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Jakey
10-14-2007, 07:08 AM
Who do you think is the most underrated/under appreciated player on your favourite team (or any other team for that matter)??? Try and give your explinations!

Smooth Criminal
10-14-2007, 07:12 AM
its easily Aaron smith for the steelers. He is a great d-lineman and gets very little credit just because he doesnt put up huge numbers.

scottyboy
10-14-2007, 07:16 AM
Any one on the Giants Oline, their supposed weak link entering the season...

remix 6
10-14-2007, 07:35 AM
id say Dan Koppen the Center

Matthew Jones
10-14-2007, 07:51 AM
For the Patriots, it seems like everyone has accepted that Wes Welker and their offensive line are very good players, so I'd say Jarvis Green. He's seemingly able to get almost a sack a game when he starts and no one notices that.

2007: 5 GS, 3.0 sacks
2006: 4 GS, 4.0 sacks

Modano
10-14-2007, 07:53 AM
For the Cowboys it's an hard choice... Maybe Greg Ellis...

OzTitan
10-14-2007, 08:03 AM
Michael Roos on the Titans - he has consistently made big name DE's disappear game after game. On D, I think KVB is underrated - not a sack artist but he is always making an impact.

619
10-14-2007, 08:18 AM
for the raiders either lamont jordan or nnamdi asomugha

21ST
10-14-2007, 08:19 AM
For the redskins its probly Andre Carter

619
10-14-2007, 08:21 AM
For the redskins its probly Andre Carter

this year yes but last season he was a bust

BufFan71
10-14-2007, 08:22 AM
Angelo Crowell

21ST
10-14-2007, 08:23 AM
this year yes but last season he was a bust

lol how was he a bust

TitanHope
10-14-2007, 08:29 AM
For the Titans, I'll go with Kevin Mawae since OzTitan took Roos. Mawae is a known name, but before he joined the Titans, the O-Line was in bad shape and old. I believe we had 3 players over 30, one rookie, and a horrid Center in Justin Hartwig.

We cut our LT Brad Hopkins, and Roos switched over from RT. Then we stuck a late round OT in David Stewart at RT. And then we had our two average guards who were both in their thirties. We also lost Hartwig to FA. We weren't looking good. Then Mawae was signed, and he took everyone under his wing. His experience and veteran leadership is a BIG reason why the Titans O-Line is so good. Out of the big free agents we signed at the beginning of '06, Mawae has helped the most. I think that along the O-Line, the Center and Left Tackle positions are most important with C being slightly more important than LT.

619
10-14-2007, 08:43 AM
lol how was he a bust

he didnt live up to that big contract in his first year..i personally didnt watch much of him last year but thats what i was hearing from ppl. part of the reason your teams defense was close to last in sacks i believe.

21ST
10-14-2007, 08:46 AM
he didnt live up to that big contract in his first year..i personally didnt watch much of him last year but thats what i was hearing from ppl. part of the reason your teams defense was close to last in sacks i believe.

Well you shouldnt speak on anything that you dont know.

Bills2083
10-14-2007, 08:52 AM
I'd say Angelo Crowell for the Bills.

Jensen
10-14-2007, 09:02 AM
Darnell Dockett and Karlos Dansby for the Cardinals.

NYGibril28
10-14-2007, 09:05 AM
Any one on the Giants Oline, their supposed weak link entering the season...

Great call, I was going to say the same thing.

Other players...

Kerry Rhodes, S, Jets
any FB in the NFL
Todd Heap, TE, Ravens

Jakey
10-14-2007, 09:14 AM
Darnell Dockett and Karlos Dansby for the Cardinals.

I agree about Darnell Dockett, that dudes' playing at an All-Pro level right now. I'd go as far as saying that he'd be up with Albert Haynesworth as one of the best 4-3 DT's in the league this year. But i doubt he'll be underrated for long.

Jakey
10-14-2007, 09:17 AM
Kerry Rhodes, S, Jets

I agree with that aswell, Rhodes is a beast.

PACKmanN
10-14-2007, 09:20 AM
For the Packers its Atari Bigby. Other teams I have to mention Demorrio Williams.

remix 6
10-14-2007, 09:20 AM
I agree with that aswell, Rhodes is a beast.

hes not underrated though. people know who he is and hes considered a top 5 safety by quiet a few people.

skinzzfan25
10-14-2007, 09:24 AM
Mike Sellers for the Redskins. Nasty run blocker, soft hands out of the backfield, good on converting short yard situations, lays the wood.

he didnt live up to that big contract in his first year..i personally didnt watch much of him last year but thats what i was hearing from ppl. part of the reason your teams defense was close to last in sacks i believe.

Andre Carter came on very strong at the last half of the year. He was playing similar to the way he is now. I wouldn't call him a bust at all.

BufFan71
10-14-2007, 09:26 AM
For the Packers its Atari Bigby. Other teams I have to mention Demorrio Williams.

he is a beast

Sniper
10-14-2007, 09:27 AM
For the Eagles, people still underrate Brian Westbrook (last year's Pro Bowl snub was a CRIME). But for someone you may know even less about, Omar Gaither is excellent. Second year MLB out of Tennessee we drafted in the sixth round, he's doing a great job as a leader. Jason Avant has also been our most consistent WR, and Juqua Thomas flies under the radar as well.

Sean Hern
10-14-2007, 09:46 AM
Andre Davis (ILB) for the Browns. All the guys does is make takles.

scottyboy
10-14-2007, 09:48 AM
Andre Davis (ILB) for the Browns. All the guys does is make takles.

ahh very nice call. Havent heard much about him in a while, guys a beast

Sniper
10-14-2007, 09:54 AM
ahh very nice call. Havent heard much about him in a while, guys a beast

Brian Leonard, Rams ;)

scottyboy
10-14-2007, 09:57 AM
Brian Leonard, Rams ;)

Can God be under rated?

I agree with your point with Westbrook. Some dont think as highly of him as they should. As a giants fan, he scares me whenever he plays against us

Sniper
10-14-2007, 10:01 AM
Can God be under rated?

I agree with your point with Westbrook. Some dont think as highly of him as they should. As a giants fan, he scares me whenever he plays against us

Yes, God can be underrated. Mike Hart still isn't being considered a legit Heisman contender by some, though Darren McFadden, he of the studly 43 yards on 17 carries last night and no TDs is.

Sorry, got a little O/T there. Westbrook is my NFL version of Mike Hart. The man can do no wrong. Always on the injury report, 99% of the time playing. Last year in the playoffs, Reid threw him back there for a PR just for shits and giggles and he brought it back for a TD negated by an accidental block in the back (Tank Daniels tripped). Gamebreaker indeed. Is there anyone in the NFL better in open space? Maybe LT?

throwback54milkman
10-14-2007, 10:12 AM
Jerricho Cotchery

Jonny
10-14-2007, 10:12 AM
David Diehl is good, but I'll go with Justin Tuck on the Giants. He's really good, yet is still a backup because he's behind Strahan.

