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D-Unit
10-03-2007, 01:45 AM
Comprise your best front 7 line up using draft prospects for a 1 Gap and 2 Gap scheme.

fenikz
10-03-2007, 02:29 AM
DE DeMario Pressley, NC State
NT Glen Dorsey, LSU
DE Sedrick Ellis, USC

OLB Derrick Harvey, Florida
ILB James Laurinitis, Ohio State
ILB Ray Maualaga, USC
OLB Quentin Groves, Auburn

I know that Dorsey isn't NT size right now but he isn't far from it and with his frame he could easily carry the extra weight

Big_Pete
10-03-2007, 02:37 AM
one with possible juniors (including DBs)...


NT: Terrence Taylor, Michigan, 6-0, 310, 5.05

DE: Tyson Jackson, LSU, 6-5, 292, 4.84

DE: Calais Campbell, Miami (FL), 6-8, 280, 4.85

OLB: Vernon Gholston, Ohio St, 6-4, 258, 4.65

OLB: Erin Henderson, Maryland, 6-3, 242, 4.65

ILB: James Laurinaitis, Ohio St, 6-3, 244, 4.60

ILB: Rey Melualuga, USC, 6-3, 250, 4.70

CB: Aqib Talib, Kansas, 6-2, 202, 4.50

CB: Malcolm Jenkins, Ohio St, 6-1, 202, 4.45

SS: Kenny Phillips Miami (FL) 6-2 210 4.45

FS: Reggie Smith, Oklahoma, 6-0, 196, 4.45

Paranoidmoonduck
10-03-2007, 02:50 AM
RE: Chris Long
NT: B.J. Raji
LE: DeMario Pressley

WLB: Vernon Gholston
ILB: Jasper Brinkley
ILB: Vince Hall
SLB: Brian Cushing

Not too happy about plugging Pressley into this scheme, but he could probably pull it off.

darnik44two
10-03-2007, 04:02 AM
RE: Chris Long, Virginia (6-4, 284)

NT: B.J. Raji, Boston College (6-1, 325)

LE: DeMario Pressley, N.C. State (6-4, 293)

ROLB - Rey Maualuga, USC (6-3, 250)

RILB - Jasper Brinkley, South Carolina (6-2, 262)

LILB - Ezra Butler, Nevada (6-2, 248)

LOLB - Quentin Groves, Auburn (6-3, 254)

draftguru151
10-03-2007, 08:35 AM
DE- Dre Moore
NT- Terrance Taylor
DE- Chris Long/Tyson Jackson
OLB- Quentin Groves
ILB- Jonathan Goff
ILB- Dan Connor
OLB- Vernon Gholston/Shawn Crable

It's a bit iffy. If Long really is in the 260s I'd prefer Jackson there. Gholston/Crable depends on if you want more of a pass rusher or more of a balanced guy. I like Connor's blitzing ability inside. Goff is me being a bit of a homer/fan boy and not liking what I've seen from Rey and Brinkley this year.

Don Vito
10-03-2007, 09:07 AM
I don't really like DeMario Pressley in a 3-4 as an end. He is a penetrator from the UT spot, and he could maybe play nose in a 4-3. His best fit is a tampa 2 so he can use his athleticism, quickness, and skills at getting to the QB to his benefit. He does have prototypical size for the 3-4 as an end I just like him as a DT in a 4-3 the best.

LE-Dre Moore
NT-B.J. Raji
RE-Chris Long
SOLB-Shawn Crable
SILB-Jonathan Goff
WILB-Dan Connor
WOLB-Derrick Harvey

fenikz
10-03-2007, 10:07 AM
I don't really like DeMario Pressley in a 3-4 as an end. He is a penetrator from the UT spot, and he could maybe play nose in a 4-3. His best fit is a tampa 2 so he can use his athleticism, quickness, and skills at getting to the QB to his benefit. He does have prototypical size for the 3-4 as an end I just like him as a DT in a 4-3 the best.


Thats what I thought about Darnell Dockett before this season, but he has been dominated everyone from that position.

Freddy G
10-03-2007, 10:18 AM
LE- Chris Long
NT- Glenn Dorsey (adds 15lbs)
RE- Tyson Jackson
Utility man- Dre Moore (i think he can do both DE and NT in the 3-4)

WOLB- Quentin Groves
WILB- Jonathon Goff
SILB- Jasper Brinkley
SOLB- Vernon Gholston

Thats a 60 sack front seven right there....

