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kwilk103
09-30-2007, 01:18 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/rankingsindex

notables from coaches polls

cal #3; osu #4

florida #7; usf #9; oklahoma #10; wvu #12; hawaii #15; rugters #21

thats messed up; florida loses at home to unranked auburn and stays in top 10; oklahoma loses on the road to unranked colorado and stays top 10; wvu loses on the road to ranked usf and moves out of top 10; it may be a homer, but wouldnt wvu have lost to the best team? if those two were top 10, then why shouldnt we be?

draftguru151
09-30-2007, 01:19 PM
One, they were ranked ahead of you before the fact, two, you guys aren't that good, UF and OU has showed to be good teams this year, WVU hasn't.

Still no UM, getting close though.

D-Unit
09-30-2007, 01:23 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/rankingsindex

USA Today Poll
1. USC (45) 4-0 1,483
2. LSU (14) 5-0 1,454
3. California 5-0 1,363
4. Ohio State (1) 5-0 1,313
5. Wisconsin 5-0 1,251
6. Boston College 5-0 1,138
7. Florida 4-1 1,000
8. Kentucky 5-0 971
9. South Florida 4-0 960
10. Oklahoma 4-1 925
11. Georgia 4-1 758
12. West Virginia 4-1 756
13. Oregon 4-1 697
14. Virginia Tech 4-1 661
15. Hawaii 5-0 585
16. Texas 4-1 573
17. Missouri 4-0 532
18. South Carolina 4-1 529
19. Arizona State 5-0 466
20. Purdue 5-0 423
21. Rutgers 3-1 347
22. Clemson 4-1 278
23. Nebraska 4-1 261
24. Cincinnati 5-0 249
25. UCLA 4-1 79




AP Top 25
1. LSU (33) 5-0 1,593
2. USC (32) 4-0 1,591
3. California 5-0 1,475
4. Ohio State 5-0 1,420
5. Wisconsin 5-0 1,271
6. South Florida 4-0 1,203
7. Boston College 5-0 1,172
8. Kentucky 5-0 1,143
9. Florida 4-1 1,031
10. Oklahoma 4-1 992
11. South Carolina 4-1 900
12. Georgia 4-1 885
13. West Virginia 4-1 861
14. Oregon 4-1 837
15. Virginia Tech 4-1 639
16. Hawaii 5-0 586
17. Missouri 4-0 561
18. Arizona State 5-0 497
19. Texas 4-1 449
20. Cincinnati 5-0 377
21. Rutgers 3-1 299
22. Clemson 4-1 265
23. Purdue 5-0 218
24. Kansas State 3-1 214
25. Nebraska 4-1 198

kwilk103
09-30-2007, 01:28 PM
how did oklahoma and florida stay top 10, with both losing to unranked teams, with floridas being at home? while wvu loses to a top 20 team on the road and drops out of top 10?

next week there are some big games, so the rankings will shake up even more; uf vs lsu; uga vs tenn; osu vs purdue; ou vs tex; vt vs clemson; rugt vs cincy; missouri vs nebraska; wisc vs illinois

ironman4579
09-30-2007, 01:52 PM
I think it's funny the ranking are now posted in at least 3 different places on the forum now. Anyway, I'm kind of surprised the coaches jumped LSU over USC, and I'm also kind of surprised USF jumped up so much.

elway777
09-30-2007, 01:55 PM
how did oklahoma and florida stay top 10, with both losing to unranked teams, with floridas being at home? while wvu loses to a top 20 team on the road and drops out of top 10?

next week there are some big games, so the rankings will shake up even more; uf vs lsu; uga vs tenn; osu vs purdue; ou vs tex; vt vs clemson; rugt vs cincy; missouri vs nebraska; wisc vs illinois

Well OU and UF are both top 10 teams this year. WVU has been overated from the get go. They have no D, and their offense IS able to be stopped.

