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yodabear
10-14-2007, 04:07 PM
So the Rams don't belong here. Good day.

NGSeiler
10-14-2007, 11:03 PM
Yeah, today was a pretty poor showing to say the least. So much for Frerotte giving the Rams the better chance to win because of his familiarity with the system. I think he goes the way of Chandler and is gone after the season. Linehan needs to draft a young guy to groom behind Bulger as a capable back-up, or find a competent veteran.

Offensive line needs some serious attention this offseason. Wouldn't hurt to add some youth and speed at receiver as well.

On defense, we're in serious need of some pass rush help as well as a playmaker at safety.

This team has a solid nucleus of talent when healthy, though. Problem is you're not going to score many points when you're playing your #2 QB, #2 RB, #3 LT, #3 LG, #2 C, #3 RT, one starting WR and one who was #6 to start the season.

PossumBoy9
10-15-2007, 12:06 AM
Linehan needs to draft a young guy to groom behind Bulger as a capable back-up, or find a competent veteran.


While he may not be ready to contribute as a back-up, I want the Rams to draft Dennis Dixon to develop.

I also hope Linehan gets canned.

yodabear
10-15-2007, 07:42 AM
While he may not be ready to contribute as a back-up, I want the Rams to draft Dennis Dixon to develop.

I also hope Linehan gets canned.

I think Linehan is a fine coach. He can't help it 15 of his 22 starters from week 1 are now injured or suspended. Even guys name Bill, Vince, and Tom can't win with that going on. We can't pin it on Linehan. Maybe a little cuz he doesn't have the backups ready. But they have shown the reason why they are backups.

We play in the worst division in all of football, second worst in professional sports next to the NL central, we are coming back and winning this thing at 7-9. Thats right, we are making the playoffs. Season starts now

rockio42
10-15-2007, 08:47 AM
first off, linehan should not get fired, like yodachu said he cant help it that almost all the starters are inured, i mean look at the Baltimore Ravens two years ago when everyone was hurt they went 3-13 and now they are considered a very good team, so i think everyone needs to shut up and start supporting the team and then maybe we win some games

and also, the push rush was great against Baltimore, so i dont think that it is the #1 issue on this team

NGSeiler
10-15-2007, 09:39 PM
I think Linehan is a fine coach. He can't help it 15 of his 22 starters from week 1 are now injured or suspended. Even guys name Bill, Vince, and Tom can't win with that going on. We can't pin it on Linehan. Maybe a little cuz he doesn't have the backups ready. But they have shown the reason why they are backups.

Sounds about right to me. All one has to do is simply look at the names we were playing on offense and tell me how good you think we're going to be...

QB: Gus Frerotte
RB: Brian Leonard
FB: Richard Owens
WR: Torry Holt
WR: Marques Hagans
TE: Randy McMichael
LT: Alex Barron
LG: Claude Terrell
C: Andy McCollum
RG: Richie Incognito
RT: Brandon Gorin

I count four starters on offense that are still taking the field. Four. That looks more like a 2nd-3rd quarter preseason line-up than a team you'd field in the regular season in a tough road game.

Geo
10-16-2007, 05:13 PM
Looks like Marc Bulger is coming back this week, which is great news for the Rams. and my fantasy team

Playing at Qwest Field is tough, but the Seahawks are a bit banged up right now too and not playing their best ball, I think the Rams have a chance to get their first win if they make plays in all three phases of the game. Wilkins can't miss a field goal, the offense is going to have to put points on the board like the Saints did to help their defense out (and help create turnovers), and the defense is going to have to limit the Seahawks offense missing Deion Branch. The phrase of the week should be "positive plays," which includes discipline in not committing penalties. It's tough enough to try to win on the road.

That the Rams finally have their starting cornerbacks again, that's big. It is. Getting guys back and the offensive line starting to gel from a few weeks ago doesn't get much mention, but it's big for the Rams as they try to play better. I think Linehan recently said there's an outside chance Steven Jackson might play, but I'm not anticipating that. Leonard Leap ahoy imo.

Division rivals have great familiarity with each other, hence why we see close games and usually with some high scores, they know how to attack other, and Seattle/St. Louis was a clear example last year and likely this year as well. The offense needs to score enough points to not let certified Rams killer Josh Brown beat them again, else yoda will finally snap and people's lives will be in danger I fear.

yodabear
10-17-2007, 03:04 PM
Looks like Marc Bulger is coming back this week, which is great news for the Rams. and my fantasy team

Playing at Qwest Field is tough, but the Seahawks are a bit banged up right now too and not playing their best ball, I think the Rams have a chance to get their first win if they make plays in all three phases of the game. Wilkins can't miss a field goal, the offense is going to have to put points on the board like the Saints did to help their defense out (and help create turnovers), and the defense is going to have to limit the Seahawks offense missing Deion Branch. The phrase of the week should be "positive plays," which includes discipline in not committing penalties. It's tough enough to try to win on the road.

