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eagleseye
02-03-2007, 09:17 AM
Just curious to see who people are projecting to be more productive over the course of their careers.

02-03-2007, 09:19 AM
I'd say Whitner.

jag
02-03-2007, 09:22 AM
I like Collins athletic ability, so I'd go Collins.

bearsfan_51
02-03-2007, 10:06 AM
Easily Whitner. Collins isn't as good as Packers fans believe. I thought this season would have shown that.

Not to mention Whitner is was a top 10 pick and Collins was a 2nd rounder. Obviously that doesn't always make or break, but it is an indication of what each player's cielings are.

comahan
02-03-2007, 10:10 AM
Donte

remix 6
02-03-2007, 10:11 AM
Easily Whitner. Collins isn't as good as Packers fans believe. I thought this season would have shown that.

Not to mention Whitner is was a top 10 pick and Collins was a 2nd rounder. Obviously that doesn't always make or break, but it is an indication of what each player's cielings are.

what difference does it make where u get picked? Steve Smith was a 2nd round WR..David Terrell was 8th overall pick

whos on a team right now and whos doing better? Exactly.

doesnt matter what round you get picked..hes asking whos going to be more productive and i'll go with Whitner b/c i've seen more of him..plays good in the box and hes a smart defender.

HawkeyeFan
02-03-2007, 10:15 AM
Donte Whitner

bills_red
02-03-2007, 10:17 AM
Easily Whitner. Collins isn't as good as Packers fans believe. I thought this season would have shown that.

Not to mention Whitner is was a top 10 pick and Collins was a 2nd rounder. Obviously that doesn't always make or break, but it is an indication of what each player's cielings are.

what difference does it make where u get picked? Steve Smith was a 2nd round WR..David Terrell was 8th overall pick

whos on a team right now and whos doing better? Exactly.

doesnt matter what round you get picked..hes asking whos going to be more productive and i'll go with Whitner b/c i've seen more of him..plays good in the box and hes a smart defender.

If you looked waht he said. "Obviously that doesn't always make or break."

keylime_5
02-03-2007, 10:26 AM
I can see Whitner going to multiple pro bowls. Not sure that Collins will ever make 1

bearsfan_51
02-03-2007, 10:32 AM
Easily Whitner. Collins isn't as good as Packers fans believe. I thought this season would have shown that.

Not to mention Whitner is was a top 10 pick and Collins was a 2nd rounder. Obviously that doesn't always make or break, but it is an indication of what each player's cielings are.

what difference does it make where u get picked? Steve Smith was a 2nd round WR..David Terrell was 8th overall pick

whos on a team right now and whos doing better? Exactly.

doesnt matter what round you get picked..hes asking whos going to be more productive and i'll go with Whitner b/c i've seen more of him..plays good in the box and hes a smart defender.
Who's doing better now? Whitner.

And yes, as the Bills fan pointed out, I already said that. Considering both are very new to the league, however, you still have to take ceiling into account. One could actually argue that Collins has a higher ceiling based on athletic ability, but I don't see it.

BuffaloDraftGeek
02-03-2007, 10:36 AM
I like whitners versitility. He can line up at CB, he can play cover 2 (deep safeties), he can play in the box, and he play 1-deep, being the only deep safety, in a 4-4 scheme. Whitners also a playmaker with the ball in his hands. I haven't seen a lot of collins, but he wasn't impressive in the game against the bills.

doingthisinsteadofwork
02-03-2007, 11:09 AM
Huff.

P-L
02-03-2007, 11:13 AM
I'd wait until after next year to fairly judge them. While he was pretty good this year, Collins definately not the same player as he was last year. Whitner had the better 2006 season than Collins did. However, one could argue that Collins' rookie year was better than Whitner's rookie year. Everyone is saying Whitner because he had the better year, but if his play declines next year, it doesn't mean much.

Eaglez.Fan
02-03-2007, 11:14 AM
I'd take Whitner. Collins is good but I'd like to see him improve in coverage.

