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ccB
09-28-2007, 11:20 AM
Who do you guys want in the draft, initially I wanted Andre Woodson but he appears to be rising to high for our pick. If hes around I'd love to grab him and another guy I'd love to take would be CB/S Reggie Smith out of Oklahoma, the dude is sick he could solve a lot of our DB problems. HAs the potential to be a starting CB or S he is also a sick KR/PR specialist.

Ravens1991
09-28-2007, 02:41 PM
I wouldnt mind Howie Longs kid.

ccB
09-28-2007, 02:49 PM
I wouldnt mind Howie Longs kid.

Yeah he would be a perfect fit. I do not like our depth at DE, its especially showing now that Pryce is out. I think he will most likely go before our pick as well.

Ravens1991
09-28-2007, 05:28 PM
yea our DE depth sucks plus Pryce is like 31 or 32

SeanTaylorRIP
09-28-2007, 05:32 PM
Lets draft Erin Henderson.

Yung Flippa
09-28-2007, 08:26 PM
The order, that I would want our 1st round pick to be in:

1. Andre Woodson
2. Chris Long
3. A Top Corner

EdReedUnstoppable
09-28-2007, 08:52 PM
Andre Woodson is this years Jamarcus Russell, meaning I really wanted both pre-season but both played so well that they rose above our pick #.


My Top 5 assuming we pick in the middle of the draft are...

1. Antoine Cason CB, Arizona
2. Quentin Groves DE/OLB, Auburn
3. Lawrence Jackson DE/OLB, USC
4. Philip Wheeler OLB, Georgia Tech
5. Early Doucet WR, LSU

ccB
09-28-2007, 10:57 PM
Groves would be a monster opposite Sizzle.

dcarey20
09-29-2007, 09:15 PM
Honestly the 2008 draft should be interesting because we don't have any big problem areas. Defensive line would be my top priority, whether it be for the future or for depth. Chris Long is my ideal pick right now. He just fits perfectly for us, and could be a great successor to Pryce. Even when Pryce is here he provides great depth for us.

I'm not a big fan of drafting a corner 1st round, I'm a big believer in guys like Pittman, Martin, and Prude. I think the Ravens showed alot of confidence in them by passing on CB in the 2007 draft. I think one of them will step up and be a future starter for us.

After defensive line, I really can't think of our next biggest weakness. I think we are set at alot of areas, for depth and the future. Wide receiver comes to mind, but Clayton and D-Will are the future starters for us, anyone we would draft would be a slot guy. Though I wouldn't mind looking at a slot guy in round 2, because I love having a boatload of offensive weapons.

ChefMike
09-30-2007, 09:26 AM
Wait a minute... Why are we going after a QB ???? Our QB's have not faired to poorly this year ? Boller has played well and McNair has been hurt and Troy Smith didnt look bad in preseason he just needs seasoning ?! If anything I would be looking to add depth to the Defensive side of the ball...

LB or CB is a need as is DE. Unless we are drafting the next Peyton Manning I would not be looking to QB in the 1st rd. We need to sure up our core the defense. Ray is not getting younger nor is CMac and we need to add another young LB to the mix with Bart and Suggs. I think the OL will be fine next year and the next 4 or 5 years after that if we continue to develop the young talent we have there. RB is pretty solid in my opinion and WR is good as well. Maybe we look to bring in a TE to play behind Heap in the later rounds ?

Ravens1991
09-30-2007, 09:42 AM
No need for a back up TE, I think Quinn can be good.

ChefMike
09-30-2007, 06:59 PM
No need for a back up TE, I think Quinn can be good.

Good point... your right. Hell he got his 1st TD today right ? I think he could stand to bulk up a bit though ?

I would like to see some depth along the DL we are not getting the push we need from the ends like we had last year... maybe this is the effect of not having AD in there ?

EdReedUnstoppable
09-30-2007, 07:15 PM
Quinn doesn't need to bulk up he's 270 and he's a great backup TE, and btw TOLD YOU SO!

EdReedUnstoppable
09-30-2007, 07:19 PM
You have to go CB in the 1st rd IMO.......

CMac - regardless of today C Mac is a great CB but he'll be 31 next year.

Samari - regardless of what most think Samari is still a very good CB, but he'll be 32 next year

Corey Ivy - Decent nickel but he'll be 31 next year

Ronnie Prude, David Pittman, Derrick Martin - None of these 3 should ever be starters for us, they just don't have the skills, they are nickel and dime guys at best.

dcarey20
09-30-2007, 07:35 PM
Derrick Martin and David Pittman definitely have the 'skills' needed to be starters. Ronnie Prude is really the only one of the 3 that is physically limited.

