***new Official Boxing Thread***

[SugarSean]

I can't find the old one and there's no better time to start a new one than after last Saturdays fights. Berto looked good by knocking out his toughest test and the main event was just electric. I never really liked Jermain Taylor, but he showed me a lot in those first few rounds. Then, Kelly Pavlik just took over and closed the show like a champ. He's gonna be a huge star. Everybody can relate to the guy. He's an American-born white guy (most people in the US can relate to that), he's from a humble background and a struggling, rebuilding city (myself and many others from hurricane ravaged places can relate) and he's humble, well-spoken and a vicious knockout artist. Everybody likes those things. I can't wait to see the guy back in the ring in another big fight.

In addition to this, the upcoming months are filled with many of the best boxers fighting in megafights. Great time to be a boxing fan.

[j05son]

I can't find the old one and there's no better time to start a new one than after last Saturdays fights. Berto looked good by knocking out his toughest test and the main event was just electric. I never really liked Jermain Taylor, but he showed me a lot in those first few rounds. Then, Kelly Pavlik just took over and closed the show like a champ. He's gonna be a huge star. Everybody can relate to the guy. He's an American-born white guy (most people in the US can relate to that), he's from a humble background and a struggling, rebuilding city (myself and many others from hurricane ravaged places can relate) and he's humble, well-spoken and a vicious knockout artist. Everybody likes those things. I can't wait to see the guy back in the ring in another big fight.

In addition to this, the upcoming months are filled with many of the best boxers fighting in megafights. Great time to be a boxing fan.

Kelly Pavlik is from my hometown, Youngstown Ohio. The Ghost is amazing...32-0 with 29 KO's...

[fischbowl]

Joe Mesi=God?

[bored of education]

Some good fights comming up soon. I'm a work, but I'll voice my thoughts later.

[Rob S]

1. Kelly Pavlik Is my hero
2. Kessler-Calzaghe is the 2nd best fight in boxing
3. Cotto-Mosely is the best fight in boxing AND has a stacked undercard
4. Juan Diaz-Julio Diaz and Barrera-Pac Man and Hatton-Mayweather are pretty damned good as well.


Makes for an amazing fall-winter and a very happy Rob S.

[bored of education]

I'm happy as well!

[SugarSean]

Rob, who's on that Mosely/Cotto undercard? I can't find it anywhere.

[UKfan]

One of the fights I am really looking forward to is David Haye against Jean Marc Mormeck. I think it will really show just how good Haye is and whether he can make a real dent in the HW division. I think he's the real deal.

[Rob S]

Joel Casamayor vs. Jose Armando Santa Cruz
Bobby Pacquiao vs. TBA
Victor Ortiz vs. Carlos Maussa 10
Antonio Margarito vs. Golden Johnson

Undercard for the cotto fight. Check out boxrec for it.

[SugarSean]

I don't really check out boxrec b/c they tend to jump the gun a lil bit and post rumors as facts. That does look like a really strong card, but Margarito isn't fighting Johnson. Johnson's rematching Oscar Diaz on November 3rd on the undercard of the Glen Johnson/Tony Hanshaw card, according to Johnson himself.

[bored of education]

Is Pavlik number 2 or 3 lb 4 lb?

[Rob S]

I don't really check out boxrec b/c they tend to jump the gun a lil bit and post rumors as facts. That does look like a really strong card, but Margarito isn't fighting Johnson. Johnson's rematching Oscar Diaz on November 3rd on the undercard of the Glen Johnson/Tony Hanshaw card, according to Johnson himself.

espn has reported all these fights as well, just didnt feel like finding the article. Maybe Margarito will be fighting someone else, but just having him on the card is a treat imo.

[Rob S]

Is Pavlik number 2 or 3 lb 4 lb?


huh? 10 char

[bored of education]

Where does Pavlik rank now you think pound for pound top 5?

[Rob S]

Where does Pavlik rank now you think pound for pound top 5?

I think bottom of the top 10. I will post my own p4p in a little.

[Rob S]

1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Bernand Hopkins
4. Joe Calzaghe
5. Winky Wright
6. Juan Manuel Marquez
7/8. Izzy Vasquez/ Rafa Marquez- 3rd fight will go a long way to determine
who is higher
9. Kelly Pavlik- no higher because he was kind of getting beaten and was
almost KOed in rd.2
10. Miguel Cotto- homer pick, maybe, But once he beats Shane he goes top 5
:)

[NATIONALchamps]

Vordenko match vs Elisov.

[SugarSean]

Well, Bob Arum is sayin that Margarito/Johnson is on the undercard for Mosely/Cotto, so I guess it is true. I don't know what Golden Johnson was talking about in his interview a week ago. This should be a very good card, although I think Cotto should walk through Shane.

[bernbabybern820]

Well, Bob Arum is sayin that Margarito/Johnson is on the undercard for Mosely/Cotto, so I guess it is true. I don't know what Golden Johnson was talking about in his interview a week ago. This should be a very good card, although I think Cotto should walk through Shane.

Walk through Shane? I think that it will go down to the wire.

[Rob S]

Well, Bob Arum is sayin that Margarito/Johnson is on the undercard for Mosely/Cotto, so I guess it is true. I don't know what Golden Johnson was talking about in his interview a week ago. This should be a very good card, although I think Cotto should walk through Shane.

from your mouth to God's ears........I am expecting a life and death struggle.

[SugarSean]

Anybody watch the Pacquiao/MAB fight on Saturday? I was at that LSU/Florida and I missed it. Lemme know if it's worth checkin out on youtube or somewhere else. From what I read, it seemed like MAB aint really come to fight.

[Rob S]

Anybody watch the Pacquiao/MAB fight on Saturday? I was at that LSU/Florida and I missed it. Lemme know if it's worth checkin out on youtube or somewhere else. From what I read, it seemed like MAB aint really come to fight.

kinda boring......probably not worth it.

[NYGibril28]

When's Lacy going to be back in action?

[Rob S]

his shoulder is still messed up, nothing is scheduled as of now.

[SugarSean]

kinda boring......probably not worth it.



Thanks, I heard Sam Peter wasn't impressive either on Saturday.

[SugarSean]

double post

[MaxV]

As expected, Ibragimov beats Holyfield by an unanimous decision.

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=3062051

[SugarSean]

I only caught the last three rounds, but Holy was gun shy. He just wouldn't throw any punches. Sultan is talented and I'd like to see him take a shot at unification.

[Rob S]

i am excited for the fight tonight........the baby bull really impressed me vs popo.

[Rob S]

cotto-mosely anyone? I will be in MSG, expecting an electric atmosphere and a FOTY caliber fight.

[kwilk103]

ill be ordering it

[Rob S]

ill be ordering it

a very wise choice....should be the best undercard of the year as well

[SugarSean]

Damn that's tight that you get to go to that ****. Lucky man.

[Geo]

Anyone else looking forward to Tuesday's ESPN Classic special on Ray Mancini, mainly in regards to the anniversary of the Mancini/Deuk Koo Kim fight? Sportscenter ran some teaser bits on Friday, I'm really looking forward to it.

[MaxV]

BTW, did you guys watch the final of the "Contender"?

Wow, what an AWESOME fight it was.

[UKfan]

David Haye vs Jean Marc Mormeck tonight, any of you guys interested in it at all, I think it's actually got the makings of a real good fight, Haye has dynamite in his fists.

[kwilk103]

yea that espn special looks good

i watched the contender fight; was real good

jaidon codrington's only what, 23 years old? he could be real good in a few years

[SugarSean]

Yeah, I watched the Contender finale. It was amazing. They were throwin bombs from the opening bell. I will definitely be checkin out the special on Ray Mancini and I'm gonna try to find a way to watch Mormeck/Haye on Sopcast. That should be a great one.

[Rob S]

Contender finale was FOTY so far imo. However, I dont like the way Codrington reacts to punches, he never seems to be able to just absord a blow, thats what is going to hold him back.

I am off to Cotto-Mosely and I am pumped as hell man. This is a true 50-50 fight, nobody has any clue who is going to win. As a Cotto fan I am nervous, but my god this is how boxing should be.

[kwilk103]

so, before i buy the fight, will it be worth it? im sayin yes

[Rob S]

so, before i buy the fight, will it be worth it? im sayin yes

best undercard of the year and the most competitive main event of the year in a fight where the styles point to a war........i say yes.

