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TitleTown088
09-16-2007, 02:57 PM
He passed Elway with the Win today. Suck on that haters.

RyanLeaf#1
09-16-2007, 04:45 PM
He passed Elway with the Win today. Suck on that haters.

Ive always liked Favre better then Elway, but anyways congrats to him.

TimD
09-16-2007, 04:45 PM
no need to say 'suck on that haters'...

comahan
09-16-2007, 04:46 PM
Yea, you completely killed it by adding the last part.

The Legend
09-16-2007, 04:47 PM
Thats How Hey Roles

iowatreat54
09-16-2007, 04:49 PM
he still can't take a sack like a man from Strahan

still tho, congrats to the man who spells his last name wrong

ny10804
09-16-2007, 04:51 PM
Favre carried the team today. 29-38, 3 TDs, and an INT (from a tipped ball that Donald Driver couldn't handle). With our defense and Favre, we could go some places this year.

Bills2083
09-16-2007, 04:52 PM
Congrats on that Favre.

Addict
09-16-2007, 04:54 PM
Yea, you completely killed it by adding the last part.

absolutely. I was gonna congratulate Favre, but now I'll wait a few pages.

P-L
09-16-2007, 05:09 PM
absolutely. I was gonna congratulate Favre, but now I'll wait a few pages.

I don't think people care enough for this to get to a few more pages...

Addict
09-16-2007, 05:17 PM
I don't think people care enough for this to get to a few more pages...

darn. Well in that case... too bad. congrats Brett, too bad your fans are... well the way they are

ny10804
09-16-2007, 05:39 PM
PL, you're just mad 'cause you have to watch JT O'Sullivan try to lead your team to victory.

neko4
09-16-2007, 06:03 PM
PL, you're just mad 'cause you have to watch JT O'Sullivan try to lead your team to victory.
Winning a game for JT O'sullivan is the equivilant to trying to lick your elbow

Addict
09-16-2007, 06:10 PM
PL, you're just mad 'cause you have to watch JT O'Sullivan try to lead your team to victory.

haha the Vikes have Tavaris for that job, we're both screwed.

DChess
09-16-2007, 06:12 PM
"suck on that haters"? whats wrong with you?

Ewing
09-16-2007, 06:51 PM
He passed Elway with the Win today. Suck on that haters.

And he passes Blanda for the interception mark in a few weeks, too. Suck on that fanboys.

someone447
09-16-2007, 06:58 PM
Wins+TDs+Yards>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Interceptions.

Ewing
09-16-2007, 07:07 PM
Wins+TDs+Yards>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Interceptions.

Never being the clear cut top quarterback in the NFL <<<< Elway and Marino

neko4
09-16-2007, 07:09 PM
Never being the clear cut top quarterback in the NFL <<<< Elway and Marino
tell me who was better than him from 94-98?
Or atleast 95-97, he won 3 mvps in that span

Ewing
09-16-2007, 07:14 PM
tell me who was better than him from 94-98?
Or atleast 95-97, he won 3 mvps in that span

John Elway, Steve Young and Dan Marino were all just as good if not better.

Steve McNair won an MVP award and Tom Brady didn't. I guess he's better than Brady.

wiscbadgerfootball
09-16-2007, 07:16 PM
why do so many people care what one person said. Congrats to Favre on a great record.

neko4
09-16-2007, 07:16 PM
John Elway, Steve Young and Dan Marino were all just as good if not better.

Steve McNair won an MVP award and Tom Brady didn't. I guess he's better than Brady.
from 95-97 steve young, john elway and dan marino were all better?
I can see elway, but definitly not marino or young

someone447
09-16-2007, 07:18 PM
John Elway, Steve Young and Dan Marino were all just as good if not better.

Steve McNair won an MVP award and Tom Brady didn't. I guess he's better than Brady.

| 1994 gnb | 16 | 363 582 62.4 3882 6.7 33 14 | 42 202 2 |
| 1995 gnb | 16 | 359 570 63.0 4413 7.7 38 13 | 39 181 3 |
| 1996 gnb | 16 | 325 543 59.9 3899 7.2 39 13 | 49 136 2 |
| 1997 gnb | 16 | 304 513 59.3 3867 7.5 35 16 | 58 187 1 |

He was easily the best QB in those 4 years. He has carried the Packers for the last 14 years. I won't say he is better than Elway, but he is better than Young for sure, and him and Marino are neck and neck.

1)Elway
2)Montana
3)Unitas
4&5)Favre Marino

bearsfan_51
09-16-2007, 07:27 PM
Peyton Manning will be 1st on the list not too far from now. I'd probably put Brady right below Favre and Marino, but he's got a lot of career to make that up.

Twiddler
09-16-2007, 07:28 PM
why do so many people care what one person said. Congrats to Favre on a great record.

It just set the thread off to a very bad start. Because quite honestly, its a pretty stupid thing to say in the start of a thread and it misrepresents a lot of people in the process.

neko4
09-16-2007, 07:29 PM
Peyton Manning will be 1st on the list not too far from now. I'd probably put Brady right below Favre and Marino, but he's got a lot of career to make that up.
i dont wanna get in to it, cuz it always results in me getting pissed, but i dont think manning should ever be #1 unless he shatters 420 and whatever favre gets

Ewing
09-16-2007, 07:59 PM
Unitas will always be number one. He had Elway's arm, Montana's leadership and Favre's toughness. He played through injuries that would make today's quarterbacks miss the entire season.