Man_Of_Steel
10-03-2007, 11:09 AM
DE DeMario Pressley, NC State
NT Glen Dorsey, LSU
DE Chris Long, Va

OLB Vernon Gholston, OSU
ILB James Laurinitis, OSU
ILB Ray Maualaga, USC
OLB Quentin Groves, Auburn

aheineken
10-03-2007, 11:25 AM
DE - Glenn Dorsey, LSU
NT - Red Bryant, Texas A&M
DE - Chris Long, Virginia

OLB - Vernon Gholston, Ohio State
ILB - Rey Maualuga, USC
ILB - Dan Connor, Penn State
OLB - Quentin Groves, Auburn

keylime_5
10-03-2007, 11:26 AM
DE-Tyson Jackson
NT-BJ Raji
DE-Chris Long
LOLB-Vernon Gholston
LILB-Dan Connor
RILB-James Laurinaitis
ROLB-Derrick Harvey

I would kill for that to be my front seven. Talk about a young and talented squad. I think all four of those LBs will be pro bowlers in the NFL.

bored of education
10-03-2007, 02:54 PM
NT- Red Bryant i dont care if he is too tall. dude's a beast
DE - Chris Long
DE- Glen Dorsey
WOLB- Bruce Davis
WILB-Johnathan Goff
SILB- James Laurintis
SOLB- Vernon Gholston

D-Unit
10-03-2007, 03:15 PM
Do Gholston and Groves have the range to play LB? Can they drop back in coverage and cover TEs or RBs? I have my doubts.

Here's my shot:

1 gap 3-4 scheme

DE Tyson Jackson
NT Glenn Dorsey
DE Chris Long

2 gap 3-4 scheme

DE Myron Pryor
NT Terence Taylor
DE Roy Miller

LBs

WOLB Shawn Crable
WILB James Laurinaitis
SILB Rey Maualuga
SOLB Brian Cushing

Freddy G
10-03-2007, 03:29 PM
I am as big of OSU fan as any (i go there) and i love Laurinaitis, but i really don't see him suitable in the 34 unless you got a super stud NT ala Jamal Williams. He is great in coverage and a good blizter, but he still struggles to get of blocks and through trash and really isn't the downhill guy some may think. Like i said, he could do it as long as he had monster DL in front, but him vs OGs = swallowed up.

megansett56BC
10-03-2007, 03:42 PM
DE: Tyson Jackson
DT: BJ Raji
DE: Chris Long
WOLB: Quentin Groves
WILB: James Laurinaitis
SILB: Jonathon Goff
SOLB: Brian Cushing

draftguru151
10-03-2007, 03:47 PM
Do Gholston and Groves have the range to play LB? Can they drop back in coverage and cover TEs or RBs? I have my doubts.

Both already have experience dropping, and in Groves case he has experience in at OLB in both a 3-4 and 4-3 so both have that above the other DEs converting to 3-4 OLB. Both are also very good athletes so they fit the mold. They're not gonna be monster coverage guys, but they'd be rushing the passer more times than not anyway.

toonsterwu
10-03-2007, 04:13 PM
Mine might be a bit different ... just seniors for me (too lazy to consider all possible juniors)

DE Maurice Murray, New Mexico State
NT Dre Moore, Maryland
DE Kendall Langford, Hampton

WLB Quentin Groves, Auburn
ILB Jonathan Goff, Vanderbilt
ILB Beau Bell, UNLV
SLB Greyson Gunheim, Washington

no love
10-03-2007, 04:40 PM
RE: Chris Long
NT: B.J. Raji
LE: DeMario Pressley

WLB: Vernon Gholston
ILB: Jasper Brinkley
ILB: Vince Hall
SLB: Brian Cushing

Not too happy about plugging Pressley into this scheme, but he could probably pull it off.

I like it. But I would put James Laurinitis at WILB, I like the idea of having a ILB who can drop like a cover-2 ILB in the 3-4. It gives amazing potential to mix things up, I think this might be the reason that the Pats have Adalius at ILB

darnik44two
10-03-2007, 05:56 PM
Wow, I can't believe I'm the only one who likes Maualuga as a OLB in a 3-4. He has ideal size, he's strong as hell (that's a quality in a 3-4 OLB that's often overlooked), he's one of the faster LB's in the draft and one of the most athletic as well.

