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d34ng3l021
09-11-2007, 04:10 AM
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Brian Brohm
Height: 6'4"
Weight: 225 lbs

Pros: Brohm is a franchise QB that has alot of talent. His arm strength is very solid (Better then previous prospects like Leinart and Quinn) and he throws an outstanding deep ball....He has great accuracy and can string the ball into the recievers hands despite whatever kind of coverage.....He has great decision making skills, thus limiting his turn overs....His mobility wont make us forget about Vick, but he can move enough to buy some more time for a throw.

Cons: The biggest knock on Brohm is his durability concern. He has been injured in the previous year the year before that. If he can stay injury free this year, though...the injury concern shouldnt be too much....He may be a product of a good system (which will be seen this year by a new coach) and a weak schedule.

Overall: As a pro prospect, Brohm is definetly up there with previous top QB picks (Alex Smith, Vince Young, Leinart, Cutler) and doesnt have a big hole as far as weaknesses go. If drafted by us, he would already be familiar with the system and would be reunited with Petrino. It seems as if a match is made for us in heaven, with Petrino coming to the Falcons, Vick going to jail, us sucking.

'07 Stats:

Game 1 (Murray State): 16-21 375 yards, 4 TDs. Played about 2 or 3 quarters.

Game 2 (Middle Tennessee): 25-39 401 yards (career high), 5 TDs. Kept Louisville's offense going as their defense fell apart and led his team away from an upset.

Hes pretty sexy.

iloxygenil
09-11-2007, 01:52 PM
He's good...real good...but I just don't see him as 'elite' in the NFL...and that's what I want to get...I need to see more of his throwing motion etc. I also would like him to be tougher.

Shiver
09-11-2007, 02:31 PM
Getting him would make the Schaub trade well worth it.

d34ng3l021
09-11-2007, 03:54 PM
He's good...real good...but I just don't see him as 'elite' in the NFL...and that's what I want to get...I need to see more of his throwing motion etc. I also would like him to be tougher.

I wouldnt say he isnt tough. Ive seen him run when there arent guys open and call his own number.

He seems prone to injury though. Both of the previous seasons he was plagued by some injuries. If he can stay healthy this year though, he should take off all doubt about his injury issue.

Btw, does anyone know how many games he has started in college?

Shiver
09-11-2007, 04:18 PM
If he starts for his entire senior season he will have 34 starts coming out of college. That is a very good number. Statistically speaking, Quarterbacks that have that many starts and are still drafted high have a very high success rate in the NFL. It's the junior Quarterbacks who have only 20+ games under their belt and rise because of 'upside' that encompass the majority of the bust picks at the position.

d34ng3l021
09-11-2007, 04:45 PM
Yeah thats why I was asking. There was some recent statistic on this.

iloxygenil
09-11-2007, 08:22 PM
I hope he'll make it through the season, but we need some improvement on the OL before we put a high draft pick back there and get him killed. I want to go buy a big LT no matter what we have to do, I want that side of the line locked up. If that means we take an OT #1 overall, so be it...but I want our line to protect people. Without time Brohm wouldn't be able to do anything. I just really want to see more of him dropping back and passing under pressure. But a guy who gets injured that much with competition THAT much lower than the NFL...that scares me...

I am playing pessimist here and just trying to scrutinize EVERYTHING I possibly can. So, that's why it seems that way. But if we're going to invest in a QB I want to protect him. I really think if Joey was given time he'd be perfectly fine...So if it's not going to be DRAMATIC...I would rather pick up an ELITE player...OT or otherwise to make our team better...

So, I'm not going to jump on the QB bandwagon. Right now I'm looking for a LT / Elite RB / NT / FREAK WR...

DraftMichaelHuff
09-11-2007, 08:35 PM
Well if we have a top 3 pick. Id go for Brohm. And then either go O Line in the 1st pick of the 2nd OR package em trade back into the first right to where the drop off point of LT's is (last year it was where Staley was picked)

If we dont have a top 3 pick meaning we most likley dont get a shot at Brohm id take a LT in the first and then either grab a QB in the 2nd ie Ainge Matt Moore etc OR, if a guy like Woodson slips, once again, package the 2nds and move into the first.