The Great Jonathan Vilma
10-14-2007, 11:09 AM
Jerricho Cotchery

that's exactly who i was going to say. You never hear anyone talk about him anywhere, but this is his second season being very solid. I'd definitely say that he's underrated. Come to think of it, i don't think i've really ever heard anyone talk about him anywhere.

awfullyquiet
10-14-2007, 11:17 AM
Nnamdi Asomugha.
Yep. That's my pick for most underrated player in the league.

remix 6
10-14-2007, 11:25 AM
Andre Davis (ILB) for the Browns. All the guys does is make takles.

yeah. losing a ton of time to D'Qwell Jackson and Leon Williams.

hes coming off the bench..and his tackles are way behind line of scrimmage

BigDawg819
10-14-2007, 11:28 AM
Todd Heap, TE, Ravens

Todd Heap is not underrated, in fact he's a bit overrated. Him and Quinn Sypniewski by seasons end will basically be interchangeable.

Wootylicous
10-14-2007, 11:31 AM
I consider Nick Barnett underrated.

The Dynasty
10-14-2007, 11:39 AM
For the Vikings im going to Winfield. He doesnt get a lot of credit for what he does for us. He is a great tackler and hitter and can cover well.

BigDawg819
10-14-2007, 11:41 AM
For the Vikings im going to Winfield. He doesnt get a lot of credit for what he does for us. He is a great tackler and hitter and can cover well.

The problem with him is the Vikings are superior against the run and teams have to and have been able to pass on them.

Jakey
10-14-2007, 11:55 AM
I think for the Steelers my picks would be:

- Brett Keisel, gets a ton of pressure on the QB, moves like linebacker at 285lbs. Solid against the run and pass, but like most 3-4 DE's doesnt get allot of credit.

- Heath Miller, in the steelers offence he's never gonna put up massive numbers, but everything he gets asked to do he does well. He's a great blocker, he's a great target for Ben and he can even go deep (if needed). In my honest opinion, i think he's underrated.

SenorGato
10-14-2007, 12:48 PM
Jerricho Cotchery

QFT. Dude is Boldin-lite.

For other teams:

Karlos Dansby and Brandon Moore - Very similar players in the 3-4. You can play them outside or inside and they'll produce.

Kamerion Wimbley - I think Football Outsiders had him as one of the top run stoppers in the game. He also notched 11 sacks as a rookie. Will be a monster 3-4 DE/OLB.

The Vikings D - Theres no point in even trying to run on them.

Turtlepower
10-14-2007, 12:51 PM
David Diehl is good, but I'll go with Justin Tuck on the Giants. He's really good, yet is still a backup because he's behind Strahan.

I was just thinking of Tuck. I've seen so many mocks with us taking a DE on the first day, when we have our two DEs of the future in Kiwi and Tuck.

SuperKevin
10-14-2007, 12:52 PM
Jared Allen without a doubt. The guy is the hardest working DE in the NFL

Turtlepower
10-14-2007, 01:02 PM
Jared Allen without a doubt. The guy is the hardest working DE in the NFL

He should stop driving drunk. That's my biggest knock against him.

BuckNaked
10-14-2007, 01:04 PM
For the Vikings, without a doubt it is EJ Henderson. This guy gets no recognition and he does a very good job.

SenorGato
10-14-2007, 01:04 PM
I was just thinking of Tuck. I've seen so many mocks with us taking a DE on the first day, when we have our two DEs of the future in Kiwi and Tuck.

QFT.

The Giants are LOADED at DE. Tuck is the third best DE on the roster, but he'd be starting for the vast majority of 4-3 teams in the league.

BigDawg819
10-14-2007, 02:27 PM
Kelly Gregg, one of the best nose tackles in the game.

remix 6
10-14-2007, 02:48 PM
Kelly Gregg, one of the best nose tackles in the game.

1 of the best? Theres how many 3-4 Teams?
-Patriots
-Cowboys
-Ravens
-Jets
-Cardinals
-Steelers
-Browns
-Chargers

i would rank him behind: Williams, Wilfork, Hampton. that makes him 4th best NT..thats only better than half :\

i like him though..i wasnt intending to say anything negative but saying 1 of the best when only 1/4th of the league runs it and behind 3 superb players..eh

osi+ap=allshallperish
10-14-2007, 03:09 PM
Diehl just keeps playing well no matter where they put him.

Tuck, if not for his injury strahan couldn't use the retirement card for fear of tuck taking his job.

Barry Cofield, him and robbens aren't dominant and never will be but they do their jobs well despite being lighter DTs.

PoopSandwich
10-14-2007, 04:10 PM
Braylon Edwards/ Leigh Bodden / Josh Cribbs

Braylon is a god...

Leigh Bodden had one bad game, but has been solid in pretty much every other one (Wright has been picking it up as well.)

Josh Cribbs is just a beast.

PoopSandwich
10-14-2007, 04:11 PM
Andre Davis (ILB) for the Browns. All the guys does is make takles.

ANDRA Davis is the most OVERRATED player on the Browns...

BufFan71
10-14-2007, 04:17 PM
ANDRA Davis is the most OVERRATED player on the Browns...


yeah he is pretty overrated, once Leon williams becomes more consistant then he'll take over for Andra Davis

zCaddyz
10-14-2007, 04:20 PM
ike hillard= mr. 3rd down

sweetness34
10-14-2007, 04:32 PM
For the Bears, hmmmm.....I'd say Hunter Hillenmeyer or Brad Maynard.

ny10804
10-14-2007, 04:38 PM
Jared Allen without a doubt. The guy is the hardest working DE in the NFL

http://i.packers.com/pg/2007-10-14/photo13.jpg

That would be AK 74. :)

justin sandy
10-14-2007, 06:23 PM
scott players the most underrated player hes also the most overrated player

Chucky
10-14-2007, 06:25 PM
Jeff Garcia

never gets enough recognition,

justin sandy
10-14-2007, 07:11 PM
jamel white

The Unseen
10-14-2007, 07:31 PM
I think David Garrard could apply for the Jaguars this year, although it's more of an under-the-radar pick. He's yet to throw an interception, and has been accurate all season.

Wyndham
10-14-2007, 07:38 PM
People think Jared Allen is good. He's a lot better than good. 4.5 sacks (mostly against Bryant McKinnie and Levi Jones, pretty solid opposition), 3 FF in 3 games this year... but his best plays are those that don't show up on the stat-sheet.

bored of education
10-14-2007, 07:48 PM
Jared Allen by season end will be considered ELITE

SenorGato
10-14-2007, 11:51 PM
Jeff Garcia

never gets enough recognition,

Lol.