My bro voted for Collins so I could't vote

P-L
02-03-2007, 11:15 AM
I'd take Whitner. Collins is good but I'd like to see him improve in coverage.

My bro voted for Collins so I could't vote

Who is your bro?

02-03-2007, 11:16 AM
Huff.

Whitner outplayed him last year clearly.

Huff wasnt a bum though.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
02-03-2007, 11:16 AM
Easily Whitner. Collins isn't as good as Packers fans believe. I thought this season would have shown that.

Not to mention Whitner is was a top 10 pick and Collins was a 2nd rounder. Obviously that doesn't always make or break, but it is an indication of what each player's cielings are.

Are the same Packer fans who say Collins is awesome the same ones who say Woodson and Harris are awesome and their pass D only sucks because of bad safety play?

Cavalier17
02-03-2007, 11:19 AM
Whitner was phenomenal as a Rookie, and I expect him to get better. Collins isn't bad, but I like Whitner a lot.

Vince Lombardi
02-03-2007, 11:51 AM
Easily Whitner. Collins isn't as good as Packers fans believe. I thought this season would have shown that.

Not to mention Whitner is was a top 10 pick and Collins was a 2nd rounder. Obviously that doesn't always make or break, but it is an indication of what each player's cielings are.

Are the same Packer fans who say Collins is awesome the same ones who say Woodson and Harris are awesome and their pass D only sucks because of bad safety play?

Strong safety was clearly our weak point in the secondary, Marquand Manuel was awful and really struggled to return from his injury.

The entire defense got off to a slow start of the season because of the youth and inexperience but they all really picked up their play the second half of the season.

Eaglez.Fan
02-03-2007, 12:04 PM
I'd take Whitner. Collins is good but I'd like to see him improve in coverage.

My bro voted for Collins so I could't vote

Who is your bro?

He's a packers fan that goes on my account

AZ9er
02-03-2007, 12:13 PM
Whit

yourfavestoner
02-03-2007, 01:24 PM
Easily Whitner. Collins isn't as good as Packers fans believe. I thought this season would have shown that.

Not to mention Whitner is was a top 10 pick and Collins was a 2nd rounder. Obviously that doesn't always make or break, but it is an indication of what each player's cielings are.

Are the same Packer fans who say Collins is awesome the same ones who say Woodson and Harris are awesome and their pass D only sucks because of bad safety play?

:lol:

We had to hear all offseason about how Nick Collins and the rest of the current Packers are all sure fire Hall of Famers, but are just underrated right now. What did Collins do? Go out and stink the place up.

Empire
02-03-2007, 01:34 PM
Collins went into a Sophomore slump that so many players in the NFL do. Like so many other NFL players, this wasn't a good season to judge Collins on. I think next year will be a much better indication of Collins potential.

As for Whitner, I wouldn't be too surprised or worried if his play slips next year. I'm sure he'll have a Sophomore slump too next year.

I think the jury is still out on this decision and went be able to tell the 2008-2009 season which player will be better.

dcarey20
02-03-2007, 01:37 PM
Dawan Landry

ny10804
02-03-2007, 01:42 PM
Easily Whitner. Collins isn't as good as Packers fans believe. I thought this season would have shown that.

Not to mention Whitner is was a top 10 pick and Collins was a 2nd rounder. Obviously that doesn't always make or break, but it is an indication of what each player's cielings are.

Are the same Packer fans who say Collins is awesome the same ones who say Woodson and Harris are awesome and their pass D only sucks because of bad safety play?

:lol:

We had to hear all offseason about how Nick Collins and the rest of the current Packers are all sure fire Hall of Famers, but are just underrated right now. What did Collins do? Go out and stink the place up.

You should ask Sexy Rexy about that.


But seriously, Collins has all the physical tools to be a very good player. He has the speed of a corner (4.37 at combine, 4.34 pro day) and decent strenght (11 reps of 225). He makes big hits and can make some terrific reads, but the main problems he faces are mental -- ie playing in the wrong coverages. Whether or not he can overcome his mental problems remains to be seen, but if he can, he'll be a pro bowl caliber player.