[UKfan]

Yeah, I watched the Contender finale. It was amazing. They were throwin bombs from the opening bell. I will definitely be checkin out the special on Ray Mancini and I'm gonna try to find a way to watch Mormeck/Haye on Sopcast. That should be a great one.

I hope you found a way, it wasn't fireworks as I predicted but a good tactical bout with a great finish. I won't ruin the result for you guys.

[SugarSean]

I missed it. I was trippin n forgot it was in France. It seems like it ended pretty spectacularly. I'll catch it on youtube.

[lightsout]

cotto/mosley was great. i had it a draw.

[SugarSean]

I was trippin thinkin Shane was done. I'll admit that. That **** was a great fight. I was thoroughly impressed with Miguel Cotto. He is the real deal, but he did run in the 12th round. There aint no way around it. If Oscar ran in the last rounds against Tito and Floyd ran in the last round against Baldomir, then Cotto ran in the last round against Shane. Regardless, it was a great fight.

[Rob S]

great fight. yeah cotto did run, but in the same respect mosley wasnt going out throwing and trying to win. cotto actually landed more effective shots in the 12th and that is the whole goal of boxing, so i cant blame him, especially when his corner told him he was winning. Anyone who questions either guys will in this fight doesnt know boxing, this was a brutal, brutal fight.

[rchrd]

God I cant wait for the FM - Hatton fight, Ricky will probably get his **** kicked in but hopefully it'll be a stormer.

Super read for anyone actually iterested in Ricky Hatton...http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/more_sport/article2863107.ece

Hatton doesn’t care that the boxing writers give him little chance against Mayweather. Thomas Hauser, perhaps the most respected American writer, rates Hatton, but says he will lose fighting Mayweather at the heavier welterweight division. Adam Smith, a close friend of the Hattons, and Sky Sports’ boxing commentator, gives him a 2-out-of-10 shot. Many American writers have not been so kind.

Hatton will shadow-box his way through the jitters on December 8, as he always does. At 7pm, as the first bell approaches, he will walk to the ring with Graham, Kayes, his cuts man, Mick Williamson, and, depending on their availability, with either Wayne Rooney or David Beckham carrying his belts.

When Blue Moon is played, the lucky 3,900 who won the ballot to be in the arena for the big fight, the 10,000 watching on closed-circuit screens around the casino, and tens of thousands at home, will scream along to the words. Then Mayweather will arrive, and we will see whether Hatton can become the world’s best boxer, or simply remain its most amiable ambassador.

[RyanLeaf#1]

1 week away until Hatton and Mayweather.

[SugarSean]

1 week away until Hatton and Mayweather.

Can't wait. Even if I wasn't a Floyd Mayweather fan I'd still buy all his fights just to listen to Roger in his corner. Roger is the ****** man. You know that every time he opens his mouth he's gonna say some akward, vulgar and hilarious ****. He's the star of 24/7, not Floyd, Hatton or Oscar. I wish Roger was my uncle.

[RyanLeaf#1]

Can't wait. Even if I wasn't a Floyd Mayweather fan I'd still buy all his fights just to listen to Roger in his corner. Roger is the ****** man. You know that every time he opens his mouth he's gonna say some akward, vulgar and hilarious ****. He's the star of 24/7, not Floyd, Hatton or Oscar. I wish Roger was my uncle.

Im a huge Hatton fan I cant wait to see Mayweather get knocked out.

[UKfan]

http://sportsline.com/mmaboxing/story/10510288

A nice article about the Hatton - Mayweather fight and I agree with the majority of what it says, unfortunately.

Mayweather by boring UD.

[UKfan]

http://www.theherald.co.uk/sport/headlines/display.var.1875038.0.0.php

and another excellent article as well. It's weird I know in my heart of hearts that the fight will probably suck, yet I am still very excited.

[Rob S]

I think the 24-7 may be building up some false hope for hatton fans. I mean, he looks great, but to me this is a mismatch and will likely be a boring fight. That said, I am for some reason excited for it as well.,

[UKfan]

You'd be surprised, most all of my friends that follow boxing do not think Hatton wins, a lot of the uneducated fight fans are the ones thinking Hatton will "Knock that punk out".

[RyanLeaf#1]

In my mind Hatton is only +190 on the moneyline for a reason. If he was that big of an underdog he would be like +400 or something. Vegas knows something. I think this fight is closer then alot of people think. Hatton in my mind is better then alot of people give him credit for.

[Rob S]

You'd be surprised, most all of my friends that follow boxing do not think Hatton wins, a lot of the uneducated fight fans are the ones thinking Hatton will "Knock that punk out".

yeah, that is the point of the show tho. Hardcore fans will buy the fight regardless. Capturing the uneducated ones = cash money

[SugarSean]

Just one day away

[RyanLeaf#1]

Just one day away

Until Mayweather gets knocked out.

[SugarSean]

If Oscar can't even hurt him, what makes you think Hatton can knock him out?

You think Hatton hits harder?

[RyanLeaf#1]

If Oscar can't even hurt him, what makes you think Hatton can knock him out?

You think Hatton hits harder?

Oscar is 34 years old. He isnt the Oscar that everybody used to know. Hatton is in the prime of his career. We will see who hits harder after tommorow's fight.

[UKfan]

If Hatton's going to win in the distance, it'll be a body shot like against Castillo, he goes to the body very hard, but I can't see it.

[619]

mayweathers one of the quickest and shiftiest fighters out there so hatton cant fight all-out this time or hes gonna get burned pretty bad.

[SugarSean]

Oscar is 34 years old. He isnt the Oscar that everybody used to know. Hatton is in the prime of his career. We will see who hits harder after tommorow's fight.


Oscar's 34 but he's not an old 34. He fights just once a year or less. He still packs much more of a punch than Ricky Hatton. It's not even close.

[fenikz]

Didn't you guys realize boxing is dead?

[RyanLeaf#1]

Didn't you guys realize boxing is dead?

Come back next week when the numbers of how many people bought this fight are released, and then we will see if boxing is dead.

[UKfan]

What's the media like over there? Hatton is being really talked up, many presenters over here are calling it a 50-50 fight and letting their personal bias' and the 24/7 show influence them, Mayweather is still a clear favourite in my eyes.

[Windy]

can't wait for the fight.

[SugarSean]

The media is pretty pro-Mayweather. Lots of fans just wanna see the bad guy get knocked out. The 24/7 series and the JLC fight are keepin people just interested enough to make them think it's gonna be a good fight.

[RyanLeaf#1]

The media is pretty pro-Mayweather. Lots of fans just wanna see the bad guy get knocked out. The 24/7 series and the JLC fight are keepin people just interested enough to make them think it's gonna be a good fight.

Its only gonna be a good fight if you want Hatton to win.

[M.O.T.H.]

I cant believe it's tomorrow...I've been waiting so long for this. My best friend is a huge Hatton fan and I've been following Mayweather forever...I can't wait.

[SugarSean]

Its only gonna be a good fight if you want Hatton to win.


It any fight can be good regardless of wins. But Floyd is winnin this one.

[RyanLeaf#1]

It any fight can be good regardless of wins. But Floyd is winnin this one.

Finally the day is here. I have been waiting for this fight for awhile.

[MaxV]

I'm picking Floyd by an UD.

I don't think either fighter can KO the other one. I believe this one is going the distance and Floyd should be able to win more rounds.

[619]

i hope mayweather doesnt make this fight a bust too.

[SugarSean]

The only fight I ever seen Floyd make a stinker was the Baldomir fight b/c he shoulda took him out instead of takin his foot off the pedal. You can't blame the dude for the De La Hoya fight. If u lay against the ropes and stand toe to toe round after round and the other guy can't hit you then it's not your fault. That fight wasn't as exciting as it should have been b/c of Oscar.

[619]

after watching the fight preview i wouldnt be too surprised if this ends up being one of the best fights of the year, it just has a different vibe then the mayweather-de la hoya one and hattons a much more aggressive fighter. should be a classic.

