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TimD
10-14-2007, 05:40 PM
1. Ohio State
2. South Florida
3. Boston College
4. LSU
5. Oklahoma
6. South Carolina
7. Kentucky
8. Arizona State
9. West Virginia
10. Oregon
11. Virginia Tech
12. California
13. Kansas
14. USC
15. Florida
16. Missouri
17. Auburn
18. Hawaii
19. Virginia
20. Georgia
21. Tennessee
22. Texas
23. Cincinnati
24. Texas Tech
25. Michigan

sweet victory... Michigan is ranked

Turtlepower
10-14-2007, 05:43 PM
1. Ohio State
2. South Florida
3. Boston College
4. LSU
5. Oklahoma
6. South Carolina
7. Kentucky
8. Arizona State
9. West Virginia
10. Oregon
11. Virginia Tech
12. California
13. Kansas
14. USC
15. Florida
16. Missouri
17. Auburn
18. Hawaii
19. Virginia
20. Georgia
21. Tennessee
22. Texas
23. Cincinnati
24. Texas Tech
25. Michigan

ASU is deservedly in the top-10. My point is that everyone will say, "who has ASU played?" Well, my response is "Who have Ohio State and BC played?"

TimD
10-14-2007, 05:45 PM
I'm really surprised Notre Dame is not ranked.

HoopsDemon12
10-14-2007, 05:47 PM
Wow anyone could have predicted south florida would be THIS good at the begninning of the year?

Turtlepower
10-14-2007, 05:49 PM
I'm really surprised Notre Dame is not ranked.

I thought the BCS formula rule 3.5ND stated:

Notre Dame shall be given exception to all forumlas that include wins/losses, strength of schedule, and coaches votes.

adschofield
10-14-2007, 05:57 PM
Interesting, here are strictly the computer rankings:

1.South Florida
2.LSU
3.South Carolina
4.Kentucky
5.Ohio St.
5.Arizona St.
7.Boston College
8.Kansas
8.Virginia Tech
10.West Virginia

619
10-14-2007, 05:59 PM
im happy for USF :D
BCS needs a cinderella team:D

Turtlepower
10-14-2007, 05:59 PM
Interesting, here are strictly the computer rankings:

1.South Florida
2.LSU
3.South Carolina
4.Kentucky
5.Ohio St.
5.Arizona St.
7.Boston College
8.Kansas
8.Virginia Tech
10.West Virginia

The computer rankings two biggest factors are SoS and Wins/losses, so no wonder that teams 2,3,4 are from the SEC.

619
10-14-2007, 06:17 PM
Interesting, here are strictly the computer rankings:

1.South Florida
2.LSU
3.South Carolina
4.Kentucky
5.Ohio St.
5.Arizona St.
7.Boston College
8.Kansas
8.Virginia Tech
10.West Virginia

wow the top ranked team overall isnt even seen in the top 3 of the computer rankings...interesting

Xiomera
10-14-2007, 07:55 PM
Can this be the end of the BCS? We can only hope . . .

KCJ58
10-14-2007, 07:58 PM
Arizona State #8 ill take it :)

BuckNaked
10-14-2007, 07:58 PM
Can this be the end of the BCS? We can only hope . . .

Sadly, it will not be.

yodabear
10-14-2007, 08:00 PM
I am happy South Florida is getting love. No one seems to be giving them any.

bearsfan_51
10-14-2007, 08:02 PM
Can this be the end of the BCS? We can only hope . . .
You kiddin' me? The BCS is the only thing that is even marginally objective. It's the polls that need to be gotten rid of.

wiscbadgerfootball
10-14-2007, 08:05 PM
for some reason I really like USF.. I hope they win the BCS

SeanTaylorRIP
10-14-2007, 08:07 PM
Nice to see UVA up there at 19.

vatech=accdomination
10-14-2007, 08:09 PM
i like the strictly computer rankings.

fenikz
10-14-2007, 08:16 PM
The CPU rankings are much better than the polls I see no reason why USC or Cal should be ahead of ASU. ASU beat both of the teams that those 2 lost to.

ASU 43 - Stanford 3
ASU 44 - Oregon St 32

TigerBait45
10-14-2007, 11:03 PM
THe human polls need to be scrapped. The only one that has any credibility is the computer ranking and thats because theres no human factor.

