resulted in the Browns starting their final series from their own 33-yard line rather than the Pittsburgh 40. They got far enough for Phil Dawson to try a 52-yard field goal that came up short.

“It’s unfortunate it happened,” Crennel said today. “It cost us a lot of field position.”

[Smooth Criminal]

I thought the officiating was bad on this game aswell. There were alot of false start penalties on both teams that went uncalled. There were also alot of uncalled holds against both teams, and some that shouldn't have been called. I think i can remember a horse collar that went uncalled aswelll but that might have been another game.

BTW, this is the same guy that screwed up the coin toss on Thanksgiving.

[Mr. Stiller]

I thought the officiating was bad on this game aswell. There were alot of false start penalties on both teams that went uncalled. There were also alot of uncalled holds against both teams, and some that shouldn't have been called. I think i can remember a horse collar that went uncalled aswelll but that might have been another game.

BTW, this is the same guy that screwed up the coin toss on Thanksgiving.

officiating sucked... but it sucked equally

[RoyHall#1]

officiating sucked... but it sucked equally

You can't deny how huge that last holding call on Dinkins was though.

[Smooth Criminal]

As huge as it was he was definately holding the back of Harrisons jersey. I saw a video of it on another forum so I'll try to find it again and you cab see him holding the back of the jersey and before the play was over both players turned and looked for the flag and Dinkins immediately knew it was on him.

[Mr. Stiller]

You can't deny how huge that last holding call on Dinkins was though.

And that no call PI on Winslow could've ended the game if Winslow didn't interfere with Polamalu.

Troy had that picked. Winslow pulled him down. No call.

[kalbears13]

Looking back on this thread I am laughing at everybody. All the predictions about QBs and stats and records and draft picks.

[Smooth Criminal]

wow steelers and ohio state fan, frontrunner


Somehow I missed this comment when the thread was active.

Could be that I'm a Steelers fan cause I've lived in Pittsburgh all my life and grew up loving the team. And now I'm an OSU fan cause I go there.