ironman4579
09-30-2007, 01:55 PM
Really the only reason WVU was ranked so high in the first place was that the voters looked at their(seemingly) weak schedule and assumed they had a great chance to go undefeated IMO. I'm not sure their initial ranking was as much due to how good they were perceived to be, as to how bad their schedule was perceived to be.

ironman4579
09-30-2007, 01:58 PM
As I said in the other thread, I think WVU's intial ranking had less to do with how good they were perceived to be, and more with how weak their scedule was perceived to be. The voters looked at the(seemingly) weak schedule and figured they had a great chance to go undefeated.

soybean
09-30-2007, 01:59 PM
i dont understand how oregon is behind WVU. They barely lost to the number 3 team who was still ranked higher than USF before yesterday. WVU got manhandled in that game.

i know you shouldnt reward teams that lose but cmon...

also, i think kentucky should be higher.

DLS42
09-30-2007, 02:01 PM
i think that wvu needs to change their defensive scheme. that 3 3 5 is getting killed in games that matter. and if i was voting i would have usf around 7 or 8. and i really dont think BC is completly deserving of its high rank. LSU leaping SC is undeserved. they both sleep walked through a game the only differnce is that SC happened to be playing a better more talented team.

kwilk103
09-30-2007, 02:02 PM
wvu has no defense? we gave up 270 yds to the #7/9 team; gave up 14 points to them and maryland

after the 1st drive by usf, we gave up 20 yds; had 4 turnovers; they kept us in the game til the end

SuperKevin
09-30-2007, 02:09 PM
I'm kind of puzzled at the fact Cincy didn't move up in the polls even a couple of spots after a blowout win over SDSU. Might have been a cakewalk but they won convincingly

DLS42
09-30-2007, 02:11 PM
its sdsu for godsake. they are expected to win that game and in blowout fashion.

Tampa 2 4 life
09-30-2007, 02:14 PM
I dunno if I would put Kentucky so high until they play someone with a defense. 9 or 10 sounds good.

Top ranked team in Florida according to the AP. Nice.

elway777
09-30-2007, 02:17 PM
DLS that sig bet is getting interesting.

Ewing
09-30-2007, 02:34 PM
South Florida number six? Who saw that coming when the year started?

DLS42
09-30-2007, 02:40 PM
DLS that sig bet is getting interesting.

Its going to be wonderful to see you wear the "i heart pete caroll's loose lips sig" after d jax scores a few tds on the way to a cal victory.

RyanLeaf#1
09-30-2007, 03:11 PM
Rutgers HAHAHAHAHA they play the first legit team on their schedule and lose.

elway777
09-30-2007, 03:17 PM
After D-Jax wears another Kevin Ellison tattoo this year?

DLS42
09-30-2007, 03:19 PM
I hope caroll tries that triple team that tenn tried on djax. hawkins seems to really enjoy that.
well it depends on if the referees are wearing their usc trojans boxers this year. im STILL mad about that fumble.

bustabinary
09-30-2007, 03:22 PM
Was wondering about that myself, but I think the 6 turnovers has a lot to do with WVU dropping that far

bearsfan_51
09-30-2007, 03:26 PM
I'm suprised that South Carolina is 18th in the coaches poll (i.e. the only one that matters). I'm also suprised that an undefeated Purdue and Arizona State are below Hawaii, but that may be my own BCS bias.

Sniper
09-30-2007, 03:26 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/rankingsindex

notables from coaches polls

cal #3; osu #4

florida #7; usf #9; oklahoma #10; wvu #12; hawaii #15; rugters #21

thats messed up; florida loses at home to unranked auburn and stays in top 10; oklahoma loses on the road to unranked colorado and stays top 10; wvu loses on the road to ranked usf and moves out of top 10; it may be a homer, but wouldnt wvu have lost to the best team? if those two were top 10, then why shouldnt we be?