Also i dont care what Shaub does this year and how bad we are, the Shaub trade, at the time, was a very good decision

thefalconer
09-11-2007, 10:19 PM
we cant dwell on schaub. whats done is done, unfortunately.

iloxygenil
09-11-2007, 10:51 PM
Who cares about Schaub, we got Blalock that's more than enough, and we get another pick next year...we won that trade. I'd do it again even knowing this was going to go down. I'm very VERY happy at what we came up with.

P-L
09-11-2007, 11:10 PM
Even though I like Andre Woodson much more than Brian Brohm, I think Brohm is the perfect fit for the Falcons should they be in position to get him next year. Brohm has already spent three seasons in Petrino's offense and knows it real well. The Falcons would be putting Brohm in and excellent position to succeed from day one.

I know some Falcons fans want to address the LT situation, but I'd advise against it. The crop of QB's for the 2009 NFL Draft looks awful. You guys would probably be looking at Hunter Cantwell (who knows Petrino's offense, but in my opinion is very overrated) or Nate Longshore unless some juniors declare. While it will be tough to miss out on two excellent LT prospects in Jake Long and Sam Baker, there will be some very good ones available next year. Ryan Clady of Boise State projects as a 1st Round pick this year, but many expect him to stay so he can be the #1 OT next year. Michael Oher has received a lot of hype, although I think he projects better as a RT or G in the pros. Another guy who I love, and could opt to come out next year, is Andre Smith of Alabama. Many people think he projects as a RT, but I think has what Petrino is looking for in a LT. Ciron Black (who could declare) and Alex Boone also look like possible 1st Rounders in 2009.

falconsrule
09-12-2007, 07:32 AM
Atlanta Draft Board:
1.Darren McFadden(A true workhorse could have a major impact his 1st year besides somebody has to take over for Warrick Dunn after this season.)
2.Brian Bhrom(Ranks higher than Woodson only because he already knows Petrino system and should be able to start from day one.)
3.Jake Long(Wanye Gandy is our starting LT I think that is enough said)
4.Andre Woodson(Strong athletic QB with a great arm also has the size that you look for in a QB 6'5)

D-Rod
09-12-2007, 12:42 PM
At the moment, I would rank McFadden, Brohm and Long equally at their positions. Woodson is a little below at the moment, but could rise with a consistent season.

Of those three positions - and we need all three - I would rate in general importance as QB, LT, RB.

The reason why I rate RB lowest is that it has been consistently proven that a very good RB can be found all the way through the draft, whereas your chances of getting a successful QB drop massively after the 1st round (not everyone lucks into a Brady). Likewise the chances of getting an elite LT are minimal after the first and second rounds.

I'd like to see us grab a power RB to complement Norwood, but would rather look to Stewart in the second or Choice in the 3rd. We already have a playmaker at RB, so McFadden, while brilliant, would be a luxury.

I think everyone can agree that we need a QB and LT in the first rounds. In my opinion, the question is whether you would prefer to have Brohm and Richardson/Hills/Cherilous/Clady, or Long/Baker and Booty/Brennan/Ainge.

There are two places to look for an answer:
1) Draft history
2) This year's class

1) Draft history clearly demonstrates that your chances of finding a franchise QB drop massively after the 1st round. Only Drew Brees has emerged out of the second round in the past decade. Jackson and Clemens have a chance, but they are far from certs. On the other hand, a heap of second round tackles have succeeded. In the same period, Weiner, Jansen, Clifton, Marvel Smith, Light, M. Williams, Pearson, Stinchcomb, Terry, Barnes, Roos, Justice, Whitworth, McNeill and Ugoh have emerged from the second round. All of those are solid starters, many are much more.