Remember Pittman was a day 1 pick, and alot of teams were interest in him. Though he hasn't lived up to his draft status, he showed alot of great attributes for a corner. He ran in the mid 4.4's, and showed that he's a pretty fluid player. I know alot of people have written him off, but I still think he can be an effective player. He just needs to work on his confidence and learning the system.

And Martin is probably the most physically gifted player in our secondary. That includes Reed, McAlister, etc. He really has the potential to be as good as he wants. Great size with great bulk at 5'10, 200-205 pounds. He can jam guys, and he has the speed and athleticism to run with receivers. 4.40 speed, and sick leaping ability. Could have easily been a day 1 pick on talent alone. His thing is just getting more playing time and expierience. He's really, really raw at this point.

Maybe you meant something else by "skills", but Pittman and Martin have the ability to be good players.

I know I'm in the minority with these guys, but I think that one of them will step up for us in the future.

EdReedUnstoppable
09-30-2007, 07:37 PM
Sorry DC I more meant game play skills not measureables, of course they all have NFL quality measurables they are all NFL players but none of the play up to their potential.

dcarey20
09-30-2007, 07:39 PM
Sorry DC I more meant game play skills not measureables, of course they all have NFL quality measurables they are all NFL players but none of the play up to their potential.

Yeah that's what I figured after I was done typing that, and I can see where you're coming from. None of them have really shown the ability to be full time players yet. Just one of those things, I like all 3 of them and I think one will step up for us.

EdReedUnstoppable
09-30-2007, 07:41 PM
Yeah that's what I figured after I was done typing that, and I can see where you're coming from. None of them have really shown the ability to be full time players yet. Just one of those things, I like all 3 of them and I think one will step up for us.


I like the 3 of them as what they are now, Pittman as a nickel/dime guy same with Prude, and Martin as a gunner on special teams/dime CB, I dont like any of the 3 as starters however. If I had to choose 1 of the 3 to start then I'd pick David Pittman.

Ravens1991
09-30-2007, 07:43 PM
yes we need CB.

Ravens1991
09-30-2007, 08:23 PM
What is everybody thoughts about Crable from Michigan?


Also I wouldnt mind a possesion WR who can break tackles like Anquan Boldin but obviously he wont be that good.

dcarey20
09-30-2007, 08:37 PM
I like the 3 of them as what they are now, Pittman as a nickel/dime guy same with Prude, and Martin as a gunner on special teams/dime CB, I dont like any of the 3 as starters however. If I had to choose 1 of the 3 to start then I'd pick David Pittman.

Martin is my guy, I think his athleticism makes him perfect for us. Pittman is next, with Prude third. I'd take any of them as a starter over Corey Ivy right now.

ironman4579
10-01-2007, 11:17 AM
What is everybody thoughts about Crable from Michigan?


Also I wouldnt mind a possesion WR who can break tackles like Anquan Boldin but obviously he wont be that good.

I truly think that Crable could end up being the top 3-4 OLB available. He's got great versatility, and I believe he's going to put up great numbers at the combine. Top measurables IMO. Plus he's having a monster senior season so far.

5 games, 37 tackles, 14 TFL, 4.5 sacks, 2 FF, 1 FR, 1 BrUp

Ravens1991
10-01-2007, 01:48 PM
yea I kind of hope his stock falls so the Ravens could get him in the 1st or he pulls a Lamar Woodley and gets to the second.

ironman4579
10-01-2007, 02:39 PM
yea I kind of hope his stock falls so the Ravens could get him in the 1st or he pulls a Lamar Woodley and gets to the second.

I think his stock is probably actually going up, but you never know.

mikedoobie
10-01-2007, 07:14 PM
right now Long tops my list then i look at the CB's. I would rank them:
1) malcolm jenkins tOSU*
2) reggie smith OU*
3) Tarrell Thomas USC
4) Antoine Cason Arizona
5) Aqib Talib KSU*

Thomas and cason right now for me are nearly interchangeable

dcarey20
10-01-2007, 09:37 PM
My favorite 'tweener' is Tommy Blake out of TCU. He's big, explosive, and productive. I think he could be a real stud if he goes to a team that can use him in that Adalius Thomas type role. But then again, addressing the tweener spot is a bit like cornerback, at least in my mind. I have confidence in Antwan Barnes, I think he'll become a really solid player. Sizzle should be resigned, and JJ has been really solid for us. So I'm not sure if it's a first round need for us.