Florida is good, whereas WVU isn't. Not that hard. Pit the two against each other, and I'd take Florida -21.

elway777
09-30-2007, 03:31 PM
USC would have won regardless.

The better you are, the better that SC will play up to you.

Early prediction 28-20 USC

:p

DChess
09-30-2007, 03:48 PM
BC had problems with umass, they wont be in the top ten for long

Michigan
09-30-2007, 03:48 PM
One thing that really puzzles me is how #23 Michigan State plays #9 Wisconsin to a close 3 point loss IN Madison and falls out of the top 25 while Wisconsin moves up to #5. The poll system is stupid IMO.

Canadian_kid16
09-30-2007, 03:53 PM
k, I"m confused at which one matters :S Is it the AP poll or USA Today poll?

Michigan
09-30-2007, 03:54 PM
k, I"m confused at which one matters :S Is it the AP poll or USA Today poll?

well, most people consider the BCS championship more prestigious than the AP championship, so right now the USA Today and even the Harris poll are more significant.

Canadian_kid16
09-30-2007, 03:58 PM
well, most people consider the BCS championship more prestigious than the AP championship, so right now the USA Today and even the Harris poll are more significant.


all right, well even #9 for South Florida is good enough

M.O.T.H.
09-30-2007, 04:47 PM
Never thought I'd see the day when these teams were all in the top 25...

USF
Kentucky
South Carolina
Hawaii
Cincinnati
Rutgers

Still seems weird to me...Most of these programs were laughable, not too long ago.

SuperKevin
09-30-2007, 04:48 PM
Never thought I'd see the day when these teams were all in the top 25...

USF
Kentucky
South Carolina
Hawaii
Cincinnati
Rutgers

Still seems weird to me...Most of these programs were laughable, not too long ago.

This year is the 1st time since 1976 Cincy has been ranked

doingthisinsteadofwork
09-30-2007, 04:53 PM
Cal at #3 gotta love that.

saintsfan912
09-30-2007, 05:39 PM
LSU is deservedly ranked over USC!!! And yes, they do deserve it. It really means nothing except for the fact that the people who know football see LSU as a better team. 1-2 really doesnt matter til the end of the year.

elway777
09-30-2007, 05:41 PM
It really means nothing except for the fact that the people who know football see LSU as a better team.

Yeah, the same people who gave SC part of the national championship with LSU a few years ago.

Michigan
09-30-2007, 05:57 PM
does it really matter who's #1 and who's #2? they'll play in the championship anyways...

keylime_5
09-30-2007, 06:07 PM
Last weekend just showed why the whole idea of having polls to begin with is just silly. Imagine if they had polls in the NFL, there would be parity like this every week. USF is not the 7th or 8th best team, and there are gonna be some 3 loss teams who are better than some 1 and 2 loss teams, yet the stupid polls are just "oh you were here last week so you move up". Teams losing to teams who beat teams they beat make the polls even more idiotic than they already are. They should abolish the polls, bring on the four team playoff using the BCS kinda stuff.

keylime_5
09-30-2007, 06:10 PM
I've said it for about 3 weeks, there will be no undefeated teams this year. USC is not gonna survive @Cal and @Oregon and all their Pac 10 schedule...and Cal is not good enough to go undefeated, at least not on defense. LSU's offense does not impress me and they play a tough schedule, albeit at home but they'll still lose. Ohio State probably won't win out with @Purdue, @Michigan, @PSU, and vs. Wisky and MSU coming up despite the fact that their defense is probably top 2 nationally and their offense is actually pretty good for a team who lost what they lost.

saintsfan912
09-30-2007, 06:45 PM
LSU losing at home is laughable. The only game that remotely concerns me is at Kentucky and thats a long shot. Bama has no shot, UF was exploited last night, Auburn is garbage.

keylime_5
09-30-2007, 06:55 PM
I'm not saying that LSU is not the best team in the SEC, just that they will lose a game b/c their offense is not as good as a #1 or #2 team in the country should be, and their opponents this year are good enough to exploit that.

fenikz
09-30-2007, 07:08 PM
Miami still getting the screw job

DChess
09-30-2007, 07:11 PM
Miami still getting the screw job

they did just beat duke by 10 pts, not a convincing win

saintsfan912
09-30-2007, 07:12 PM
Their offense is damn good. Who plays up to par at 11 AM against Tulane? Nobody. Not to mention LSU has been playing a vanilla offense, by choice. They haven't had to open up the offense at all, they will this weekend.

