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soybean
09-09-2007, 10:33 PM
hopefully this can get sticky, let's track the rookies progress through the weeks.

3 offensive guys really impressed me today and I feel are at the head of the pack for ROY.

Marshawn Lynch: [rushing]19-90 1 td [receiving]2-9 0td
Adrian Peterson: [rushing]19-103 0td [receiving]1-60 1td.
Calvin Johnson: 4-70 1td

discuss the other rookies on your teams.

neko4
09-09-2007, 10:33 PM
Justin Harrell- DNP
Brandon Jackson- 15carries 40yards, 4rec 35yards
James Jones- 4rec 29yards
Deshawn Wynn- 1carry 8yards, 1rec 18yards(the shovel pass)
Allen Barbe- DNP
Mason Crosby- 3/3 53longest, game winner
Korey Hall- Got to start at FB

I wouldnt be suprised if every rookie was impressive this year except for Harrell

PalmerToCJ
09-09-2007, 10:33 PM
Nice, I like this thread idea. I'll be sure to chime in on Bengals players after tomorrow nights game.

soybean
09-09-2007, 10:36 PM
Paul Posluszny had 10 tackles 9 solo. 0 sacks. That's pretty damn good, he'll probably be DROY.

JK17
09-09-2007, 10:46 PM
Craig Davis did about what I expected of him, nothing major yet, but i think it was 2 catches for 15 yards. I was happy with it, the catches were nice, and made on drives where we needed them a lot. I was fine with him.

Eric Weddle played really well, he looked good when he was in there got a sack, seemed to be in the right places when he had to be. Very impressed with him still.

None of the other rookies really did anything.

The Great Jonathan Vilma
09-09-2007, 10:47 PM
Poz looked real good.
AD was great.
Calvin was solid
Lynch impressed me, especially on the 4th down play where he just kept on going and came up chirping the other team. Real impressed.
Revis from what i saw was solid on a rather very unimpressive performance by the Jets D.
weddle from what i saw was solid. nice sack.
Russell impressed me with how many hotdogs he ate on the sidelines........

throwback54milkman
09-09-2007, 10:48 PM
yes, the Jets secondary player poorly, but the one bright spot was Darelle Revis, he didnt really get beat at all when he was stuck one on one with Stallworth or Welker or even Moss once in a while. He's a stud.

Vikes99ej
09-09-2007, 10:50 PM
Brian Robison had two sacks.

Turtlepower
09-09-2007, 10:53 PM
Mason Crosby is in first place for OROY...

The Dynasty
09-09-2007, 10:58 PM
The Vikings Rookies all played well it seemed. Peterson looked like he had a good grasp on the NFL so far. Sidney yeah made some mistakes like not going to the the first down marker but thats a common rookie mistake. Also McCauley didnt do much but made good tackles. Robison like Vikesej sad he had 2 sacks. Allison had a catch. So it seems like our rookies are contrubiting.

HoopsDemon12
09-09-2007, 11:11 PM
Puz looked good for us but his tackle total was inflated by how easily henry got through our d-line... when put one on one though he was in the right whole and wrapped up the ball carries well. Alswell he was always aroudn the ball which is a great characteristic. Although some plays in the game you saw Pauls lack of speed.

doingthisinsteadofwork
09-09-2007, 11:16 PM
Zach Miller had two catches for about 12 yards or something.He also had a FR recovery tried to run with it and was immediately stripped of the ball so he also had a Fumble.
Higgins returned a couple of punts but nothing special.
Jay Richardson had a tackle.
Russell is still complaining about how he isnt getting 35 million in gurantees.

comahan
09-09-2007, 11:16 PM
Amobi started had a few hurries, but for the most part looked like a Rookie.

Jacoby Jones played the slot and had 2 catches for 34 yards, including a big 25 yarder for a first down. He also returned punts, but didnt really do anything.

yodabear
09-09-2007, 11:18 PM
Adam Carriker sucked majorily, don't know why I brought him up, he doesn't diserve to be in this thread. And the Rams don't belong in the NFL.

Turtlepower
09-09-2007, 11:20 PM
Michael Johnson has forced fumble on Special Teams and Jay Alford was horrendous as our long snapper. Bradshaw needs to learn to hold the ball with 2 hands.

BlindSite
09-10-2007, 01:56 AM
Beason was rock solid in every facet of the game and there wasn't a tackle where he wasnt' near by, I love this kidl.

Turtlepower
09-10-2007, 02:44 AM
Beason was rock solid in every facet of the game and there wasn't a tackle where he wasnt' near by, I love this kidl.

I see him getting in trouble at a strip club just to spite the organization for his contract holdout. =D

BlindSite
09-10-2007, 04:44 AM
He really wanted to be a Panther apparently dan morgan is one of his heroes.

Bills2083
09-10-2007, 06:29 AM
Lynch had a very good game. He never goes down on initial contact. I recall one time when he had 4 guys on him, and he got an extra 4 yards. He's gonna be a GOOD rb.

Posluszny had a good game too. He had 10 tackles and was always around the ball.

draftguru151
09-10-2007, 08:20 AM
Ted Ginn is worthless. He had a reverse for a few yards and tried to juke LaRon Landry and get whacked. He did nothing on returns.

Samson Satele did a good job at center.

Modano
09-10-2007, 08:43 AM
Anthony Spencer got a sack to stop a two point conversation and get other two or three hurries. He didn't play the run very well but was good in rushing the passer.

LionSmack
09-10-2007, 09:05 AM
Calvin looked fine, played within the offense, on his TD he was totally wide open. He did have one "drop" on a pass that was 6 feet behind him and 8 inches off the ground but he got his hands on it.

Gerald Alexander played and had a tackle. He was expected to fill the role of the injured D. Bullocks but Idrees Bashir ended up playing a lot instead.

No other Lions rookie played. Ikaika Alama-Francis was inactive.

Freddy G
09-10-2007, 09:57 AM
For his first start against Pitt. Joe Thomas did well. I don't think he gave up a sack (a sack did come from his side, but the guy wasn't his assignment). Still needs to get stronger though, he gets pushed back too easily.

Eric Wright did okay, gave up a TD, but it was more of a great throw catch than bad coverage.

TitanHope
09-10-2007, 10:04 AM
Chris Davis, WR, had 1 catch for 8 yards while playing in the slot for a good part of the game. Vince targeted him for a TD, but he was well covered.

Michael Griffin, CB, didn't start but played on special teams. He didn't notch a tackle, but did have 2 KR's for 35 yards.

None of the other rookies saw the field. Well, they did see it, but they didn't play...

bored of education
09-10-2007, 10:28 AM
Dwyane Bowe will be looking at more time with Eddie Kennison dying.

Sveen
09-10-2007, 02:13 PM
OG Andy Alleman - DNP
OT Jermon Bushrod - DNP
WR Robert Meachem - DNP
RB Pierre Thomas - DNP
CB Usama Young - 1 TCK

Addict
09-10-2007, 02:15 PM
Paul Posluszny had 10 tackles 9 solo. 0 sacks. That's pretty damn good, he'll probably be DROY.

definately, IF Patrick Willis dropped of the face of the earth.

MaxV
09-10-2007, 03:00 PM
Tony Ugoh, Ed Johnson and Dante Hughes all looked good.

Anthony Gonzalez saw the field, but didn't make any catches.

Scar
09-10-2007, 03:06 PM
Eric Weddle - SD's got themselves a playmaker. Nice move trading up for him.

Addict
09-10-2007, 03:10 PM
Eric Weddle - SD's got themselves a playmaker. Nice move trading up for him.

That kid is a football player, I loved him as a prospect. Indeed a great move.

skinzzfan25
09-10-2007, 03:10 PM
They didn't really throw near Landry's way, he probably had a few tackles.

Stephon Heyer came in when Jansen went down, and played really well against Jason Taylor. For a UFDA, amazing lol.

mqtirishfan
09-10-2007, 03:36 PM
Sidney yeah made some mistakes like not going to the the first down marker but thats a common rookie mistake.

How the heck is that a rookie mistake? From the time you start playing football, you know to go to the first down marker. Rookie mistake doesn't even begin to cover something like that. The only legit rookie mistake I can think of is not making sure a player is touched after he goes down.

SeanTaylorRIP
09-10-2007, 03:40 PM
They didn't really throw near Landry's way, he probably had a few tackles.

Stephon Heyer came in when Jansen went down, and played really well against Jason Taylor. For a UFDA, amazing lol.

Yeah neither Landry or Taylor were challenged, all they had to do was cover the run which they are two of the best in the league at. Landry blitzed on a couple plays. Miami barely challenged us vertically at all, most of Trent Green's few yards were on intermediate pass plays picking on Smoot all day. No one got beat deep and we could have easily held them close to zero if we didn't allow that last second play at the end of the half which was a great read by Trent. And yeah Stephon Heyer is amazing so many teams must be kicking themselves for not just not drafting him but not signing him undrafted. His future is really great, too bad for Jon Jansen though as he might not ever suit up again. HB Blades made some nice special teams plays, and would be starting had we not signed London Fletcher, but he will be a Fletcher clone in 2 years time.

DMWSackMachine
09-10-2007, 04:40 PM
Anthony Spencer is really starting to grasp things for the Cowboys, after looking dazed an confused for the first part of camp and into the preseason. If he continues this kind of improvement, he will have a shot at DROY, and you will likely hear from him on a few of the highlight shows.

That said, no other rookies play significant time, except Nick Folk, the PK who was only overshadowed by Crosby's great day, but he did extremely well.

Godsend
09-10-2007, 04:46 PM
Matt Spaeth: 1 rec, 5 yds, TD. Nice. :D

Draft King
09-10-2007, 04:56 PM
Jamaal Anderson - Didn't see much of him, but after 1 game I won't jump to conclusions

Chris Houston - When he came in seemed to do well in coverage

Justin Blalock - He didn't really have a chance as the whole O-Line was being pushed around, not fun facing Pat/Kevin Williams in your first NFL start

P-L
09-11-2007, 11:28 PM
What were everyone else's impressions of Calvin Johnson's first game? I ask this because apparently Fabian Washington was not impressed.

Maybe it was just the run-off from sour grapes in the losers' locker room, but Raiders cornerback Fabian Washington wasn't in a mood to compliment Lions super-rookie Calvin Johnson after the Raiders' 36-21 loss -- even after Johnson had dragged him across the field on a 16-yard touchdown play in the third quarter.