If I'm picking right now, and we're in the middle of the pack, I'd say a defensive lineman like Chris Long in round 1 (he may be gone by top 10 though), and a receiver in round 2. Marcus Monk is a guy that has always intriguied me, he seems like a solid possible option in round 2. Huge at 6'6", so he could give us a really nice redzone threat (what Clarence should have been). Another thing that we might need to look at is a reserve running back, maybe on early day 2 or quite possibly day 1 (like the bengals taking Kenny Irons). Mike Anderson should be done after this year, and Musa is only on a 1 year deal. If Moose continues to show these nice flashes, he could get a solid deal in FA and go to a team where he can possibly be more involved. With both of those guys out, it leaves us with Mac, Daniels, and Ross as our tailbacks. Obviously Ross contributes nothing as a running back, and we have no idea what to expect with Daniels. I like a guy like Justin Forsett out of Cal, maybe in the 4th round if he's there.

Obviously the draft is so far away, I'm just throwing some things out there.

EdReedUnstoppable
10-02-2007, 12:08 AM
My favorite 'tweener' is Tommy Blake out of TCU. He's big, explosive, and productive. I think he could be a real stud if he goes to a team that can use him in that Adalius Thomas type role. But then again, addressing the tweener spot is a bit like cornerback, at least in my mind. I have confidence in Antwan Barnes, I think he'll become a really solid player. Sizzle should be resigned, and JJ has been really solid for us. So I'm not sure if it's a first round need for us.

If I'm picking right now, and we're in the middle of the pack, I'd say a defensive lineman like Chris Long in round 1 (he may be gone by top 10 though), and a receiver in round 2. Marcus Monk is a guy that has always intriguied me, he seems like a solid possible option in round 2. Huge at 6'6", so he could give us a really nice redzone threat (what Clarence should have been). Another thing that we might need to look at is a reserve running back, maybe on early day 2 or quite possibly day 1 (like the bengals taking Kenny Irons). Mike Anderson should be done after this year, and Musa is only on a 1 year deal. If Moose continues to show these nice flashes, he could get a solid deal in FA and go to a team where he can possibly be more involved. With both of those guys out, it leaves us with Mac, Daniels, and Ross as our tailbacks. Obviously Ross contributes nothing as a running back, and we have no idea what to expect with Daniels. I like a guy like Justin Forsett out of Cal, maybe in the 4th round if he's there.

Obviously the draft is so far away, I'm just throwing some things out there.


I know it was against 4th and 5th stringers but Ross looked great in pre-season and he could be a nice change of pace from McGahee, but I agree that if we can get a more talented RB or if PJ Daniels can remain healthy they should get the job.

SeanTaylorRIP
10-02-2007, 02:28 PM
Give me Keon Lattimore day 2.

Ravens1991
10-02-2007, 02:53 PM
Yea anything that will make Ray happy, plus Lattimore is a good player.

BigDawg819
10-02-2007, 03:24 PM
Tony Carter out of Florida State, the kid has skills.

EdReedUnstoppable
10-03-2007, 03:02 AM
Give me Keon Lattimore day 2.

KEON IS A BEAST!!!! He may go before day 2 the way he is playing!


I was right once again about Keon and Lance Ball and who was better, sometimes its hard to be so right.

BigDawg819
10-03-2007, 10:19 AM
KEON IS A BEAST!!!! He may go before day 2 the way he is playing!


I was right once again about Keon and Lance Ball and who was better, sometimes its hard to be so right.

Luckily you handle it with the utmost of grace and humility.

ccB
10-03-2007, 11:23 AM
I was on the Keon bandwagon from the beginning as well. No discredit to Lance though, hes a great number 2 option for the Terps.

I think Keon is in for a big year. I actually like him more than Ball but I am usually in the minority with that opinion. Word is Keon has been showing up Lance in camp. If Keon can put up a big year he has pretty good measurables I could see him getting picked late. I could see both him and Ball get picked actually. I think if Heyward-Bey continues what he started last year he could end up declaring and at 6'3 and running as fast as he does he could easily be a first round pick. Same goes with Erin Henderson a big year from him could cause him to declare and be a first rounder. I fully expect Dre Moore to set the combine on fire and work himself into a first day pick if not first rounder. Maryland is notorious for our work out warriors and athletic freaks, and I think Dre will be that guy this year.

EdReedUnstoppable
10-03-2007, 12:19 PM
Luckily you handle it with the utmost of grace and humility.

As I handle everything. :)

Ravens1991
11-08-2007, 07:39 PM
what would you do if we take Glenn Dorsey and go 4-3 permanetly? Granted Glenn may not be at our pick.