Garcia's been getting a media BJ weekly since he played well with the Eagles and TO called him ***.

BigDawg819
10-14-2007, 11:53 PM
I'm saying Devin Hester. No matter how many times he returns a kick they still kick to him and now he's been put on offense.

BrownsTown
10-14-2007, 11:55 PM
Chad Pennington, never gets the credit he deserves.

Shiver
10-14-2007, 11:56 PM
Chad Pennington, never gets the credit he deserves.

Are you kidding me? He should be on the bench. He has been shaky at best for the past three years and hasn't been very good since '02.

BrownsTown
10-14-2007, 11:59 PM
Are you kidding me? He should be on the bench. He hasn't been a good QB since '02.

He's got something like a 70% completion rate this year. Don't blame him because he's got no talent around him.

Shiver
10-15-2007, 12:01 AM
He's got something like a 70% completion rate this year. Don't blame him because he's got no talent around him.

So did David Carr last year. It's actually about the same thing; they both complete a ton of dump off passes and leading the team to field goals. His TD/INT ratio has been pathetic since '02. He has receivers that 3/4 of the league's Quarterbacks would kill to have. Lavernaues Coles and Jerricho Cotchery catch a ton of tough passes and bring down poorly throw passes all of the time.

Crazy_Chris
10-15-2007, 12:12 AM
I think David Garrard could apply for the Jaguars this year, although it's more of an under-the-radar pick. He's yet to throw an interception, and has been accurate all season.

David Garrad is playing excellent football i can't help but think why do i barely hear anyone speak about his season.

CC.SD
10-15-2007, 12:17 AM
Igor Olshansky is a beast.

Woody56
10-15-2007, 12:32 AM
D'Brickashaw Ferguson

He's not so much underrated but his great play this season is kinda flying under the radar. He took a lot of heat for an up and down rookie season, but this year the guy has been lights out in pass protection since week 2. He is showing why he was the 4th overall pick.

Don Vito
10-15-2007, 12:46 AM
Michael Boley LB ATL
Bart Scott LB BAL
Thomas Howard LB OAK
Logan Mankins OG NE
Owen Daniels TE HOU
Michael Roos LT TEN
Kyle Vanden Bosch DE TEN

neko4
10-15-2007, 12:49 AM
Um for the Packers
Driver- Cant really back it up right now cuz he's only had one 100yd game.
Jennings- Not many people know the name but he's played well.
Bigby- People will know him soon, especially since his name's Atari.
Kampman- Causual fans seemed suprised when I tell them he had 15.5 sacks last year.
No one really underated though except Driver.

BigDawg819
10-15-2007, 12:50 AM
Michael Boley LB ATL
Bart Scott LB BAL
Thomas Howard LB OAK
Logan Mankins OG NE
Owen Daniels TE HOU
Michael Roos LT TEN
Kyle Vanden Bosch DE TEN

No Bart is so far proving he may be overrated.

Geo
10-15-2007, 12:55 AM
D'Brickashaw Ferguson

He's not so much underrated but his great play this season is kinda flying under the radar. He took a lot of heat for an up and down rookie season, but this year the guy has been lights out in pass protection since week 2. He is showing why he was the 4th overall pick.
This is the second time soneone has brought up D/Brick in as many days, and again I ask how is his run-blocking this year?

Also, I could have sworn I saw Trent Cole soundly get the better of Ferguson at least once today when I flipped to the Eagles/Jets game.

BigDawg819
10-15-2007, 01:02 AM
This is the second time soneone has brought up D/Brick in as many days, and again I ask how is his run-blocking this year?

Also, I could have sworn I saw Trent Cole soundly get the better of Ferguson at least once today when I flipped to the Eagles/Jets game.

Not to mention a top 10 LT will never really be underrated, overrated yes (I'm looking right at Robert Gallery) but not underrated.

Flyboy
10-15-2007, 01:05 AM
Lance Moore.

And, yes, that is the homer in me coming out.

255979119
10-15-2007, 01:19 AM
How the hell did Derek Andersen not start week 1? From what it seems right now he could be the Browns future and not Quinn. I guess we will see by the years end....

Flyboy
10-15-2007, 01:22 AM
How the hell did Derek Andersen not start week 1? From what it seems right now he could be the Browns future and not Quinn. I guess we will see by the years end....

Derek Anderson is gonna end up getting the Kitna/Brees treatment.

255979119
10-15-2007, 01:27 AM
Derek Anderson is gonna end up getting the Kitna/Brees treatment.

/Flutie

I guess it is about who the guarunteed cash goes to eh?

no love
10-15-2007, 01:42 AM
I am going to throw out a crazy thought. Joey Harrington.

When given time and receivers who catch the ball, he has been MONEY. Unfortunately, he plays for Atlanta where the pass protection is non-existant and the poor route running of the wr's has been well documented. His running game has been absolutely terrible this year and the pass protection has been deplorable.

He played poorly against Minnesota, which was forgettable bc it was the first game of the year. And he also played poorly against a Tennessee D which has been playing lights out. But In 4/5 starts he has passed for over 60% and 200 yds (1 game of 199 but i'll throw that in there). Two games he has had 2 td's but it just hasn't been enough.

He was put in a really hard situation in Miami and Atlanta with only a short offseason to learn the offense and gel with his players amid a whirlwind of controversy (the whole Culpepper knee business and the Vick dog fighting)

Poor Joey has never been in a position to succeed in the NFL. He has only had 1 real number 1 wr receiver in his career and little help from the rest of his team. I don't think he will ever be elite, but damn, put him on a team with real talent and I bet this is the kind of guy who will put his team in position to win a lot of games. He really is not the bust people have made him out to be.

M.O.T.H.
10-15-2007, 01:47 AM
Do people even know who Bradie James is outside of Cowboys fans?

Flyboy
10-15-2007, 02:01 AM
/Flutie

I guess it is about who the guarunteed cash goes to eh?

Yep, yep. Just a matter of time really.

Flyboy
10-15-2007, 02:02 AM
Do people even know who Bradie James is outside of Cowboys fans?

Eh, I do. Then again I used to live in Texas so...

Dolfan2788
10-15-2007, 02:08 AM
For the Dolphins -

Vernon Carey

He's playing LT this year and is really a great run-blocking guy. He has also been great against the pass and is leading Ronnie Brown to a Pro-Bowl selection because we always run to that left side behind him.
Pretty much the same as last year when we ran predominantly behind him at RT.

Turtlepower
10-15-2007, 02:10 AM
I'd get blasted for saying Eli Manning is underrated. =D

no love
10-15-2007, 02:15 AM
QFT. Dude is Boldin-lite.