TheMikey10
09-30-2007, 09:26 PM
I've said it for about 3 weeks, there will be no undefeated teams this year. USC is not gonna survive @Cal and @Oregon and all their Pac 10 schedule...and Cal is not good enough to go undefeated, at least not on defense. LSU's offense does not impress me and they play a tough schedule, albeit at home but they'll still lose. Ohio State probably won't win out with @Purdue, @Michigan, @PSU, and vs. Wisky and MSU coming up despite the fact that their defense is probably top 2 nationally and their offense is actually pretty good for a team who lost what they lost.

Well, if USC isn't going to survive Oregon, it better be the Oregon game that they lose for your prediction, because Cal just beat Oregon with fullback Will Ta'ufo'ou out which killed their run game, and Zack Follett their best defensive player out. I have to believe USC is the only team that can beat them **knocks on wood and prays he didnt just jinx the Bears**

NGSeiler
09-30-2007, 09:47 PM
WVU got manhandled in that game.

Really? For being manhandled they were still in a position to win with less than a minute to go w/ their back-up QB on the field for half the contest.

As for their being ranked where they are, I can't complain. I couldn't put them over a one-loss Florida or Oklahoma right now, though personally I would bump them up above Georgia but that might be my own personal bias talking.

Kentucky should enjoy their time at #8; they won't be there much longer.

Turtlepower
09-30-2007, 10:39 PM
Arizona State is getting no love in the polls. They could realistically finish 3rd in the PAC-10...

M.O.T.H.
09-30-2007, 10:39 PM
South Carolina is taking down Kentucky on Thurs. we should be able to run all day.

bustabinary
09-30-2007, 11:21 PM
Last weekend just showed why the whole idea of having polls to begin with is just silly. Imagine if they had polls in the NFL, there would be parity like this every week. USF is not the 7th or 8th best team, and there are gonna be some 3 loss teams who are better than some 1 and 2 loss teams, yet the stupid polls are just "oh you were here last week so you move up". Teams losing to teams who beat teams they beat make the polls even more idiotic than they already are. They should abolish the polls, bring on the four team playoff using the BCS kinda stuff.
amen my friend

critesy
09-30-2007, 11:45 PM
LSU losing at home is laughable. The only game that remotely concerns me is at Kentucky and thats a long shot. Bama has no shot, UF was exploited last night, Auburn is garbage.

ahaha you are a homer fo shooo... saying kentucky is a long shot and bama has no chance at beating you and florida got exploited so i guess they wont beat you either right, cause they cant fix things... and auburn is just garbage? yeah... im guessing they lose one of those game

also blaming their lack of offense on playing at 11AM, that is pathetic.

TigerBait45
10-01-2007, 01:38 AM
Honestly, the thing that hurts LSU offensively right now is that Early Doucet has been out for a few weeks and Flynn's ankle is apparently bothering him.

I said before the season though..LSU is a defensive team with an offense thats good enough to compliment them. Its kinda like Ohio State when they won it. They weren't flashy, but they played great defense and were clutch enough to win games on offense.

Still though..Doucet will make a huge difference to the passing game whenever he gets back, and Flynn..I dunno. I think hes pressing right now for some reason. The running game can churn out yards though..thats for sure. Hester, Williams, Scott, Richard Murphy, Trindon Holiday..thats LSU's bread and butter.