"He wasn't that great to me," Washington said afterward. "They did things to get him open, like pick routes and all that. But he was nothing special, trust me."http://www1.pressdemocrat.com/article/20070910/SPORTS/709100402/1010/SPORT01

doingthisinsteadofwork
09-12-2007, 12:03 AM
well in all fairness Ryan had our secondary playing in zone coverage.to many weapons not enough CB depth to play man I guess.

PalmerToCJ
09-12-2007, 11:43 AM
Leon Hall can flat out tackle. Regardless of what anyone thinks otherwise he just doesn't miss tackles and I love that.

He was solid in coverage Monday night, most importantly he didn't make any mistakes in his first game/start.

Chinny Ndukwe was our only other draftee to play significant time but he really didn't do much because Jackson came back in before long.

EvilMonkey
09-12-2007, 12:52 PM
patrick willis - 11 TKL, FF

DROY is definately his to lose IMO

JagHombre22
09-12-2007, 06:57 PM
Reggie Nelson- 7 tackles, 1 sack, 1 FF
Justin Durant- Played, no tackles
Derek Landri- played, no tackles, good pressure up front though...
John Broussard- could be this years Marques Colston...had 2 catches for 57 yards and 1 TD...

ks_perfection
09-12-2007, 08:37 PM
What were everyone else's impressions of Calvin Johnson's first game? I ask this because apparently Fabian Washington was not impressed.

http://www1.pressdemocrat.com/article/20070910/SPORTS/709100402/1010/SPORT01

He didn't meet my expectations, but I expected him to completely dominat which is very unrealistic for a rookie. Overall it was good, with good recievers around him he won't get as many touches as in college. I had hoped to see alot of bombs to him but that wasn't his call.

BlindSite
09-13-2007, 02:27 AM
What were everyone else's impressions of Calvin Johnson's first game? I ask this because apparently Fabian Washington was not impressed.

http://www1.pressdemocrat.com/article/20070910/SPORTS/709100402/1010/SPORT01

Calvin johnson is decent and nothing more... He still lacks a lot of skill in pivotal areas to even reach the plateau of a good number 2 IMO.

remix 6
09-13-2007, 07:24 AM
Brandon Meriweather
4 tackles. mostly on kickoff

1 solo 3 assisted

i expect him to get some more work this week

LionSmack
09-13-2007, 10:11 AM
Calvin johnson is decent and nothing more... He still lacks a lot of skill in pivotal areas to even reach the plateau of a good number 2 IMO.

Really, please detail for me all these pivotal areas he's lacking in. That would be most entertaining.

wisconsin9erfan
09-13-2007, 01:05 PM
If Patrick Willis plays anything like he did in the first game then he should win the DROY easily.

soybean
09-13-2007, 03:36 PM
Brandon Meriweather
4 tackles. mostly on kickoff

1 solo 3 assisted

i expect him to get some more work this week

how's oscar lua doing? has he played yet?

zCaddyz
09-13-2007, 07:09 PM
gaines adams really didnt do nothing but he was facing walter jones in his first game

remix 6
09-13-2007, 07:16 PM
how's oscar lua doing? has he played yet?

injured reserve. hurt his knee i think against Giants and even if it was serious or not..he went on IR like msot young players would so we can keep him

MNRunLeft
09-13-2007, 09:13 PM
After one week it seems like Willis and Peterson are favorites to win the DROY and OROY. Not much of a suprise when you look at where they were selected and the positions they play.

remix 6
09-13-2007, 10:09 PM
^those were my picks too. if Peterson plays a lot..i had him as the OROY. if he didnt i woulda had Johnson

soybean
09-13-2007, 11:06 PM
Im still sticking with marshawn lynch for oroy. I doubt neither the bills nor the vikings will make the playoffs, nor the lions make the playoffs, so it'll be a level playing field.

marshawn lynch had a solid game but flew under the radar because he was overshadowed by AD. plus, i know im gonna get flamed for saying that his injury concerns bother me, but they do.

Addict
09-15-2007, 11:12 AM
Im still sticking with marshawn lynch for oroy. I doubt neither the bills nor the vikings will make the playoffs, nor the lions make the playoffs, so it'll be a level playing field.

marshawn lynch had a solid game but flew under the radar because he was overshadowed by AD. plus, i know im gonna get flamed for saying that his injury concerns bother me, but they do.

Lynch will get more touches and will be more productive as a result. Basically, the only thing between AD and OROY is Chester Taylor

bored of education
09-15-2007, 11:36 AM
Dwyane Bowe will have approx 5-6 rec. 60-100 yrds and a td thisweek. I think uspet city occurs in Chitown

and Marshawn is good for 1200 this year 8 tds

Bills2083
09-15-2007, 11:52 AM
I think that the OROY will come down to AD and Lynch. I'm hoping its the latter

I'm hoping that the DROY is Pos, but he has some tough competition in Willis.

Geo
09-15-2007, 12:05 PM
Dwyane Bowe will have approx 5-6 rec. 60-100 yrds and a td thisweek. I think uspet city occurs in Chitown
More like garbage time stats imo.

Yung Flippa
09-15-2007, 12:21 PM
Okay, well BJ Sams is out for the season, so......

get ready for YAMON FIGURS!!!

Green Bay Scat
09-15-2007, 03:24 PM
Jonathan Wade will be the nickleback this week i believe for St. Louis, i expect good things from him if he is.

remix 6
09-15-2007, 04:26 PM
speculation
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Meriweather could see extended time on defense to maybe cover Gates unless we stick Thomas with him

PoopSandwich
09-15-2007, 04:42 PM
OROY = Brady Quinn after he leads us to a 14-2 regular season and the super bowl in the post season after executing perfect screen passes the entire year.

Splat
09-15-2007, 04:53 PM
49ers linebacker Willis voted Week 1 NFL Rookie of the Week.

http://www.nfl.com/partner?partnerType=rookies

Recorded 11 tackles, nine of them solo, and forced a fumble in his first regular-season NFL game, helping the 49ers to a 20-17 victory over the Arizona Cardinals.

Man_Of_Steel
09-15-2007, 05:08 PM
49ers linebacker Willis voted Week 1 NFL Rookie of the Week.

http://www.nfl.com/partner?partnerType=rookies

Recorded 11 tackles, nine of them solo, and forced a fumble in his first regular-season NFL game, helping the 49ers to a 20-17 victory over the Arizona Cardinals.

Well deserved.

wiscbadgerfootball
09-15-2007, 05:14 PM
how did Joe Thomas play?

Flyboy
09-15-2007, 08:33 PM
After one week it seems like Willis and Peterson are favorites to win the DROY and OROY. Not much of a suprise when you look at where they were selected and the positions they play.

Yeah, it's early but I'd take Lynch as OROY over AD right now.

SuperKevin
09-16-2007, 07:07 PM
Calvin Johnson with a TD catch in his first two NFL games. He now has 8 catches for 131 yards and 2 TDs. Not bad for a rookie WR.

Geo
09-16-2007, 07:10 PM
Calvin Johnson with a TD catch in his first two NFL games. He now has 8 catches for 131 yards and 2 TDs. Not bad for the Second Coming.
Fixed your post.

ShutDwn
09-16-2007, 07:10 PM
Jon Beason had 7 tackles today.

I really love James Jones. DAMN THOSE PACKERS

neko4
09-16-2007, 07:15 PM
Justin Harrell- DNP
Brandon Jackson- 15carries 40yards, 4rec 35yards
James Jones- 4rec 29yards
Deshawn Wynn- 1carry 8yards, 1rec 18yards(the shovel pass)
Allen Barbe- DNP
Mason Crosby- 3/3 53longest, game winner
Korey Hall- Got to start at FB

I wouldnt be suprised if every rookie was impressive this year except for Harrell
Justin Harrell didnt play again i believe

Brandon Jackson- 17carries 35 yards, 4rec 24yards
James Jones- 4rec 75yards
Deshawn Wynn- 10carries for 50 yards and 2td's, 2 catches 18 yards
Allen Barbe- DNP
Mason crosby- 0/1
Korey Hall- 2rec 20 yards

The Unseen
09-16-2007, 07:23 PM
Justin Durant started today for the first time. Reggie Nelson also started for the first time, but he played a good amount of time last week. I'm not exactly sure how they played; I didn't play attention to them, and I didn't hear their name called much, except for Nelson on a couple of early tackles.

The Dynasty
09-16-2007, 07:28 PM
AD = OROY. Lead the Team in Rushing and Receiving.

HawkeyeFan
09-16-2007, 07:35 PM
DT Clifton Ryan (Michigan State) for the Rams:
4 tackles, 2 sacks, 1 FF, 1 FR
Ain't bad for coming in during 4th Quarter.

etk
09-16-2007, 07:57 PM
2 sacks for Amobi Okoye. Wasn't it just a week or two ago when several people called him a bust before he even sniffed the field? Okoye will have a long, long, long career.

Tanard Jackson had another solid game for the Bucs with 5 solo tackles. Gaines Adams was silent again, while Sears sucked. Piscitelli & Black were absolutely useless. Greg Peterson is part of our rotation at DT and make 2 solos in limited action.

49erfaithful
09-16-2007, 09:55 PM
patrick willis - 11 TKL, FF

DROY is definately his to lose IMO

added 8 total tackles to that today

Man_Of_Steel
09-16-2007, 09:58 PM
Really no Steelers rookies are playing.

Woodley replaced Harrison when he got hurt and picked up a sack.

Spaeth on the season has 3 catches and 2 TDs, he is only on the field in the redzone.

I dont think Sepulveda even had a punt today.

Sniper
09-16-2007, 10:00 PM
2 sacks for Amobi Okoye. Wasn't it just a week or two ago when several people called him a bust before he even sniffed the field? Okoye will have a long, long, long career.


Clearly if you suck in TC, it's an amazing indicator of on-field game results :rolleyes:

draftguru151
09-16-2007, 10:06 PM
It wasn't even based on TC from what I remember, it was pretty much based on Petrino passing on him.

steelernation77
09-16-2007, 10:09 PM
Really no Steelers rookies are playing.

Woodley replaced Harrison when he got hurt and picked up a sack.

Spaeth on the season has 3 catches and 2 TDs, he is only on the field in the redzone.

I dont think Sepulveda even had a punt today.

I know he had atleast one good punt that bounced down to the 10 or so.