For other teams:

Karlos Dansby and Brandon Moore - Very similar players in the 3-4. You can play them outside or inside and they'll produce.

Kamerion Wimbley - I think Football Outsiders had him as one of the top run stoppers in the game. He also notched 11 sacks as a rookie. Will be a monster 3-4 DE/OLB.

The Vikings D - Theres no point in even trying to run on them.

Man I wish that Brandon Moore were the most underrated guy on the team. But I guess it doesn't matter much when Nolan doesn't even start him. The guy has spent waaay too much time riding the bench for a guy who has made as many big plays for us as he has.

Right now the 49ers most underrated player has to be Marques Douglas. He has been the best player on the d-line and one of the best players on this team and hardly even gets mentioned.

That and Andy Lee, but how much props can you really give to a punter. In 5 games he has 36 punts for an average of 50.1 !!!! He is our best offensive and defense weapon. Plus returners are averaging a measly 4.5 yds per return. Statistically he is THE BEST punter in the NFL right now. Too bad he's a punter...

BlindSite
10-15-2007, 02:48 AM
Thomas Davis, does well against elite backs and never gets any recognition.

fenikz
10-15-2007, 02:50 AM
Antonio Smith DE Cardinals

He may not of been a high draft pick like Watson or Branch and he doesn't have big name like Berry or Dockett but he may be the most improtant part of our D-Line 4-3 or 3-4

Woody56
10-15-2007, 03:40 AM
This is the second time soneone has brought up D/Brick in as many days, and again I ask how is his run-blocking this year?

Also, I could have sworn I saw Trent Cole soundly get the better of Ferguson at least once today when I flipped to the Eagles/Jets game.

His run blocking is improved from last season, he's never going to be Willie Roaf, but he does a good job of staying on his blocks and sealing the defender off. And no Trent Cole was invisible for most the game, he got a sack, but it was a one on one with TE Sean Ryan.

The Legend
10-15-2007, 03:48 AM
Nick Barnett

Kelly Greg

Jughead10
10-15-2007, 08:18 AM
I agree with the Giants O-line. For the past three years it has been a top 10 unit in the league. They have lapses in pass protection in certain games every now and then, and people don't forget about that game in Seattle with all the false starts. I think that tarnishes peoples opinion about them. Although most of the problems there came from now departed Luke Petittgout. It has always been one of the best run blocking units in the league which is why myself and other Giants fans didn't worry as much about losing Tiki Barber. I'm not sure if there is a better right side for run blocking than Chris Snee and Kareem McKenzie. Derrick Ward does have 400+ on the ground through 5 games, and Brandon Jacobs rushed for over 100 in the one full game since being back.

Sniper
10-15-2007, 08:28 AM
Do people even know who Bradie James is outside of Cowboys fans?

I was actually thinking of him when I thought of NFC East underrated players. He looked pretty decent when I especially watched him today. I think at one point he matched up against Watson and blanketed him. He looked pretty good.

JagHombre22
10-15-2007, 08:57 AM
it's Dennis Northcutt for the Jags...he's their leading receiver, he's been very reliable this season and he's got sure hands...not flashy, not really all that fast....he just gets the job done...

tylerb929
10-15-2007, 09:41 AM
For the Colts:

I'm gonna say Marlin Jackson or Tony Ugoh. Marlin Jackson is leading all CBs in tackles (averaging 6.2 solo and 2.4 assisted per game) and is completely shutting down recievers (he hasn't let a WR get over 60 yards, and the Colts are 3rd against the pass). Tony Ugoh is a rookie playing LT and has held his own with little to no help. He's only give up 1 sack and that was to Kyle Vander Bosch on a play where he gave the QB plenty of time to throw. He's getting down field on run blocks and is playing like a top 10 tackle in the league, surprisingly Tarik Glenn has not been missed (thank you Howard Mudd).

bored of education
10-15-2007, 09:44 AM
Jarred Allen.

Jughead10
10-15-2007, 09:49 AM
For the Colts:

I'm gonna say Marlin Jackson or Tony Ugoh. Marlin Jackson is leading all CBs in tackles (averaging 6.2 solo and 2.4 assisted per game) and is completely shutting down recievers (he hasn't let a WR get over 60 yards, and the Colts are 3rd against the pass). Tony Ugoh is a rookie playing LT and has held his own with little to no help. He's only give up 1 sack and that was to Kyle Vander Bosch on a play where he gave the QB plenty of time to throw. He's getting down field on run blocks and is playing like a top 10 tackle in the league, surprisingly Tarik Glenn has not been missed (thank you Howard Mudd).

Ugoh is going to be great, bottom line. As for Jackson, while much better, leading CBs in tackles isn't a great thing. By nature of the scheme, Tampa 2 CBs play consistently closer to the line of scrimmage, naturally they are going to make more tackles. Also the majority of the time the safeties are responsible for deep routes, so the fact that no WR is over 60 yards can be more attributed to other people as well.

princefielder28
10-15-2007, 09:50 AM
Cullen Jenkins

PoopSandwich
10-15-2007, 09:58 AM
it's Dennis Northcutt for the Jags...he's their leading receiver, he's been very reliable this season and he's got sure hands...not flashy, not really all that fast....he just gets the job done...

Dennis Dropcutt is terrible at everything that doesn't involve punt returns.

Sniper
10-15-2007, 10:00 AM
Ugoh is going to be great, bottom line. As for Jackson, while much better, leading CBs in tackles isn't a great thing. By nature of the scheme, Tampa 2 CBs play consistently closer to the line of scrimmage, naturally they are going to make more tackles. Also the majority of the time the safeties are responsible for deep routes, so the fact that no WR is over 60 yards can be more attributed to other people as well.

Yes, but Marlin Jackson still rules. Of course, only a Michigan player would be able to derail the Pats last year (actually, two did. Brady and Jackson) ;)

osi+ap=allshallperish
10-15-2007, 10:03 AM
Derek Anderson is most certainly not over rated he is easily the worst decision maker who gets any credit. His accuracy is sub par as well, sure he's tall and moves well with a cannon but that isn't enough to get it done in the NFL.

PoopSandwich
10-15-2007, 10:04 AM
Derek Anderson is most certainly not over rated he is easily the worst decision maker who gets any credit. His accuracy is sub par as well, sure he's tall and moves well with a cannon but that isn't enough to get it done in the NFL.

Hes not overrated then you say he sucks?

osi+ap=allshallperish
10-15-2007, 10:08 AM
Hes not overrated then you say he sucks?

Yep, if quinn develops at all there won't even be a battle for the job this summer.

Sniper
10-15-2007, 10:18 AM
Yep, if quinn develops at all there won't even be a battle for the job this summer.

