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diabsoule
09-10-2007, 05:37 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3013266

This really hurts the Giants offense. Its a damn shame especially since he looked really good Sunday night against the Cowboys.

Man_Of_Steel
09-10-2007, 05:46 PM
Manning and Jacobs plus a loss to the rival Cowboys. Tough day.

Shiver
09-10-2007, 05:48 PM
Don't forget about Osi Umenyiora.

neko4
09-10-2007, 05:51 PM
Don't forget about Osi Umenyiora.
is he out too?

SchizophrenicBatman
09-10-2007, 05:54 PM
Don't forget about Osi Umenyiora.

The Hefty Lefty will be playing both DE and QB next week

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m247/edsweets18/jaredlornzen.jpg

Shiver
09-10-2007, 05:54 PM
Reportedly for two months.

Shiver
09-10-2007, 05:58 PM
I think most of the people here do not even remember that chapter of NFLDC history.

princefielder28
09-10-2007, 05:58 PM
Good news for the Packers!!!!

255979119
09-10-2007, 05:59 PM
This comes after one of his best games....ouch.

neko4
09-10-2007, 05:59 PM
I think most of the people here do not even remember that chapter of NFLDC history.
i do vaugley, i think happened right around when i joined

Shiver
09-10-2007, 06:00 PM
If your join date is accurate, then no it did not happen around when you joined.

diabsoule
09-10-2007, 06:00 PM
I think most of the people here do not even remember that chapter of NFLDC history.

Oh God, that chapter.... Yeah, I remember it. I was hoping we'd never finish it.

But Manning, Jacobs, and Umenyiora. Tough break. I think that means the Giants will be picking in the top 5 this year.

Shiver
09-10-2007, 06:01 PM
Oh God, that chapter.... Yeah, I remember it. I was hoping we'd never finish it.

But Manning, Jacobs, and Umenyiora. Tough break. I think that means the Giants will be picking in the top 5 this year.


I wish GRF wasn't banned. Because if they pick in the top-5 that means my prediction was right and he was wrong. :eek:

princefielder28
09-10-2007, 06:02 PM
I wish GRF wasn't banned. Because if they pick in the top-5 that means my prediction was right and he was wrong. :eek:

GRF was never wrong!

Shiver
09-10-2007, 06:04 PM
To be sig quoted (my top-5 pick prediction) and be proven right would have been awesome. Too bad his horrible intelligence, insensitive posts and general trolling led to him being banned before I could see him proven dead wrong.

Brodeur
09-10-2007, 06:07 PM
Well, the Giants are denying it and saying he's day to day so it's conflicting reports.

slightlyaraiderfan
09-10-2007, 06:09 PM
Damix says he's playing this week.

The Unseen
09-10-2007, 06:10 PM
I think most of the people here do not even remember that chapter of NFLDC history.

I remember it. I hadn't been here long, but it was pretty funny. Kinda made me more interested in the forum.

Geo
09-10-2007, 06:11 PM
That sucks, hopefully Eli can recover fully.

I think most of the people here do not even remember that chapter of NFLDC history.
And the rest of us just laughed it off.

scottyboy
09-10-2007, 06:15 PM
all i have to say is dont always believe what you read. especially when it's espn talking about the giants...

Sveen
09-10-2007, 06:20 PM
I'm putting some money on the Packers next weekend ;)

yodabear
09-10-2007, 07:01 PM
The Giants are better off with Jerod Lorenzon anyway. I wish the Rams had him.

Nitschke-Hawk
09-10-2007, 07:11 PM
Three key words for next Sunday with their backfield missing.

"Giants protection breakdown."

JETS5128
09-10-2007, 07:12 PM
I think most of the people here do not even remember that chapter of NFLDC history.

Me! Me! Me!

Shiver
09-10-2007, 07:14 PM
The class of '05 owns!

bored of education
09-10-2007, 07:24 PM
Ryan Leafesque career in the works. LOL jokings Giant Fans.

GO LIBERTY!

The Unseen
09-10-2007, 07:25 PM
Ryan Leafesque career in the works. LOL jokings Giant Fans.