I think he's a lock for STROY (special teams rookie of the year)

ks_perfection
09-16-2007, 10:18 PM
I know he had atleast one good punt that bounced down to the 10 or so.

I think he's a lock for STROY (special teams rookie of the year)

He's no lock, all it takes is a couple touchdown returns for another player to get it. Punting isn't splashy or makes highlights and those things play great weight to winning awards.

zCaddyz
09-16-2007, 10:51 PM
arrons sears didnt suck, the saints didnt even get a sack he had all day too throw, gaines didnt do that bad he was bout to get a sack but brees just got away

gstock05
09-16-2007, 11:58 PM
Joe Thomas looked like Orlando Pace against the Bengals today. No doubt will be a perennial pro-bowler. '

If Bentley comes back, I really feel bad for any defensive line that has to play against Bentley, Steinbach, and Thomas, not to mention the two guys on the right side arent all that bad either.

JagHombre22
09-16-2007, 11:59 PM
For the Jaguars,
Both Reggie Nelson(FS) and Justin Durant(OLB) started today...
combined they had three tackles...

Adam Podlesh(P) had 4 punts today for a whopping 33.5 average...

cunningham06
09-17-2007, 12:07 AM
Amobi had two sacks today and 4 tackles and our defensive line is starting to look nasty now that Mario's healthy.

EdReedUnstoppable
09-17-2007, 12:27 AM
Yamon Figurs = Kick returns of 61 and 28 yards today.

WMD
09-17-2007, 12:40 AM
CJ is of course a Football God.. and the only rookie who's been playing on the defensive side is Gerald Alexander, who has 6 Tackles and 1 INT on the year so far!

soybean
09-17-2007, 12:42 AM
CJ is of course a Football God.. and the only rookie who's been playing on the defensive side is Gerald Alexander, who has 6 Tackles and 1 INT on the year so far!

he's been solid, but a god...?

Modano
09-17-2007, 04:40 AM
Nick Folk - 3/3, longest of 47 yards
Anthony Spencer - 4 tackles, one for loss. He played good and almost got to the QB a couple of times. His progression has been very good so far and he's coming along.

Wyndham
09-17-2007, 07:01 AM
Dwayne Bowe looks like a legitimate No. 1 wide receiver, which the Chiefs have coveted for a long time.

He's much faster than his forty-yard dash would suggest, he's strong as an ox, has great seperation skills and his size is a big help. He made a great play on his touchdown catch yesterday. He had a second touchdown catch for 35 yards after getting by double-coverage, but it was disallowed due to a non-related illegal shift penalty. Otherwise, he'd have 3 catches with two touchdowns.

As people have probably seen, the Chiefs have issues on the offensive line and quarterback; plus, their entire offensive philosophy is reminiscent of pre-70's football. Run, run, pass, punt. If Bowe had a competent QB, I believe he'd be a rookie of the year candidate along with Calvin Johnson. As it stands, he won't get the opportunity (unless KC starts the guy with a live arm, Brodie Croyle).

Second- and third-round picks McBride and Tyler were invisible yesterday outside of each having a penalty; one for roughing the passer and one for encroachment. This is disappointing because the Chiefs have the makings for a good, young defensive line but hopefully they will develop. Tyler showed a lot in preseason but hasn't been able to sustain that into the regular season as yet.

UFA Tyron Brackenridge looks like a good player. Coming in every so often as the dime-back, he shows a lot of promise as a potential nickelback when Law and Surtain hang 'em up.

LonghornsLegend
09-17-2007, 08:21 AM
Dwayne Bowe looks like a legitimate No. 1 wide receiver, which the Chiefs have coveted for a long time.

He's much faster than his forty-yard dash would suggest, he's strong as an ox, has great seperation skills and his size is a big help. He made a great play on his touchdown catch yesterday. He had a second touchdown catch for 35 yards after getting by double-coverage, but it was disallowed due to a non-related illegal shift penalty. Otherwise, he'd have 3 catches with two touchdowns.
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thats good to know about the called back TD, i didnt see the game i would of never known...guess they are looking for him more, but i think huard could start airing it out more once LJ gets going...i like bowe this yr though

Sniper
09-17-2007, 08:34 AM
he's been solid, but a god...?

J stands for Jesus

Crazy_Chris
09-17-2007, 08:41 AM
IMO its still only a 2 man race for OROY between AD and CJ With the Edge to Adrian. 281 Total Yards, 39 Att. 169 Rush Yds 4.3 Avg 5 rec. 112 yards 22.4 Avg 1 Td.

Addict
09-17-2007, 08:43 AM
he's been solid, but a god...?

blasphemy!

Sniper
09-17-2007, 08:54 AM
IMO its still only a 2 man race for OROY between AD and CJ With the Edge to Adrian. 281 Yards, 39 Att. 169 Yds 4.3 Avg 5 rec. 112 yards 22.4 Avg 1 Td.

Have them both on both my fantasy squads, so I win :) Adrian is so good. He's catching the ball more than expected too.

Vikes99ej
09-17-2007, 09:40 AM
IMO its still only a 2 man race for OROY between AD and CJ With the Edge to Adrian. 281 Yards, 39 Att. 169 Yds 4.3 Avg 5 rec. 112 yards 22.4 Avg 1 Td.

Chris, AD only has 169 rushing yards and 112 receiving yards. Calvin Johnson is clearly ahead.

Crazy_Chris
09-17-2007, 09:41 AM
Fixed that for you.

huh? Adrian Peterson only has 1 TD

Sniper
09-17-2007, 09:44 AM
Chris, AD only has 169 rushing yards and 112 receiving yards. Calvin Johnson is clearly ahead.

281 yards. 169+112=281

Scotty D
09-17-2007, 09:46 AM
huh? Adrian Peterson only has 1 TD

My mistake. Early morning.

Man_Of_Steel
09-17-2007, 09:52 AM
IMO its still only a 2 man race for OROY between AD and CJ With the Edge to Adrian. 281 Total Yards, 39 Att. 169 Rush Yds 4.3 Avg 5 rec. 112 yards 22.4 Avg 1 Td.

Marshawn Lynch to me has been by far the most impressive OROY by far.

Crazy_Chris
09-17-2007, 09:54 AM
281 yards. 169+112=281

Im pretty sure he was being sarcastic about how people will still fall in love with CJ even though AD's stats so far are excellent... But i did write AD's stats in kind of a confusing way so i clarified it

Sniper
09-17-2007, 09:59 AM
Im pretty sure he was being sarcastic about how people will still fall in love with CJ even though AD's stats so far are excellent... But i did write AD's stats in kind of a confusing way so i clarified it

My bad. E-sarcasm is a ***** to figure out :) CJ is still terrific though, but AD is #1 so far

LionSmack
09-17-2007, 10:21 AM
AD is really good, no doubt. Very impressive back.

But hang on. 20-for-66 against the Lions defense? He's going to face a lot of defenses better than that. Green Bay and Chicago, to name two.

Now, that might not be on AD so much as on the Vikes' OL which is supposedly a great run-blocking line.

But could it be that their poor (poor? terrible) passing game will allow many teams to stack up against AD and limit him as the season goes on? Signs point to yes.

On the other hand, the Lions' passing game (as long as Kitna stays on both feet) is looking crazy right now and has 3 other WR's to take pressure off CJ and yet also free things up for him.

CJ isn't going to catch 100 passes or anything, but he's looking good for 70+ and 10 TD's right now.

Geo
09-17-2007, 01:10 PM
Anthony Gonzalez made his first three catches of his career, all in the Colts' two-minute offense before halftime at Tennessee. His first catch was impressive, I admit. But I'm still not expecting big things from a rookie WR, he needs time to learn and develop in the offense. (Good thing Dallas Clark has become such a weapon, it's amazing how the Colts move him around and try to create match-up advantages.) I think Gonzalez finished the day with 3 for 49 or thereabouts.

Rookie left tackle Tony Ugoh continues to progress well and play well (I continue to be impressed with his run-blocking, thank you Houston Nutt). Not that Ugoh is going to be selected to the Pro Bowl or anything, but he's faring well thus far. And if memory serves correct, he didn't commit a single penalty in a road game at Tennessee in front of their raucous crowd, which is worth noting. He'll be facing Mario Williams next, come this Sunday.

Undrafted rookie defensive tackle Ed Johnson continues to impress. He's done better than anyone could have imagined, when the Colts took a flier on him and Joe Pa provided a recommendation. With the loss of Booger McFarland, Johnson has been a very fortunate and very welcome addition to the front four as a strong, quick, and disruptive 6-2/296 tackle inside. Keep up the great work, Ed.

Dante Hughes is still a stud in the making, I wouldn't be surprised if starts to push second-year man Tim Jennings for the RCB spot in the Colts' nickel formation (Marlin Jackson slides to the nickel back spot).

LionSmack
09-17-2007, 01:13 PM
Ed Johnson is wow. Just goes to show that when you have tremendous continuity in your coaching staff and core veterans, you can plug in even a young and unhyped guy like that and have success. He is a serious outside candidate for DROY.

Geo
09-17-2007, 01:19 PM
To be fair, if not for Johnson's off-the-field history at Penn State, he very likely would have been drafted (borderline Day One pick?). But the Colts felt that, after assessing him, they could take a chance on him as an UDFA, and Johnson is certainly working on making the most of this opportunity.

He's also reportedly slimmed down a tad since his days at Penn State, where he was already a pretty effective one-gap tackle next to Jay Alford.

datchapin
09-19-2007, 09:29 PM
Amobi Okoye for DROY...... at least so far.... what? Don't look at me like that.

MaxV
09-19-2007, 09:35 PM
As I've mentioned in the Colts forum, Ed Johnson should've had a great college career and he should've been a Day 1 pick.

After he showed flashes in his sophomore year, there were A LOT of expectations on him going into his junior year, until the suspension ended that.

He was his own worst enemy.

Now that he's getting a second chance I hope he keeps out trouble and plays the way he's capable of.

619
09-19-2007, 09:38 PM
Amobi Okoye for DROY...... at least so far.... what? Don't look at me like that.

no dont be scared to say it..remember hes only 20 lol what a phenom!

soybean
09-19-2007, 09:40 PM
how was levi brown looked? i haven't been paying attention.

SeanTaylorRIP
09-20-2007, 01:57 PM
LaRon Landry and Sean Taylor is freaky, will be top safety duo for next 12 years.