2) In this class, there is a huge amount of very solid depth at both tackle positions. A lot of guys could go at the top of the 2nd round who may not be elite like Long, but stand a very good chance of being solid starters and even better. In particular, Cherilus and Richardson seem to fit Petrino's scheme perfectly.
On the other hand, none of the 2nd round QBs seem to me to show more than a 50% chance of developing even into a solid starter, nor do they even have the massive upside worth taking a gamble on. Woodson has huge upside, but will be a first rounder. Only Brohm seems almost perfect. QBs fail in the NFL because of the mental side of the game. Brohm has that nailed, especially in Petrino's scheme. The only note of caution is his injury history, but that is a risk with every player.

Woodson has massive potential, but has yet to prove his mental acuity. Therefore I would much rather have Brohm over Woodson.

IN CONCLUSION: I want:

1: QB Brian Brohm (or Woodson if we end up doing too well this year)
2a: LT Barry Richardson (or Tony Hills)
2b: RB Jon Stewart (may fall if runs a slowish 40)
3: DT Red Bryant (big DTs always seem to fall a little - eg. Branch and Tank last year)

d34ng3l021
09-12-2007, 03:14 PM
Also, refer back to the number of starts Brohm has had. 34. There was a recent statistic, and ill try to find it, but starters with 35 or more starts do ALOT better then the QBs with less.

falconsrule
09-12-2007, 03:46 PM
I think Brian Brohm and Barry Richardson would be a solid draft for us,espcially if we dont have to trade any of our draft picks.Once we get most of the right ppl in posistion for our new offense I think we will be fine but with that said We really need to focuse on getting BIGGER OL and better pass protection next season,That has to be our main focuse next year.

Shiver
09-12-2007, 04:18 PM
Am I the only person who likes Sam Baker more than Jake Long? I'm not sold on Long's ability to play LT in the NFL and Big-10 Left Tackles scare me in general.

iloxygenil
09-12-2007, 04:44 PM
I don't think I've ever gone for Long...Baker has been my top T from the start...he was #2 for me last season if he had come out. Now with another year there's no way he's anything less than #1

D-Rod
09-12-2007, 05:46 PM
Baker's a great pass protector, no doubt, but he has yet to convince that he can be a dominant run blocker.

Yes, Long may have the occasional lapse in pass protection, and that's an issue. But it's worth bearing in mind that a truly dominant run game can, by itself, help pass protection, since teams cannot just tee off on the edge.

If Baker has a season of blowing defenders off the ball, then great, I'd take him over Long. But until then, I'd rather think about the falcons running left side behind Long and Blalock ALL DAY LONG.

But as I've said, I'd rather grab Brohm, and Barry Richardson in the 2nd. He's not quite as dominant in the run game as Long, but arguably as good at pass protection if not better; and he's not as good in pass protection as Baker, but is better in the run game.

DraftMichaelHuff
09-12-2007, 06:15 PM
I know some Falcons fans want to address the LT situation, but I'd advise against it. The crop of QB's for the 2009 NFL Draft looks awful. You guys would probably be looking at Hunter Cantwell (who knows Petrino's offense, but in my opinion is very overrated) or Nate Longshore unless some juniors declare. While it will be tough to miss out on two excellent LT prospects in Jake Long and Sam Baker, there will be some very good ones available next year. Ryan Clady of Boise State projects as a 1st Round pick this year, but many expect him to stay so he can be the #1 OT next year. Michael Oher has received a lot of hype, although I think he projects better as a RT or G in the pros. Another guy who I love, and could opt to come out next year, is Andre Smith of Alabama. Many people think he projects as a RT, but I think has what Petrino is looking for in a LT. Ciron Black (who could declare) and Alex Boone also look like possible 1st Rounders in 2009.

I'm not gonna lie, I was a major proponent of going LT first. But i am starting to shift my stance, especially with the lack of success of QB's after round 2. The only reason i am/was so pro Left Tackle was because Joey Harrington IMHO is a better player than Wayne Gandy that was the only way i proritised it. As long as the Left Tackle we draft can start right away i wouldnt really care which order we got them but id much rather have a rookie qb, who isnt ready, sit behind joey for the first few weeks than have a rookie LT, who isnt ready, sit behind Gandy simply because Gandy is hopeless.

