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Ewing
01-16-2007, 03:11 PM
I'm a huge fan of Dawkins myself but Reed seems to get to the ball everytime it's thrown. It's a real tough toss-up for me and I honestly can't decide who is better. What do you guys think?

EdReedUnstoppable
01-16-2007, 03:12 PM
Ed Reed plays or at least linesup at SS for the Ravens, but either way Ed Reed is the best safety in the NFL.

yourfavestoner
01-16-2007, 03:14 PM
It depends on what you qualify as "best." Either way, they're both very special players, and I think it would be unfair to the other one to call one of them the "best."

Ewing
01-16-2007, 03:14 PM
Damnit, I meant to have it just say "S" and not "FS". Can a mod fix that?

Number 10
01-16-2007, 03:16 PM
Two different styles, very different. Dawkins is more of an intimidating force that will cause players to hesitate when they are around him....while Reed is more of a playmaker.

EdReedUnstoppable
01-16-2007, 03:17 PM
Two different styles, very different. Dawkins is more of an intimidating force that will cause players to hesitate when they are around him....while Reed is more of a playmaker.

Reed can bring the pain when he hits also, he just has a slimmer frame then Dawkins.

01-16-2007, 03:17 PM
Two different styles, very different. Dawkins is more of an intimidating force that will cause players to hesitate when they are around him....while Reed is more of a playmaker.basicaly cant add anything else now lol.

bsaza2358
01-16-2007, 03:18 PM
There is also a huge age difference. Dawkins is 33, while Reed is in his mid 20's and is in his prime. You can't really compare them because they are at different stages of their careers. They also play in significantly different schemes.

I would take Dawkins in his prime due to his all around intimidation, but I'm a bit of a homer there. I can't vote, though, because Reed is fantastic.

EdReedUnstoppable
01-16-2007, 03:19 PM
There is also a huge age difference. Dawkins is 33, while Reed is in his mid 20's and is in his prime. You can't really compare them because they are at different stages of their careers. They also play in significantly different schemes.

I would take Dawkins in his prime due to his all around intimidation, but I'm a bit of a homer there. I can't vote, though, because Reed is fantastic.

Reed is actually 28 so he is not as young as some think.

Jango
01-16-2007, 03:19 PM
I couldn't pick which one is the better one, having either one on my Defence would be a massive boost to it and a real addittion.

Both are very special players who play at a consistently high level every time. Like I said, for me it would be a flip of a coin.

Number 10
01-16-2007, 03:22 PM
Two different styles, very different. Dawkins is more of an intimidating force that will cause players to hesitate when they are around him....while Reed is more of a playmaker.

Reed can bring the pain when he hits also, he just has a slimmer frame then Dawkins.

Dawkins is 10 times more physical than Reed....and thats now with a 5 year difference.

Shiver
01-16-2007, 03:25 PM
I love Brian Dawkins, he is number two, but Ed Reed is the best in the league.

Number 10
01-16-2007, 03:27 PM
And by the way....the Eagles hater that I am...I have a ton of respect for Dawkins and the way he plays. Laron Landry reminds me of a young Dawkins, hence why I have been all about him since 2004.

EdReedUnstoppable
01-16-2007, 03:27 PM
And by the way....the Eagles hater that I am...I have a ton of respect for Dawkins and the way he plays. Laron Landry reminds me of a young Dawkins, hence why I have been all about him since 2004.

Dawan Landry is way better than LaRon Landry. 8)

fenikz
01-16-2007, 03:28 PM
Adrian Wilson is the most complete safety in the league

Shiver
01-16-2007, 03:29 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axtcDLC_qdo

Best highlight reel EVER

EdReedUnstoppable
01-16-2007, 03:31 PM
Adrian Wilson is the most complete safety in the league

I disagree, call me a homer but Ed Reed is the most complete, he is the best cover safety and he hits harder than anyone gives him credit for, plus he is a leader!!

Polamalu is also a better and more complete safety than Wilson. I do think Wilson gets looked over by alot of people because he plays for the Cardinals and people forget about him. Wilson is a top 10 safety in the NFL no doubt.

Ewing
01-16-2007, 03:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axtcDLC_qdo

Best highlight reel EVER

I've seen that before; it's freaking awesome.