GO LIBERTY!

Wrong thread?

Edit: I'm in the wrong thread.

Oops.

Yung Flippa
09-10-2007, 07:52 PM
Ouch, don't expect the Giants to win for as long as Eli is out. And even then, they probably won't win very many games.

Flyboy
09-10-2007, 07:56 PM
I think most of the people here do not even remember that chapter of NFLDC history.

I definitely remember it.

bigbluedefense
09-10-2007, 07:59 PM
OMG THE SEASON IS OVER


:(

JK17
09-10-2007, 08:02 PM
Ouch, don't expect the Giants to win for as long as Eli is out. And even then, they probably won't win very many games.

As much as I hate to say it, because I hate him, so, so, much, with the way people are reacting to this injury, "the season is over" etc., it means Eli isn't as bad as everyone makes him out to be. Or there wouldn't be such panic. That being said, he's a douche.

Hurricane Ditka
09-10-2007, 08:02 PM
Is fat boy the starter now?

B-Dawk
09-10-2007, 08:15 PM
i hate to see injuries, but of course I hate them a little less in this case

Shiver
09-10-2007, 08:35 PM
I definitely remember it.

Wait, you've been around longer than me? That's very deflating.

SchizophrenicBatman
09-10-2007, 10:26 PM
he's still a better, more productive...

well he is putting up better stats

Osi: 1 injury
Peppers: 0

bearsfan_51
09-10-2007, 10:52 PM
I actually think Lorenzen will do pretty well. He's been in that system for what, 3 years now? He's obviously not Eli, but I think the loss of Jacobs hurts more. I'm interested to see what the big guy can do.

21ST
09-10-2007, 10:53 PM
To be sig quoted (my top-5 pick prediction) and be proven right would have been awesome. Too bad his horrible intelligence, insensitive posts and general trolling led to him being banned before I could see him proven dead wrong.

wrong quote

21ST
09-10-2007, 11:12 PM
well he is putting up better stats

Osi: 1 injury
Peppers: 0

you dont understand son

Hurricane Ditka
09-10-2007, 11:37 PM
I actually think Lorenzen will do pretty well. He's been in that system for what, 3 years now? He's obviously not Eli, but I think the loss of Jacobs hurts more. I'm interested to see what the big guy can do.
Jacobs or Lorenzen?

bearsfan_51
09-10-2007, 11:43 PM
Jacobs or Lorenzen?

Lorenzen, sorry, should have clarified which big guy.

yo123
09-10-2007, 11:58 PM
did anyone else think that the Jacobs injury looked a lot worse than it actually was? When I saw it my first thought was his season is over.

255979119
09-11-2007, 12:52 AM
Ever since Lorenzen was on the G-men, I always figured him as a publicity stunt or some ****. Would any coach in there right mind want a moderately obese quarterback?

Turtlepower
09-11-2007, 12:55 AM
At least Lorenzen could help our o-line by moving up as a guard on run plays...

SchizophrenicBatman
09-11-2007, 12:55 AM
you dont understand son

Oh I fully understand. I remember reading all that stuff, never posted about it

Jughead10
09-11-2007, 07:26 AM
I still wait until we hear more. Giants seem to think that Eli might still be able to start this week. The same thing with Osi. Both are listed as day to day. Jacobs is the only person confirmed who is out for any long period of time.

KILLERSANTA
09-11-2007, 07:29 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3013266

This really hurts the Giants offense. Its a damn shame especially since he looked really good Sunday night against the Cowboys.

I think it had little to do with he looked good, the cowboys D just sucks.

bigbluedefense
09-11-2007, 08:47 AM
http://i.walmart.com/i/p/00/80/94/18/29/0080941829173_500X500.jpg


Its time to come home Bill....its time to come home :)

NIN1984
09-11-2007, 08:54 AM
If Lorenzen really does start I'm so watching that game.

keylime_5
09-11-2007, 09:59 AM
Remember a few years back when it was the "year of the backup." I think we had tommy Maddox, Marc Bulger, Matt Hasselbeck, and a couple others emerge that year due to injured starters. Maybe Lorenzen could be this year's "from backup to star QB" story.