Iamcanadian
10-14-2007, 11:37 PM
The computer rankings two biggest factors are SoS and Wins/losses, so no wonder that teams 2,3,4 are from the SEC.


I cannot see where you are coming from. The only real weakness on Ohio St. is their QB who simply lacks experience. The rest of their team is loaded. I would agree that their schedule is weak but their team necessarily isn't.
Oklahoma has an inexperienced QB, Florida is a totally inexperienced team, LSU is weak at QB, South Carolina is nothing special on offense, in fact a lot of schools seem to be inexperienced at QB.
I do agree that it doesn't hurt to play in a weak conference or have a weak schedule, it certainly helps your chances to get to the NC game. However that is how the BCS works and it will continue to screw a lot of teams as it has in the past.
The Big 12 has been a pretty weak conference for quite a while and it certainly helped Oklahoma and Texas get to the NC game. All the garbage about weak OOCS's is ridiculous, 98% of Div 1 college football teams play an extremely weak OOCS using those games like exhibition games to prepare their teams for conference play. It is actually quite rare to see a top school play a tough OOCS. Outside of Bowl games, it is really impossible to tell who the top conferences are and which teams are really deserving of a top billing.
Nobody knows how strong Ohio St. is or how weak they are. The SEC who everybody says is the best conference, has really only played 3 strong out of conference games and lost 2 of them and only beat a struggling Virginia Tech team which is just recently started to come around. Tennessee lost badly to Cal and South Florida bear Auburn. So really how good are the SEC teams??? Oklahoma beat Miami (Fla), big deal. Who really knows how good they are or how strong???
Without a playoff system, nobody can ever know who the true NC's are. Did Auburn when they went 13-0 deserve a shot at USC a few years ago??? Could they have beat USC, again who knows, NOBODY.
The BCS NC game is and has always been a joke but that is simply how the NCAA decides their champion and I doubt it ever changes because the whole NCAA college structure depends on the Bowl system to financially function and they are never going to rock the boat that feeds them. So complaining about Ohio St. means absolutely nothing in the scheme of things. If they go undefeated they are in, if they don't they are probably out. The same for BC, Soth Florida etc. etc.

jballa838
10-15-2007, 12:12 AM
i put usf number 3 in my top 25 but i can really see them and the SEC champ in the championship game.

VoteLynnSwan
10-15-2007, 12:17 AM
i put usf number 3 in my top 25 but i can really see them and the SEX champ in the championship game.

SEX champ? i wonder how they're going to determine the winner of that...

Turtlepower
10-15-2007, 12:47 AM
THe human polls need to be scrapped. The only one that has any credibility is the computer ranking and thats because theres no human factor.

Because Nebraska should have been in the NC game in 2002.

Iamcanadian
10-15-2007, 09:31 AM
THe human polls need to be scrapped. The only one that has any credibility is the computer ranking and thats because theres no human factor.

Then we might as well anoint USF the champion as the computers clearly indicate they are superior.

jballa838
10-15-2007, 09:58 AM
SEX champ? i wonder how they're going to determine the winner of that...
typo. i meant SEC. Xand C are right next to each other.

D-Unit
10-15-2007, 01:54 PM
Hawaii at 18 is right where they need to be. BCS here we come!

RyanLeaf#1
10-15-2007, 01:59 PM
Hawaii at 18 is right where they need to be. BCS here we come!

Its bad when a team with 2 loses is in front of them.

Turtlepower
10-15-2007, 02:01 PM
The funny thing that people don't realize is that with Notre Dame not in the mix this year, that opens up another spot for a team.

RyanLeaf#1
10-15-2007, 02:07 PM
The funny thing that people don't realize is that with Notre Dame not in the mix this year, that opens up another spot for a team.

Notre Dame earns an automatic berth if it is in the top eight of the final BCS Standings, non-BCS schools can earn bids if they are ranked in the top 12 of the final BCS Standings or ranked ahead of a BCS conference champ. So as of right now no non BCS team is in.

Turtlepower
10-15-2007, 02:09 PM
Notre Dame earns an automatic berth if it is in the top eight of the final BCS Standings, non-BCS schools can earn bids if they are ranked in the top 12 of the final BCS Standings or ranked ahead of a BCS conference champ. So as of right now no non BCS team is in.

There could realistically be 3 teams from a conference (SEC or PAC-10) who have a shot at making a BCS game.

RyanLeaf#1
10-15-2007, 02:13 PM
There could realistically be 3 teams from a conference (SEC or PAC-10) who have a shot at making a BCS game.