Boston
09-16-2007, 08:30 PM
John Elway, Steve Young and Dan Marino were all just as good if not better.

Steve McNair won an MVP award and Tom Brady didn't. I guess he's better than Brady.

Wow. Way to take whatever that minamal amount of credibility you had and completely throw it out the window. Are you a 12 year old that assumes Favre played as he does now in the mid '90's? My god.

yodabear
09-16-2007, 08:32 PM
Who won the super bowl when they played each other. Oh ****, no I didn't. Yes, I did.

Shiver
09-16-2007, 09:04 PM
For consistency I will make a "Brett Favre passes Blanda for most interceptions" thread. If this is acceptable, so is that.

someone447
09-16-2007, 09:09 PM
For consistency I will make a "Brett Favre passes Blanda for most interceptions" thread. If this is acceptable, so is that.

You know that isn't going to happen. Favre's plan his entire career is to get one below Blanda and never throw another. He just needed to throw interceptions so that people wouldn't realize that he really is God. Too bad us Packer fans have it all figured out.

yodabear
09-16-2007, 09:10 PM
For consistency I will make a "Brett Favre passes Blanda for most interceptions" thread. If this is acceptable, so is that.

Wasn't Blanda a kicker?

Boston
09-16-2007, 09:32 PM
For consistency I will make a "Brett Favre passes Blanda for most interceptions" thread. If this is acceptable, so is that.

Hell, why not do it for pass attempts, TD's, and passing yards then as well. If this thread is acceptable? Is that a joke?

bearsfan_51
09-16-2007, 09:38 PM
i dont wanna get in to it, cuz it always results in me getting pissed, but i dont think manning should ever be #1 unless he shatters 420 and whatever favre gets
Manning is going to blow that record out of the water.

49erfaithful
09-16-2007, 09:50 PM
congrats to him

Shiver
09-16-2007, 09:52 PM
Hell, why not do it for pass attempts, TD's, and passing yards then as well. If this thread is acceptable? Is that a joke?


That's what I am saying. To make a thread just to say "suck it haters" is silly to me.

GB12
09-16-2007, 10:02 PM
For consistency I will make a "Brett Favre passes Blanda for most interceptions" thread. If this is acceptable, so is that.
I think that'd be acceptable. It's a long standing record being broken, if you want to make one in two weeks then go ahead.
That's what I am saying. To make a thread just to say "suck it haters" is silly to me.
Yeah that wasn't cool, totally ruined the thread.

Vikes99ej
09-16-2007, 10:08 PM
He might as well said "I welcome male genitalia in my presence".

Ewing
09-16-2007, 10:53 PM
Wow. Way to take whatever that minamal amount of credibility you had and completely throw it out the window. Are you a 12 year old that assumes Favre played as he does now in the mid '90's? My god.

No, I'm saying that Favre was never this god that people(Packer fans) make him out to be. Yeah, he had a good run and is a Hall of Famer but I can still think of guys during his era I would rather have like Elway and Marino. Without question I would put the guy in my top ten quarterbacks of all-time but I've heard people say he's the best ever which is just insane.

Hawk
09-16-2007, 11:01 PM
No, I'm saying that Favre was never this god that people(Packer fans) make him out to be. Yeah, he had a good run and is a Hall of Famer but I can still think of guys during his era I would rather have like Elway and Marino. Without question I would put the guy in my top ten quarterbacks of all-time but I've heard people say he's the best ever which is just insane.

Give me a reason why you would rather have Elway or Marino instead of Favre. What did they have that makes them better?

bearsfan_51
09-16-2007, 11:09 PM
Give me a reason why you would rather have Elway or Marino instead of Favre. What did they have that makes them better?

Elway didn't make 4-5 stupid ass throws per game for one. Elway won two Superbowls. Favre is a tremendous player no doubt, one of the best ever, but he's had a lot of really terrible games too. Far more than most of the other guys you'd put in the upper elite. For that reason, amongst other, he's not the top QB of all time. You're not going to find many non-Packers fans even try to make that argument.

Ewing
09-16-2007, 11:11 PM
Give me a reason why you would rather have Elway or Marino instead of Favre. What did they have that makes them better?

They never approached the all-time interception record.

255979119
09-16-2007, 11:19 PM
What I would like to know is the winning %, I believe that it is almost as important if not more then total wins.

HoopsDemon12
09-16-2007, 11:27 PM
Congrats to Farve... he is a top 7 QB all time IMO... god my freind and his dad arent gonna let me forget this...

Jensen
09-16-2007, 11:31 PM
Grats to Favre, well deserved. Definitely a top 10 QB all-time at least.

255979119
09-16-2007, 11:43 PM
So, let us start the speculation. Is this his last year?

HoopsDemon12
09-16-2007, 11:45 PM
So, let us start the speculation. Is this his last year?

Brett will be playing when my kids watch football... im 17

TitleTown088
09-17-2007, 01:23 AM
That's what I am saying. To make a thread just to say "suck it haters" is silly to me.

