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Shiver
09-13-2007, 01:24 PM
Well another game. I'm not too optimistic about this one, Jacksonville has a talented team that underachieved last week so that's usually a bad thing. I am not afraid of David Garrard and those receivers, so the team should focus on stopping MJD and Fred Taylor. I think the Falcons' defense, minus the rookie mistakes, is pretty solid.

What will really be ugly is our offense versus that defense. No red-zone trips last week and I have my doubts that they will be able to move the ball on Jacksonville.

iloxygenil
09-13-2007, 01:57 PM
Mathis is a tough matchup for our WRs...so it's rough. I know they can control us up the middle...but I think that Robinson and Roddy cause matchup problems against their other corners. But that's about the only advantage we have. I think outside runs we should be able to use, but we can't pound those 2 big boys up the middle.

As far as their offense...I know they aren't going to be flying past our corners because of blazing speed, but their size is very impressive. Their running game is NASTY...MJD is a guy most of us were big fans of for ATL to pickup, now we have to face him...it's going to take some really sure tackling this weekend for us to have a shot at the win, I'm not worried about their backs torching our D, we have tons of speed to spare, but those 5-6 yard runs up the middle that just gash our D have to be stopped. We have to do a better job of keep guards and the center off of Brooking in the middle. So we can change them from 5-6 to 2-3 and that way we can win.

Shiver
09-13-2007, 04:20 PM
All I really want from this team is to beat Carolina in week 3. I don't expect them to win this game, of course I would be glad to be surprised but I'm not counting on it.

d34ng3l021
09-13-2007, 06:38 PM
Yeah. Its pretty much a lost cause. This is gonna be one depressing season.

Nice avatar Shiver.

Shiver
09-13-2007, 11:33 PM
Yeah. Its pretty much a lost cause. This is gonna be one depressing season.

Nice avatar Shiver.

Usually I wait until the Falcons are eliminated before I get interested in the draft. Now that's really all I have to look forward; especially considering that Atlanta will have at least the fifth pick in the draft.

iloxygenil
09-14-2007, 01:41 AM
It makes me really sad that everyone is jumping ship already. I'm not going to spend much time around here anymore if everyone's going to be negative and I get infractions for being positive and being frustrated that fans are falling off the bandwagon left and right. Ya, we're in bad shape, but this team isn't as bad as people are making it out to be. Th Bounces didn't go our way...oh well...if they had we'd have won. Now...this week, I look forward to seeing more Norwood and Robinson. Those are our 2 playmakers on offense. Defensively I hope that we can get ahead and force them to pass more than 3 yard slants so we can use our impressive DL rush. I'm hoping to see Abe and Anderson meet at the QB a couple times, but with their running game, I don't see it happening too much, however with them trying to use the mobile QB more than Minny did, I'm hoping he'll run into some trouble from our ends if we can get them up field. But I guess it's just wait and see now...but I'm going to re-main positive. I love the draft, and I'm watching for targets now, but it's not because our season is over.

Shiver
09-14-2007, 02:10 AM
Don't get me wrong, I'm still rooting for the team to have success. the fact of the matter is the team is not capable to succeed in the here and now. Our QB is a proven failure as an NFL starter, the team is transitioning to new schemes, relying on rookie and other young players to play a lot of snaps. Rebuilding periods happen in the NFL and right now the team is in a state of flux as Petrino removes Jim Mora's players and adds in his own. Rich McKay and the team did a wonderful job this past April to add a lot of players that will work under Petrino; unfortunately a lot more work has to be done.

Had the QB situation not been so horrible the team probably could have stayed in the 'mediocre' category as it has been the past two years until the pieces were assembled, unfortunately that wasn't meant to be. I have no problem being a realist, and the realist inside me tells me the team would be lucky to win five games this year. Oh how I wish you were right and I was wrong!

Shiver
09-14-2007, 03:27 AM
As for the game I think Petrino needs to utilize Jerious Norwood more. He really isn't cut out to be a traditional feature back, but what prevents them from using him like Reggie Bush? Split him out, get him the ball in a multitude of situations and create match-up problems.

iloxygenil
09-14-2007, 10:25 AM
That's what I'm calling for. I bet in this game he's worth a fantasy start, I'm saying he'll get 10-12 carries and 2-5 receptions. If Norwood touches the ball that much, that's going to be quite a bit of offense for us. I'd say he's good for atleast 1 TD every 10-12 touches.

He's a huge homerun threat and I can't wait to see what we do with him this week. I'm starting him over Larry Johnson because that darned Bears Defense and Herm Edwards limiting Larry's carries. Here's to hoping I can hit the lottery lol.

D-Rod
09-14-2007, 11:17 AM
I'm not overly optimistic about this weekend's matchup, but there are a couple of positives for us to take.

1. Our Defense actually played quite well last week, and held up reasonably well against the run. Minnesota have one of the best run-blocking O-lines in the league, and Peterson is a stud. JAX has a good o-line too, and two good backs, but I am optimistic that they are unlikely to run all over us. That will force Garrard to pass, and he is far from proven. If Garrard has over 25 attempts, we're in with a good chance.