That the Rams finally have their starting cornerbacks again, that's big. It is. Getting guys back and the offensive line starting to gel from a few weeks ago doesn't get much mention, but it's big for the Rams as they try to play better. I think Linehan recently said there's an outside chance Steven Jackson might play, but I'm not anticipating that. Leonard Leap ahoy imo.

Division rivals have great familiarity with each other, hence why we see close games and usually with some high scores, they know how to attack other, and Seattle/St. Louis was a clear example last year and likely this year as well. The offense needs to score enough points to not let certified Rams killer Josh Brown beat them again, else yoda will finally snap and people's lives will be in danger I fear.

Fo shizzle, I'd grizzle my to nizzle to tizzle some fizzles.

PossumBoy9
10-18-2007, 12:20 AM
Sounds about right to me. All one has to do is simply look at the names we were playing on offense and tell me how good you think we're going to be...

QB: Gus Frerotte
RB: Brian Leonard
FB: Richard Owens
WR: Torry Holt
WR: Marques Hagans
TE: Randy McMichael
LT: Alex Barron
LG: Claude Terrell
C: Andy McCollum
RG: Richie Incognito
RT: Brandon Gorin

I count four starters on offense that are still taking the field. Four. That looks more like a 2nd-3rd quarter preseason line-up than a team you'd field in the regular season in a tough road game.

This sounds like an excuse for future losses. This team started losing from jump....at home, no less.

NGSeiler
10-18-2007, 12:27 AM
This sounds like an excuse for future losses. This team started losing from jump....at home, no less.

And the team had injuries from the jump as well - Pace, Incognito, Bennett, Steussie, Holt, etc.

No one's making excuses, but the situation is what it is. You can't just ignore the injuries because you think they're excuses. They exist, and they play a tremendous role in how competitive your team can be every weekend.

PossumBoy9
10-18-2007, 06:38 PM
And the team had injuries from the jump as well - Pace, Incognito, Bennett, Steussie, Holt, etc.

No one's making excuses, but the situation is what it is. You can't just ignore the injuries because you think they're excuses. They exist, and they play a tremendous role in how competitive your team can be every weekend.

Holt's been playing this whole time.

What losses are you blaming on injuries?

yodabear
10-18-2007, 08:07 PM
Holt's been playing this whole time.

What losses are you blaming on injuries?

How about most of them? Pace was inured when we were ahead by 6 midway through the 3rd quarter, that is where our season turned around. WE HAVE ALEX MOTHER ******* BARRON AT LEFT TACKLE! ALEX MOTHER ******* BARRON IS OUR ONLY HEALTHY STARTER ON THE OL SINCE WEEK 1. NFL games are won in the trenches. On the offensive and defensive lines. And quite frankily, our o-line sucks, our d-line sucks, and we are still coming back and winning this shiz.

NGSeiler
10-18-2007, 11:05 PM
Holt's been playing this whole time.

What losses are you blaming on injuries?

That's the problem, you seem to be focused on trying to find one thing to blame these losses on. Many factors contribute to a loss, and injuries for us right now is probably the biggest factor in our performance every week. The only factor? No. The biggest factor? I would say yes, personally. You don't field an offense consisting of seven back-ups and it not have a major effect on how you play ball.

PossumBoy9
10-19-2007, 01:28 AM
That's the problem, you seem to be focused on trying to find one thing to blame these losses on. Many factors contribute to a loss, and injuries for us right now is probably the biggest factor in our performance every week. The only factor? No. The biggest factor? I would say yes, personally. You don't field an offense consisting of seven back-ups and it not have a major effect on how you play ball.

I'm just getting sick of hearing about nothing but the injuries. Some have been overdramatic when discussing them.

Somehow I'm sure somebody will factor Romberg's injury into the 0-5 start.

This team is 0-6. Can we just not pretend our head coach hasn't done a poor job so far this season. He needs to have figured out way to win a game.