...okay, so I'm just trying to be optimistic. NY is gonna have a top 10 pick this year if Eli doesn't return before mid-October.

TimD
09-11-2007, 02:02 PM
Oh I fully understand. I remember reading all that stuff, never posted about it

so do i... that got out of hand last year

yodabear
09-11-2007, 03:14 PM
Lorenzen is winning the MVP, Manning will lose his job.

scottyboy
09-11-2007, 04:59 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/giants/

well well, way to go espn.

thanks for damix for posting this in the giants thread...

CC.SD
09-11-2007, 05:12 PM
so do i... that got out of hand last year

This year will be a better and more productive year than last year.

Staubach12
09-11-2007, 07:13 PM
Wow, there's a lot of conflicting reports out there, but if this is the truth, it's a major hit to their offense. I dunno about you guys, but I don't want Chris Farley as my QB.

NYGibril28
09-11-2007, 10:20 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/giants/


scottyboy just posted it but you all ignored it...he was cleared to play

Hurricane Ditka
09-11-2007, 10:21 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/giants/


scottyboy just posted it but you all ignored it...he was cleared to play
Has ESPN confirmed the validity of that article yet

Windy
09-11-2007, 10:22 PM
Has ESPN confirmed the validity of that article yet


no but toonster has.

yo123
09-11-2007, 10:24 PM
Wow, there's a lot of conflicting reports out there, but if this is the truth, it's a major hit to their offense. I dunno about you guys, but I don't want Chris Farley as my QB.



I dont know, Chris Farley can move pretty well.

http://www.findadeath.com/Deceased/F/Chris%20Farley/Chippendale%20skit.JPG

Jughead10
09-11-2007, 10:30 PM
Has ESPN confirmed the validity of that article yet

ESPN doesn't know their ass from their elbow.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
09-11-2007, 10:41 PM
http://i.walmart.com/i/p/00/80/94/18/29/0080941829173_500X500.jpg


Its time to come home Bill....its time to come home :)

I hope this is what finally drives Coughlin out of town. He is an atrocious coach. I hate him.

Number 10
09-11-2007, 10:55 PM
ESPN was never right about this. Their made up source is going to make them look silly.

See you on the field Sunday Eli.

LonghornsLegend
09-12-2007, 12:38 AM
i hope he's not hurt, i want to see him play, he looked really great sunday, hopefully his shoulder wont slow him down any

NYGibril28
09-12-2007, 07:26 AM
The injury is still there, for any of you who are confused, although it's not a separated shoulder. He can play as long as he can withstand the pain. My feeling is he'll play and start, but have a quick leash if he feels any more discomfort than he already has.

Jughead10
09-12-2007, 07:37 AM
The injury is still there, for any of you who are confused, although it's not a separated shoulder. He can play as long as he can withstand the pain. My feeling is he'll play and start, but have a quick leash if he feels any more discomfort than he already has.

He's playing. He said on Monday it didn't even hurt him then. Just a little stiff and sore.

Jonny
09-12-2007, 08:25 AM
The injury is still there, for any of you who are confused, although it's not a separated shoulder. He can play as long as he can withstand the pain. My feeling is he'll play and start, but have a quick leash if he feels any more discomfort than he already has.

The doctors have said there's no medical risk. I don't know if he's playing yet, but he might.

Even with the defensive problems, in another down year for the NFC we're still very much in the thick of things as long as Manning plays. Jacobs/Osi aren't out for that long.

Jughead10
09-12-2007, 08:28 AM
The doctors have said there's no medical risk. I don't know if he's playing yet, but he might.

Even with the defensive problems, in another down year for the NFC we're still very much in the thick of things as long as Manning plays. Jacobs/Osi aren't out for that long.