Shiver
09-20-2007, 02:00 PM
Justin Blalock has had some struggles, albeit against the Jaguars and Vikings' defensive tackles. He won't face anyone as good as those players from here on in, so I think he'll be fine.

toonsterwu
09-21-2007, 11:15 PM
It's a shame they don't have much else, but Marshawn Lynch has been about as I expected for the Bills. And that is ... a superb fit for Fairchild. If they get that passing game going, Lynch could put up bigger numbers.

Nothing much going on with the Bears. Olsen's back ... so we'll see if he can stretch the seam. Gives the Bears a lot of looks, although he might not get the passes. It'll be interesting to see if Ron Turner starts mixing looks up. If he stretches the seams, Berrian could have better shots at running deep.

Auron
09-21-2007, 11:45 PM
It's a shame they don't have much else, but Marshawn Lynch has been about as I expected for the Bills. And that is ... a superb fit for Fairchild. If they get that passing game going, Lynch could put up bigger numbers.


Good point. On a side note what the heck is going on with Lee Evans? Through 2 games he only has 4 receptions, for 22 yards, 0 TDs. I guess Defenses are just absolutely, doubling him at all costs and forcing some of their other WRs to step up. and thereby Losman's crutch has been taken away.

Flyboy
09-21-2007, 11:51 PM
I still feel that Lynch > Peterson.

Woody56
09-21-2007, 11:56 PM
The Jets veterans have a nickname for Revis already, "baby lockdown". Neither the Pats or Ravens threw at him because of his great coverage skills and he has shown superb tackling for a CB. It's safe to say the guy is going to be a stud.

bigbluedefense
09-22-2007, 12:38 AM
The Jets veterans have a nickname for Revis already, "baby lockdown". Neither the Pats or Ravens threw at him because of his great coverage skills and he has shown superb tackling for a CB. It's safe to say the guy is going to be a stud.

Absolutely. Revis is already kicking major ass. Dammit, Im so mad at the Jets for moving up and getting him. We wouldve got him if it wasn't for that.

toonsterwu
09-22-2007, 01:06 AM
I still feel that Lynch > Peterson.

Same here ... I still believe Lynch will have the better career long run. Now ... who might have the better individual season? Perhaps Peterson. But if I'm putting my money on career ... I'm still going with Lynch.

Geo
09-22-2007, 01:09 AM
Absolutely. Revis is already kicking major ass. Dammit, Im so mad at the Jets for moving up and getting him. We wouldve got him if it wasn't for that.
Revis wouldn't have reached the Giants' pick, unless you mean/think the Giants would have traded up?

LonghornsLegend
09-22-2007, 02:04 AM
Dante Hughes is still a stud in the making, I wouldn't be surprised if starts to push second-year man Tim Jennings for the RCB spot in the Colts' nickel formation (Marlin Jackson slides to the nickel back spot).


i thought his name was dameion hughes?

Geo
09-22-2007, 02:23 AM
It is, Daymeion Hughes. But since joining the Colts, for whatever his reason(s), he asked to go by Dante Hughes.

If memory serves correct, Dante is his middle name which has been/is commonly used by his family and friends.

Addict
09-22-2007, 05:26 AM
It is, Daymeion Hughes. But since joining the Colts, for whatever his reason(s), he asked to go by Dante Hughes.

If memory serves correct, Dante is his middle name which has been/is commonly used by his family and friends.

Daymeion is a stupid name, plus Danté is an artists name, so I understand why he'd prefer it.

doingthisinsteadofwork
09-22-2007, 09:32 AM
Jay Richardson may start this week.

619
09-22-2007, 09:52 AM
Jay Richardson may start this week.

o nice what a pleasant surprise this 5th round pick has been for the raiders.
i admit i didnt expect much out of him when they drafted him and now hes starting and hoping to build off his solid preseason.

PoopSandwich
09-22-2007, 10:25 AM
Amobi Okoye for DROY...... at least so far.... what? Don't look at me like that.

I loved the pick and was shocked that most people hated it including the media... Throwing Amobi on a line with Mario is just sickeningly good.

Also, some people thought Joe Thomas was bad against Pittsburgh and I stuck by my guns and said it was more on Frye, and we gave up 0 sacks on Sunday, and on the play DA fumbled, it was from Kevin Shaffer's side.

21ST
09-22-2007, 11:30 AM
Jay Richardson may start this week.

I had wanted the redskins to draft him so bad, he looks like he is gonna be pretty good.

YAYareaRB
09-22-2007, 12:26 PM
Paul Posluszny had 10 tackles 9 solo. 0 sacks. That's pretty damn good, he'll probably be DROY.

Is Patrick Willis out for the season?

Green Bay Scat
09-22-2007, 12:30 PM
i thought jay shoulda been a day 1 pick, he just had some triangle numbers, plus he could fit in multipul formations, and do well. i dont ever think hes gonna have like 15 sacks, maybe not ever 10, but hes gonna be great against the run, and nutralize whoevers running to his side

HoopsDemon12
09-22-2007, 01:05 PM
Is Patrick Willis out for the season?

I think its gonan be closer than you guys think for D ROY.. it will coem down to Puz and P- Willy.. i think both will have agreat career though

619
09-22-2007, 01:53 PM
i thought jay shoulda been a day 1 pick, he just had some triangle numbers, plus he could fit in multipul formations, and do well. i dont ever think hes gonna have like 15 sacks, maybe not ever 10, but hes gonna be great against the run, and nutralize whoevers running to his side

makes u appreciate guys like michael strahan even more when they are talented enough to do both so very well

Bills2083
09-22-2007, 02:42 PM
i thought jay shoulda been a day 1 pick, he just had some triangle numbers, plus he could fit in multipul formations, and do well. i dont ever think hes gonna have like 15 sacks, maybe not ever 10, but hes gonna be great against the run, and nutralize whoevers running to his side

What round was he drafted in?

619
09-22-2007, 03:11 PM
What round was he drafted in?

5th round steal

Bills2083
09-22-2007, 05:39 PM
Marshawn Lynch has been a pleasant surprise so far. He never goes down upon initial contact, and his feet are always moving. I recall one run vs. th Steelers, and he had 3 or 4 guys on him, and he dragged them for an extra 3 yards. He's a good receiver and he doesn't dance behind the line too much (unlike McGahee)

It seems as if Posluszny is around every single tackle. He's great in run-support, and hes pretty good in coverage. He's tied for 3rd in the NFL with 22 tackles.

Trent Edwards was very impressive in the preseason. He has yet to play a down in the regular season though.

Dwayne Wright was also impressive in Preseason. I don't believe he's played a down in the regular season yet.

John Wendling and Derek Schouman havent played in the regular season yet. CJ Ah You was cut.

doingthisinsteadofwork
09-22-2007, 05:45 PM
i thought jay shoulda been a day 1 pick, he just had some triangle numbers, plus he could fit in multipul formations, and do well. i dont ever think hes gonna have like 15 sacks, maybe not ever 10, but hes gonna be great against the run, and nutralize whoevers running to his side
Hes certainly proven to be better than Quentin Moses was.

Bills2083
09-22-2007, 05:47 PM
Hes certainly proven to be better than Quentin Moses was.


What were some of the knocks on Richardson, coming out of College?

PoopSandwich
09-22-2007, 05:53 PM
Quinn is doing the best clipboard holding in the league.

doingthisinsteadofwork
09-22-2007, 05:58 PM
I didnt see to much of Richardson in college.But I believe the biggest knock on him was that he didnt have a good pass rush.Or his stats didnt show he did.His 40 time was nothing special either.

Race for the Heisman
09-23-2007, 01:21 AM
Richardson was only a one year starter, so there wasn't much to read into beyond the tape. Obviously 16 games is good, but most people seem to think an elite (not that Jay is 'elite') talent will have at least 30+ games to be evaluated on.

soybean
09-23-2007, 03:10 AM
Is Patrick Willis out for the season?

that post was made before the niners, cardinals game. :D

Geo
09-23-2007, 10:21 AM
Per rotoworld (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=4154):

JaMarcus Russell reportedly weighed in at 278 pounds when he showed up to the Raiders after signing his $61 million rookie contract.
Wow. Russell made headlines at the Combine for weighing in at 265, which was slightly heavier than his playing weight at LSU. He was also said to have ballooned to 300+ during his early college days. With weight to shed and an offense to learn, don't count on Russell getting playing time soon.

Source: Fox Sports (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7255180?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=4973)

Smokey Joe
09-23-2007, 10:25 AM
looks like Greg Olsen will make his NFL regular season debut tonight.

Addict
09-23-2007, 10:28 AM
Per rotoworld (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=4154):

JaMarcus Russell reportedly weighed in at 278 pounds when he showed up to the Raiders after signing his $61 million rookie contract.
Wow. Russell made headlines at the Combine for weighing in at 265, which was slightly heavier than his playing weight at LSU. He was also said to have ballooned to 300+ during his early college days. With weight to shed and an offense to learn, don't count on Russell getting playing time soon.

Source: Fox Sports (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7255180?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=4973)

That's great news... if he busts as a QB they can always try him out on the O-Line.

Calvin Johnson is gonna have 17 rec, 250 yds AND 3 touchdowns, just like in my lions franchise!

Bills2083
09-23-2007, 10:40 AM
Per rotoworld (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=4154):

JaMarcus Russell reportedly weighed in at 278 pounds when he showed up to the Raiders after signing his $61 million rookie contract.
Wow. Russell made headlines at the Combine for weighing in at 265, which was slightly heavier than his playing weight at LSU. He was also said to have ballooned to 300+ during his early college days. With weight to shed and an offense to learn, don't count on Russell getting playing time soon.

Source: Fox Sports (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7255180?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=4973)

He is massive. He's going to be a load to bring down.

ATLDirtyBirds
09-23-2007, 10:47 AM
Per rotoworld (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=4154):

JaMarcus Russell reportedly weighed in at 278 pounds when he showed up to the Raiders after signing his $61 million rookie contract.
Wow. Russell made headlines at the Combine for weighing in at 265, which was slightly heavier than his playing weight at LSU. He was also said to have ballooned to 300+ during his early college days. With weight to shed and an offense to learn, don't count on Russell getting playing time soon.