D-Unit
10-03-2007, 05:58 PM
Mine might be a bit different ... just seniors for me (too lazy to consider all possible juniors)

DE Maurice Murray, New Mexico State
NT Dre Moore, Maryland
DE Kendall Langford, Hampton

WLB Quentin Groves, Auburn
ILB Jonathan Goff, Vanderbilt
ILB Beau Bell, UNLV
SLB Greyson Gunheim, Washington
Oh I soo wanted to put Beau Bell in mine... that is until I got trapped by the big name guys. :(

You always have interesting info Toon. Props.

Sniper
10-03-2007, 06:17 PM
DE- Tyson Jackson
NT- Terrance Taylor
DE- Chris Long
OLB- Vernon Gholston
ILB- Rey Maualuga
ILB- Dan Connor
OLB- Shawn Crable
CB- Justin King
CB- Jack Ikegwuonu
FS- Malcolm Jenkins (moving to safety, great CB)
SS- Kenny Phillips

neko4
10-03-2007, 06:19 PM
Mine might be a bit different ... just seniors for me (too lazy to consider all possible juniors)

DE Maurice Murray, New Mexico State
NT Dre Moore, Maryland
DE Kendall Langford, Hampton

WLB Quentin Groves, Auburn
ILB Jonathan Goff, Vanderbilt
ILB Beau Bell, UNLV
SLB Greyson Gunheim, Washington

I absolutley love that list!

Moore, Langford, Groves, Goff and Bell are all personal faves

P-L
10-03-2007, 06:33 PM
DE: Tyson Jackson, LSU
NT: Terrence Taylor, Michigan
DE: Chris Long, Virginia
WLB: Vernon Gholston
ILB: Jonathan Goff
ILB: Jasper Brinkley
SLB: Brian Cushing

toonsterwu
10-03-2007, 06:37 PM
Those definitely aren't the most talented players, but with Langford and Murray, I've got 2 guys around 300 pounds that move well and hold agains the run fairly well. Moore is a solid anchor in the run (and has played NT before). With Groves and Gunheim, I've got rangy guys who can really attack. Gunheim has struggled a bit this year, but I think moving him into space would take advantage of his athleticism. Goff and Bell both have good size and more than enough range/speed to help with the run inside, particularly their lateral movement.

That said, there's definitely several combinations that can be done and made a case for. I like the size I have up front and at the ILB spots, though, and the raw speed on the edges. I haven't given thought to corners, but I'd look for instinctual players, and I'd want a superbly rangy freesafety, and a strong safety that comes up well against the run.

Paranoidmoonduck
10-03-2007, 07:12 PM
I like it. But I would put James Laurinitis at WILB, I like the idea of having a ILB who can drop like a cover-2 ILB in the 3-4. It gives amazing potential to mix things up, I think this might be the reason that the Pats have Adalius at ILB

Difference between Laurinitis and Thomas is that the latter is huge and is quite adept at getting off blocks, something the former has yet to show a whole lot of skill in.

I agree about having a 'backer who can cover in the middle being a great option, but I think Laurinitis would get swallowed up by NFL offensive guards.

keylime_5
10-03-2007, 07:15 PM
Touche- Laurinaitis struggled coming off blocks last season...but this year he has mastered that skill. I was hoping to see some improvement from his this year against the run in that regard, but he improved beyond expectations (this is especially apparent in the Washington game). He's not Adalius Thomas or Brian Urlacher, but he looks a lot more like Hawk now that he can get off his blocks to make a tackle.

Tampa 2 4 life
10-03-2007, 07:17 PM
I think that this is the thread to mention George Selvie redshirted and is eligible to come out early if he really wanted to.

Sniper
10-03-2007, 07:18 PM
Touche- Laurinaitis struggled coming off blocks last season...but this year he has mastered that skill. I was hoping to see some improvement from his this year against the run in that regard, but he improved beyond expectations (this is especially apparent in the Washington game). He's not Adalius Thomas or Brian Urlacher, but he looks a lot more like Hawk now that he can get off his blocks to make a tackle.

To be honest, he hasn't played any really good teams though. That's not James' fault, but I want to see him against better blocking teams. I really like every aspect of his game except for his going against blockers fault though.

D-Unit
10-03-2007, 08:32 PM
To be honest, he hasn't played any really good teams though. That's not James' fault, but I want to see him against better blocking teams. I really like every aspect of his game except for his going against blockers fault though.
Well Washington almost beat USC last week, so I dunno if I'd call the competition bad.

