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gstock05
10-09-2007, 11:55 AM
I love it. Finally Charlie is getting attacked by the media for being the arrogant foul-mouthed a-hole that he is. Is it any surprise that so many of his stud recruits have already transferred out from ND?

The link is currently down, but it's from the boston herald.

Here's what NFL Hall of Famer Bob Kuechenberg has to say about Weis...



“This man has not been a good ... human being might be a little bit broad ... but this man has not been good to anybody who came to Notre Dame. Within the Notre Dame family, when former All-American players say to a man that this guy’s an (expletive), and for no reason, to me it’s karma that he’s getting his ass handed to him.”


“In the face of all of those embarrassments, to then have Charlie Weis back out on you a couple of weeks into his career would have been really embarrassing, which is probably why they succumbed to that type of blackmail,” Kuechenberg said. “It’s the mark of the man. I can see after a couple of years to say let’s talk about an extension. But right away? It’s karmic justice that Charlie Weis is getting what he deserves for his actions"

“I was up there two weeks ago for the Michigan State game,” Kuechenberg said. “He has insulted people. It doesn’t matter if you’re an ex-football player, a regular alumni, what have you. He’s been abusive and totally, unnecessarily arrogant to the Notre Dame family itself and it’s all coming back in his lap.

“I’ve yet to meet the man, and frankly I hope I never do. There’s nothing about his image that I have any respect for. I don’t know Charlie personally, but his image is wide enough and consistent enough from sources I hold in high regard. These are good friends of mine and it’s the same broken record. This guy is an ogre.


“He’s been rude to them, curt and abrasive. The Notre Dame student-athlete is held to a higher standard, so what’s with the coach? Hello -- you’re the leader. Act like one.”

Jughead10
10-09-2007, 12:00 PM
I love it. Finally Charlie is getting attacked by the media for being the arrogant foul-mouthed a-hole that he is. Is it any surprise that so many of his stud recruits have already transferred out from ND?


What stud recruits do you refer to?

"I've yet to meet the man". So he's going off hearsay?

TPFKA#1SaintsFan
10-09-2007, 12:01 PM
I'm so glad to see ND struggling so bad under Weis... not because I hate Weis or ND (because I really don't) but because Ty Willingham never should have been fired. They're getting what they deserve right now.

OhioState
10-09-2007, 05:27 PM
i hate charlie weis and am glad that others are seeing that he is such a *** as well

Jughead10
10-09-2007, 06:26 PM
These excerpts from the article do a really poor job of explaining any reasoning at all for making Weis out to be a bad person.

gstock05
10-09-2007, 06:42 PM
What stud recruits do you refer to?

"I've yet to meet the man". So he's going off hearsay?

I've heard a lot of the same too about charlie. Where theres smoke, theres fire. Too many people have said he's an arrogant foul mouthed ass for it not to be true to an extent. It's not hard to see him swearing his mouth off at every opportunity.


Recruits who have left ND?

Demetrius Jones, Konrad Reuland, Zach Frazier, Darius Walker leaving early (heard weis was a big part of this), Chris Stewart leaving the team, not to mention the plethora of recruits who switched verbals in last year's recruiting class.

gstock05
10-09-2007, 06:43 PM
heres the link to the full article

http://bostonherald.com/sports/college/football/view.bg?articleid=1036905

bearsfan_51
10-09-2007, 06:46 PM
Only Notre Dame would give a crap what someone completely unaffiliated with the program has to say about its current coach.

ltisno1#2
10-09-2007, 08:56 PM
I've heard a lot of the same too about charlie. Where theres smoke, theres fire. Too many people have said he's an arrogant foul mouthed ass for it not to be true to an extent. It's not hard to see him swearing his mouth off at every opportunity.


Recruits who have left ND?

Demetrius Jones, Konrad Reuland, Zach Frazier, Darius Walker leaving early (heard weis was a big part of this), Chris Stewart leaving the team, not to mention the plethora of recruits who switched verbals in last year's recruiting class.

well reuland left cause he was burried on the depth chart, and fraizer and jones were never going to start, and chris stewart came back to the team. That only leaves Walker and I heard he had some problems with some of the staff I know he got into an argument with one of the coaches about one of the drills they had to do, so walker was the only one that I heard that had big problems with the staff.

BrownsTown
10-09-2007, 09:49 PM
Who cares if he's an a-hole, you can't argue with those great results. 1-5...tell me that's not worth a jerkass coach.