Have the injuries been pretty bad? Yeah.

rockio42
10-19-2007, 08:32 AM
I think part of this thing is the fan support, look at teams like the Seahawks and the Cheifs, its hard to play them when they are at home because the fans get loud and help the team out, we need to show support to this team and then maybe they get something going, frankly im at a point where if the rams leave i woudnt give a **** cause all i ever hear is "the rams suck" no matter is they are 8-8, 6-10, or 10-6, and im tired of people not showing any support for thier home team and ive been hearing stuff like "itd be so cool if the rams went 0-16" i mean hearing that disgusts me, people in this town need to show some support or this team isnt going anywhere fast

PossumBoy9
10-19-2007, 01:34 PM
When the question of "what losses to you blame on injuries?" gets answered like this....

How about most of them?

....it's certainly a joke.

Let's keep it real. No reason to apologize for a anobody like Scott Linehan.

Geo
10-19-2007, 01:42 PM
Some good news for the Rams in recent days, notably Marc Bulger, Torry Holt, Isaac Bruce, and Steven Jackson. Seems like the first three should be able to play fine this Sunday, and S-Jax might be back on the field soon.

yodabear
10-19-2007, 02:21 PM
When the question of "what losses to you blame on injuries?" gets answered like this....



....it's certainly a joke.

Let's keep it real. No reason to apologize for a anobody like Scott Linehan.

99.9% of the **** I say is a joke.

PossumBoy9
10-19-2007, 03:22 PM
99.9% of the **** I say is a joke.

If so, my bad.

yodabear
10-19-2007, 03:57 PM
If so, my bad.

Although, I have to disagree with u in a way. He has been outcoached, he has made some bad decisions this year. However, no coach can win on a regular basis with his QB, RB, and LT all out. I don't care if u don't wanna hear about injuries, but lets face the facts: injuries have been a major reason why we are where we are at. Sure, Linehan could have had his backups more prepared, but as I said: there is a reason the backups are backups. Linehan did wait too long to pull out Bulger, and he waited too long to take over the offense, so he deserves some of the blame, but not all of it.

PossumBoy9
10-19-2007, 05:19 PM
However, no coach can win on a regular basis with his QB, RB, and LT all out.

The QB played in the first 4 games. The RB played in the first 3 games.

nfrillman
10-19-2007, 05:36 PM
The QB played in the first 4 games. The RB played in the first 3 games.

Yes, the quarterback played the first 4 games, when he obviously shouldn't have been playing them. He should have been out after 2 weeks. As atrocious as Frerotte looks, a healthy quarterback gives you a much better chance to when than a quarterback with broken ribs. Have you ever even had bruised ribs, its very painful. Bulger's ribs are/were broken.

holtfan92
10-19-2007, 06:04 PM
Bulger shouldn't have played in week 3 and 4 and Jackson wasn't effective because our line was a mess after the 1st and 2nd week. I'd rather not risk a worse injury for bulger since this season is already over imo.

yodabear
10-19-2007, 06:55 PM
Bulger shouldn't have played in week 3 and 4 and Jackson wasn't effective because our line was a mess after the 1st and 2nd week. I'd rather not risk a worse injury for bulger since this season is already over imo.

Don't lose faith. Season is turning around this week!

dcarey20
10-19-2007, 07:05 PM
i mean look at the Baltimore Ravens two years ago when everyone was hurt they went 3-13 and now they are considered a very good team


close but we were 6-10 that year lol

holtfan92
10-19-2007, 07:33 PM
Don't lose faith. Season is turning around this week!

I'll be optimistic then.. we will go 10-6 and make the playoffs.

NGSeiler
10-19-2007, 11:02 PM
I'm just getting sick of hearing about nothing but the injuries.

Just like I'm getting sick of hearing how it's the coach's fault he can't win with only four starters and one of the most injured offensive lines this team has ever seen.

I'm beginning to wonder how many injuries we have to have before you view them as the leading and in all likelihood insurmountable cause of our troubles.

yodabear
10-19-2007, 11:25 PM
I'll be optimistic then.. we will go 10-6 and make the playoffs.

I'm not even that optimistoc....we are going 7-9 and winning our division.

PossumBoy9
10-20-2007, 11:55 AM
Just like I'm getting sick of hearing how it's the coach's fault he can't win with only four starters and one of the most injured offensive lines this team has ever seen.

I'm beginning to wonder how many injuries we have to have before you view them as the leading and in all likelihood insurmountable cause of our troubles.

Once again, it looks like you're talking of future losses.