Um, if Anderson keeps playing the way he is, there most certainly will be a battle.

Freddy G
10-15-2007, 10:20 AM
Steve Heiden is the best TE no one knows about. Acutually, i am pretty sure he could start for half (if not more) of the teams in the NFL.

Cleveland definitely has the best TE corps that i can think of.

osi+ap=allshallperish
10-15-2007, 10:29 AM
Um, if Anderson keeps playing the way he is, there most certainly will be a battle.

Nope because if he keeps playing the way he is now his stats will become much worse and Quinn will need to just prove he's not an idiot to win the job. Anderson makes terrible decisions and has been getting away with it because he's got a big arm and is throwing to braylon and kw2

swagger
10-15-2007, 10:33 AM
Ej Henderson

Antoine Winfield

Nick Barnett

Aaron Kampman

The Unseen
10-15-2007, 10:36 AM
Dennis Dropcutt is terrible at everything that doesn't involve punt returns.

If you had actually watched any Jaguars games, you would know that Dropcutt has done a very good job as a receiver and has done almost nothing as a punt returner.

portermvp84
10-15-2007, 10:39 AM
Raiders

Justin Fargas, for awhile I thought he was a bust. Now he's starting to mold into a good back.

Jakey
10-15-2007, 11:49 AM
If you had actually watched any Jaguars games, you would know that Dropcutt has done a very good job as a receiver and has done almost nothing as a punt returner.

Last year Steelers/browns, Northcutt got hit hard on one play, then he dropped or shyed away from every single play that went in his direction for the rest of the game. The browns had a chance to win that game, and probably could have if he would have stopped being so scared and made some plays. It was almost embarrasing to watch from a pro player.

I'd say that Marcedes Lewis or Fred Taylor are the most underrated players for the Jags.

Sean Hern
10-15-2007, 12:10 PM
I am going to throw out a crazy thought. Joey Harrington.

When given time and receivers who catch the ball, he has been MONEY. Unfortunately, he plays for Atlanta where the pass protection is non-existant and the poor route running of the wr's has been well documented. His running game has been absolutely terrible this year and the pass protection has been deplorable.

He played poorly against Minnesota, which was forgettable bc it was the first game of the year. And he also played poorly against a Tennessee D which has been playing lights out. But In 4/5 starts he has passed for over 60% and 200 yds (1 game of 199 but i'll throw that in there). Two games he has had 2 td's but it just hasn't been enough.

He was put in a really hard situation in Miami and Atlanta with only a short offseason to learn the offense and gel with his players amid a whirlwind of controversy (the whole Culpepper knee business and the Vick dog fighting)

Poor Joey has never been in a position to succeed in the NFL. He has only had 1 real number 1 wr receiver in his career and little help from the rest of his team. I don't think he will ever be elite, but damn, put him on a team with real talent and I bet this is the kind of guy who will put his team in position to win a lot of games. He really is not the bust people have made him out to be.

I agree with most of what you are saying. Harrington, when given time and some talent can be effective. He has got the bum end of the stick throughout his career which can explain some of his inconsistency. However, I think his leadership is what always comes into question. Thats a big one for a field general.

Sean Hern
10-15-2007, 12:11 PM
ANDRA Davis is the most OVERRATED player on the Browns...

How so? Not trying to be rude but an explaination would be nice.

Sniper
10-15-2007, 12:21 PM
Nope because if he keeps playing the way he is now his stats will become much worse and Quinn will need to just prove he's not an idiot to win the job. Anderson makes terrible decisions and has been getting away with it because he's got a big arm and is throwing to braylon and kw2

Point is, he's still winning more than expected and putting up good stats. So yes, if he keeps this up, there will be a QB battle. There's no way of predicting whether or not his stats will drop. Keep throwing to Braylon and K2 and he keeps winning and putting up numbers.

Freddy G
10-15-2007, 12:58 PM
How so? Not trying to be rude but an explaination would be nice.

If he could make a tackle within 5 yards of the LOS he would be decent. He is supposed to be our run thumper, but all he does is get thumped by anyone trying to block him. I think he would be a lot better with a DL, but both Leon Williams and D'Qwell have played better this season.

Andra is a good tackle machine and decent leader, but that is it. Slow, can't cover, isn't a playmaker, just lacks "it". He is easily blocked and actually seems out of position more than he should.

I may have been a tad over critical here, but really is just average. With more talent in front of him i think he could be better, but he isn't a key presence by any means. He could be really good for a 4-3 team who's ILB is a tackle box player though.

ImBrotherCain
10-15-2007, 01:16 PM
i say Nick Barnett because he gets no credit even though he hasnt had a bad season yet

And Adrian Wilson... Hes under rated because he could be classified as a top 3 safety if not number 1 overall and no one really knows of him. He is starting to get some love now but still not what he deserves.

fenikz
10-15-2007, 02:25 PM
Ya I was kind of hoping we were past that A Dub being underrated stage but it seems to still be that way, I know a lot of the Steelers fans were laughing at the fact that I said A Dub as at least equal to Polamaluo if not better

no love
10-15-2007, 03:42 PM
I agree with most of what you are saying. Harrington, when given time and some talent can be effective. He has got the bum end of the stick throughout his career which can explain some of his inconsistency. However, I think his leadership is what always comes into question. Thats a big one for a field general.

I definitely can't argue with that. He had teammates questioning his leadership from the beginning in Atlanta.

I think a lot of this stemmed from the criticism he took really early in his career. When he was at Oregon he was a fiery leader who wilted over the years in Detroit.

But he has all of the skill to play this game and I think he is just starting to get it figured out. I think winning breeds confidence and leadership ability, but losing for your entire career makes it really hard to get the confidence of your team.

Moses
10-15-2007, 03:46 PM
I definitely can't argue with that. He had teammates questioning his leadership from the beginning in Atlanta.

I think a lot of this stemmed from the criticism he took really early in his career. When he was at Oregon he was a fiery leader who wilted over the years in Detroit.

But he has all of the skill to play this game and I think he is just starting to get it figured out. I think winning breeds confidence and leadership ability, but losing for your entire career makes it really hard to get the confidence of your team.

Harrington is an extremely frustrating player. I watched him for many years in Detroit and I felt sorry for that franchise. He'd string together an amazing drive, completing all of his passes. Then, he'd make an inexcusably terrible throw to give the ball back to the other team. He just consistently makes decisions that lose you games. I haven't seen much of him in Atlanta yet but his statistics indicate that he has improved. He has the talent, he is just mentally weak.

Ravens1991
10-15-2007, 04:05 PM
for the Ravens it is Kelly Gregg.

Brodeur
10-15-2007, 04:13 PM
I am going to throw out a crazy thought. Joey Harrington.