[kwilk103]

youre never gonna believe this

i order the fight; preview is on; screen goes black

technical difficulties; should be back on by 10; at least ill only have to pay 1/2 price and theyre replayin it right after

[Billingsley26]

hows this fight going? espn has Dan Rafael whos scored it so far 4-1 for Mayweather, but ESPN writers have it 3-2 for Hatton. it sounds like a great fight. I wish I was seeing it.

[Billingsley26]

OHHHHHHHHHHHHH! Sounds like come controversy brewing when Hatton hit Floyd in the back of the head and lost a point, then Floyd did it back and didn't get anything. Interesting to say the least!

[MaxV]

Dan Rafael thinks Maywheather is running away with it, so far.

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=3145335

[Billingsley26]

yea thats what im looking at right now. but if you look at the write ups below it looks different. so we'll see.

[Billingsley26]

Just saw in BBC that "British Boxer loses to American Boxer"


Floyd Mayweather wins the fight, and hopefully (fingers crossed) will fight Miguel Cotto in a few monts.

[Billingsley26]

Floyd Mayweather knocked out Ricky Hatton in the 10th round!

[Windy]

Floyd did what he had to do. He adapted to Ricky's style. Lederman's card wasn't even close to the real ones.

[bernbabybern820]

Floyd Mayweather knocked out Ricky Hatton in the 10th round!

Nope. PBF says he plan to take a long vacation. One of the announcers says that PBF told him he wants to sit out 2008 and 2009.

PBF said, "I dont want boxing to retire me, i want to retire from boxing." something like that.

[Rich Jr]

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3pi8q_floyd-mayweather-vs-ricky-hatton-kn_shortfilms

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Floyd Mayweather is the ******* man.

[bored of education]

He madel it ook like he wasnt trying again. Best boxer I ever seen and i hate saying that

[bored of education]

and I hate to type this, if Cotto fights hiim inthe next 8 months- he has no chance. Mayweather will beat Cotto and reutre as one of the top 5 all time pound for pound champs. he just doesnt even try it seems, you can blame him for lack of competion. when i saw him smokegatti in atlantic city, i tiold my freiend i was with this is the best figther e will ever see. so enjoy it.

[SugarSean]

I feel like all he has to do to solidify his legacy is beat Cotto. I have no problem with him takin a vacation, but he can't retire just yet. Hopefully Cotto beats Margarito so he'll finally stop gettin his name mentioned amongst the elite fighters b/c he's not that good. Mayweather/Cotto sometime early in '09.

[Billingsley26]

I feel like all he has to do to solidify his legacy is beat Cotto. I have no problem with him takin a vacation, but he can't retire just yet. Hopefully Cotto beats Margarito so he'll finally stop gettin his name mentioned amongst the elite fighters b/c he's not that good. Mayweather/Cotto sometime early in '09.

Sean, I never saw the fight, but I know you have good boxing knowledge. What was your take on the fight?


I cant wait to see Cotto fight Floyd. I think it would be a great fight. I like Cotto's style, and I dont think that Floyd has enough power to knock out Cotto, seeing how tough he is now. I was worried about Cotto's chin before, but his last two fights have showed me now to worry about it. He takes shot after shot there, and is still standing. His fight against Zab Judah was probably one of the best fights Ive seen.

[UKfan]

Hatton started out really well, he was applying good educated pressure, but after a couple of early successes he seemed to become careless and almost angry, not sure if it was because of the referee disrupting his rhythm breaking up all the in fighting or what, but he started wading in in straight lines and Floyd being the great fighter that he is began to plant his feet and really catch Ricky coming in. That's how I saw it anyway.

After 5 rounds British scorers had Mayweather ahead by 1 and HBO had Hatton up by 1, the first few rounds were very close. After the 6th with the point deduction was when it really unravelled.

Worth waiting up until 6am our time for, I enjoyed the fight. I'd like to apologise for the Brits booing the American national anthem though, that was totally out of order.

[SugarSean]

Sean, I never saw the fight, but I know you have good boxing knowledge. What was your take on the fight?


I cant wait to see Cotto fight Floyd. I think it would be a great fight. I like Cotto's style, and I dont think that Floyd has enough power to knock out Cotto, seeing how tough he is now. I was worried about Cotto's chin before, but his last two fights have showed me now to worry about it. He takes shot after shot there, and is still standing. His fight against Zab Judah was probably one of the best fights Ive seen.



Aight, everybody that's been on either this or the old boxing threads knows that I'm a Floyd Mayweather fan, but last nite that changed for a lil bit. I was ready to walk out on the fight after the first 5 rounds. I had seen way too many single punches from Floyd...way too much wrestling and hugging from both fighters and way way too much interference by Joe Cortez. The only reason I stayed to watch the end of the fight was b/c I spent 60 dollars on it. I thought Floyd would come out and try to have a statement win by throwing beautiful combinations and enforcing his will on Hatton from the opening bell. Instead, for the first 6 rounds or so anybody watching the fight could tell that he was just goin through the motions to collect a check.


But as quickly as I lost my faith in him and vowed to never order another one of his fights, he turned the heat n the 7th. He finally started throwin combos and he was even doin some really nice work to the body. I believe it was the 8th round that he dominated Hatton, just like I thought he would all along. I think it was the 9th round where he repeatedly hit Hatton with the jab and at this point it was apparent that Hatton was bein outclassed. In the 10th he hit Hatton with a picture perfect left hook that floored him and then finished him off right as Hatton's corner was throwin in the towel. It had an excellent finish, but don't get me wrong, it was far from an excellent fight.


I don't know what it is, but Floyd has a way of wearin down his opponents and Hatton was no different. He looked fatigue. Maybe he wears them out mentally...I'm really not sure. Hatton never landed any big punches. Floyd's defense was crisp as always. It was semi-competitive before the 8th round, but neither fighter was really impressing. I guess Floyd was just takin his time to execute his gameplan. I didn't like the fact that he wasted 6 rounds letting Hatton dictate the pace of the fight, but you can't argue with the results. Because of the finish it was a pretty good fight.

[Dirty Thirty]

After 5 rounds British scorers had Mayweather ahead by 1 and HBO had Hatton up by 1, the first few rounds were very close. After the 6th with the point deduction was when it really unravelled.


that doesnt mean jack. the official scoring at time of knockout was:

89-81
88-82
89-81

floyd owned hatton the whole way. he plays a defensive style so it may appear that he is shying away but he knows what he is doing. just look at the punches landed statistics. they are off the wall in comparison to hatton.

[UKfan]

that doesnt mean jack. the official scoring at time of knockout was:

89-81
88-82
89-81

floyd owned hatton the whole way. he plays a defensive style so it may appear that he is shying away but he knows what he is doing. just look at the punches landed statistics. they are off the wall in comparison to hatton.

Official judges in boxing are crap, just look at the undercard, if you thought Daniel Ponce de Leon won ten rounds to two you need your head checking. I'm not doubting Floyd would have won on points, but it's not as wide a margin as all that.

[MaxV]

Well, I admit, I was wrong about this fight going the distance. I was right about Floyd winning it though.

Too bad I couldn't see the fight. Maybe it'll appear on Youtube or somewhere else sometime in the future.

[Windy]

Good review SugarSean. Did anyone else find Mark Cuban hilarious? He was talking smack in the Ring and the whole entrance. Also "Born in the USA" was quite fitting in a fight with this type of nation vs nation magnitude.

[Billingsley26]

Aight, everybody that's been on either this or the old boxing threads knows that I'm a Floyd Mayweather fan, but last nite that changed for a lil bit. I was ready to walk out on the fight after the first 5 rounds. I had seen way too many single punches from Floyd...way too much wrestling and hugging from both fighters and way way too much interference by Joe Cortez. The only reason I stayed to watch the end of the fight was b/c I spent 60 dollars on it. I thought Floyd would come out and try to have a statement win by throwing beautiful combinations and enforcing his will on Hatton from the opening bell. Instead, for the first 6 rounds or so anybody watching the fight could tell that he was just goin through the motions to collect a check.


But as quickly as I lost my faith in him and vowed to never order another one of his fights, he turned the heat n the 7th. He finally started throwin combos and he was even doin some really nice work to the body. I believe it was the 8th round that he dominated Hatton, just like I thought he would all along. I think it was the 9th round where he repeatedly hit Hatton with the jab and at this point it was apparent that Hatton was bein outclassed. In the 10th he hit Hatton with a picture perfect left hook that floored him and then finished him off right as Hatton's corner was throwin in the towel. It had an excellent finish, but don't get me wrong, it was far from an excellent fight.