Boston
02-03-2007, 01:43 PM
Easily Whitner. Collins isn't as good as Packers fans believe. I thought this season would have shown that.

Not to mention Whitner is was a top 10 pick and Collins was a 2nd rounder. Obviously that doesn't always make or break, but it is an indication of what each player's cielings are.

what difference does it make where u get picked? Steve Smith was a 2nd round WR..David Terrell was 8th overall pick

whos on a team right now and whos doing better? Exactly.

doesnt matter what round you get picked..hes asking whos going to be more productive and i'll go with Whitner b/c i've seen more of him..plays good in the box and hes a smart defender.
Who's doing better now? Whitner.

And yes, as the Bills fan pointed out, I already said that. Considering both are very new to the league, however, you still have to take ceiling into account. One could actually argue that Collins has a higher ceiling based on athletic ability, but I don't see it.

Well, you could also consider the schools each player came from.

Bethune-Cookman and Ohio St.

Vince Lombardi
02-03-2007, 01:52 PM
Easily Whitner. Collins isn't as good as Packers fans believe. I thought this season would have shown that.

Not to mention Whitner is was a top 10 pick and Collins was a 2nd rounder. Obviously that doesn't always make or break, but it is an indication of what each player's cielings are.

Are the same Packer fans who say Collins is awesome the same ones who say Woodson and Harris are awesome and their pass D only sucks because of bad safety play?

:lol:

We had to hear all offseason about how Nick Collins and the rest of the current Packers are all sure fire Hall of Famers, but are just underrated right now. What did Collins do? Go out and stink the place up.

I'm sure the fact that GB had 2 new starters in the secondary and a new defensive coordinator and coaching staff had nothing to do with it. :roll:

juve1325
02-03-2007, 04:41 PM
Easily Whitner. Collins isn't as good as Packers fans believe. I thought this season would have shown that.

Not to mention Whitner is was a top 10 pick and Collins was a 2nd rounder. Obviously that doesn't always make or break, but it is an indication of what each player's cielings are.

Are the same Packer fans who say Collins is awesome the same ones who say Woodson and Harris are awesome and their pass D only sucks because of bad safety play?

:lol:

We had to hear all offseason about how Nick Collins and the rest of the current Packers are all sure fire Hall of Famers, but are just underrated right now. What did Collins do? Go out and stink the place up.

I'm sure the fact that GB had 2 new starters in the secondary and a new defensive coordinator and coaching staff had nothing to do with it. :roll:
The Buffalo Bills had 2 rookie safeties in Simpson and Whitner (2 new starters in the secondary), and a whole new coaching staff (Mike Mularkey and Jerry Gray out, Dick Jauron and Perry Fewell in). So that should negate your point in this specific conversation.

Whitner has everything you could look for in a safety except for height (he is almost 5'11", not quite but very close to it). Whitner is fast, strong, good in coverage, good against the run, smart, athletic...there is a reason that he was picked #8 overall.

I am a Bills fan and I do like both Whitner and Collins, but at this point I think you have to say Whitner.


Afer reading the posts I find it strange that Collins even has as many votes as he does, but you could most certainly argue that Collins could have a better career than Whitner. I hope both stay healthy for their careers so we can find out the truth.

Nitschke-Hawk
02-03-2007, 04:47 PM
I can't say. Next year is Nick Collins year to establish himself, he had a great rookie year and this year we had alot of new starters on defense, so when linebackers or Marquand Manuel blew coverages it makes him look bad, I think if we had a guy who can play centerfield you'd see Collins abilities more, he's athletic as any safety in the league outside of Sean Taylor. The main reason I want a player like Landry is that it would help Collins so much. The problem with the Manuel/Collins combo is that they're the same type of player except Collins is far more athletic, Collins is also better in coverage than most people think.