Woody56
01-16-2007, 03:32 PM
And by the way....the Eagles hater that I am...I have a ton of respect for Dawkins and the way he plays. Laron Landry reminds me of a young Dawkins, hence why I have been all about him since 2004.

Dawan Landry is way better than LaRon Landry. 8)

stat wise its going to be incredibly hard to match Dawan's rookie season for Laron

01-16-2007, 03:35 PM
Adrian Wilson is the most complete safety in the league

I'm going to disagree on that one. Reed is more complete and I'd take him over any safety in the NFL.

Shiver
01-16-2007, 03:37 PM
My Safety rankings;

1. Ed Reed
2. Brian Dawkins
3. Adrian Wilson
4. Bob Sanders
5. Troy Polamalu

frogstomp
01-16-2007, 03:38 PM
My Safety rankings;

1. Ed Reed
2. Brian Dawkins
3. Adrian Wilson
4. Bob Sanders
5. Troy Polamalu

Where's Kerry Rhodes?!

Shiver
01-16-2007, 03:48 PM
He was close, but I just couldn't put him in over Polamalu.

aNYtitan
01-16-2007, 03:54 PM
Last year it was Reed or Polamalu. Now its Dawkins or Reed. I say that Polamamlu is better then Dawkins, but Reed is the best safety in the league. Here is a better question, who is the better player in the secondary?

Ed Reed or Champ Bailey

alca1992
01-16-2007, 03:54 PM
Ed Reed plays or at least linesup at SS for the Ravens, but either way Ed Reed is the best safety in the NFL.

QFT

Don Vito
01-16-2007, 03:59 PM
Reed can play FS well, so it is a legitimate question. They are very similar players in that they are intelligent, have pretty good speed (Reed's a little faster), and can hit like trucks. I have always liked what they bring to their defenses, especially Dawkins because he is one of the best leaders in the game today. Reed would be the leader of the Baltimore D as well, but that is Lewis' job. If you watched Reed ath the U you know he is a great leader.

I give Dawkins the slight edge over Reed, but in a few years when Reed is in his prime, he will be a better player then Dawkins' in his prime.

fenikz
01-16-2007, 04:32 PM
A Dub
4 sacks
4 FF
4 Ints
85 Tackles

Reed
0 sacks
1 FF
5 Ints
60 Tackles

Dawkins
1 sack
5 FF
4 Int
98 Tackles


so its between Dawkins and A Dub for most complete Safety

even though i probally take Reed over both of em

01-16-2007, 04:33 PM
A Dub
4 sacks
4 FF
4 Ints
85 Tackles

Reed
0 sacks
1 FF
5 Ints
60 Tackles

Dawkins
1 sack
5 FF
4 Int
98 Tackles


so its between Dawkins and A Dub for most complete Safety

even though i probally take Reed over both of em

Reed would have a lot more tackles if the Ravens' defense wasn't so good.

Shiver
01-16-2007, 04:33 PM
Stats only tell so much.

01-16-2007, 04:35 PM
Stats only tell so much.

I agree. Especially for defensive players.

Shiver
01-16-2007, 04:36 PM
Especially when Safety stats are indicative that the front seven isn't doing to job. Obviously isn't the case in Baltimore. With Thomas, Scott, Lewis and that D-Line absorbing all the Tackle stats.

fenikz
01-16-2007, 04:37 PM
never even heard of kenny rhodes and look at his stats

99 tackles
5 sacks
3 FF
4 Int

frogstomp
01-16-2007, 04:39 PM
A Dub
4 sacks
4 FF
4 Ints
85 Tackles

Reed
0 sacks
1 FF
5 Ints
60 Tackles

Dawkins
1 sack
5 FF
4 Int
98 Tackles


so its between Dawkins and A Dub for most complete Safety

even though i probally take Reed over both of em

Rhodes
6 sacks
3 FF
5 Int
98 tackles

Rhodes is apparently more complete than all of them...

01-16-2007, 04:39 PM
never even heard of kenny rhodes and look at his stats

99 tackles
5 sacks
3 FF
4 Int

You've never heard of Kerry Rhodes? Even if he was a bad safety this would be hurting your arguement. I agree A-Dub is very good, and very underrated and a top 10 safety, but I don't think he's in discussion with these two and isn't the best all-around.

frogstomp
01-16-2007, 04:40 PM
never even heard of kenny rhodes and look at his stats

99 tackles
5 sacks
3 FF
4 Int

Yeah, it's Kerry. I posted at the same time as you.