Well yea there could be but I dont see that happening at all this year.

Turtlepower
10-15-2007, 02:15 PM
Well yea there could be but I dont see that happening at all this year.

My breakdown of # of BCS schools by conference:

ACC: 1
Big East: 1
Big 10: 1
Big 12: 2
SEC: 3
PAC-10: 2

BrownsTown
10-15-2007, 02:34 PM
Notre Dame earns an automatic berth if it is in the top eight of the final BCS Standings, non-BCS schools can earn bids if they are ranked in the top 12 of the final BCS Standings or ranked ahead of a BCS conference champ. So as of right now no non BCS team is in.

Actually, non-BCs conference teams need to be ranked top 14, OR top 16 and ahead of a BCS conference champ. Just clearing this up, it's come up before.

kwilk103
10-15-2007, 02:42 PM
i thought a conference was only allowed 2 teams

BrownsTown
10-15-2007, 02:44 PM
i thought a conference was only allowed 2 teams

They are. I remember Wisconsin got shafted last year.

Turtlepower
10-15-2007, 02:44 PM
They are. I remember Wisconsin got shafted last year.

Is it really written in stone or is it just one of those unwritten rules?

kwilk103
10-15-2007, 02:51 PM
Is it really written in stone or is it just one of those unwritten rules?

As in the current BCS arrangement, no more than two teams from the same conference may play in the BCS bowls in any particular year.

http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/bcs_explained.html

duckseason
10-15-2007, 02:52 PM
They are. I remember Wisconsin got shafted last year.

Yeah, because they were so deserving. What with all those impressive victories and all...


What's sad is that teams like that may very well be among the elite, but we'll never know because they never gave themselves the opportunity to prove it. Personally, I wasn't very impressed with them at all last season. But I only watched them a few times. Top 25, yes. But elite? Not in my opinion.

diabsoule
10-15-2007, 02:54 PM
Is it really written in stone or is it just one of those unwritten rules?

I think it's one of those in-stone rules. Wisconsin getting shafted last year was a joke as they stomped all over Arkansas, which came in second in the SEC.

Something needs to happen in college football. The parity is getting better but if you take a conference like the SEC, ACC, or Big Twelve the competition is much more intense due to the fact that if you lose one game it hurts your chances of making it into the conference championship game. I think the Big East, Big Ten, and Pac-10 all need to have conference championships. It will only make the parity that much better.

soybean
10-15-2007, 02:57 PM
Oregon got shafter in 2005 in favor of Notre Dame for the fiesta bowl.

duckseason
10-15-2007, 03:04 PM
I think it's one of those in-stone rules. Wisconsin getting shafted last year was a joke as they stomped all over Arkansas, which came in second in the SEC.
Huh? The final score was 17-14. Not only that, but Wisconsin was held to a feeble 201 total yards while giving up 368. Wisconsin rushed for an impressive -5 yards, while Arkansas stomped all over them for 232 on the ground. Stocco completed just 41% of his passes while throwing 2 ints. The key stat? Arkansas was penalized 12 times for 123 yards while the Badgers were docked 35 yards on 4 penalties. In my opinion, Arkansas was clearly the superior team. They just had a rusty day in key areas, thereby beating themselves. Wisconsin was completely shut down for the game's entirety. Did you even watch it?

duckseason
10-15-2007, 03:09 PM
Oregon got shafter in 2005 in favor of Notre Dame for the fiesta bowl.

The snub we received in 2001 was much worse though. Nebraska was the most undeserving championship participant of all time. While we went on to more than prove ourselves against the very same team that had previously smashed Nebraska in the Big12 championship game. But I agree, '05 was complete bs as well.

P-L
10-15-2007, 03:41 PM
wow the top ranked team overall isnt even seen in the top 3 of the computer rankings...interesting
Ohio State hasn't played anybody so far. If they make it through Penn State, Wisconsin, and Michigan they'll easily be the #1 team in the computer polls.

soybean
10-15-2007, 04:43 PM
i have a question.

why did south carolina move up after barely beating UNC and USC move down for barely beating UofA?

mqtirishfan
10-15-2007, 05:01 PM
i have a question.

why did south carolina move up after barely beating UNC and USC move down for barely beating UofA?

This is the first BCS ranking. What on Earth are you talking about?