There are already serious rumors of moving Kiwi back to DE while Osi is out. Coaching staff said they are gonna sit down and consider it.

bigbluedefense
09-12-2007, 08:51 AM
I still want Kiwi learning his hybrid role. It will only help him in the long term. The team just needs to make some adjustments, and Kiwi will obviously have to learn over time how to defend better. But its a process, something we knew would take some time.

He won't be Marcus Washington by week 1. Its gonna take time.

Jughead10
09-12-2007, 08:56 AM
I still want Kiwi learning his hybrid role. It will only help him in the long term. The team just needs to make some adjustments, and Kiwi will obviously have to learn over time how to defend better. But its a process, something we knew would take some time.

He won't be Marcus Washington by week 1. Its gonna take time.

They are only considering it if Osi is going to miss significant time.

bigbluedefense
09-12-2007, 09:04 AM
They are only considering it if Osi is going to miss significant time.

If thats the case, and worst case scenario Osi is done for awhile, he should split reps 50/50 with Strahan, and the other reps he gets should be at LB.

We need to know where we stand with Kiwi at OLB by the end of the season. Thats important for our future rebuilding.

Shiver
09-12-2007, 11:33 AM
The problem with moving Kiwanuka to LB is that when Coughlin is fired and Strahan retires, I would be shocked if the new coach didn't move him back to DE. Unless they go 3-4, this year would have been a waste.

Jughead10
09-12-2007, 11:36 AM
The problem with moving Kiwanuka to LB is that when Coughlin is fired and Strahan retires, I would be shocked if the new coach didn't move him back to DE. Unless they go 3-4, this year would have been a waste.

You are just assuming Coughlin is fired?

bigbluedefense
09-12-2007, 12:11 PM
The problem with moving Kiwanuka to LB is that when Coughlin is fired and Strahan retires, I would be shocked if the new coach didn't move him back to DE. Unless they go 3-4, this year would have been a waste.

Depends on the health of Tuck. Tuck is actually better suited to be Strahan's replacement than Kiwi is. He's thicker and stouter against the run. Now if Kiwi can pan out at OLB, then we can keep all 3 and have no worries.

If we go 3-4, then we gotta figure out what to do with Tuck. Perhaps bulk him up and see if he can play 3-4 End, but that would be wasting his talent. I don't know, its way too early to be thinking about that.

But regardless, Kiwi learning how to play OLB will only increase his versatility and make him a better player in the long run. Its an experiment worth taking, because you really have nothing to lose out of it long term.

Shiver
09-12-2007, 12:13 PM
You are just assuming Coughlin is fired?

The bigger question is why aren't you making that assumption?

Jughead10
09-12-2007, 12:16 PM
The bigger question is why aren't you making that assumption?

Because there are plenty more areas to place blame before anyone gets to Coughlin. He is just the easy target because of his personality, which the players don't really care about all that much now that drama queen Tiki is gone.

NYGibril28
09-12-2007, 12:20 PM
Are you defending Coughlin as head coach? His personality doesn't mesh well with the team. We need a young energetic coach. That's my personal opinion.

Jughead10
09-12-2007, 12:23 PM
Are you defending Coughlin as head coach? His personality doesn't mesh well with the team. We need a young energetic coach. That's my personal opinion.

Any blame for this team's dissapointments I put on Tim Lewis and Accorsi before I look at Tom.

Turtlepower
09-12-2007, 12:25 PM
I personally believe that part of our injury woes the past couple of years is due to Coughlin's off-season conditioning program. You can't have a successful team if they are constantly injured.

Jughead10
09-12-2007, 12:31 PM
I personally believe that part of our injury woes the past couple of years is due to Coughlin's off-season conditioning program. You can't have a successful team if they are constantly injured.

We had the same injury problems with Fassell. Shockey and Burress don't take place if the off-season conditioning and they are banged up just about as much as anyone. Many are crediting Coughlin's off-season program for the fact that Jacobs and Osi aren't more seriously injured after the way both their knees bent the other night.

Shiver
09-12-2007, 12:35 PM
Even if you personally don't think Coughlin should take the blame, you honestly don't think Coughlin will most likely be fired?