Source: Fox Sports (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7255180?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=4973)


Ouch. Not hard to guess what he was doing while the team was in TC.

ccB
09-23-2007, 01:28 PM
Yamon Figurs just got his first TD on a beautiful punt return. :)

skinzzfan25
09-23-2007, 01:39 PM
Yamon Figurs just got his first TD on a beautiful punt return. :)

I saw that, it was nice.

But with 4.2 speed, you knew it was coming eventually.

Im_a_Romosexual
09-23-2007, 02:02 PM
Calvin Johnson left todays game with an injury to his back(I think his back, I wasnt paying attention)

BUTerriers
09-23-2007, 03:50 PM
You have to love Figurs playing the exact same role as Ted Ginn Jr., only doing in much better and for much less money...

Flyboy
09-23-2007, 03:51 PM
Patrick Willis continues to impress the hell out of me.

T-RICH49
09-23-2007, 03:54 PM
Dwayne Bowe is a BEAST!

Bills2083
09-23-2007, 04:01 PM
Posluszny breaks his forearm. Out indefinitley.

I can't access Edwards/Wrights/Lynch's stats from the game. But I do know that Lynch had a great td run.

MaxV
09-23-2007, 04:10 PM
Damn, this is bad news for Poz and his team. He would've had a GREAT season.

Flyboy
09-23-2007, 04:21 PM
Dwayne Bowe is a BEAST!

Yeah, he really is. KC finally has a legit #1 WR.

Yung Flippa
09-23-2007, 05:16 PM
You have to love Figurs playing the exact same role as Ted Ginn Jr., only doing in much better and for much less money...

Exactly,
Yamo Figurs > Ted Ginn.

Addict
09-23-2007, 05:23 PM
Calvin Johnson caught two amazing passes and then got hurt

Mr. Stiller
09-23-2007, 05:33 PM
1) Lawrence Timmons ~ Hasn't played much regular time but is looking damn good on ST's. Has been in on nearly Every single Tackle. Not to mention he plays Gunner on PR's.

2) LaMarr Woodley ~ Is doing very well. 7 solo tackles and 2 sacks in limited playing time. As the season progresses he should see more PT.

3) Matt Spaeth ~ Only 2 receptions, but both were for Td's. Not bad having a rookie TE with 2 TD' catches in the first 2 games of the season. He was out because of injury against SF.

4a) Daniel Sepulveda ~ Only averaging 38.7 Yards a Kick, but thats for Stellar Offensive play. After 9 kicks, He hasn't had 1 kick Returned, so his Gross and Net Average is equal. and of those 9 kicks 7 were I20, 6 were I10.

4B) Ryan McBean ~ On the PS, they're hoping he bulks up and becomes like Aaron Smith.

5a) Cameron Stephenson ~ Cut. looked OK but he didn't have it.

5B) William *** ~ Made it over Coclough to the Active Roster. Is the Gunner and is a heck of a coverage man. He sealed every single Pre-season win with an INT, FF or FR.

7) Dallas Baker ~ Practices Squad.. Though I wish they would've put someone else like Fowler or Jones.

Sniper
09-23-2007, 06:07 PM
Exactly,
Yamo Figurs > Ted Ginn.

Remember when I said Steve Breaston was a better value pick than Ginn for the position/production and all the Ohio State fans went batshit on this board?

Breaston: 4 KR for 96 yards 24.0 ypr 6 PR for 47 yards 7.8 ypr
Ginn: 12 KR for 271 yards 22.6 ypr 9 PR for 63 yards 7.0 ypr

Granted, Breaston's sample size is smaller, but maybe it turns out I'm not nuts?

ATLDirtyBirds
09-23-2007, 06:12 PM
Exactly,
Yamo Figurs > Ted Ginn.


Yamon Figurs is the man.

Wyndham
09-23-2007, 06:23 PM
D-Bowe has been a stud (the majority of his catches have been impressive grabs), but he really will be limited by the offense he's in. A limp-armed QB and a head coach who doesn't believe in offense/passing.

Second-round pick Turk McBride notched a sack and looked solid. He showed his versatility which is why he was drafted, playing a little left end and also rushing the passer from the DT position on passing downs.

Tank Tyler was solid, if unspectacular, in spot duty.

The two UFA corners were solid for KC. I heard nothing about them when on the field defensively (which can only be a good thing), and Patterson had a real nice hit after good coverage on special teams.

BUTerriers
09-23-2007, 09:06 PM
Who would you go with for Offensive/Defensive/Special Teams ROY so far?

Offensive - Adrian Peterson MIN
Already looks like a top 10 back, though carving up the Detroit and KC defenses isn't exactly the hardest thing in the world to do. Calvin Johnson is in a close second, hopefully he gets back from his injury soon. Bowe and Lynch could both challenge, especially if Taylor's role is increased.

Defensive - Patrick Willis SF
The entire 49er defensive struggled this week, but he's been absolutely dominant so far. Poz, Okoye, Beason, and Landry have all looked good, but Willis looks like he will be a truly special player.

Special Teams - Mason Crosby GB
Looking like he will turn out to be what people wanted Sebastian J to be, without the horrible accuracy and drunk driving. That 50+ yard field goal to win in week 1 was pretty damn sick.

TimD
09-23-2007, 09:48 PM
David Harris messed up Ronnie Brown on that one goal line rush attempt. He just stood him up and said like no.

Sniper
09-23-2007, 10:38 PM
David Harris messed up Ronnie Brown on that one goal line rush attempt. He just stood him up and said like no.

That's what Dave Harris does

LionSmack
09-23-2007, 10:42 PM
Offensive - Adrian Peterson MIN
Already looks like a top 10 back, though carving up the Detroit and KC defenses isn't exactly the hardest thing in the world to do.

AD didn't carve the Lions defense up. He went 20 for 66 and caught 4 passes for 52. Decent day but not dominating.

Nitschke-Hawk
09-23-2007, 10:52 PM
James Jones pwns.

BUTerriers
09-23-2007, 11:20 PM
I apologize, I meant to write the Atlanta and KC defenses.

M.O.T.H.
09-23-2007, 11:23 PM
Nick Folk is a stud.

Anthony Spencer got his first career sack tonight...the first of many.

draftguru151
09-23-2007, 11:36 PM
David Harris messed up Ronnie Brown on that one goal line rush attempt. He just stood him up and said like no.

Yea, I didn't get to see it but my friend watching it told me he jacked him up.

Dolfan2788
09-24-2007, 01:12 AM
Remember when I said Steve Breaston was a better value pick than Ginn for the position/production and all the Ohio State fans went batshit on this board?

Breaston: 4 KR for 96 yards 24.0 ypr 6 PR for 47 yards 7.8 ypr
Ginn: 12 KR for 271 yards 22.6 ypr 9 PR for 63 yards 7.0 ypr

Granted, Breaston's sample size is smaller, but maybe it turns out I'm not nuts?


I'm going to love when Ginn has the chance to beat out Booker or Chambers next year in preseason and Cam really starts to get him involved in the offense.

Then I can PM you and you can eat some very humble pie.

I can't believe people are actually thinking that you can evaluate rookies after 3 games...

Crazy_Chris
09-24-2007, 02:28 AM
I apologize, I meant to write the Atlanta and KC defenses.

You under estimate the Chiefs defense its nothing special but they do have a good defense

bored of education
09-24-2007, 07:43 AM
Dwayne Bowe looking like the best rookie WR.

Bills2083
09-24-2007, 07:51 AM
What are Bowe's stats so far?

T-RICH49
09-24-2007, 08:29 AM
Dwyane Bowe: 10 Rec, 135 yards and 2 TD's

Sniper
09-24-2007, 08:41 AM
I'm going to love when Ginn has the chance to beat out Booker or Chambers next year in preseason and Cam really starts to get him involved in the offense.

Then I can PM you and you can eat some very humble pie.

I can't believe people are actually thinking that you can evaluate rookies after 3 games...

Do you understand what a "value pick" means? For the 9th overall pick and all the money he's making, I would sure as ******* hell hope he'd be given a chance to beat out Booker and Chambers? 9 seems a little high for a punt/kick returner alone, so he better damn well have a shot at receiving (not that he's good at it). For the fact that Breaston was chosen much later in the draft and will probably produce equally as far as the return game, Steve Breaston was a better VALUE pick in terms of the production to expectations/money ratio.

Addict
09-24-2007, 09:23 AM
I'm going to love when Ginn has the chance to beat out Booker or Chambers next year in preseason and Cam really starts to get him involved in the offense.

Then I can PM you and you can eat some very humble pie.

I can't believe people are actually thinking that you can evaluate rookies after 3 games...

You're just bitter because Ginn Jr. SUCKS

Vikes99ej
09-24-2007, 09:31 AM
Adrian Peterson: 64 rushes for 271 yards, 1 TD
8 receptions for 160 yards, 1 TD

Sidney Rice: 4 receptions for 31 yards

Marcus McCauley: 10 total tackles

Brian Robison: 4 tackles, 2 sacks

TacticaLion
09-24-2007, 11:22 AM
Dwayne Bowe looking like the best rookie WR.Wow... quite the statement.

How, exactly?

Calvin Johnson - 10 Rec, 189 Yds, 18.9 Avg, 2 TDs

Dwayne Bowe - 10 Rec, 135 Yds, 13.5 Avg, 2 TDs

The stats are close, but how is he looking like the best rookie WR?

ccB
09-24-2007, 11:24 AM
Wow... quite the statement.

How, exactly?

Calvin Johnson - 10 Rec, 189 Yds, 18.9 Avg, 2 TDs

Dwayne Bowe - 10 Rec, 135 Yds, 13.5 Avg, 2 TDs

The stats are close, but how is he looking like the best rookie WR?

Agreed, I think Calvin is clearly the top dog but Bowe has been looking very impressive as well.

TacticaLion
09-24-2007, 11:46 AM
Agreed, I think Calvin is clearly the top dog but Bowe has been looking very impressive as well.
Don't get me wrong... Bowe has had a great season and is looking good. I just don't see what makes him better than CJ.

T-RICH49
09-24-2007, 12:09 PM
I'm a KC fan and agree CJ is best but Bowe is definatly proving so far to be the next best WR in this class.He has made outstanding and tough grabs and is hampered by Herm Edwards as his HC

bored of education
09-24-2007, 12:31 PM
Put Bowe on a team with an offense, quarterback, HC, Off, Coord. and he'd have Chad Johnson type stats

bigbluedefense
09-24-2007, 12:34 PM
Amobi Okeye has 3 sacks already. He's definately benefitting from the double teams Mario gets, but he's still firing the gap very effectively regardless. Both look like and are playing like beasts right now.