Baker's a great pass protector, no doubt, but he has yet to convince that he can be a dominant run blocker.

Yes, Long may have the occasional lapse in pass protection, and that's an issue. But it's worth bearing in mind that a truly dominant run game can, by itself, help pass protection, since teams cannot just tee off on the edge.

If Baker has a season of blowing defenders off the ball, then great, I'd take him over Long. But until then, I'd rather think about the falcons running left side behind Long and Blalock ALL DAY LONG.

But as I've said, I'd rather grab Brohm, and Barry Richardson in the 2nd. He's not quite as dominant in the run game as Long, but arguably as good at pass protection if not better; and he's not as good in pass protection as Baker, but is better in the run game.


I agree with everything everyone has said in this thread so far. Us NFLDC posters know exactly whats up!

Yeah Barker does need to improve his strength a little, i think if we drafted him he would be a little similar to DBrick, solid but getting a little overpowered at times.

I agree with Shiver also. Jake Long does remind me a little of Robert Gallery which is a tad scary, but still he has amazing potential with his strength and size and id pick him, at the moment over Barker.

Also, DRod I like how you compared Richardson to the other 2 guys. Can you now compare Gonsder Cherilus to Richardson, Long and Barker (sp?)

Im thinking
1. Brohm
2. a)Richardson
2. b) Bryant
3. RB
now too,

Also another bit of info. Newberry OT Heath Benidict, provided my info isnt incorrect was born in the Netherlands in 1983. Thats pretty old for a rook. ( i only googled him so it might be wrong)

d34ng3l021
09-20-2007, 02:41 PM
So I think I am slowly going to the Woodson bandwagon.

619
09-20-2007, 03:10 PM
Am I the only person who likes Sam Baker more than Jake Long? I'm not sold on Long's ability to play LT in the NFL and Big-10 Left Tackles scare me in general.

yea tell me bout it..after robert gallery i would be scared to take many big ten left tackles in the 1st round. falcons should stick with brian brohm because hes the real deal and i believe he could be a star in the NFL if put under the right system.

iloxygenil
09-20-2007, 03:11 PM
I like Woodson, I like Brohm...but I want McFadden or Baker...if those guys go 1 and 2 and we're picking 3, fine pick Brohm or Woodson, but if we're picking #1 I want McFadden.

OR

A better option would be to trade out with Dallas for their top 5-10 pick from Cleveland and their 20+ pick leaving us with 2 first rounders to then pick up one of the QBs with our first pick. Leaving us a lot of options with our next 4 picks on the first day...I'd be so happy with that.

619
09-20-2007, 03:14 PM
So I think I am slowly going to the Woodson bandwagon.

yea i also really like andre woodson. wow what a year for QBs..brohm, woodson and brennan. i would argue this is jus as good if not a better draft class for QBs than '06 when young, leinart and cutler were 1st rounders. lucky u falcon fans.

iloxygenil
09-20-2007, 03:27 PM
yea i also really like andre woodson. wow what a year for QBs..brohm, woodson and brennan. i would argue this is jus as good if not a better draft class for QBs than '06 when young, leinart and cutler were 1st rounders. lucky u falcon fans.

Wow you're giving this class a lot of props...no doubt. However I think Matt Ryan has a chance to be a great QB as well...Yeah we're lucky to be looking for a QB and I'm 100% sold that Petrino is the one who got Brohm to go back to Louisville. I said that when we got him as a coach and I'm more and more certain all the time.

I wonder if Petrino will also look to pickup his boy Mario if he comes out this year...

Shiver
09-20-2007, 03:51 PM
I'd rather have Harry Douglas than Mario Urrutia.