Yeah, the entire reason I made it was to say " suck it haters" it had nothing to do with a monumental record. My god, relax about it. Oh yeah and go ahead and make one for his interceptions, because it will come right after the all time TD thread. Then, after you're done with that, steal my avy again. ;)

Shiver
09-17-2007, 01:25 AM
I have to admit this avy is sweet. So I gotta love ya for that.

Turtlepower
09-17-2007, 01:42 AM
Favre is the Cy Young of football.

Shiver
09-17-2007, 01:56 AM
I'm curious, who is the all time QB loss record holder?

Turtlepower
09-17-2007, 01:58 AM
I'm curious, who is the all time QB loss record holder?

I was really trying to look that up. I wouldn't be surprised if it was Favre, Elway, or Marino. A bad QB wouldn't get enough starts to rack up losses.

Ewing
09-17-2007, 02:32 AM
Favre is the Cy Young of football.

One of the most overrated players of all-time who people think is great because of his wins record even though he holds the loss record as well?

255979119
09-17-2007, 02:36 AM
One of the most overrated players of all-time who people think is great because of his wins record even though he holds the loss record as well?

Another great post. Let us see if Cy could get 30 wins a year starting 30 games instead of 50.

Ewing
09-17-2007, 02:38 AM
Another great post. Let us see if Cy could get 30 wins a year starting 30 games instead of 50.

Let's see if he can hit triple digits in strikeouts while starting 30 games. I highly doubt it.

255979119
09-17-2007, 02:39 AM
Let's see if he can hit triple digits in strikeouts while starting 30 games. I highly doubt it.

And yet every baseball historian still touts him as the greatest ever. ******* joke.

Ewing
09-17-2007, 02:44 AM
And yet every baseball historian still touts him as the greatest ever. ******* joke.

There are guys out there who see through the myth. Mathewson, Walter Johnson, Koufax, Grove, Clemens, Maddux, Pedro and possibly Bob Gibson were better.

255979119
09-17-2007, 02:47 AM
There are guys out there who see through the myth. Mathewson, Walter Johnson, Koufax, Grove, Clemens, Maddux, Pedro and possibly Bob Gibson were better.

And of course on most occassions strikeout pitchers do not get as many wins as guys who throw a tad softer.

Ewing
09-17-2007, 02:51 AM
And of course on most occassions strikeout pitchers do not get as many wins as guys who throw a tad softer.

Well you have to able to work the count and now allow runs which is why I'll never throw Nolan Ryan's name into the hat of the greatest pitcher of all-time. Sure, he could strike people out but his ERA was only 38 points better than the league average during his career. Great pitcher but not one of the greatest.

255979119
09-17-2007, 02:52 AM
Well you have to able to work the count and now allow runs which is why I'll never throw Nolan Ryan's name into the hat of the greatest pitcher of all-time. Sure, he could strike people out but his ERA was only 40 points better than the league average during his career. Great pitcher but not one of the greatest.

So are you from Washington? Or do you just love Martinez.

Ewing
09-17-2007, 02:57 AM
So are you from Washington? Or do you just love Martinez.

Maryland and I'm a Mariners fan because of some guy who wore 24. Maybe you've heard of him.

255979119
09-17-2007, 03:25 AM
Maryland and I'm a Mariners fan because of some guy who wore 24. Maybe you've heard of him.

Hehe. Yeah :P

TitleTown088
09-17-2007, 03:26 AM
Favre is the Cy Young of football.

I'd like compare him more to Nolan Ryan.

Addict
09-17-2007, 09:02 AM
I was really trying to look that up. I wouldn't be surprised if it was Favre, Elway, or Marino. A bad QB wouldn't get enough starts to rack up losses.

Kerry Collins maybe? David Carr maybe?

Splat
09-17-2007, 09:16 AM
Good for #4 nice job.:)

Turtlepower
09-17-2007, 10:17 AM
And yet every baseball historian still touts him as the greatest ever. ******* joke.

I don't think I have ever seen 1 baseball historian who says he was the best pitcher ever. If they did, then they are an idiot.

I meant the comparison because of his longevity for than anything else. I believe he is a top-10 QB of all-time and he was one of the best football players in the league in the mid to late 90s.

If he retired 3 or 4 years ago he would still be in Canton. My point wasn't to devalue what he had done, but to say more that he had a knack of winning similar to Cy Young.

drowe
09-17-2007, 10:31 AM
these god damn favre fights get sooooooo old. same ****.

"he is gonna break records"

"yeah, like the interception record. lolz"

"and he's super tough"

"yeah, but he throws a lot of interceptions"


without exaggerating, i have probably seen this same dumbass argument 20 times on this forum. and no new points have been made since the first time i've seen it.

Scotty D
09-17-2007, 10:34 AM
Congrats. Really puts things in perpective.

bearsfan_51
09-17-2007, 10:34 AM
Oh yeah and go ahead and make one for his interceptions, because it will come right after the all time TD thread.I'm actually going to be on the edge of my seat for the next two weeks to see which comes first.

He needs 3 TD's for the record, 2 INT's for the record. Judging by recent history I'd say the INT record goes first, but I'm hoping it happens in the same game, just to see how much attention the media gives both (as if there's really a question, I'll probably be forced to watch a 30 minute montage of Favre fishing with his daughter)

Turtlepower
09-17-2007, 10:36 AM
I'm actually going to be on the edge of my seat for the next two weeks to see which comes first.