The LB war right now is between Willis, Poz and Beason. Woodley has an outside chance.

Offense is really between Johnson and Peterson right now. I think Peterson will be a top 3 RB in the league by his 2nd season. I like him that much. For all the hype McFadden is getting, Peterson to me is clearly a better NFL RB than McFadden. Thats how highly I think of him.

bored of education
09-24-2007, 12:37 PM
Marshawn has done well against some solid D's and not having a pass attack.

bored of education
09-24-2007, 12:37 PM
Puz out for the season?

Geo
09-24-2007, 12:39 PM
Fwiw, Okoye's sack yesterday was a coverage sack, really. Third down and goal, Manning didn't want to throw a pick and took the sack.

But he's looking very good. I liked him a whole lot as a prospect, but I didn't think he'd be playing this well so early.

PACKmanN
09-24-2007, 12:45 PM
I'm a KC fan and agree CJ is best but Bowe is definatly proving so far to be the next best WR in this class.He has made outstanding and tough grabs and is hampered by Herm Edwards as his HC

James Jones is not letting you say that without a fight.

bigbluedefense
09-24-2007, 12:48 PM
Marshawn has done well against some solid D's and not having a pass attack.

Very true. Him and Peterson both.

SuperMcGee
09-24-2007, 01:00 PM
Marshawn has done well against some solid D's and not having a pass attack.

We've faced the top 3 defenses in the league in terms of yardage :/ (we play a large part in that)

Can't wait to see what he does against the Jets. Also another name to add to the thread for that game with Edwards getting his first start.

Scotty D
09-24-2007, 01:03 PM
We've faced the top 3 defenses in the league in terms of yardage :/ (we play a large part in that)

Can't wait to see what he does against the Jets. Also another name to add to the thread for that game with Edwards getting his first start.

I'm excited to see how Edwards does in his first start. Buffalo does have some nice young pieces to bad Poz got hurt.

Freddy G
09-24-2007, 01:15 PM
Joe Thomas- looks like the stud everyone thought he would be (exception being the Pitt game).

Brady Quinn- sexy as ever holding that clipboard

Eric Wright- He is getting picked on and his rookieness shows, hopefully he comes around soon (a consistan pass rush would help a lot though).

Notredameleo
09-24-2007, 01:27 PM
Any news on CJ?

Nitschke-Hawk
09-24-2007, 01:38 PM
On the highlights I saw of Adrian Peterson of the play before the TD run and the TD run, he reminded me of LT more than anything. I don't think he'll get quite the stats LT has, but I think his style is really similar at the NFL level, put into a taller running stance, and with more power.

But of course if we held LT to 95 total yards and a TD on 25 touches on Sunday I think we definitely can do better against Peterson this weekend.

DMWSackMachine
09-24-2007, 02:41 PM
This might seem a tad overdone, but I'll tell you right now who Peterson reminds me off when I see him run--and this is not to say he is on, or is going to be on the same level--Jim Brown.

That is pretty high praise, indeed, but he runs with the same mixture of ferocity and speed that Brown had, and there is something about his body language that puts me in mind of JB. Sounds a bit crazy, I know, but there it is.

Anyway, update on Anthony Spencer here. He got his first sack last night, and he is starting to make some serious strides. I can't emphasize enough just how much better he looks now than he did week 1 of the preseason (and he was rumored to look even worse at the start of TC). He really does possess impressive physical tools, but he seems to be more aware of where he is on the field, and what he has to do. He also is starting to show his array of pass rush moves. You can tell that he is a natural in that department. If he continues this learning curve, you can expect to be hearing him singled out for some spotlight time before the end of the year, and he might make some DROY noise, too.

LonghornsLegend
09-24-2007, 02:44 PM
James Jones is not letting you say that without a fight.

neither is jacoby jones, before he got hurt yesterday he was looking so explosive it was ridiculous...i think he could of been even better with A Johnson in there but both guys are hurt now...


best wr im going with bowe, the man is huge, great hands, and redzone leaping ability is outstanding...if Lj actually got going somewhat, bowe could do even better

Freddy G
09-24-2007, 02:52 PM
This might seem a tad overdone, but I'll tell you right now who Peterson reminds me off when I see him run--and this is not to say he is on, or is going to be on the same level--Jim Brown.

That is pretty high praise, indeed, but he runs with the same mixture of ferocity and speed that Brown had, and there is something about his body language that puts me in mind of JB. Sounds a bit crazy, I know, but there it is.

Anyway, update on Anthony Spencer here. He got his first sack last night, and he is starting to make some serious strides. I can't emphasize enough just how much better he looks now than he did week 1 of the preseason (and he was rumored to look even worse at the start of TC). He really does possess impressive physical tools, but he seems to be more aware of where he is on the field, and what he has to do. He also is starting to show his array of pass rush moves. You can tell that he is a natural in that department. If he continues this learning curve, you can expect to be hearing him singled out for some spotlight time before the end of the year, and he might make some DROY noise, too.


Yeppers, us clevelanders have been making the comparison for some time. Not to anoint him of course, but i firmly believe that Jim Brown is the closest comparison for Peterson...but with some Dickerson mixed in. Peterson isn't quite the tank Brown was, but he may be more explosive so....

But yeah, Peterson is probably the closest thing to him (potential wise) to date.

P-L
09-24-2007, 03:00 PM
I'm a KC fan and agree CJ is best but Bowe is definatly proving so far to be the next best WR in this class.He has made outstanding and tough grabs and is hampered by Herm Edwards as his HCI really liked Bowe coming out. He was definitely my #2 receiver in this past draft. I also recall saying something along the lines of "While I certainly don't expect it [because of Calvin], I would not be at all surprised if Bowe ended up being the best receiver from this class."

Turtlepower
09-24-2007, 03:03 PM
I would say receiver instincts wise, Bowe is better than CJ.

ironman4579
09-24-2007, 03:12 PM
Rookie stat leaders(top 5) per NFL.com

Rushing Attempts
1.Adrian Peterson-64
2.Marshawn Lynch-57
3.Brandon Jackson-38
4.DeShawn Wynn-13
5.Selvin Young-7

Rushing Yards
1.Adrian Peterson-271
2.Marshawn Lynch-228
3.Brandon Jackson-97
4.DeSawn Wynn-67
5.Selvin Young-57

Rushing Touchdowns
1.Marshawn Lynch-2
2.DeSawn Wynn-2
3.Tony Hunt-1
4.Brandon Jackson-1
5.Adrian Peterson-1

Receptions
1.James Jones-14
2.Brandon Jackson-11
3.Dwayne Bowe-10
4.Calvin Johnson-10
5.Adrian Peterson-8

Receiving Yards
1.Calvin Johnson-189
2.James Jones-183
3.Adrian Peterson-160
4.Dwayne Bowe-135
5.Anthony Gonzalez-88

Receiving Touchdowns
1.Dwayne Bowe-2
2.Calvin Johnson-2
3.Matt Spaeth-2
4.John Broussard-1
5.Craig Davis-1
6.Adrian Peterson-1

Sacks
1.Amobi Okoye-3
2.Brian Robison-2
3.Clifton Ryan-2
4.LaMarr Woodley-2
5.7 others tied with 1

Tackles
1.Paul Posluszny-26
2.Patrick Willis-26
3.LaRon Landry-22
4.Darrelle Revis-21
5.Eric Wright-20

Passes Defensed
1.Leon Hall-4
2.Gerald Alexander-3
3.Marcus Thomas-2

Interceptions
1.Gerald Alexander-1
2.Leon Hall-1
3.Marcus Thomas-1

Forced Fumbles
1.Reggie Nelson-2
2.Clifton Ryan-2
3.Tyron Brackenridge-1
4.Keyunta Dawson-1
5.Leon Hall-1
6.Michael Johnson-1
7.Jarvis Moss-1
8.Amobi Okoye-1
9.Patrick Willis-1

Fumble Recoveries
1.Clifton Ryan-1

Shiver
09-24-2007, 03:59 PM
Paul Posluszny is on IR.

SuperMcGee
09-24-2007, 04:39 PM
Paul Posluszny is on IR.

Lame, same thing as Webster (except this one actually hurts). I was hoping we'd keep Poz and he'd be back later in the year, but we were already carrying two LBs out for extended time with Ellison and Wire.

M.O.T.H.
09-24-2007, 04:43 PM
Brion Leonard will make his first career start against Dallas this week. Jackson is out w/ a groin injury.

Bills2083
09-24-2007, 04:56 PM
He was only supposed to be out for 8 weeks. I don't see why we didn't keep him on the roster

TacticaLion
09-24-2007, 08:02 PM
Put Bowe on a team with an offense, quarterback, HC, Off, Coord. and he'd have Chad Johnson type stats
Fun fun fun... the "lets play imagination and prove me wrong" game. Gotchya. Good one.

If you could magically put both Bowe and CJ on the exact same team for the exact same season, playing the exact same role, can you really say that Bowe would outperform CJ? I know you'll say yes, so how? Any hints, clues or reasons?

This game is fun. Kinda like that one game where you said Al Davis would NEVER draft a 1st round QB because "it's just not the way he drafts". I love these games.

Wyndham
09-25-2007, 07:43 AM
If you could magically put both Bowe and CJ on the exact same team for the exact same season, playing the exact same role, can you really say that Bowe would outperform CJ?

He didn’t say that. Frankly, he didn’t even insinuate it.

Quite clearly, he’s suggesting that the Chiefs’ awful QB and offensive scheme, nevermind invisible running game, is hampering Dwayne Bowe’s ability to produce – and it is. It’s not an excuse for Bowe, because he’s playing lights-out, and it’s not to say that he’d outperform every other rookie, although he might, but if you watch the Chiefs, you’d have an appreciation for Bowe’s numbers a lot more than if you were to simply look at the numbers.

Catching balls in a Herm Edwards offense is a lot rarer and more difficult than in a Mike Martz offense.

I don’t think any WR in this class is on the same level as Calvin Johnson. But I certainly think that Bowe could have better numbers than he currently does if he was in Calvin Johnson’s position.

bored of education
09-25-2007, 08:00 AM
thank you Wyndham. He clearly understood what game I was playing

TacticaLion
09-25-2007, 09:26 AM
He didn’t say that. Frankly, he didn’t even insinuate it.