LonghornsLegend
10-09-2007, 10:31 PM
If Ty ever had a year like this, he would of been out of there before the season was over good...Weiss was winning with willingham's players, why is it that when his players are coming into starting roles he hasnt done anything with it? He will probably get a free pass for some time for it though

Jughead10
10-09-2007, 10:54 PM
If Ty ever had a year like this, he would of been out of there before the season was over good...Weiss was winning with willingham's players, why is it that when his players are coming into starting roles he hasnt done anything with it? He will probably get a free pass for some time for it though

The classes Weis brought in were much more highly regarded than anything Ty brought in. All scouting services agree their in no denying that. Right now what you have is the back end of Ty's recruits, which were bad, and Charlie's first recruiting class. Weis' first class was bad as well because he had about two weeks to put it together since he was too busy helping the Pats win a Super Bowl. All the good recruits on this team are freshmen and sophmores from Weis's second and third recruiting class. Thats why they aren't winning.

As for players transferring, like someone said before, any player who transferred basically was buried on the depth chart because of better recruits Charlie brought in. And Charlie never had anything but great things to say about Walker. Maybe too great and it got to his head. As a sophmore Weis said that Walker could play in the NFL right now in a role like Kevin Faulk on the Pats.

RyanLeaf#1
10-10-2007, 06:52 AM
I'm so glad to see ND struggling so bad under Weis... not because I hate Weis or ND (because I really don't) but because Ty Willingham never should have been fired. They're getting what they deserve right now.

Well enjoy it now because with all the recruits he has coming in its not going to last. Our record is what it is because we have all young players right now. Any school would be going through what Notre Dame is if they had the same schedule and the same young talent. So enjoy saying its Charlies fault now because in a couple of years when we are back on top you'll be able to blame that on Charlie too.

RyanLeaf#1
10-10-2007, 06:54 AM
Only Notre Dame would give a crap what someone completely unaffiliated with the program has to say about its current coach.

Notre Dame doesnt care obviously the Boston Herald does since they put it in their paper. Do you think Notre Dame would have signed Weis to a 10 year contract if they didnt like the guy?.... I dont think so.

vatech=accdomination
10-10-2007, 07:05 AM
Weis is an arrogant man, he is getting what he deserves.

RyanLeaf#1
10-10-2007, 07:07 AM
Weis is an arrogant man, he is getting what he deserves.

And what exactly is he getting?... a 10 year contract... The #1 recruiting class...What else can you ask for if your a college coach?

vatech=accdomination
10-10-2007, 07:42 AM
a 1-5 team with not much to work with, freshman everywhere, a bad offensive line, a lackluster defense and not too much to look forward to. big name recruits dont mean anything if you cant develop the talent to win, he needs to go watch pete carroll and find out how to utilize freshman athletes effectively.

RyanLeaf#1
10-10-2007, 07:48 AM
a 1-5 team with not much to work with, freshman everywhere, a bad offensive line, a lackluster defense and not too much to look forward to. big name recruits dont mean anything if you cant develop the talent to win, he needs to go watch pete carroll and find out how to utilize freshman athletes effectively.

Are you really going to compare right now what Pete Carroll has to work with to what Charlie Weis has to work with? They use their freshman different because USC right now has depth.... In 2-3 years Notre Dame will be a National Championship contender.

vatech=accdomination
10-10-2007, 07:52 AM
im gonna have to disagree with you there. jimmy clausen is junk.

Jughead10
10-10-2007, 07:53 AM
a 1-5 team with not much to work with, freshman everywhere, a bad offensive line, a lackluster defense and not too much to look forward to. big name recruits dont mean anything if you cant develop the talent to win, he needs to go watch pete carroll and find out how to utilize freshman athletes effectively.

The difference is a team with talent all around can work freshmen into the mix and have them produce. But a team of all freshmen and sophmores is just asking for trouble. Teams like Michigan and Va Tech can work in freshmen Qbs when you have upper classmen and senior leadership all around them.

RyanLeaf#1
10-10-2007, 08:24 AM
im gonna have to disagree with you there. jimmy clausen is junk.

Jimmy Clausen is not junk... How about he is a true freshman, and guess what. We have the #20 recruit in Qb Dayne Crist already committed to Notre Dame. Jimmy will be the 4 year starter, but when hes done Dayne will take over. This is a down year because we have all young talent.