When given time and receivers who catch the ball, he has been MONEY. Unfortunately, he plays for Atlanta where the pass protection is non-existant and the poor route running of the wr's has been well documented. His running game has been absolutely terrible this year and the pass protection has been deplorable.

He played poorly against Minnesota, which was forgettable bc it was the first game of the year. And he also played poorly against a Tennessee D which has been playing lights out. But In 4/5 starts he has passed for over 60% and 200 yds (1 game of 199 but i'll throw that in there). Two games he has had 2 td's but it just hasn't been enough.

He was put in a really hard situation in Miami and Atlanta with only a short offseason to learn the offense and gel with his players amid a whirlwind of controversy (the whole Culpepper knee business and the Vick dog fighting)

Poor Joey has never been in a position to succeed in the NFL. He has only had 1 real number 1 wr receiver in his career and little help from the rest of his team. I don't think he will ever be elite, but damn, put him on a team with real talent and I bet this is the kind of guy who will put his team in position to win a lot of games. He really is not the bust people have made him out to be.

I've always been a big supporter of Joey but his Detroit days really ruined whatever confidence he had. Millen wanted to built the offense around him in Detroit but he hired two coaches who had a philosophy that was the opposite of Joey's skill set. Not too mention the injuries, the ****** players around him, etc. I just don't see him being more than a decent starter after what the Detroit days did to him.

terribletowel39
10-15-2007, 04:19 PM
Do people even know who Bradie James is outside of Cowboys fans?
yea but if anything he is overrated by the few people that do know about him. he isn't very good, so i don't see how is he underrated if that is what you mean by bringing him up.

bigbluedefense
10-15-2007, 04:20 PM
Sean Taylor went from overrated to now underrated.

He's playing like the 2nd best safety in the game next to Ed Reed, and no one is noticing.

619
10-15-2007, 04:23 PM
Steve Heiden is the best TE no one knows about. Acutually, i am pretty sure he could start for half (if not more) of the teams in the NFL.

Cleveland definitely has the best TE corps that i can think of.

wtf r u smokin...start for half the NFL teams??? more like maybe 3 or 4 if not less

osi+ap=allshallperish
10-15-2007, 04:56 PM
Point is, he's still winning more than expected and putting up good stats. So yes, if he keeps this up, there will be a QB battle. There's no way of predicting whether or not his stats will drop. Keep throwing to Braylon and K2 and he keeps winning and putting up numbers.

Once there's more tape on him he'll become drAstically less useful unless he drastically improves his play.

Geo
10-15-2007, 04:58 PM
Sean Taylor went from overrated to now underrated.

He's playing like the 2nd best safety in the game next to Ed Reed, and no one is noticing.
Is my NFC East write-up still alive on these forums? Because in it, I was all over Sean Taylor finally becoming the ballhawk he could be, thanks to the Redskins ending Williams' abortion of a Tampa 2 defense and drafting stud strong safety Laron Landry, before anyone had a clue.

bigbluedefense
10-15-2007, 05:02 PM
Is my NFC East write-up still alive on these forums? Because in it, I was all over Sean Taylor finally becoming the ballhawk he could be, thanks to the Redskins ending Williams' abortion of a Tampa 2 defense and drafting stud strong safety Laron Landry, before anyone had a clue.

Skimming it quickly, I didn't see any mention of Taylor, but wow, your truths are all right on the button so far. I think so far 9 out of 10 are panning out. Amazing.

EDIT: I was looking at your NFL truths, not your NFC East write up.

Geo
10-15-2007, 05:10 PM
I think it's old and gone, now. I still have it myself, if you want to read it again. My pick of the Eagles to win the division isn't too hot now, although I did think the Redskins would win a wild card berth.

I thought the Giants would come in last in the division then, though I liked the addition of Spags and I really liked Reese's draft. Now, I honestly think the Giants could be the best team in the NFC.

Yes, I said it. Big Blue is playing very good football, and it continues tonight.

Green Bay Scat
10-15-2007, 05:14 PM
i still like James Jones for the Pack, he has GREAT hands and is a good route runner, hes gonna be a Donald Driver, great player no love

bigbluedefense
10-15-2007, 05:14 PM
I think it's old and gone, now. I still have it myself, if you want to read it again. My pick of the Eagles to win the division isn't too hot now, although I did think the Redskins would win a wild card berth.

I thought the Giants would come in last in the division then, though I liked the addition of Spags and I really liked Reese's draft. Now, I honestly think the Giants could be the best team in the NFC.

Yes, I said it. Big Blue is playing very good football, and it continues tonight.

Don't jinx us brother :) If we lose now, Im blaming it on you lol.

osi+ap=allshallperish
10-15-2007, 05:14 PM
We're not playing good football, we're just not as bad as most.

M.O.T.H.
10-15-2007, 05:42 PM
yea but if anything he is overrated by the few people that do know about him. he isn't very good, so i don't see how is he underrated if that is what you mean by bringing him up.

I dont think you have seen Bradie play this season...he has been fantastic.

terribletowel39
10-15-2007, 05:49 PM
I dont think you have seen Bradie play this season...he has been fantastic.
thats all i get. week in and week out. Dallas Cowboys games. no matter what. i live 20 minutes from Texas Stadium. i have seen Bradie play. i promise. Carpenter would be much better with playing time.

M.O.T.H.
10-15-2007, 05:53 PM
thats all i get. week in and week out. Dallas Cowboys games. no matter what. i live 20 minutes from Texas Stadium. i have seen Bradie play. i promise. Carpenter would be much better with playing time.

what? Carpenter has been a joke...he is no where near ready to be playing in our defense. He's a good special teamer, nothing more at this time. He needs a lot of work. Bradie has been playing at a pro-bowl level this season. Typically on here, people are either bashing him or dont know who he is. The man is having an excellent season.

terribletowel39
10-15-2007, 06:00 PM
what? Carpenter has been a joke...he is no where near ready to be playing in our defense. He's a good special teamer, nothing more at this time. He needs a lot of work. Bradie has been playing at a pro-bowl level this season. Typically on here, people are either bashing him or dont know who he is. The man is having an excellent season.
carpenter barely sees the field, you can't call him a joke. Phillips like Bradie for some reason and thats obvious. i just don't see it i guess.

ccB
10-15-2007, 06:14 PM
1 of the best? Theres how many 3-4 Teams?
-Patriots
-Cowboys
-Ravens
-Jets
-Cardinals
-Steelers
-Browns
-Chargers

i would rank him behind: Williams, Wilfork, Hampton. that makes him 4th best NT..thats only better than half :\

i like him though..i wasnt intending to say anything negative but saying 1 of the best when only 1/4th of the league runs it and behind 3 superb players..ehCall me crazy but I'd take Gregg over Wilfork. I think Gregg is on par with Williams and Hampton thus making him underrated. My other most uinderrated Raven would be OG Jason Brown and DE/LB Jarrett Johnson.

terribletowel39
10-15-2007, 06:39 PM
Call me crazy but I'd take Gregg over Wilfork. I think Gregg is on par with Williams and Hampton thus making him underrated. My other most uinderrated Raven would be OG Jason Brown and DE/LB Jarrett Johnson.
i agree and disagree. i would take Gregg over Wilfork as well. i think Gregg does the same if not more with less talent around him. i saw on more than one occasion in the Boys/Pats game where Wilfork was matched up one on one. if he was AS dominant as advertised that wouldn't have been the case. the disagreeing part is minute. while i think he is a great player and very underrated, he isn't on the same level as Williams and Hampton just yet. he is getting there though.