619
09-20-2007, 03:53 PM
I'd rather have Harry Douglas than Mario Urrutia.

you will find many other players like harry douglas in the draft but very few like mario urrutia

D-Rod
09-20-2007, 04:16 PM
I'd be surprised if douglas didn't get drafted a full round ahead of mario. you can have all the physical talent in the world, but anyone who watches the games will tell you that douglas is twice the natural receiver that mario is (even if he is half the size).

iloxygenil
09-20-2007, 05:31 PM
Oh I'm well aware that Doug is the better receiver and he's a guy I would like us to look at, BUT, a freak like Mario doesn't come around too often, he'd be a great mismatch guy for us. I mean I'm not saying he's Calvin by any stretch, but his size gives us good match ups. He didn't go for many Louisville guys in this years draft...UDFAs sure, but that makes sense. But will Mario and Brohm be too attractive for him to pass up? You can tell he's pissed off about the offense, he wants to fix it. So, why not go with guys like those 2? We have Robinson and Roddy...we need a mismatch guy...Jenkins COULD have been him, but he's decided he doesn't want to go up and make the plays for us. So, we need that guy. Looks like Roddy is going to go by traditional WR numbers and wait til year 3 to finally do something. He's been holding onto the ball and I've been very happy with his play. Robinson has little to no pressure on him because of his spot on the depth chart and his 3rd round draft status instead of first round status like Roddy and Jenkins. He's also a very natural player at the position and he catches the ball away from his body how you're supposed to.

Those 2 WRs give us great starters we need that big slot guy. But then also we can't forget about defense. It's great right now, BUT...we're getting old...we need a MLB badly, we need a NT badly. We can't let those 2 positions drop or the talent everywhere else on our defense is negated.

d34ng3l021
09-20-2007, 05:53 PM
dude even if we got a guy who gives us match up advantages, we wouldnt use him properly (cough norwood cough)

BamaFalcon59
09-20-2007, 07:11 PM
You don't find many guys like Harry Douglas in the draft. That is a fast WR, who is not as small as advertised height wise (5'11/ 175) and runs sharp routes and catches almost anything thrown his way. Most small recievers stature wise don't go over the middle and often time drop passes or run sloppy routes. Harry doesn't do that. He is a pretty sharp receiver.

falconsrule
09-20-2007, 07:59 PM
I havent had a chance to watch Douglas play that much but he is too small for me only 175. If we do draft a WR next year I would love to get one of the those 6'5 guys for some red zone help.

iloxygenil
09-20-2007, 08:58 PM
We haven't been in a position to use Norwood 'appropriately' we've been stuck in positions to try to just move the ball down the field little by little until we can put some points up...and be in a position to be aggressive.

thefalconer
09-20-2007, 10:20 PM
douglas is a standout wide receiver and its unfortunate that he doesnt play in a more competitive conference where his skills can be better appreciated. although measurements are important, a wr needs to have a natural knack for the position and douglas has that. hes shifty and plays as if hes bigger than he really is. just look at steve smith and then ashley lelie.

D-Rod
09-22-2007, 01:28 PM
Thing is, it's rather irrelevant, since we'd be nuts to draft a receiver in the 2nd round. We have too many holes to plug, and WR is suddenly starting to look respectable.

Roddy has started his 3rd year well, Robinson has shown plenty of promise, Jenks is a pretty good slot guy, and Horn can still make plays. Maybe we'll be looking for a 2nd day steal, and we may even look first day in a year or two, but I really can't see us picking up a receiver first day this year.

iloxygenil
09-22-2007, 02:15 PM
Never know...I mean we all know we have a lot of needs, but we may find a big time faller out of the first round into the 2nd, and having 2 2nd round picks...it could be worth it...

D-Rod
09-22-2007, 04:26 PM
Another 200 yards for Douglas. But 2 picks, and a loss, for Brohm. Advantage Woodson... let's see how he deals with arkansas.

thefalconer
09-22-2007, 10:16 PM
how long do we have horn under contract?

iloxygenil
09-23-2007, 12:30 AM
Kentucky is going to lose to Arkansas. Also you fail to mention what 400+ yards and 4 TDs for Brohm who was forcing trying to keep his team in a game that should have never been close if they had ANY form of a defense. I like both...the more I see the more I want either one so it doesn't matter, but no need to knock Brohm since he's playing lights out.