I don't know what it is, but Floyd has a way of wearin down his opponents and Hatton was no different. He looked fatigue. Maybe he wears them out mentally...I'm really not sure. Hatton never landed any big punches. Floyd's defense was crisp as always. It was semi-competitive before the 8th round, but neither fighter was really impressing. I guess Floyd was just takin his time to execute his gameplan. I didn't like the fact that he wasted 6 rounds letting Hatton dictate the pace of the fight, but you can't argue with the results. Because of the finish it was a pretty good fight.

Thats sounds like a pretty good review of the fight. I understand when you say how Floyd runs guys down by giving him jabs here and there and just working it bit by bit throughout the fight, but then really turns it on in the end. Thats why I think Cotto would be a great fight, because Cotto has the stamina to match and can take hts late in the fight and still stand tall.

I cant wait to see Cotto and Flod fight, I think it could be bigger than Floyd and ODH. Especially if they fight around that big Puerto Rican holiday in NY and its at the Gardens....MAN that would be huge!

[kwilk103]

Good review SugarSean. Did anyone else find Mark Cuban hilarious? He was talking smack in the Ring and the whole entrance. Also "Born in the USA" was quite fitting in a fight with this type of nation vs nation magnitude.

i dont know why, but i found floyd ring entrance hilarious when he came out to "born in the usa"

[SugarSean]

Thats sounds like a pretty good review of the fight. I understand when you say how Floyd runs guys down by giving him jabs here and there and just working it bit by bit throughout the fight, but then really turns it on in the end. Thats why I think Cotto would be a great fight, because Cotto has the stamina to match and can take hts late in the fight and still stand tall.

I cant wait to see Cotto and Flod fight, I think it could be bigger than Floyd and ODH. Especially if they fight around that big Puerto Rican holiday in NY and its at the Gardens....MAN that would be huge!



After re-watching the fight I realized that it wasn't as bad as I thought it was at first. I expected Floyd to just dominate from the opening bell and throw combinations and outbox Hatton, but he chose to fight Hatton's fight and beat him at his own game. He went chest to chest with him and wore Hatton out and outboxed him in the clinch. After he wore Hatton out he went to work. Watching the fight the second time was much better than the first. Obviously the man is much smarter than I am when it comes to boxing so I can't really be mad at his approach just because he didn't fight the way I wanted him to. I think he fought that fight brilliantly now b/c when I watched it the first time I spent too much time complaining to actually see what was goin on.


And I don't think for one second that Floyd never watches film on his opponents. Every guy that is at the top of his sport is a film junkie and I don't think he's any different.

[UKfan]

http://sportsline.com/mmaboxing/story/10565380/2

I just thought this thread could do with a bump after reading this article, Hatton vs Pacquaio by the end of 08, sounds pretty far out if you ask me, but should Pacquiao manage to get up to 140 successfully, that would be one crazy fight, in fighting galore. I heard one journalist here say it could be fought in a phone box (booth). Thoughts?

[lightsout]

anybody see that miranda ko? wow.

[SugarSean]

Naw I flipped to the Lakers/Bucks game. I heard Miranda caught him wit a right hand. I'll catch the highlights somewhere. I read that Sergio Mora looked awful again in his win tonight, too. If anybody's interested...

[SugarSean]

Roy Jones is gonna take care of business on Saturday then he's gonna do the same thing to Calzaghe. After he's done with Calzaghe he's gonna KO Chad Dawson, Kelly Pavlik, Antonio Tarver and Glenn Johnson in consecutive fights to finish his career at the top of the p4p rankings. And if u can't already tell...yes, I'm from Pensacola and I am the biggest Roy Jones homer.

[Billingsley26]

ESPN was reporting that ODH an Floyd are very close to signing a remtch. Just what I heard, dont know if there is much truth to it. I hope so. I think ODH can give him another run for his money.

[JF4]

ESPN was reporting that ODH an Floyd are very close to signing a remtch. Just what I heard, dont know if there is much truth to it. I hope so. I think ODH can give him another run for his money.

I also heard that rumor.

I think it would be an interesting rematch but it will have the same results. I would like to see Floyd fight at least one more different fighter before he fights Oscar again.

[Billingsley26]

I also heard that rumor.

I think it would be an interesting rematch but it will have the same results. I would like to see Floyd fight at least one more different fighter before he fights Oscar again.

I keep hoping for Cotto to get the nod. I think he is one who actually has a shot at winning. Just as much as FLoyd does.

[SugarSean]

Cotto has no chance to beat Floyd right now. Neither does Antonio Margarito. Neither does Joshua Clottey. It's because they fight for Bob Arum and Floyd's not doin business with Arum. The only way he'll fight one of Arum's fighter is if they distinguish themselves as a HUGE mega-star and the money is too much to turn down. Til then he's not doin any business with Top Rank.

[lightsout]

dlh/mayweather II is almost done for september and floyd sr. is going to train oscar. should make for an entertaining 24/7. i don't really care for the fight though. floyd needs to fight cotto and williams.

[bored of education]

ODH v. mayweather 2? ODH has no chance

[M.O.T.H.]

My buddy is a huge John Duddy fan...and Duddy is finally getting his shot against Pavlik at the garden, June 7th. Oh I'm going...I cant wait. I still want Taylor to win the February fight, though...soften him up a bit. :)

[M.O.T.H.]

Good Fight on Tonight....

Unbeaten, B.J. Flores 20-0-1 (13 KO)

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/fotos/BJflores_picture.jpg

vs.

Darnell Wilson 22-5-3 (19 KO)

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f149/brickman08865/dwilson.jpg

Friday Night Fights (ESPN2)

[M.O.T.H.]

Pavlik/Taylor 2 tonight. I'm pulling for Taylor.

edit...Pavlik wins in unanimous decision.

[cordscords]

Pavlik/Taylor 2 tonight. I'm pulling for Taylor.

edit...Pavlik wins in unanimous decision.

I was pulling for Taylor as well. Good fight.

[757Dawg]

Y-Town represent.....

Pavlik - 2
Taylor - 0

F'n awesome.

[M.O.T.H.]

I dont like this crap I'm hearing about Tito possibly getting that fight instead of Duddy. I love Tito but, when is Duddy finally going to be given that chance? ugh. I'd fully expect Pavlik to win but, I still want to see it.

[UKfan]

Haye vs Maccarinelli in an hour and a half or so, much hype for this in the States? I can't wait! WAR HAYE!!

[Rob S]

No hype in the states, but I am fortunatley in Ireland! Watched on Setanta and Haye looked sick, I am interested to see him at HW....not so sure he is big enough.

[UKfan]

Apparently his plan is to take 6 months off and put on 2 stone of solid muscle, not sure about that, but his power should translate to HW, and at least it will be a colourful guy to invigorate what has been a lacklustre division for some time.

[SugarSean]

Juan Diaz looked ordinary. Campbell came to fight. I had to leave b4 the Peter/Maskaev fight. Anybody watch it? I know Peter ko'd him, but how did he look?

[M.O.T.H.]

Juan Diaz looked ordinary. Campbell came to fight. I had to leave b4 the Peter/Maskaev fight. Anybody watch it? I know Peter ko'd him, but how did he look?

Peter looked solid...he's no longer just clubbing out there. He's def. becoming more well-rounded and it's showing. I was impressed.

How about that David Haye knockout? Damn, I love him.

[Rob S]

Apparently his plan is to take 6 months off and put on 2 stone of solid muscle, not sure about that, but his power should translate to HW, and at least it will be a colourful guy to invigorate what has been a lacklustre division for some time.

well, I wish him luck in that goal, but paching on muscle is tough. Some fat is sure to come with it, but its not like he cant afford to put on some fat, guy is lean as all hell. It will be interesting to see to say the least, I am excited and would pick him over a lot of HW. Just not a guy like Peter or Wlad yet.

[M.O.T.H.]

Calzaghe vs. B-Hop tonight, I cant wait.

[UKfan]

Yeah, who you got to win? I think Calzaghe decision, whoever wins I see it going the distance.

[M.O.T.H.]