Crvena Ptica
10-15-2007, 05:05 PM
just started watching NCAA football this fall. Let's say that ASU wins every game till the end of reg.season. In that case, do they have any chance of playing in BCS game?

soybean
10-15-2007, 05:06 PM
wrong thread.

BrownsTown
10-15-2007, 05:07 PM
just started watching NCAA football this fall. Let's say that ASU wins every game till the end of reg.season. In that case, do they have any chance of playing in BCS game?

If ASU wins out, they'd win the PAC-10 and have a 100% chance of playing in a BCS Bowl. They'd have a good chance of being in the national championship.

duckseason
10-15-2007, 05:08 PM
just started watching NCAA football this fall. Let's say that ASU wins every game till the end of reg.season. In that case, do they have any chance of playing in BCS game?

If ASU goes undefeated they will play for the title. If you mean they win every game until they play Arizona, and then they lose to them, they'll play in a BCS game.

Crvena Ptica
10-15-2007, 05:12 PM
If ASU wins out, they'd win the PAC-10 and have a 100% chance of playing in a BCS Bowl. They'd have a good chance of being in the national championship.

thanks for explanation.

fenikz
10-15-2007, 05:17 PM
ASU is the only team in a Major(MAJOR) conference that is still undefeated, but they have their 3 hardest games coming up and of course when the play U of A anything can happen

BrownsTown
10-15-2007, 05:18 PM
ASU is the only team in a Major(MAJOR) conference that is still undefeated, but they have their 3 hardest games coming up and of course when the play U of A anything can happen

The Big 10 isn't major? They're not that bad, and the Pac 10 isn't exactly amazing.

soybean
10-15-2007, 05:39 PM
i acutally think the number 1 team might be oklahoma. they're solid on all aspects of the game.

diabsoule
10-15-2007, 05:52 PM
Huh? The final score was 17-14. Not only that, but Wisconsin was held to a feeble 201 total yards while giving up 368. Wisconsin rushed for an impressive -5 yards, while Arkansas stomped all over them for 232 on the ground. Stocco completed just 41% of his passes while throwing 2 ints. The key stat? Arkansas was penalized 12 times for 123 yards while the Badgers were docked 35 yards on 4 penalties. In my opinion, Arkansas was clearly the superior team. They just had a rusty day in key areas, thereby beating themselves. Wisconsin was completely shut down for the game's entirety. Did you even watch it?

I watched most of it but I'm sorry if I can't remember all of the intimate details of a game played almost a year ago.

diabsoule
10-15-2007, 05:53 PM
The Big 10 isn't major? They're not that bad, and the Pac 10 isn't exactly amazing.

The Big 10 is in a down year. The Pac-10 is better this year than the Big 10 in my opinion.

duckseason
10-15-2007, 05:54 PM
i acutally think the number 1 team might be oklahoma. they're solid on all aspects of the game.

I don't think there's a single team that separates themselves from the pack. These rankings make us point to somebody, but the truth is that parity has arrived in college football. It's time for a playoff. I don't think there is a true #1 at this point. I could make a case for several teams, and knock something about them at the same time.

duckseason
10-15-2007, 05:56 PM
I watched most of it but I'm sorry if I can't remember all of the intimate details of a game played almost a year ago.

Yeah I don't blame you for that. It's just that you stated emphatically that Wisconsin stomped all over them. If you don't remember, then maybe just point out that they won the game and save the exaggeration. Saying they smashed the Razorbacks would lead one to believe that you vividly remembered the game, and that you really believed that's what happened.

soybean
10-15-2007, 05:58 PM
From an ASU standpoint the thing that would scare me is the way they seem to let teams jump to an early lead and then they fight for and take the lead towards the end of the game.

I just wonder how many times that'll be allowed before it catches up with them.

fenikz
10-15-2007, 06:03 PM
haha some how I completely forgot about OU, that seems to happen with a lot of people, they just aren't flashy and they don't have the speed to compete with most teams

duckseason
10-15-2007, 06:06 PM
From an ASU standpoint the thing that would scare me is the way they seem to let teams jump to an early lead and then they fight for and take the lead towards the end of the game.

I just wonder how many times that'll be allowed before it catches up with them.