Horn's contract was 2 or 3 years I forget.

BamaFalcon59
09-23-2007, 06:28 PM
Today's game against Carolina makes me want McFadden even more.

Stash
09-23-2007, 07:54 PM
Why would you want to draft a QB when you have Joey Harrington LOL. He did play lights out today. It would be so funny if he kept this up all season.

D-Rod
09-24-2007, 03:20 AM
Any QB can play well when he gets all the time in the world. I'll hold of judgment until he plays well when he has some pressure in his face. That said, it was a pleasant surprise. Shame about the defense...

d34ng3l021
11-30-2007, 04:00 PM
I am back on Brohm's bandwagon. I think his college experience and very sound throwing motion and footwork are going to be very good tools at the next level. And heres something I found at the afmb:

"If we're going by defensive team rankings, in particular secondaries, then Brohm has faced the better competition. Top 50 secondaries that Brohm has faced:

#2 Rutgers - 1 TDs, 0 INTs, 1 Rushing TD
#7 Pittsburgh - 4 TDs, 0 INTs
#14 UConn - 1 TDs, 2 INTs
#15 Utah - 4 TDs, 0 INTs
#16 WVU - 2 TDs, 2 INTs
#22 Kentucky - 2 TDs, 1 INT

So thats 6 top 25 secondaries and Brohm compiled 14 TDS, and 5 INTs.

Andre Woodson
#6 LSU - 3 TDs, 2 INTs
#18 Vandy - 1 TD, 0 INTs
#25 UGA - 1 TD, 1 INTs

So thats 6 TDs, 3 INTs against top 25 secondaries. "

I dont know if you can really count the whole schedule thing against him.

BamaFalcon59
12-01-2007, 05:14 PM
I love the kid and have him at 4 in my rankings.

1. Darren McFadden, RB Arkansas
2. Jake Long, OT Michigan
3. Brian Brohm, QB Louisville
3. Glenn Dorsey, DT LSU

Very gritty performance against Rutgers. Made some plays by breaking tackles, making plays with his legs, and was smart with the ball.

And that throw to Harry Douglas at the end of the game was great. Very difficult throw to squeeze in there.

D-Rod
12-06-2007, 12:31 PM
For me, there are two conflicting considerations:

1. I think that Brohm is a guaranteed solid QB in the Petrino scheme. He might never be Marino or Manning, but I doubt that he'll be worse than Hasselbeck or pre-injury Pennington. He'll always give his team the opportunity to win games. In my book, that guarantee is worth top 5 value.

2. On the other hand, there are enough doubts about Brohm - mainly regarding scheme, and the fact that Woodson and Ryan have higher upsides in an upside-obsessed league - to push him down the draft. In that case, it would be remiss not to explore the possibility of moving around the draft, especially since we could still get an elite talent at the top of the draft.

If we could get either Long or McFadden at #3 - both of whom would greatly help a new QB - it would become a question of how long we could wait before jumping up to get Brohm.

To an extent, what I'd be willing to give up would depend on what we got in the 1st. If we take Long, I think we can give up both 2nds to move up to around #15-20. We can get a more-than-capable power complement to Norwood in the second day or FA.

If we get McFadden, I think we have to retain at least one of the 2nd rounders to draft an OT. In that scenario, we might have to look at future picks. I'd HATE to give up a future 1st - look how that worked out for the Niners. However, a future 2nd would be more tolerable. The risk factor is significantly less. A current and future 2nd should be capable of getting us up to around #20, which should be enough.

That, in my mind, would be ideal. Coming out of this draft with McFadden, Brohm and, say, Chris Williams, would be fantastic, even at the loss of a 2nd next year.

Of course, the risk is that someone takes Brohm before he gets down into that territory. That would suck, and would leave us with a much more risky prospect for the vital QB position.

BamaFalcon59
12-06-2007, 10:50 PM
I could see Jamaal Anderson moving to DT if Long is the clear-cut top value.