He needs 3 TD's for the record, 2 INT's for the record. Judging by recent history I'd say the INT record goes first, but I'm hoping it happens in the same game, just to see how much attention the media gives both (as if there's really a question, I'll probably be forced to watch a 30 minute montage of Favre fishing with his daughter)

I would laugh at him being 1 away from both and end up throwing a ball that his receiver drops and is then intercepted. That would be crazy and unlikely.

drowe
09-17-2007, 10:47 AM
also, for the record, i don't give a crap about the INT record. over his career he is at about a 3:2 TD to INT ratio which is just fine. it's not like he's thrown a disproportionatly high number of picks.

bearsfan_51
09-17-2007, 11:04 AM
also, for the record, i don't give a crap about the INT record. over his career he is at about a 3:2 TD to INT ratio which is just fine. it's not like he's thrown a disproportionatly high number of picks.

Hey that's great. Now you know how a lot of us feel about the TD record.

As a point of comparison, however, his TD/INT may be "just fine" but it puts him nowhere near the best QB's in the league.

Steve Young = 68% TD
Peyton Manning= 67%
Joe Montata = 66%
Tom Brady= 66%
Carson Palmer= 66%
Dan Marino = 62.5%
Marc Bulger= 62%
Brett Favre = 60%
John Elway= 57%

So, other than Elway, who usually had runningbacks that scored touchdowns for him, Favre threw more picks per scoring drives than any of the other modern QB's that are considered elite.

This doesn't take away from Favre's TD record, and he's certainly one of the greatest QB's of our time, but it does say SOMETHING about the counter-argument to his place as the best, or arguably even top 5.

Edit: After further research, I found a few other QB's that have sub 60% TD/INT ratios. Warren Moon, Troy Aikman, and Jim Kelly (though Aikman and Kelly both had RB's that got most of the TD's, and I've always said that Moon was disgustigly overrated, I still can't believe he made the HOF on the first ballot).

bearsfan_51
09-17-2007, 11:25 AM
I'm curious, who is the all time QB loss record holder?

I'm gonna guess Vinny Testaverde, or Dave Kreig, hell maybe Blanda. Somebody that was good enough to stick around a long time on semi-decent teams but still lost a lot of games.

someone447
09-17-2007, 11:37 AM
Hey that's great. Now you know how a lot of us feel about the TD record.

As a point of comparison, however, his TD/INT may be "just fine" but it puts him nowhere near the best QB's in the league.

Steve Young = 68% TD
Peyton Manning= 67%
Joe Montata = 66%
Tom Brady= 66%
Carson Palmer= 66%
Dan Marino = 62.5%
Marc Bulger= 62%
Brett Favre = 60%
John Elway= 57%

So, other than Elway, who usually had runningbacks that scored touchdowns for him, Favre threw more picks per scoring drives than any of the other modern QB's that are considered elite.

This doesn't take away from Favre's TD record, and he's certainly one of the greatest QB's of our time, but it does say SOMETHING about the counter-argument to his place as the best, or arguably even top 5.

Edit: After further research, I found a few other QB's that have sub 60% TD/INT ratios. Warren Moon, Troy Aikman, and Jim Kelly (though Aikman and Kelly both had RB's that got most of the TD's, and I've always said that Moon was disgustigly overrated, I still can't believe he made the HOF on the first ballot).

So obviously Marc Bulger is a better QB than Favre... BF51 I know you don't see it that way but others in this thread surely do... Wait, that says picks per scoring DRIVE not picks per scoring TD pass. So it doesn't matter if Elway had people taking away TD passes.

Favre has had ONE losing season since he took over the starting QB job. He is no where near the leader in losses. Favre has NEVER played with a hall of famer on offense. Sterling Sharpe was on his way, but that was very early in Favre's career. Antonio Freeman, Robert Brooks, and Donald Driver; all very good receivers, none elite receivers. All top 15 at one time or another(arguably) but never truly elite. Dorsey Levens, Edgar Bennet, Ahman Green again very good backs but not elite(except for a couple years for Ahman Green 00,01,03 and in 2000 he only started 11 games.)

Elway didn't win a super bowl until he had TD, who even with as short of a career as he had could arguably make the hall of fame.

Elway threw for 300 TD passes and 226 picks. Favre has ~120 more td passes and 49 more interceptions. Young started 3 complete seasons in his career, he is far too injury prone to be put on a top 5 all time list. Marino had 250 interceptions also, but no one seems to care about that.

In addition to all the major passing records(I am assuming he doesn't get hurt before breaking them) he has the longest consecutive games streak. The Packers have counted on him for the past 14 years and he has been there every game, delivering the win much more often than not.

I don't understand the anti-Favre backlash. He stands for everything that is right with the game. He plays it like a little kid in peewee football, sure he takes chances that most qbs wouldn't risk. He succeeds on many of them. I think had Holmgren stayed in GB Favre would be considered by many as the greatest QB of all time. Holmgren was the only one who was able to real him in and make him take less risks. Throughout his career he has been one of the most exciting players to watch. I can understand Bears and 9ers fans hating on him, but anyone else I just don't get(I would say vikings, but they have had his number in the dome.)

someone447
09-17-2007, 11:38 AM
I'm gonna guess Vinny Testaverde, or Dave Kreig, hell maybe Blanda. Somebody that was good enough to stick around a long time on semi-decent teams but still lost a lot of games.