TACKLE
10-03-2007, 09:04 PM
DE - Chris Long, Virginia
NT - Glen Dorsey, LSU
DE - Kendall Langford, Hampton

OLB - Quentin Groves, Auburn
ILB - Rey Maualuga, USC
ILB - Keith Rivers, USC
OLB - Vernon Gholston, Ohio State

toonsterwu
10-03-2007, 09:55 PM
I really haven't caught much of Tulane this year. Anyone who has ... I'm curious how Frank Morton is doing? Seems like a potential 3-4 NT.

genom
10-03-2007, 10:10 PM
Is there any chance Raji declares?

SenorGato
10-03-2007, 11:03 PM
RDE: Tyson Jackson
NT: Terrence Taylor
LDE: Dre Moore

That D-line...:drool:

ROLB: Quentin Groves
ILB: Brinkley
ILB: Rey M.
LOLB: Vernon Gholston

Holy sh*t this D would destroy...

darnik44two
10-03-2007, 11:15 PM
Is there any chance Raji declares?

I'd have to think he certainly will. Apparently school is not his thing...

YAYareaRB
10-03-2007, 11:16 PM
DE: Calais Campbell
NT: BJ Rajii
DE: Tyson Jackson

OLB: George Selvie
MLB: Rey Maualuga
MLB: Ali Highsmith
OLB: Quentin Groves

You get excellent pass rush from either outside backer and strong support in the middle. I tried to take a different approach but I couldn't leave Maualuga off, he's too much of a beast. Tyson Jackson and Calais Campbell provide bulk and size at DE. BJ Rajji's size alone should clog up holes.

SenorGato
10-03-2007, 11:31 PM
If I can put Selvie in, put him in over Groves.

Sniper
10-03-2007, 11:43 PM
Well Washington almost beat USC last week, so I dunno if I'd call the competition bad.

They're mediocre. USC played a bad game. Youngstown State, Minnesota and Akron aren't exactly lighting the world up.

Crow
10-04-2007, 07:13 AM
Both already have experience dropping, and in Groves case he has experience in at OLB in both a 3-4 and 4-3 so both have that above the other DEs converting to 3-4 OLB. Both are also very good athletes so they fit the mold. They're not gonna be monster coverage guys, but they'd be rushing the passer more times than not anyway.
Very rarely do you hear anyone make reference to LT's or Shawn Merriman's coverage prowess.

Mr. Stiller
10-04-2007, 09:49 PM
LDE: Jason Shirley, Fresno State
NT: Terrance Taylor, Michigan
RDE: DeMonte' Bolden, Tennessee
Utility DL: Dre Moore, Maryland

LOLB: Philip Merling, Clemson
LILB: Brian Cushing, Southern California
RILB: Erin Henderson, Maryland
ROLB: Vernon Gholston, Ohio State

Utility OLB: Lawrence Wilson, Ohio State
Utility ILB: Beau Bell, UNLV

soxscout
10-05-2007, 12:09 PM
Just my opinion... but Dan Connor is too small to be an 3-4 ILB... at least in a Belichick 3-4. I fully expect Laurinaitis to be a Patriot next year.

Sniper
10-05-2007, 01:31 PM
Just my opinion... but Dan Connor is too small to be an 3-4 ILB... at least in a Belichick 3-4. I fully expect Laurinaitis to be a Patriot next year.

I really don't expect him to leave Ohio State early. Laurinaitis is listed at 245 and Connor at 235. You don't think Connor could add 10 pounds? Laurinaitis needs to shed his blocks better, then he'll be a complete LB. I don't too many of the knocks on Connor, what are they?

robert_in_bigd
10-05-2007, 04:46 PM
If I can put Selvie in, put him in over Groves.

Selvie looks to be the best 3-4 WOLB I have seen in some time.

Dunno if he can cover but damn can he rush the passer.

robert_in_bigd
10-05-2007, 04:53 PM
I really don't expect him to leave Ohio State early. Laurinaitis is listed at 245 and Connor at 235. You don't think Connor could add 10 pounds? Laurinaitis needs to shed his blocks better, then he'll be a complete LB. I don't too many of the knocks on Connor, what are they?

Funny your Breaston comment, I had written Breaston was a poor man Ginn and just as good returning sh**t.

Ginn, to me, was pure hype. Breaston had a good a career at UoM but never got totally on track as a WR to get the same hype.

YAYareaRB
10-07-2007, 10:29 AM
Selvie looks to be the best 3-4 WOLB I have seen in some time.

Dunno if he can cover but damn can he rush the passer.

If Manny Lawson can cover.. Selvie can cover.