Yeah, who you got to win? I think Calzaghe decision, whoever wins I see it going the distance.

Yeah, I'd say Calzaghe wins by decision also.

[YAYareaRB]

Just watch the HBO special in Hopkins vs Calzaghe.. Calzaghe seems pretty confident. B-Hop is the usual executioner. I think this is gonna be a really good fight.

[M.O.T.H.]

Calzaghe already knocked down in the 1st and he's already busted open.

[UKfan]

I really thought watching it that B-Hop had done enough to win, no way did Calzaghe win by 5 clear rounds like 1 judge said.

[bored of education]

I think Calzaghe did plenty to win. Bernard one good pucnh a round wasn't enough. The 1st round was Hopkins and he may have won 2-3 other rounds.

[M.O.T.H.]

I think Calzaghe did plenty to win. Bernard one good pucnh a round wasn't enough. The 1st round was Hopkins and he may have won 2-3 other rounds.

Yeah, I agree. You could make the argument that he won the last 7 rounds or so. I was disappointed in this one.

[SugarSean]

Let's get the thread started back up again. Good fight tonight on ESPN2 with the Love Child takin on the Contender's (first season) Ishe Smith. Should be a pretty good scrap. Check it out.

[UKfan]

Ishe Smith, man that guy used to run his mouth on that show.

[kwilk103]

floyd mayweather officially retires

[M.O.T.H.]

Kelly Pavlik tonight, I cant wait.

[UKfan]

Yeah should be good, don't sleep on Lockett. I take Pavlik to win, but Lockett should be a decent test IMO, he's no can.

[Rob S]

hmmm...maybe u know more about Lockett than me but I think Pavlik should have an easy time. I expect him to get him outta there in 6 or maybe less. The fights this weekend are awesome tho. Williams-Quintana rematch is great, Juanma-De Leon is a fight I love, and Vernon Forrest- Sergio Mora is interesting as well. So a good night for fights, my tivo will be going. UFC tonight to haha

[UKfan]

Lockett's coming out of the Calzaghe camp so he's definitely going to be gritty, tough, relentless, maybe lacking in skill but he won't be an easy out is what I'm saying. Pavlik will have to put in the work to put him away.

[M.O.T.H.]

Lockett's coming out of the Calzaghe camp so he's definitely going to be gritty, tough, relentless, maybe lacking in skill but he won't be an easy out is what I'm saying. Pavlik will have to put in the work to put him away.

Didnt help Maccarinelli much. :D

[UKfan]

Didnt help Maccarinelli much. :D

Haha, not Mac's fault Haye is a manbeast with dynamite in his hands.

[MetSox17]

Anyone actually disappointed that we won't get to see a rematch between Floyd Mayweather and Oscar De La Hoya?

[M.O.T.H.]

The 1st fight wasnt all that great...De La Hoya is nearing the end and Mayweather's heart isnt in it anymore. So, i could really care less about that fight.

I think more people are mad that we may never see Mayweather fight Cotto.

[Rob S]

Anyone actually disappointed that we won't get to see a rematch between Floyd Mayweather and Oscar De La Hoya?

hell no. I dont know one serious boxing fan that was excited for that fight. Everyone was just pissed at Floyd for not fighting Cotto.

[M.O.T.H.]

Anyone just watch that fight? Ponce De Leon done in the 1st! Wow!

The speed and perfection of his punches was outstanding.

[LonghornsLegend]

floyd mayweather officially retires

Which is good, I didn't want to see him beat Oscar another time anyway, there really was no competition left, he might as well retire on top, ask Roy Jones about that I'm sure he feels the same way...Tarnished his legacy somewhat by sticking around and losing fights.

[M.O.T.H.]

Lockett is getting jabbed to hell.

[M.O.T.H.]

Damn...a heavily cut Duddy would have put up a much better fight.

[SugarSean]

Paul Williams looked great. JuanMa looked great. Pavlik crushed the tomato can. Sergio Mora impressed me. It was a good week for boxing.

And rumor has it that Mayweather's retirement has to do with Dana White's big announce regarding the UFC on Thursday.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

My gosh Manny Pacquiao is a freakin beast, most exciting fighter in quite some time. I too worried about him moving up to this weight class but damn he is still has that speed but even more strength now. He's the real kimbo slice, street fighter to champ, and he was a real street fighter, fighting for money just enough for food, not the Kimbo internet junk. The guy shouldn't be this good because he fights so wildly but hey, it's fun to watch.

[SugarSean]

Pac's fightin a lot more controlled now. He's not just a free swinger anymore. He's an animal but Diaz isn't a top notch fighter.

[Rob S]

Pac Man put on one of the more impressive performances I have seen last night. The man is one of the fastest punchers I have ever seen. He threw 4 punch combos with just his right hand before resetting into his stance. The best part is that they came with power. He proved it last night, Pac Man is #1 p4p.

[SugarSean]

Torres/Holt II was quick as hell. Good scrap for only a minute.

[M.O.T.H.]

Nothing like a live 4:30 PM match for the Heavyweight championship of the world. The ultimate underdog, Tony Thompson, taking on Wladimir Klitschko. Klitschko should take this one easily but, the potential is their for this one to get interesting. Go Tony! :)

[M.O.T.H.]

They're both cut early on...Klitz is gushing.

[M.O.T.H.]

Klitschko knocked him out in the 11th. I had him winning 8 of the first 10 anyway. First 5 rounds or so this was a great fight but, Tony soon ran out of gas and went into survival mode. It got rough late and Klitschko was throwing him around the ring...nice to see him in this type of fight. He took care of business once again.

[UKfan]

WAR David Haye, god I hope he gets a fight with Klitschko, he might not win as he is a small HW, but at least he would shake up that stale division.

[SugarSean]

Klitschko was alright. I dont like his style but he KO's 90% so u cant complain...plus all his losses came by KO so he's probably the boxer that has the greatest change of anything happening in one of his fights. It can be a snoozer, early KO, late KO, early KO loss or late KO loss. You never really know what the result is gonna be in a Vlad fight, but u know it's gonna be somewhat boring.

[SugarSean]

WAR David Haye, god I hope he gets a fight with Klitschko, he might not win as he is a small HW, but at least he would shake up that stale division.



Haye will breath life into the division but he's not perfect either. I like him, but everyone knows his jaw is made out of REALLY thin glass.

And I like that (not sure of the correct internet term) but I'm talkin bout the moving pic of Wand hittin Rampage with that bomb. I've probably spend 5 hours of my life watching and re-watching the Wand/Rampage fights in Pride. Wandy was a ****** beast back then. He was my favorite fighter (boxing and MMA) for a good year and a half right after Roy got KOed by Tarver and then Glencoe in consecutive fights. Now I cant stand him b/c he didnt evolve with the sport, so now he's a shell of his former self. Hopefully bein with XC helps him get back in his groove. It sure worked against Jardine.

[Rob S]

Wandy is the man, love him. COTTO fight soon baby!!!!!!!!!! Biggest fight of my boy's career. I am so pumped.

[Rob S]

Klitschko was alright. I dont like his style but he KO's 90% so u cant complain...plus all his losses came by KO so he's probably the boxer that has the greatest change of anything happening in one of his fights. It can be a snoozer, early KO, late KO, early KO loss or late KO loss. You never really know what the result is gonna be in a Vlad fight, but u know it's gonna be somewhat boring.

he's gotta fight someone legit soon. I wanna see Sam Peter again or Chagaev or Haye.

[Rob S]

WAR David Haye, god I hope he gets a fight with Klitschko, he might not win as he is a small HW, but at least he would shake up that stale division.

did u see his comments on Klitchko? He doesnt lack confidence at least.

[UKfan]

Haye will breath life into the division but he's not perfect either. I like him, but everyone knows his jaw is made out of REALLY thin glass.

Yeah I'm not saying Haye will even win a belt (although he should win at least 1), just saying he's exciting in the ring, and he has a personality, hopefully breathe some life into a very stale division.

[Rob S]

I want to keep this alive this time haha....bump it for Cotto-Marg discussion.....best fight of the year, shame the UC sucks tho.

[M.O.T.H.]

I'll try my best to keep it up also...it just sucks that we only have like 4 guys posting in here. haha.