I don't take any team for granted though. I think Florida is going to come out and play as hard as they have all year because, lets face it, this is their only chance to get back in the title picture. If they lose next week, they're done. The game being in Baton Rouge at night really helps, but Florida is damn good and talented enough to beat LSU.

Kentucky is a really good team, but they don't have a legitimate defense. They'll win games where they outscore everyone, but we'll see what happens when they play a team with a good defense.

Auburn and Alabama are trap games. So is Arkansas.

Sniper
10-01-2007, 08:24 AM
ahaha you are a homer fo shooo... saying kentucky is a long shot and bama has no chance at beating you and florida got exploited so i guess they wont beat you either right, cause they cant fix things... and auburn is just garbage? yeah... im guessing they lose one of those game

also blaming their lack of offense on playing at 11AM, that is pathetic.

Whatever ya gotta do to represent the homerism, I guess ;) I laughed my ass off when he blamed the offense because of the 11 AM thing too.

vatech=accdomination
10-01-2007, 10:59 AM
LSU is legitimately that good, they are the only team on par offensive talent wise with USC

Turtlepower
10-01-2007, 11:04 AM
LSU is legitimately that good, they are the only team on par offensive talent wise with USC

Even though LSU is not even the best offensive team in its own conference. Offensive wise, Florida and possibly Kentucky are better than LSU. I would also say that Oklahoma, USC, Oregon and Cal are all better offensive teams than LSU. Now defensively if you replaced the words offensive with defensive, the post would make sense, but LSU's offense isn't as good as you're saying.

vatech=accdomination
10-01-2007, 11:28 AM
When they come out to play, they are just as good, noone has ever done that to VT's defense in the last 20 years, not the USC team with Bush, Leinert, White and Jarrett, not the 01-03 Miami teams(one scroed 56, but didnt have 600 yards of offense), the Auburn with Caddilac, Ronnie, and JWhite. Talent wise they are explosive, just depends on what team comes out.

duckseason
10-01-2007, 02:28 PM
When they come out to play, they are just as good, noone has ever done that to VT's defense in the last 20 years, not the USC team with Bush, Leinert, White and Jarrett, not the 01-03 Miami teams(one scroed 56, but didnt have 600 yards of offense), the Auburn with Caddilac, Ronnie, and JWhite. Talent wise they are explosive, just depends on what team comes out.

Either you're implying that the strength of VaTech's defense has remained at the exact same level for the last 20 years, or your point is meaningless. The strengths and weaknesses of college teams ebb and flow with each year. Often times, a different team shows up each week. Sure, VT has traditionally had a top-level defense, but even the best and most talented of units will come out flat from time to time and give up an inordinate amount of points and yards.

You've got to keep in mind that you can't just look at 50 points and 600 yards as a pure product of an offense dominating a defense. Of course LSU's offense is a solid unit with loads of talent. But their defense and VT's feeble offense are just as responsible for the lopsided outcome. LSU allowed just 149 total yards in that match up. VT only managed to convert 2 of 14 3rd downs and averaged just 2.5 yards per rush. These contributing factors should not be ignored. LSU's offense certainly did its job and capitalized on it's opportunities, but let's give due credit to their defense as well for making things a hell of a lot easier on them.

The best way to judge the explosiveness and overall strength of an offense or any other unit in football is to just watch them with regularity. Every game. Only then can we grade them accurately. Then, in order to compare them to anybody else with any measure of validity, you must watch every game of those you are comparing them to. Based on what I've seen this year from LSU, I'd say that the strength of their team is without question the defense. The offense looks very good as well, but that defense is among the very best in the nation, if not the best. So good that they seem to be inflating the numbers attributed to the offense. Some teams' defenses do the same, and others the exact opposite- to varying degrees. And that's a two way street. The offense of every team also has an effect on the defense.

There are other offenses that I'm more impressed with at this point, but I'll need to see more in order to form a definitive opinion as to who I think is the best or in the top 5. I'd imagine that everybody would.