Archie Manning possibly. He was on a terrible team his entire career.

bearsfan_51
09-17-2007, 11:39 AM
Actually it was INT per scoring TD, I mispoke. INT per scoring drive would probably be a better indicator, but I have no idea how to do that.

bearsfan_51
09-17-2007, 11:43 AM
I don't understand the anti-Favre backlash. He stands for everything that is right with the game. He plays it like a little kid in peewee football, sure he takes chances that most qbs wouldn't risk. He succeeds on many of them. I think had Holmgren stayed in GB Favre would be considered by many as the greatest QB of all time. Holmgren was the only one who was able to real him in and make him take less risks. Throughout his career he has been one of the most exciting players to watch. I can understand Bears and 9ers fans hating on him, but anyone else I just don't get(I would say vikings, but they have had his number in the dome.)
It's the media, in particular Madden and Berman, who have hyped Favre up to ridiculous status.

Bill Simmons has a great quote about the media with Favre. When Favre does anything stupid (which is usually once or twice per game) he's called a "gunslinger". Imagine if that was the case at any other job. Sure Favre is great, but it's the inability of some people to take his greatness in context that is really annoying.

And yeah I'm sure I have a bias as a Bears fan too, but if anything him beating our ass for 10 years made me appreciate his abilities as a winner.

drowe
09-17-2007, 11:48 AM
Hey that's great. Now you know how a lot of us feel about the TD record.

As a point of comparison, however, his TD/INT may be "just fine" but it puts him nowhere near the best QB's in the league.

Steve Young = 68% TD
Peyton Manning= 67%
Joe Montata = 66%
Tom Brady= 66%
Carson Palmer= 66%
Dan Marino = 62.5%
Marc Bulger= 62%
Brett Favre = 60%
John Elway= 57%

So, other than Elway, who usually had runningbacks that scored touchdowns for him, Favre threw more picks per scoring drives than any of the other modern QB's that are considered elite.

This doesn't take away from Favre's TD record, and he's certainly one of the greatest QB's of our time, but it does say SOMETHING about the counter-argument to his place as the best, or arguably even top 5.

Edit: After further research, I found a few other QB's that have sub 60% TD/INT ratios. Warren Moon, Troy Aikman, and Jim Kelly (though Aikman and Kelly both had RB's that got most of the TD's, and I've always said that Moon was disgustigly overrated, I still can't believe he made the HOF on the first ballot).

you're right. ratio is not Favre's strong selling point. just like Marino never won a supbowl and Montana never put up gaudy numbers, Favre will always have the interceptions hanging over his head. but, the fact that his ratio is better than Elway (a guy he's often compared to negatively) really shows that for all that's made of Favre's high INT numbers, they're not that bad.

also, seriously, screw Troy Aikman. IMO, him gettin in on the first ballot was a huge error in judgement. at best, Aikman is a borderline hall of famer, but nowhere near "first ballot status." sorry, that was off topic, but it is something that REALLY angers me.

bored of education
09-17-2007, 11:56 AM
His career rushing are what I would have predicted for Larry Johnson this year

529 1,770 3.4 13

bearsfan_51
09-17-2007, 12:09 PM
I agree about Aikman. The most overrated QB of all time not named Joe Namath. He's a great analyst though, probably the best in the business.

drowe
09-17-2007, 12:24 PM
also, (because i'm in the mood to state which highly regarded QBs are overrated) I am NOT a Joe Montana supporter.

This is a guy that had Jerry Rice to throw to, and got to run Bill Walsh's (at the time revolutionary) west coast offense. he was a great leader, but when your backup can come in after you leave and continue to succeed at the same level, ya gotta question whether he was a product of the system. It is my belief that Joe Montana was good because he played for the 49ers, not that the 49ers were great because Joe Montana played for 'em.

and, i'm not trying to say that I think he sucked. he had great poise in the pocket, he was a great leader with great presence in the huddle and he made the necessary throws. but, in my opinion, this is not a guy that belongs in the 'Greatest QB of All Time' discussion.

ny10804
09-17-2007, 07:48 PM
Whenever you're the most durable player at the most vulnerable position, have been given the league's top award a record three times, will have thrown the most TDs in NFL history (4 away), have won the most games at the most critical position, are on pace to break the career passing yards record (61,436 to Marino's 61,351), and have a super bowl ring to your name... there's an argument for your status as the greatest QB of all-time.

neko4
09-17-2007, 07:51 PM
Why am i hearing all this overated nonsense? Definitly not numero uno, but top5-10 for sure.

GB12
09-17-2007, 08:02 PM
With QBs you can't determine who is 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc. There are arguments for a number of players and everyone has different opinions. Those arguments are never pretty either. The best you can do is set a range.

bearsfan_51
09-17-2007, 08:33 PM
Whenever you're the most durable player at the most vulnerable position, have been given the league's top award a record three times, will have thrown the most TDs in NFL history (4 away), have won the most games at the most critical position, are on pace to break the career passing yards record (61,436 to Marino's 61,351), and have a super bowl ring to your name... there's an argument for your status as the greatest QB of all-time.
Then why do only Packers fans, and maybe John Madden, seem to feel that way? Hell, a large % of Packers fans don't even think that.