Shiver
01-16-2007, 04:41 PM
fenikz, look at the run defense rank of those teams;

Ed Reed's defense allowed only 3.3 YPC against. It's kind of hard to rack up stats, when runners aren't getting to the secondary. New York Jets and Philadelphia Eagles were both bad in terms of YPC against, Arizona below average. You don't think that has something to do with Rhodes, Dawkins and Wilson's superior tackle stats?

frogstomp
01-16-2007, 04:42 PM
fenikz, look at the run defense rank of those teams;

Ed Reed's defense allowed only 3.3 YPC against. It's kind of hard to rack up stats, when runners aren't getting to the secondary. New York Jets and Philadelphia Eagles were both bad in terms of YPC against, Arizona below average. You don't think that has something to do with Rhodes, Dawkins and Wilson's superior tackle stats?

Reed doesn't blitz, so sacks don't work so well for him, however Rhodes still had more picks and sacks than the other two.

fenikz
01-16-2007, 04:48 PM
im not discrediting any of them i just think A Dub should be in the conversation

bernbabybern820
01-16-2007, 05:29 PM
Last year it was Reed or Polamalu. Now its Dawkins or Reed. I say that Polamamlu is better then Dawkins, but Reed is the best safety in the league. Here is a better question, who is the better player in the secondary?

Ed Reed or Champ Bailey

1. Champ Bailey
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2. the other corners

thetedginnshow
01-16-2007, 08:14 PM
People really think Reed is more complete than Dawkins? Oh my...

AZ9er
01-16-2007, 08:23 PM
INTS:
Reed- 27 in 5 years
Dawkins- 32 in 11

Tackles:
Reed- 276 in 5, total 328
Dawkins- 625 in 11, total 800

Pass Deflections:
Reed- 36 in 5
Dawkins- 109 in 11

Return TDs
Reed- 3
Dawkins: 2

FF:
Reed- 5
dawkins- 27


Passed on stats alone its hard to tell, hitting wise its def dawkins, presence could be split depending on the opposing QB. Defending the pass its def. Reed, athletecism and awareness Reed. Physical intimidation is Dawkins, mentally id say Reed since he can taclke but he can get interceptionos out his ass.

Its pretty even staight up stats wise and based on their careers right now id tke reed, ill make my final decision in 5 years to see what else Ed can do. his resume is similiar and will only get better

thetedginnshow
01-16-2007, 08:48 PM
That's a good indication of what they're good at (but technically, they're both good at everything with one just being better), but it's a little misleading if you're comparing them, because Reed has been on the infinitely greater defense for his entire career, and thus was able to gamble to make big plays, or only have to worry about his own assignment. But after Reed, I think there's a significantly large gap between him and the next best Safety out there.

Ravens1991
01-16-2007, 08:54 PM
Reed can blitz and stop the run well, he can lay the lumber ask Koren Robinson or Roscoe Parish. He plays deep cover 2 basically every play and we have Landry coming up closer to the LOS so we have Reed back there in coverage.

LTgiants
01-16-2007, 10:06 PM
ed reed and this shouldnt even be close

jkpigskin
01-16-2007, 10:11 PM
A Dub
4 sacks
4 FF
4 Ints
85 Tackles

Reed
0 sacks
1 FF
5 Ints
60 Tackles

Dawkins
1 sack
5 FF
4 Int
98 Tackles


so its between Dawkins and A Dub for most complete Safety

even though i probally take Reed over both of em

Reed would have a lot more tackles if the Ravens' defense wasn't so good.

exactly

i think baltimore was 2nd to last in total tackles... a testament of getting the offense off the field quicker

jkpigskin
01-16-2007, 10:18 PM
forgot to post on topic


i may be a homer, but i dont see how it cant be ed reed........

the entire nfl watched as ed reed flew to every ball against indy......

i agree that dawkins is a more intimidating prescence, but reed is no slouch..... i acually think hes going for those monster hits more than wrappping up somtimes...... if hes a little late getting to the reciever, he will lower his shoulders and bring pain.....