Space Ghost
02-03-2007, 07:46 PM
More productive? Nick Collins because the Packers defense is always tackling people 20 yards down field in the secondary :lol: Just playing. I am not going to vote because I am a Bills fan and I am just going to say Whitner based off nothing.

niel89
02-04-2007, 03:33 AM
Dawan Landry
:wink:

detroit4life
02-04-2007, 10:56 AM
id say whitner but this poll should be redone after next year

toonsterwu
02-04-2007, 12:09 PM
Comparing 2 guys who are utilized in different ways isn't really ideal. I think Collins is going to be fine, perhaps one of the better free safeties in the game ... but in terms of more productive, I'll go with Whitner, as the way they use him in Buffalo makes it more conducive for him to put up bigger numbers.

TheChampIsHere
02-04-2007, 02:13 PM
Easily Whitner. Collins isn't as good as Packers fans believe. I thought this season would have shown that.

Not to mention Whitner is was a top 10 pick and Collins was a 2nd rounder. Obviously that doesn't always make or break, but it is an indication of what each player's cielings are.

that last part is very untrue, especially in this example. Collins was a 2nd rounder because he came from a nothing school (bethume-cookman I think?, id never heard of it either way), wheras Whittner went to OSU. The biggest reason for Whittner being picked so much higher than Collins was that he went to a better school, not talent level, and thats what indicates how high their ceilings are.

someone447
02-04-2007, 03:29 PM
I think they both have very high ceilings. You really need to wait 3 years to evaluate players anyway. If Collins returns to his rookie form, I think he will have a great career, probably better than Whitner. If his play continues to suffer, it obviously will be Whitner.

Go me, way to hedge my bets :-D.

The Legend
02-04-2007, 07:54 PM
Just curious to see who people are projecting to be more productive over the course of their careers.

nick

PackerFan20
02-04-2007, 08:28 PM
Collins and Darren Sharper have 2 things in common.
Both 2nd round picks
Both went to DIAA schools (Collins Bethune-Cookman, Sharper Will&Mary)

Jensen
02-04-2007, 08:28 PM
Whitner.

Big_Brother
02-05-2007, 02:04 AM
I voted Donte, but if Collins wouldn't have regressed this year it would have been much tougher... I expect them both to be solid players but at this point I'm giving Whit the nod.

princefielder28
02-05-2007, 10:03 AM
I don't know if people outside of Green Bay really realize what he brings to the table as a man that can step up in the run defense and he plays a pretty good safety in pass coverage.... I'm giving him the nod

tom
02-05-2007, 01:26 PM
Donte Whitner... Everybody thought he was over-rated last year, but was absolutely massive in his rookie year. He'll only get better.

someone447
02-05-2007, 02:57 PM
Donte Whitner... Everybody thought he was over-rated last year, but was absolutely massive in his rookie year. He'll only get better.

Collins had arguably a better rookie campaign.

jpapa4490
02-05-2007, 04:53 PM
I voted Collins but this should be redone 2 years from now.

Rex212
02-05-2007, 05:49 PM
Whitner.

bills_red
02-05-2007, 06:07 PM
Donte Whitner... Everybody thought he was over-rated last year, but was absolutely massive in his rookie year. He'll only get better.

Collins had arguably a better rookie campaign.

Looks like DW had a little better R year.


DW-105-T 1-INT
NC-86-T 1-INT

Caddy
02-05-2007, 07:11 PM
Whitner anyday of the week

TheChampIsHere
02-07-2007, 07:13 PM
Donte Whitner... Everybody thought he was over-rated last year, but was absolutely massive in his rookie year. He'll only get better.

Collins had arguably a better rookie campaign.

Looks like DW had a little better R year.


DW-105-T 1-INT
NC-86-T 1-INT

yeah that proves it :roll:

im not even disagreeing that Whittner had a better rookie year than Collins but having 20 more tackles proves absolutely nothing. You looked at 2 statisitcs and acted like that means something

Mr. Stiller
02-07-2007, 09:09 PM
Why are we comparing a SS and a FS in different schemes?


And by the way... Anthony Smith FTW!