Yeah I'll be surprised (and impressed) to see ASU win 3 of the next 5. They're undefeated against mediocre competition. I fully expect Cal to beat them this week, and see them finish 4th (or tied for 3rd) in the Pac-10. They're a good team in a very good conference.

diabsoule
10-15-2007, 06:11 PM
Yeah I don't blame you for that. It's just that you stated emphatically that Wisconsin stomped all over them. If you don't remember, then maybe just point out that they won the game and save the exaggeration. Saying they smashed the Razorbacks would lead one to believe that you vividly remembered the game, and that you really believed that's what happened.

From what I remember I don't think the score reflected how much it seemed that Wisconsin got the better of Arkansas.

duckseason
10-15-2007, 06:13 PM
From what I remember I don't think the score reflected how much it seemed that Wisconsin got the better of Arkansas.

Hmm that's odd. Just check the box score. Arkansas punched them in the mouth while shooting themselves in the foot.

Iamcanadian
10-15-2007, 06:35 PM
Hmm that's odd. Just check the box score. Arkansas punched them in the mouth while shooting themselves in the foot.

Or maybe they shot themselves in the foot because they weren't really a very good football team to begin with which begs the question 'How good is the SEC???'

Here's the Bowl records for the last few years, looks like the SEC isn't quite the league everybody thinks it is:

2006
Big East 5-0
SEC 6-3
ACC 4-4
Pac-10 3-3
Big 12 3-5
Big 10- 2-5


2005:
ACC 5-3
Big 12 5-3
Pac-10 3-2
SEC 3-3
C-USA 3-3
MWC 2-2
MAC 1-1
Big Ten 3-4
Big East 1-3

2004:
MWC 3-2
C-USA 3-2
Pac-10 3-2
ACC 3-3
Big Ten 3-3
SEC 3-3
WAC 2-2
Big 12 3-4
Big East 2-3
MAC 2-3

They had one good Bowl season and everybody thinks they dominate college football. Talk about a hype machine which has nothing to back it up except 1 season.

vatech=accdomination
10-15-2007, 06:53 PM
dammit, i hope Cal doesnt beat ASU, they will shoot back up the rankings.

bustabinary
10-15-2007, 07:11 PM
2006
Big East 5-0While I agree with what you said about the SEC not being as good as everyone thinks, last year the Big East played the easiest opponents (Louisville had wake forest, wvu had ga tech)

diabsoule
10-15-2007, 08:18 PM
Look at who the SEC faces in its bowl games.

Iamcanadian
10-16-2007, 06:44 AM
Look at who the SEC faces in its bowl games.

If they are so good than why does it matter???

Iamcanadian
10-16-2007, 06:47 AM
While I agree with what you said about the SEC not being as good as everyone thinks, last year the Big East played the easiest opponents (Louisville had wake forest, wvu had ga tech)

So your saying that the Big East is a far better conference than the ACC since Wake Forest was their champion and Georgia Tech was one of their better teams.

Iamcanadian
10-16-2007, 06:53 AM
I don't think there's a single team that separates themselves from the pack. These rankings make us point to somebody, but the truth is that parity has arrived in college football. It's time for a playoff. I don't think there is a true #1 at this point. I could make a case for several teams, and knock something about them at the same time.

I don't agree that parity has arrived. This is a very unusual season where most of the top 10 programs simply are very inexperienced especially at QB. The teams with experienced QB's, USF and Boston College are seriously contending while everybody questions Ohio St because they don't have much experience at QB.

RockJock07
10-18-2007, 12:30 PM
i acutally think the number 1 team might be oklahoma. they're solid on all aspects of the game.

I could see OU going all the way. I think South Fla is a great story but they are probably gonna lose here before the season is over. If Ohio State wins out, one could say that they have a good shot to getting into the NC, but then what if LSU has only one loss. It's still so early, But you would have to say that Florida is out of the picture unless things fall perfectly for them. It's a mess right now, but even in a couple of weeks, the picture will become more clear.

All i can say is that this has been the best season to watch college football in a while, and i'm only 22 plus it's not even bowl season yet which is my favorite time of year.

bustabinary
10-18-2007, 02:58 PM
So your saying that the Big East is a far better conference than the ACC since Wake Forest was their champion and Georgia Tech was one of their better teams.Haha yeah pretty much :P
Just saying it only compares us with only one other conference, not the entire nation

duckseason
10-18-2007, 03:18 PM
I don't agree that parity has arrived. This is a very unusual season where most of the top 10 programs simply are very inexperienced especially at QB. The teams with experienced QB's, USF and Boston College are seriously contending while everybody questions Ohio St because they don't have much experience at QB.