Quite clearly, he’s suggesting that the Chiefs’ awful QB and offensive scheme, nevermind invisible running game, is hampering Dwayne Bowe’s ability to produce – and it is. It’s not an excuse for Bowe, because he’s playing lights-out, and it’s not to say that he’d outperform every other rookie, although he might, but if you watch the Chiefs, you’d have an appreciation for Bowe’s numbers a lot more than if you were to simply look at the numbers.

Catching balls in a Herm Edwards offense is a lot rarer and more difficult than in a Mike Martz offense.

I don’t think any WR in this class is on the same level as Calvin Johnson. But I certainly think that Bowe could have better numbers than he currently does if he was in Calvin Johnson’s position.First comment:
Dwayne Bowe looking like the best rookie WR.
Second comment:
Put Bowe on a team with an offense, quarterback, HC, Off, Coord. and he'd have Chad Johnson type stats
I questioned his first comment, considering that CJ and Bowe have nearly the same stats (CJ has more yards)... and the second comment was made. So, if he thinks that Dwayne Bowe is looking like the best rookie WR, and he'd have "Chad Johnson" stats if in an ideal situation, what does that say about his first comment? That he'd have better stats than CJ if in an ideal situation.

Think about it: what players wouldn't have "Chad Johnson" type stats if in an ideal situation? A lot of the rookie WRs would probably have great numbers if they had an offense, quarterback, HC and Off Coord. Which is why the comment was pointless... an imagination game that no one can prove.

Lets go back to the first comment, though... hey, "bored of education"... do you only watch Chief games or have you not watched CJ play this year? How'd you come to that conclusion?

bored of education
09-25-2007, 09:33 AM
I have watched Calvin Johnson play this year. He has played well. The value Calvin Johnson has to his team is not as great as the overall value that Dwayne Bowe has had with his team. Both have solid stats, CJ may have a few more yards than Bowe, but the impact that Bowe has played on the team has accounted for a greater % of the teams receiving stats, and Bowe's success had a direct impact on the team's lone victory. Value, and overall stats are not one in the same, and value wise I think Bowe has been a better WR.

Does that help? Any other questions?

kmartin575
09-25-2007, 11:01 AM
I apologize, I meant to write the Atlanta and KC defenses.

You mean that KC defense that is pretty damn good this year? Why is it that people keep saying KC has a bad defense without having a clue about what they are talking about?

kmartin575
09-25-2007, 11:04 AM
Don't get me wrong... Bowe has had a great season and is looking good. I just don't see what makes him better than CJ.

Because CJ is in an offensive system that inflates passing numbers. He also has Roy Williams opposite of him to take some of the pressure off of him. Who does Bowe have opposite of him? Samie Parker. 'nuff said. Bowe would be putting up just as good of numbers if he was in Detroit's offense.

kmartin575
09-25-2007, 11:06 AM
James Jones is not letting you say that without a fight.

Brett Favre throwing the ball to Jones...

Compared to Damon freaking Huard throwing the ball to Bowe.

TacticaLion
09-25-2007, 12:10 PM
I have watched Calvin Johnson play this year. He has played well. The value Calvin Johnson has to his team is not as great as the overall value that Dwayne Bowe has had with his team. Both have solid stats, CJ may have a few more yards than Bowe, but the impact that Bowe has played on the team has accounted for a greater % of the teams receiving stats, and Bowe's success had a direct impact on the team's lone victory. Value, and overall stats are not one in the same, and value wise I think Bowe has been a better WR.

Does that help? Any other questions?Calvin Johnson's value to his team has nothing to do with how well he has played. You didn't say that Bowe was looking like the most valuable rookie WR, but the best rookie WR.
Dwayne Bowe looking like the best rookie WR.Now that you'd like to say that "value wise", Bowe has been a better WR... you're right. He has. Why? The Lions have 3 other great WRs, whereas the Chiefs really have no one else. That doesn't make Bowe a better WR, but makes him a more valuable WR to his team. There's a difference...

Because CJ is in an offensive system that inflates passing numbers. He also has Roy Williams opposite of him to take some of the pressure off of him. Who does Bowe have opposite of him? Samie Parker. 'nuff said. Bowe would be putting up just as good of numbers if he was in Detroit's offense.Nope.

CJ is in an offensive system that inflates passing numbers? How does that make Bowe look like the best rookie WR? It's irrelevant which system they play when arguing whose best... they have the same number of catches and TDs but CJ has more yards. The offensive system says nothing about their talent.

Oh... and your argument with Samie Parker works completely against you. CJ "has Roy Williams opposite of him to take some of the pressure off of him"? Yep. He also has Mike Furrey and McDonald taking playing time (and opportunities) away from him, whereas Bowe is an important target on his offense. How can you say that CJ wouldn't have more/better numbers being in Bowe's situation? You can't.

Bowe would be putting up just as good of numbers if he was in Detroit's offense.Just as good of numbers? Wait. You just argued that CJ's offense is a big reason for his success ("inflated passing numbers")... now can say that Bowe would be putting up just as good of numbers as CJ in Detroit's offense. Ok. The original point of this conversation was that "boe" said that Bowe is looking like the best rookie WR. If Bowe had "just as good of numbers", that still wouldn't prove or disprove that statement... which makes your comment pointless to the conversation.

bored of education
09-25-2007, 12:25 PM
In the offense the Lions run, numbers are not taken away by those other receivers..i think they are actually inflated do the the system.

Scotty D
09-25-2007, 12:26 PM
In the offense the Lions run, numbers are not taken away by those other receivers..i think they are actually inflated do the the system.

Shaun McDonald's numbers are the ones inflated.

TacticaLion
09-25-2007, 12:30 PM
The Lions' passing numbers are inflated... yet they have more receivers to spread the numbers around to. Interesting. In other words, it has nothing to do with the overall talent of CJ (or Bowe).

Good. Just wanted to clear that up.

bored of education
09-25-2007, 12:46 PM
gotcha TL. A lil misunderstanding wording wise.

TacticaLion
09-25-2007, 12:47 PM
A little more information about the "inflated passing numbers" comment.

Lions' Receivers (10 or more receptions):
Roy Williams - 20 receptions
Shaun McDonald - 18 receptions
Mike Furrey - 15 receptions
Tatum Bell - 13 receptions
Calvin Johnson - 10 receptions

Chiefs' Receivers (10 or more receptions):
Tony Gonzalez - 16 receptions
Larry Johnson - 11 receptions
Dwayne Bowe - 10 receptions

So, for how "inflated" the Lions' passing numbers are, they pass more but to different receivers on a regular basis. If anything, this hurts CJ more than it helps him.

bored of education
09-25-2007, 12:49 PM
But the deflated numbers of the entire Chiefs O due to ****** QB, a game plan, no line prevents Dwayne from getting numbers as well.

Scotty D
09-25-2007, 12:51 PM
I don't think Bowe is going to be getting "pity" points.

TacticaLion
09-25-2007, 12:53 PM
But the deflated numbers of the entire Chiefs O due to ****** QB, a game plan, no line prevents Dwayne from getting numbers as well.True.

So, in other words, one offense isn't really helping one WR more than the other. The Detroit offense passes more, but passes more to various receivers. The Chiefs offense passes less, but to fewer receivers.

Which makes Bowe more valuable to his offense, but both receivers are close to even in terms of performance and production.

That makes sense.

bored of education
09-25-2007, 12:54 PM
I'm not. He is going to get realistic points. The dude's skills set/statistics is hampered more by the inconsistancies and terribleness of the offensive system that KC runs than Calvin's skill set/stats being hampered by the open air offensive system that the Detroit Lions run even with the W.R core they have.

TacticaLion
09-25-2007, 12:58 PM
I'm not. He is going to get realistic points. The dude's skills set/statistics is hampered more by the inconsistancies and terribleness of the offensive system that KC runs than Calvin's skill set/stats being hampered by the open air offensive system that the Detroit Lions run even with the W.R core they have.
I think Bowe benefits more from being a more important target on his team than CJ benefits from being in an offense that passes more.

If there's an injury in Detroit's WR group, CJ will have an advantage. But, there are 4 targets above CJ on the roster... compared to 2 above Bowe.

bored of education
09-25-2007, 01:10 PM
Yes sir. Good talk.

TacticaLion
09-25-2007, 01:15 PM
Yes sir. Good talk.

Agree.

Let me fix something:
Dwayne Bowe looking like the most valuable rookie WR.Ahh... bored of education. That's a good point... and makes sense. Interesting.
There we go.

bored of education
09-25-2007, 01:16 PM
HHHAHAH, sounds good to me

soybean
09-25-2007, 01:56 PM
Fun fun fun... the "lets play imagination and prove me wrong" game. Gotchya. Good one.

If you could magically put both Bowe and CJ on the exact same team for the exact same season, playing the exact same role, can you really say that Bowe would outperform CJ? I know you'll say yes, so how? Any hints, clues or reasons?

This game is fun. Kinda like that one game where you said Al Davis would NEVER draft a 1st round QB because "it's just not the way he drafts". I love these games.

I would actually take bowe over CJ. CJ has everything you look for in a receiver. Speed, size, hands. The reason I would take bowe is because he's more aggressive. I know this really isn't a quantifiable characteristic, but watching both of them play, it seems to me that bowe has more of a passion for the game. I could be wrong but that's just what I see.

I think both Bowe and Santonio Holmes will be 2 of the best receivers in the league in a few years.

EDIT: Greg Jennings too.

bored of education
09-25-2007, 01:57 PM
I would actually take bowe over CJ. CJ has everything you look for in a receiver. Speed, size, hands. The reason I would take bowe is because he's more aggressive. I know this really isn't a quantifiable characteristic, but watching both of them play, it seems to me that bowe has more of a passion for the game. I could be wrong but that's just what I see.

I think both Bowe and Santonio Holmes will be 2 of the best receivers in the league in a few years.