[cdub11]

i think Cotto will beat Margarito, should be a good fight

[Leveraged Buyout]

Klitschko was alright. I dont like his style but he KO's 90% so u cant complain...plus all his losses came by KO so he's probably the boxer that has the greatest change of anything happening in one of his fights. It can be a snoozer, early KO, late KO, early KO loss or late KO loss. You never really know what the result is gonna be in a Vlad fight, but u know it's gonna be somewhat boring.

Klitch just throws that lazy jab all fight and occasionally tries to hammer guys with his right. Boring as can be.

[MaxV]

Alexander Povetkin is another exciting young HW with great power.

[Rob S]

Alexander Povetkin is another exciting young HW with great power.

He's got the next crack at Wlad too...I like Povetkin, but can see him pulling the upset there, dont see him being fast enough to get inside and use his power.

As for the Cotto fight, I am biased and I know it. I do pick Cotto to win tho. I think the combination of his footwork and jab will be key to his victory in this fight. I will post a big analysis later, but I see those as being the key. Margarito's best shot imo is to use his uppercut, which he has been doing more often. I love Cotto, and his defense is actually borderline elite now imo, but one punch he is ALWAYS open for is the UC. I think Cotto's chin is fine, but a solid uppercut from a guy like Marg will hurt anyone.

[Rob S]

Oh, another question to maybe spark some debate. Who do u see going forward in the Cotto fight? I know my answer, but I want to see what everyone else thinks.

[SugarSean]

Margarito will be the one coming forward, but Cotto should win easily. Margarito is not that good and he will fight foolishly (just with his heart) while Cotto will fight with his heart and his brain. Just like in the Paul Williams fight, Margarito will lose and then all his fans will make excuses as to why he lost. Then everyone will say Cotto fears Margarito and is scared of a rematch. Bob Arum has everybody brainwashed with Margarito for some reason. He's tough, but tough doesn't mean good. He wouldn't be an easy fight for anybody but that doesn't mean that actually BEAT anybody of note. Cotto is the better fighter and it'll show on the 26th. Hopefully after that we never have to hear about AM again.


And Rob I give Cotto lots of credit now. Lots more than I used to, but I dont feel like I was wrong back then. He's improved his game tremendously and its undeniable now that he's a stud. I still wouldn't necessarily say that his defense is elite or even borderline elite. I'd say it's good and much better than it used to be. I actually think it's his chin that doesn't get enough credit now. I'm officially a Cotto fan now.

[Rob S]

Margarito will be the one coming forward, but Cotto should win easily. Margarito is not that good and he will fight foolishly (just with his heart) while Cotto will fight with his heart and his brain. Just like in the Paul Williams fight, Margarito will lose and then all his fans will make excuses as to why he lost. Then everyone will say Cotto fears Margarito and is scared of a rematch. Bob Arum has everybody brainwashed with Margarito for some reason. He's tough, but tough doesn't mean good. He wouldn't be an easy fight for anybody but that doesn't mean that actually BEAT anybody of note. Cotto is the better fighter and it'll show on the 26th. Hopefully after that we never have to hear about AM again.


And Rob I give Cotto lots of credit now. Lots more than I used to, but I dont feel like I was wrong back then. He's improved his game tremendously and its undeniable now that he's a stud. I still wouldn't necessarily say that his defense is elite or even borderline elite. I'd say it's good and much better than it used to be. I actually think it's his chin that doesn't get enough credit now. I'm officially a Cotto fan now.

haha my best friend actually came around too....i convert them one at a time. I think Cotto has very good defense actually. Pretty much the only punch that hits him is the uppercut. His defense has been a revelation to me. His jab too, where the eff did that come from? It is now one of the best in boxing. I just love how he is constantly improving.

[Rob S]

and margarito will come forward.....i think cotto will try and box his pants of tho and i think he can

['cuse-213]

me andthis kid fought outside of a bsr one night, does that count as boxing .

[SugarSean]

and margarito will come forward.....i think cotto will try and box his pants of tho and i think he can


I think Cotto will stop him. His one punch power isn't as good as someone like Cintron's but his overall power is much better. Cintron can hurt u with one shot. Cotto hurts u with every shot. He'll hit AM too easily and wear him down late in the fight. I dont think AM has what it takes to hit Cotto with anything of significance. Too wild, too slow.

[Rob S]

cotttttttoooooooo this weekend!!! haha I am so pumped up. Both looked in good shape at the weigh in.......not dried out. Margarito is WAY taller, but I dont see that being a problem for Cotto as Margarito doesnt fight like a tall guy, actually preferring to work on the inside.

[M.O.T.H.]

cotttttttoooooooo this weekend!!! haha I am so pumped up. Both looked in good shape at the weigh in.......not dried out. Margarito is WAY taller, but I dont see that being a problem for Cotto as Margarito doesnt fight like a tall guy, actually preferring to work on the inside.

Hell yes...I cant wait. My buddy's birthday is on the 30th so i bought this fight, in glorious HD for him. Guy has an unhealthy man crush on Cotto. haha.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Margarito TKO in 5

[M.O.T.H.]

Margarito TKO in 5

Very BOLD.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Very BOLD.

I think Margarito knows this is his fight and he has the advantage. the ball is in his court.

[Rob S]

Hell yes...I cant wait. My buddy's birthday is on the 30th so i bought this fight, in glorious HD for him. Guy has an unhealthy man crush on Cotto. haha.

he wouldnt be the only one lol. I love miguel cotto. I was one of the first to get on the bandwagon too. I remember it was when I was 1st getting into boxing, my 1st PPV he fought an 8 rounder and I said......he is my favorite fighter. It worked out haha.......it could have easily been Panchito Bojado or someone. So because I have been in from the beginning I almost feel like I have grown up with Cotto haha........its wierd.

[Rob S]

Margarito TKO in 5

if the fight ends early margarito will be the victor imo. I could see one of his uppercuts putting cotto down, thats pretty much the only punch that had consistently hit cotto tho. His defense has been money lately.

[M.O.T.H.]

I figure Cotto will see a knockdown or two but, I think he'll take it.

[Rob S]

I think Margarito knows this is his fight and he has the advantage. the ball is in his court.

How? do u care to elaborate at all? His only advantage is his height and punch output and chin. And he fight inside so height means jack......only that more body is availible for cotto. So all margarito had on cotto is a chin and being able to punch more. While that is enough to make this a pick em fight.......it is way off to say this is fight and that he has the advantage. Even if he does stop cotto early.......it wont be because he is a better fighter than cotto. Cotto is better at most aspects of the sweet science.

[Rob S]

I figure Cotto will see a knockdown or two but, I think he'll take it.

he easily could.

[M.O.T.H.]

Going to be a good weekend...potential fight of the year Saturday and the Dark Knight on Sunday.

[Rob S]

Going to be a good weekend...potential fight of the year Saturday and the Dark Knight on Sunday.

nice. have u seen it yet?

[Tampa 2 4 life]

How? do u care to elaborate at all? His only advantage is his height and punch output and chin. And he fight inside so height means jack......only that more body is availible for cotto. So all margarito had on cotto is a chin and being able to punch more. While that is enough to make this a pick em fight.......it is way off to say this is fight and that he has the advantage. Even if he does stop cotto early.......it wont be because he is a better fighter than cotto. Cotto is better at most aspects of the sweet science.

Margarito's gonna turn it into a slugfest, height advantage means cotto will need a little momentum on his punches for power, so Margarito can just inside and pound on him. I think he's got this.

[Rob S]

Margarito's gonna turn it into a slugfest, height advantage means cotto will need a little momentum on his punches for power, so Margarito can just inside and pound on him. I think he's got this.

do u actually think cotto will be stupid enough to slug it out. He outboxed Sugar Shane for God's sake. I mean Margarito may be able to walk him down, but Cotto's jab could very well keep him away. And the height does nothing for margarito. Fighting a tall guy is only hard if they use their length.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

do u actually think cotto will be stupid enough to slug it out. He outboxed Sugar Shane for God's sake. I mean Margarito may be able to walk him down, but Cotto's jab could very well keep him away. And the height does nothing for margarito. Fighting a tall guy is only hard if they use their length.

You don't think Margarito's gonna use his length. Stun him with the jab and move in and get some slugs in.