Turtlepower
09-12-2007, 12:36 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3015753

Eli is taking snaps. He isn't throwing, but is at least practicing. A month my ass.

Jughead10
09-12-2007, 12:43 PM
Even if you personally don't think Coughlin should take the blame, you honestly don't think Coughlin will most likely be fired?

I'd say its 50/50. Ownership still likes him, as he was handpicked by Wellington and his sons will always honor their father. I think more people realize now there is absolutely no dissent in the locker room. And the "un-named players" that were bashing Coughlin week to week was Tiki every time. And honestly while I know he is still the head coach, Coughlin primarily is an offensive guy. And nothing over the past two years offensively I can really kill him for. The defense has consistently killed us. Whether that be from poor scheme or just poor overall talent that Accorsi had aquired on defense. Reese has already admitted one of Accorsi's mistakes by cutting Demps one year into a 5 year deal. Or by putting William Joseph (an Accorsi 1st round gem) on IR with back spasms one week into the season. The biggest thing I can kill Tom for is not firing Tim Lewis earlier than he did. He was stubborn with his coaching staff.

bigbluedefense
09-12-2007, 12:56 PM
2 Things about Coughlin

1. He took way too long to fire his staff members. Loyalty bit him in the butt. I initially blamed Coughlin for our lousy offensive playbook, but after seeing the initial adjustments that Gilbride has made (so far), maybe it wasn't Coughlin after all. Maybe it was Huffnagel this whole time with his ridiculous send 4 deep with no checkdown pass game. Im still holding my breath though, because who knows if it was a one week abberation or if they did truely change and adjust our playbook accordingly. Id still like to see Shockey used more as a medium route blanket opposed to a vertical safety pulling decoy on every play.

As for defense, look, Coughlin doesn't know a thing about defense. Not a thing. He needs a very good DC to handle his defense. And we haven't had that. The book is still out on Spags. Accorsi definately didn't help with his questionable drafting, and its obvious we have a glaring lack of talent outside of our pass rushers. Rebuilding the defense is going to be a process, and it can't be fixed overnight.

2. Coughlin is actually a decent motivator, but he's a horrible in game adjustments coach. He doesn't make any adjustments. And thats not good in today's game. Its all about adjustments. If you can't adjust, youre not a great coach. I think the lockerroom discent with him was mainly with Tiki, most of our guys don't dislike him that much. Basically, its the guys from the pussified Fassell era that are complaining. And all those guys are soon to be goners anyway.

I think Coughlin is an ok coach, but not a great coach. And I personally don't favor him. One thing I'll give him, his teams don't quit on him. That has to count for something.

Jughead10
09-12-2007, 01:03 PM
2 Things about Coughlin

1. He took way too long to fire his staff members. Loyalty bit him in the butt. I initially blamed Coughlin for our lousy offensive playbook, but after seeing the initial adjustments that Gilbride has made (so far), maybe it wasn't Coughlin after all. Maybe it was Huffnagel this whole time with his ridiculous send 4 deep with no checkdown pass game. Im still holding my breath though, because who knows if it was a one week abberation or if they did truely change and adjust our playbook accordingly. Id still like to see Shockey used more as a medium route blanket opposed to a vertical safety pulling decoy on every play.

As for defense, look, Coughlin doesn't know a thing about defense. Not a thing. He needs a very good DC to handle his defense. And we haven't had that. The book is still out on Spags. Accorsi definately didn't help with his questionable drafting, and its obvious we have a glaring lack of talent outside of our pass rushers. Rebuilding the defense is going to be a process, and it can't be fixed overnight.

2. Coughlin is actually a decent motivator, but he's a horrible in game adjustments coach. He doesn't make any adjustments. And thats not good in today's game. Its all about adjustments. If you can't adjust, youre not a great coach. I think the lockerroom discent with him was mainly with Tiki, most of our guys don't dislike him that much. Basically, its the guys from the pussified Fassell era that are complaining. And all those guys are soon to be goners anyway.

I think Coughlin is an ok coach, but not a great coach. And I personally don't favor him. One thing I'll give him, his teams don't quit on him. That has to count for something.