FloridaFootball
01-16-2007, 10:21 PM
Ed Reed :wink:

Sean Taylor is the best FS in the NFL

cunningham06
01-16-2007, 11:17 PM
Reed- slightly more athletic, a bigger playmaker at this point
Dawkins- hits harder, superior in run support and blitzing, also has a knack for knocking the ball out, veteran knowledge and the heart and soul of philly's defense.

I'd say Reed is #1 but it's very close.

d34ng3l021
01-17-2007, 12:19 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axtcDLC_qdo

Best highlight reel EVER

I've seen that before; it's freaking awesome.

Requiem for a Dream soundtrack does that to highlights.

d34ng3l021
01-17-2007, 12:29 AM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=TiQIe1Gzb0I

wow. from one game.

thetedginnshow
01-17-2007, 01:04 AM
A Dub
4 sacks
4 FF
4 Ints
85 Tackles

Reed
0 sacks
1 FF
5 Ints
60 Tackles

Dawkins
1 sack
5 FF
4 Int
98 Tackles


so its between Dawkins and A Dub for most complete Safety

even though i probally take Reed over both of em

Reed would have a lot more tackles if the Ravens' defense wasn't so good.

That's a one-sided argument though, because the pressure Reed's front seven creates forces inaccurate passes (if that), and the additional help he receives from the secondary allows him to gamble as crazily as he does for picks.

jkpigskin
01-17-2007, 07:56 AM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=TiQIe1Gzb0I

wow. from one game.

too bad our offense couldnt cash in :cry:

Bohleive
01-17-2007, 09:36 AM
That last int with the lateral was a total screw job by the refs. You think they'd learn not to be overzealous blowing their whistle. That could've easily been the only TD the Ravens needed. Seeing that again really pisses me off.

portermvp84
01-17-2007, 09:50 AM
This is very hard, their probably the two both best Saftys in the game today. I'm just gonna go Reed.

TheChampIsHere
01-19-2007, 01:00 AM
I think they are without question the best two safeties in the league (maybe you can throw Polamalu into the mix), and I am huge fans of both of em. But I guess I would take Reed if it came down to it, he defines the terms ballhawk and playmaker.

thetedginnshow
01-19-2007, 01:06 AM
I think that's a defining factor for a lot of people. Most are drawn to the flashier players, and obviously love the playmaking ability. It's like comparing Adrian Wilson to Troy Polamalu. I'd say without question Dawkins is the better player and Reed the better playmaker, though both are above most other Safeties in each other's respective categories.

Dam8610
01-19-2007, 01:21 AM
Bob Sanders...









































...seriously, Ed Reed

TheChampIsHere
01-19-2007, 02:14 AM
I think that's a defining factor for a lot of people. Most are drawn to the flashier players, and obviously love the playmaking ability. It's like comparing Adrian Wilson to Troy Polamalu. I'd say without question Dawkins is the better player and Reed the better playmaker, though both are above most other Safeties in each other's respective categories.

Well the thing is, Dawkins is a great playmaker himself, one of the best in the league, he gets picks and he forces a lot of fumbles and gets sacks and everything, he is an emotional leader, there is nothing he's bad at, but hes known as a big hitter....Ed Reed on the other hand is known for his ballhawking skills because he is probly one of the best ever in terms of ballhawking, but its not as if he isn't a big hitter or a force in run support. These guys are both great all around safeties.

thetedginnshow
01-19-2007, 02:39 AM
I think that's a defining factor for a lot of people. Most are drawn to the flashier players, and obviously love the playmaking ability. It's like comparing Adrian Wilson to Troy Polamalu. I'd say without question Dawkins is the better player and Reed the better playmaker, though both are above most other Safeties in each other's respective categories.

Well the thing is, Dawkins is a great playmaker himself, one of the best in the league, he gets picks and he forces a lot of fumbles and gets sacks and everything, he is an emotional leader, there is nothing he's bad at, but hes known as a big hitter....Ed Reed on the other hand is known for his ballhawking skills because he is probly one of the best ever in terms of ballhawking, but its not as if he isn't a big hitter or a force in run support. These guys are both great all around safeties.

Yeah. Probably wasn't all too clear, but I was trying to say that Dawkins can do just about everything that a Safety is called upon, while Reed is that ballhawk that's always going for the big play. But at the same time, that Dawkins is a huge playmaker and Reed is probably the third best safety in terms of all-around ability. Really though, you couldn't go wrong with either, and they're without a doubt head and shoulders above the rest.