Can we clean up the talk on the injuries? It's not like they've played the whole season with only 4 starters on offense.

yodabear
10-20-2007, 11:30 PM
THE RaMS ARE WINNING THIS WEEK. IF WE DON'T, I WILL TAKE OVER THE TEAM BY FORCE AND HIRE MY BOY RIG, AKA NGSEILER AS MY RIGHT HAND MAN, AND WE'D TEAR THE NFL UP. HE WILL TAKE THE DEFENSE, I WILL TAKE THE OFFENSE, AND WE WILL GO 9-7 AND TEAR THIS MOTHER ******* ***** UP U'ALL. U KNOW WHY: RIG AND I OWN ALL OF U AND UR MOTHERS.

yodabear
10-20-2007, 11:35 PM
Once again, it looks like you're talking of future losses.

Can we clean up the talk on the injuries? It's not like they've played the whole season with only 4 starters on offense.

We've played all but 22:25 without a future hall of famer at the second most important position in football. And that 22:25, it looked like we were actually gonna win a game.

NGSeiler
10-20-2007, 11:41 PM
Once again, it looks like you're talking of future losses.

Why do you keep saying this? Do you not understand we were missing seven offensive starters against Baltimore and just about as many against Dallas, and have been struggling with injuries to key positions since before the regular season started?

Can we clean up the talk on the injuries?

Not when it continues to be relevant, which it is.

PossumBoy9
10-21-2007, 12:19 PM
Why do you keep saying this? Do you not understand we were missing seven offensive starters against Baltimore and just about as many against Dallas, and have been struggling with injuries to key positions since before the regular season started?

Before the regular season started? Are you seriously making a big deal about Incognito's injury. That's no excuse.

Not when it continues to be relevant, which it is.

When I talk of cleaning up the injury talk, I want honesty about it. It seems like some want to retroactively put the Week 6 injury report onto Week 1.

NGSeiler
10-21-2007, 12:28 PM
Before the regular season started? Are you seriously making a big deal about Incognito's injury. That's no excuse.

Incognito, Holt was not and has not been @ 100%, Drew Bennett was out w/ injury, Todd Steussie was out. Let's not forget no Fakhir Brown or Claude Wroten due to suspension. And Pace going out after one half.

Despite being a back-up, the magnitude of Todd Steussie's preseason injury is huge. Because now instead of replacing Pace with a guy who started a number of games the season before, you're putting in Adam Goldberg and then eventually switching to Alex Barron, thus creating a whole @ RT.

It seems like some want to retroactively put the Week 6 injury report onto Week 1.

Just like it seems as if some want to pretend injuries and missing players weren't a factor until the last two weeks?

PossumBoy9
10-21-2007, 01:03 PM
Incognito, Holt was not and has not been @ 100%, Drew Bennett was out w/ injury, Todd Steussie was out. Let's not forget no Fakhir Brown or Claude Wroten due to suspension. And Pace going out after one half.

Despite being a back-up, the magnitude of Todd Steussie's preseason injury is huge. Because now instead of replacing Pace with a guy who started a number of games the season before, you're putting in Adam Goldberg and then eventually switching to Alex Barron, thus creating a whole @ RT.

As far as Holt goes, will he ever be 100% again? He's been playing this whole time. Besides, what player is 100%? I don't acknowledge Holt in the excuses.

Obviously, Pace's injury was a big blow and Steussie's injury was unfortunate.

Wroten wasn't suspended until after Week 1.

All teams deal with injury. Pace's injury was significant, but you got to find a way to win some games, at least A GAME.

Did injuries cause Linehan to panic on the spike against SF? You don't think his players know he choked? Who knows how things would have played out had the Rams started 1-1, instead of 0-2?

NGSeiler
10-21-2007, 01:57 PM
Besides, what player is 100%?

Apples and oranges. There's a huge difference between being a little banged up from the regular season and still not being healed from your offseason surgery on an injury that's been lingering for two years.

Wroten wasn't suspended until after Week 1.

I stand corrected, but the fact that he missed four games in a season where he was supposed to have a more prominent role can't be discounted. Same for Fakhir Brown.

Did injuries cause Linehan to panic on the spike against SF?

I had no problems with this call. The thing that I think hurt us wasn't the spike but the poor pass protection on the next play.

Even if you consider this a bad coaching move, let's flip this around. Did Linehan cause Steven Jackson to fumble twice against Carolina? Did he cause Torry Holt and Dante Hall to fumble against San Fran? How many interceptions did Scott Linehan throw against Tampa Bay? How many blown calls did Scott Linehan make as a ref in the Arizona game? How many INTs did he throw against Baltimore?

You don't think his players know he choked?

Judging by the fact that they continue to come out every week and play hard for him, I would think they disagree with that assessment.