By parity, I don't mean that all are equal. There are still the obvious powerhouses who top the recruiting rankings every year. What I'm saying is that guaranteed victories are harder to come by now. The gap has tightened considerably. There are just too many athletes, and too many good coaches out there. You're correct that experience is a big factor in this game, especially at QB. But look at the upsets that have occurred this year. Which QB was more experienced in the SC-Stanford game? What about Washington coming so close to beating SC with a redshirt freshman at the helm? Is Henne inexperienced? Brandon Cox? South Florida's victory over Auburn was legitimate. It's not that Auburn stinks, it's that South Florida has arrived. Kentucky has arrived. There are many teams competing with traditional powerhouses who never have before. There is a shift going on right now in college football. This shift is constant, but never has it moved as quickly as it is right now. Take a look at the top 25 and you'll see just as many experienced QB's as you have in years past. Varying levels of experience, and that's how it's always been. And then look at some of the teams that have dropped out of the top 25, and it's the same thing. Varying levels of experience at QB. There's more to it than that.

BrownsTown
10-18-2007, 06:41 PM
I don't agree that parity has arrived. This is a very unusual season where most of the top 10 programs simply are very inexperienced especially at QB. The teams with experienced QB's, USF and Boston College are seriously contending while everybody questions Ohio St because they don't have much experience at QB.

I think Boeckman gets a bad rap. He's had bad games, but he's getting better every game and he's on pace to tie the single season TD mark for OSU. And with that D and when Beanie is on, he doesn't need to be the best QB in the nation. Of course the excessive amount of deep balls pad his stats a bit.

504 to ATL
10-19-2007, 02:37 AM
I want to see LSU vs OU. The two most dangerous/explosive teams, also with the most potential.

Wasnt sold on USF, sloppy football team, has ugly victories.

Still not sold on OSU, and for sure not sold on BC, neither have played good/solid competition.

Iamcanadian
10-21-2007, 06:11 AM
By parity, I don't mean that all are equal. There are still the obvious powerhouses who top the recruiting rankings every year. What I'm saying is that guaranteed victories are harder to come by now. The gap has tightened considerably. There are just too many athletes, and too many good coaches out there. You're correct that experience is a big factor in this game, especially at QB. But look at the upsets that have occurred this year. Which QB was more experienced in the SC-Stanford game? What about Washington coming so close to beating SC with a redshirt freshman at the helm? Is Henne inexperienced? Brandon Cox? South Florida's victory over Auburn was legitimate. It's not that Auburn stinks, it's that South Florida has arrived. Kentucky has arrived. There are many teams competing with traditional powerhouses who never have before. There is a shift going on right now in college football. This shift is constant, but never has it moved as quickly as it is right now. Take a look at the top 25 and you'll see just as many experienced QB's as you have in years past. Varying levels of experience, and that's how it's always been. And then look at some of the teams that have dropped out of the top 25, and it's the same thing. Varying levels of experience at QB. There's more to it than that.

I agree that the gap is narrowing but with the collapse of Booty and Henne, the teams expected to be near the top fell. Cox was never great. If Booty could have even matched last year's production, USC would be #1 instead he has been replaced by Sanchez, otherwise if USC was #1, we probably wouldn't be questioning this season quite as much.

Iamcanadian
10-21-2007, 06:22 AM
I think Boeckman gets a bad rap. He's had bad games, but he's getting better every game and he's on pace to tie the single season TD mark for OSU. And with that D and when Beanie is on, he doesn't need to be the best QB in the nation. Of course the excessive amount of deep balls pad his stats a bit.

I think Boeckman is a fine QB but he's very inexperienced and inexperienced QB have some up and down games and rarely win NC's. That is why Ohio St. is so suspect. Next year if Ohio St doesn't lose too many juniors to the draft, they will be one of the favourites to win the NC with 21 returning starters.
The irony is, if Ohio St. makes it to the NC game, they may be unbeatable as they will be extremely fired up after the embarrasment of last year's game. I wouldn't want to be the team playing them. It is the reverse of last year when Florida had a huge emotional edge in the game. All the Florida players kept hearing was they didn't belong on the same field as Ohio St. They only got in because the country didn't want to see a rematch, while the Ohio St. players were hearing the game would be a cakewalk since Florida didn't really earn their appearance. Believe me, emotion will cancel talent almost everytime.