2. Our offense struggled against the Vikings purely because of their immense D-line. Not just the Williams twins, who totally stuffed the run, but also their first round DE, Udeze, who is finally injury free. The Vikings could easily claim to have a top-5 Dline. The Jags also have a good D-line, when HEALTHY!! At the moment, they're not even close, and that's a big reason why they got gashed by the Titans. They're still not close to healthy, so it's possible that Petrino will be able to exploit that too. Henderson, Stroud and Heyward are their big three on the Dline, and all three have injuries. Heyward is coming off a major achilles injury, and we know how that affected Hartwell. Stroud has had ankle surgery, which is huge for a DT's mobility, and Henderson has a thigh injury. They're still good players, even at less than 100%, but they're not quite as dominant as the Viking line.

If we can run the ball even averagely, that will consequently improve pass protection, and we'll get a proper look at whether Petrino and Harrington can move the ball through the air on what is a solid, but far from outstanding secondary. Mathis will shutdown one guy, but I like the matchups on their other corners, and so will Petrino, I'm sure.

It'll be a tough game, and we are rightly underdogs, but I think that we have a better chance here than we did against the Vikings. We're not a good team, but we're not that bad either.

iloxygenil
09-14-2007, 01:28 PM
We just can't afford to lose the field position battle like we did last week, we never really got the field flipped, we almost did but the Vikings punter was on point all day...even when punts landed inside the ten the bounced directly out of bounds so it really hurt us. I don't see that happening again this week. We couldn't catch a break last week and on the road it tends to go that way, but we just have to man up and force some things our way. That's where the power OL is going to help us out...once it's in play. Right now it's just simply not there yet. I want to see Blalock be more explosive at the point of attack blowing back a DT once or twice instead of just holding them up or getting pushed backwards. I think right now the game is too mental for him. The switch from RT to LG isn't HUGE but it's just different because the strong side blocking. Before his Right foot was the back foot most of the time to create the pocket, the left foot now is going to get a lot of the back play so it's going to be a little different. Another problem is right now its like he's playing to mental, not physical enough. A person as smart as Justin is will have that problem. He will over analyze right now, until he gets comfortable...which he will, hopefully a less than 100% jags DT pair will allow him to dominate a little more.

BamaFalcon59
09-15-2007, 12:45 AM
Their secondrary doesn't impress me too much, but they have playmaking ability with Reggie Nelson and Rashean Mathis. Their front 7 isn't too bad either, especially inside.

On offense their receivers underacieve, and their QB situation is only average at best. Maurice Jones Drew is a legitimate beast.

For us, I'm not sure we match up so well. I think we can have a high completion percentage again, but I am worried about big plays for their defense and our offense. I'm not sure Harrington can push the ball downfield, although we have some guys who can get deep. And he still makes mental errors, freak plays or not. Rashean Mathis and Reggie Nelson can exploit that. Hopefully Petrino uses their average (with Nelson being a rookie and a new starter at SS) safety situation to our advantage.

Running the ball I don't expect too much, but I wouldn't doubt Norwood breaking a long one. I would also like to see 12-16 carries for Norwood, however unlikely it is.

iloxygenil
09-15-2007, 10:34 AM
I got REALLY mad last night...I was dreaming and all of a sudden I was watching the Falcons play, Joey sold a pump fake, the corner bit, Roddy was WIDE open down the sideline, and Joey overthrew him really bad =/ I'm hoping I didn't look into the future...

falconsrule
09-15-2007, 07:53 PM
I think this game will decide our faith this year.If Joey can bounce back and have a solid game on sunday we might be okay for this year but if he put up another lackluster performance we should be getting ready to draft Andre Woodson.

thefalconer
09-16-2007, 01:00 PM
why did we cut cundiff!!!!

D-Rod
09-16-2007, 02:57 PM
well, that was depressing. Prater.

DraftMichaelHuff
09-16-2007, 02:59 PM
I hate kickers. Look at it this way, most our players play well but we still push ourselves closer and closer to Mr Woodson or Mr Brohm.
Prater single handedly cost us the game, we were the better team.

i like Forster and Houston to start from now on. Is Billy Cundif still a Free Agent?

Shiver
09-16-2007, 03:46 PM
As I said, I just want to beat Carolina next week. The fact that the team played the Jaguars tough at their place is good enough for me and my expectations.

thefalconer
09-16-2007, 04:06 PM
well said shiver. i think its between us, the chiefs, and the browns for the #1 overall pick.

The Unseen
09-16-2007, 04:10 PM
Good job, guys. That obviously should have closer. Joey Harrington wasn't as terrible as I thought he would be, although 7 sacks ain't pretty, albeit O-line is a factor. Roddy White actually did something, which was nice.

Sayonara for four years.

d34ng3l021
09-16-2007, 04:16 PM
Much closer game then I thought.

ATLDirtyBirds
09-16-2007, 06:08 PM
I heard Abe was a force.

thefalconer
09-16-2007, 06:51 PM
abe's performance today was reminiscent of his debut game against the panthers. he played very well but his stats might not reflect that because garrard was very aware and got away from possible sacks.

roddy played lights out today imo. harrington seems to rely on him and they linked up for many important completions today. i loved roddy's energy and YAC.