EDIT: Greg Jennings too.

lol nice Edit but Santonio is awesome..when they showed him in his house getting the call from the Stillers I had an accident. I know that Holmes wil be sick dirty nasty ill

soybean
09-25-2007, 02:02 PM
Dwayne Jarrett was inactive last weekend because apparently, he's having trouble getting off the line of scrimmage...[sigh]

Bills2083
09-25-2007, 02:19 PM
Dwayne Jarrett was inactive last weekend because apparently, he's having trouble getting off the line of scrimmage...[sigh]

What was the knock on him coming out of USC? Besides that he was too slow, didn't he take plays off and such?

soybean
09-25-2007, 02:37 PM
What was the knock on him coming out of USC? Besides that he was too slow, didn't he take plays off and such?

haha his biggest knock besides his speed was "trouble getting off the line of scrimmage"

soybean
09-25-2007, 02:42 PM
"Who?" Brees said when asked about former University of Tennessee star Robert Meachem, the Saints' first-round pick this year.

Brees didn't seem to be calling out Meachem. An audio problem during a conference call with Nashville media Wednesday more than likely prompted the response.

"He's got a lot of talent, just a raw kind of an athlete. He's the guy who continues to improve every day," Brees said. "We're pretty deep at wide receiver, so there's really no urgency for him to play until he's ready. We're just waiting for that time."

Bills2083
09-25-2007, 02:59 PM
You had me going there for a minute.

Addict
09-25-2007, 03:06 PM
"Who?" Brees said when asked about former University of Tennessee star Robert Meachem, the Saints' first-round pick this year.

Brees didn't seem to be calling out Meachem. An audio problem during a conference call with Nashville media Wednesday more than likely prompted the response.

"He's got a lot of talent, just a raw kind of an athlete. He's the guy who continues to improve every day," Brees said. "We're pretty deep at wide receiver, so there's really no urgency for him to play until he's ready. We're just waiting for that time."

haha nice job on the secret message there.

BUTerriers
09-25-2007, 11:00 PM
You mean that KC defense that is pretty damn good this year? Why is it that people keep saying KC has a bad defense without having a clue about what they are talking about?

They've been torn apart by Schaub, as well as all three backs they've faced, including Cedric Benson, who has looked fairly ordinary this season. They did have 5 sacks against the Vikings and more or less shut down Sexy Rexy (neither of which is too impressive), but too say their defense is "pretty damn good" is a bit of a stretch. Admittedly, their offense has left them out to dry, but I would still call them a bottom 10 defense.

T-RICH49
09-26-2007, 01:13 PM
They've been torn apart by Schaub, as well as all three backs they've faced, including Cedric Benson, who has looked fairly ordinary this season. They did have 5 sacks against the Vikings and more or less shut down Sexy Rexy (neither of which is too impressive), but too say their defense is "pretty damn good" is a bit of a stretch. Admittedly, their offense has left them out to dry, but I would still call them a bottom 10 defense.

look at the stats so far KC is Top TEN in Total D so to call them a bottom 10 D is very inaccurate

bigbluedefense
09-26-2007, 01:20 PM
How's Marcus McCauley doing? If he was available in the 3rd, I wouldve loved for the Giants to nab him. But he was taken 1 pick before us, and we got stuck with Jay Alford :(

Vikes99ej
09-26-2007, 02:10 PM
How's Marcus McCauley doing? If he was available in the 3rd, I wouldve loved for the Giants to nab him. But he was taken 1 pick before us, and we got stuck with Jay Alford :(

He's done OK. He can make some tackles, but it appears at times that he struggles with zone coverage.

bigbluedefense
09-26-2007, 02:16 PM
He's done OK. He can make some tackles, but it appears at times that he struggles with zone coverage.

I didn't get why the Vikes drafted him, I never saw him as a Cover 2 fit. I thought he would be drafted by a man coverage scheme. How does he do in man?

Splat
09-26-2007, 02:19 PM
They've been torn apart by Schaub, as well as all three backs they've faced, including Cedric Benson, who has looked fairly ordinary this season. They did have 5 sacks against the Vikings and more or less shut down Sexy Rexy (neither of which is too impressive), but too say their defense is "pretty damn good" is a bit of a stretch. Admittedly, their offense has left them out to dry, but I would still call them a bottom 10 defense.

The Chiefs D is ranked 4th as of today I would call that pretty good don't let the media tell you want to think have a mind of you own.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=2&statisticCategory=GAME_STATS&conf=ALL&role=OPP

Dam8610
09-26-2007, 02:56 PM
The Chiefs D is ranked 4th as of today

I'd say T-8th (http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats;jsessionid=EF061921115BD4A2854E0B895 5827CE5?offensiveStatisticCategory=null&archive=false&seasonType=REG&defensiveStatisticCategory=SCORING&d-447263-o=1&conference=null&d-447263-s=TOTAL_POINTS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-n=1&season=2007&Submit=Find&tabSeq=2&role=OPP&d-447263-p=1), but that's me.

Turtlepower
09-26-2007, 03:01 PM
I'd say T-8th (http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats;jsessionid=EF061921115BD4A2854E0B895 5827CE5?offensiveStatisticCategory=null&archive=false&seasonType=REG&defensiveStatisticCategory=SCORING&d-447263-o=1&conference=null&d-447263-s=TOTAL_POINTS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-n=1&season=2007&Submit=Find&tabSeq=2&role=OPP&d-447263-p=1), but that's me.

Usually when you look at a defensive's rank it is by total defense and not scoring defense, but they are both equally important stats.

Dam8610
09-26-2007, 03:14 PM
Usually when you look at a defensive's rank it is by total defense and not scoring defense, but they are both equally important stats.

I'd rather keep points off the board than yards, but, again, that's me.

Splat
09-26-2007, 03:57 PM
I'd rather keep points off the board than yards, but, again, that's me.

The most points the Chiefs have gave up on D in a game is 13 they have only gave up 3 TD's all year. The first game the O fumbled and it went for a TD the second game SP teams gave up a TD return can't blame your D for either. The team as a whole has gave up 5 TD's this year the D has only gave up 3 they have gave up one rushing TD and two passing TD's in three games.

http://www.nfl.com/teams/kansascitychiefs/statistics?team=KC

Dam8610
09-26-2007, 07:19 PM
The most points the Chiefs have gave up on D in a game is 13 they have only gave up 3 TD's all year. The first game the O fumbled and it went for a TD the second game SP teams gave up a TD return can't blame your D for either. The team as a whole has gave up 5 TD's this year the D has only gave up 3 they have gave up one rushing TD and two passing TD's in three games.

http://www.nfl.com/teams/kansascitychiefs/statistics?team=KC

I wasn't insulting the Chiefs defense, I was simply stating my opinion that less points > less yards.

Bills2083
09-26-2007, 07:32 PM
How has Brandon Meriweather doing? Is he a starter?

Dam8610
09-26-2007, 07:49 PM
How has Brandon Meriweather doing? Is he a starter?

Not unless he changed his name to Eugene Wilson or James Sanders.

remix 6
09-26-2007, 08:03 PM
How has Brandon Meriweather doing? Is he a starter?

no, hes playing CB/Safety .. good special team player so far but hasnt gotten in much. not his fault..Wilson is doing very well, Sanders earned the spot with good play last year, winning off season award and being a vet.

ironman4579
09-26-2007, 09:17 PM
NFL.com has Meriweather at 9 tackles for the season, nothing else.

Bobo
09-26-2007, 10:28 PM
Micheal Griffin is fast and quick on returns and ST's....and should probably be on the field on D.

Chris Davis can make sick cuts at full speed. He doesn't get much work either.

As of right now, Titans rookies haven't done much of anything.

Sveen
09-27-2007, 06:30 AM
So far our rookies impact has been non-existent.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13060

Gchu83
09-27-2007, 01:43 PM
Good article on Okoye...http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/5168311.html

8 Tackles
3 Sacks (leading all rookies)
1 FF

JagHombre22
09-27-2007, 02:04 PM
The Jaguars rookies have been playing relatively well through the first three weeks...

Reggie Nelson (FS)- 10 tackles, 1 sack, 1 FF
Justin Durant (OLB)- 3 tackles (although he's started the past two games)
John Broussard (WR)- 2 catches for 57 yards, 1 TD
Greg Estandia (TE)- 2 catches for 24 yards (3rd TE on Depth Chart)
Adam Podlesh (P)- 38.0 yard average...he's not doing so well right now...

kmartin575
09-28-2007, 12:06 AM
They've been torn apart by Schaub, as well as all three backs they've faced, including Cedric Benson, who has looked fairly ordinary this season. They did have 5 sacks against the Vikings and more or less shut down Sexy Rexy (neither of which is too impressive), but too say their defense is "pretty damn good" is a bit of a stretch. Admittedly, their offense has left them out to dry, but I would still call them a bottom 10 defense.

How were they torn apart by Schaub? He had one long bomb to Andre Johnson where our young safety bit on the play action fake.

How have we been torn apart by the 3 backs we have faced? We have allowed 3.8 ypc which is below the 4.1 ypc league average.

We have 10 sacks which is one of the highest sack totals in the NFL so far, we have the 5th ranked pass defense, we lead the NFL in forcing negative yards, and our defense is playing remarkably well overall.

How the hell are we a bottom 10 defense? Even last year we were ranked 16th in overall defense and 12th in scoring defense. So now you are trying to suggest we have regressed since last year despite adding more talent? Rediculous.

Your just showing your ignorance by calling them a bottom 10 defense.

kmartin575
09-28-2007, 12:08 AM
I'd say T-8th (http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats;jsessionid=EF061921115BD4A2854E0B895 5827CE5?offensiveStatisticCategory=null&archive=false&seasonType=REG&defensiveStatisticCategory=SCORING&d-447263-o=1&conference=null&d-447263-s=TOTAL_POINTS_GAME_AVG&d-447263-n=1&season=2007&Submit=Find&tabSeq=2&role=OPP&d-447263-p=1), but that's me.

That's scoring defense. But when offenses and defenses are ranked the rankings are done by yards per game and in that stat the Chiefs are ranked 4th.

kmartin575
09-28-2007, 12:11 AM
I wasn't insulting the Chiefs defense, I was simply stating my opinion that less points > less yards.

20 of the points we have given up this season have nothing to do with the defense. Mario Williams returned a fumble for a touchdown against us, although that was ruled later in the week to not be a fumble. In that same game we turned the ball over deep in our territory which led to a guaranteed field goal for the offense. Against Chicago we gave up a return for a touchdown by Devin Hester and later he returned another one deep into our territory which was another guaranteed field goal. So that is 20 points that has nothing to do with our defense. Granted, every team has similar situations but it is still worth noting that our scoring defense rankings are slightly schewed because of those points.