Vikes99ej
09-17-2007, 08:37 PM
I can only think of one quarterback better than Brett Favre....















http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2007/writers/michael_silver/04/05/strong.arms/p1_druckenmeiler.jpg

someone447
09-17-2007, 09:20 PM
Then why do only Packers fans, and maybe John Madden, seem to feel that way? Hell, a large % of Packers fans don't even think that.

You don't think there is a legitimate argument for him being the top qb of all time? I might not think he is, but he most definitely can be argued as such. I don't think that he is the best, but he without a doubt is top 5.

Boston
09-17-2007, 09:33 PM
Then why do only Packers fans, and maybe John Madden, seem to feel that way? Hell, a large % of Packers fans don't even think that.

I'm not understanding this post. Most people have no opinion at all on the matter. Rather, they follow what the general consensus is, Elway, Montana, or Marino, in order to "play it safe" if you will. Why would nobody argue that Favre is one of, if not the best QB's of all time when he has the stats, the ring, the MVP's, the toughnes, etc. And, please, if you do decide to answer this, don't bring up interceptions, we've all heard this before.

bearsfan_51
09-17-2007, 09:35 PM
I'm not understanding this post. Most people have no opinion at all on the matter. Rather, they follow what the general consensus is, Elway, Montana, or Marino, in order to "play it safe" if you will. Why would nobody argue that Favre is one of, if not the best QB's of all time when he has the stats, the ring, the MVP's, the toughnes, etc. And, please, if you do decide to answer this, don't bring up interceptions, we've all heard this before.
That's like saying, the Unibomber was a great guy except for all those murders.

You can also look at him only winning one ring if that's how you evaluate QB's (I personally don't) but to me it comes down to inefficiencies. The quarterback's primary job is to be consistant and efficient, Favre is neither.

And I don't even know what "play it safe" means. People have opinions for a variety of reasons. Simply because you don't like them because you're a Packers fan doesn't make them any less informed. Stop being a homer.

Boston
09-17-2007, 09:54 PM
That's like saying, the Unibomber was a great guy except for all those murders.

You can also look at him only winning one ring if that's how you evaluate QB's (I personally don't) but to me it comes down to inefficiencies. The quarterback's primary job is to be consistant and efficient, Favre is neither.

And I don't even know what "play it safe" means. People have opinions for a variety of reasons. Simply because you don't like them because you're a Packers fan doesn't make them any less informed. Stop being a homer.

How am I being a homer in any way? Any time a conversation on Favre comes up, and a Packer fan argues for Favre, he's called a Favre homer. Let's try to get past that for a bit.

Most people aren't informed in the matter at all. When they think of Marino, they think of the guy with all the stats, but no ring. Elway is thought of as the comeback kid, and Montana is though of as the leader, winner, Mr. Clutch, The Catch, etc. When people think of Brett Favre, they think of the guy that throws too many interceptions, which is completely ridiculous.

The quarterbacks primary job is to put his team in a position to win the game. As evidence by the recent record that's been broken, it's apparent Favre has done that. Sure Favre's lost a few games, but he sure as hell made up for those with many come from behind victories, great throws, etc. Favre shouldn't be judged on this Joe Montana like template. Favre's a completely different quarterback when compared to a Montana or Brady... Well, my mind is pretty much shot from the day, so I'm going to leave this post without a proper ending. I think the general point was conveyed.

TitleTown088
09-18-2007, 06:40 AM
I'll go on the record and state that I'm a huge Favre homer, and I'm proud of it. If no one was noticed yet, that is. I don't think you should take such offense in being called a Favre homer Boston, the only reason Viking, Bear, and Lion fans call Packers "Favre homers" is because they are utterly jealous that he smacked their ass around for the most part the past 17 seasons. Especially the Bears. They wish they had him, and they can't have him.

When people think of Brett Favre, they think of the guy that throws too many interceptions, which is completely ridiculous.


Again, individuals who think this way are Lion, Bear, and Viking fans. And even they know it's not true, they just say it to have something negative to say about him. The only other group of people who say this are people who were still in a stroller when Favre was launching taders to Sharpe and co.( Not that I was too old , but i knew what was going on during the 90s). Like my best friend( whom happens to be a die hard viking fan) says " If you don't like Brett Favre, you're probably ***."

Yung Flippa
09-18-2007, 07:45 PM
In my opinion, the BEST QB. Thats just to me.

Hawk
09-18-2007, 09:01 PM
Elway didn't make 4-5 stupid ass throws per game for one. Elway won two Superbowls. Favre is a tremendous player no doubt, one of the best ever, but he's had a lot of really terrible games too. Far more than most of the other guys you'd put in the upper elite. For that reason, amongst other, he's not the top QB of all time. You're not going to find many non-Packers fans even try to make that argument.

Elway going out on top with those 2 Super Bowls really hyped him up. He had TD during those 2 years, but what was he before that? People seem to "hate" on Favre cause a lot of people don't remember him in the 90's, his Super Bowl win was a decade ago. His interceptions could be blamed on him playing through injuries or just being on a bad team trying to win, but no one knows that and I'm not gonna argue it.

He has the resume that could arguable be the GOAT, does that mean I think he is? No, but he's #2 for me.

bearsfan_51
09-18-2007, 10:04 PM
Trust me, it's not for lack of not remembering. I'm older than almost all of you. If anything I question how many of you from the 16-18 year old crowd really know of Favre in his prime (seeing as how you were 6-8 probably not so much).