Shiver
09-16-2007, 09:01 PM
well said shiver. i think its between us, the chiefs, and the browns for the #1 overall pick.


Right now were in the driver's seat for the first pick. The biggest competition is Buffalo.

Geo
09-16-2007, 09:07 PM
I would hope that Buffalo's pass coverage, as struggling as it may be, wouldn't sink to the depths of letting Reggie Williams score a TD on them.

thefalconer
09-16-2007, 09:18 PM
ouch.. low blow.

Geo
09-16-2007, 09:30 PM
As much as it hurts, it's scientific proof that can't be denied. I'm sorry.

iloxygenil
09-16-2007, 11:15 PM
What a joke. Our secondary played well today, but it's going to get better when Houston steps up and takes the role away from Sanders. I am glad Lewis is standing up and fighting, and he'll make a great Nickel corner, but now it's time to get Houston out there starting opposite Deangelo and throw the kid in the fire. Our season is far from over, but you guys have already jumped ship and are clamoring for the #1 overall pick in the draft. I'm very VERY excited about what I'm seeing on the defensive side of the ball. I'd like some more consistent pressure, but overall was good. It's good to see that we have the talent out there on that side of the ball to keep us in games. We are just lacking a couple playmakers on offense. Norwood isn't getting enough touches, that's all there is to it. Robinson will be our playmaker on WR, but he's not ready for that, and he may not be the big play threat we have to have...we're yet to see that. But our QB is NOT the issue folks, Joey is JUST fine. He's not the problem, he may not be the answer, but he's not the biggest position we need to replace. We have to protect our QB better, no matter who he is. Now we need to get some players out there to help him and his managing style.

Shiver
09-17-2007, 01:21 AM
What a joke. Our secondary played well today, but it's going to get better when Houston steps up and takes the role away from Sanders. I am glad Lewis is standing up and fighting, and he'll make a great Nickel corner, but now it's time to get Houston out there starting opposite Deangelo and throw the kid in the fire. Our season is far from over, but you guys have already jumped ship and are clamoring for the #1 overall pick in the draft. I'm very VERY excited about what I'm seeing on the defensive side of the ball. I'd like some more consistent pressure, but overall was good. It's good to see that we have the talent out there on that side of the ball to keep us in games.

Here is where I agree with you. The defense is very solid. They haven't faced a legitimate offense yet, but still they aren't too blame.


We are just lacking a couple playmakers on offense. Norwood isn't getting enough touches, that's all there is to it.Agreed, they need to use him as a check down and let him make a play in the open field.

Robinson will be our playmaker on WR, but he's not ready for that, and he may not be the big play threat we have to have...we're yet to see that.I definitely like what I've seen from him and all of the '07 draft class

But our QB is NOT the issue folks, Joey is JUST fine. He's not the problem, he may not be the answer, but he's not the biggest position we need to replace. We have to protect our QB better, no matter who he is. Now we need to get some players out there to help him and his managing style.Here is where you are dead wrong in my opinion. Joey Harrington is very much not fine. He is one of the worst starting Quarterbacks in the NFL. He has more interceptions than touchdowns, he shows poor pocket awareness, limited arm strength and has been in the league long enough to know he'll never improve. He's like Michael Vick, only he's worse as a passer and he cannot run. Does the rest of the offense need an upgrade? Yes they do, but the Joey Harrington is definitely an issue and definitely is not fine. I might take him over Tarvaris Jackson. That's the only QB in the league I wouldn't take over Harrington.

falconsrule
09-17-2007, 07:57 AM
iloxygenil we know you love the team but being realistic were looking 4-12 dead in the face right now.We have only scored 10 points in two games and so far Joey is on pace to break David Carr sack record by 30 sacks.Cleveland put up 50 points and Anderson had 5 TD's and Oakland can easily be 2-0 right now so where does that leave Atlanta? Worst team in the leauge?

Geo
09-17-2007, 12:50 PM
I didn't know that Wayne Gandy went down with a hamstring injury in the first quarter and the Falcons had a rookie left tackle come in to replace him. (http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/printedition/2007/09/17/falnot0917.html) That explains some of the many sacks yesterday?

thefalconer
09-17-2007, 01:50 PM
no.. the rookie actually played well except for a dumb penalty. harrington just needs way too much time in the pocket.

iloxygenil
09-17-2007, 04:22 PM
He gave up 1, and it was a combo between him and Blalock not having played together enough to know how they were going to handle the stunt. So, I'm fine with him being in there, he's about equal to Gandy, except he can learn and get a little bit better.

Most of their sacks were on the blitz which leaves Joey at fault for not finding someone open when 6 men were blitzing. There had to be a hole somewhere. I'm not happy with this...he manages it fine, he's not a playmaker though. There were MANY times when i wanted him to check to Norwood because he was wide open on the left side, and could have broken at least 2 for TDs no lie. There was 1 when there wasn't even a single DB over there, one where there was just a LB and we all know he's going to beat any LB in the league.