Jughead10
10-10-2007, 08:28 AM
Jimmy Clausen is junk... How about he is a true freshman, and guess what. We have the #20 recruit in Qb Dayne Crist already committed to Notre Dame. Jimmy will be the 4 year starter, but when hes done Dayne will take over. This is a down year because we have all young talent.

Ty would have never been able to bring these kids out of California.

RyanLeaf#1
10-10-2007, 08:31 AM
Ty would have never been able to bring these kids out of California.

Never. Weis is doing a great job recruiting.

JayP
10-10-2007, 01:11 PM
Ty would have never been able to bring these kids out of California.

Ty would have been sitting in their living rooms for 14 hours telling them how great the golfing was in South Bend.

Borat
10-10-2007, 02:02 PM
Man, there is a lot of hate of Notre Dame. I'm not exactly sure why people hate that school so much, but I know in a couple of years when Weis gets things straightened out and they're competing for a national title, that the hate will be intensified.

RyanLeaf#1
10-10-2007, 02:04 PM
Man, there is a lot of hate of Notre Dame. I'm not exactly sure why people hate that school so much, but I know in a couple of years when Weis gets things straightened out and they're competing for a national title, that the hate will be intensified.

Words of a genius.

ShutDwn
10-10-2007, 04:16 PM
The team is filled with inexperienced players who will only gain experience and most likely end up kicking major ass before they leave.

The article is awful and I don't see any evidence as to why he is a bad person in it. Sounds like a tough coach.

Addict
10-10-2007, 04:38 PM
Words of a genius.

? I wasn't in this thread!

RyanLeaf#1
10-10-2007, 05:37 PM
? I wasn't in this thread!

Well you are now.... How could I forget about you?

gstock05
10-10-2007, 10:16 PM
People hate Notre Dame because of the mobs of fans who don't care anything about the school, but root for them because they're Irish or Catholic.

People hate Notre Dame for the arrogance to be an independent.

People hate Notre Dame because they're media whores and get superior placement for Bowl games.

People hate Notre Dame because they get more votes in the ap polls due to bias when they're obviously a bad team (see last year).

Jughead10
10-10-2007, 10:34 PM
If this guy is so concerned with what Weis is doing in South Bend, why wasn't it printed in a Boston newspaper prior to the week they are playing BC?

JeffSamardzijaIRISH
10-11-2007, 06:12 PM
I know Charlie Weis is really mean, but I don't think he runs around shouting swear words to random people...

gstock05
10-13-2007, 12:32 AM
Another Notre Dame transfer is about to happen.

Not only is it from one of Chuck's recruits, but it's one of his starting offensive linemen in Cretin Derham highly rated offensive lineman Matt Carufel.

Where theres smoke, theres fire....

Jughead10
10-15-2007, 07:39 AM
Another Notre Dame transfer is about to happen.

Not only is it from one of Chuck's recruits, but it's one of his starting offensive linemen in Cretin Derham highly rated offensive lineman Matt Carufel.

Where theres smoke, theres fire....

Carufel is a borderline starter. As for being highly rated, I guess. Charlie gets 10-12 guys rated that highly every year now.

RyanLeaf#1
10-16-2007, 01:32 PM
Im pretty excited about this finally Sharpley gets his chance:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3066031

Jughead10
10-16-2007, 01:37 PM
Im pretty excited about this finally Sharpley gets his chance:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3066031

Sharpley needs to start the rest of the year. Can't play musical chairs with the QBs. Jimmy seems to take it well from the way he looks on the sidelines.

RyanLeaf#1
10-16-2007, 01:44 PM
Sharpley needs to start the rest of the year. Can't play musical chairs with the QBs. Jimmy seems to take it well from the way he looks on the sidelines.

Jimmy might have some problems in the future with Dayne Crist coming in.

LonghornsLegend
10-16-2007, 04:05 PM
Clausen is back to being benched?? I dont like it, you need to figure out which qb is better in the spring and live and die with him, you can change once, but what happens if Sharpley loses horribly in 2 games, does clausen come back to close the year?? Well at least they won one game, Navy is going to run through them

RyanLeaf#1
10-16-2007, 04:36 PM
Clausen is back to being benched?? I dont like it, you need to figure out which qb is better in the spring and live and die with him, you can change once, but what happens if Sharpley loses horribly in 2 games, does clausen come back to close the year?? Well at least they won one game, Navy is going to run through them

I sure hope Navy dont run through them.