Boston
10-15-2007, 06:59 PM
Atari Bigby, S, for the Packers is a crazy good player.

PoopSandwich
10-15-2007, 07:07 PM
If you had actually watched any Jaguars games, you would know that Dropcutt has done a very good job as a receiver and has done almost nothing as a punt returner.

I'm not basing my opinion on this year, im basing it off of many years of him ruining drives with dropped passes and then getting screwed over because idiots hold on special teams.

Maybe he has improved his concentration this year I dunno... Good for him I guess when he turns on the punt returning he will be amazing for you guys then.

PoopSandwich
10-15-2007, 07:13 PM
wtf r u smokin...start for half the NFL teams??? more like maybe 3 or 4 if not less

Heiden is really good...

619
10-15-2007, 07:16 PM
Heiden is really good...

he is what he is and that is an average TE with some pass catching ability

PoopSandwich
10-15-2007, 07:35 PM
he is what he is and that is an average TE with some pass catching ability

An average tight end with pass catching ability could start on alot of teams.

619
10-15-2007, 07:36 PM
An average tight end with pass catching ability could start on alot of teams.

not half the teams

BigDawg819
10-15-2007, 07:55 PM
If Heiden could start for any other team in the NFL he'd be there and not Cleveland.

255979119
10-15-2007, 08:03 PM
If Heiden could start for any other team in the NFL he'd be there and not Cleveland.

I could name 10...

PoopSandwich
10-15-2007, 08:30 PM
If Heiden could start for any other team in the NFL he'd be there and not Cleveland.

He's a team captain, he likes it here + he can block, has good hands, and isn't necessarily slow.

BigDawg819
10-15-2007, 08:34 PM
He's a team captain, he likes it here + he can block, has good hands, and isn't necessarily slow.

Wippy Doo he's a team captain, what does that mean he gets in the front of the lunch line? And news flash, all TE's can block! Heiden is an adequate TE in this league, no more no less.

255979119
10-15-2007, 08:35 PM
Wippy Doo he's a team captain, what does that mean he gets in the front of the lunch line? And news flash, all TE's can block! Heiden is an adequate TE in this league, no more no less.

Yes. But most receiving TE's suck at it.

Caddy
10-15-2007, 08:38 PM
For the Buc's I am tempted to say Joey Galloway, but recently he has been getting the recognition he deserves. So in saying that, I'll go with Phillip Buchanon. He has been playing great as a #2/#3 corner this year. Jovan Haye also gets plenty of consideration. He leads all DT's in tackles after week 5 (Not sure about after 6) and has 3 sacks.

yourfavestoner
10-15-2007, 09:11 PM
Yes. But most receiving TE's suck at it.

That's because most TEs these days are just big wide receivers who line up next to the tackle. Most of the time they're flexed, split out wide, or lined up in the slot anyways.

PoopSandwich
10-15-2007, 09:43 PM
Wippy Doo he's a team captain, what does that mean he gets in the front of the lunch line? And news flash, all TE's can block! Heiden is an adequate TE in this league, no more no less.

I'm just saying he didn't go anywhere else because he's getting paid, he's in quite a bit especially in run situations and he is a team leader... He doesn't really have a reason to go anywhere else.

BigDawg819
10-15-2007, 09:48 PM
I'm just saying he didn't go anywhere else because he's getting paid, he's in quite a bit especially in run situations and he is a team leader... He doesn't really have a reason to go anywhere else.


No he's in on run situations because K2 hates to block. If Winslow was more of an all around TE instead of a glorified WR Heiden may not even be on the team.

Wootylicous
10-15-2007, 09:50 PM
I don't know if he has been mentionned but Kelly Gregg is underrated.

San Diego Chicken
10-15-2007, 10:00 PM
Does Jared Allen count as underrated? Allen has 6 sacks in 4 games and the Chiefs are 3-1 since he came back from suspension. I know he's not a sleeper, but I think he's one of the top 5 or so defensive players in the AFC.

I really like how the Chiefs have rebuilt their defense. A few years ago, probably the worst overall defense in the NFL. Now they have so many good young 20 something players - Allen, Derrick Johnson, Tamba Hali, Jarrad Page, Bernard Pollard, and the rookies, Tank Tyler, Turk McBride and Tyron Brackenridge. Peterson and Edwards deserve alot of credit for drafting well on the defensive side of the ball. As long as they find a future QB (probably won't be Croyle) the team will be in good shape.

Chucky
10-15-2007, 10:01 PM
For the Buc's I am tempted to say Joey Galloway, but recently he has been getting the recognition he deserves. So in saying that, I'll go with Phillip Buchanon. He has been playing great as a #2/#3 corner this year. Jovan Haye also gets plenty of consideration. He leads all DT's in tackles after week 5 (Not sure about after 6) and has 3 sacks.

Im gonna agree with Jovan Haye, he gets constant penetration in the middle, which is something the bucs have been lacking since the days of sapp( not saying that he is close to as good as sapp), hopefully he can be the answer at UT( which is probably one of the most important positions in the Tampa 2

Windy
10-15-2007, 10:56 PM
Jeff Webb and Justin Tuck.

Thomas Howard has been great. 4 INTs and 2 TDs.

San Diego Chicken
10-15-2007, 10:58 PM
Jeff Webb and Justin Tuck.

Thomas Howard has been great. 4 INTs and 2 TDs.

I was just about to say Howard. Man, is he an incredible LB in coverage. Could be the next Donnie Edwards.

MasterShake
10-15-2007, 11:34 PM
For the 49ers:

Arnaz Battle, WR - Tough as nails, best hands in the league (check the stats!, lowest drop % last year), breaks tackles constantly, great blocking WR.

Good punt returner when he is called upon as well.

He lacks the speed to be elite, but he is a great possession WR.

Dolfan2788
10-16-2007, 12:55 AM
Jeff Webb and Justin Tuck.

Thomas Howard has been great. 4 INTs and 2 TDs.