SeanTaylorRIP
11-08-2007, 07:43 PM
Matt Ryan, Brian Brohm, Andre Woodson, whoever drops to us. I'd have Woodson and Ryan as a tie for me with Brohm last. Brohm is too much of a gunslinger for the Ravens who need ball security with their defense, Woodson is the best at that, Ryan can be secure when he wants to but has Brett Favre syndrome sometimes.

Ravens1991
11-08-2007, 07:54 PM
yea I hope we get a QB that can play football. Do you think Woodson being in a non-NFL style offense will affect him in the pros?

Yung Flippa
11-08-2007, 10:39 PM
Top Needs:
1. Andre Woodson or another Top QB
2. Cornerback
3. D-Lineman
4. Hybrid

BucSappy
11-08-2007, 11:05 PM
yea I hope we get a QB that can play football. Do you think Woodson being in a non-NFL style offense will affect him in the pros?

?

He is in a pro style offense. It is a "Multiple Form" offense dubbed by OC Joker Phillips. Kentucky runs the ball more than they throw it, and they really don't throw the ball long that often. Woodson has the freedom to audible into different plays, and he has to be able to read defenses proficiently.

ccB
11-09-2007, 12:57 PM
I'd really like Ryan or Woodson as well but I have a gut feeling if we draft a QB he will be a dud.

Ravens1991
11-09-2007, 02:00 PM
?

He is in a pro style offense. It is a "Multiple Form" offense dubbed by OC Joker Phillips. Kentucky runs the ball more than they throw it, and they really don't throw the ball long that often. Woodson has the freedom to audible into different plays, and he has to be able to read defenses proficiently.

dunce move on my part I thought it wasn't a pro offense.

Ravens1991
11-09-2007, 02:01 PM
I'd really like Ryan or Woodson as well but I have a gut feeling if we draft a QB he will be a dud.

If Billick stays chances are he will be a dud, if we get a new coach it is a whole different story.

BigDawg819
11-09-2007, 02:29 PM
If Billick stays chances are he will be a dud, if we get a new coach it is a whole different story.

That is such BS and you know it.

Hopefully we can get Matt Ryan, I've loved watching this guy the past 2 years and I just love his game and his moxy on the field. Yes he does have some of that Favre syndrome that Ghetto suggested but still he's worth a selection. But we have to allow him time to grow into the system and not rush him ala Kyle Boller. Hopefully with a new QB we also get a new offensive system, sorry Coach but you can't run our offense anymore. I love ya as a HC but as a OC it ain't happening.

Ravens1991
11-09-2007, 02:35 PM
That is such BS and you know it.

Hopefully we can get Matt Ryan, I've loved watching this guy the past 2 years and I just love his game and his moxy on the field. Yes he does have some of that Favre syndrome that Ghetto suggested but still he's worth a selection. But we have to allow him time to grow into the system and not rush him ala Kyle Boller. Hopefully with a new QB we also get a new offensive system, sorry Coach but you can't run our offense anymore. I love ya as a HC but as a OC it ain't happening.

It is true unless Billick can take a ego hit and stay out of the QB development and let Neuhisel(sp) handle it.

BigDawg819
11-09-2007, 02:42 PM
It is true unless Billick can take a ego hit and stay out of the QB development and let Neuhisel(sp) handle it.

There is no truth in any of your theory, its all garbage contrived from your hatred of Coach Billick. Every head coach is heavily involved in the development of a young QB and to think Coach wouldn't be as well is nonsense.

Ravens1991
11-09-2007, 02:48 PM
how is it wrong please show me.

BigDawg819
11-09-2007, 03:17 PM
how is it wrong please show me.

Calling for a Head Coach to not have any involvement in the development of a young QB is proof enough.

Ravens1991
11-09-2007, 03:28 PM
well I would love for it to happen because I dont want Billick to ruin the QB because Billick is a offensive dunce. I guess the QB could still do good if the majority of the development goes to the OC.

BigDawg819
11-09-2007, 03:31 PM
well I would love for it to happen because I dont want Billick to ruin the QB because Billick is a offensive dunce. I guess the QB could still do good if the majority of the development goes to the OC.

You act as though Coach has ruined a dozen young QB's. He's ruined Kyle and thats it. Yes that was likely ego but other then that our QB's have been veterans, retreads, or veteran retreads. Seriously this blind hatred of Coach is ruining your judgment IMO.

Yung Flippa
11-11-2007, 05:36 PM
My Mock goes like this:

1) Andre Woodson, QB, Kentucky
2) Antoine Cason, CB, Arizona
3) (Willis McGahee)
4) Justin Forsett, RB, Cal
5) Lance Leggett, WR, Miami
6) Jameel McClain, DE, Syracuse
7) Curtis Gatewood, OLB, Vanderbilt