[Rob S]

You don't think Margarito's gonna use his length. Stun him with the jab and move in and get some slugs in.

how many margarito fights have u seen. I am just curious (I honestly dont mean this o insult u, its not anything like that) because margarito either doesnt throw the jab or looks poor doing it. Margaritos style is essentialy, put his head down, walk his opponent down (he isnt tremendous at cutting off the ring), maybe throw a lazy lead punch, then get inside and unleash hell. Could it beat Cotto, for sure. But I really think Cotto is going to back up, use his sledgehammer jab and at least keep margarito at bay for most of the rounds.

[M.O.T.H.]

nice. have u seen it yet?

Nope, not yet.

[Rob S]

Nope, not yet.

u wont be disappointed. I have already been twice and am going to go once more in IMAX. I would even go a fourth time, but then I would be spending over 40 bucks on one movie and I dont have that kind of loot.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

how many margarito fights have u seen. I am just curious (I honestly dont mean this o insult u, its not anything like that) because margarito either doesnt throw the jab or looks poor doing it. Margaritos style is essentialy, put his head down, walk his opponent down (he isnt tremendous at cutting off the ring), maybe throw a lazy lead punch, then get inside and unleash hell. Could it beat Cotto, for sure. But I really think Cotto is going to back up, use his sledgehammer jab and at least keep margarito at bay for most of the rounds.

I've only seen two Margarito fights..When he throws the jab its not terrible. Against a fighter like Cotto he's going to need it and he should use it some FWIW. I still say he catches him with an uppercut.

[Rob S]

honestly.....I can only see Margarito winning by decision if Cotto fights stupidly. He could however knock Cotto out at any time. I dont think Cotto will stop Margarito unless he lands a perfect body punch because u literally cant move when a perfect liver shot lands, it had nothing to do with toughness really.

[Rob S]

Alright so my official prediction is Cotto by points in a close decision, possibly split or majority.

[UKfan]

Cotto by UD, probably an 8-4 or 9-3 split of rounds I think.

[MetSox17]

So my friends had the genius idea of going to BWW yesterday instead of today. I completely forgot about the fight, and now i might need to shell out the 50 bones to watch it here at home.

Maybe this time i can win the pool ;)

Let's go Margarito!

[SugarSean]

Cotto needs to win by at least a good unanimous decision to keep my respect.

[Rob S]

Cotto needs to win by at least a good unanimous decision to keep my respect.

wow. No love for Margarito for you. Thats cool.....his resume is questionable for sure, but I think he is class. To each his own I suppose.

[SugarSean]

I really dont see why people confuse "tough" with elite. Margarito is a tough fighter. Great chin. Good power and he's big...but if you watch him u see that he's not GOOD. He got outboxed by Josh Clottey. He got outboxed by Paul Williams. And he definitely would NOT beat Paul Williams in a rematch. He SHOULD get outboxed by Cotto and maybe even stopped. He's never gotten hit by anybody as much as he's gonna get hit by Cotto. I'm just not one of the people that understands why everybody is payin attention to the hype while ignoring the in-ring body of work of the guy. I'm not talkin about what he does to Golden Johnson and Kermit Cintron-type scrubs. I'm talkin bout when he actually gets in there with a fighter with a pulse, he gets beaten and outclassed. It'll happen again tonight or Cotto is overrated.

[SugarSean]

And yes, I'm callin Cintron a scrub. He didnt start fighting until he was 19. He never beat anybody that had any type of skill. He got destroyed by Margarito twice (who I'm obviously not to high on). He only won a vacated title and it was against Mark Suarez (come on). He has absolutely ZERO heart and minimal skill. He is a definite scrub and anybody that knows anything about the Feliciano fight fight wont dispute it. I swear on my life that I'd pick Berto to beat him right now.

[bernbabybern820]

Hhhoolllyy Cccraaappp. Foty!!!!

[SugarSean]

Styles make fights and Cotto just didnt have the style that is successful against Margarito. He fought a foolish fight. Props to Margarito.

[bernbabybern820]

I really dont see why people confuse "tough" with elite. Margarito is a tough fighter. Great chin. Good power and he's big...but if you watch him u see that he's not GOOD. He got outboxed by Josh Clottey. He got outboxed by Paul Williams. And he definitely would NOT beat Paul Williams in a rematch. He SHOULD get outboxed by Cotto and maybe even stopped. He's never gotten hit by anybody as much as he's gonna get hit by Cotto. I'm just not one of the people that understands why everybody is payin attention to the hype while ignoring the in-ring body of work of the guy. I'm not talkin about what he does to Golden Johnson and Kermit Cintron-type scrubs. I'm talkin bout when he actually gets in there with a fighter with a pulse, he gets beaten and outclassed. It'll happen again tonight or Cotto is overrated.

tough > elite i guess...

[SugarSean]

Uhhh no. Tonight Margarito's will was stronger than Cotto's skill. Cotto had a good fight plan but he abandoned it. You cant knock everybody out dude. Sometimes u have to stick and move to win. Cotto decided not to do it, so he lost. He's not as disciplined a fighter as Paul Williams.

[SugarSean]

Hey whoever said Cotto had to watch out for Margarito's uppercuts was dead on. Those short lead uppercuts were a thing of beauty.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Margarito TKO in 5

Damn, off by five.

[bernbabybern820]

How can any human being take Cotto's clean punches like that for 10 rounds?

[kwilk103]

this is why i hate my friends

they went to an amateur mma fight (sold my tix b/c i had to work; plus they think they can do it), and i watched this fight

they hate boxing b/c they've seen 1 fight (mayweather-de la hoya go figure) and think its boring

i've tried to get them to watch some roy jones jr, and some older fights (ali-frazier, etc), but they think it will be boring

anyways, what a fight; real good

may will stay retired now; think he was waiting for a big payday with cotto

[Bosanac01]

this is why i hate my friends

they went to an amateur mma fight (sold my tix b/c i had to work; plus they think they can do it), and i watched this fight

they hate boxing b/c they've seen 1 fight (mayweather-de la hoya go figure) and think its boring

i've tried to get them to watch some roy jones jr, and some older fights (ali-frazier, etc), but they think it will be boring

anyways, what a fight; real good

may will stay retired now; think he was waiting for a big payday with cotto


Dude i hate your friends, my friends are completely the opposite.

[cdub11]

im surprised, i thought cotto would win

[kwilk103]

Dude i hate your friends, my friends are completely the opposite.

dude, i would like your friends then

its annoying; honestly, i think they like mma is b/c they think they can do it (we wrestled in hs and were pretty good) and a lot of wrestlers are getting into it

they all say they're worried about the stand-up part; none have ever been in a fight; i just laugh b/c they'd drop after 1 punch

all i ask is for them to just watch 1 boxing match on ppv (since we order like every mma, and it bores me); and i mean like the one tonight, not a may-odh one

[Bosanac01]

dude, i would like your friends then

its annoying; honestly, i think they like mma is b/c they think they can do it (we wrestled in hs and were pretty good) and a lot of wrestlers are getting into it

they all say they're worried about the stand-up part; none have ever been in a fight; i just laugh b/c they'd drop after 1 punch

all i ask is for them to just watch 1 boxing match on ppv (since we order like every mma, and it bores me); and i mean like the one tonight, not a may-odh one


haha i honestly love the stand up part, i fought a million times and it always worked for me, but im a good wrestler as well. My favorite thing to do was ground and pound. MMA is so much harder then it seems, those guys work their ass off for a short fight.
Friends like that would just piss me off. We had a party this last saturday where there was a lot of people and we turned on the big screen tv and watched MMA. lol, everyone i know loves it.

[kwilk103]

i would like to see them fight; my jr high wrestling coach trains with some of the guys in it (his bro-in-laws friend runs it); all they work on is takedowns and submissions

i would find it hilarious to see one of my friends get ko'd; that sounds bad, but they think they'd be good

they also said they would last more than a couple rounds with a pro boxer at 120 weight class (when they weigh 150)

[M.O.T.H.]

Margarito was just amazing....he kept coming forward again and again. Cotto abused him early on and he didnt seem effected at all. I will say, Cotto faught nearly a perfect fight for the 1st 5 rounds but, Margarito was just too much for him. Unbelievable performace. Who knows where these guys go from here, though. This shakes things up a bit. Pretty much kills any Cotto/Mayweather. If I'm Maragrito, I want Paul Williams again. Yeah, this was a bit of a coin toss but, I'm shocked.