Agreed on the quitting thing. I've been saying that forever to anyone who says the team quit on him last year. There is a difference between losing and quitting. Someone said a few weeks ago thatthe Giants quit during that Tennesee game last year, I have to disagree there. The Giants quit under Fassell, that will never happen under Coughlin. Even Tiki who hated him, played his hardest almost to spite him.

As for in game adjustments. I think thats a little overrated. There are less in game adjustments than people think. Coaches develop a game plan and they practice that game plan all week heading into a game. Most coaches stick to it. They don't throw it out the window at halftime and try something else.

I like Coughlin, but if something better came around, yeah I would replace him for that person. I just don't see that out there right now. If Belichick wants to leave New England and coach the G-Men, I'd be the first to kick Coughlin out on his ass. But just looking at the new head coaches this year, I can't see one I'd rather have.

bigbluedefense
09-12-2007, 01:23 PM
Agreed on the quitting thing. I've been saying that forever to anyone who says the team quit on him last year. There is a difference between losing and quitting. Someone said a few weeks ago thatthe Giants quit during that Tennesee game last year, I have to disagree there. The Giants quit under Fassell, that will never happen under Coughlin. Even Tiki who hated him, played his hardest almost to spite him.

As for in game adjustments. I think thats a little overrated. There are less in game adjustments than people think. Coaches develop a game plan and they practice that game plan all week heading into a game. Most coaches stick to it. They don't throw it out the window at halftime and try something else.

I like Coughlin, but if something better came around, yeah I would replace him for that person. I just don't see that out there right now. If Belichick wants to leave New England and coach the G-Men, I'd be the first to kick Coughlin out on his ass. But just looking at the new head coaches this year, I can't see one I'd rather have.

They don't have to be huge adjustments. Just simple ones. Like running the ball on offense. Maybe throwing a checkdown here and there.

Defensively, maybe trying to defend the TE. Just once. Just once, Spags, just once.

Jughead10
09-12-2007, 01:24 PM
They don't have to be huge adjustments. Just simple ones. Like running the ball on offense. Maybe throwing a checkdown here and there.

Defensively, maybe trying to defend the TE. Just once. Just once, Spags, just once.

Well we have to give Spags the benefit of the doubt for now, since it was only one game. And one would expect to see improvements week to week since this is a new scheme for everyone on defense.

The one thing I will say about Spags, I'd rather be killed being aggresive on a 3rd and long rather than sitting back and letting a team pick us apart a la Tim Lewis. The nail in the coffin Sunday night was on a play where Spags was being aggresive. Although apparently there was a blatant false start on it that all the refs missed.

bigbluedefense
09-12-2007, 01:27 PM
Well we have to give Spags the benefit of the doubt for now, since it was only one game. And one would expect to see improvements week to week since this is a new scheme for everyone on defense.

Yeah thats what Im hoping. I think Spags needs to realize he doesn't have the safeties for Cover 1, so he probably has to use more 2 deep safety plays. Im not saying he should do Cover 2, because we don't have the players for that either, but we need 2 guys deep majority of the time, with our man coverages underneath.

Either that, or take Kiwi out of the LB core on 3rd down. Either put him on the dirt, or sub him out for a pass coverage LB. Our LBs in the nickel should be Wilkinson and Mitchell.

yodabear
09-13-2007, 10:55 AM
Lorenzon should eat all Mannings.

diabsoule
09-16-2007, 01:37 PM
Guess he's not out a month anymore.

BroadwayJoe10
09-16-2007, 02:00 PM
hah yaa i was gonna say, for a guy who's out for a month he's playin pretty good ball this game so far

Notredameleo
09-16-2007, 02:43 PM
Mortenson has lost all credibility!

Shiver
09-16-2007, 03:20 PM
Mortenson has lost all credibility!

To lose something you must first possess it. In this case I don't think Mort ever had credibility.

Addict
09-16-2007, 05:11 PM
Lorenzon should eat all Mannings.

he eats the Manning family to have a foundation for Thanksgiving.