SubNoize
10-01-2007, 02:37 PM
Arizona State is getting no love in the polls. They could realistically finish 3rd in the PAC-10...

they're getting no love because they haven't played anybody! Their win against CU looks better now, but they still wont survive Cal, Oregon, USC and probably not even UCLA. The only reason they moved is because they blew out Stanford, which they should have.

diabsoule
10-01-2007, 02:51 PM
I did the "Rank Your Top 25" on ESPN and I what I consider the Top 25 differs some from what it is.

I think Texas should be ranked a lot lower considering how they have not played up to par all year and then just got blown out by K-State. I also think BC should be ranked above South Florida. I also don't think Oregon should have fallen that far. I think they should have only fallen by one spot to #12.

OhioState
10-01-2007, 04:36 PM
When they come out to play, they are just as good, noone has ever done that to VT's defense in the last 20 years, not the USC team with Bush, Leinert, White and Jarrett, not the 01-03 Miami teams(one scroed 56, but didnt have 600 yards of offense), the Auburn with Caddilac, Ronnie, and JWhite. Talent wise they are explosive, just depends on what team comes out.

jason white played for oklahoma, Jason Campbell played on that Auburn team

saintsfan912
10-01-2007, 06:05 PM
Whatever ya gotta do to represent the homerism, I guess ;) I laughed my ass off when he blamed the offense because of the 11 AM thing too.

It happens every day game. If you knew anything about LSU then you would know that. LSU's offense never shows up for early games. Don't say a thing unless you know what's been going on for the past few years.

vatech=accdomination
10-01-2007, 07:24 PM
jason white played for oklahoma, Jason Campbell played on that Auburn team

aye aye aye, im sorry for insulting Campbell like that, lol.

LonghornsLegend
10-02-2007, 10:23 AM
Sucks for us, if we lose to OU(which is probably going to happen old school fashion) we will be unranked more then likely for the first time in, dare i say the Mack Brown era? not really sure, but I honestly cant remember the last time we fell out...

Well Ive already started my John Chiles campaign, Jevan Snead shouldnt of left so soon because he probably would of won the job back by now, but I really like Chiles and if Colt doesnt know how to pass, we might as well go with the qb that can actually run the spread with the threat of breaking off a long run, id much rather live with him throwing 4 picks not colt, its so easy for defenses to run a double blitz and the 2nd guy picks off the ball on the quick slant becaues he never pays attention




I think Texas should be ranked a lot lower considering how they have not played up to par all year and then just got blown out by K-State.


we probably had the biggest drop out of any team, we lost 1 game should be just be out of the top 25 for that game? its not like we moved down to #12 or anything...besides, we probably will be out next week so its not like this is the final polls

draftguru151
10-02-2007, 11:18 AM
It happens every day game. If you knew anything about LSU then you would know that. LSU's offense never shows up for early games. Don't say a thing unless you know what's been going on for the past few years.

So that's an excuse? I didn't know just because the offense always sucks in day games that it's ok. You thing LSU is the #1 team in the country when their offense isn't even awake every day game? You can't be serious.

D-Fence
10-03-2007, 11:29 AM
Well Ive already started my John Chiles campaign, Jevan Snead shouldnt of left so soon because he probably would of won the job back by now, but I really like Chiles and if Colt doesnt know how to pass, we might as well go with the qb that can actually run the spread with the threat of breaking off a long run, id much rather live with him throwing 4 picks not colt, its so easy for defenses to run a double blitz and the 2nd guy picks off the ball on the quick slant becaues he never pays attentionThe problem is Mack is sticking with the EXACT offense they ran while VY was there, and Colt just doesn't fit. Chiles is far and away a better talent, as well as a far and away better fit for the offense. Jevan would have been a better fit as well, at least he can move around and get outside the pocket. I cringe everytime I see Colt tuck the ball and start to move around...