Either way, I don't think of Favre as "the guy that threw all those interceptions". To be honest the first thing I think of when I think of Favre is John Madden and the crazy media hype he gets. Then probably Wrangler jeans. Damn subliminal marketing.

Vikes99ej
09-18-2007, 10:35 PM
Just my opinion, but Peyton Manning > Brett Favre, but Favre is one of the toughest players I've ever seen.

255979119
09-18-2007, 10:40 PM
Just my opinion, but Peyton Manning > Brett Favre, but Favre is one of the toughest players I've ever seen.

Yeah, Favre is tough. Manning seems like a bloody puzzy.

ny10804
09-18-2007, 10:42 PM
You know the Greek gods? Brett Favre's one step above that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9Xu7zWEbrw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvDOHYy49V0&mode=related&search=

255979119
09-18-2007, 10:44 PM
You know the Greek gods? Brett Favre's one step above that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9Xu7zWEbrw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvDOHYy49V0&mode=related&search=

At least know the bloody names if your going to make a comparison.

ny10804
09-18-2007, 10:50 PM
At least know the bloody names if your going to make a comparison.

I'll note that...

Another great video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4Fz1nSAnHY&mode=related&search=

Hawk
09-18-2007, 10:51 PM
Trust me, it's not for lack of not remembering. I'm older than almost all of you. If anything I question how many of you from the 16-18 year old crowd really know of Favre in his prime (seeing as how you were 6-8 probably not so much).

Either way, I don't think of Favre as "the guy that threw all those interceptions". To be honest the first thing I think of when I think of Favre is John Madden and the crazy media hype he gets. Then probably Wrangler jeans. Damn subliminal marketing.

I want to know how you would rank him

bearsfan_51
09-18-2007, 10:52 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzmM4D4OxNA

"I'm going to get me some and have a big fat orgasm with Brett Favre".

bearsfan_51
09-18-2007, 10:53 PM
I want to know how you would rank him
Depends...am I including current players? Players from the pre-modern era? They need to be classified in different categories IMO.

someone447
09-18-2007, 10:54 PM
I like how they split it up a few years ago in SI, after '76 and before '76 the year the rules were changed to open up the passing game.

Vikes99ej
09-18-2007, 11:00 PM
I'll go on the record and state that I'm a huge Favre homer, and I'm proud of it. If no one was noticed yet, that is. I don't think you should take such offense in being called a Favre homer Bostononly reason Viking, Bear, and Lion fans call Packers "Favre homers" is because they are utterly jealous that he smacked their ass around for the most part the past 17 seasons. Especially the Bears. They wish they had him, and they can't have him.



Again, individuals who think this way are Lion, Bear, and Viking fans. And even they know it's not true, they just say it to have something negative to say about him. The only other group of people who say this are people who were still in a stroller when Favre was launching taders to Sharpe and co.( Not that I was too old , but i knew what was going on during the 90s). Like my best friend( whom happens to be a die hard viking fan) says " If you don't like Brett Favre, you're probably ***."

Guess what, Tittietown? Brett Favre is a whopping 15-15 against us. That IS kicking our ass. And during the 90s, when he was supposedly in his prime, he was 6-10 against us.

someone447
09-18-2007, 11:01 PM
Guess what, Tittietown? Brett Favre is a whopping 15-15 against us. That IS kicking our ass. And during the 90s, when he was supposedly in his prime, he was 6-10 against us.

Well, he did kick your ass in Lambeau.

Turtlepower
09-18-2007, 11:02 PM
Guess what, Tittietown? Brett Favre is a whopping 15-15 against us. That IS kicking our ass. And during the 90s, when he was supposedly in his prime, he was 6-10 against us.

To be fair, he was the only QB in the NFC North to lead his team to a Super Bowl win.

Vikes99ej
09-18-2007, 11:04 PM
To be fair, he was the only QB in the NFC North to lead his team to a Super Bowl win.

Still, I don't consider going 6-10 against us whooping our ass. That's just how I feel.

Hawk
09-18-2007, 11:07 PM
Depends...am I including current players? Players from the pre-modern era? They need to be classified in different categories IMO.

eh...just the whole Super Bowl era, yeah go ahead and include current players.

bearsfan_51
09-19-2007, 12:47 AM
eh...just the whole Super Bowl era, yeah go ahead and include current players.

Superbowl era eh? Well this will be with very little thought, as I have a paper due tomorrow and it's almost 1.

1)Peyton Manning....anyone that disagrees now will look foolish in ten years.
2)Joe Montana
3)Johnny Unitas
4)John Elway
5)Steve Young
6)Brett Favre
7)Dan Marino
8)Fran Tarkenton
9)Tom Brady (he'll jump some people too)
10)Sunny Jurgenson

The biggest controversy on the list (besides the Manning haters) is probably Young above Marino and Favre. Personally I have a hard time faulting Young because he was drafted by a terrible Tampa team, ended up behind Joe Montana, and then ended his career prematurely due to concussions.

His numbers in the seasons that he was playing were amazing. Young was a full-time starter for 7 years in San Fran, he made the Probowl all 7 years.