[Bosanac01]

i would like to see them fight; my jr high wrestling coach trains with some of the guys in it (his bro-in-laws friend runs it); all they work on is takedowns and submissions

i would find it hilarious to see one of my friends get ko'd; that sounds bad, but they think they'd be good

they also said they would last more than a couple rounds with a pro boxer at 120 weight class (when they weigh 150)

Someone at 120 would wear their ass out, 2 rounds and they will die. I think they'll get ko'd, those small guys are quick as hell and your friends will be surprized with the power.

[kwilk103]

Someone at 120 would wear their ass out, 2 rounds and they will die. I think they'll get ko'd, those small guys are quick as hell and your friends will be surprized with the power.

i told them the same thing (power); i said they knock pros out in 12 rounds, imagine what they'd do to someone with no experiance

it would be worse than canseco vs that eagle guy; and he had 50 lbs on him; they would only have 30-40

[Bosanac01]

i told them the same thing (power); i said they knock pros out in 12 rounds, imagine what they'd do to someone with no experiance

it would be worse than canseco vs that eagle guy; and he had 50 lbs on him; they would only have 30-40

The weight does not matter if you look at it. It is a pro vs. no experiance. Im 170 and i know i would get my ass whoped vs. a 120 pro boxer.

[kwilk103]

The weight does not matter if you look at it. It is a pro vs. no experiance. Im 170 and i know i would get my ass whoped vs. a 120 pro boxer.

tell that to them; not even a pro, and amateur would whoop them

[M.O.T.H.]

I dont know about you guys but as the fight wore on....I felt that Cotto could go at any moment but, there was nothing Cotto could do to knock out Margarito. Hell of a performance by Margarito.

[MetSox17]

Man, i was rooting for Margarito and i'm glad he pulled it out for my peeps :D

Does anyone have the scorecards for the fight? I looked for them on FoxSports but couldn't find them.

[Bosanac01]

Man i really didnt care who wins, i just wanted to see some kickass boxing.

[LTgiants]

Man, i was rooting for Margarito and i'm glad he pulled it out for my peeps :D

Does anyone have the scorecards for the fight? I looked for them on FoxSports but couldn't find them.

they said that 2 judges had its 96-94 margarito and 1 had it tied going into the final round

[MetSox17]

they said that 2 judges had its 96-94 margarito and 1 had it tied going into the final round

Thanks. How did the douchebag Lederman have it scored?

[LTgiants]

Thanks. How did the douchebag Lederman have it scored?

he had it even

[MetSox17]

he had it even

Oh okay, i usually base my scoring opposite of what he does.

[LTgiants]

Oh okay, i usually base my scoring opposite of what he does.

ya i no sometimes he is pretty bad

[Rob S]

plastered, but w.e. I t was an amazing fight, prpos to atonio, he was awesome. i wouls like tio c a rematch, cotto was to willing to brawl. If he coxed he would win, vut thats hard adainst mardar9to. i eill ne sonber in the am laterzzzzzz, mt soelling has gotten worse qne i know that but w.e, my bot kost i can be crunnk

[UKfan]

I'm plastered, but whatever. It was an amazing fight, props to Antonio, he was awesome. I would like to see a rematch, Cotto was too willing to brawl. If he boxed he would win, but that's hard against Margarito. I will be sober in the am later, my spelling has gotten worse and I know that but whatever, my boy lost i can be crunnk

I think I fixed it, lol!

[Rob S]

haha good going haha......owow i am gome....this is bad. i hinestly tried t revise

[Rob S]

and ur proably awake already thats amazing!

[UKfan]

Hah, I recorded the fight and watched it this morning.

[Rob S]

alright........sober now. Margo is a freak......how he can eat Cotto's clean shot, and still come forward and throw 1000 punches! Freak. However, Cotto can beat him. He needs to come in and not be stupid and trade.....and run.....and clinch.....and make it not a FOTY candidate. Will he do that, idk. I love Cotto because he will never give the fans a poor fight. That is kind of his blessing and his curse. As for whats next. I think Margo fight Williams if Top Rank and Goosen can get a deal done (not likely) or he rematches Clottey if he beats Judah or fights Shane. Cotto deserves another Gomez like fight AFTER he heals fully. Take a pretty easy fight, get back into the swing of things, then rematch Margo. Thats what I want to see. And I called the uppercuts did I not?

[SugarSean]

Anybody been watchin USA's horrible boxing team in the Olympics? I saw Rau'shee Warren (I think that's his name) and the heavyweight Deontay Wilder. Wilder's the only guy still standin for the US. He's 6'7" and pretty talented for a guy that's only been boxing for 2 years. I heard Demetrius Andrade was supposed to be the best fighter for the US, but I missed both his fights. Can anybody give a scouting report on Andrade?

[SugarSean]

Haha Rob. Sucks u got drunk during Cotto/Margarito. I got annihilated during De la Hoya/Mayweather n I didn't even remember the fight. I wasted about 60 bucks on the ppv and another 20 or 20 on alcohol. I don't even remember if I stayed for the end of the fight b/c Cinco de Mayo is a pretty big deal at my school.

[Rob S]

sorry sean.....I cant bear to watch olympic boxing most times.

[kwilk103]

de la hoya-pacquiano sold out in about 2 hrs, with a gross gate of $17 mil; the 2nd highest in boxing history

[UKfan]

David Haye vs Monte Barrett announced.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/7636233.stm

Thoughts? Good fight IMO, Monte is a seasoned campaigner at the weight and has fought at the top, no embarrassment for Haye to lose to, but a fight he can win.

[kwilk103]

that gamboa fighting tonight is an up-and-coming star

11-0 with 11 kos, i think

10 pm on hbo

fight prob around 12

its free

[kwilk103]

geez, gamboa is good

gets knocked down in the 1st, but gets the ko in the 2nd

he is really really quick

[MaxV]

Congrats to Vitaly Klitschko! Dominant performance against one of the few legit HW contenders.

I can't wait to see Wlad vs. Povetkin. Povetkin is my favorite fighter, but I doubt he wins this one.

[M.O.T.H.]

I was very disappointed by that outcome. I was also pretty mad that I didnt get to watch it.

[kwilk103]

pavlik-hopkins tomorrow

[ChezPower4]

pavlik-hopkins tomorrow

Can't wait to see this fight, I think that Pavlik will win the fight but i don't think he'll win by knock out. I would be amazing if Pavlik does KO Hopkins though

[SugarSean]

I havent been on this site in a while, but did any of u guys watch Chad Dawson last week? The kid is special. I think he's one of my top 3 favorite fighters now.

[kwilk103]

hopkins controlled that fight very easily

[SugarSean]

hopkins controlled that fight very easily




B-Hop looked good. Kelly looked ordinary. Good fight.

[Bosanac01]

here's SI blog round by round for people like me who didnt get a chance to see it. Looks like b-hop really just controled from the beggining, and pavlik had nothing.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/chris_mannix/10/18/pavlik.hopkins.blog/?cnn=yes

[SugarSean]

here's SI blog round by round for people like me who didnt get a chance to see it. Looks like b-hop really just controled from the beggining, and pavlik had nothing.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/chris_mannix/10/18/pavlik.hopkins.blog/?cnn=yes



That's pretty accurate. Kelly didn't land a significant punch all night. B-Hop killed him with the lateral movement. Kelly had no answer for it or for B-Hop's hand speed. It was a pretty one-sided fight.

[Geo]

Caught the Hopkins/Pavlik fight on HBO, Hopkins dominated that start to finish imo. I don't think I gave Pavlik one round, it was the defintion of thorough.

The judges were more generous on their scores, but still one-sided.

[ChezPower4]

Caught the Hopkins/Pavlik fight on HBO, Hopkins dominated that start to finish imo. I don't think I gave Pavlik one round, it was the defintion of thorough.

The judges were more generous on their scores, but still one-sided.

I gave Pavlik two rounds towards the end but all in all, Hopkins handed Pavlik his A** in this fight. I now hope that Roy Jones beats Joe Calzaghe so we can finally see a Jones Jr. vs. Hopkins fight...... I'm about to pee my pants just thinking about it