RyanLeaf#1
10-16-2007, 08:37 PM
This game this Saturday might be closer then people think. Look at USC's injury list:

QB's
JD Booty (All Pac-10) = out

RB's
Stafon Johnson (starter) = out
CJ Gable (starter) = out for season
Broderick Green = out
Marc Tyler = out for season
Emmanuel Moody = transferred

WR
Travon Patterson = out for season
Jamere Holland = transferred

OL
Sam Baker (2-time All-American) = out
Chilo Rachal (All Pac-10) = out
Kris O'Dowd (starter) = out
Tiny Malu = out
Zach Heberer = out
Charles Brown = out
Thomas Herring = out
Nick Howell = out for season

LB's
Brian Cushing (All Pac-10) = out
Rey Maulaluga (All Pac-10) = out
Chris Galippo = out for season

DB's
Josh Pinkard (starter) = out for season
Kevin Thomas = out for season
Shareece Wright (CB) = out

Sniper
10-16-2007, 08:42 PM
This game this Saturday might be closer then people think. Look at USC's injury list:

QB's
JD Booty (All Pac-10) = out

RB's
Stafon Johnson (starter) = out
CJ Gable (starter) = out for season
Broderick Green = out
Marc Tyler = out for season
Emmanuel Moody = transferred

WR
Travon Patterson = out for season
Jamere Holland = transferred

OL
Sam Baker (2-time All-American) = out
Chilo Rachal (All Pac-10) = out
Kris O'Dowd (starter) = out
Tiny Malu = out
Zach Heberer = out
Charles Brown = out
Thomas Herring = out
Nick Howell = out for season

LB's
Brian Cushing (All Pac-10) = out
Rey Maulaluga (All Pac-10) = out
Chris Galippo = out for season

DB's
Josh Pinkard (starter) = out for season
Kevin Thomas = out for season
Shareece Wright (CB) = out

Oh no, all the other Parade All-Americans will have to take over. I think USC still wins comfortably, considering ND still can't score.

neko4
10-16-2007, 08:43 PM
Theyve got all those damn RB's and most of em are hurt, thats crazy

Jughead10
10-16-2007, 09:04 PM
ND + 17.5. Lock it up. Gonna cover 4 weeks in a row.

RyanLeaf#1
10-16-2007, 09:06 PM
ND + 17.5. Lock it up. Gonna cover 4 weeks in a row.

The line has already moved 3 points.

Jughead10
10-16-2007, 09:07 PM
The line has already moved 3 points.

What is it now. I just got it at 17.5 five minutes ago.

RyanLeaf#1
10-16-2007, 09:11 PM
What is it now. I just got it at 17.5 five minutes ago.

It opened at 20.5

Jughead10
10-16-2007, 09:13 PM
It opened at 20.5

Damnit. I obviously wish I would have gotten that.

RyanLeaf#1
10-16-2007, 09:15 PM
Damnit. I obviously wish I would have gotten that.

You aint kiddin. Did you watch the E:60 show tonight on ESPN?

Jughead10
10-16-2007, 09:18 PM
Nope. What was it about?

As for the line. I was leaning towards taking ND +17.5 when I knew Sanchez was starting especially after being unimpressive against Zona. Knew nothing about all those other injuries.

RyanLeaf#1
10-16-2007, 09:22 PM
Nope. What was it about?

As for the line. I was leaning towards taking ND +17.5 when I knew Sanchez was starting especially after being unimpressive against Zona. Knew nothing about all those other injuries.

Goto the E:60 subject in the off topic threads. Its a new show and tonight part of it was on this handicapper. Everytime he released a pick on his website every Vegas sportsbook shut down so they could adjust their lines to his plays. Last year every time he released a play 5 million extra dollars were being played on them games and Vegas was getting crushed.

StaticGator
10-18-2007, 08:01 AM
Ty would have never been able to bring these kids out of California.

You mean Ty was still expected to recruit big time players after 412 Notre Dame alumni drafted a letter expressing their discontent with the program after Willingham had barely been there two years? I'm sure USC, Michigan, Ohio State, and the other big programs wouldn't use that for negative recruiting.

Wyndham
10-25-2007, 05:35 PM
ND + 17.5. Lock it up. Gonna cover 4 weeks in a row.

I hope you didn't throw away the key.