Favre and Marino is close to me. I give Favre the edge cause he won a ring, his durability, and the fact that he never had a perm.

I also predict that before Brady's done he'll jump everyone but Manning, Montana, and maybe Unitas.

It's hard to place Unitas, Tarkenton, and Jurgenson, as QB's before the WCO threw with much less efficiency and for more interceptions. The game wasn't catered to the QB position as it is today

bearsfan_51
09-19-2007, 12:56 AM
Oh...and I don't include Bradshaw because unlike twits like Jaws (actually I love Jaws) I understand that Rings don't necessarily equal great QB. Namath was ok. Bradshaw was slightly above average. Aikman was borderline good. None of them were great. None of them even come close to my top 10.

TitleTown088
09-19-2007, 04:55 AM
Young above Favre and Marino, eh? I cant say im in agreement with that one one bit.

Sure Manning likly will be in 10 years, but who the hell knows the future? A big time knee injury and his elite of elite status could be out the window. For him to be considered number 1 in my opinion he needs to put up atleased five more years of this caliber play.

For the record Im not an 16 or 18 year old kid, I remeber when Favre was Favre for the most part. And by saying that Im not implying the man cant ball anymore either.

someone447
09-19-2007, 01:52 PM
Superbowl era eh? Well this will be with very little thought, as I have a paper due tomorrow and it's almost 1.

1)Peyton Manning....anyone that disagrees now will look foolish in ten years.
2)Joe Montana
3)Johnny Unitas
4)John Elway
5)Steve Young
6)Brett Favre
7)Dan Marino
8)Fran Tarkenton
9)Tom Brady (he'll jump some people too)
10)Sunny Jurgenson


I wouldn't put Manning that high yet. I do think he will be there, but I don't like to rank players until they are at the tail end of their career. So that being said, I have no doubt Manning will be considered the best hands down when it is all said and done, I just don't put him up there yet.

My biggest problem with Steve Young is that he only played 3 full seasons. He had over 3500 yards three times, only two seasons over 30 TDs. He also didn't start for almost half his career. Granted, he was behind Montana, but I can't put him in an all time list with all those strikes against him, especially not top 5.

Montana also bothers me when I am doing these sorts of lists. He couldn't play in anything but the WCO, but he ran that to perfection. Favre, Elway, Marino all those guys could play in any offense and still be considered one of the best all time. There is no way Montana could have played in an offense like Dan Fouts played in, he just didn't have the arm strength. Montana is the ultimate winner, but athletically left something to be desired. That being said, I still have him as a top 5 QB(at least until Manning is said and done, possibly Brady too.)

But I think that is a very fair list.

drowe
09-19-2007, 02:25 PM
my whole thing on the greatest QB of all time is; it's obvious there will never be a concensus GOAT. all we're ever gonna have is a discussion. and to be included in that discussion is the best thing any QB can hope for. And, Brett Favre is very clearly a part of that discussion.

for the record, QBs i'd include in the discussion are:

Brett Favre
Dan Marino
Johnny Unitas
John Elway
*Peyton Manning
#Joe Montana
&Tom Brady

*-if his career keeps going the way it's going.
#-i think he's overrated, but i'm not delusional enough to think he's not gonna be mentioned as the greatest of all time by every other football fan in the world.
&-if his career keeps going the way it's going, he'll have a handful of superbowl rings and stats that will eclipse every other QB with his Superbowl credentials.

Ewing
09-19-2007, 03:51 PM
1)Peyton Manning....anyone that disagrees now will look foolish in ten years.
2)Joe Montana
3)Johnny Unitas
4)John Elway
5)Steve Young
6)Brett Favre
7)Dan Marino
8)Fran Tarkenton
9)Tom Brady (he'll jump some people too)
10)Sunny Jurgenson

It's 2007 not 2017. Unitas is still better than Manning.

neko4
09-19-2007, 08:48 PM
Superbowl era eh? Well this will be with very little thought, as I have a paper due tomorrow and it's almost 1.

1)Peyton Manning....anyone that disagrees now will look foolish in ten years.
2)Joe Montana
3)Johnny Unitas
4)John Elway
5)Steve Young
6)Brett Favre
7)Dan Marino
8)Fran Tarkenton
9)Tom Brady (he'll jump some people too)
10)Sunny Jurgenson



In 10 years, why not, if he keeps it out. But right now to go against Unitas is a sin. Okay not that bad...
The dude retired with numerous records(TD's,and im sure the other 4, get back to that later) , and two championships (and one loss)

yodabear
09-19-2007, 08:57 PM
I saw Jaws' list the other night, Tom freeking Brady was #2 or 3, WTF is that? Thats awful.

neko4
09-19-2007, 09:02 PM
I saw Jaws' list the other night, Tom freeking Brady was #2 or 3, WTF is that? Thats awful.
Where can i find his list?

bearsfan_51
09-19-2007, 10:07 PM
Yeah guys...but Jaws watches a lot of tape. If you don't believe him he'll tell you.

neko4
09-19-2007, 10:08 PM
3. aikman was 2. which might make it worse.
so who was number, himself?

bearsfan_51
09-19-2007, 11:17 PM
i assume peyton, but i only remember being incensed that troy aikman was even listed, let alone #2 ever.
I believe that it was Montana. He basically did it on Superbowl wins alone. Bradshaw was 4th I believe.