Howard is also a bit of a liability in the run game as far as I have seen. I've seen him overpursue a bit and relies on his speed a bit too much in the NFL which doesn't work as well as in college. He has fantastic coverage skills though and it isn't hard to see why he ran drills at workouts and the combine for safety as well as linebacker.

He's looking to shape up as a bigger, better version of Cato June who can tackle.

KCJ58
10-16-2007, 12:58 AM
i think Joe Klopfenstein the reciever not the blocker is an underrated TE

no love
10-16-2007, 01:42 AM
Dang Master you give Arnaz waaay too much credit my friend. He has been very inconsistent catching the ball this year and he doesn't seem to have that knack for getting open that you would like in a possession receiver.

Battle is tough as hell, but for all of his broken tackles he doesn't usually get a whole lot of yards from those broken tackles. I think Arnaz is rated just about where he should be. A solid yet unspectacular wr who gives it his all but might be better off as a 3rd or 4th option with the added bonus of the PR duties, which he does not even do anymore.

The only guy who I can really think of on the 49ers offense who is underrated is Moran Norris, he never gets mentioned among the better fb's in the league but was a huge part of Gores success last year. He is very much the Lorenzo Neal or Tony Richardson of this team.

Dam8610
10-16-2007, 02:11 AM
Underrated on the Colts? That's a tough one. The homer in me wants to say Bob Sanders because I feel he is far better than many people give him credit for, but he is at least nationally recognized as a very good player. Is Dallas Clark the same way? If not, it's him. Other than that, maybe Marlin Jackson? I can't really think of anyone that should be recognized as a good player on the Colts and isn't.

Shiver
10-16-2007, 02:23 AM
Underrated on the Falcons:

Michael Boley
Grady Jackson
Roddy White

osi+ap=allshallperish
10-16-2007, 09:09 AM
I agree that Heiden is seriously under-rated. He's an exceptional blocker and a smart receiver, he's not a gamebreaker or a guy who can he your primary weapon in the passing game, but he would at least play a big role for any team in the NFL. He's they new kyle Brady.

osi+ap=allshallperish
10-16-2007, 09:19 AM
Underrated on the Colts? That's a tough one. The homer in me wants to say Bob Sanders because I feel he is far better than many people give him credit for, but he is at least nationally recognized as a very good player. Is Dallas Clark the same way? If not, it's him. Other than that, maybe Marlin Jackson? I can't really think of anyone that should be recognized as a good player on the Colts and isn't.

Clark's athleticism is very under rated, he's a more consistent player than chris cooley as a receiver and is a very hard worker as a blocker. Not trying to rag on cooley but I like Clark more in almost every aspect yet I don't think he's as highly respected by fans/media of course I don't watch tv or read articles that don't have to do with news so maybe he gets more love than I think he does.

I can't wait til I can bring up the big bossman in threads like this in a few years.

P-L
10-16-2007, 10:14 AM
I don't know who is underrated for the Lions. Is Corey Redding still being underrated? It's him, and not Shaun Rogers who is constantly being doubled on nearly every play. His statistics have gone down this year, but Rogers is reaping the benefits. I didn't catch much of the Washington game, but Redding was a force in the first four games and because of that, Rogers went one-on-one a lot and has caused a lot of pressure.

bored of education
10-16-2007, 10:26 AM
Does Jared Allen count as underrated? Allen has 6 sacks in 4 games and the Chiefs are 3-1 since he came back from suspension. I know he's not a sleeper, but I think he's one of the top 5 or so defensive players in the AFC.

I really like how the Chiefs have rebuilt their defense. A few years ago, probably the worst overall defense in the NFL. Now they have so many good young 20 something players - Allen, Derrick Johnson, Tamba Hali, Jarrad Page, Bernard Pollard, and the rookies, Tank Tyler, Turk McBride and Tyron Brackenridge. Peterson and Edwards deserve alot of credit for drafting well on the defensive side of the ball. As long as they find a future QB (probably won't be Croyle) the team will be in good shape.


Yeah 3-4 years ago the KC D was a joke. Now they are on the upswing. Alot of young talented guys. Derrick Johnson, Allen and Pollard are having huge years thus far. Napoleon Harris is actually tackling. Donnie Edwards is instilling the work ethic he has used over the year to be successful into DJ's brain. I'm loving the direction of the defense.

Jakey
10-16-2007, 10:52 AM
On person i thought was underrated is Robert Geathers from the Bengals, but since his solid week one effort he's done nothing to prove that. Last year he looked like a diamond in the rough, but so this far this season he's been a dissapointment. I think on a better defensive team he could be a star, but with the bengals i aint sure. Still, i think he deserves abit of recognition.

MaddHatter
10-16-2007, 10:56 AM
I'd say Amani Toomer is pretty under rated.

I'd also say that outside of a "Cowboys" forum, Terrance Newman is pretty under rated (most people don't think he's a probowler or a Top 10 CB)

J52
10-18-2007, 11:50 AM
On the Dolphins? God.....nobody.

Closest to underrated would be Zach Thomas. Only because people are starting to classify him as the old guy who's best days are behind him.

He's just as good as he has always been.

PoopSandwich
10-18-2007, 12:10 PM
I don't know who is underrated for the Lions. Is Corey Redding still being underrated? It's him, and not Shaun Rogers who is constantly being doubled on nearly every play. His statistics have gone down this year, but Rogers is reaping the benefits. I didn't catch much of the Washington game, but Redding was a force in the first four games and because of that, Rogers went one-on-one a lot and has caused a lot of pressure.

To be honest Roy Williams doesn't get the credit he deserves.

Jakey
10-18-2007, 12:45 PM
^ Props for that, Roy Williams is a beast!

Nitschke-Hawk
10-18-2007, 12:49 PM
^ Props for that, Roy Williams is a beast!

Took the words right out of my mouth after I read the Roy Williams post. The guy can do it all.



Every time I see the Lions and especially against the Packers I think that's the receiver Brett Favre needs.

umphrey
10-18-2007, 01:55 PM
Definitely Kampman for the Packers. Guy is (or at least close to) a top 5 DE in the league and most casual fans (and some posters here) would say KGB is our best DL.

terribletowel39
10-18-2007, 03:05 PM
Larry Foote for the Steelers. He is the most consistent LB we have. and a helluva player. Really deserves more credit than he gets.

TimD
10-18-2007, 03:06 PM
Definitely Kampman for the Packers. Guy is (or at least close to) a top 5 DE in the league and most casual fans (and some posters here) would say KGB is our best DL.

KGB i think he's your 3rd best behind Kampman and Jenkins

BlindSite
10-19-2007, 04:00 AM
Underrated on the Falcons:

Michael Boley
Grady Jackson
Roddy White

If roddy white didn't have hands of stone he'd be a lot less underrated.